| Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Nobues
Gallente
Nomadic Wayfarer Syndicate
Carpe Universitas
   |
Posted - 2008.04.23 17:58:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Tony Unrau
Just curious, does this statement sound wrong to anyone other than just me?
(In a mission, in HIGH SEC)
"Assisting loot thief's makes you invulnerable to concord's laws..."
or how about:
"If you assist a griefer, concord will not fire at you, instead they will look the other way"
Here's what happened:
- My friend and I were running a lev 4 mission in -> HIGHSEC <-, A loot thief jumped in and started to loot/salvage all the wrecks.
- He began to flash red, I locked and engaged him. He was in a T1 Minmatar cruiser, I got him down to armor as his buddies jumped in. Knowing full well if his friends attacked me they would be Concorded I continued my attack.
- A logistics ship, and a dominix targetted and began shield repping the loot theif. They both than began flashing red which the rules of engagement says I can engage them for 15minutes aswell.
- The T1 Cruiser (Loot thief) webbed/jammed me, my damage was not high enough to take him down and after 5 minutes of shooting, the logistics ship had repped his shield to 100%.
My only way out was to fire at the flashing red logistics ship, and than to pop the T1 Cruiser that was webbing/jamming me. I popped the Flashing red Logistics ship, and started on the T1 Cruiser again.
Now here is where concord screwed up, They jumped in a raven, and commenced the ganking... Where's concord?? I thought they werent allowed to fire at me? After all I am in HIGHSEC, and I am DEFENDING my wrecks. Im not flashing red, they are.... Whats wrong with this picture?
I lost A nighthawk + faction fittings worth 900mill because concord decided that if you are flashing red first and repping a loot thief its ok to gank someone defending their wrecks????
I should just go around looking for loot thiefs, throw on a small repper, and start ganking people in highsec!!, Either that or bend over and let them have their way.. Nice loophole
yep all over what less then 30m wroth of crappy loop.. Yea you defended less then 30m wroth of loot with a 900m fitted ship.. Umm who is smart here.
I think you learned just to let it be. I run missions as well, but I will not risk crappy loot or salvage over my mission ships.
Webhosting, teamspeak and Killboard for you, your corp, and your Alliance Click me for more info |
Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
|
Posted - 2008.04.23 18:30:00 -
[32]
Post the killmails (your kill of the logistics, and their kill of you) and we'll see if we can't solve this mystery.
|
Ping Li
|
Posted - 2008.04.23 18:49:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Tony Unrau
Take care guys, looks like it's the end of eve for me. It was fun while it lasted ;]
PS: BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!! Try to warn as many ppl as possible about this so it doesnt happen to anyone else. Thanks!
How about escalating this and ask them to explain what happened. There server side logs must show who attacked you and they should also be able to see why concord didn't attack.
|
Croesus
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2008.04.23 19:32:00 -
[34]
empire has too many strange rules, i dont even know half of them, go to 0.0. everything is much simpler.
|
Veng3ance
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
|
Posted - 2008.04.23 19:41:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Tony Unrau
Take care guys, looks like it's the end of eve for me. It was fun while it lasted ;]
PS: BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!! Try to warn as many ppl as possible about this so it doesnt happen to anyone else. Thanks!
So you quit EVE after one loss?
Eve wasn't for you anyways. Have fun in Hello Kitty online.
|
Chi Quan
Perkone
|
Posted - 2008.04.23 20:36:00 -
[36]
do you know the reason why lowsec is empty now (or filled with pirates and no prey)?
because the pirates overstretched it.
all you ppl saying "can i have your stuff", let me tell you, you DON'T WANT THAT PACKAGE. it comes with a diminishing pray number. you have been warned.
----
"i-r-l33t3r-than-u 'cause ju is a n00b" is not a valid argument, it just shows you don't have any |
Agif
UnderDog Industries
Total Eclipse Syndicate
|
Posted - 2008.04.23 20:38:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Agif
This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards,
The EVE Online Moderation team
I love this game ^^ :P
---------------
EvEmissions - Level 5 Missions - Updated 22/01/08 |
Fuazzole
|
Posted - 2008.04.23 21:11:00 -
[38]
This kind of thing happens alot, and petitions denied, watch out for the next patch,
the small print always squeez's in, fixed exploit int he aggro mechanics...
once hapend to me with the old drone mechanics, remote reping a player would cause ur drones to auto aggro, and get u concorded free of warnings, they said it didn't exist, but next patch had the details...
|
Agif
UnderDog Industries
Total Eclipse Syndicate
|
Posted - 2008.04.23 21:46:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Fuazzole
This kind of thing happens alot, and petitions denied, watch out for the next patch,
the small print always squeez's in, fixed exploit int he aggro mechanics...
once hapend to me with the old drone mechanics, remote reping a player would cause ur drones to auto aggro, and get u concorded free of warnings, they said it didn't exist, but next patch had the details...
They make it up as they go along. Basically STFU stop complaining and give us your $$'s :)
---------------
EvEmissions - Level 5 Missions - Updated 22/01/08 |
Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.04.23 22:01:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Veng3ance
Originally by: Tony Unrau
Take care guys, looks like it's the end of eve for me. It was fun while it lasted ;]
PS: BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!! Try to warn as many ppl as possible about this so it doesnt happen to anyone else. Thanks!
So you quit EVE after one loss?
Eve wasn't for you anyways. Have fun in Hello Kitty online.
I'm getting sick of post like this, why do you try to make someone down who is already beaten hard by a game-bug ?
1. If he'd quit, that's because he lost a ship where he shouldn't have lost one. It's because of a bug + denied reimbursment or shady game mechanics or whatever went wrong there.
2. He lost one ship, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that he lost 900 mil. For 900 mil you can lose like 50 insured and t1-fitted battelships.
If you'd lose 50 battelships to a bug and were thinking about qutting - don't you think it were absolute inappropriate if people posted crap like "Eve wasn't for you anyways. Have fun in Hello Kitty online." ?
|
Hanneshannes
|
Posted - 2008.04.23 22:09:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Hanneshannes on 23/04/2008 22:09:37
It was a rather silly loss though. Why defend a bit of loot in a 900M ship if you know that thas person can now freely shoot at you. Lots of ppl use that tactic to get ppl to shoot them, so they can come back in a better ship and kill them.
I wouldn't shoot back at all in a ship fitted for missioning because they usually fail at PvPing, only exception might be the dominix.
Besides that, whenever you undock a ship, prepare to lose it, thus never undock in osmething that you can't replace.
If you train your way up to command ships, you obviously had some fun playing the game and you shouldn't let the loss of a ship spoil that fun. CCP probably couldn't care less if you cancelled your subscription, there's hundreds of new subscriptions a week, I can tell you that you wont be missed, not by CCP at least.
|
Frida Frogger
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 03:20:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Vagra
Originally by: Tony Unrau
Responce:
you should take this as a learning experience. Even as a care bear you should learn the rules of engagement. You failed to learn which caused you to loose your ship. At the same time you can simply make the cash as a mission runner back in no time. No need to leave the game, unless you are the kind of person who runs away because somebody stole your popcorn
How is this within the rules of engagement? he said he only attacked the flashing red ships, so it was legal for him to do so. So concorde attacked him or what?
or concorde never showed up at all? i know they are slow, they sit and eat donuts and drink coffee at some fedmart many jumps away so its quite normal for them to show up late. and we gotta take that into account, but if they showed up... who did they attack, what did they do?
I need to know, since i have never seen concorde in action, and that is most interesting as it raise the question - is concorde bugged?
|
Frida Frogger
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 03:27:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Veng3ance
Originally by: Tony Unrau
1. If he'd quit, that's because he lost a ship where he shouldn't have lost one. It's because of a bug + denied reimbursment or shady game mechanics or whatever went wrong there.
2. He lost one ship, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that he lost 900 mil. For 900 mil you can lose like 50 insured and t1-fitted battelships.
If you'd lose 50 battelships to a bug and were thinking about qutting - don't you think it were absolute inappropriate if people posted crap like "Eve wasn't for you anyways. Have fun in Hello Kitty online." ?
well i know ppl who lost billions in this game, and they still play. 900 mill in one shot is quite much tho, to lose so fast. And he GM told him it was no bug, but it might be fubar engagement rules.
If it is not only we should learn from it but the game developers should also, as they are the ones that can handle such loopholes. They probably didnt intend to make it possible for people do this in highsec, or they wouldnt have invented highsec at all.
|
Tony Unrau
Caldari
Kraken's Teeth Syndicate
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 04:12:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Boz Well
If I were the one that screwed up in high sec, couldn't handle losing a ship, and since I couldn't take it I was going to quit the game... If that were me, I don't think I would publicly point out my mistakes and inability to handle a PVP loss. For every 'sympathetic' reader  , probably 5 people sitting out there going 'lol another noob wtfbbqpwnt.' 
But that's just me.
Agree, Point taken lol although I am laughing at all these people saying "can I have your money?" or "Go play WoW" rofl
I may still play anyways, who knows..
As for my fitting, im sure they were smart enough to know since I was in a nighthawk I was a shield tanker, I also was running a guristas mission meaning I had kin/thermal resists on not EM. My mistake was not running an invuln field. I was obviously setup for PvE not PvP.. The reason I didnt run back to base to refit because from my earlier convo in help chat I was under the assumption that it would be between him and I, thats it.
I agree with the people saying "Why risk 900mill for 30mill?"
A: It's the principle that it's HIGHSEC, ganking in highsec should be non existent.
B: Engagement's between a Thief and someone defending them self in Highsec should be geared towards the defendant not the Thief.. (at least in highsec in my opinion).
Yet it's the complete opposite, at the very least my point of making this post is a hope that the game designers will rethink their position on highsec ganking, thats all. Ridicule me if you like, I dont take it personally and dont really care to be honest.
-> I HATE WoW <- rofl
anyway's this is how highsec is geared towards loot thief's:
X = Thief AKA Greifer in highsec
Z = Defendant
1. X attempts to steal
2. X Is WARNED stealing may cause aggression by Z and his corporation
3. Z Target's X and begins firing (no warning)
4. Z gets owned by X's friends.
|
Hanneshannes
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 06:04:00 -
[45]
It never worked that way, at least for me. Shooting someone doesn't flag you to their corp or fleet.
|
Fon Revedhort
Aeria Gloris Inc
United Legion
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 06:41:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Tony Unrau
anyway's this is how highsec is geared towards loot thief's:
X = Thief AKA Greifer in highsec
Z = Defendant
1. X attempts to steal
2. X Is WARNED stealing may cause aggression by Z and his corporation
3. Z Target's X and begins firing (no warning)
4. Z gets owned by X's friends.
You're wrong.
You shooted X's friends, so they fired back defending themselves. Simple as that. You should have keep your hostilities only against the initial target (X), that's it. If you can't break his tank, uh, well, that's your own problem. You shoundn't shoot people at all to begin with if unready to loose something.
---
|
Traderboz
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 07:45:00 -
[47]
High sec isn't safe. It is just more restricted. People can still kill your ship, they can still kill you, but there are simply consequences. IMO, you should never get too*****y or feel too safe - that's when you let your guard down and get in trouble.
Just as an example, I still use my original char as a noobie rifter pirate (restarted due to hideous stat distribution). I managed to catch a 4 year old character jetcan mining in a highsec belt, and when he left to go get his badger, I quickly threw out my can, renamed it to match his can, and transferred the ore  He fell for it, and I figured I'll give a ransom a try, mostly for ****s and giggles, so I ask him what his setup's worth to him.  He hems and haws, and I really don't care because I'm just in this for the fun, and about 40 seconds later he gives me some smart ass'ed answer, tells me where I can go (lol) and self destructs. Afterwards, he's still laughing at me.
High sec or not, I didn't really feeling like letting the encounter end with him laughing, so I just locked his pod down and popped his high SP char. I definitely wish killmails told implants, but I do know he didn't make any snide comments after that, heh.
Point? Even in high sec he wasn't safe, because I was prepared to face the consequences. He might have gotten the better of me had he just been more careful and realized that high sec doesn't mean safety (if you can call self destructing your ship and all your ore getting the better of someone, heh). Getting*****y and laughing at a low sp char in a rifter though, when you're in a pod, just isn't a solid gameplan I guess.
IMO, stick with the game. Get yourself a raven, and worry about the commandship later. Everyone's gotta learn that high sec isn't safe at some point, just cost you a lot more ISK than it does other people. But now ya know, so be careful next time. |
Thoris Levithar
Gallente
Gadget Factory
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 08:21:00 -
[48]
Out of curiosity...going back to the initial situation, what ways would the op have had to escape there? So he shoots the loot thief, and the buddies of that guy jump in and begin to repair. I assume that neither could have broken the other's tank then, so it would've been a stalemate for possibly infinite time (as long as the op stayed smart and didn't attack other targets). The thief obviously cannot leave to get a more powerful ship, because in that second the op would've warped away.
Does the aggression timer refresh while you are fighting (sorry too little pvp experience here to ever have watched that)? Or would it eventually run out, and what would happen then?
|
Hoshi
Black Water.
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 10:24:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Croesus
empire has too many strange rules, i dont even know half of them, go to 0.0. everything is much simpler.
QFT, even lowsec will do fine.
It's better to just assume that everyone is out to get you and can fire at you at will.
----------------------------------------
A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Hanneshannes
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 10:24:00 -
[50]
If you are constantly shooting, it would get refreshed, if one person doesn't do anything for 15 minutues, hm... no idea :(
|
Hoshi
Black Water.
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 10:30:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Thoris Levithar
Does the aggression timer refresh while you are fighting (sorry too little pvp experience here to ever have watched that)? Or would it eventually run out, and what would happen then?
Aggression timer resets if you keep shooting but if he just stopped shooting it should wear out after 15 min. Not 100% sure on that, needs to be tested. He could also just sit and wait until the other guy gave up or Downtime which ever happens first. |
Hydrogen
Art of War
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 11:22:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Hydrogen on 24/04/2008 11:23:10
Lets get this right once and for all:
1. OP considers mission wrecks his property - CCP stated that salvage is a viable profession and everyone knows, that it is allowed in high-sec. Except the one who opens the can is flagged.
2. OP is a carebear
3. OP saw the Salvager (the viable profession) and considered him easy bait. Something like: righteous fury of the strong vs the weak (cmon t2 Command Ship vs T1 frig - that is hillarious).
4. OP got pwnd for being over confident and for trying to kill somone weaker than him.
Nothing wrong with it - the loss of OP is well deserved. Pick someone your own size or dont pick anyone at all.
__
- click here - |
Fauna Veldnaught
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 11:25:00 -
[53]
You made a mistake when you engaged the logistic ship.
That enabled the Raven to be able to engage you.
|
Hanneshannes
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 12:42:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Hydrogen
Edited by: Hydrogen on 24/04/2008 11:23:10
Lets get this right once and for all:
1. OP considers mission wrecks his property - CCP stated that salvage is a viable profession and everyone knows, that it is allowed in high-sec. Except the one who opens the can is flagged.
2. OP is a carebear
3. OP saw the Salvager (the viable profession) and considered him easy bait. Something like: righteous fury of the strong vs the weak (cmon t2 Command Ship vs T1 frig - that is hillarious).
4. OP got pwnd for being over confident and for trying to kill somone weaker than him.
Nothing wrong with it - the loss of OP is well deserved. Pick someone your own size or dont pick anyone at all.
Well, it all started with them invading his mission so I wouldn't say th OP picked a fight.
|
Iracham
Gallente
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 13:22:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Hanneshannes
Well, it all started with them invading his mission so I wouldn't say th OP picked a fight.
The OP fired the first shot, thus enabling his own demise, even if that action was precipitated by someone stealing a civilian shield booster out of one of his wrecks.
|
Tamon Ra
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 13:27:00 -
[56]
To the OP.
Your not the only one. It happened to me in exactly the same way in high sec.
My mission space invaded, thief opening cans, thief flashing red, my righteous indignation, thief comes back with friends, I am down by more than 900 mill.
In all of this Concord did sweet FA.
Learned to curb my temper and move on. (Just hate the idea of lazy lowlifes getting away with it). |
Farbs
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 13:33:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Hydrogen
Edited by: Hydrogen on 24/04/2008 11:23:10
Lets get this right once and for all:
1. OP considers mission wrecks his property - CCP stated that salvage is a viable profession and everyone knows, that it is allowed in high-sec. Except the one who opens the can is flagged.
2. OP is a carebear
3. OP saw the Salvager (the viable profession) and considered him easy bait. Something like: righteous fury of the strong vs the weak (cmon t2 Command Ship vs T1 frig - that is hillarious).
4. OP got pwnd for being over confident and for trying to kill somone weaker than him.
Nothing wrong with it - the loss of OP is well deserved. Pick someone your own size or dont pick anyone at all.
Grats on a fail post.
Salvaging is ok, canflipping aint.
|
Durzel
Caldari
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 15:57:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Tony Unrau
I agree with the people saying "Why risk 900mill for 30mill?"
A: It's the principle that it's HIGHSEC, ganking in highsec should be non existent.
To be fair they probably did you a favour. I'd wager there would be a few career suicide gankers who would've taken a run at your 900m fittings NH and you wouldn't have been able to do anything about it at all.
At least you lost your ship due to your own actions and in regular PvP, that's something I guess?
|
Ulstan
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 15:57:00 -
[59]
The amount of nonsense whirling through this thread is pretty intense.
OP just wanted to know one thing: does shooting at a blinky red in hi sec make YOU blinky red to his corpmates?
|
Tashiell Gao
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
|
Posted - 2008.04.24 16:35:00 -
[60]
The guy (name A) steals your loot, your whole corp can shoot him, but his corpmate can't shoot you.
his corpmate(named B) reps him, your whole corp can shoot him, but if you do you (or your corp) will be flagged to B's corp.
I am pretty confident on the first part, but not the second part, could anyone confirm it please? |
| |
|
| Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |