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Cpt Lumis
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Posted - 2008.11.12 00:02:00 -
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Sorry you lost it already Yorda that sucks.
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.12 02:35:00 -
[392]
Edited by: Yorda on 12/11/2008 02:36:06
It doesn't suck when I'd insured it moments before and my alliance has already given me a new one for free!
I love making a billion for dying in a cap fight.
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Maalus Rahje
Universal Exports
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.11.16 06:54:00 -
[393]
Edited by: Maalus Rahje on 16/11/2008 06:54:53
The Naglfar needs some love. |
SickSeven
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Posted - 2008.11.16 16:57:00 -
[394]
This is one of the longest on-going 'issue threads' right now, and the only response from CCP is "we may look in to it, maybe, but only if we're in a good mood, and it's not raining, sunny, cold or hot outside"?????????
W T F IS THE POINT OF THIS FORUM AND THE CSM??????????
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Chi Quan
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.11.20 21:49:00 -
[395]
the mentioned caps do need a look into, but how about a less drastic one for the nag:
one more low, one less high, 3/3 guns/launchers
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Ceterum censeo blasters need some tracking love |
Triest
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.21 12:59:00 -
[396]
 Originally by: SickSeven
This is one of the longest on-going 'issue threads' right now, and the only response from CCP is "we may look in to it, maybe, but only if we're in a good mood, and it's not raining, sunny, cold or hot outside"?????????
W T F IS THE POINT OF THIS FORUM AND THE CSM??????????
Wait a minute, I think you might be on to something, here!
Anyway, I'm still in suspense for the big changes alluded to by Bane Glorious on scrapheap, I'm sure they're coming any moment now.
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.21 14:40:00 -
[397]
Edited by: Yorda on 21/11/2008 14:40:41
Originally by: Chi Quan
the mentioned caps do need a look into, but how about a less drastic one for the nag:
one more low, one less high, 3/3 guns/launchers
God that's a terrible change.
The worst thing about the nagflar is it's terrible CPU. If you're going to fix anything give it more cpu.
The next thing is it's dps, make it so both guns and launchers have 2 bonuses applied from the hull. Don't take away 1/4th of it's dps.
Finally it doesn't really need 6 low slots with fixed cpu, so drop a low slot and add at least 1 (preferably 2) mid slots so the shield tank doesn't suck horribly.
tl;dr: shut up stupid alt troll.
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.11.21 18:15:00 -
[398]
But haven't you heard, Minmatar ships are supposed to speed tank!
Nah, I'd like to at least see some investigation into this. |
Chi Quan
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.11.21 18:35:00 -
[399]
Edited by: Chi Quan on 21/11/2008 18:35:31
Originally by: Yorda
God that's a terrible change.
The worst thing about the nagflar is it's terrible CPU. If you're going to fix anything give it more cpu.
The next thing is it's dps, make it so both guns and launchers have 2 bonuses applied from the hull. Don't take away 1/4th of it's dps.
Finally it doesn't really need 6 low slots with fixed cpu, so drop a low slot and add at least 1 (preferably 2) mid slots so the shield tank doesn't suck horribly.
tl;dr: shut up stupid alt troll.
now come on, it's just a suggestion. this is my main (forum main, but it does not matter) for this task and i will not use another just to give other more ammo against me like "you fascist bob!" or "you dumb goon" (please, don't take this personally it's just an example)
giving 4 bonuses from the hull seems a bit much. a third non weapon related would be much more minmatar style imho. |
Temin Nevarro
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Posted - 2008.11.22 02:08:00 -
[400]
This is very much supported. Minnies need some luvin'!
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dawood koplanski
The Tet Corporation
Doom Armada
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Posted - 2008.11.22 12:27:00 -
[401]
Agree! didnt they boost caldari ships cpu or powergrid a year or so ago even tho minnie capitals were in fact more lacking? I seem to remember something along those lines could be wrong though.
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Cur
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2008.11.22 19:45:00 -
[402]
What is the point of the Naglfail other than to be outmatched by the other dreadnoughts in almost every situation?
It needs a clear strength.
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.23 20:26:00 -
[403]
Edited by: Yorda on 23/11/2008 20:36:22
Originally by: Chi Quan
now come on, it's just a suggestion. this is my main (forum main, but it does not matter) for this task and i will not use another just to give others more ammo against me like "you fascist bob!" or "you dumb goon" (please, don't take this personally it's just an example)
giving 4 bonuses from the hull seems a bit much. a third non weapon related would be much more minmatar style imho. admittedly i don't fly a nag myself, but i saw action alongside them. if you feel like the master of all things, sure, go ahead, see if more cpu alone makes the nag better.
i should also add that ccp seems to balance across races, not ship classes. so minmatar end up having overall above average small ships and overall underperforming capitals.
Sorry, figured you were just another alt troll. Pretty much all of your suggestions are a complete nerf to the naglfar.
Losing a high slot means you lose more dps on it's already sub-par dps, gaining a lowslot is completely worthless because you're starved for CPU as is and can't do anything with it.
I honestly don't know why this hasn't been brought up sooner. People use to love nags, I would imagine it was because they saw 4 high slots and figured they did 25% more damage than other dreads (maybe the incredibly strong tempest had something to do with it too). Most of these were armor tanked too so they did even less damage than the other race's counterparts.
The whole "they have good small ships so the big ships should suck" thing is really old. Take Amarr for example, they have decent inties, probably the best hacs right now (maybe the vaga is still king with the sac / zealot coming in 2nd and third), they have good cruisers, good bc's, good command ships, the recons are still pretty meh but better thanks to the nano nerf, they have amazing battleships, the best supercaps (both titans and motherships), the best dread, and all the carriers are pretty much the same. In every place apart from carriers and dictors (which all 4 races pretty much perform the same role) they are in the top or at very least can compete (recons), minmatar battleships and dread / supercaps are really sub par in every way right now (and I'd still probably fly a falcon over any other recon, and a zealot over any hac maybe that's just me though).
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Jalif
Scorpion's Sting
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Posted - 2008.11.24 21:09:00 -
[404]
you are getting my support
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Cpt Lumis
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Posted - 2008.11.30 16:29:00 -
[405]
Any word on this yet.
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NanDe YaNen
The Funkalistic
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Posted - 2008.11.30 18:39:00 -
[406]
Raise CPU
Add capital cruise launchers to complement torp launchers.
Make capital cruise/torp launchers follow the pattern of non-capital.
Naglfar can suddenly pack highest or near highest close range DPS with largest falloff (traditional advantage of mini close-range gear) giving them the best engagement capability at non-sniping ranges i.e. we cyno'd right on top of a cap blob.
Also, by reducing the need for sensor boosters etc for hitting sniping range, midslots can be focused on tank. Save one low for backup sensor array or just a PDU or cap gear for extra tank.
Pulse Revelation is so-so and Blaster Moros is merely theoretical without a very good cyno opportunity. Close range Phoenix would be quite a bit better off. Currently there is no launcher to differentiate Phoenix loadouts.
Pheonix gets a faster main capital weapon (easing the pain of slow citadel torps) and still has dumb citadel torps for hot-drop ambushing at close range. To balance the DPS if it's going to come out too high, do some PG tweaking on citadel launchers such that the Phoenix comes up about 5% short and can sacrifice a damage mod for a PDU and get a little bit more tanking as well.
With the Naglfar, capital cruise/arty would just be a PG swap for capital torp/AC's, leaving it with enough grid for either setup. Having the extra CPU given back by cruise launchers would also help with the extra CPU required by arties, so it'd be a tight but doable fit in either stance.
Finally, the Mini hull with split weapons would actually have some versatility that isn't code-word for sub-optimal. Easier requirements of capital cruise launchers and added CPU would take away the fitting pain for long-range setups. Close range setup would have lots of falloff to minimize impact of being out of optimal, allowing it to have consistent, superior close-range DPS to any other dread. Capless weaponry leaves it with full cap for burst tanking into the loving arms of carriers.
I would fly that Naglfar. It would still be sub-par in long-range setups, but not ridiculous like it is. It would in return rock more than any other dread in close-range hot-drops. |
Lanais Suleia
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Posted - 2008.12.01 02:36:00 -
[407]
Originally by: Cur
What is the point of the Naglfail other than to be outmatched by the other dreadnoughts in almost every situation?
It needs a clear strength.
Its clear strenght is being so useless that it's rarely primaried. 
But yes, split weapon systems for the fail. |
Cpt Lumis
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Posted - 2008.12.04 20:06:00 -
[408]
Does anyone know when the next CCP meeting will be?
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.09 05:50:00 -
[409]
Originally by: NanDe YaNen
Raise CPU
Add capital cruise launchers to complement torp launchers.
Make capital cruise/torp launchers follow the pattern of non-capital.
Naglfar can suddenly pack highest or near highest close range DPS with largest falloff (traditional advantage of mini close-range gear) giving them the best engagement capability at non-sniping ranges i.e. we cyno'd right on top of a cap blob.
That's not really enough, it needs more dps to be atleast close to the other dreads and it needs a better tank. Double weapon bonuses built into the hull, a cpu boost, and one or two midslots are what it needs at bare minimum.
Originally by: Lanais Suleia
Originally by: Cur
What is the point of the Naglfail other than to be outmatched by the other dreadnoughts in almost every situation?
It needs a clear strength.
Its clear strenght is being so useless that it's rarely primaried.
But yes, split weapon systems for the fail.
I'm always primaried  Aside from pos shots I don't really know why though.
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Cpt Lumis
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Posted - 2008.12.10 14:30:00 -
[410]
Lets not let this topic die. i would really like to see something done about this.
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Triest
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.10 15:07:00 -
[411]
Originally by: Cpt Lumis
Lets not let this topic die. i would really like to see something done about this.
There's no point in bumping it. The topic has already been mentioned to CCP, they've done their typical 'we might look at it, maybe' response, and that's that. CSM have done their job (such as it is), and now we wait a couple years for CCP to actually do something themselves. If they want to.
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Asterisk Grat
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.23 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Triest
There's no point in bumping it. The topic has already been mentioned to CCP, they've done their typical 'we might look at it, maybe' response, and that's that. CSM have done their job (such as it is), and now we wait a couple years for CCP to actually do something themselves. If they want to.
I suggest we employ a CSM member to revive this topic in form of a follow up with CCP to provide us with more details at the very least.
CSM members, sign up button is that way 
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.23 21:05:00 -
[413]
IIRC they said they were going to lump this in with an upcoming capital review in general so don't hold your breath.
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mucklavee
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.28 05:29:00 -
[414]
seriously hurry up frackin ccp, by the time you make up your mind i can be piloting a revelation and a phoenix sheesh! us minmatar pilots want answer neow!!!!
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rapta
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Posted - 2009.01.07 01:03:00 -
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How we got the point that pretty much every player in eve knows the nag does poor dps, has the worst tank, costs the same amount of money and requires more training than any other dreadnought without a fix ill never know. I guess it just sneaks up on you  .
Probably discussed before but I think its also important to mention that dreadnought is a natural progression for a lot of pilots that are serious about flying a good well skilled, well fitted battleship. Needing AWU 5 for a lot of fits Bs 5 and the opposing gunnery/ missile skills to be a very good battleship pilot means youÆre already some of the way there. I would hate to see people seeing turning away from high end minmatar battleship skills because they feel they are wasted skill time in regards to long-term progression.
full support for a buff.
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Asterisk Grat
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.07 16:47:00 -
[416]
CSM members, stop slacking, we have a job for you.
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2009.01.08 01:44:00 -
[417]
/me sign
Quote:
Neu Bastian
Valklear Guard - CEO
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pc dude
Ghosts of Ragnarok
True Reign
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Posted - 2009.01.08 02:39:00 -
[418]
a boost will mean I won't break down and crosstrain the entire amarr skill trees ( and still be combat effective in rev almost as soon as nag being a well skilled minmatar bs pilot ) |
Stock Broker
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Posted - 2009.01.08 04:38:00 -
[419]
Edited by: Stock Broker on 08/01/2009 04:37:54
Support!
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Phelix Jung
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Posted - 2009.01.08 07:03:00 -
[420]
Don't give me the short straw when it has taken about a year of my life to get one lol
Give minnie caps some lovin' |
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