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Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:24:00 - [121] MotherMoons said it all quite well. Eve is a sandbox, and anyone can do anything anywhere. Yes, there are consequences and rules of engagement - some of which are not fair to one side - but so what? If a FW Corp puts up a tower, RA can war dec that Corp. There is no 'immunity' for FW players in the area under contest. There is not difference between FW trying to hold/mine a region and anyone else doing it. A FW Corp could provide free ships to its members with moon mining profits, for example. This would be in direct support of FW and RA would have a mechanism for fighting back. The same could be done by Piewrats or any other organized group. Most importantly, conflicts in this area are SUPPOSED TO REDRAW THE MAP. That is the very definition of alliance invasions/warfare. It does not matter WHO is in the area currently: one Faction wants to own it and another Faction (RA in this case) wants to defend it. The fact that FW is mostly T1 noobs getting their first taste of actual PVP: Well, that is what it was designed for. If anyone should be afraid of that it should be Goons. Now another group will willingly organize and train low-skilled players in the art of PVP. Previously, unskilled people only had the choice of joining Goons or Ivy League. Now they have 4 more Militias to join. Also, look at this from the Piewrat angle: What is different between FW groups dominating a system and a strong Piewrate group camping the gates all the time? And if RA or any other alliance dropped a few capitals into a Piewrat gatecamp, would the result be any different? Think the Piewrats would choose not to shoot because they didnt' want to get involved in Alliance politics? Of couses, as a Gallente, all this is an acedemic discussion as the Calderi are all scum anyways.
Nachshon Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:43:00 - [122] This could backfire badly. Imagine if the Redswarm Federation sides with the Minmatar and Gallente? Man, I always thought that this could happen. Factional warfare eventually leads to one giant war all across New Eden.
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:00:00 - [123] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war confused reply Mother, do you misunderstand? or not read it all. Fraction warfare is a declared war between 4 NPC corps with a bot to guide the skermishes between them, its thier PRIVATE WAR, just like between two alliances composed of just 2 corps each. It takes place in low sec where low sec rules apply, so..... If you pose a threat to someone else you get dealt with, business as usual.. If your weaker and make n easy kill to ease someones lust, fine, its business as usual in low sec pew-pew. Camping a gate for security/ganking in low sec goes on everyday somewhere in new eden, i've pod flown home or been rectivated at base by lowsec gate camps obliterating me just because i was there, and its normal for system POS owners and inhabitants to try and remove others gatecaming thier systems as it interferes with thier business. FW carries all the disadvantages of low sec living because its set there, NPC Milita's have to learn to co-exist with whoever begins to establish POS's in that Region. Remember those Corps/Alliances have to ensure they have enough of all four Empire Starbase Charters at all times to keep them anchored there or conversly they can manipulate who has sovereignty of they system and ensure it stays that way using low sec mechanics. NO NPC corps have an agenda, ppl are in them for lots of reasons, FW's 4 NPC Milita Corps have only a single reason, FW, they are not a normal NPC corp thats why contested space is low sec, its a penelty because of there united effort on a sole purpose, fighting and killing FW Milita enemies for sovereignty, killing stuff for medals, ISK etc. All, i'm saying is its low sec at normal, BUT Milita members have to realise that low sec is set at normal so even though they can't be war dec'd they can be set KOS by anyone. Milita members must be thoughtfull of what they do in role play mode outside of the set stuff in FW as it could have much larger effects that break FW or have all POS's banned from contested systems where FW is set. ...... continues overleaf.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:00:00 - [124] Originally by: Princess Jodi ...If anyone should be afraid of that it should be Goons. Now another group will willingly organize and train low-skilled players in the art of PVP. Previously, unskilled people only had the choice of joining Goons or Ivy League... Hey wait a minute, halt the ignorance wagon, inspection time! We've almost exclusively recruited out of the box, not one princess though and so I imagine a lot of decent corporations have. Argue the sanctioned warfare and ownership of moons all you want but keep the apples and oranges in different baskets still. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Trojanman190 Altruism. Malice.	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:04:00 - [125] Edited by: Trojanman190 on 13/06/2008 16:06:25 If RA wants to make life difficult for the caldari militia RA will make life VERY difficult for the caldari militia. Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Princess Jodi ...If anyone should be afraid of that it should be Goons. Now another group will willingly organize and train low-skilled players in the art of PVP. Previously, unskilled people only had the choice of joining Goons or Ivy League... Hey wait a minute, halt the ignorance wagon, inspection time! We've almost exclusively recruited out of the box, not one princess though and so I imagine a lot of decent corporations have. Argue the sanctioned warfare and ownership of moons all you want but keep the apples and oranges in different baskets still. I thought to be a goon you need to be ont eh something awful forums.
Beef Hardslab Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:09:00 - [126] Surprise! FW affects anyone that wants to get in the way. The FW lowsec regions are going to be bloody warzones, and anyone that waves their peen around in them are likely to lose a few inches. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
WulfWestphal Niflhel	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:10:00 - [127] Originally by: Kaishain The problem is that the people you attack does not have conventional means to retaliate on the militias. RA CAN NOT cut you off from your money supply. They can't wardec you and fight the problem by attacking YOUR logistics or missionsrunning which fuels the gatecamps. are you dense? the militias cant do it either. the militias cant just go into 0.0 and attack RA systems there uncontested. furthermore the militias cant even attack RA hi-sec support/missionrunning/logistics (if there is any). so what the heck is your point? the fight takes place in low sec. and there was fight way before FW so just STFU. ---
Yarr2K 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:17:00 - [128] Originally by: Nachshon This could backfire badly. Imagine if the Redswarm Federation sides with the Minmatar and Gallente? Man, I always thought that this could happen. Factional warfare eventually leads to one giant war all across New Eden. Yes and then CVA joins the fray. Tbh I think it would rock if all the 0.0 guys joined in and made low sec even more chaotic than it is now. Us FW guys don't care. We have billions in our fat mission runner alts pockets and can sustain hostilities for as long as is needed. Good Bless you CCP for finally brining us Faction Warfare and all the empire cannon fodder it drawn out of the woodwork. I see nothing but win so far on all fronts.
Meteor Crash	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:17:00 - [129] This thread is delicious in many ways.
Hugh Hefner Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:19:00 - [130] RA is going down! Well alot of ppl will have more fun atleast
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:24:00 - [131] Originally by: Talsha Talamar Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 13/06/2008 15:14:30 Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 13/06/2008 15:11:59 Originally by: Brainless Bimbo ... they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?. No they are not. Its lowsec, you can jump in a capital fleet if you want, Oh and bimbo, since you do not have brains, at least show your balls and post with your main. Talaha Talamar, i don't know how to say this, but this is my main, ballsy enuf? Oh! wait a sec, you say i have no brains and say exactly what i said!!!! Originally by: Brainless Bimbo ......even though they can't do anything but use normal low sec game mechanics by just setting Caldari Strike Force to flashing red/kill on sight.[/u] Next time to avoid embarassment, read the whole thing, stop, understand, and only then start tapping your keyboard. ...... continues overleaf.
pu nani	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:25:00 - [132] Those of us from BoB in the Caldari Malitia WILL DESTROY ALL RA CAPz lulz!
Hohne Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:28:00 - [133] RA are hopeless allies and much more fun to shoot. Speaking as someone who had them for an ally for over a year and shot them for several months too, not speaking like Jakke is being 1 month old. Their home systems ARE undefended and very easy to get kills in sure you're not going to walk in and knock over towers, but that's just no fun. Shooting their very extensive network of industrialists is quite feasible and fun. They're running logistics from the drone regions to pure blind and feyth. That gives alot of things to shoot. LoL at the people that think this is a bad thing for FW. LOL at the people who don't know you can't DD in lowsec (especially those in alliances that have several titans and still don't know). It's the same as it ever was. If you have assets, you are open to attack by ANYBODY, if you don't have assets sitting in a danger zone you can't be hurt no matter how big and scary the alliance is. I can quite expect RA can muster enough people to defend a moon. But I can also expect the FW guys can go and put it in reinforced twice a week just for lols. They're in LOWSEC, you don't need to wardec them to shoot them, no one does. And as soon as someone puts a tower on the moon, you can be wardecced. No one in the militia can put up a POS, so they can't threaten RA's actual sov systems, all they can do is knock down towers in lowsec. Wow, big deal. It may mean that alliances struggle to hold territory at opposite ends of the map as well as all of lowsec. I can't see how this is a bad thing for anyone.
Talsha Talamar Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:32:00 - [134] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Talaha Talamar, i don't know how to say this, but this is my main, ballsy enuf? ... Oh! wait a sec, you say i have no brains and say exactly what i said!!!! Should I have actually misunderstood the intention of your post, I apologize, your name might have played a little role in this...
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:37:00 - [135] I don't know if anyone said this, but moons in systems less than .4 (where the minerals are) do not need charters. So that is stupidly irrelevant.
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:41:00 - [136] Originally by: Talsha Talamar Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Talaha Talamar, i don't know how to say this, but this is my main, ballsy enuf? ... Oh! wait a sec, you say i have no brains and say exactly what i said!!!! Should I have actually misunderstood the intention of your post, I apologize, your name might have played a little role in this... LOLzzz, its ment too. ...... continues overleaf.
raidnkill Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:41:00 - [137] Since Caldari militias are attacking RA towers Do Gallente Militias have to defend it for RA?
Superbull Net 7 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:43:00 - [138] Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Yuri Tsukimoto [i] The problem is that the people you attack does not have conventional means to retaliate on the militias. RA CAN NOT cut you off from your money supply. They can't wardec you and fight the problem by attacking YOUR logistics or missionsrunning which fuels the gatecamps. Umm... wardecs mainly interfere with logistics because everybody is addicted to Jita. If you get away from Jita, or pick a new pipe into empire, wardecs dont mean hardly squat.
Miz Cenuij	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:45:00 - [139] How i laughed. The russians tried to pirate the militia and got owned, losing 3 carriers. The militia then got even more payback on the russian POS. Simple as that. LOL @ the Rusaians. "Men are going to die... and i'm going to kill them"
Sayuri Deathbringers	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:51:00 - [140] Haha Classic, CM > RA
Talsha Talamar Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:24:00 - [141] Originally by: Reaver One Now if, on the other hand, the RA wants to actively HUNT Caldari Militia members wherever they may be, then the Militia will be able to make life VERY difficult for the RA. We will develop tactics that take advantage of our status as a military arm of the state, play to our high security status and engage in a protracted guerilla war, because...um...we're a MILITARY ARM OF THE #%&@^*& STATE. Exactly my point too, an all out war would probably result for RA in an Afghanistan in Space :)
Pr1ncess Alia Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:31:00 - [142] Originally by: mynnna Originally by: Drenan Edited by: Drenan on 13/06/2008 13:41:54 ZOMG! The Goons are rattled and confirming their status as RA pets...FW really is going to to be the start of something big...rather than something awful. Keep dreaming. "The Goons" are laughing. Very, very hard. I KNOW THE GOONS ARE LAUGHING SO HARD RIGHT NOW AND POASTING they dont "get" the goons. THE GOONS KNOW WHAt you dont, dont mess w/ RA, RA is the best, i love RA, RA is awsome!!! lol, rofl, lol, the goons dont even care about any of this we just laugh lol and laugh and dont take any of this game seriously we are just playing goons in space
Sayuri Deathbringers	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:37:00 - [143] A+ post needs more smileys. Beaches love the smileys.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:42:00 - [144] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war (FW) went and did low sec behaviour like life as normal, they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?. RA needs the moon, that a new one was available meant that they could compensate for thier recent loss to BoB without too much of a fight if any. As an Alliance they are doing that right, all they have to make sure of is who has sovereignty of the system, after all they have to PAY the Faction who has sovereignty for the right to have POS there don't they or are the Charters just Eye Candy in the LP stores?. Now while they had fun they forgot that they have now also endangered every other member of that Milita to unprovoked attack now as its possible RA has declared war even though they can't do anything but use normal low sec game mechanics by just setting Caldari Strike Force to flashing red/kill on sight. Is it now in the interest of RA to ensure the sovereignty of the system never falls to the Caldari Milita as some of its members want to play Alliance politics at the same time as FW? Wow the whole post is totally wrong. Which, I am sorry to say, justifies totally your name.
Viqtoria Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:46:00 - [145] has a goon said we're never going to be allowed to build up in lowsec again? 'cos that's kinda the direction their smack is heading . Heaven forbid a load of pvp nubs fight a superior foe using nothing but blobs and t1 ships, i mean, no other group has done that and survived amirite.
SARPIDON State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:56:00 - [146] I really hope someone ' in charge ' has thought this through.
Blue Charlo	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:56:00 - [147] Your sarcasm is biting and funny.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:57:00 - [148] god, so many 0.0 alliance chars whining ITT. i love it.
Aldee Federated Holdings	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:04:00 - [149] I got to hand it to CCP... they wanted to get more ppl out into low sec and found a way to get it done.
Machanara State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:05:00 - [150] Edited by: Machanara on 13/06/2008 18:10:07 Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Kaishain I think CCP should let alliances wardec militias OR disable militias from attacking "normal" players. Maybe CCP will, but then they would make it so that wardeccing alliances will be shot down in high-sec space by faction policy just as FW faction players would, effectively barring said alliances from a large part of high-sec. Why should militia pilots have that luxury in high sec when the appearantly can interfere with others business just like anyone else? When the militias decides to attack assets of outsider corps they should NOT have any protection from NPCs or gamemechanics. They should play on an even field. Man, don't you smell of an RA alt...shessh! Post with your main and THEN we can have a meaningful conversation about your RA and militias. Until then, go crawl back to your 0.0 rock and stay there.. edit- Oh! And the gall of people to WHINE about being shot in low-sec space over POS and whatnot!!! ROFL!! I did state it was LOW-SEC SPACE, right?? RA thoguht they were bad-ass and they got stompped and now they want to wine about it!! Typical Russians.... You cant have 0.0 AND low-sec space so you better pick which you want......and this is EXACTLY why CCP did not want Alliances in FW!! Point and match.

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