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Jamie Hara
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:12:00 -
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After reading the logs from the latest CSM meeting it seems like some of the council members are acting like immature children and muting and kicking each other from the channel where the meeting was held. What are these people doing on this council if they have to resort to kicking and muting in order to solve conflicts  .
You would expect these people to at least behave like adults and be able to talk to each other without kicking people  .
I guess CCP will have to continue to communicate with their customers using these forums instead since this CSM thing obviously isn't working.
You can't really blame CCP though. They didn't vote for the candidate(s) that obviously aren't up to the task of acting like adults.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:15:00 -
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Wild speculation : could it be that the "kicking and muting" was generally done by two, maybe three particular CSM members ? 
Nope, haven't listened to it yet, so I'm just asking.
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DubanFP
Four Rings
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:15:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 09/06/2008 04:15:37
lol, i'd be a liar if i said i was surprized. Just look at the forums. Also it would be a good idea to post a link the the chatlog here though.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Jamie Hara
After reading the logs from the latest CSM meeting it seems like some of the council members are acting like immature children and muting and kicking each other from the channel where the meeting was held. What are these people doing on this council if they have to resort to kicking and muting in order to solve conflicts .
You would expect these people to at least behave like adults and be able to talk to each other without kicking people .
I guess CCP will have to continue to communicate with their customers using these forums instead since this CSM thing obviously isn't working.
You can't really blame CCP though. They didn't vote for the candidate(s) that obviously aren't up to the task of acting like adults.
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[ 2008.06.08 19:33:39 ]Jade Constantine >**************************
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:19:00 -
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ROFL. So it begins.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
As of this moment zero issues have been formally transmitted to CCP in the format of a submission template.
HELLS YES. Keep up the good work, Jade Constantine. If you continue to put forth no issues I'll actually vote to keep you in, bro.
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Jamie Hara
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:25:00 -
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[ 2008.06.08 21:36:58 ] EVE System > Inanna Zuni was muted by Jade Constantine., Effective until 2008.06.08 22:06:57, Reason: "till the vote".
[ 2008.06.08 21:44:06 ] EVE System > Inanna Zuni was muted by Jade Constantine., Effective until 2008.06.08 21:14:05.
I posted this thread here because I wanted to bring attention to the eve community that this could have a negative affect on the relationship between CCP and their customers.
For the people who do not know what the CSM is
The CSM consists of nine player-elected representatives of the community. Members of the Council are to meet regularly with CCP staff in Iceland to relay the most pressing matters from the community and to take CCP's decisions back to the player base.
Jade Constantine and Inanna Zuni are elected council members of the Council of Stellar Management.
Hope this helps.
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Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:28:00 -
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Where can we see logs like you stated?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:29:00 -
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Question : where the hell are those chatlogs ?
I can't seem to find them quickly where I looked for them, and since you already read them you could probably point me in the right direction faster.
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jamie Hara
For the people who do not know what the CSM is
Tbqfh who your rep is is irrelevant as your going to get moar done by using the tried and true forum route than some dodgy council members 'influance'. 
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Where can we see logs like you stated?
not a trojan or rick roll
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:30:00 -
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http://www.eve-csm.com/meetings/chatlogs/20080608councilofstellarmanagementlogs.rtf
I'm reading them right now. So far it's pretty lulz.
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
http://www.eve-csm.com/meetings/chatlogs/20080608councilofstellarmanagementlogs.rtf
I'm reading them right now. So far it's pretty lulz.
OMG. And these guys get a free ticket to Iceland?! WTF I knew I should have ran. 
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Sicil Fioet
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:36:00 -
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people just voted for someone who they like/know, it is hard to determine someone's ability to debate effectively within a group if you personally haven't had discussions with that player
in my experience discussions within a group can get more productive over time as people get to know each other better and may be adopt a better framework for discussions
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cal nereus
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: cal nereus on 09/06/2008 04:51:38
It's still better than many democratic institutions... which isn't saying much, but that's democracy for you. I'm just glad that they aren't agreeing too much. It's better for the CSM to have a wide variety of different and opposed opinions and personalities than for them to all be the same and agree with each other. We'd have real trouble then...
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Jaun Xiou
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Posted - 2008.06.09 04:59:00 -
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You get what you deserve.
People ignored that fact that forum *****s like jade constantine had numerous Bans for disruptive forum trolling. And ignored that fact that she single handedly destroyed an alliance through Manipulation and disruptive behaviour.
This is what you all deserve for not bothering todo research. I never had any hope that this CSM council would achieve anything,and once i saw the elected members i had a chuckle.
Will the next CSM be any different?
Probably not, people are lazy, and will allways vote for the persons name they remember, the one that theve seen post the most Forum threads
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:04:00 -
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[ 2008.06.08 19:47:50 ]Bane Glorious >i just want to talk about spaceships please
This is after nearly two hours of them talking about themselves and arguing like children! I haven't even read to the part where they mute each other yet...
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cal nereus
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:06:00 -
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From what I've read, the majority of issues they've voted on have been passed unanimously or close to it. They just haven't had much time to do anything, that's all.
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DubanFP
Four Rings
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 09/06/2008 05:08:23
See if you think that this meeting was bad imagine the next meeting when several of them enter it with a chip on their shoulder.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:12:00 -
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Ok like right now they are talking about whether an abstain counts as a no or not. And it is hilarious because some of these people claim to have been in real life meetings when it is pretty obvious that they don't know simple voting rules.
Abstain votes do not count towards the majority. You should not be allowed to have your physical presence counted toward the constitution of a quorum and at the same time be allowed to deny in effect, your official presence by a failure to vote.
I could go on and on, but man I can't believe the CSM got that one wrong. Oh man, just rofls.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, so according to the CSM and CCP 3 votes aye and 4 abstains = fail? Wtf is that? Have you heard of the roberts rules or order? Have you looked up abstain in the dictionary? Abstain vote is an oxymoron, abstain means not to participate. It's like a working holiday. Wtf is that, are you working or are you on holiday. It's nutty.
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Sha'Aryn
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:20:00 -
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I don't see a problem. They're functioning as effectively as any other R/L political enterprise.
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:24:00 -
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[ 2008.06.08 21:24:42 ]Serenity Steele >/emote signals to anyone reading the chat logs, that they may want to do something more productive with their life as this discussion comes up again.
This is 3.5 hours in...
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LetsDoThis
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:27:00 -
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*Looks at IRL politics.*
*Is not surprised.*
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:30:00 -
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How is this different from any other government?
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YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:30:00 -
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Surprise, surprise!
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Mystri
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: log of CSM meeting (Page 44)
[ 2008.06.08 21:35:52 ]Jade Constantine >Innana I'm giving you a second formal warning for this session for interruptions and interfering with the process of the chair
[ 2008.06.08 21:36:09 ]Jade Constantine >Now then:
[ 2008.06.08 21:36:11 ]Inanna Zuni >and what do you mean by that?
[ 2008.06.08 21:36:14 ]Hardin >what is a formal warning?
[ 2008.06.08 21:36:19 ]LaVista Vista >I'm sorry Jade?
[ 2008.06.08 21:36:21 ]Inanna Zuni >"Formal warning" is a misnomer
[ 2008.06.08 21:36:25 ]Darius JOHNSON >Your warnings don't mean a thing FYI
[ 2008.06.08 21:36:36 ]Inanna Zuni >and how can I be interrupting when I am completing what i type?
[ 2008.06.08 21:36:58 ]EVE System >Inanna Zuni was muted by Jade Constantine., Effective until 2008.06.08 22:06:57, Reason: "till the vote".
[ 2008.06.08 21:37:04 ]Ankhesentapemkah >Some order please.
You couldn't make this stuff up.
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Originally by: log of CSM meeting (Page 49)
[ 2008.06.08 22:02:28 ]LaVista Vista >This is a waste of everybody's time
[ 2008.06.08 22:02:33 ]Jade Constantine >yes it is
[ 2008.06.08 22:02:33 ]LaVista Vista >And I have an exam tomorrow.
[ 2008.06.08 22:02:40 ]Serenity Steele >Move to close. Discuss this in CAOD where it belongs.
[ 2008.06.08 22:02:43 ]Darius JOHNSON >Let's just mute everyone and move on
At least something was established... 4 hours later.
I hope Eve-TV records the meeting in Iceland, i do enjoy a comedy.
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: Big Al on 09/06/2008 05:37:56
CSM in joke status shocker.
Seriously, no one cares, otherwise they wouldn't have voted based the appeal of a woman's car.
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The Ubernomicon
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:47:00 -
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Edited by: The Ubernomicon on 09/06/2008 05:47:35
Originally by: Big Al
Edited by: Big Al on 09/06/2008 05:37:56
CSM in joke status shocker.
Seriously, no one cares, otherwise they wouldn't have voted based the appeal of a woman's car.
I voted for her because of all obvious rump shots.
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An Anarchyyt
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:52:00 -
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I want to point out that I 100% am happy with darius JOHNSON, my elected representative.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.06.09 05:55:00 -
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This'll be real funny when they meet in person. I wanna see the video of the guys in their 30s yelling across the table at the 14-year-olds, especially the little girly boy who has the gavel.
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