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Ulstan
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:54:00 -
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Quote: Does this mean the Caldari Militia forces FC's are using there blobs for 0.0 politik ?
No, it means RA is using their carriers for low sec piracy.
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:58:00 -
[182]
FW: bringing empire chars into CAOD |
musgrattio
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:10:00 -
[183]
Good to see that FW is messing around, doing what they shouldn't be. You need to remember that RA has 2 things going for them, isk and tenacity. Luckily for FW, it's hard for them to use either of those things against you. I just hope you don't show up in caracals and ospreys to kill the tower when the time comes :) Also, many 0.0 entities are watching this development with interest, I think we will see the time when RA hotdrops FW forces only to find themselves hotdropped. Protecting poses in low sec can be a nightmare, especially for alliances who rely on supercapitals to a great extent. |
Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:12:00 -
[184]
Since topic starts to become kinda pointless anyway, i might as well announce that gallente militia did poor imitation of caldari militia and destroyed one pirate carrier. |
FlameGlow
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Chillen
Your exactly correct, but it doesnt change the fact that the majority of RA has plenty of alts, and im sure they would be willing to form a corp on behalf of the gal militia if it aids their defence of the moon. 0.0 can being boring at best some times, you've given then a new avenue to have fun. Will be interesting to see what they do.
Nah, it's better still to join Caldari militia instead and reanchor POS with one of them alts. Voila, as gallente would say, POS is guarded by a caldari blob most of the time, so are its haulers/refuelers
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Zaller
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:25:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Jim Bridger Hi, I'm Jim Bridger. I'm an empire guy. I don't know squat about alliance politics or "the rules". Nor care.
After a few days in FW it's clear to me that popular FW fleet commanders are going to wield the power (inside their area of operations) of old-fashioned barbarian kings. People like me will flock to their banners so long as they are winning and making the fleet operations fun. And we pretty much will follow them anywhere, and shoot at whatever they tell us, so long as it stays fun.
Last night FC Boromir (not sure about spelling so I gave him the heroic one) screwed up and told us all to jump through a gate that turned out to lead into Gallente highsec. We jumped. <<-- this is the key information in this story.
He cursed, apologized, organized our withdrawal under Gallente faction navy fire, stood at the gate tanking the Navy until he had all his peeps out that were getting out, and promised to take care of the (astonishingly few) casualties. He's an instant legend for taking down the RA carriers, he will have a hundred-man blob to play with any night he cares to say "x up" in Nourv local. We, the newbs of the Caldari militia, will follow him anywhere and shoot what he tells us. We won't care about the politics, because we've got nothing to lose and because it's fun.
There will be other FCs like him. They will be accountable to no one but the people in their blob. Their power will ebb and flow, but the good ones will always have a fleet. And the more famous they are, the more expensive will be the ships people will be willing to risk under their command. I've been bringing T1 thrashers because that's what I can afford to lose forever. But my effectiveness has been low. I'm starting to think, what can I bring that this FC needs and will use?
My advice for the alliance diplomats? Identify the popular FCs and bribe them, or reach an accomodation. Boromir would (I'm just guessing) love to have a thousand fitted t1 cruisers sitting in a hangar in Nourv -- the alliance who delivered that would get a lot of consideration from him during FW operations, I'm guessing.
I was skeptical about FW, but the more I see of it, the more delighted I get. CCP has upset the applecart in lowsec, but done it in a way that leaves lots of room for delightful chaos, astonishing events, and epic fun.
This post wins the thread. You just convinced me to take a trip to empire to check this fw stuff out. It sounds amazing
I also find it ironic that the way fc's gain followings/power in FW, seems to be the same way fc's gain followings/power in my 0.0 alliance (from my limited experience).
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Elison Muerte
The Halibuts
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:36:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Jim Bridger Hi, I'm Jim Bridger. I'm an empire guy. I don't know squat about alliance politics or "the rules". Nor care.
After a few days in FW it's clear to me that popular FW fleet commanders are going to wield the power (inside their area of operations) of old-fashioned barbarian kings. People like me will flock to their banners so long as they are winning and making the fleet operations fun. And we pretty much will follow them anywhere, and shoot at whatever they tell us, so long as it stays fun.
Last night FC Boromir (not sure about spelling so I gave him the heroic one) screwed up and told us all to jump through a gate that turned out to lead into Gallente highsec. We jumped. <<-- this is the key information in this story.
He cursed, apologized, organized our withdrawal under Gallente faction navy fire, stood at the gate tanking the Navy until he had all his peeps out that were getting out, and promised to take care of the (astonishingly few) casualties. He's an instant legend for taking down the RA carriers, he will have a hundred-man blob to play with any night he cares to say "x up" in Nourv local. We, the newbs of the Caldari militia, will follow him anywhere and shoot what he tells us. We won't care about the politics, because we've got nothing to lose and because it's fun.
There will be other FCs like him. They will be accountable to no one but the people in their blob. Their power will ebb and flow, but the good ones will always have a fleet. And the more famous they are, the more expensive will be the ships people will be willing to risk under their command. I've been bringing T1 thrashers because that's what I can afford to lose forever. But my effectiveness has been low. I'm starting to think, what can I bring that this FC needs and will use?
My advice for the alliance diplomats? Identify the popular FCs and bribe them, or reach an accomodation. Boromir would (I'm just guessing) love to have a thousand fitted t1 cruisers sitting in a hangar in Nourv -- the alliance who delivered that would get a lot of consideration from him during FW operations, I'm guessing.
I was skeptical about FW, but the more I see of it, the more delighted I get. CCP has upset the applecart in lowsec, but done it in a way that leaves lots of room for delightful chaos, astonishing events, and epic fun.
i was in that fleet too, i joined minutes after the carrier take down, give it a few months and make a post 'were you in the RA carrier killing fleet?' and more that 160 people will claim they were |
Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:05:00 -
[188]
Sadly I was not in that fleet until several hours after the carriers. I have never seen a carrier. I expect that to change shortly. |
Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:07:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Kaishain Also why is it that to you, them attacking us in FW areas where they have no business is ok but when we attack back its suddenly wrong?
I don't say it is wrong for you to attack them. I say it is wrong that they don't have the ability to retaliate in a way that they would (possibly) retaliate on any other entity attacking them.
RA can build titans and moms, control 0.0, claim sov...etc. If they are ****ed about losing an hour or two worth of their dysp income, they can join a militia to fight against the Caldari, or HTFU and accept that their actions will have consequences when they open fire on pilots flying as members of an NPC empire. |
Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:14:00 -
[190]
I just wish it would've been done by the Gallente, because as funny as the kills are, if RA feels like it, and doesn't mind risking tons of standing hits with the State, they're going to take this calm period of ISK raking they have and use it to just completely storm the Caldari systems and kill every militia person they find.
As fun as FW is, I really don't feel like having to wonder if one of those Gallente FW guys I'm shooting is fit with a cyno ready to help RA hotdrop on us, or if that nice target is bait for a logonski. |
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Is it now in the interest of RA to ensure the sovereignty of the system never falls to the Caldari Milita as some of its members want to play Alliance politics at the same time as FW?
Tama is in the citadel, it belongs to the Caldari already. It's the Gallente that'd have to take it from us... |
Falcon Troy
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:16:00 -
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I don't know why people are whining about this. FW is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing: Shaking things up. We have new players getting the courage to go out and wreck some PVP havoc. 3 RA Carriers got popped by a blob of noobs in cruisers and frigates, for the most part. I think the Caldari have the numbers to actually fight multiple fronts and it gives Alliances the opportunity of using the Militias as allies for their own ends.
I think it's all great fun, enjoy it. |
Newsflash
NorthUnited
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:16:00 -
[193]
is this whole threat full of RA alts or why the major whinage? hell i think RA have just about ******* enough moons in their greedy hands allready, so i think this is only right and fair.
GO caldari! |
Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Troy I don't know why people are whining about this. FW is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing: Shaking things up. We have new players getting the courage to go out and wreck some PVP havoc. 3 RA Carriers got popped by a blob of noobs in cruisers and frigates, for the most part. I think the Caldari have the numbers to actually fight multiple fronts and it gives Alliances the opportunity of using the Militias as allies for their own ends.
I think it's all great fun, enjoy it.
It's almost like RA finally had to fight Goonswarm for a change isn't it? *rimshot*
They said FW was supposed to be a stepping stone from high sec to 0.0. I'm not sure this is quite what they were thinking of, but I'd have to say there's some indication of success in this. |
Ron Bacardi
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:29:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Ron Bacardi on 13/06/2008 22:29:29 whoops, wrong thread. |
Aren Evalin
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:14:00 -
[196]
This is going to be hilarious.
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Halkin
Locus Solus
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:31:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Viqtoria .. main
nothing to see here, move along
Originally by: Elise Randolph Everybody wins when trolls get trolled.
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Halkin
Locus Solus
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:38:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Kaishain Baltec:
1. RA attacked US first, with it being our main line of reinforcements it has a very good defencive force.
Doesn't matter. An organised entity interfered with established logistical routes and that's viewed as a hostile act anywhere else in Eve.
2. Up untill that point I have seen no RA or in fact any other corp/allience haulers being attacked on that gate.
Doesn't matter. The mere fact of a large armed group on a low-sec gate hinders any player with any 0,0/low-sec experience from passing thru in a normal fashion. This IS a hostile act.
3. RA dont own that system
Up until now eve-pleyers have been able to claim systems to different degrees and have had the means to enforce this to different degrees. If the militias had been a normal corp you would probably face a wardec and take hits in your high-sec activities and logistics.
4. One of the RA carriers left unharmed because it did not open fire, only the ships that attacked us were considered targets.
Read above doesn't matter.
5. I have run into lots of RA gangs taking on FW pilots in the contested systems and INSIDE capture zones.
Doen't matter.
Is it any wonder that we consider them a hostile target?
So the mlitias should get the benefits of normal corps in combat without having to deal with the drawbacks of facing retaliation?
You should be able to attack and destroy assets that your FC's decide but the attacked groups shouldn't be able to get back to you in normal ways?
this whole post doesnt matter, what are you some kind of fan boi? either way lots of ppl seem to be having fun
Originally by: Elise Randolph Everybody wins when trolls get trolled.
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Halkin
Locus Solus
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov Soon, the muggles will learn why you do NOT **** WITH THE RUSSIANS.
Even being an ally with them we still know who not to **** with (pst, Russians).
did someone rattle the cage?
Originally by: Elise Randolph Everybody wins when trolls get trolled.
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Yarr2K
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:43:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Yarr2K on 13/06/2008 23:44:40
Originally by: Halkin
Originally by: Kaishain lulz
this whole post doesnt matter, what are you some kind of fan boi? either way lots of ppl seem to be having fun
Exactly. Threats of bringing more ships for the FW fleets to shoot at isn't exactly going to be a deterent. This is what we want them to do.
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kablesky
Locus Solus
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:45:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war (FW) went and did low sec behaviour like life as normal, they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?.
RA needs the moon, that a new one was available meant that they could compensate for thier recent loss to BoB without too much of a fight if any. As an Alliance they are doing that right, all they have to make sure of is who has sovereignty of the system, after all they have to PAY the Faction who has sovereignty for the right to have POS there don't they or are the Charters just Eye Candy in the LP stores?.
Now while they had fun they forgot that they have now also endangered every other member of that Milita to unprovoked attack now as its possible RA has declared war even though they can't do anything but use normal low sec game mechanics by just setting Caldari Strike Force to flashing red/kill on sight.
Is it now in the interest of RA to ensure the sovereignty of the system never falls to the Caldari Milita as some of its members want to play Alliance politics at the same time as FW?
Wow the whole post is totally wrong.
Which, I am sorry to say, justifies totally your name.
Enlighten me and others, wrong in what way,
NPC Milita's have private war (FW), valid everywhere, correct? Anyone can attack anyone in low sec and they do all the time, correct? RA cannot war dec a NPC corp, correct?
RA needs replacement moon as they lost one 2 weeks ago, correct? RA took advantage of new systems to find moon and set up POS as its Cheap, NO WAR to gain a moon, correct? RA have to pay Starbase Charters to anchor thier POS in low sec, correct?
Agro'n Corps and Alliances in low sec usually get some form of redress in some way on a corp basis (aka war dec), correct? RA can use normal low sec mechanics to avenge any loss of face with flashing red/kill on sight, correct?
What ever Empire owns a system is a concern of RA as they pay Starbase charters to them, correct? RA may have a preference of owners, they may hold a grudge, we don't know what they are thinking thats why its a speculative question.
OK where am i wrong?
Stupid is a stupid posts
this post is not entirely correct
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Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:07:00 -
[202]
Originally by: kablesky
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war (FW) went and did low sec behaviour like life as normal, they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?.
RA needs the moon, that a new one was available meant that they could compensate for thier recent loss to BoB without too much of a fight if any. As an Alliance they are doing that right, all they have to make sure of is who has sovereignty of the system, after all they have to PAY the Faction who has sovereignty for the right to have POS there don't they or are the Charters just Eye Candy in the LP stores?.
Now while they had fun they forgot that they have now also endangered every other member of that Milita to unprovoked attack now as its possible RA has declared war even though they can't do anything but use normal low sec game mechanics by just setting Caldari Strike Force to flashing red/kill on sight.
Is it now in the interest of RA to ensure the sovereignty of the system never falls to the Caldari Milita as some of its members want to play Alliance politics at the same time as FW?
Wow the whole post is totally wrong.
Which, I am sorry to say, justifies totally your name.
Enlighten me and others, wrong in what way,
NPC Milita's have private war (FW), valid everywhere, correct? Anyone can attack anyone in low sec and they do all the time, correct? RA cannot war dec a NPC corp, correct?
RA needs replacement moon as they lost one 2 weeks ago, correct? RA took advantage of new systems to find moon and set up POS as its Cheap, NO WAR to gain a moon, correct? RA have to pay Starbase Charters to anchor thier POS in low sec, correct?
Agro'n Corps and Alliances in low sec usually get some form of redress in some way on a corp basis (aka war dec), correct? RA can use normal low sec mechanics to avenge any loss of face with flashing red/kill on sight, correct?
What ever Empire owns a system is a concern of RA as they pay Starbase charters to them, correct? RA may have a preference of owners, they may hold a grudge, we don't know what they are thinking thats why its a speculative question.
OK where am i wrong?
Stupid is a(s) stupid posts
this post is not entirely correct
I know, they know and we know you know.
I'm a nb, didn't realise that moon mining POS's have to be in 0.3 and don't need charters, but hey gotta learn some way about this stuff without trawling the appropiate forum or trying to build one (lol).
Oh and i forgot that s in the last line ...... continues overleaf. |
Skydiver88
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:45:00 -
[203]
anyone know what system this is in?
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Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.06.14 06:16:00 -
[204]
Requesting update!
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.14 06:41:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Skydiver88 anyone know what system this is in?
Tama i believe (since that system is 90% of the time occupied by caldari fleets)
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Space Shifter
Virulence. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.14 07:57:00 -
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It's not hard to figure out. Poke the BEAR too many times or hell any large alliance. That you start messing with there 3+ bil per month income. It tends to draw a response
Would not be to fun to find 400 ra + goonies Sittin in your Faction warfare playground...
With that said i kinda doubt the RA Logistics lines were messed up. As we have these new toys called Jump Freighters! :) thank you CCP We loadem up in jita pop a cyno at the pos and wham jumpfreighter appears at the tower no goin through gate camps nothin.... so to hear that the FW guys were threating some large alliance's Logistics lines is just rubbish.... now for the smaller corps / alliances that have to run haulers through this i can see it is a problem... as the Faction warfare Guys Depending on what FC is there seem to attack unprovoked...
My Gang who were only hunting Flashies and not the FW guys in tama were attacked after a FC with the Faction warfare asked for a 1v1 he took our can at the gate as not to loose sec status and when he drake started going down alot faster then he expected he called for his Gang to go global and attack us.... was funny too see 1/4 of there fleet getting owned by the gate guns.... while trying to attack a BS fleet we lost 1 raven out of the deal got about 10 + kill's and had a blast picking them off one at a time as they warped back to the gate still blinkin away and there buddies sittin at planet 1 waiting out there global....
Btw hope the FC is happy he was ordering the poding of a few alts we kept sending to planet 1 to keep the sec status dropping... :) bet that brutix pilot likes his new low sec life for the next few months with that sexy -6.7 sec status :) sure he's not the only one...
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skogg
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Posted - 2008.06.14 08:13:00 -
[207]
Oh wait, you guys were the silly failliance guys in local last night...
It was a few more than 1 BS, maybe you should get your guys to post losses accurately.
Consider yourself training drones, like seriously...
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Space Shifter
Virulence. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.14 08:18:00 -
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Edited by: Space Shifter on 14/06/2008 08:19:01
Originally by: skogg Oh wait, you guys were the silly failliance guys in local last night...
It was a few more than 1 BS, maybe you should get your guys to post losses accurately.
Consider yourself training drones, like seriously...
ROFL.... Bring something to the table m8 instead of the silly smack talk that was spewing from you guys last night....
Plain and Simple we were not there for you guys last night only the Flashy's You attacked unprovoked
and yes my mistake 110 V about a 11 man fleet you guys got 2 BS and a BC the BC jumped in 10 min after the initial fight just to score a few kills on all the blinkies in local :)
Also keep laughing... as we came out with a 91% eff for the fight
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El'Niaga
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.14 08:28:00 -
[209]
Okay if the militias are going to engage in alliance warfare the alliances need the power to declare war on them...
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Space Shifter
Virulence. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.14 08:33:00 -
[210]
Originally by: El'Niaga Okay if the militias are going to engage in alliance warfare the alliances need the power to declare war on them...
To say the truth CCP would never allow that and for reason's i can see as you would have priviteers decking them 23/7 and a few others. It would turn FW into a pile of crap at that point... Yes it does need some tweaking and i'm sure you will see ccp in the next few patches make some changes but as for being able to deck them as a whole.. i just see to many bad effects comming out of that.... Remember alot of these guys are alts so you can always look at the employment history and go cause a world of pain on there mains who are sittin back in hi-sec or 0.0 enjoying the easy life :) they have moons too......
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