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Ceyna Lakise	Posted - 2008.02.06 01:59:00 - [1] Because apparently in o.o that's pretty much what everyone uses. Machs, vagas, ishtars, cerberus, and you can't even bother chasing them unless your the same fitting or a inty. So yeah, they give up a lot on the tank to do it, but if you can't catch them what's the point? 90% your not gonna always have the perfect gang setup or ship around that can long range web the buggers. Honestly, just throw out nanos and take it back to that whole skill thing everyone is talking about...
xHalcyonx Amarr Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:09:00 - [2] The sooner you accept the following fact the sooner you can get over it: Speed is a viable tank. Period. That being said, you can invest in 13km and 15km webbers and overload them to catch the enemy. Heavy neutralizers. Insta-capdeath to anything save the Mach. Bring a Minmatar recon pilot friend with you roaming. Dead anything nano. Stop whining, it's getting to the point where I don't even bother reading the idiotic posts in EvE-O forums. SHC is much more productive. ------------------- ნỊs uʍop əpỊsdn Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Hemroid Diddller Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Ceyna Lakise Because apparently in o.o that's pretty much what everyone uses. Machs, vagas, ishtars, cerberus, and you can't even bother chasing them unless your the same fitting or a inty. So yeah, they give up a lot on the tank to do it, but if you can't catch them what's the point? 90% your not gonna always have the perfect gang setup or ship around that can long range web the buggers. Honestly, just throw out nanos and take it back to that whole skill thing everyone is talking about... Wow honestly. I love how poepl without even tryin to think like a normal human istantly decide instead that w/e is bothering is overpowered and needs to be nerfed/removed. The person above me posted a few suggestions. Anither one would be to delete your character because your that bad at using common sense and whine too much
Ekuwy Oizoa Anthrax Foundation	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:15:00 - [4] Originally by: Ceyna Lakise Because apparently in o.o that's pretty much what everyone uses. Machs Erm. W T F
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Organized Combat Consortium Fang Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:19:00 - [5] Originally by: xHalcyonx The sooner you accept the following fact the sooner you can get over it: Speed is a viable tank. Period. That being said, you can invest in 13km and 15km webbers and overload them to catch the enemy. Heavy neutralizers. Insta-capdeath to anything save the Mach. Bring a Minmatar recon pilot friend with you roaming. Dead anything nano. Stop whining, it's getting to the point where I don't even bother reading the idiotic posts in EvE-O forums. SHC is much more productive. You forgot "omg nano ships have no dps though!". God I hate people like you.
heheheh Red.	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:19:00 - [6] Give me one good reason why a specialist speed ship should be able to get caught by every other ship.
Hemroid Diddller Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Originally by: xHalcyonx The sooner you accept the following fact the sooner you can get over it: Speed is a viable tank. Period. That being said, you can invest in 13km and 15km webbers and overload them to catch the enemy. Heavy neutralizers. Insta-capdeath to anything save the Mach. Bring a Minmatar recon pilot friend with you roaming. Dead anything nano. Stop whining, it's getting to the point where I don't even bother reading the idiotic posts in EvE-O forums. SHC is much more productive. You forgot "omg nano ships have no dps though!". God I hate people like you. Just because your not good at flying/fitting nano ships are arent smart enough to think outside the box to catch/destroy them doesnt mean you get to be angry at the people who enjoy using them.
xHalcyonx Amarr Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:23:00 - [8] Edited by: xHalcyonx on 06/02/2008 02:24:25 Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Originally by: xHalcyonx The sooner you accept the following fact the sooner you can get over it: Speed is a viable tank. Period. That being said, you can invest in 13km and 15km webbers and overload them to catch the enemy. Heavy neutralizers. Insta-capdeath to anything save the Mach. Bring a Minmatar recon pilot friend with you roaming. Dead anything nano. Stop whining, it's getting to the point where I don't even bother reading the idiotic posts in EvE-O forums. SHC is much more productive. You forgot "omg nano ships have no dps though!". God I hate people like you. Depends on the ship, also explain why you hate people like me. I used to fly nano, got bored of it, now I have a Huginn(nano), Rapier(nano), Zealot(gank), Sac(tank), and soon to be Absolution and Sleipnir (Both tanked). The last time I took my Huginn out was like 1.5 months ago. Rapier I use for gate running. It is _very_ easy to kill a nano ship. Why use a sledge(nerf)hammer when a scalpel(friends/counters) does the job just fine? ------------------- ნỊs uʍop əpỊsdn Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Eclip SUBLIME L.L.C.	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:24:00 - [9] Edited by: Eclip on 06/02/2008 02:28:28 Its not that a single nanoed ship ie ishtar, cerb, sac, zealot or vaga is overpowered. Yes they are viable speed fits and good at it. It becomes a problem when there are 10 of them. Huginn/Rapier pilots normally arnt scred of a single or even 2 speed fit ships but 10 or so scares then and they become insta primary and no amount of shieled repping can help you when 2500dps comes at you from 10 nano HACS and thats being conservative its more then this in reality. How does a nanotar have o DPS?? if ur in anythig smaller then a BS by the time u target and kill his drones ur either popped or on ur way. SO if ur counter is bring a huginn or "think outside the box" then that doesnt really fix anything since a minni recon is dead as soon as it decloaks. The best outcome is you pop all their drones and they get all huffy that you arn't trying to kill them and run away. Unless you got 10 huginns plus some damage then you aint gonna kill them in which case they smack about blobs and leave like little girls. IF YOU COME FOR A FIGHT THEN FIGHT DONT RUN LIKE GIRLS. That just makes you a gankbear. -------------------------------------------------- It is not what u are underneath, but what you do that defines you
xHalcyonx Amarr Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Eclip Its not that a single nanoed ship ie ishtar, cerb, sac, zealot or vaga is speed fit. and by yes they are viable speed fits. It becomes a problem when there are 10 of them. uginn pilots normally arnt scred of a single or even 2 speed fit ships but 10 or so scares then and they become insta primary and no amount of shieled repping can help you when 2500dps comes at you from 10 nano HACS and thats being conservative its more then this in reality. SO if ur counter is bring a huginn or shut up then that doesnt really fix anything since its dead as soon as it decloaks. The best outcome is you pop all their drones and they get all huffy that you arnt trying to kill them and run away. The speeds some speed HACS are reaching speeds intys cannot. Unless you got 10 huginns plus some damage then you aint gonna kill them in which case they smack about blobs and leave like little girls. IF YOU COME FOR A FIGHT THEN FIGHT DONT RUN LIKE GIRLS. That makes you a gankbear Really, nano ships are okay. Snakes are NOT okay. ------------------- ნỊs uʍop əpỊsdn Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!

Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:29:00 - [11] Edited by: Wet Ferret on 06/02/2008 02:30:34 Originally by: xHalcyonx It is _very_ easy to kill a nano ship. Why use a sledge(nerf)hammer when a scalpel(friends/counters) does the job just fine? Because things that allow you to escape easily at any time while still being able to fight (like old WCSs) are unbalanced? It's not rocket science. (warp stabbed ships were even easier to counter than nanoships)
Eclip SUBLIME L.L.C.	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:31:00 - [12] Originally by: xHalcyonx Originally by: Eclip Its not that a single nanoed ship ie ishtar, cerb, sac, zealot or vaga is speed fit. and by yes they are viable speed fits. It becomes a problem when there are 10 of them. uginn pilots normally arnt scred of a single or even 2 speed fit ships but 10 or so scares then and they become insta primary and no amount of shieled repping can help you when 2500dps comes at you from 10 nano HACS and thats being conservative its more then this in reality. SO if ur counter is bring a huginn or shut up then that doesnt really fix anything since its dead as soon as it decloaks. The best outcome is you pop all their drones and they get all huffy that you arnt trying to kill them and run away. The speeds some speed HACS are reaching speeds intys cannot. Unless you got 10 huginns plus some damage then you aint gonna kill them in which case they smack about blobs and leave like little girls. IF YOU COME FOR A FIGHT THEN FIGHT DONT RUN LIKE GIRLS. That makes you a gankbear Really, nano ships are okay. Snakes are NOT okay. Thats very true but at the same time CCP would be hessitant to remove or alter snakes since they are so expensive and alot of ppl own then and they would get the "if you do we all quit" threat. I dont know a solution but packs of them are neigh invincible and ahve good damage as well. Since killing 30-50 drones is hard to do b4 a BS pops even with smartbombs from that amount of damage. -------------------------------------------------- It is not what u are underneath, but what you do that defines you
Maldad Asesino	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Eclip Edited by: Eclip on 06/02/2008 02:28:28 Its not that a single nanoed ship ie ishtar, cerb, sac, zealot or vaga is overpowered. Yes they are viable speed fits and good at it. It becomes a problem when there are 10 of them. Huginn/Rapier pilots normally arnt scred of a single or even 2 speed fit ships but 10 or so scares then and they become insta primary and no amount of shieled repping can help you when 2500dps comes at you from 10 nano HACS and thats being conservative its more then this in reality. How does a nanotar have o DPS?? if ur in anythig smaller then a BS by the time u target and kill his drones ur either popped or on ur way. SO if ur counter is bring a huginn or "think outside the box" then that doesnt really fix anything since a minni recon is dead as soon as it decloaks. The best outcome is you pop all their drones and they get all huffy that you arn't trying to kill them and run away. Unless you got 10 huginns plus some damage then you aint gonna kill them in which case they smack about blobs and leave like little girls. IF YOU COME FOR A FIGHT THEN FIGHT DONT RUN LIKE GIRLS. That just makes you a gankbear. I've heard remote reppers work pretty good if you have an essential ship in gang which needs to be protected.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Eclip Unless you got 10 huginns plus some damage then you aint gonna kill them in which case they smack about blobs and leave like little girls. IF YOU COME FOR A FIGHT THEN FIGHT DONT RUN LIKE GIRLS. That just makes you a gankbear. Guys, we brought the perfect counter to your ships. Come on, guys. Why don't you go ahead and suicide your gang into ours and die? Guys?
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Wet Ferret on 06/02/2008 02:39:38 Quote: they are so expensive and alot of ppl own then I WONDER WHY? Oh, that's right. It's because they're so easy to kill and counter that everyone and their dog is dying to fork out billions to use them. lulz
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Wet Ferret Because things that allow you to escape easily at any time while still being able to fight (like old WCSs) are unbalanced? In other words, guerilla and skirmish warfare has no place in Eve? And why not?
Eclip SUBLIME L.L.C.	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:54:00 - [17] "no amount of shieled repping" is my post if u can get in lock a hugin with ur basilisk and rep him for 2500-4000dps then i need to get ur setup. its almost impossible and if the huginn isnt insta primary then the remote reppers are. The 10 huginns was an example of the perfect counter. Rarely you will get 1 even 2 huginn pilots willing to jump into an engagement like that. Simply for the fact that they know they will die within seconds. Even when a gang of similar amount of ships jumps into teh nano gang they run. even numbers more or less 10 one side 12 the other and they scream blob. combat has changed for the worse in eve and its not lookign to get nay better anytime soon. I was flying speed fits b4 the advent of rigs in T1 cruisers and doing well i would engage 2-3 cruisers at a time with little doubt they would all die. This mentality of being un-touchable shouldnt exist in a game. Lie i said i dont know a solution but CCP have said they are looking at speed fit ships again in theri dev blogs so nano pilots start testing out soem otehr fits coz its gonna hurt. they never intended for HACs other then vagas to be fast. so anyone other then vaga piltos are gonna get the blunt end of the stick when they do soemthing. -------------------------------------------------- It is not what u are underneath, but what you do that defines you
Spike Hammer ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:54:00 - [18] Not saying it shouldnt exsist just not as powerful as it is now.
Eclip SUBLIME L.L.C.	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:56:00 - [19] Edited by: Eclip on 06/02/2008 02:56:10 Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Wet Ferret Because things that allow you to escape easily at any time while still being able to fight (like old WCSs) are unbalanced? In other words, guerilla and skirmish warfare has no place in Eve? And why not? Oh it does but guerilla warefare is about ambushing not being fast. killing a ship is quick ambushing them takes paitence. Skirmish warfare doesnt exist its either a battle or its not. -------------------------------------------------- It is not what u are underneath, but what you do that defines you
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Wet Ferret Because things that allow you to escape easily at any time while still being able to fight (like old WCSs) are unbalanced? In other words, guerilla and skirmish warfare has no place in Eve? And why not? I don't know. I wasn't the one who decided to nerf WCS.

Sauromugue	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:01:00 - [21] The people who whine about nanos are the same people who play Paladin in WoW, tbqmfh.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:04:00 - [22] Originally by: Wet Ferret Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Wet Ferret Because things that allow you to escape easily at any time while still being able to fight (like old WCSs) are unbalanced? In other words, guerilla and skirmish warfare has no place in Eve? And why not? I don't know. I wasn't the one who decided to nerf WCS. You seem to be the one who makes up bad analogies.
Parfait M North Face Force	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:06:00 - [23] Edited by: Parfait M on 06/02/2008 03:06:57 One of these days Ceyna, pow right in the kissa! But **, I wish everyone flew nano-machs in 0.0 ------- Drink apple juice; OJ will KILL YOU**!
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Spike Hammer Not saying it shouldnt exsist just not as powerful as it is now. The only reason it is at all powerful (when it is) is because the people who tend to do it tend to be quite good at it, and the people who tend to whine on the forums about it tend to be really lousy at countering it. Speed is like cloaking and EWar. That is, when it succeeds, it succeeds spectacularly, and when it fails, it fails spectacularly. It's one or the other. But the people who are victims of it (and only see the part when it succeeds) and refuse to use their brains to come up with tactics against it, come on the forums and whine for "nerfing" instead until no one flies anything but battleships and capitals and it's all about pure tank and dps.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:16:00 - [25] Originally by: Eclip "no amount of shieled repping" is my post if u can get in lock a hugin with ur basilisk and rep him for 2500-4000dps then i need to get ur setup. its almost impossible and if the huginn isnt insta primary then the remote reppers are. The 10 huginns was an example of the perfect counter. Rarely you will get 1 even 2 huginn pilots willing to jump into an engagement like that. Simply for the fact that they know they will die within seconds. 10 huginns is a horrible counter. Seriously, **** like this is why you people die to nanos. Get 2-3 huginns. A handful of logistics ships. Fit heavy neuts on your BS. Make sure you have a couple inties with webs. Primary whatever the huginns and BS lock down. Whatever they primary, remote rep.
Clinically Gallente Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Ceyna Lakise Because apparently in o.o that's pretty much what everyone uses. Machs Gief free 0.0 nano-mach now! ________________ Welcome to EvE Online Forums, would you like to: [ ] Whine about ganking [ ] Complain about updates [ ] Post an anti-nerf petition [X] Remove your operating system
VJ Maverick Caldari R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Eclip Edited by: Eclip on 06/02/2008 02:56:10 Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Wet Ferret Because things that allow you to escape easily at any time while still being able to fight (like old WCSs) are unbalanced? In other words, guerilla and skirmish warfare has no place in Eve? And why not? Oh it does but guerilla warefare is about ambushing not being fast. killing a ship is quick ambushing them takes paitence. Skirmish warfare doesnt exist its either a battle or its not. As long as EvE PvP centers around gate-blobs and abusing local chat, there will never ever be anything even remotely deserving of the term "ambush." Telling your girlfriend that you play EvE is like telling her about your herpes. Timing is everything.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:31:00 - [28] Originally by: VJ Maverick As long as EvE PvP centers around gate-blobs and abusing local chat, there will never ever be anything even remotely deserving of the term "ambush." RA capital hot drops!!!!
Eclip SUBLIME L.L.C.	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:33:00 - [29] hehe 10 nano ships ur BS's dies in about 15 seconds then no remote reps and the alpha ont eh gunsa dn drones of the 10 nano ships fry ur huginns. heavy neuts do nothing when the nano ships sit at 28km laughting at you. and you would need like 5-6 logistics ships to keep a huginn alive with shield reps (4 reps on each basilisk). They are what like 390shield every 5 seconds for large reps thats like what 75-80 shield a second OMG not 300 sield a second form a basilisk. thats only like 550 dps tanked on a huginn to nano ships on average resist. so for 2500-3000dps which is conservative (avg 250-300dps per ship, ishtars are more like 430) you need 5-6 logistics for one huginn to live. Lets get realy u cant find 1-2 logistics piltos that fly them and know what there doing let alone 5-6. hm gang size for 3 huginns and 6 basilisks is 9 OMG so for 10 vs ur 9 u got the crappy dps of 3 huginns. yeah really almost even fight right there. Anymore ships and the speed ships run. think b4 posting. change the basilisks for BS's with remote shield transfers then. hm need 10-12 BS's now and gang size went to 13-15 which nano ships would maybe disengage and run depending on how ballzy they are. Either way there is no way that ur gang if jumping through a gate will be close enough to a huginn to rep it range on reps is 8400m on a BS. That being said yes on paper a huginn is the coutner but it aint practially that usefull in a secinaro of more then 6 enemy speed ships. Even if you ahve mroe numbers you will still take heavy losses and you wont kill any or very few. -------------------------------------------------- It is not what u are underneath, but what you do that defines you
Eclip SUBLIME L.L.C.	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:40:00 - [30] As long as EvE PvP centers around gate-blobs and abusing local chat, there will never ever be anything even remotely deserving of the term "ambush." how do u think teh first few suer caps got killed with ambushes b4 the advent of Hic's. ambushing still exists but its dying as the nano crazy sweeps over eve. we killed a raven that was nannoed up. I mean seriously what are some ppl thinking when they fit their ships. OMG nanos are "win" quick lets fit a BS for speed now.... safe to say he died after 2 vollys. I dont know what a fix is i used to fly nano and it was slightly better even tho having a rubish tank but it realy wasnt fair. The snakes plus rigs are broken, ccp know this and they are trying to fix it wthout breaking other things. Hell remove rigs altogether i think they actually hurt the game alot. Then speed ships designed to be fast will be and others will not be. -------------------------------------------------- It is not what u are underneath, but what you do that defines you



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