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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:56:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 09/06/2008 05:56:49
A lot of the criticism that was established prior to the CSM was indeed justified during this meeting.
The way Jade kept ignoring members of the council who didn't agree with him and muted Inanna because of stupid reasons(Which he is YET to justify btw) was just pathetic.
I understand that you guys aren't happy. But I'm NOT happy either. But I hope you understand that these issues are caused by certain individuals either. Some of us DID try to recover that cluster****. But we were merely ignored by the chairman.
EDIT: Spelling 
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:57:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
This'll be real funny when they meet in person. I wanna see the video of the guys in their 30s yelling across the table at the 14-year-olds, especially the little girly boy who has the gavel.
Oh dear. The visual of that has me almost in tears. 
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
This'll be real funny when they meet in person. I wanna see the video of the guys in their 30s yelling across the table at the 14-year-olds, especially the little girly boy who has the gavel.
Since I'm effectively the youngest council member, I fully approve of this. 
But I think there will be more order in Iceland. The way we conduct meetings now is HIGHLY ineffective. I believe if we used eve voice or the like, things would be much more orderly.
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Domania
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:00:00 -
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[ 2008.06.08 21:54:33 ]Jade Constantine >Inanna I'll ask you to stop making false accusations about being kicked and blocked too.
O NOM NOM NOM NOM!!!!!!
Time to vote and find new people! Everyone in favor, say aye or nay or you can just abstain! 
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Sicil Fioet
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:02:00 -
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from that convo i carried that these meetings aren't going to work well with the current chaiman being jade ...
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fuze
InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:02:00 -
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CSM members are still getting settled in so the first meetings are supposed to be pointless.
The point is that if all these people meet in RL it will change for the better.
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
The way we conduct meetings now is HIGHLY ineffective. I believe if we used eve voice or the like, things would be much more orderly.
This must be recorded when it happens. MUST I say. 
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: LaVista Vista
The way we conduct meetings now is HIGHLY ineffective. I believe if we used eve voice or the like, things would be much more orderly.
This must be recorded when it happens. MUST I say.
CCP is able to record serverside with Vivox's EVE Voice. So that shouldn't be too hard.
While I'm not a big fan of eve voice, it's much better than text-based. Only issue I see is editing out secret information and quoting the meeting for future reference.
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LetsDoThis
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:19:00 -
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Jade constantine is roleplaying as if hes in front of congress.
That will never, ever work. There is no "have the floor" in a chat room.
Heres what you guys do. Heres yet another freebee that I really need to stop giving out but hay i'm used to being exploited \o/
Use a forum to separate the topics into their own threads.
You post a complete thought without interruption.
You don't all have to be logged in at the same time.
And when it comes time to hold a "meeting", for god sake use voicechat.
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Illaria
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:28:00 -
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Edited by: Illaria on 09/06/2008 06:28:43
I really don't understand why the meetings have to be chat based. Chats aren't suitable tools for communicating and discussing complex matters.
Why isn't there a internal forum for the CSM. Though forums are also used for trolling, they at at least sometimes come up with something productive, while I still have to witness something worthwhile being discussed in chats.
Also a forum would have numerous advantages. Instead of having a set date on which all participants have to attend, you could set a time window for discussion and a deadline for votes.
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 09/06/2008 06:28:43
You cant effectively hold a 'meeting' with 7 people on a chat program.
What else is new today?
Rain is wet? Front of a train is stronger than your head?
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Illaria
I really don't understand why the meetings have to be chat based. Chats aren't suitable tools for communicating and discussing complex matters.
They get free trips to Iceland. We get some comedy and drama. Voice chat would multiply the hilarity tenfold, but honestly I don't have five hours to listen in on a voice meeting between those clowns!
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Keeves
Sexy Pirate Club
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:50:00 -
[43]
voice comm's anyone?
(gratz to all the people who voted in Jade; brilliant)
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:53:00 -
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Wait, i didnt check entire chat log, but i didnt see wall of text. This can only mean one thing. The jade in the chat is an imposter
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.09 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Spineker on 09/06/2008 07:08:04
I voted for you Vista because of your post on the forum and what you wanted to do. You need to drag some stability in there. Plus you have the balls to come here and post that is worth something too.
Ahh it feels good to yell at a rep. 
Or we can just pod them over and over.
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Xparky
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.09 07:11:00 -
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USE VOICE !!!
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Level4
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2008.06.09 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Level4 on 09/06/2008 07:24:43
New teams go trough 5 stages during their lifecycle...
as explained here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forming-storming-norming-performing
At this stage it feels like the CSM team is in the storming stage... these things take time, just be patient folks, if we can wait 3 months for an economic newsletter from CCP, surelly we can give the CSM a bit more time to resolve their differences.
for those who dont like clicking on links
Quote:
Storming
Every group will then enter the storming stage in which different ideas compete for consideration. The team addresses issues such as what problems they are really supposed to solve, how they will function independently and together and what leadership model they will accept. Team members open up to each other and confront each other's ideas and perspectives.
In some cases storming can be resolved quickly. In others, the team never leaves this stage. The maturity of some team members usually determines whether the team will ever move out of this stage. Immature team members will begin acting out to demonstrate how much they know and convince others that their ideas are correct. Some team members will focus on minutiae to evade real issues.
The storming stage is necessary to the growth of the team. It can be contentious, unpleasant and even painful to members of the team who are averse to conflict. Tolerance of each team member and their differences needs to be emphasized. Without tolerance and patience the team will fail. This phase can become destructive to the team and will lower motivation if allowed to get out of control.
Supervisors of the team during this phase may be more accessible but tend to still need to be directive in their guidance of decision-making and professional behavior.
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.09 07:33:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Sicil Fioet
from that convo i carried that these meetings aren't going to work well with the current chaiman being jade ...
QFE
from that log its seems like he/she is a condisending arogant **** :D
(yes i know i spelled it wrong bite me)
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Johnathan Roark
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 07:35:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Xparky
USE VOICE !!!
It wont help, have you ever been in a voice chat meeting with Jade? Its about the same as him having op.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.09 07:36:00 -
[50]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 09/06/2008 05:56:49
A lot of the criticism that was established prior to the CSM was indeed justified during this meeting.
The way Jade kept ignoring members of the council who didn't agree with him and muted Inanna because of stupid reasons(Which he is YET to justify btw) was just pathetic.
I understand that you guys aren't happy. But I'm NOT happy either. But I hope you understand that these issues are caused by certain individuals either. Some of us DID try to recover that cluster****. But we were merely ignored by the chairman.
EDIT: Spelling
Normally I rail against all LVV posts, but this one is good. If you weren't such a carebear I might have voted for ya.
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Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:19:00 -
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sounds like par of the course for jade atleast someone is calling him out on his ******** ****.
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Batwigg
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:26:00 -
[52]
Wait, people are surprised that Jade Constantine is a giant, bleeding female reproductive organ?
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Araviel
Epic.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:55:00 -
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yes they need to get a forum,, text chat isnt gonna work :\
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:58:00 -
[54]
So did they just not adopt a parliamentary procedure at all?
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.06.09 09:04:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Quelque Chose
So did they just not adopt a parliamentary procedure at all?
I'm pretty sure they did, trying to sort through the chatlogs, I'm pretty sure they basically have a parliment where the chair is a 12 year old kid who can stop anyone who disagrees with him from talking
Oh well, we all knew that the csm were never actually going to be able to change anything, at least now we get a few laughs out of the whole debacle
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Plave Okice
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.06.09 09:06:00 -
[56]
Self important tedious c**ts
Did any of you really expect anything else?
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JS LiamElms
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 09:21:00 -
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they should simply vote an arbitrating member. Democracy rules even if members are not keen on the arbitrator, the group as a whole voted for that one person.
or if you want to get pragmatic, you could always vote 3 arbitrators that vote to move on or continue a pointless discussion.
second, this really does sound like they simply need time to adjust and adapt to each other. but have a single strong headed person chairing the meetings will only disrupt enough for everyone else to walk out. The chair's role should really be that of a listener to ideas and interpret those into a group understanding, by pushing his or her own ideas is never going to work if people do not trust the chair.
Chair should be voted in, by other members not take senior role due to popularity contest.
I have not read through all the chat logs or the CCP guidelines for running the meetings (i hope they have them!) But i am sure the mature members of the council can set these simple situations up. Contemplating with a perpetuate kid trying to push he/her ideas will make the whole process a shambles and never move on from this 'stage'.
BUT REMEMBER.... YOUÆRE MEANT TO BE A VOICE FOR THE PLAYERS!!! YOUR OPINIONS SHOULD NOT BE PUSHED IF IT IS NOT REPRESENTED BY THE EVE POPULATION!
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Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.06.09 09:26:00 -
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Why can't I just read the PDF in Tahoma or Arial?
Copied it and moved it to notepad. :|
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.06.09 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Why can't I just read the PDF in Tahoma or Arial?
This frankly. I changed the font to Arial and it went from 67 pages to 42
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Haakon Jarl
direkte
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Posted - 2008.06.09 09:40:00 -
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lol what did you expect? Just read these forums and all the kneejerk thread and replies and you will see that Jade constatine is a great ambassador for this community. Even WOW has a more mature community than EVE these days.
Sad thing is, people like Hardin are trying to do a good job gets overshadowed by ********s such as seen in that chatlog.
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