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Reuser
Gunfleet Logistics
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:05:00 -
[121]
 Originally by: Havohej
Gunfleet just squeeked, so now the logserver.exe is going to get oiled.
GG Hydra.
In essence, I agree. I just want CCP to be clear and open about it.
Note - I have had my finger on the killswitch of bacon.gunfleet.org since I have read CCP's latest posts. I await their decision.
Originally by: Reuser
Can we take this as a communication to pull the BACON website? As we have said MULTIPLE times in e-mail, we will be happy to.
Second, someone in CCP needs to address the fact, as alluded to by CCP Grimmi, that there are many tools like BACON, and being used by large groups of people in secret.
Third, I'm not sure, as a developer, how much more transparent we could have been. Perhaps you can advise me. Advance knowledge, requests for approval, open source, changing our code. How can we in the future give CCP more insight into our process?
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NightF0x
Gallente
Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:17:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Reuser
Originally by: NightF0x
Please link to the thread that anyone with authority at CCP said 'this isn't a problem'.
Sure! Link
No where do they say 'this isn't a problem'. They said that it doesn't appear to be a problem and that they will report back if it does but they don't give it two thumbs up as you happen to suggest.
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Finger Licking
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:17:00 -
[123]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
What I've said, is basically a restatement of what Lead GM Grimmi said in his initial post.
BACON is making use of the Logserver in a way that was never intended. Whilst it may not be a definative violation of the EULA and TOS, that doesn't mean it's something that we're particularly pleased with. As Lead GM Grimmi said "we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this". The Logserver was meant to help solve bugs, not give anyone a viable or quantifiable ingame advantage.
Originally by: GM Grimmi
There does not appear to be any violation of our EULA or TOS here so we believe this should be ok. Please be advised that we will thoroughly investigate any reports that would point to the contrary and reserve the right to change our minds if deemed appropriate.
Hmmm, I don't see where GM Grimmi said this in his post....not that I disagree with you, but it seems to be a contradiction between what was said and what was remembered as being said.
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NightF0x
Gallente
Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:24:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Finger Licking
Originally by: CCP Atropos
What I've said, is basically a restatement of what Lead GM Grimmi said in his initial post.
BACON is making use of the Logserver in a way that was never intended. Whilst it may not be a definative violation of the EULA and TOS, that doesn't mean it's something that we're particularly pleased with. As Lead GM Grimmi said "we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this". The Logserver was meant to help solve bugs, not give anyone a viable or quantifiable ingame advantage.
Originally by: GM Grimmi
There does not appear to be any violation of our EULA or TOS here so we believe this should be ok. Please be advised that we will thoroughly investigate any reports that would point to the contrary and reserve the right to change our minds if deemed appropriate.
Hmmm, I don't see where GM Grimmi said this in his post....not that I disagree with you, but it seems to be a contradiction between what was said and what was remembered as being said.
If you are talking to Atropos then you have the wrong Grimi quote. He was referring to this quote.
Quote:
Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
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Meat Hook
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:24:00 -
[125]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
What I've said, is basically a restatement of what Lead GM Grimmi said in his initial post.
BACON is making use of the Logserver in a way that was never intended. Whilst it may not be a definative violation of the EULA and TOS, that doesn't mean it's something that we're particularly pleased with. As Lead GM Grimmi said "we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this". The Logserver was meant to help solve bugs, not give anyone a viable or quantifiable ingame advantage.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves, and as such we will be responding to BACON in turn. I'm not going to divulge details on the subject, but the simple fact that players will goto such lengths to get an edge over players disturbs me quite deeply.
I'd love to say that EVE should be all that we need, but as has happened in the past, as players find external third party tools that they deem invaluble, such as TeamSpeak and Ventrillo, we deal with them in kind, as with EVE Voice. Each is dealt with based on the merits of the case, at the time. BACON and any similar tools will be dealt with as we see fit, in a manner we hope will resolve the situation satisfactorily. This should close the matter, I hope, but if you wish to continue constructive discussion on the matter I'll be keeping my eye on this.
Additionally, please stop making all these silly little threads on the same topic. It's a waste of everyone's time when they can be consolidated into one main thread. 
Fair enough you want to change it because it's taking advantage of the logserver in ways you never intended and I respect and understand that, I would never use this anyway. Only problem I have is that CCP never done anything about these programs in the past when big Alliances were using similar programs. Now that Gunfleet has brought it to the masses you want to finally stop it. If you are talking about balance and fairness why didn't CCP start working on the problem before it was shown to the little guys of EVE?
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Havohej
Minmatar
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:25:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Reuser
Originally by: NightF0x
Please link to the thread that anyone with authority at CCP said 'this isn't a problem'.
Sure! Link
Will you read it in chronological order? No. No, I doubt you will. Note that thread happened almost a week before we launched BACON.
NM. Facts have been totally ignored in this thread.
Yes, facts have been totally ignored - by HYDRA Alliance. You keep saying CCP gave us their blessing. You were asked for proof - you linked this thread.
Chronologically, you ask if what you plan to do is bad, when in reality, you'd already done it (and probably had been using it - don't bother denying it, nobody will believer you) and were just asking for permission to release it publicly.
CCP Lingorm (A dev) replied:
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
I will find out for you.
My initial reaction is that there is nothing 'wrong' with this per say. As long as you are only reading the logserver logfiles not the raw log server output. As these files can be delayed in writing, or if you want an immediate write then it takes up more cpu and disk IO that is your call.
Please do not take this as CCP approval, but I will go ask the appropriate people and get you a definitive answer.
Lingorm said, as an initial reaction, that there was nothing 'wrong' with this per se. Do you know what 'per se' means? It means, literally speaking, by the letter of the EULA, there is no violation here. It does NOT mean that it's perfectly okay and you're to be regarded as heroes for it. Not that Lingorm emphasized the word wrong by putting it in quotation marks to make the point that much clearer. You read what you wanted to read "There is nothing wrong with this." and nothing further.
A few posts later, GM Grimmi, the Lead GM, replied:
Originally by: GM Grimmi
There does not appear to be any violation of our EULA or TOS here so we believe this should be ok. Please be advised that we will thoroughly investigate any reports that would point to the contrary and reserve the right to change our minds if deemed appropriate.
There did not APPEAR to be a violation of the EULA or TOS; it shouldn't be a problem. Not, "It isn't a problem." Not, "This is perfectly fine, CCP endorses this product and/or service." No, he said, "There does not appear to be any violation of our EULA or TOS..." They reserve the right to change their minds. Meaning, they can declare it a violation at any time. They can even change the EULA and TOS themselves. After all, they were going to thoroughly investigate all reports.
Never once has CCP said "BACON is a good thing." They were ambiguous from the beginning. Presumably this is because they didn't like it, and have never liked programs like this, but they run 100% client-side, so they couldn't hand out bans for things they couldn't detect, not to mention that this is one of their best tools for fixing bugs.
Now they've dropped their ambiguity and said flat out, "We don't like this and we're going to change the logserver to fix it."
And you have to ask, "Does this mean you want us to take it down?" You REALLY have to ask?
Originally by: Cesar Malari
We're about playing this game smarter, not harder.
You guys sound pretty stupid right now from where I sit.
Originally by: techzer0
I'm invincible until proven wrong
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NightF0x
Gallente
Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:26:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Meat Hook
Fair enough you want to change it because it's taking advantage of the logserver in ways you never intended and I respect and understand that, I would never use this anyway. Only problem I have is that CCP never done anything about these programs in the past when big Alliances were using similar programs. Now that Gunfleet has brought it to the masses you want to finally stop it. If you are talking about balance and fairness why didn't CCP start working on the problem before it was shown to the little guys of EVE?
How do you know that they weren't and never told anyone about it? They do tend to fix exploits, which BACON is, before they announce that they exist.
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Matrixcvd
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:30:00 -
[128]
so that about does it, BACON just got a hole bunch of antichlosteral medicine and we can go back to buisness as usual... i expect moar nanowhine threads now after the next collosal gank fest to commence unabated
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:32:00 -
[129]
Internet petitions accomplish nothing
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Cesar Malari
Gunfleet Logistics
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:34:00 -
[130]
Since there appears to be a bit of question about this, I'll restate it here in public:
Gunfleet is willing to take down the BACON website and the application if CCP asks us publicly to do so. So far, all I've seen are statements that it is frowned upon and that changes will be made in the future to make it not work. Fine. Nowhere have I seen a request to pull the application. If someone has seen such a request posted in public by CCP (now or in the future), I'd appreciate you bringing it to my attention so we can take action. |
Havohej
Minmatar
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:41:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Cesar Malari
Since there appears to be a bit of question about this, I'll restate it here in public:
Gunfleet is willing to take down the BACON website and the application if CCP asks us publicly to do so. So far, all I've seen are statements that it is frowned upon and that changes will be made in the future to make it not work. Fine. Nowhere have I seen a request to pull the application. If someone has seen such a request posted in public by CCP (now or in the future), I'd appreciate you bringing it to my attention so we can take action.
I probably wasn't clear enough in explaining for you guys to understand... It wasn't banned because it's client-side - they can't detect it, so they can't enforce banning it.
Why declare something a violation publicly if you can't do ANYthing about it? This isn't even like RMT where they can at least track large transactions to their source and come up with something at least 60% of the time (at least!). This is something they couldn't enforce AT ALL, so might as well leave it to HYDRA Alliance to do what is obviously the right thing and take it down while they work on the changes that will allow their logserver program to continue to function as they need it to without opening holes like this for people like you to exploit.
If we're all sitting down to dinner, and you're kicking me under the table, my looking to you and quietly saying "I don't like that, and I would prefer you didn't do it" should be enough to make you stop - I shouldn't have to jump through your hoop, stand up, tap my fork to the crystal and with great pomp and circumstance proclaim: "I hereby request that HYDRA Alliance please stop kicking my leg beneath the table. Thank you." Similarly, neither should CCP have to jump through the ego-hoop of some exploit-programmers and make a freaking press release asking that you twerps please stop hosting this exploit for even MORE people to download and cause even MORE damage, albeit in the short term.
Originally by: techzer0
I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Phant Zon
Minmatar
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.05.05 02:43:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Havohej
The comparisons between EFT/EVEMon and BACON are comical at best, trolling at worst.
If you're stupid enough to not see the difference, let me point it out: BACON does something for you, actively, dramatically effecting your game play in real time. It watches local FOR you. Alertness is part of actively playing a game. If you have a program to be alert FOR you, then that program is playing part of the game FOR you.
EFT, on the other hand, is a database of information. You tell it what your character's skills and implants are, and it tells you what performance you might be able to get by fitting module x on ship y. It doesn't actually DO anything with your game play, in real time or otherwise, because YOU have to get those modules and those ships and those implants by your own effort. EFT does none of it FOR you.
EVEMon is similar in the database aspect, in that it holds the equation for how long it takes a skill to train based on attribute scores which are affected by learning skills and implants. You tell it what your current skills and implants are, and it does some math and tells you how long it will take to train a whole queue of skills. It doesn't log on and switch to train the next skill when your current skill is finished. It doesn't buy your skillbooks. It doesn't do anything FOR you. It's merely a source of information which has already been publicly circulated by CCP itself - they've told us the skill training multipliers, they've told us the equations for the stacking penalties on modules.
EVEMon and EFT = Database of information unable to effect game play in real time.
BACON = Program which automates being alert by watching local FOR you, in real time.
And you can't tell the difference? You can't see what makes BACON bad, while EFT and EVEMon remain good?
Not to mention the API was provided by CCP to be used for just such apps as EFT and EVEmon. Whereas the logserver information is NOT provided to be used in such 3rd party apps. If BACON was actually some kind of tool that used the logserver info to better hunt out bugs, it would probably be welcomed. It is instead a application that uses the logserver information for something it was never intended for, which is more or less the definition of a exploit, using resources provided for bug hunting for applications they were never intended for.
At its core, it is a breach of the spirit of the 'law' if not the letter of the 'law'. If you want to play MMO lawyer you can argue about the definitions of words all you like, but to deny that simple, obvious truth is deliberate obtuseness at its best.
CCP has been lenient in this case, possibly because of the general assumption that these sort of programs have been used among specific groups for some time now. There will likely never be any concrete proof that this assumption is true, due to the undetectable nature of these sorts of things. I would certainly hope that if CCP had definite evidence of the log server info being used this way before now that this issue would have been rendered moot by changes to the way the log server info works.
CCP gave the players a tool that gave us the ability to help the development of the game we love. Every single person who has abused that tool for personal gain ought to be ashamed. CCP is not perfect, and players have every right to point out, respectfully and constructively where and when they have screwed up. Usually many of us instead choose to heap invectives upon them, speculate wildly about their parentage , accuse them of a multitude of sins and generally act like hooligans knowing, like the coward who attacks an Amish man or other steadfastly pacifistic person, they are constrained from striking back in a similar fashion. Instead of using the nuclear option(simply shutting off player access to the log server info) they have chosen a more moderate approach. Which is, if you ask me, more than many deserve.
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NightmareX
Quam Singulari
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.05 03:28:00 -
[133]
So many good points here now that it's actually fun to read this topic.
And this also shows WHY i love CCP.
CCP remember to me to give all of the devs a free beer when i'm coming to a FanFest sometime in the future.
Isn't that about 250+ devs right now?, OH SNAP, my wallet will hurt .
But meh, CCP deserve it anyways.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.05.05 03:39:00 -
[134]
Originally by: NightmareX
So many good points here now that it's actually fun to read this topic.
And this also shows WHY i love CCP.
CCP remember to me to give all of the devs a free beer when i'm coming to a FanFest sometime in the future.
Isn't that about 250+ devs right now?, OH SNAP, my wallet will hurt.
But meh, CCP deserve it anyways.
Then buy it
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Dario Wall
Caldari
Black Legion Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.05 03:54:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Meat Hook
Only problem I have is that CCP never done anything about these programs in the past when big Alliances were using similar programs. Now that Gunfleet has brought it to the masses you want to finally stop it.
You know those little standings icons that are shown in chat channels next to player names?
Where do you think that came from? A few alliances, won't mention names, thought it would be fun to alter EVE to show standings icons instead of portraits in chat. You can figure out what happened.
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Havohej
Minmatar
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.05.05 04:17:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Dario Wall
Originally by: Meat Hook
Only problem I have is that CCP never done anything about these programs in the past when big Alliances were using similar programs. Now that Gunfleet has brought it to the masses you want to finally stop it.
You know those little standings icons that are shown in chat channels next to player names?
Where do you think that came from? A few alliances, won't mention names, thought it would be fun to alter EVE to show standings icons instead of portraits in chat. You can figure out what happened.
I invite you to page 4 of this thread - interesting developments and dev replies (one of which basically says that no, they're not planning to incorporate BACON's functionality into the EVE client. And thank god for that... it was my chief worry.
Note: Don't read any sarcasm into my reply - I genuinely invite you to the bounty of CCP Atropos' posts :)
Originally by: techzer0
I'm invincible until proven wrong
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LetsDoThis
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Posted - 2008.05.05 04:21:00 -
[137]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
the simple fact that players will goto such lengths to get an edge over players disturbs me quite deeply.
The irony is so thick... can I have a slice?
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Dario Wall
Caldari
Black Legion Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.05 04:25:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Dario Wall
Originally by: Meat Hook
Only problem I have is that CCP never done anything about these programs in the past when big Alliances were using similar programs. Now that Gunfleet has brought it to the masses you want to finally stop it.
You know those little standings icons that are shown in chat channels next to player names?
Where do you think that came from? A few alliances, won't mention names, thought it would be fun to alter EVE to show standings icons instead of portraits in chat. You can figure out what happened.
I invite you to page 4 of this thread - interesting developments and dev replies (one of which basically says that no, they're not planning to incorporate BACON's functionality into the EVE client. And thank god for that... it was my chief worry.
Note: Don't read any sarcasm into my reply - I genuinely invite you to the bounty of CCP Atropos' posts :)
You misunderstand me. I know they won't add BACON's function to EVE, as I stated in a post on page 4.
Originally by: Dario Wall
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: cyt0matrix
All hail Atropos and nightmarex. :)
Finally we stop worrying about bacon. :P
Yeah... now we just have to worry about whether CCP is going to make it an official game feature. Note the mention of EVE Voice in response to people using TS and Vent 
Voice was put in because not everyone had access to host Ventrilo or Teamspeak servers. How ever, with Voice built in the game it enables those people to have a voice server to use for free to be on an even level with others.
CCP won't enable a feature such as BACON's due to it being used to promote AFK playstyles, which they do not want. It was also already been shown that such a feature would make the use of macros simpler to implement, which CCP does not want.
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Havohej
Minmatar
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.05.05 04:32:00 -
[139]
Indeed I did misunderstand you - and missed your reply on Page 4 to boot! My apologies
Originally by: techzer0
I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Speaker Dead
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Posted - 2008.05.05 04:35:00 -
[140]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: cyt0matrix
All hail Atropos and nightmarex. :)
Finally we stop worrying about bacon. :P
Yeah... now we just have to worry about whether CCP is going to make it an official game feature. Note the mention of EVE Voice in response to people using TS and Vent
That was why I mentioned it, to play with your minds!  Seriously though, do you think we would actually encourage afk play? 
You encourage multiple accounts, couldn't running 2 at the same time be considered "AFK PLAY"?
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:29:00 -
[141]
all I want to use bacon for is so I can sit afk like normal in a station, while on another account, and be told when a frackin war target comes so I can pwn him...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Dario Wall
Caldari
Black Legion Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:35:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Bryg Philomena
all I want to use bacon for is so I can sit afk like normal in a station, while on another account, and be told when a frackin war target comes so I can pwn him...
Why not just... I don't know, play the game?
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:41:00 -
[143]
Originally by: NightF0x
Originally by: Meat Hook
Fair enough you want to change it because it's taking advantage of the logserver in ways you never intended and I respect and understand that, I would never use this anyway. Only problem I have is that CCP never done anything about these programs in the past when big Alliances were using similar programs. Now that Gunfleet has brought it to the masses you want to finally stop it. If you are talking about balance and fairness why didn't CCP start working on the problem before it was shown to the little guys of EVE?
How do you know that they weren't and never told anyone about it? They do tend to fix exploits, which BACON is, before they announce that they exist.
personally,I have said many times:
1.Bacon is not a hack,nor an exploit.It is just a tool.Use it or not is each person's choice
2.The Bacon's devs are right.CCP recognized that other such tools existed,however they have not provided any explanation as to why they haven't done anything about it till Bacon came out
3.It makes me laugh and sad to see all of you screaming against Bacon,but no one has bothered to be screaming against the other such programs,which existence CCP recognized.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:46:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Dario Wall
Originally by: Bryg Philomena
all I want to use bacon for is so I can sit afk like normal in a station, while on another account, and be told when a frackin war target comes so I can pwn him...
Why not just... I don't know, play the game?
because I said I was just on another account, but playing all 5 of mine can be a hassle.
Also, I routinely have upwards of 10 active chat windows open, it is one hell of a time, paying attention to local for that 1 war target to enter/login, chat about alliance politics, LA Area life, bounty, my personaly friends, business deals, scams, POS, trade etc.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente
Silver Snake Enterprise
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.05 06:18:00 -
[145]
Dont use it and dont plan to...
But maybe they could fix it by allowing yo to filter the portraits in local. Or sort them in different orders like the overview..... All reds to the top....Yes please.
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Franco Caruso
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Posted - 2008.05.05 06:37:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Cesar Malari
Gunfleet is willing to take down the BACON website and the application if CCP asks us publicly to do so.
Do not make it sound more unimpressive as it already is. You do not need to take it down because CCP will render the logserver useless for purposes you intend it to use ( unless you have missed CCP Atropos posting in this thread about it ).
Enjoy the glory of your application while it lasts.
FC
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.05 06:46:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Zeba on 05/05/2008 06:46:25
Originally by: Franco Caruso
Originally by: Cesar Malari
Gunfleet is willing to take down the BACON website and the application if CCP asks us publicly to do so.
Do not make it sound more unimpressive as it already is. You do not need to take it down because CCP will render the logserver useless for purposes you intend it to use ( unless you have missed CCP Atropos posting in this thread about it ).
Enjoy the glory of your application while it lasts.
FC
Don't be too harsh on these guys. They are only doing the same thing the I-Mune guys did by exposing a borderline exploit that had been covertly used for ages by unscrupulous corps and alliances.
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Tatoed Goat
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Posted - 2008.05.05 08:54:00 -
[148]
What a bunch of whining and trollage.
CCP please give the people like NightmareX a forum ban please. It deserves not to post here for a month or two for wasting everyones time with the troll spam that this thread is.
This game is not owned by you and if you don't like the fact that CCP aren't implementing changes you want as fast as you are demanding them to then leave the game, give me your stuff first though. SO STFU OR GTFO.
Your whine when CCP have already stated they are doing something about it is not funny and stating over and over again in multiple threads that you are a spoilt brat won't get you anywhere. You have been asked to give them time to deal with this. If you can't do that then leave the game. Bye.
"Before i start, this topic should ONLY be for those who agree with me and i will only see replys with peoples that have a reason why CCP should change Logserver or ban BACON, because just saying signed can be taken as spam."
Your entire thread and every single one you have made and will make in regards to this topic is spam and you deserve a forum ban. And then the sentence itself. You own the game? You think your opinion is the only right one? You are the only person who matters in this game? Can I have your stuff before your ego implodes in a monumental failure cascade. Go cry and whine elsewhere that you've been playing the game for four years, unless you mean that your opinion matters more than everyone else's because you have been playing for four years. Can I have your stuff?
Now stfu and wait or give me your stuff before you leave.
Bye mr failure cascade, go try and get some carebears in low sec or whatever it is that you fail at doing so you take your frustration out on a silly, irritating program.
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NightmareX
Quam Singulari
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.05 09:00:00 -
[149]
Edited by: NightmareX on 05/05/2008 09:10:06
Oh my god, i love troll posts like above, it only shows that i utterly pwned a BACON user in this topic.
And no, i will not get any bans, i'm actually the last person in this topic to get that.
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Dario Wall
Caldari
Black Legion Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.05 09:03:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Tatoed Goat
What a bunch of whining and trollage.
CCP please give the people like NightmareX a forum ban please. It deserves not to post here for a month or two for wasting everyones time with the troll spam that this thread is.
This game is not owned by you and if you don't like the fact that CCP aren't implementing changes you want as fast as you are demanding them to then leave the game, give me your stuff first though. SO STFU OR GTFO.
Your whine when CCP have already stated they are doing something about it is not funny and stating over and over again in multiple threads that you are a spoilt brat won't get you anywhere. You have been asked to give them time to deal with this. If you can't do that then leave the game. Bye.
"Before i start, this topic should ONLY be for those who agree with me and i will only see replys with peoples that have a reason why CCP should change Logserver or ban BACON, because just saying signed can be taken as spam."
Your entire thread and every single one you have made and will make in regards to this topic is spam and you deserve a forum ban. And then the sentence itself. You own the game? You think your opinion is the only right one? You are the only person who matters in this game? Can I have your stuff before your ego implodes in a monumental failure cascade. Go cry and whine elsewhere that you've been playing the game for four years, unless you mean that your opinion matters more than everyone else's because you have been playing for four years. Can I have your stuff?
Now stfu and wait or give me your stuff before you leave.
Bye mr failure cascade, go try and get some carebears in low sec or whatever it is that you fail at doing so you take your frustration out on a silly, irritating program.
Where did I leave that FAILURE! stamp...
You're doing nothing but flaming the OP for raising a very valid point and finally getting a statement from CCP on the matter. But wait, you probably use the tool and are just upset that it's going to get removed.
BACON is a 3rd party application that reads the files from the log server to alert players when someone enters local. What does this mean? Well, for starters... You could be in the kitchen making dinner or watching TV, then you hear BACON beeping at you. So you run to the computer and cloak up and log. Secondly, the program can be altered to tie in with various macro scripts to full automate certain tasks, such as macro ratting. Someone enters local, the macro safe spots the ship and cloaks.
BACON promotes fully AFK game play by removing central tasks from the players. CCP have said many times that they want players to actually play the game. Tools like this go against what CCP wants.
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