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Reuser Gunfleet Logistics Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.04 17:16:00 - [31] Originally by: NightmareX Does the API key makes you take an advantage over other players? Do you even know what is possible using the API? Some of Gunfleet's next applications leverage the API, and I assure you, if BACON is freaking you out, go ahead and quit now.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 17:16:00 - [32] Every good minded person knows that what i'm talking about here is like it should be. I know you bears will defend your cheating program because your to lazy to play the game like everyone should, so no wonder why.
Arctur Ceti	Posted - 2008.05.04 17:24:00 - [33] Originally by: NightmareX Every good minded person knows that what i'm talking about here is like it should be. I know you bears will defend your cheating program because your to lazy to play the game like everyone should, so no wonder why. There you go. Let it all out. You'll feel better :).
cyt0matrix Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.05.04 17:53:00 - [34] Originally by: NightmareX Every good minded person knows that what i'm talking about here is like it should be. I know you bears will defend your cheating program because your to lazy to play the game like everyone should, so no wonder why. You picked the wrong forum to post this. You should have posted in feature and ideas forum. General discussion is full of bears.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 17:57:00 - [35] Originally by: cyt0matrix Originally by: NightmareX Every good minded person knows that what i'm talking about here is like it should be. I know you bears will defend your cheating program because your to lazy to play the game like everyone should, so no wonder why. You picked the wrong forum to post this. You should have posted in feature and ideas forum. General discussion is full of bears. . True true.
Speaker Dead	Posted - 2008.05.04 18:13:00 - [36] Ok, so lets say CCP manages to kill Bacon, then adds a skill called autoscanning that does the same thing....are your feelings still hurt? Can everyone have your stuff? If this were a more lifelike game, your ship would automatically warn you when anyone comes in system, without having to have your eyes glued to a local chan. Lets face it, not everyone wants to play the game your way.... My name is Orrmick Bomama, and I approved this message.
Zetjur Jilnou Rapid Deployment Industries	Posted - 2008.05.04 18:28:00 - [37] Look! Look at how stupid you are! (CCP already said they are changing it. stfu.)
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 18:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou Look! Look at how stupid you are! (CCP already said they are changing it. stfu.) Yes a GM have said something about changing the Logserver, but there is no answers from ACTUAL CCP Devs about it. I want to get confirmed by the CCP Devs and not the Game Masters, that the Logserver is beeing changed.
Zetjur Jilnou Rapid Deployment Industries	Posted - 2008.05.04 18:44:00 - [39] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 18:39:27 Yes a GM have said something about changing the Logserver, but there is no answers from ACTUAL CCP Devs about it. The GM doesn't have anything with the development of the Logserver to do so. I want to get confirmed by the CCP Devs and not the Game Masters, that the Logserver is beeing changed. GM's = CCP. I somewhat doubt a lead GM that I would guess likes their job will come announce some change that isn't actually happening. Again, look how stupid you are.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 18:46:00 - [40] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 18:47:27 Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 18:39:27 Yes a GM have said something about changing the Logserver, but there is no answers from ACTUAL CCP Devs about it. The GM doesn't have anything with the development of the Logserver to do so. I want to get confirmed by the CCP Devs and not the Game Masters, that the Logserver is beeing changed. GM's = CCP. I somewhat doubt a lead GM that I would guess likes their job will come announce some change that isn't actually happening. Again, look how stupid you are. Again, the GM's are not CCP Devs. Yes they are a part of CCP, but not Devs.

Zetjur Jilnou Rapid Deployment Industries	Posted - 2008.05.04 18:49:00 - [41] Originally by: NightmareX Again, the GM's are not CCP Devs. Yes they are a part of CCP, but not Devs. Why does that change anything? They are still representatives of CCP. You seriously have some personal issues. Need much attention?
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 18:52:00 - [42] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 18:53:08 Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou Originally by: NightmareX Again, the GM's are not CCP Devs. Yes they are a part of CCP, but not Devs. Why does that change anything? Because i feel better if a CCP Dev can confirm or deny it. And many others are probably thinking the same. Oh boi, /me loves the bears who are trying hard to defend the cheating software.
Zetjur Jilnou Rapid Deployment Industries	Posted - 2008.05.04 18:56:00 - [43] Originally by: NightmareX Because i feel better if a CCP Dev can confirm or deny it. Oh boi, /me loves the bears who are trying hard to defend the cheating software. Where did I defend it? I'm quite against it actually. I'm just happy to accept it's already been addressed by CCP. What's annoying is the attention seeking morons who keep posting about this who's life ambitions it is is to get blue bars on a thread. Why does it being a dev make any difference? Surely the only difference between CCP employees on this one would be 1) CCP employees that didn't program the fix and 2) the CCP employee that did. So what you are requesting is that the programmer that fixes this comes to the forum and personally addresses you regarding this? Seriously. Shut up. You are a terrible poster.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:08:00 - [44] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 19:08:13 Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou Where did I defend it? I'm quite against it actually. Ok good. But don't post in a way then that can make others think that you are defending BACON then. And no, i'm not a terrible poster, i'm a honest poster.
Loyal Servant Caldari Wandering Stars Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:12:00 - [45] Well, lets look at it this way. I learned of this 'bacon' the other day, from someone that advocated that I use it. So, it's basically something that reads the data from the logserver... I have not really studied it. But, if it is swiping data out of the game in real time or near real time as far as I'm concerned it's a cheat. CCP may say that it is not a cheat right now but if they can create things that sniff data from the client then I can create things that sniff from the client too. This is something that should not be allowed, not because it makes it easier for nanogankers to run around killing n00b ratters - but because you are simply not allowed and should not be allowed to create third party add-ons. That is the only reason this should be disallowed. It is also just as good using that method to create much better macro tools - it needs to stop.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:17:00 - [46] My kill rate has gone up since the introduction of BACON, and I don't even use it!! THANKS BACON!
Cori4n Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:17:00 - [47] Originally by: NightmareX Every good minded person knows that what i'm talking about here is like it should be. I know you bears will defend your cheating program because your to lazy to play the game like everyone should, so no wonder why. By bear, do you mean carebear? It's a sensible generalization, but not a correct one. I, for one, haven't shot a rat or mined an asteroid in who knows how long.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:23:00 - [48] Originally by: Cori4n By bear, do you mean carebear? Yes that's right, it's carebear.
Sunbird Huy Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:27:00 - [49] Edited by: Sunbird Huy on 04/05/2008 19:31:50 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 15:17:48 CCP have said that they are gonna do something with the Logserver, but it's not confirmed yet that it will happen. If someone from CCP can confirm in this topic that the Logserver will be changed, then i'm getting happy, and ofc this topic isn't actually needed. And also, BACON lovers can stay out of this topic. LOL...TRI don;t like BACON...must be on religious basis... no more nano-faggoTRI... And BACON is not an advantage giving, just lets u reduce the localchat window and actually see the surroundings. oh...an edit... were u guys not the ones shooting your own people without any notice? coz i am sick and tired of local channel taking a good 1/6 of my screen. and BACON is there for everyone, not just selected people. LOL...how weird u come to CCP when u don;t like something, but slap them on every other occasion
Dr Qu Caldari Gone Viking	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:30:00 - [50] I have a feeling that you are not paying enough or contribute enough to CCPs income to actually make them bother about your demands for answer. I mean, if you dont get your answer, what will you do? Quit? CCP has 30.000 other players to get income from. I find these threads to be full of hypocracy. These types of programs are not new. They existed before bacon. But did any of you muppets cry out then? No, you did not. Being quite when one guy has a gun and shoot people, but joining the 'ban guns now!' activists when 10 more gets them does not make you righteous. It makes you slightly stupid. If you had wailed, *****ed and moaned like a petulent child when just one guy had it you might never had come to the situation where the other 10 got them. Same with BACON. Whining because the little man also has the tool to save his ship that the big guys had before does not make you a hero. Two facts for you: 1) You arent paying CCP enough to allow you to demand answers from the Devs. They know it. We know it. You apparently dont know it. 2) Yelling at the top of your lungs that 'its bad' when its existed for a lot longer then this, only you didnt wrap your brain around it before, makes you a target for flame. Trying to flame proof your thread by saying its only for your opinion does not help your cause. Just a FYI. I am not for BACON. I dont use it. But I am certainly not for all the annoying people suddenly thinking they can save EVE by whining when someone publishes his or her 'cheat' software publically. As if BACON will be the end of it once its gone. Right.

NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:33:00 - [51] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 19:35:29 It's bad when more and more programs like this is beeing made to work with EVE. Don't you see that i'm only trying to stop a trend that is to make more and more apps like this? Or at least i'm trying.
Aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhh	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:38:00 - [52] ffs, this coming from the clown who was carebearing in low sec (yeah, gate camp ganks is carebearing) while the rest of LV was fighting people who actually shot back No I have never used bacon No I dont plan on using it No I dont bottom feed like TwitmareX No I cant understand how that clown got into Quam
Fantaxy Gallente Viagra Lovers	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:39:00 - [53] i have to agree on the op here, the bacon sux and it should be removed asap! and i bet most of guys replying to this thread don`t mind the bacon ccp please remove it. thanks
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:39:00 - [54] Originally by: Dr Qu 1) You arent paying CCP enough to allow you to demand answers from the Devs. They know it. We know it. You apparently dont know it. It's nightmarex, no surprise... this isn't about Bacon or grand principles, only about attention. Originally by: Dr Qu 2) Yelling at the top of your lungs that 'its bad' when its existed for a lot longer then this, only you didnt wrap your brain around it before, makes you a target for flame. Trying to flame proof your thread by saying its only for your opinion does not help your cause. Once upon a time long ago in EDF he had a very different perspective... granted, it wasn't bacon as that was hardly around yet but the same concept went around.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:41:00 - [55] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 19:44:04 Originally by: Aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhh ffs, this coming from the clown who was carebearing in low sec (yeah, gate camp ganks is carebearing) while the rest of LV was fighting people who actually shot back No I have never used bacon No I dont plan on using it No I dont bottom feed like TwitmareX No I cant understand how that clown got into Quam LOL, yeah it's coming from a player that have been a crappy carebear like 2+ years ago, but that doesn't mean i'm that today. And you had to use an alt to say that, wow.
Dr Qu Caldari Gone Viking	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:42:00 - [56] To be honest, you arent doing anything but writing a post that will attract annoyed people like me on a sunday evening. You might possibly end up drawing a GM that will lock the thread though. Other then that, you wont accomplish anything. Resistance if futile. Its futile to resist CCP allowing BACON for the time being. And it will be futile to resist CCP changing the log server to stop BACON from working. And it will be similarly futile to resist the next program popping up that will automate a part of the game without breaking the EULA. EVE is a MMORPG. I've played 4 of them. Not a single one had a good protection against third party softwares, not a single one of them weeded them out. They exist. They wil continue to exist. Some will get caught and stopped, some will not. Acting like the world is collapsing will not help at all. In the end, EVE is just a game. Even if CCP claims its a PVP game, players will always find their own playstyle within the game. Many of them will be **ed if you try to force them to play your way. And most of the time, the game developers will just stick to that one claim and then not do anything to force people to play one way or another. Again, this is also part of a MMO lifespan. The best you can do is to play with those of similar minds and accept the fact that EVE is a MMO, a Game.. a piece of software vulnerable to all kinds of things. Varied playstyles, third party unstoppable software and crazy people playing EVE with one hand and surfin ** with the other.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:45:00 - [57] All means to automate what SHOULD be player-driven parts of the game should be banned imo. With that said, bacon tastes nice.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:54:00 - [58] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 19:55:38 I at least used NightmareX to post this topic, and not use an alt to do it. Because i'm not scary of posting with my main. That was to the alt Aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhh.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:55:00 - [59] Edited by: Zeba on 04/05/2008 19:55:33 So Nightmare X what part of GM Grimmi's post about CCP not liking BACON and are in the process of changing the client to nullify its use didn't you understand?
Zetjur Jilnou Rapid Deployment Industries	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:56:00 - [60] Originally by: NightmareX I don't care if this topic gets locked or whatever. All i care about is that CCP see that WE DON'T ACCEPT 3RD PARTY APPS TO BE USED WITH EVE ONLINE. And by that i mean to get info about other REAL players when they are entering local live. No matter how you are looking at it, it's cheat and it's taking and advantage over other players in EVE. And that's bad for EVE. They already addressed that, and are changing it. What's your point? Seriously, your attention whoring is getting to a stupid level now.



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