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Lady Valory Caldari Strike Force	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:22:00 - [1] After their stunning success in downing 3 RA carriers, the Caldari militia blob decided to go on the attack. First, they got organized and moved 20 of their 180 person blob into ospreys. 2nd they formed a caracal gang of 40 caracals. The remaining ships were just the same rag tag militia. The alliances have left medium and large moon mining towers all over the new low sec region. These towers are defended but not deathstars. Once the entire blob warped into the pos, the Russians didn't have a fleet OR more than one pos gunner. The pos killed 37 t1 ships before the ospreys got their act together. The stront was well timed, so tune back in in two days to see if the caldari militia can follow up on their stunning victory yesterday. Also, once the militia blobs get their act together, will ANY pos really be safe in the new region? If the alliance move fleets to guard their new pos's will their deep space 0.0 pos's start to wither on the vine as no one cares enough to maintain deep space when their is such a need 40 jumps away to defend the new pos's? STAY TUNED!!!!!!!!!
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:24:00 - [2] Lol... Caldari has declared war against RA?
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:24:00 - [3] Buhahahhahahahahhahahhahahhahahaa Way to go caldari!
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Inertial Lol... Caldari has declared war against RA? /war
Winters Chill 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:26:00 - [5] o7 Im seriously thinking of signing up for a tour in the protectorate, shame they have so many already.
Elirel	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Inertial Lol... Caldari has declared war against RA? Hahaha, reinforced.. right... lets see what you do when it comes out of reinforce... Ever fought blob of capitals?
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:28:00 - [7] Edited by: Shadowsword on 13/06/2008 11:29:31 Reinforcing a POS is easy. I suspect you'll find the act of actually finishing that pos a bit harder. I sense a doomsday blast coming your way pretty soon. :)
Morgan La'Chance Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Shadowsword Reinforcing a POS is easy. I suspect you'll find the act of actually finishing that pos a bit harder. Not as if RA would struggle to get a dozen or so battleships with carrier/logistic support to nuke them if a POS was seriously threatened. Enjoy the success while it lasts, militiamen! :)
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:31:00 - [9] Screw the Federation, stick it to RA and their horde of russian minions.
dookes THE BLACK RAGE	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:32:00 - [10] Its low sec, can't use DDD there.

Xparky Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:34:00 - [11] You're in for some serious pain if they intend to keep those moons.
Viqtoria Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:37:00 - [12] as my main is a proud member of the caldari forces I would rather continue to curbstomp the gallente and minmatar than get curbstomped by RA when they decide to prove a point. seriously who the ** thought it would be a good idea to start annoying RA? And as a faction milita why do we even give a ** about moons?
Scrutt5 Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:39:00 - [13] I do hope this isn't the start of thousands of pointless threads informing the community of each little op that turns out to be a success.
AKULA UrQuan Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:39:00 - [14] Looks like there is a place for bored 0.0 dread pilots to use their toys. Don't even need to destroy the tower. Just renforce them ever few days. Really screws with production.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:39:00 - [15] The Caldari Militia is the new BoB!
Xparky Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:40:00 - [16] On the other hand, if the target is there why not hit it? From stuff I've read on the forums people use mainly t1 ships with t1 fittings .... So why not hit RA if they're here, what's the worse that could happen ? More targets ?
Waxau Unus - Vir Exercitus	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:40:00 - [17] Originally by: dookes Its low sec, can't use DDD there. Ofcourse. And my covert ops isnt supposed to cloak.
FomkA Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:41:00 - [18] reserved
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:42:00 - [19] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan Looks like there is a place for bored 0.0 dread pilots to use their toys. Don't even need to destroy the tower. Just renforce them ever few days. Really screws with production. This, just make moonmining hell there for anyone not supplying you with free ships.
Von Druid Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Shadowsword Edited by: Shadowsword on 13/06/2008 11:29:31 Reinforcing a POS is easy. I suspect you'll find the act of actually finishing that pos a bit harder. I sense a doomsday blast coming your way pretty soon. :) I, too, would like to see a doomsday in lowsec.

Wen Johen	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:43:00 - [21] Originally by: Viqtoria as my main is a proud member of the caldari forces I would rather continue to curbstomp the gallente and minmatar than get curbstomped by RA when they decide to prove a point. seriously who the ** thought it would be a good idea to start annoying RA? And as a faction milita why do we even give a ** about moons? why revenge obviously, didn't RA try to use some carriers on your guys earlier?
Delekhaji 30 ounces	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Viqtoria as my main is a proud member of the caldari forces I would rather continue to curbstomp the gallente and minmatar than get curbstomped by RA when they decide to prove a point. seriously who the ** thought it would be a good idea to start annoying RA? And as a faction milita why do we even give a about moons? Valid point you know, you might want to heed them, I mean how often is it that a Caldari even has** a point?? Might be a great idea to listen to him, its possible the last one he will have ....ever
Space Shifter Virulence. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:46:00 - [23] now the funny part will be if they actully get a set and come back to finish the job.... Hey RA can I Buy Tickets to Watch the Pretty Light SHOW I Smell Burning Drakes in the Future...
Kaishain	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:46:00 - [24] So the militia is engaging in normal conflicts but have the luxury of not being able to get wardecced? How can non-FW corps and alliances retaliate when militias decides to screw with their business?
Mirana Niranne Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:47:00 - [25] Originally by: Waxau Originally by: dookes Its low sec, can't use DDD there. Ofcourse. And my covert ops isnt supposed to cloak. No he's right. You CAN NOT fire off a DDD in lowsec. It's 0.0 only. just like dictor bubbles and SB Bombs.
Yatta I	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:48:00 - [26] I have lost respect for RA due to the course of events over the past few days. first, some RA gang showed up in caldari lowsec (different lowsec, not the current FW region), and started picking random pub targets. i dont know if this is a regular OP or what, but what is different doing this compared to a random pirate corp conducting lowsec gatecamp? then, RA dropped 4 of their carriers in tama for unexplained reason, but the outcome is clear: they interfered with FW and lost 3 carriers. now, they set up a POS in FW region for again, unexplained reason. whatever they are doing, they are interfering with FW, something that CCP has continuously stated in devblog that they want to keep clear with alliances.
Shade Millith Knights Of the Black Sun Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Yatta I I have lost respect for RA due to the course of events over the past few days. first, some RA gang showed up in caldari lowsec (different lowsec, not the current FW region), and started picking random pub targets. i dont know if this is a regular OP or what, but what is different doing this compared to a random pirate corp conducting lowsec gatecamp? then, RA dropped 4 of their carriers in tama for unexplained reason, but the outcome is clear: they interfered with FW and lost 3 carriers. now, they set up a POS in FW region for again, unexplained reason. whatever they are doing, they are interfering with FW, something that CCP has continuously stated in devblog that they want to keep clear with alliances. After what the militia's done to RA, I don't think we should be too worried about it
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Yatta I I have lost respect for RA due to the course of events over the past few days. first, some RA gang showed up in caldari lowsec (different lowsec, not the current FW region), and started picking random pub targets. i dont know if this is a regular OP or what, but what is different doing this compared to a random pirate corp conducting lowsec gatecamp? then, RA dropped 4 of their carriers in tama for unexplained reason, but the outcome is clear: they interfered with FW and lost 3 carriers. now, they set up a POS in FW region for again, unexplained reason. whatever they are doing, they are interfering with FW, something that CCP has continuously stated in devblog that they want to keep clear with alliances. Uh, lowsec isn't reserved for FW you know. If you want valuable moons you're going to need to work for them like everyone else in the game. The real question is if these guys are focusing on RA, what's the difference between a militia and just another alliance?
Yatta I	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Kaishain So the militia is engaging in normal conflicts but have the luxury of not being able to get wardecced? How can non-FW corps and alliances retaliate when militias decides to screw with their business? I see it as RA screwing the business between Gallante and Caldari.
revilot the united	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:52:00 - [30] Fortunately for you, POS's cannot be logged off . Good luck.

Sokratesz Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:54:00 - [31] Ahahaha go caldari
Kaishain	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Yatta I Originally by: Kaishain So the militia is engaging in normal conflicts but have the luxury of not being able to get wardecced? How can non-FW corps and alliances retaliate when militias decides to screw with their business? I see it as RA screwing the business between Gallante and Caldari. By camping gates frequently used by alliance logistics you can say that it was you who interfered with RA bussiness. Unlike in High-sec one doesn not simply trust others not to engage. RA can't trust the 50 FW guys sitting on Tama-Nouv gate not to engage their multi billion haulers. I think CCP should let alliances wardec militias OR disable militias from attacking "normal" players.
Bai ZongTong	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Yatta I Originally by: Kaishain So the militia is engaging in normal conflicts but have the luxury of not being able to get wardecced? How can non-FW corps and alliances retaliate when militias decides to screw with their business? I see it as RA screwing the business between Gallante and Caldari. By camping gates frequently used by alliance logistics you can say that it was you who interfered with RA bussiness. Unlike in High-sec one doesn not simply trust others not to engage. RA can't trust the 50 FW guys sitting on Tama-Nouv gate not to engage their multi billion haulers. I think CCP should let alliances wardec militias OR disable militias from attacking "normal" players. ALL of the FC I've seen so far go with the policy of no shooting neuts unless: 1. flashing red 2. the neut are tailing the fleet for unexplained reasons (most likely trying to pick lone kills of slow warppers) 3. being aggroed first. from what I've heard and seen, the RA carriers aggroed on the militias FIRST. either the alliances need to start trusting militias or **** like this will continue to happen. btw, the militias didnt pick the regions to fight in. it was CCP's decision to use these region for FW.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Kaishain So the militia is engaging in normal conflicts but have the luxury of not being able to get wardecced? How can non-FW corps and alliances retaliate when militias decides to screw with their business? RA started it. They decided to camp one of our main gates with 3 carriers (5 showed up in total). I dont think they expected the kind of responce they got though
Merdaneth PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:01:00 - [35] Originally by: Kaishain I think CCP should let alliances wardec militias OR disable militias from attacking "normal" players. Maybe CCP will, but then they would make it so that wardeccing alliances will be shot down in high-sec space by faction policy just as FW faction players would, effectively barring said alliances from a large part of high-sec.
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Yatta I Originally by: Kaishain So the militia is engaging in normal conflicts but have the luxury of not being able to get wardecced? How can non-FW corps and alliances retaliate when militias decides to screw with their business? I see it as RA screwing the business between Gallante and Caldari. By camping gates frequently used by alliance logistics you can say that it was you who interfered with RA bussiness. Unlike in High-sec one doesn not simply trust others not to engage. RA can't trust the 50 FW guys sitting on Tama-Nouv gate not to engage their multi billion haulers. I think CCP should let alliances wardec militias OR disable militias from attacking "normal" players. It's lowsec you know ... it's supposed to be like that ... It was a pool of sharks before, now a whole lot of piranhas were added to the mix ... it's natural there will be parts of shark skin floating around ...
Kaishain	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Kaishain I think CCP should let alliances wardec militias OR disable militias from attacking "normal" players. Maybe CCP will, but then they would make it so that wardeccing alliances will be shot down in high-sec space by faction policy just as FW faction players would, effectively barring said alliances from a large part of high-sec. Why should militia pilots have that luxury in high sec when the appearantly can interfere with others business just like anyone else? When the militias decides to attack assets of outsider corps they should NOT have any protection from NPCs or gamemechanics. They should play on an even field.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:06:00 - [38] Where is said tower? I would like to come and watch the show.
Steve Celeste	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:07:00 - [39] Originally by: Pan Crastus The Caldari Militia is the new BoB! Must be because we planned all this at a BBQ.
Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:07:00 - [40] This is why it was stupid for CCP to exclude alliances from factional warfare. They will be involved, but not in any constructive way. Also, never **** off the Bear. And I hope they hotdrop caps all over the place and make faction warfare unplayable. Something like this HAS to happen to force CCP to either pull or fix faction warfare.

Kaishain	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:08:00 - [41] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Kaishain So the militia is engaging in normal conflicts but have the luxury of not being able to get wardecced? How can non-FW corps and alliances retaliate when militias decides to screw with their business? RA started it. They decided to camp one of our main gates with 3 carriers (5 showed up in total). I dont think they expected the kind of responce they got though Maybe it was you who started it when the militia decided to camp one of the RA's logistical highways? That would be seen as a hostile act in any other case. RA most certainly tried to secure the gate for logistics, got attacked and then had a few POSs reinforced. WHY sholdn't they be able to retaliate on the militias like any other corp? You are getting involved in classic eve-politics and you should face retaliation by classic means, not under the protection of gamemechanics and faction NPCs.
Murrukan	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:10:00 - [42] Edited by: Murrukan on 13/06/2008 12:09:50 BOB alts are commanding Factional Warfare fleets! *Puts on tinfoil hat
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Kaishain I think CCP should let alliances wardec militias OR disable militias from attacking "normal" players. Maybe CCP will, but then they would make it so that wardeccing alliances will be shot down in high-sec space by faction policy just as FW faction players would, effectively barring said alliances from a large part of high-sec. Why should militia pilots have that luxury in high sec when the appearantly can interfere with others business just like anyone else? When the militias decides to attack assets of outsider corps they should NOT have any protection from NPCs or gamemechanics. They should play on an even field. Why should alliences who have no place in FW camp the main stargate used by the caladri militia with carriers?
Bai ZongTong	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:10:00 - [44] Originally by: Jakke Logan This is why it was stupid for CCP to exclude alliances from factional warfare. They will be involved, but not in any constructive way. Also, never **** off the Bear. And I hope they hotdrop caps all over the place and make faction warfare unplayable. Something like this HAS to happen to force CCP to either pull or fix faction warfare. I totally agree with you. RA seriously needs to cut this crap. I have a funny feeling that BOB pilots are laughing their ass off seeing RA in this situation. The next thing we might see is RA escalating the war against militias with BS and cap fleets, then BOB coming to support the caldaris. or worse... a multi-way chaos between two alliances (BOB, RA) and two faction militias (Caldari, Gallante)
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:13:00 - [45] More likely BoB don't care and neither does RA
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:13:00 - [46] Funny, I don't see any RA whining about it here, maybe because they will just deal with it in game rather than crying about it on forums. Its good to see a faction fleet bringing it to RA, i'm sure the red army will give as good as it gets in future battles.
Kaishain	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:15:00 - [47] Originally by: baltec1 Why should alliences who have no place in FW camp the main stargate used by the caladri militia with carriers? Because it is a part of NORMAL EVE GAMEPLAY. One does camp a gate if it is deemed necessary for logistics. If attacked one SHOULD be able to retaliate by normal means. RA has been in Tama way before factional warfare hit. They've hauled stuff back and forth for a very long time before you guys started to camp the gates. Now, when they want to secure the gate to be able to continue with their business they get attacked by an entity protected by gamemechanics and NPCs. You engaged in a normal eve conflict and should therefore risk the consecuences of normal eve conflicts.
Cuthbert Drake	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:16:00 - [48] Originally by: Kaishain RA most certainly tried to secure the gate for logistics, got attacked and then had a few POSs reinforced. WHY sholdn't they be able to retaliate on the militias like any other corp? You are getting involved in classic eve-politics and you should face retaliation by classic means, not under the protection of gamemechanics and faction NPCs. Sorry, what? Is that why three carriers went all red flashy, flashy against our fleet, and the fourth one didn't? The one that we didn't agress because he wasn't flashing? And you're saying we attacked them? Why did carrier number 4 get away then, if we attack everything indiscriminately, tell me that?
albert camus Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:18:00 - [49] Dont ** with the russians, end of. Ccp need to fix mechs so Ra can retaliate without cons. You really are sealing your fate by **ing off the hardest working alliance in the game
Mirana Niranne Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:18:00 - [50] Originally by: Jakke Logan This is why it was stupid for CCP to exclude alliances from factional warfare. They will be involved, but not in any constructive way. Also, never **** off the Bear. And I hope they hotdrop caps all over the place and make faction warfare unplayable. Something like this HAS to happen to force CCP to either pull or fix faction warfare. If RA did that, what would it do to their core system defenses out in 0.0? Though I'm sure if RA REALLY wanted a piece of lowsec, there would be some other alliances in 0.0 who would be willing to take over management of a few systems.

Verite Rendition F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:18:00 - [51] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 13/06/2008 12:20:52 Originally by: Yatta I Edited by: Yatta I on 13/06/2008 11:49:54 I have lost respect for RA due to the course of events over the past few days. first, some RA gang showed up in caldari lowsec (different lowsec, not the current FW region), and started picking random pub targets. i dont know if this is a regular OP or what, but what is different doing this compared to a random pirate corp conducting lowsec gatecamp? then, RA dropped 4 of their carriers in tama for unexplained reason, but the outcome is clear: they interfered with FW and lost 3 carriers. now, they set up a POS in FW region for again, unexplained reason. whatever they are doing, they are interfering with FW, something that CCP has continuously stated in devblog that they want to keep clear with alliances. I think RA should just take the recent course of event as a series of accident before general publicity starts working against them. Uhh, there's really nothing to explain. RA likes Dysprosium and Promethium moons. If you had some 10/10 complexes, they'd probably take those too. Anyhow, best of luck to the Caldari Militia, I don't think anyone would mind RA not having a few low-sec moons for once.
Kaishain	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Cuthbert Drake Sorry, what? Is that why three carriers went all red flashy, flashy against our fleet, and the fourth one didn't? The one that we didn't agress because he wasn't flashing? And you're saying we attacked them? Why did carrier number 4 get away then, if we attack everything indiscriminately, tell me that? The siege of a known logistical highway executed by an organisated group IS a hostile act. You attacked RA first, even tho it may never have been you intention.
Yuri Tsukimoto	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:21:00 - [53] Why should militia pilots have that luxury in high sec when the appearantly can interfere with others business just like anyone else? When the militias decides to attack assets of outsider corps they should NOT have any protection from NPCs or gamemechanics. They should play on an even field. Because we are an armed branch of the State. And Governamental violence is Legal. Ahem. =) Jokes aside, what¦s the huge difference from the previous mechanics ? - The fights happen in low-sec/null-sec (Where the bold players that decided to abandon the carebear safety of empire go) - There is no attack on alliance proprety in high-sec. - All alliances can join and have their politics to halt/attack Militia spread in their area of operations. - And no, the npcs are not going to help us in low-sec. What¦s next ? A request for concord help in low-sec for the victims of milita exploit ? It¦s not different from before. Except that the ones that ran to empire from pirates, decided to gather and go hunting
Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:22:00 - [54] Edited by: Jakke Logan on 13/06/2008 12:23:44 Originally by: Mirana Niranne Originally by: Jakke Logan This is why it was stupid for CCP to exclude alliances from factional warfare. They will be involved, but not in any constructive way. Also, never **** off the Bear. And I hope they hotdrop caps all over the place and make faction warfare unplayable. Something like this HAS to happen to force CCP to either pull or fix faction warfare. If RA did that, what would it do to their core system defenses out in 0.0? Though I'm sure if RA REALLY wanted a piece of lowsec, there would be some other alliances in 0.0 who would be willing to take over management of a few systems. You think RA doesn't have enough of a fleet to dispatch a T1 frigate/cruiser blob without leaving their home systems unprotected? The best way to deal with RA is to leave them alone. Poke them in the eye, and watch the fun begin. I'm looking forward to this. I don't see RA leaving cap losses unavenged. The Russians are awesome to have as allies, terrifying as enemies. Since this serves my goal of destroying faction warfare in order to force CCP to save it, I'm looking forward to it.
Xparky Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:24:00 - [55] Originally by: Jakke Logan You think RA doesn't have enough of a fleet to dispatch a T1 frigate/cruiser blob without leaving their home systems unprotected? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Yuri Tsukimoto	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:27:00 - [56] Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Cuthbert Drake Sorry, what? Is that why three carriers went all red flashy, flashy against our fleet, and the fourth one didn't? The one that we didn't agress because he wasn't flashing? And you're saying we attacked them? Why did carrier number 4 get away then, if we attack everything indiscriminately, tell me that? The siege of a known logistical highway executed by an organisated group IS a hostile act. You attacked RA first, even tho it may never have been you intention. Hostile act ? 0_0 Oh, excuse me [Insert alliance here], we are at war with the Gallente, and we have outposts to capture on [insert system here]. Do you let us play in your uncontested, owned, totally yours property withuos considering this an act of agression, and if by any chance you do attack us first, and flash red to us, do you want us to stay quiet and docile in our own empire playground, for after all, we are a bunch of people with previously delimited space of action. ¼¼
Drenan State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:27:00 - [57] Does anyone know what the 40 odd strong Morsus Mihi fleet was up to in the Tama area last night? They jumped to Tama from the Nourv gate about an hour after the RA caps were killed.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:27:00 - [58] Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Kaishain So the militia is engaging in normal conflicts but have the luxury of not being able to get wardecced? How can non-FW corps and alliances retaliate when militias decides to screw with their business? RA started it. They decided to camp one of our main gates with 3 carriers (5 showed up in total). I dont think they expected the kind of responce they got though Maybe it was you who started it when the militia decided to camp one of the RA's logistical highways? That would be seen as a hostile act in any other case. RA most certainly tried to secure the gate for logistics, got attacked and then had a few POSs reinforced. WHY sholdn't they be able to retaliate on the militias like any other corp? You are getting involved in classic eve-politics and you should face retaliation by classic means, not under the protection of gamemechanics and faction NPCs. 1. RA attacked US first, with it being our main line of reinforcements it has a very good defencive force. 2. Up untill that point I have seen no RA or in fact any other corp/allience haulers being attacked on that gate. 3. RA dont own that system 4. One of the RA carriers left unharmed because it did not open fire, only the ships that attacked us were considered targets. 5. I have run into lots of RA gangs taking on FW pilots in the contested systems and INSIDE capture zones. Is it any wonder that we consider them a hostile target?
Declan Intaki	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:31:00 - [59] Edited by: Declan Intaki on 13/06/2008 12:32:42 MESSAGE TO ANYONE IN RA! Please please please make sure someone in your fleet FRAPS's when you decide to DD the Caldari fleet
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:32:00 - [60] What's all the crying about? People are enjoying their pew pew, who cares what the sides are. There aren't any rules about who you can shoot in eve, you just have to be prepared for the consequences (where applicable).

Sheila Love Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:33:00 - [61] Surely CCP should of seen that something of this nature was gonna happen what with said moons in the new region. On a side note now, this will most likely spice up the action in FW some what if RA decide to flex there muscles, giving the gallente a boost in the process, tho you never know if there's Cap's to pop, we may even see a Caldari/Gallente ceasefire and a co-ordinated effort made to remove the russians from FW space. Just imagine the Gallente droneswarm teamed with the Caldari missile and EM spam..
Hannobaal Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:34:00 - [62] Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Yatta I Originally by: Kaishain So the militia is engaging in normal conflicts but have the luxury of not being able to get wardecced? How can non-FW corps and alliances retaliate when militias decides to screw with their business? I see it as RA screwing the business between Gallante and Caldari. By camping gates frequently used by alliance logistics you can say that it was you who interfered with RA bussiness. Unlike in High-sec one doesn not simply trust others not to engage. RA can't trust the 50 FW guys sitting on Tama-Nouv gate not to engage their multi billion haulers. I think CCP should let alliances wardec militias OR disable militias from attacking "normal" players. This is incorrect. I saw RA and Ultima Ratio around earlier that day camping, and they were definitely just doing regular random low-sec piracy. (Not that there is anything wrong with that.)
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:35:00 - [63] Edited by: Butter Dog on 13/06/2008 12:36:47 Very entertaining. Go Caldari Militia! haha... They don't have to destroy it, just keep reinforcing the towers and you end up losing money from them and they become pointless. Whats RA going to do? Pull it fleet and capitals back from 0.0 every time this happens? Would soon get very tiresome. You have to remember a lot of these guys are new to this kind of combat, and they love it. They won't tire of it that quickly because its all new, shiney and fun, and there is a constant supply of fresh blood to keep up momentum. Good on the Caldari Militia protecting their constellations assets!
Zothike Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:36:00 - [64] Sorry but i dont find that is good news, FW must inter NPC alliance warfare if it start to be used in the PC politics as a tool, it will turn bad very quickly Personnally was about to join Caldari Militia to have fun against gallente / Minmatarr militia, not being used (willingly or not / intentionally or not) to help X side of the PC political map (especially if they are BoB or BoB pets)
Yuri Tsukimoto	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:37:00 - [65] Originally by: Kaishain The problem is that the people you attack does not have conventional means to retaliate on the militias. RA CAN NOT cut you off from your money supply. They can't wardec you and fight the problem by attacking YOUR logistics or missionsrunning which fuels the gatecamps. THAT is the differance. You people can engage in normal conflicts and inlfict the same damage as any of RA's enemies. The difference is that you are able to hide behind gamemecjanics and NPC protection. RA does NOT have the means to retaliate on militias like they can on others. As long as i udnerstand the prohibition of wardec, forbidding fights in empire, please do tell me something: - How many Alliances decide something in High-Sec ? - What was the avarage of fighting between alliances in high-sec prior to FW ? - What stopped people from making minning/mission running alts to supply an alliance before FW ? There were several mechanics to support a battle without compromising your main source of income already there. Now it¦s a question of adaptation.
Kaishain	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:37:00 - [66] Baltec: 1. RA attacked US first, with it being our main line of reinforcements it has a very good defencive force. Doesn't matter. An organised entity interfered with established logistical routes and that's viewed as a hostile act anywhere else in Eve. 2. Up untill that point I have seen no RA or in fact any other corp/allience haulers being attacked on that gate. Doesn't matter. The mere fact of a large armed group on a low-sec gate hinders any player with any 0,0/low-sec experience from passing thru in a normal fashion. This IS a hostile act. 3. RA dont own that system Up until now eve-pleyers have been able to claim systems to different degrees and have had the means to enforce this to different degrees. If the militias had been a normal corp you would probably face a wardec and take hits in your high-sec activities and logistics. 4. One of the RA carriers left unharmed because it did not open fire, only the ships that attacked us were considered targets. Read above doesn't matter. 5. I have run into lots of RA gangs taking on FW pilots in the contested systems and INSIDE capture zones. Doen't matter. Is it any wonder that we consider them a hostile target? So the mlitias should get the benefits of normal corps in combat without having to deal with the drawbacks of facing retaliation? You should be able to attack and destroy assets that your FC's decide but the attacked groups shouldn't be able to get back to you in normal ways?
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:39:00 - [67] Keep at it, make it cost for every 0.0 alliance that try to control moonmining in low sec too. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Kaishain	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:43:00 - [68] - How many Alliances decide something in High-Sec ? What do you mean? They are free to attack any entity that directly or indirectly helps their enemies. Unlike militias. - What was the avarage of fighting between alliances in high-sec prior to FW ? Attacking high-sec logistical corps/missionrunners are not something uncommong. Rarely the main goal but not uncommon and it does have impacts. - What stopped people from making minning/mission running alts to supply an alliance before FW ? Nothing. The difference now is that militias is the same as an alt-corp but on the same characters that they attack other people with. Logistical alt corps are usually traced too.
Yuri Tsukimoto	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:44:00 - [69] Originally by: Kaishain You should be able to attack and destroy assets that your FC's decide but the attacked groups shouldn't be able to get back to you in normal ways? Hmmm, that reminds me of a thing called "Legal system". Change FC for a Judge/Nation and you have the same thing. All governamentes want power. They screw you because there are many of you, they are not screwed by you because they have a legal system to back them up, and an armed branch to enforce that. Welcome to the dictatorship of the majority, also known as "Democracy". And yet, i still see no reason to complain. If you want to wardec a militia JOIN the OTHER side of the war. There you go, magic !
Yuri Tsukimoto	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:46:00 - [70] Join the Gallente

Kaishain	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:46:00 - [71] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Keep at it, make it cost for every 0.0 alliance that try to control moonmining in low sec too. And what about the average low-sec corp? Should the personal interests of the militia-FC be allowed to have ANY impact at all on normal busniess in low-sec? What stops the militia-FC to put up a POS at a moon that he got his faction warfare buddies to destroy? Why should the former owners of that moon face an enemy with logistics and income gathering protected by gamemechanics and NPCs?
Kaishain	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:48:00 - [72] Originally by: Yuri Tsukimoto RP way to go! Let's justify all imbalances with roleplay!!
Megamina	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:49:00 - [73] so what Kaishain what's the problem ? If you have a corp of let's take 50 ppl wanting to do so, they can join a npc corp, still keep organized like a player corp and fight anyone without getting any war on them... So I don't see where th FW thing brings new problems about it... your behaviour really sounds like you got pwned by some of the militia men and still bitter about it...
Bael Thazor	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:49:00 - [74] The best thing about all this mess is that it could have happened at any point in the past. People are talking about the Caldari Militia as though it is an alliance in its own right, since apparently reinforcing a POS is an act that only a conscious political body would advocate. What's important to remember though, is that in low-sec there is no NPC protection: it's just the players in their fleets, following the orders of an FC, blowing stuff up. Exactly the same thing could have happened pre-Empyrean Age: any random could have gathered a bunch of new players together, telling them all to bring a tech 1 frigate and go on a jaunt into low-sec to assault someone's POS. They might have got it into reinforced: they might not. Pre-Empyrean Age, people might have raised eyebrows had a fleet without an agenda suddenly assaulted someone's POS, but no one would have called into question game mechanics or claimed that people should not be able to fire upon POSes unless they were a member of an alliance themselves. The only thing that was lacking was motivation: people didn't want to risk their ships with unknown pilots, didn't want to follow someone without an established goal. Factional Warfare provides that goal, gives pilots in Empire a reason to undock and take their ships out to fight. While the contenders are correct in one sense - the militias don't have a logisitical supply to mess up, don't have POSes of their own to attack etc - they are missing the basic point of all this: everyone in the militia is there, not because alliance warfare dictates it, but because they want to enjoy the experience of flying in a fleet and taking on targets. You can blow up their frigs and cruisers, but if they enjoy the fight, they'll come back for more. It's a target that you can never really kill, and it amounts to nothing more than CCP providing players with an extra avenue of communication, to explore and fight in EVE together. Low-sec politics have changed dramatically with these Militia fleets, and Alliances will have to consider new ways of deterring them from attacking their assets. Who knows, they might even need to defend themselves! Good luck to everyone in the Militia: make RA bleed!
Hannobaal Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:50:00 - [75] There is simply no point in declaring war on militias. In low-sec you can allready attack them. You will get a sec hit and criminal flag, but so will they if they attack you, so it's all the same. In high-sec, even if you could attack them as far as Concord was concerned through a war declaration, the friendly faction navy would still fight on their side, making things very difficult for you.
Yuri Tsukimoto	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:50:00 - [76] Originally by: Kaishain And what about the average low-sec corp? Should the personal interests of the militia-FC be allowed to have ANY impact at all on normal busniess in low-sec? What stops the militia-FC to put up a POS at a moon that he got his faction warfare buddies to destroy? Why should the former owners of that moon face an enemy with logistics and income gathering protected by gamemechanics and NPCs? - The avarage low-sec corp now have competition. It¦s the savage and barbaric law of the market in action. Money doesn¦t like people. - Should the personal interests of the (alliance)-FC be allowed to have ANY impact at all on normal busniess in low-sec (high-sec)? What stops the (alliance)-FC to put up a POS at a moon that he got his (enemy alliance) buddies to destroy?
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:51:00 - [77] oh god, shut up with the whining Its a dedicated 'factional warfare' region, where 'factions' fight one another for 'control' of the system. If an alliance wants to stick up POS in that region, the militias are perfectly within their right to hit it. Cry all you like about it, its not as if RA are short of Prom moons elsewhere. Lots of valuable moons in 0.0, I don't think the single Prom and Dysp moon in Black Rise (which IRON is mining, FYI) are that much of an imbalance. ----------
SunglassesInSpace GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:53:00 - [78] So who's the mastermind who got a bunch of pubbies to work for them?
Kaishain	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:53:00 - [79] Originally by: Megamina so what Kaishain what's the problem ? If you have a corp of let's take 50 ppl wanting to do so, they can join a npc corp, still keep organized like a player corp and fight anyone without getting any war on them... So I don't see where th FW thing brings new problems about it... your behaviour really sounds like you got pwned by some of the militia men and still bitter about it... Yes, but most of us allready agree that the mechanics behind NPC corps are flawed. Why add another feature with the same flawed mechanics? I say limit the ability for militias (and npc-corps) to have an impact on normal eve-play... unless normal eve players can have an equal impact on them. And it's the other way around. It is I who pwn militiamembers. And why would I have to have personal interest in this to have an opinion about it? Are your really that narrow minded?
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:54:00 - [80] Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Danton Marcellus Keep at it, make it cost for every 0.0 alliance that try to control moonmining in low sec too. And what about the average low-sec corp? Should the personal interests of the militia-FC be allowed to have ANY impact at all on normal busniess in low-sec? What stops the militia-FC to put up a POS at a moon that he got his faction warfare buddies to destroy? Why should the former owners of that moon face an enemy with logistics and income gathering protected by gamemechanics and NPCs? I see little difference in a smalltime operation being steamrolled by RA or FW. They have always been at risk, now the monopolicers join that fold. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As

Chony State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:54:00 - [81] This is a warning to all alliances and corps in Caldari lowsec space, we are taking back what rightfully belongs to the State! All parties found harboring Gallente refugees will be executed.
Ralle030583 The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:55:00 - [82] i see it as condign vengeance of the caldari militia. neraly every armed army would do the same... they got attacked -> they kill the attacker they find the hideout of the agressor (POS)-> they destroy it (reinforce) end of story... i would do the same Greetings Ralle Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion and has nothing to do with my corp/alliance You need a free Killboard? check: http:\\www.eve-kill.net Originally by: CCP Sharkbait i have untrashed this bug report and i will take car
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.13 12:55:00 - [83] Originally by: Kaishain Baltec: 1. RA attacked US first, with it being our main line of reinforcements it has a very good defencive force. Doesn't matter. An organised entity interfered with established logistical routes and that's viewed as a hostile act anywhere else in Eve. 2. Up untill that point I have seen no RA or in fact any other corp/allience haulers being attacked on that gate. Doesn't matter. The mere fact of a large armed group on a low-sec gate hinders any player with any 0,0/low-sec experience from passing thru in a normal fashion. This IS a hostile act. 3. RA dont own that system Up until now eve-pleyers have been able to claim systems to different degrees and have had the means to enforce this to different degrees. If the militias had been a normal corp you would probably face a wardec and take hits in your high-sec activities and logistics. 4. One of the RA carriers left unharmed because it did not open fire, only the ships that attacked us were considered targets. Read above doesn't matter. 5. I have run into lots of RA gangs taking on FW pilots in the contested systems and INSIDE capture zones. Doen't matter. Is it any wonder that we consider them a hostile target? So the mlitias should get the benefits of normal corps in combat without having to deal with the drawbacks of facing retaliation? You should be able to attack and destroy assets that your FC's decide but the attacked groups shouldn't be able to get back to you in normal ways? are there some rules I dont know about? I cant attack RA in high sec same as them I will not be going into their 0.0 empire and neither will the milita. Also why is it that to you, them attacking us in FW areas where they have no business is ok but when we attack back its suddenly wrong?
Kaishain	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:02:00 - [84] Also why is it that to you, them attacking us in FW areas where they have no business is ok but when we attack back its suddenly wrong? I don't say it is wrong for you to attack them. I say it is wrong that they don't have the ability to retaliate in a way that they would (possibly) retaliate on any other entity attacking them.
Bael Thazor	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:04:00 - [85] Edited by: Bael Thazor on 13/06/2008 13:05:52 Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Yuri Tsukimoto - The avarage low-sec corp now have competition. It¦s the savage and barbaric law of the market in action. Money doesn¦t like people. Uneven competition. Uneven based on one of the parties having protective gamemechanics backing them up. Explain exactly what these 'protective game mechanics' are. FW is nothing more than a glorified chat room that allows pilots to form a fleet with people they wouldn't normally form fleets with. They target systems with objectives, and like any fleet of random people in EVE, have every right to shoot whoever the hell they want. Likewise, they can be shot at back. There hasn't been a magical rewrite of the rules, and as someone said earlier, you may as well have the entire fleet in NPC corps, following one FCs orders for the thrill of the fight rather than any political motivation. If this involves messing with some POSes, why not? Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Yuri Tsukimoto - Should the personal interests of the (alliance)-FC be allowed to have ANY impact at all on normal busniess in low-sec (high-sec)? What stops the (alliance)-FC to put up a POS at a moon that he got his (enemy alliance) buddies to destroy? Yes, because they play the same game as the rest of us. Unlike militias 0,0-alliances do not have any protective gamemechanics that they haven't worked for and that can't be detroyed. I am free to fight 0,0-alliances whereever i want to. I can attack their assets, logistics, ratters, miners, missionrunners. This is not possible when it comes to militias, YET militias are still able to have the same negateive impact on others as the 0,0 alliances does. Basically, you're upset that a random group of pilots can affect something you do in the game, but you can't have an effect on what they do in the game. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. This has always been the case, and always be the case in EVE. Just because CCP have introduced a new method through which these players can interact, DOES NOT MEAN that they are suddenly a new political powerbloc that is unassailable by other alliances. If they annoy RA enough, I'm sure RA can just move a few cap fleets to the system and annhilate any militia pilots that enter the system. Let's see how long the militia hangs around then.
Cuthbert Drake State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:05:00 - [86] Originally by: Kaishain Also why is it that to you, them attacking us in FW areas where they have no business is ok but when we attack back its suddenly wrong? I don't say it is wrong for you to attack them. I say it is wrong that they don't have the ability to retaliate in a way that they would (possibly) retaliate on any other entity attacking them. Ok, since the intel thingy was blown in the other thread, I'll say this: You're either an RA alt upset that noobies got three of your carriers, OR you're the one in gallente militia that called your RA friends to help you in FW with caps, and they're a bit upset at you now cos they lost said carriers.
shuckstar Hauling hogs CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:06:00 - [87] Originally by: Kaishain So the militia is engaging in normal conflicts but have the luxury of not being able to get wardecced? How can non-FW corps and alliances retaliate when militias decides to screw with their business? Good point, but altho you cant wardec individual Militia members, you can still war dec the corps that signed up. Not the same i know, maybe they should let us war dec a Militia as a whole.
Gralgathor White Wolf Enterprises Harmonious Ascent	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:09:00 - [88] What's with all this RA rear-end kissing? I respect RA greatly, I was in LV and got my ... handed to me quite often by their pilots, but this time they made a mistake. They picked a fight with the new bully on the block, and they were soundly beaten. It's called factional warfare, not alliance warfare. Stay out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:09:00 - [89] Originally by: Steve Celeste Originally by: Pan Crastus The Caldari Militia is the new BoB! Must be because we planned all this at a BBQ. is this max???
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:14:00 - [90] Originally by: Kaishain Also why is it that to you, them attacking us in FW areas where they have no business is ok but when we attack back its suddenly wrong? I don't say it is wrong for you to attack them. I say it is wrong that they don't have the ability to retaliate in a way that they would (possibly) retaliate on any other entity attacking them. well its not like the militia can do anything to realy hurt alliences is it? We cant hit them in high sec or go for their 0.0 empires so its a fair match. All we are worried about are the FW low sec systems. As far as I see it RA have been openly hostile to the caldari state and thus are now a target of oppertunity in our systems. Personaly unless I find an RA flashing red I wont be engaging them on the spot.

ShardowRhino Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:18:00 - [91] Originally by: Winters Chill o7 Im seriously thinking of signing up for a tour in the protectorate, shame they have so many already. hahah, thats what i was thinking, assuming this is all true. who would have just a week ago thought the "militia" of "carebear noobs that are going to be farmed 23/7 by ebil pirates" would go and bop the Russians on the forhead with their salami?? seriously, please keep this thread updated. This has to be an interesting turn of events, i wonder if CCP would have thought this would happen? damn......if only the Amarr weren't so damn outnumbered. I'd love to go poke at old hostiles from my stint in RoadKill.
ShardowRhino Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:23:00 - [92] Originally by: Kaishain Also why is it that to you, them attacking us in FW areas where they have no business is ok but when we attack back its suddenly wrong? I don't say it is wrong for you to attack them. I say it is wrong that they don't have the ability to retaliate in a way that they would (possibly) retaliate on any other entity attacking them. lets put it this way, the militia attacked a pos. IF RA wanted to defend it then RA could cruise down there and defend it. Theres not going to be any gate turrets firing at them ,concord or Empire NPC ships. The question is would RA really be able to take on all the caldari players AND RA's normal list of enemies all at the same time? Most likely RA would have to withdraw from lowsec instead of being swarmed by old enemies in expensive ship hitting them in 0.0 and a swarm of ****ed off,newly empowered and revenge hungry playerbase flying anything from a t1 frig to any t2 ships they have been polishing for this day that they would have normally just dreamt about. Lets face it, it would be a hell of a DP to watch.
Kel'dar Drax	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:23:00 - [93] It occurs to me that if there was a way to effectively organise the faction militias we could be seeing the start of a new era for lowsec in eve. I assume there is nothing to stop the 'corporate' faction members from setting up mining and manufacturing operations in any lowsec space? The next step will be for one of the faction corps to recruit sufficient numbers of FW grunts to achieve de- facto leadership...then the fur will really fly.
Nihilanth	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:26:00 - [94] Sounds like a perfect plan. I cant think of any alliances off the top of my head that met their end at the hands of the Russians in a war that the Russians did not start.
Dracorimus State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:30:00 - [95] Any alliances trying to be more greedy will be met with resistance from FW combatants in our space :D
Kaylana Syi Stimulus	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:31:00 - [96] Honestly, screw RA. Screw any alliance for that matter. If anyone wants to extend its arm of power outside its borders then they should have to take the consequence of their action. Take the security hit, shoot some alts and have a good time.
Epidemis	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:33:00 - [97] Being able to war-dec the FW corps is a seriously bad idea. The FW corps arent as organized as the 0,0 alliance and there's loads of innocent people in it.
mynnna GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:35:00 - [98] Originally by: Dracorimus Any alliances trying to be more greedy will be met with resistance from FW combatants in our space :D You, and basically everyone else in this thread, are hilariously naive. Everything from thinking that RA recently put up the tower to thinking that they'd lose space if they try to fight over towers in lowsec.
Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:41:00 - [99] Originally by: Sheila Love Surely CCP should of seen that something of this nature was gonna happen what with said moons in the new region. On a side note now, this will most likely spice up the action in FW some what if RA decide to flex there muscles, giving the gallente a boost in the process, tho you never know if there's Cap's to pop, we may even see a Caldari/Gallente ceasefire and a co-ordinated effort made to remove the russians from FW space. Just imagine the Gallente droneswarm teamed with the Caldari missile and EM spam.. This is probably the best news the Gallente ever got, the Caldari ****ing off RA.
Drenan State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:41:00 - [100] Edited by: Drenan on 13/06/2008 13:41:54 ZOMG! The Goons are rattled and confirming their status as RA pets...FW really is going to to be the start of something big...rather than something awful.

Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:43:00 - [101] Any alliance that think they can control FW space with capitals or hardcore PvPers etc is up for a big can of whoopass. RA killing the caldaris? They better ask the minmatar and gallente FW grps for help then :P All RA will teach if they try enforce their little goldmoon there is a show on how you shoot yourself in the foot with an even bigger gun that they already did.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:52:00 - [102] Originally by: Kaishain Also why is it that to you, them attacking us in FW areas where they have no business is ok but when we attack back its suddenly wrong? I don't say it is wrong for you to attack them. I say it is wrong that they don't have the ability to retaliate in a way that they would (possibly) retaliate on any other entity attacking them. the only difference I can think of is a wardec... and since when did high-sec empire wars make ANY difference to anything? They're fun, and thats about it And honestly, nothing has changed, as someone posted very thoughtfully earlier in the thread, these are people who were playing the game anyway and just have more of a sense of direction. Crying about 'there is no way to retaliate' is ridiculous. They live in lowsec. They are as killable as the next player. They don't do POS but then neither do a lot of entities, and that surely is their choice.
Alexi Kalashnikov GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:56:00 - [103] Soon, the muggles will learn why you do NOT ** WITH THE RUSSIANS. Even being an ally with them we still know who not to ** with (pst, Russians).
Daviclond GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:03:00 - [104] is the massive sense of entitlement seen here standard issue to all FW applicants or what
ShardowRhino Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:10:00 - [105] IF the russians are as big and bad as their supports want to suggest then why do they need allies? why not just steamroll the other groups as well? To suggest that RA could hold back, what was it 3k caldari militia members while being attacked by any alliance out there is kind of funny. Its funny because RA would need to put a large force 23/7 to block off the militia players. They would have to do this knowing that everyone in Eve is going to be watching. A protracted fight would definitely get some alliances thinking,planning and making some moves. IF for some reason no alliance makes a move against RA while the Russians deal with the militia players then every alliance out there would need to castrate themselves because the "empire noobs" are more then willing to fight a major alliance and they themselves are to scared to do anything against RA.
Blutreiter Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:13:00 - [106] Whats up with the ungodly amount of a**kissing in here? EVE was never about "we were here first, it's our RIGHT to own this". EVE is about "we got weapons and we use them, if you are not able to defend yourself, though luck" Are some of you even playing this game?
MrHalls	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:13:00 - [107] Originally by: Gralgathor What's with all this RA rear-end kissing? I respect RA greatly, I was in LV and got my ... handed to me quite often by their pilots, but this time they made a mistake. They picked a fight with the new bully on the block, and they were soundly beaten. It's called factional warfare, not alliance warfare. Stay out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat. HELL'S KITCHEN!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
mynnna GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:16:00 - [108] Originally by: Drenan Edited by: Drenan on 13/06/2008 13:41:54 ZOMG! The Goons are rattled and confirming their status as RA pets...FW really is going to to be the start of something big...rather than something awful. Keep dreaming. "The Goons" are laughing. Very, very hard.
Talsha Talamar Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:16:00 - [109] In a certain sense, the black rise is sovereign territory of the state and federation war parties. If someone tries to occupy this space, this someone has to expect retaliation. So hopefully 0.0 alliances will learn as pirates did, to stay the hell out of faction war... Actually I am am not only most positively surprised, to see such an esprite de corps established so early in the FW units, I toast to their success: "Bear hunting and fresh Quaffe; ships in space".
ShardowRhino Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:17:00 - [110] Originally by: Blutreiter Whats up with the ungodly amount of a**kissing in here? EVE was never about "we were here first, it's our RIGHT to own this". EVE is about "we got weapons and we use them, if you are not able to defend yourself, though luck" Are some of you even playing this game? Its called "EntitlementOnline" you better start training your forum whining to level 5 so you can train "afraid of all the noobs we talked smack about for years on end". weapons are for noobs! whining is the new thing if you want to be cool.

Yugami Templar 8th Knights Hospitaller	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:19:00 - [111] My main has fought against RA in two wars over the past year and Ive seen the fleets they can field. Now dont get me wrong, my mains going too be joining the Caldari soon and is in the process of leaving his Alliance but guys the russians are nothing too take lightly in this game. If that *****ing Pos is destroyed it would tickle me pink, But something tells me 200 Caracals and Frigs and a few Drakes and Ravens are going too be in for a rude suprise if the Russians bring even a Quarter of their Capital Fleet and BS support and Field Commanders. So heres too hoping the Russians didnt want that moon anyways (lol) or you/we can outblob them 5 to 1 and even then....
Viqtoria Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:23:00 - [112] Originally by: Nihilanth Sounds like a perfect plan. I cant think of any alliances off the top of my head that met their end at the hands of the Russians in a war that the Russians did not start. factional warfare =/= alliances you moron.
Straight Chillen Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:30:00 - [113] You guys are making a huge huge mistake ****ing RA off. Please. Dont Stop.
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:33:00 - [114] Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war (FW) went and did low sec behaviour like life as normal, they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?. RA needs the moon, that a new one was available meant that they could compensate for thier recent loss to BoB without too much of a fight if any. As an Alliance they are doing that right, all they have to make sure of is who has sovereignty of the system, after all they have to PAY the Faction who has sovereignty for the right to have POS there don't they or are the Charters just Eye Candy in the LP stores?. Now while they had fun they forgot that they have now also endangered every other member of that Milita to unprovoked attack now as its possible RA has declared war even though they can't do anything but use normal low sec game mechanics by just setting Caldari Strike Force to flashing red/kill on sight. Is it now in the interest of RA to ensure the sovereignty of the system never falls to the Caldari Milita as some of its members want to play Alliance politics at the same time as FW? ...... continues overleaf.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:33:00 - [115] While killing the three carriers was awesome, I think going after RA's moons is getting the militia seriously side tracked.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:35:00 - [116] WAIT A MIN! if you bar militias from attacking RA nothing will change, they will just go back into the NPC corp. The NPC corp can shoot at them. oh wait the NPC corp could ALWAYS SHOOT AT ANYONE IN LOW SEC BECAUSE IT'S LOWSEC. speaking of which why didn't anyone do this before? people are whining that the militia can now effect politics... yeah? and the NPC corps could always do this, nothing stopping them... but why didn't they? oh wait maybe it was because they were afraid of PvP and didn't know what to do. they didn't want to go into 0.0 space and they knew going into low sec alone was suicide... if only there was some system in place to help high sec players get into 0. warfare... O M G! look factional warfare is helping move high sec players into 0.0 space! Before you know it with more changes, the militia are going to start their own 0.0 alliances. militia players will bore of FW and leave to join 0.0 alliances. and then new players will take up place of the leaving players, and FW will have done it's job, the STEP between high sec, and 0.0 space.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:37:00 - [117] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war untrue they were camping the main gate into the PvP areas, they were asking for it. they were there on purpose to **** with factional warfare and they know it. not that this is a bad thing it could of been fun. but they failed, the attack was pushed back and they were able to once again enjoy FW. saying that it wasn't effecting FW is BS. also your in a noob corp they can't dec you either why don't you get some of your 30,000 members and go attack them too?
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:38:00 - [118] Originally by: Ulstan While killing the three carriers was awesome, I think going after RA's moons is getting the militia seriously side tracked. Why? The moon is in Black Rise. This is a region the Caldari Militia is compelled to protect. Or did alliances just assume it would be a free-for-all? I guess so... ----------
FlameGlow State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:02:00 - [119] Originally by: Yugami Templar My main has fought against RA in two wars over the past year and Ive seen the fleets they can field. Now dont get me wrong, my mains going too be joining the Caldari soon and is in the process of leaving his Alliance but guys the russians are nothing too take lightly in this game. If that *****ing Pos is destroyed it would tickle me pink, But something tells me 200 Caracals and Frigs and a few Drakes and Ravens are going too be in for a rude suprise if the Russians bring even a Quarter of their Capital Fleet and BS support and Field Commanders. So heres too hoping the Russians didnt want that moon anyways (lol) or you/we can outblob them 5 to 1 and even then.... RA should really drop that "neutral=enemy" and "hanging out on route=aggression" approach in case of militia. The POS could just stay there and mine all they wanted and probly noone would care about it (and if a corp in militia cared it can be wardecced and made reconsider). But attacking militia as a whole naturally causes retaliation, and anyway not much can be done but drive militia away from the system for as long as it's guarded(and it has to be guarded quite good, 3 carriers are not enough apparently) Lowsec severely limits tactical approaches that can be taken against a blob of even noobish ships - no DDD, no bombs, no bubbles. So, what's RA going to do? Don't know, time will tell.
Talsha Talamar Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:07:00 - [120] Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 13/06/2008 15:14:30 Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 13/06/2008 15:11:59 Originally by: Brainless Bimbo ... they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?. No they are not. Its lowsec, you can jump in a capital fleet if you want, it will be interesting to watch what follows then: Taking into account the size and resources of RA, its very likely that they could succeed locking down Black Rise. The only question is if its worth for them to permanently, yes permanently, dedicate material and manpower to this task, thereby weakening their position in 0.0. I would assume that such an attempt by RA or other alliances, would be welcomed by the militias. The reason why such an endeavour is a pointless one for any alliance, is that the FW participants are in it not for territory, not for resources or political power, but just for pew pew. They do not care if they loose ship. It would be most ignorant to assume that cruiser and frigate blobs, are everything that FW parties could bring to the field, especially should the conflict escalate. There are surely enough resources and know how, in form of main accounts backing up the war parties, to allow them to rather quickly field capital fleets if needed. Oh and bimbo, since you do not have brains, at least show your balls and post with your main.

Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:24:00 - [121] MotherMoons said it all quite well. Eve is a sandbox, and anyone can do anything anywhere. Yes, there are consequences and rules of engagement - some of which are not fair to one side - but so what? If a FW Corp puts up a tower, RA can war dec that Corp. There is no 'immunity' for FW players in the area under contest. There is not difference between FW trying to hold/mine a region and anyone else doing it. A FW Corp could provide free ships to its members with moon mining profits, for example. This would be in direct support of FW and RA would have a mechanism for fighting back. The same could be done by Piewrats or any other organized group. Most importantly, conflicts in this area are SUPPOSED TO REDRAW THE MAP. That is the very definition of alliance invasions/warfare. It does not matter WHO is in the area currently: one Faction wants to own it and another Faction (RA in this case) wants to defend it. The fact that FW is mostly T1 noobs getting their first taste of actual PVP: Well, that is what it was designed for. If anyone should be afraid of that it should be Goons. Now another group will willingly organize and train low-skilled players in the art of PVP. Previously, unskilled people only had the choice of joining Goons or Ivy League. Now they have 4 more Militias to join. Also, look at this from the Piewrat angle: What is different between FW groups dominating a system and a strong Piewrate group camping the gates all the time? And if RA or any other alliance dropped a few capitals into a Piewrat gatecamp, would the result be any different? Think the Piewrats would choose not to shoot because they didnt' want to get involved in Alliance politics? Of couses, as a Gallente, all this is an acedemic discussion as the Calderi are all scum anyways.
Nachshon Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:43:00 - [122] This could backfire badly. Imagine if the Redswarm Federation sides with the Minmatar and Gallente? Man, I always thought that this could happen. Factional warfare eventually leads to one giant war all across New Eden.
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:00:00 - [123] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war confused reply Mother, do you misunderstand? or not read it all. Fraction warfare is a declared war between 4 NPC corps with a bot to guide the skermishes between them, its thier PRIVATE WAR, just like between two alliances composed of just 2 corps each. It takes place in low sec where low sec rules apply, so..... If you pose a threat to someone else you get dealt with, business as usual.. If your weaker and make n easy kill to ease someones lust, fine, its business as usual in low sec pew-pew. Camping a gate for security/ganking in low sec goes on everyday somewhere in new eden, i've pod flown home or been rectivated at base by lowsec gate camps obliterating me just because i was there, and its normal for system POS owners and inhabitants to try and remove others gatecaming thier systems as it interferes with thier business. FW carries all the disadvantages of low sec living because its set there, NPC Milita's have to learn to co-exist with whoever begins to establish POS's in that Region. Remember those Corps/Alliances have to ensure they have enough of all four Empire Starbase Charters at all times to keep them anchored there or conversly they can manipulate who has sovereignty of they system and ensure it stays that way using low sec mechanics. NO NPC corps have an agenda, ppl are in them for lots of reasons, FW's 4 NPC Milita Corps have only a single reason, FW, they are not a normal NPC corp thats why contested space is low sec, its a penelty because of there united effort on a sole purpose, fighting and killing FW Milita enemies for sovereignty, killing stuff for medals, ISK etc. All, i'm saying is its low sec at normal, BUT Milita members have to realise that low sec is set at normal so even though they can't be war dec'd they can be set KOS by anyone. Milita members must be thoughtfull of what they do in role play mode outside of the set stuff in FW as it could have much larger effects that break FW or have all POS's banned from contested systems where FW is set. ...... continues overleaf.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:00:00 - [124] Originally by: Princess Jodi ...If anyone should be afraid of that it should be Goons. Now another group will willingly organize and train low-skilled players in the art of PVP. Previously, unskilled people only had the choice of joining Goons or Ivy League... Hey wait a minute, halt the ignorance wagon, inspection time! We've almost exclusively recruited out of the box, not one princess though and so I imagine a lot of decent corporations have. Argue the sanctioned warfare and ownership of moons all you want but keep the apples and oranges in different baskets still. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Trojanman190 Altruism. Malice.	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:04:00 - [125] Edited by: Trojanman190 on 13/06/2008 16:06:25 If RA wants to make life difficult for the caldari militia RA will make life VERY difficult for the caldari militia. Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Princess Jodi ...If anyone should be afraid of that it should be Goons. Now another group will willingly organize and train low-skilled players in the art of PVP. Previously, unskilled people only had the choice of joining Goons or Ivy League... Hey wait a minute, halt the ignorance wagon, inspection time! We've almost exclusively recruited out of the box, not one princess though and so I imagine a lot of decent corporations have. Argue the sanctioned warfare and ownership of moons all you want but keep the apples and oranges in different baskets still. I thought to be a goon you need to be ont eh something awful forums.
Beef Hardslab Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:09:00 - [126] Surprise! FW affects anyone that wants to get in the way. The FW lowsec regions are going to be bloody warzones, and anyone that waves their peen around in them are likely to lose a few inches. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
WulfWestphal Niflhel	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:10:00 - [127] Originally by: Kaishain The problem is that the people you attack does not have conventional means to retaliate on the militias. RA CAN NOT cut you off from your money supply. They can't wardec you and fight the problem by attacking YOUR logistics or missionsrunning which fuels the gatecamps. are you dense? the militias cant do it either. the militias cant just go into 0.0 and attack RA systems there uncontested. furthermore the militias cant even attack RA hi-sec support/missionrunning/logistics (if there is any). so what the heck is your point? the fight takes place in low sec. and there was fight way before FW so just STFU. ---
Yarr2K 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:17:00 - [128] Originally by: Nachshon This could backfire badly. Imagine if the Redswarm Federation sides with the Minmatar and Gallente? Man, I always thought that this could happen. Factional warfare eventually leads to one giant war all across New Eden. Yes and then CVA joins the fray. Tbh I think it would rock if all the 0.0 guys joined in and made low sec even more chaotic than it is now. Us FW guys don't care. We have billions in our fat mission runner alts pockets and can sustain hostilities for as long as is needed. Good Bless you CCP for finally brining us Faction Warfare and all the empire cannon fodder it drawn out of the woodwork. I see nothing but win so far on all fronts.
Meteor Crash	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:17:00 - [129] This thread is delicious in many ways.
Hugh Hefner Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:19:00 - [130] RA is going down! Well alot of ppl will have more fun atleast

Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:24:00 - [131] Originally by: Talsha Talamar Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 13/06/2008 15:14:30 Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 13/06/2008 15:11:59 Originally by: Brainless Bimbo ... they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?. No they are not. Its lowsec, you can jump in a capital fleet if you want, Oh and bimbo, since you do not have brains, at least show your balls and post with your main. Talaha Talamar, i don't know how to say this, but this is my main, ballsy enuf? Oh! wait a sec, you say i have no brains and say exactly what i said!!!! Originally by: Brainless Bimbo ......even though they can't do anything but use normal low sec game mechanics by just setting Caldari Strike Force to flashing red/kill on sight.[/u] Next time to avoid embarassment, read the whole thing, stop, understand, and only then start tapping your keyboard. ...... continues overleaf.
pu nani	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:25:00 - [132] Those of us from BoB in the Caldari Malitia WILL DESTROY ALL RA CAPz lulz!
Hohne Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:28:00 - [133] RA are hopeless allies and much more fun to shoot. Speaking as someone who had them for an ally for over a year and shot them for several months too, not speaking like Jakke is being 1 month old. Their home systems ARE undefended and very easy to get kills in sure you're not going to walk in and knock over towers, but that's just no fun. Shooting their very extensive network of industrialists is quite feasible and fun. They're running logistics from the drone regions to pure blind and feyth. That gives alot of things to shoot. LoL at the people that think this is a bad thing for FW. LOL at the people who don't know you can't DD in lowsec (especially those in alliances that have several titans and still don't know). It's the same as it ever was. If you have assets, you are open to attack by ANYBODY, if you don't have assets sitting in a danger zone you can't be hurt no matter how big and scary the alliance is. I can quite expect RA can muster enough people to defend a moon. But I can also expect the FW guys can go and put it in reinforced twice a week just for lols. They're in LOWSEC, you don't need to wardec them to shoot them, no one does. And as soon as someone puts a tower on the moon, you can be wardecced. No one in the militia can put up a POS, so they can't threaten RA's actual sov systems, all they can do is knock down towers in lowsec. Wow, big deal. It may mean that alliances struggle to hold territory at opposite ends of the map as well as all of lowsec. I can't see how this is a bad thing for anyone.
Talsha Talamar Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:32:00 - [134] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Talaha Talamar, i don't know how to say this, but this is my main, ballsy enuf? ... Oh! wait a sec, you say i have no brains and say exactly what i said!!!! Should I have actually misunderstood the intention of your post, I apologize, your name might have played a little role in this...
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:37:00 - [135] I don't know if anyone said this, but moons in systems less than .4 (where the minerals are) do not need charters. So that is stupidly irrelevant.
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:41:00 - [136] Originally by: Talsha Talamar Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Talaha Talamar, i don't know how to say this, but this is my main, ballsy enuf? ... Oh! wait a sec, you say i have no brains and say exactly what i said!!!! Should I have actually misunderstood the intention of your post, I apologize, your name might have played a little role in this... LOLzzz, its ment too. ...... continues overleaf.
raidnkill Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:41:00 - [137] Since Caldari militias are attacking RA towers Do Gallente Militias have to defend it for RA?
Superbull Net 7 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:43:00 - [138] Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Yuri Tsukimoto [i] The problem is that the people you attack does not have conventional means to retaliate on the militias. RA CAN NOT cut you off from your money supply. They can't wardec you and fight the problem by attacking YOUR logistics or missionsrunning which fuels the gatecamps. Umm... wardecs mainly interfere with logistics because everybody is addicted to Jita. If you get away from Jita, or pick a new pipe into empire, wardecs dont mean hardly squat.
Miz Cenuij	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:45:00 - [139] How i laughed. The russians tried to pirate the militia and got owned, losing 3 carriers. The militia then got even more payback on the russian POS. Simple as that. LOL @ the Rusaians. "Men are going to die... and i'm going to kill them"
Sayuri Deathbringers	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:51:00 - [140] Haha Classic, CM > RA

Talsha Talamar Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:24:00 - [141] Originally by: Reaver One Now if, on the other hand, the RA wants to actively HUNT Caldari Militia members wherever they may be, then the Militia will be able to make life VERY difficult for the RA. We will develop tactics that take advantage of our status as a military arm of the state, play to our high security status and engage in a protracted guerilla war, because...um...we're a MILITARY ARM OF THE #%&@^*& STATE. Exactly my point too, an all out war would probably result for RA in an Afghanistan in Space :)
Pr1ncess Alia Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:31:00 - [142] Originally by: mynnna Originally by: Drenan Edited by: Drenan on 13/06/2008 13:41:54 ZOMG! The Goons are rattled and confirming their status as RA pets...FW really is going to to be the start of something big...rather than something awful. Keep dreaming. "The Goons" are laughing. Very, very hard. I KNOW THE GOONS ARE LAUGHING SO HARD RIGHT NOW AND POASTING they dont "get" the goons. THE GOONS KNOW WHAt you dont, dont mess w/ RA, RA is the best, i love RA, RA is awsome!!! lol, rofl, lol, the goons dont even care about any of this we just laugh lol and laugh and dont take any of this game seriously we are just playing goons in space
Sayuri Deathbringers	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:37:00 - [143] A+ post needs more smileys. Beaches love the smileys.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:42:00 - [144] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war (FW) went and did low sec behaviour like life as normal, they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?. RA needs the moon, that a new one was available meant that they could compensate for thier recent loss to BoB without too much of a fight if any. As an Alliance they are doing that right, all they have to make sure of is who has sovereignty of the system, after all they have to PAY the Faction who has sovereignty for the right to have POS there don't they or are the Charters just Eye Candy in the LP stores?. Now while they had fun they forgot that they have now also endangered every other member of that Milita to unprovoked attack now as its possible RA has declared war even though they can't do anything but use normal low sec game mechanics by just setting Caldari Strike Force to flashing red/kill on sight. Is it now in the interest of RA to ensure the sovereignty of the system never falls to the Caldari Milita as some of its members want to play Alliance politics at the same time as FW? Wow the whole post is totally wrong. Which, I am sorry to say, justifies totally your name.
Viqtoria Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:46:00 - [145] has a goon said we're never going to be allowed to build up in lowsec again? 'cos that's kinda the direction their smack is heading . Heaven forbid a load of pvp nubs fight a superior foe using nothing but blobs and t1 ships, i mean, no other group has done that and survived amirite.
SARPIDON State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:56:00 - [146] I really hope someone ' in charge ' has thought this through.
Blue Charlo	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:56:00 - [147] Your sarcasm is biting and funny.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:57:00 - [148] god, so many 0.0 alliance chars whining ITT. i love it.
Aldee Federated Holdings	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:04:00 - [149] I got to hand it to CCP... they wanted to get more ppl out into low sec and found a way to get it done.
Machanara State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:05:00 - [150] Edited by: Machanara on 13/06/2008 18:10:07 Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Kaishain I think CCP should let alliances wardec militias OR disable militias from attacking "normal" players. Maybe CCP will, but then they would make it so that wardeccing alliances will be shot down in high-sec space by faction policy just as FW faction players would, effectively barring said alliances from a large part of high-sec. Why should militia pilots have that luxury in high sec when the appearantly can interfere with others business just like anyone else? When the militias decides to attack assets of outsider corps they should NOT have any protection from NPCs or gamemechanics. They should play on an even field. Man, don't you smell of an RA alt...shessh! Post with your main and THEN we can have a meaningful conversation about your RA and militias. Until then, go crawl back to your 0.0 rock and stay there.. edit- Oh! And the gall of people to WHINE about being shot in low-sec space over POS and whatnot!!! ROFL!! I did state it was LOW-SEC SPACE, right?? RA thoguht they were bad-ass and they got stompped and now they want to wine about it!! Typical Russians.... You cant have 0.0 AND low-sec space so you better pick which you want......and this is EXACTLY why CCP did not want Alliances in FW!! Point and match.

Reaver One Sigillum Militum Xpisti	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:09:00 - [151] Another important point to be made here. CS Militia fleets have had quite a rough time with pirates in low-sec. We've been harassed by nano-gangs, and we've had small to moderate pirate gangs just sitting at the gates we're camping, randomly targeting out members to get them to aggro, dropping cans labeled "you" and then warp-scramming them, all the usual tricks. I suppose since some folks here want the RA to be able to Dec a militia, then we should be able to declare these pirate gangs "enemies of the state" and hunt them through low-sec without getting flagged or taking a sec hit, right? Fair's fair, no? Conversely, we could just keep on handling it like we have been: educating our members not to fire when targeted, to ignore the standard tricks and to go ahead and accept the aggro and the sec hit and blow them the *$%# up when they cross the line....and the RA could damn well do the same.
facialimpediment GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:12:00 - [152] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: mynnna Originally by: Drenan Edited by: Drenan on 13/06/2008 13:41:54 ZOMG! The Goons are rattled and confirming their status as RA pets...FW really is going to to be the start of something big...rather than something awful. Keep dreaming. "The Goons" are laughing. Very, very hard. I KNOW THE GOONS ARE LAUGHING SO HARD RIGHT NOW AND POASTING they dont "get" the goons. THE GOONS KNOW WHAt you dont, dont mess w/ RA, RA is the best, i love RA, RA is awsome!!! lol, rofl, lol, the goons dont even care about any of this we just laugh lol and laugh and dont take any of this game seriously we are just playing goons in space Are you in Battlestars?
soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:13:00 - [153] oi, im just kinda curious, i read yesterday that Red Alliance lost like 3 motherships or carriers to the Caldari militia, and now its saying they are going to take on a RA station? i must ask.... why shouldnt the Caldari be focusing on the Gallente
Yarr2K 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:18:00 - [154] Edited by: Yarr2K on 13/06/2008 18:25:13 Originally by: Reaver One to go ahead and accept the aggro and the sec hit and blow them the $%# up I and many other FW players have no concerns about concord sec status and will be gleefully pursuing this policy. Remember that alot of us are pure pvp alts with seperate means of income so if you are considered a threat you will be fired upon. Those FW gangs filled with us will be the ones you aggresive neutrals will have to worry about. Once all the true newbs get settled in over the next few weeks things are gonna get frisky indeed. Originally by:* soldieroffortune 258 oi, im just kinda curious, i read yesterday that Red Alliance lost like 3 motherships or carriers to the Caldari militia, and now its saying they are going to take on a RA station? i must ask.... why shouldnt the Caldari be focusing on the Gallente Short version: Gallente wartarget drops a cyno and 3 RA carriers hotdrop in with negative security status. CS fleet pwns them and then goes off to harrass the RA station since RA decided to throw in thier lot with the frenchies. So yes CS were pursuing allies of the Gallente state therefore FW objectives were fullfilled.
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:26:00 - [155] Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war (FW) went and did low sec behaviour like life as normal, they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?. RA needs the moon, that a new one was available meant that they could compensate for thier recent loss to BoB without too much of a fight if any. As an Alliance they are doing that right, all they have to make sure of is who has sovereignty of the system, after all they have to PAY the Faction who has sovereignty for the right to have POS there don't they or are the Charters just Eye Candy in the LP stores?. Now while they had fun they forgot that they have now also endangered every other member of that Milita to unprovoked attack now as its possible RA has declared war even though they can't do anything but use normal low sec game mechanics by just setting Caldari Strike Force to flashing red/kill on sight. Is it now in the interest of RA to ensure the sovereignty of the system never falls to the Caldari Milita as some of its members want to play Alliance politics at the same time as FW? Wow the whole post is totally wrong. Which, I am sorry to say, justifies totally your name. Enlighten me and others, wrong in what way, NPC Milita's have private war (FW), valid everywhere, correct? Anyone can attack anyone in low sec and they do all the time, correct? RA cannot war dec a NPC corp, correct? RA needs replacement moon as they lost one 2 weeks ago, correct? RA took advantage of new systems to find moon and set up POS as its Cheap, NO WAR to gain a moon, correct? RA have to pay Starbase Charters to anchor thier POS in low sec, correct? Agro'n Corps and Alliances in low sec usually get some form of redress in some way on a corp basis (aka war dec), correct? RA can use normal low sec mechanics to avenge any loss of face with flashing red/kill on sight, correct? What ever Empire owns a system is a concern of RA as they pay Starbase charters to them, correct? RA may have a preference of owners, they may hold a grudge, we don't know what they are thinking thats why its a speculative question. OK where am i wrong? Stupid is a stupid posts
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:26:00 - [156] Quote: The siege of a known logistical highway executed by an organisated group IS a hostile act. You attacked RA first, even tho it may never have been you intention. Haha, what a load of BS. I could just as easily claim that non caldari FW aligned corps entering caldari space was a hostile act, and that therefore not only were the militia justified in defending themselves once you attacked them, the factional NPC's should have got into the act too! Your excuses are silly. The RA carriers attacked people who were not attacking them, and then proceeded to lose their carriers. I think it's great that their alliance can't wardec the militias. If an alliance could war dec the militias there'd be no excuse for every alliance to not perma wardec the militias and just have free targets everywhere. If RA wants to continue to attack the caldari militia, they can of course do so in low sec like they already did, or they can have a corp join the gallente militia.
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:38:00 - [157] Edited by: Ulstan on 13/06/2008 18:40:54 Man, is Kaishan typical of 0.0 players? He spends this whole thread whining up and down about some losses in low sec. Good grief. No, your alliance cannot wardec the militia. Too bad. This is no different than if a bunch of people in any other NPC corp had been on the gate and blown up your ships instead. In fact, you actually have more of a recourse with the militias: you can wardec militias, just with corps instead of alliances. And of course, you can shoot them freely in low sec (as you tried to do already) So, pick yourself up off the ground, stop your incessant crying, dry your tears, and adapt given the mechanics given you. There's no uneven playing field here: the militia can't wardec anyone themselves either. If you don't want the militia to be able to freely attack you, it's easy to avoid. I'd suggest you start by revising your definition of 'hostile act' which so far appears to consist of "you were in the same system as us". That's not going to get you anywhere. FW is now part of 'normal' EVE gameplay and crying moaning about it won't change that. The militia follows the exact same rules as you do. They can't war dec you, you can't wardec them. They can only shoot you in low sec if they take a sec hit, you can only shoot them in low sec if you take a sec hit. I fail to see a problem.
Straight Chillen Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:38:00 - [158] all i see coming out of this is a POS' loaded with small proj. I just wish i could gun for who ever puts one up
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:45:00 - [159] Quote: I am free to fight 0,0-alliances whereever i want to. I can attack their assets, logistics, ratters, miners, missionrunners. This is not possible when it comes to militias, YET militias are still able to have the same negateive impact on others as the 0,0 alliances does. Blatantly untrue. You can attack militias logistics, ratters, miners, missionrunners in 0.0 exactly like you could any other entity. You can fight them in low sec exactly the way they can fight you, and exactly the same way you fight any other group of players in an NPC corp. They can't attack you in hi sec, you can't attack them in hi sec. Militias have exactly the same ability to impact you as you do to impact them. They follow all the same rules you do. Claiming otherwise just shows you're a whiner.
Siigari Kitawa The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:47:00 - [160] This thread is Comedy Gold, move it to the goldmine!

Viqtoria Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:49:00 - [161] Originally by: Straight Chillen all i see coming out of this is a POS' loaded with small proj. I just wish i could gun for who ever puts one up your tongue must look like toilet paper by now. ewwwwww.
Doppleganger Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:54:00 - [162] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo RA needs replacement moon as they lost one 2 weeks ago, correct? RA took advantage of new systems to find moon and set up POS as its Cheap, NO WAR to gain a moon, correct? RA have to pay Starbase Charters to anchor thier POS in low sec, correct? What ever Empire owns a system is a concern of RA as they pay Starbase charters to them, correct? RA may have a preference of owners, they may hold a grudge, we don't know what they are thinking thats why its a speculative question. OK where am i wrong? Stupid is a stupid posts Wrong as posted earlier in this thread starbase charters are only needed in 0.4 systems and higher. 0.3 systems and lower need no charters. So unless the pos is at a moon in 0.4 system which is unlikely since moons in 0.4 normally dont have the rares.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:00:00 - [163] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Enlighten me and others, wrong in what way, NPC Milita's have private war (FW), valid everywhere, correct? Anyone can attack anyone in low sec and they do all the time, correct? RA cannot war dec a NPC corp, correct? RA needs replacement moon as they lost one 2 weeks ago, correct? RA took advantage of new systems to find moon and set up POS as its Cheap, NO WAR to gain a moon, correct? RA have to pay Starbase Charters to anchor thier POS in low sec, correct? Agro'n Corps and Alliances in low sec usually get some form of redress in some way on a corp basis (aka war dec), correct? RA can use normal low sec mechanics to avenge any loss of face with flashing red/kill on sight, correct? What ever Empire owns a system is a concern of RA as they pay Starbase charters to them, correct? RA may have a preference of owners, they may hold a grudge, we don't know what they are thinking thats why its a speculative question. OK where am i wrong? Stupid is a stupid posts Black Rise is low sec not 0.0. There is no sovereignty held by Player alliances even if they start licking Oveurs boots. Or do more kinky stuff to CCP staff as whole. POSes in low sec do not need Charters to operate. These are only needed by POSes in high sec. Empires are NPC entities and most surely are not planning putting any POSes in low sec, or denying anyone do that, in the lowsec that resides in their territory. If anything changes for that, I am pretty sure that RA will have to deal with players and not NPCs, since players will have to maintain a control over the system. Which means that it would be just a task of RA making sure that this system stays in their control. Overall your posts shows complete lack of understanding of EvE mechanics. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Itzena GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:05:00 - [164] Originally by: Hohne RA are hopeless allies and much more fun to shoot. Speaking as someone who had them for an ally for over a year and shot them for several months too, not speaking like Jakke is being 1 month old. Their home systems ARE undefended and very easy to get kills in sure you're not going to walk in and knock over towers, but that's just no fun. Shooting their very extensive network of industrialists is quite feasible and fun. They're running logistics from the drone regions to pure blind and feyth. That gives alot of things to shoot. LoL at the people that think this is a bad thing for FW. LOL at the people who don't know you can't DD in lowsec (especially those in alliances that have several titans and still don't know). It's the same as it ever was. If you have assets, you are open to attack by ANYBODY, if you don't have assets sitting in a danger zone you can't be hurt no matter how big and scary the alliance is. I can quite expect RA can muster enough people to defend a moon. But I can also expect the FW guys can go and put it in reinforced twice a week just for lols. They're in LOWSEC, you don't need to wardec them to shoot them, no one does. And as soon as someone puts a tower on the moon, you can be wardecced. No one in the militia can put up a POS, so they can't threaten RA's actual sov systems, all they can do is knock down towers in lowsec. Wow, big deal. It may mean that alliances struggle to hold territory at opposite ends of the map as well as all of lowsec. I can't see how this is a bad thing for anyone. Haha you're in SMASH.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:10:00 - [165] if you destroy a defended RA pos i'll eat my ******* chimera
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:17:00 - [166] wtf is this about? A NPC Corporation killed 3 (three) Capital Ships (you know the ones that aren't immune to ecm) and reinforce 1 (ONE) Tower in low security sector and are now the kings of eve? When looking at the reports and killmails, you manage to blob 5 carriers with about 100 people but only killed 3 of them. Now this thread, nearly 200 people blobbing one tower and you lost 37 ships, and you still bragging about it? Seriously, Capship ganks and tower reinforcements happend every day. I don't see why this is a stunning success. The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch..
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:19:00 - [167] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer wtf is this about? A NPC Corporation killed 3 (three) Capital Ships (you know the ones that aren't immune to ecm) and reinforce 1 (ONE) Tower in low security sector and are now the kings of eve? When looking at the reports and killmails, you manage to blob 5 carriers with about 100 people but only killed 3 of them. Now this thread, nearly 200 people blobbing one tower and you lost 37 ships, and you still bragging about it? Seriously, Capship ganks and tower reinforcements happend every day. I don't see why this is a stunning success. this is the biggest victory most people have had since beating Worlds Collide the first time Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Viqtoria Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:19:00 - [168] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer wtf is this about? A NPC Corporation killed 3 (three) Capital Ships (you know the ones that aren't immune to ecm) and reinforce 1 (ONE) Tower in low security sector and are now the kings of eve? When looking at the reports and killmails, you manage to blob 5 carriers with about 100 people but only killed 3 of them. Now this thread, nearly 200 people blobbing one tower and you lost 37 ships, and you still bragging about it? Seriously, Capship ganks and tower reinforcements happend every day. I don't see why this is a stunning success. lmao, go back to caod you cowardly alt troll
Pamangkin Notneir Industry LLC	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:41:00 - [169] Originally by: Straight Chillen You guys are making a huge huge mistake ****ing RA off. Please. Dont Stop. Lol need a paper to wipe your nose?
TylerJames XERCORE	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:42:00 - [170] Originally by: Dramaticus Originally by: MineralOel Steuer wtf is this about? A NPC Corporation killed 3 (three) Capital Ships (you know the ones that aren't immune to ecm) and reinforce 1 (ONE) Tower in low security sector and are now the kings of eve? When looking at the reports and killmails, you manage to blob 5 carriers with about 100 people but only killed 3 of them. Now this thread, nearly 200 people blobbing one tower and you lost 37 ships, and you still bragging about it? Seriously, Capship ganks and tower reinforcements happend every day. I don't see why this is a stunning success. this is the biggest victory most people have had since beating Worlds Collide the first time Yeah kinda reminds me of your victory against BoB....oh wait I see what I did there.

Lord Fitz Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:44:00 - [171] Originally by: Le Skunk My local RA Dyspro moon has gone into reinforced twice now. Souther Cross Alliance (with bob support) did it once Styx, Beacboys and other BOB pets did it the next tiume When it came out of reinforced, SCA were utterly humiliated When the bob pets tried it, they lost 3 moms, 8 dreads (you may remember the news item). The news item said STYX lost two motherships, and tried it again with BoB support and succeeded. (more recent news item you may not remember since it was immediately swamped by FW news items). Originally by: Doppleganger Originally by: Brainless Bimbo RA needs replacement moon as they lost one 2 weeks ago, correct? RA took advantage of new systems to find moon and set up POS as its Cheap, NO WAR to gain a moon, correct? RA have to pay Starbase Charters to anchor thier POS in low sec, correct? OK where am i wrong? Stupid is a stupid posts Wrong as posted earlier in this thread starbase charters are only needed in 0.4 systems and higher. 0.3 systems and lower need no charters. So unless the pos is at a moon in 0.4 system which is unlikely since moons in 0.4 normally dont have the rares. Actually wrong for a different reason. You can't moon mine in 0.4, or any system that requires charters. 0.3 and lower you can moon mine and requires no charters. There are plenty of good moons in 0.4 (the chance of them isn't based on sec status), you just can't mine any of them. (and there aren't that many 0.4 systems in comparison to lower sec systems.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:49:00 - [172] Originally by: TylerJames Originally by: Dramaticus Originally by: MineralOel Steuer wtf is this about? A NPC Corporation killed 3 (three) Capital Ships (you know the ones that aren't immune to ecm) and reinforce 1 (ONE) Tower in low security sector and are now the kings of eve? When looking at the reports and killmails, you manage to blob 5 carriers with about 100 people but only killed 3 of them. Now this thread, nearly 200 people blobbing one tower and you lost 37 ships, and you still bragging about it? Seriously, Capship ganks and tower reinforcements happend every day. I don't see why this is a stunning success. this is the biggest victory most people have had since beating Worlds Collide the first time Yeah kinda reminds me of your victory against BoB....oh wait I see what I did there. oh man that joke never gets old does it im going to repeat it in local as i pass through the 5 regions we kicked them out of
Straight Chillen Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:55:00 - [173] Originally by: Pamangkin Originally by: Straight Chillen You guys are making a huge huge mistake ****ing RA off. Please. Dont Stop. Lol need a paper to wipe your nose? If u took a moment, you wouldve realised i'm not in RA, infact i could careless weither they hold the moon or lose it. But I have seen RA in action and i know what kind of hell they can bring. Dont forget, The Japanese thought it was a great idea to bomb Pearl Harbor. Look what it got them.
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:59:00 - [174] Edited by: Brainless Bimbo on 13/06/2008 20:03:59 Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Enlighten me and others, wrong in what way, NPC Milita's have private war (FW), valid everywhere, correct? Anyone can attack anyone in low sec and they do all the time, correct? RA cannot war dec a NPC corp, correct? RA needs replacement moon as they lost one 2 weeks ago, correct? RA took advantage of new systems to find moon and set up POS as its Cheap, NO WAR to gain a moon, correct? RA have to pay Starbase Charters to anchor thier POS in low sec, correct? Agro'n Corps and Alliances in low sec usually get some form of redress in some way on a corp basis (aka war dec), correct? RA can use normal low sec mechanics to avenge any loss of face with flashing red/kill on sight, correct? What ever Empire owns a system is a concern of RA as they pay Starbase charters to them, correct? RA may have a preference of owners, they may hold a grudge, we don't know what they are thinking thats why its a speculative question. OK where am i wrong? Stupid is a stupid posts Black Rise is low sec not 0.0. There is no sovereignty held by Player alliances even if they start licking Oveurs boots. Or do more kinky stuff to CCP staff as whole. POSes in low sec do not need Charters to operate. These are only needed by POSes in high sec. Empires are NPC entities and most surely are not planning putting any POSes in low sec, or denying anyone do that, in the lowsec that resides in their territory. If anything changes for that, I am pretty sure that RA will have to deal with players and not NPCs, since players will have to maintain a control over the system. Which means that it would be just a task of RA making sure that this system stays in their control. Overall your posts shows complete lack of understanding of EvE mechanics. LOl, ok good troll. now to feed you. i did state that it was low sec. I never said Alliances could hold soveriegnty did I? ..... I said it concerns them who has it due to Starbase charters. Umm i think you may be wrong on the starbase charter stuff, i've never seen a POS in high sec, please point me to the nearest one plz, there must be thousands about as charters are cheap. I'm sure someone will tell us who's right, say someone who has a low sec POS for example. Empires are NPC, correct you know something, all existing Stations when Black Rise was opened to pod pilots were NPC Stations, i know it must come as a shock to you, but, in fact low sec systems are full of NPC stations, haven't you ever been there yet? Overall your post shows that your reading and comprehension skills are worse than my eve mechanics skills. Edit: as the Charted stuff has been clarified above, they don't need a charter it seems so who owns it don't matter, so i stand corrected on that point, thx for clarification, but still i've never seen a POS in high sec, have you? ...... continues overleaf.
Hannobaal Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.13 20:12:00 - [175] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Umm i think you may be wrong on the starbase charter stuff, i've never seen a POS in high sec, please point me to the nearest one plz, there must be thousands about as charters are cheap. I'm sure someone will tell us who's right, say someone who has a low sec POS for example. There are POS's in high sec, but they're typically for research because you can't do moon mining there. Charters are only needed for a POS in 0.4 or higher. A POS in 0.3 or lower is just like an 0.0 POS in every way except that (of course) you can't claim sovereignity with it.
William Alex Viscosity space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.06.13 20:19:00 - [176] Edited by: William Alex on 13/06/2008 20:19:34 :D
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.06.13 20:20:00 - [177] Originally by: Straight Chillen Originally by: Pamangkin Originally by: Straight Chillen You guys are making a huge huge mistake ****ing RA off. Please. Dont Stop. Lol need a paper to wipe your nose? If u took a moment, you wouldve realised i'm not in RA, infact i could careless weither they hold the moon or lose it. But I have seen RA in action and i know what kind of hell they can bring. Dont forget, The Japanese thought it was a great idea to bomb Pearl Harbor. Look what it got them. Yeah, RA really should devote all their efforts holding back 4,000 caldari militia from their factional warfare zone. Who knows, they might kill a few caracals and lose a few more carriers. And whilst they do that, I spy plenty of RA Promethium and Dysprosium moons sitting undefended in 0.0 ripe for anyones picking. You see, it just does not work. RA are not scary. Having lots of caps isnt scary (show me a major alliance who doesn't). They cannot be in two places at once, and frankly if I was a noob Caldari Militiaman I would be laughing my rear end off right now. Its not about the carriers, or the POS, it's the fact a bunch of disorganised new players in Caracals did it. Thats the comedy, and that is the point. The people bleating on about how scary and uber RA are miss the point completely.
Something Random Aliastra	Posted - 2008.06.13 20:36:00 - [178] Does this mean the Caldari Militia forces FC's are using there blobs for 0.0 politik ?
Straight Chillen Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.06.13 20:43:00 - [179] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Straight Chillen Originally by: Pamangkin Originally by: Straight Chillen You guys are making a huge huge mistake ****ing RA off. Please. Dont Stop. Lol need a paper to wipe your nose? If u took a moment, you wouldve realised i'm not in RA, infact i could careless weither they hold the moon or lose it. But I have seen RA in action and i know what kind of hell they can bring. Dont forget, The Japanese thought it was a great idea to bomb Pearl Harbor. Look what it got them. Yeah, RA really should devote all their efforts holding back 4,000 caldari militia from their factional warfare zone. Who knows, they might kill a few caracals and lose a few more carriers. And whilst they do that, I spy plenty of RA Promethium and Dysprosium moons sitting undefended in 0.0 ripe for anyones picking. You see, it just does not work. RA are not scary. Having lots of caps isnt scary (show me a major alliance who doesn't). They cannot be in two places at once, and frankly if I was a noob Caldari Militiaman I would be laughing my rear end off right now. Its not about the carriers, or the POS, it's the fact a bunch of disorganised new players in Caracals did it. Thats the comedy, and that is the point. The people bleating on about how scary and uber RA are miss the point completely. Your exactly correct, but it doesnt change the fact that the majority of RA has plenty of alts, and im sure they would be willing to form a corp on behalf of the gal militia if it aids their defence of the moon. 0.0 can being boring at best some times, you've given then a new avenue to have fun. Will be interesting to see what they do.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.06.13 20:46:00 - [180] Originally by: Something Random Does this mean the Caldari Militia forces FC's are using there blobs for 0.0 politik ? No it means RA is meddling with inside politics. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As

Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 20:54:00 - [181] Quote: Does this mean the Caldari Militia forces FC's are using there blobs for 0.0 politik ? No, it means RA is using their carriers for low sec piracy.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.06.13 20:58:00 - [182] FW: bringing empire chars into CAOD
musgrattio Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:10:00 - [183] Good to see that FW is messing around, doing what they shouldn't be. You need to remember that RA has 2 things going for them, isk and tenacity. Luckily for FW, it's hard for them to use either of those things against you. I just hope you don't show up in caracals and ospreys to kill the tower when the time comes :) Also, many 0.0 entities are watching this development with interest, I think we will see the time when RA hotdrops FW forces only to find themselves hotdropped. Protecting poses in low sec can be a nightmare, especially for alliances who rely on supercapitals to a great extent.
Furb Killer USC Militia	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:12:00 - [184] Since topic starts to become kinda pointless anyway, i might as well announce that gallente militia did poor imitation of caldari militia and destroyed one pirate carrier.
FlameGlow State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:17:00 - [185] Originally by: Straight Chillen Your exactly correct, but it doesnt change the fact that the majority of RA has plenty of alts, and im sure they would be willing to form a corp on behalf of the gal militia if it aids their defence of the moon. 0.0 can being boring at best some times, you've given then a new avenue to have fun. Will be interesting to see what they do. Nah, it's better still to join Caldari militia instead and reanchor POS with one of them alts. Voila, as gallente would say, POS is guarded by a caldari blob most of the time, so are its haulers/refuelers
Zaller Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:25:00 - [186] Originally by: Jim Bridger Hi, I'm Jim Bridger. I'm an empire guy. I don't know squat about alliance politics or "the rules". Nor care. After a few days in FW it's clear to me that popular FW fleet commanders are going to wield the power (inside their area of operations) of old-fashioned barbarian kings. People like me will flock to their banners so long as they are winning and making the fleet operations fun. And we pretty much will follow them anywhere, and shoot at whatever they tell us, so long as it stays fun. Last night FC Boromir (not sure about spelling so I gave him the heroic one) screwed up and told us all to jump through a gate that turned out to lead into Gallente highsec. We jumped. <<-- this is the key information in this story. He cursed, apologized, organized our withdrawal under Gallente faction navy fire, stood at the gate tanking the Navy until he had all his peeps out that were getting out, and promised to take care of the (astonishingly few) casualties. He's an instant legend for taking down the RA carriers, he will have a hundred-man blob to play with any night he cares to say "x up" in Nourv local. We, the newbs of the Caldari militia, will follow him anywhere and shoot what he tells us. We won't care about the politics, because we've got nothing to lose and because it's fun. There will be other FCs like him. They will be accountable to no one but the people in their blob. Their power will ebb and flow, but the good ones will always have a fleet. And the more famous they are, the more expensive will be the ships people will be willing to risk under their command. I've been bringing T1 thrashers because that's what I can afford to lose forever. But my effectiveness has been low. I'm starting to think, what can I bring that this FC needs and will use? My advice for the alliance diplomats? Identify the popular FCs and bribe them, or reach an accomodation. Boromir would (I'm just guessing) love to have a thousand fitted t1 cruisers sitting in a hangar in Nourv -- the alliance who delivered that would get a lot of consideration from him during FW operations, I'm guessing. I was skeptical about FW, but the more I see of it, the more delighted I get. CCP has upset the applecart in lowsec, but done it in a way that leaves lots of room for delightful chaos, astonishing events, and epic fun. This post wins the thread. You just convinced me to take a trip to empire to check this fw stuff out. It sounds amazing I also find it ironic that the way fc's gain followings/power in FW, seems to be the same way fc's gain followings/power in my 0.0 alliance (from my limited experience).
Elison Muerte The Halibuts	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:36:00 - [187] Originally by: Jim Bridger Hi, I'm Jim Bridger. I'm an empire guy. I don't know squat about alliance politics or "the rules". Nor care. After a few days in FW it's clear to me that popular FW fleet commanders are going to wield the power (inside their area of operations) of old-fashioned barbarian kings. People like me will flock to their banners so long as they are winning and making the fleet operations fun. And we pretty much will follow them anywhere, and shoot at whatever they tell us, so long as it stays fun. Last night FC Boromir (not sure about spelling so I gave him the heroic one) screwed up and told us all to jump through a gate that turned out to lead into Gallente highsec. We jumped. <<-- this is the key information in this story. He cursed, apologized, organized our withdrawal under Gallente faction navy fire, stood at the gate tanking the Navy until he had all his peeps out that were getting out, and promised to take care of the (astonishingly few) casualties. He's an instant legend for taking down the RA carriers, he will have a hundred-man blob to play with any night he cares to say "x up" in Nourv local. We, the newbs of the Caldari militia, will follow him anywhere and shoot what he tells us. We won't care about the politics, because we've got nothing to lose and because it's fun. There will be other FCs like him. They will be accountable to no one but the people in their blob. Their power will ebb and flow, but the good ones will always have a fleet. And the more famous they are, the more expensive will be the ships people will be willing to risk under their command. I've been bringing T1 thrashers because that's what I can afford to lose forever. But my effectiveness has been low. I'm starting to think, what can I bring that this FC needs and will use? My advice for the alliance diplomats? Identify the popular FCs and bribe them, or reach an accomodation. Boromir would (I'm just guessing) love to have a thousand fitted t1 cruisers sitting in a hangar in Nourv -- the alliance who delivered that would get a lot of consideration from him during FW operations, I'm guessing. I was skeptical about FW, but the more I see of it, the more delighted I get. CCP has upset the applecart in lowsec, but done it in a way that leaves lots of room for delightful chaos, astonishing events, and epic fun. i was in that fleet too, i joined minutes after the carrier take down, give it a few months and make a post 'were you in the RA carrier killing fleet?' and more that 160 people will claim they were
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:05:00 - [188] Sadly I was not in that fleet until several hours after the carriers. I have never seen a carrier. I expect that to change shortly.
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:07:00 - [189] Originally by: Kaishain Also why is it that to you, them attacking us in FW areas where they have no business is ok but when we attack back its suddenly wrong? I don't say it is wrong for you to attack them. I say it is wrong that they don't have the ability to retaliate in a way that they would (possibly) retaliate on any other entity attacking them. RA can build titans and moms, control 0.0, claim sov...etc. If they are ****ed about losing an hour or two worth of their dysp income, they can join a militia to fight against the Caldari, or HTFU and accept that their actions will have consequences when they open fire on pilots flying as members of an NPC empire.
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:14:00 - [190] I just wish it would've been done by the Gallente, because as funny as the kills are, if RA feels like it, and doesn't mind risking tons of standing hits with the State, they're going to take this calm period of ISK raking they have and use it to just completely storm the Caldari systems and kill every militia person they find. As fun as FW is, I really don't feel like having to wonder if one of those Gallente FW guys I'm shooting is fit with a cyno ready to help RA hotdrop on us, or if that nice target is bait for a logonski.

Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:16:00 - [191] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Is it now in the interest of RA to ensure the sovereignty of the system never falls to the Caldari Milita as some of its members want to play Alliance politics at the same time as FW? Tama is in the citadel, it belongs to the Caldari already. It's the Gallente that'd have to take it from us...
Falcon Troy State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:16:00 - [192] I don't know why people are whining about this. FW is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing: Shaking things up. We have new players getting the courage to go out and wreck some PVP havoc. 3 RA Carriers got popped by a blob of noobs in cruisers and frigates, for the most part. I think the Caldari have the numbers to actually fight multiple fronts and it gives Alliances the opportunity of using the Militias as allies for their own ends. I think it's all great fun, enjoy it.
Newsflash NorthUnited	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:16:00 - [193] is this whole threat full of RA alts or why the major whinage? hell i think RA have just about ******* enough moons in their greedy hands allready, so i think this is only right and fair. GO caldari!
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:20:00 - [194] Originally by: Falcon Troy I don't know why people are whining about this. FW is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing: Shaking things up. We have new players getting the courage to go out and wreck some PVP havoc. 3 RA Carriers got popped by a blob of noobs in cruisers and frigates, for the most part. I think the Caldari have the numbers to actually fight multiple fronts and it gives Alliances the opportunity of using the Militias as allies for their own ends. I think it's all great fun, enjoy it. It's almost like RA finally had to fight Goonswarm for a change isn't it? rimshot They said FW was supposed to be a stepping stone from high sec to 0.0. I'm not sure this is quite what they were thinking of, but I'd have to say there's some indication of success in this.
Ron Bacardi State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:29:00 - [195] Edited by: Ron Bacardi on 13/06/2008 22:29:29 whoops, wrong thread.
Aren Evalin	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:14:00 - [196] This is going to be hilarious.
Halkin Locus Solus	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:31:00 - [197] Originally by: Viqtoria .. main nothing to see here, move along Originally by: Elise Randolph Everybody wins when trolls get trolled.
Halkin Locus Solus	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:38:00 - [198] Originally by: Kaishain Baltec: 1. RA attacked US first, with it being our main line of reinforcements it has a very good defencive force. Doesn't matter. An organised entity interfered with established logistical routes and that's viewed as a hostile act anywhere else in Eve. 2. Up untill that point I have seen no RA or in fact any other corp/allience haulers being attacked on that gate. Doesn't matter. The mere fact of a large armed group on a low-sec gate hinders any player with any 0,0/low-sec experience from passing thru in a normal fashion. This IS a hostile act. 3. RA dont own that system Up until now eve-pleyers have been able to claim systems to different degrees and have had the means to enforce this to different degrees. If the militias had been a normal corp you would probably face a wardec and take hits in your high-sec activities and logistics. 4. One of the RA carriers left unharmed because it did not open fire, only the ships that attacked us were considered targets. Read above doesn't matter. 5. I have run into lots of RA gangs taking on FW pilots in the contested systems and INSIDE capture zones. Doen't matter. Is it any wonder that we consider them a hostile target? So the mlitias should get the benefits of normal corps in combat without having to deal with the drawbacks of facing retaliation? You should be able to attack and destroy assets that your FC's decide but the attacked groups shouldn't be able to get back to you in normal ways? this whole post doesnt matter, what are you some kind of fan boi? either way lots of ppl seem to be having fun Originally by: Elise Randolph Everybody wins when trolls get trolled.
Halkin Locus Solus	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:41:00 - [199] Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov Soon, the muggles will learn why you do NOT ** WITH THE RUSSIANS. Even being an ally with them we still know who not to with (pst, Russians). did someone rattle the cage? Originally by:** Elise Randolph Everybody wins when trolls get trolled.
Yarr2K 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:43:00 - [200] Edited by: Yarr2K on 13/06/2008 23:44:40 Originally by: Halkin Originally by: Kaishain lulz this whole post doesnt matter, what are you some kind of fan boi? either way lots of ppl seem to be having fun Exactly. Threats of bringing more ships for the FW fleets to shoot at isn't exactly going to be a deterent. This is what we want them to do.

kablesky Locus Solus	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:45:00 - [201] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war (FW) went and did low sec behaviour like life as normal, they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?. RA needs the moon, that a new one was available meant that they could compensate for thier recent loss to BoB without too much of a fight if any. As an Alliance they are doing that right, all they have to make sure of is who has sovereignty of the system, after all they have to PAY the Faction who has sovereignty for the right to have POS there don't they or are the Charters just Eye Candy in the LP stores?. Now while they had fun they forgot that they have now also endangered every other member of that Milita to unprovoked attack now as its possible RA has declared war even though they can't do anything but use normal low sec game mechanics by just setting Caldari Strike Force to flashing red/kill on sight. Is it now in the interest of RA to ensure the sovereignty of the system never falls to the Caldari Milita as some of its members want to play Alliance politics at the same time as FW? Wow the whole post is totally wrong. Which, I am sorry to say, justifies totally your name. Enlighten me and others, wrong in what way, NPC Milita's have private war (FW), valid everywhere, correct? Anyone can attack anyone in low sec and they do all the time, correct? RA cannot war dec a NPC corp, correct? RA needs replacement moon as they lost one 2 weeks ago, correct? RA took advantage of new systems to find moon and set up POS as its Cheap, NO WAR to gain a moon, correct? RA have to pay Starbase Charters to anchor thier POS in low sec, correct? Agro'n Corps and Alliances in low sec usually get some form of redress in some way on a corp basis (aka war dec), correct? RA can use normal low sec mechanics to avenge any loss of face with flashing red/kill on sight, correct? What ever Empire owns a system is a concern of RA as they pay Starbase charters to them, correct? RA may have a preference of owners, they may hold a grudge, we don't know what they are thinking thats why its a speculative question. OK where am i wrong? Stupid is a stupid posts this post is not entirely correct
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.14 00:07:00 - [202] Originally by: kablesky Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Yes a gang of Milita working outside thier corps private war (FW) went and did low sec behaviour like life as normal, they know they are safe from war dec from RA, so why not?. RA needs the moon, that a new one was available meant that they could compensate for thier recent loss to BoB without too much of a fight if any. As an Alliance they are doing that right, all they have to make sure of is who has sovereignty of the system, after all they have to PAY the Faction who has sovereignty for the right to have POS there don't they or are the Charters just Eye Candy in the LP stores?. Now while they had fun they forgot that they have now also endangered every other member of that Milita to unprovoked attack now as its possible RA has declared war even though they can't do anything but use normal low sec game mechanics by just setting Caldari Strike Force to flashing red/kill on sight. Is it now in the interest of RA to ensure the sovereignty of the system never falls to the Caldari Milita as some of its members want to play Alliance politics at the same time as FW? Wow the whole post is totally wrong. Which, I am sorry to say, justifies totally your name. Enlighten me and others, wrong in what way, NPC Milita's have private war (FW), valid everywhere, correct? Anyone can attack anyone in low sec and they do all the time, correct? RA cannot war dec a NPC corp, correct? RA needs replacement moon as they lost one 2 weeks ago, correct? RA took advantage of new systems to find moon and set up POS as its Cheap, NO WAR to gain a moon, correct? RA have to pay Starbase Charters to anchor thier POS in low sec, correct? Agro'n Corps and Alliances in low sec usually get some form of redress in some way on a corp basis (aka war dec), correct? RA can use normal low sec mechanics to avenge any loss of face with flashing red/kill on sight, correct? What ever Empire owns a system is a concern of RA as they pay Starbase charters to them, correct? RA may have a preference of owners, they may hold a grudge, we don't know what they are thinking thats why its a speculative question. OK where am i wrong? Stupid is a(s) stupid posts this post is not entirely correct I know, they know and we know you know. I'm a nb, didn't realise that moon mining POS's have to be in 0.3 and don't need charters, but hey gotta learn some way about this stuff without trawling the appropiate forum or trying to build one (lol). Oh and i forgot that s in the last line ...... continues overleaf.
Skydiver88	Posted - 2008.06.14 01:45:00 - [203] anyone know what system this is in?
Siigari Kitawa The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:16:00 - [204] Requesting update! www.siigarikitawa.com
Furb Killer USC Militia	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:41:00 - [205] Originally by: Skydiver88 anyone know what system this is in? Tama i believe (since that system is 90% of the time occupied by caldari fleets)
Space Shifter Virulence. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:57:00 - [206] It's not hard to figure out. Poke the BEAR too many times or hell any large alliance. That you start messing with there 3+ bil per month income. It tends to draw a response Would not be to fun to find 400 ra + goonies Sittin in your Faction warfare playground... With that said i kinda doubt the RA Logistics lines were messed up. As we have these new toys called Jump Freighters! :) thank you CCP We loadem up in jita pop a cyno at the pos and wham jumpfreighter appears at the tower no goin through gate camps nothin.... so to hear that the FW guys were threating some large alliance's Logistics lines is just rubbish.... now for the smaller corps / alliances that have to run haulers through this i can see it is a problem... as the Faction warfare Guys Depending on what FC is there seem to attack unprovoked... My Gang who were only hunting Flashies and not the FW guys in tama were attacked after a FC with the Faction warfare asked for a 1v1 he took our can at the gate as not to loose sec status and when he drake started going down alot faster then he expected he called for his Gang to go global and attack us.... was funny too see 1/4 of there fleet getting owned by the gate guns.... while trying to attack a BS fleet we lost 1 raven out of the deal got about 10 + kill's and had a blast picking them off one at a time as they warped back to the gate still blinkin away and there buddies sittin at planet 1 waiting out there global.... Btw hope the FC is happy he was ordering the poding of a few alts we kept sending to planet 1 to keep the sec status dropping... :) bet that brutix pilot likes his new low sec life for the next few months with that sexy -6.7 sec status :) sure he's not the only one...
skogg	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:13:00 - [207] Oh wait, you guys were the silly failliance guys in local last night... It was a few more than 1 BS, maybe you should get your guys to post losses accurately. Consider yourself training drones, like seriously...
Space Shifter Virulence. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:18:00 - [208] Edited by: Space Shifter on 14/06/2008 08:19:01 Originally by: skogg Oh wait, you guys were the silly failliance guys in local last night... It was a few more than 1 BS, maybe you should get your guys to post losses accurately. Consider yourself training drones, like seriously... ROFL.... Bring something to the table m8 instead of the silly smack talk that was spewing from you guys last night.... Plain and Simple we were not there for you guys last night only the Flashy's You attacked unprovoked and yes my mistake 110 V about a 11 man fleet you guys got 2 BS and a BC the BC jumped in 10 min after the initial fight just to score a few kills on all the blinkies in local :) Also keep laughing... as we came out with a 91% eff for the fight
El'Niaga Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:28:00 - [209] Okay if the militias are going to engage in alliance warfare the alliances need the power to declare war on them...
Space Shifter Virulence. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:33:00 - [210] Originally by: El'Niaga Okay if the militias are going to engage in alliance warfare the alliances need the power to declare war on them... To say the truth CCP would never allow that and for reason's i can see as you would have priviteers decking them 23/7 and a few others. It would turn FW into a pile of crap at that point... Yes it does need some tweaking and i'm sure you will see ccp in the next few patches make some changes but as for being able to deck them as a whole.. i just see to many bad effects comming out of that.... Remember alot of these guys are alts so you can always look at the employment history and go cause a world of pain on there mains who are sittin back in hi-sec or 0.0 enjoying the easy life :) they have moons too......

Gamesguy Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:35:00 - [211] Originally by: ShardowRhino IF the russians are as big and bad as their supports want to suggest then why do they need allies? why not just steamroll the other groups as well? To suggest that RA could hold back, what was it 3k caldari militia members while being attacked by any alliance out there is kind of funny. Its funny because RA would need to put a large force 23/7 to block off the militia players. They would have to do this knowing that everyone in Eve is going to be watching. A protracted fight would definitely get some alliances thinking,planning and making some moves. IF for some reason no alliance makes a move against RA while the Russians deal with the militia players then every alliance out there would need to castrate themselves because the "empire noobs" are more then willing to fight a major alliance and they themselves are to scared to do anything against RA. You vastly overestimate the faction militia's abilities. The first time that rabble of caracals and drakes run into a real fleet it will die be hilarious to watch.
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:40:00 - [212] Originally by: El'Niaga Okay if the militias are going to engage in alliance warfare the alliances need the power to declare war on them... But its ok for alliances to engage the militas? How about they just stay in 0.0 if they cant stand the heat in lowsec... Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Space Shifter Virulence. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:45:00 - [213] Originally by: Shintai Originally by: El'Niaga Okay if the militias are going to engage in alliance warfare the alliances need the power to declare war on them... But its ok for alliances to engage the militas? How about they just stay in 0.0 if they cant stand the heat in lowsec... Would be nice but alot of us who cant afford a 5 Bil isk jump Freighter or who travel from 0.0 to empire on Roams... kinda gotta go through the low sec's and lasttime i checked Tama was there way before FW was around... You also have alot of people who hunt the Ewbile Piwates of low sec and you are interfering with them... aswell
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:48:00 - [214] Originally by: Space Shifter Originally by: Shintai Originally by: El'Niaga Okay if the militias are going to engage in alliance warfare the alliances need the power to declare war on them... But its ok for alliances to engage the militas? How about they just stay in 0.0 if they cant stand the heat in lowsec... Would be nice but alot of us who cant afford a 5 Bil isk jump Freighter or who travel from 0.0 to empire on Roams... kinda gotta go through the low sec's and lasttime i checked Tama was there way before FW was around... You also have alot of people who hunt the Ewbile Piwates of low sec and you are interfering with them... aswell How is the saying again? Adapt or go hide in empire? Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Space Shifter Virulence. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:49:00 - [215] All i'm saying is Stick to your FW warfare and have a Blast at it.... But you also have to learn whats going to happen if you start sticking your fingers into someone elses buisness... Your probley gonna get them Closed in the car door
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.14 09:04:00 - [216] Originally by: Lord Fitz The news item said STYX lost two motherships, and tried it again with BoB support and succeeded. (more recent news item you may not remember since it was immediately swamped by FW news items). Im out the loop then. Maybe 100 ospreys can succede. SKUNK
skogg	Posted - 2008.06.14 09:12:00 - [217] Originally by: Gamesguy [ You vastly overestimate the faction militia's abilities. The first time that rabble of caracals and drakes run into a real fleet it will be hilarious to watch. It will, but I have a feeling we will still be ahead on ISK.
Falcon Troy State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.14 09:14:00 - [218] Too funny. All these Alliance bears acting so butthurt because a few Caldari made fools of some RA members. _____________ Hai.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.14 09:15:00 - [219] Originally by: Space Shifter All i'm saying is Stick to your FW warfare and have a Blast at it.... But you also have to learn whats going to happen if you start sticking your fingers into someone elses buisness... Your probley gonna get them Closed in the car door RA attacked us so it is they who are sticking their sticky fingers into someone elses war. They didnt come in to defend their logistics, they were cynoed in by a galente war target and started attacking us. Its only right that we returned the favor and destroyed the capital ships allied with our foe. Same goes for any allience who decide to attack any side in FW, expect retaliations
Io Burdane	Posted - 2008.06.14 09:17:00 - [220] If you professional 0.0 peeps don't like how things are done in Empire, perhaps you should just stay in 0.0. I don't doubt that the elite fleets could make good on all the dire threats being unveiled, but who cares? Whatever happens, you have my sympathy. You'll never, ever recover the "awesome PvP elite" tag in EvE (if you ever had it)and be looked up to by the carebear masses. It's got to hurt that hundreds, if not thousands of noobs are laughing at at one of the most feared alliances in game... what do they say? "it takes years to build a reputation, seconds to destroy it"

Falcon Troy State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.14 09:25:00 - [221] I'm actually anxious over the first 0.0 Alliance to launch a fleet against one of the militias. I will drink in the tears as another Alliance takes advantage of the situation and sweeps their territory. _____________ Hai.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.14 09:26:00 - [222] Originally by: Kaishain Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Kaishain I think CCP should let alliances wardec militias OR disable militias from attacking "normal" players. Maybe CCP will, but then they would make it so that wardeccing alliances will be shot down in high-sec space by faction policy just as FW faction players would, effectively barring said alliances from a large part of high-sec. Why should militia pilots have that luxury in high sec when the appearantly can interfere with others business just like anyone else? When the militias decides to attack assets of outsider corps they should NOT have any protection from NPCs or gamemechanics. They should play on an even field. Do you mean like how Goons were allowed to swoop into Empire and suicide gank and afterwards, pick up their insurance payments? That would be being protected by game mechanics too right?
Space Shifter Virulence. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.14 09:31:00 - [223] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Space Shifter All i'm saying is Stick to your FW warfare and have a Blast at it.... But you also have to learn whats going to happen if you start sticking your fingers into someone elses buisness... Your probley gonna get them Closed in the car door RA attacked us so it is they who are sticking their sticky fingers into someone elses war. They didnt come in to defend their logistics, they were cynoed in by a galente war target and started attacking us. Its only right that we returned the favor and destroyed the capital ships allied with our foe. Same goes for any allience who decide to attack any side in FW, expect retaliations Think you need to start back at my first post and read down m8... Stay on Topic
Bersagliere Legionari Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.06.14 09:46:00 - [224] Go caldari go! kill the ebilZ RA
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:10:00 - [225] Originally by: Space Shifter Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Space Shifter All i'm saying is Stick to your FW warfare and have a Blast at it.... But you also have to learn whats going to happen if you start sticking your fingers into someone elses buisness... Your probley gonna get them Closed in the car door RA attacked us so it is they who are sticking their sticky fingers into someone elses war. They didnt come in to defend their logistics, they were cynoed in by a galente war target and started attacking us. Its only right that we returned the favor and destroyed the capital ships allied with our foe. Same goes for any allience who decide to attack any side in FW, expect retaliations Think you need to start back at my first post and read down m8... Stay on Topic um...I am on topic What I said is basicly the same as you. Get involved in someone elses affairs and expect them to react. It goes both ways, if we attacked bob space then bob would retaliate, RA attacked the CM so we are retaliating. The only difference is that RA have alot of capital ships and experience while we have ungodly amounts of mission runners with the fresh taste of blood and no sence of fear Seriously enter the FW areas at your own risk, these nubs are ruthless
Tappits Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:16:00 - [226] Lol the FW gangs killing stuff and having fun. To the people saying they should not be able to do it give 1 good resign why? TheyÆre doing it in lowsec its not like there ganking people in highsec or anything. If the big alliances want to keep there lowsec towers in space that FW is happening they should defend them just like FW peeps have to defend their crap. I say good on you FW peeps. RA needs nerfing anyway. Alliance tears are just as nice as carebare ones
Tappits Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:25:00 - [227] Originally by: El'Niaga Okay if the militias are going to engage in alliance warfare the alliances need the power to declare war on them... why the FW corps are not Wardecking the alliances so why do the alliances need to wardec?
Space Shifter Virulence. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:26:00 - [228] Someone please bring a 40 man Nano/HAC/HIC Gang with a Nice 60+ Sniper fleet attached.... Dont Forget the fraps...
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:27:00 - [229] Hi five for you Caldari pigdogs! Goal Line Blitz, an American Football browser game.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:31:00 - [230] Originally by: Tappits Edited by: Tappits on 14/06/2008 11:27:30 Edited by: Tappits on 14/06/2008 11:26:34 Originally by: El'Niaga Okay if the militias are going to engage in alliance warfare the alliances need the power to declare war on them... why the FW corps are not Wardecking the alliances so why do the alliances need to wardec? thay are allso not engageing in alliance warfare there takeing the space and killing in the space ccp has gave them for the FW crap its not alliance space its FW space/lowsec people can do what thay want there I think its only a select few from alliences who are complaining. They dont seem to like the idea of having to go against a mass of rabid caracals foaming at the mouth.

hammyhamm GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 12:25:00 - [231] Edited by: hammyhamm on 14/06/2008 12:25:26 If RA do lose one of their POSes and it is somehow retowered by someone else, who do you think will be getting the 10billion isk p/month profit from them? Caldari faction players are having their naivety used against them as a proxy to wage another alliances' war, except the pubbie faction pilots will be the ones out of pocket when the day is done, with no recompense to show for their efforts. EDIT: Nice work though, I imagine trying to FC the militias would be a nightmare :)
OMGimaDONKEY SiK Elite	Posted - 2008.06.14 13:02:00 - [232] spin it as you will but maybe the caldari militia will drop a pos there to pay for ship loss. it funny to see all the fanboiz coming to ra's defense I'm sure they can wipe their own arse no need for you to que for it
Viqtoria Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.06.14 13:11:00 - [233] Originally by: hammyhamm Edited by: hammyhamm on 14/06/2008 12:25:26 If RA do lose one of their POSes and it is somehow retowered by someone else, who do you think will be getting the 10billion isk p/month profit from them? Caldari faction players are having their naivety used against them as a proxy to wage another alliances' war, except the pubbie faction pilots will be the ones out of pocket when the day is done, with no recompense to show for their efforts. EDIT: Nice work though, I imagine trying to FC the militias would be a nightmare :) you know about being used as meatshields amirite. don't bother replying, goons bitterness towards the heaving, newb-padded caldari militia faction is pure bitterness, cos you know how horribly effective cheap ass cheaps in megablobs can be when the node is lagging so much everything is ****** and the missiles, the missiles they keep hitting :D When a pilots insured t1 fit caracal explodes they just get another one, in some cases for free. It actually takes longer to lose the insert t1 ship than earn to isk to buy it in the first place. We're not talking about t2 fit Fleet snipers here. "no recompense to show for their efforts", a long time ago you goons used to measure the rewards by having fun. Everything in the game doesn't actually exist bar the fun you get from it. Keep poasting though, you're the best poaster.
Korrell Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.06.14 13:14:00 - [234] Originally by: hammyhamm Caldari faction players are having their naivety used against them as a proxy to wage another alliances' war, except the pubbie faction pilots will be the ones out of pocket when the day is done, with no recompense to show for their efforts. well from what i read in this thread (especially jim bridgers great post) most really don't care about the politics and don't see this as an effort but fun :) i know nothing of big alliances and the politics involved, and maybe i'm totally wrong, but couldn't the militias be an opportunity to further your goals and distract/disrupt your enemies? i doubt that one would achieve that by forum talk (and laughing at them) though, maybe many discounted or free t1 ships for your favorite militia would get them interested?
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam	Posted - 2008.06.14 13:38:00 - [235] Originally by: El'Niaga Okay if the militias are going to engage in alliance warfare the alliances need the power to declare war on them... Had militia forces gone on a roadtrip out to RA held space then you just might be right but since RA came to the Black Rise I somehow doubt they need or want the sanction of a CONCORD war declaration. If the alliances did have the power to war-dec militias you could pretty much close up FW after a week because the entire thing will have become an alliance playground for bored combat pilots. In contrast I'm sure you'll find the 0.0 alliances are quite safe from the militias. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Sabreana	Posted - 2008.06.14 13:46:00 - [236] This is a real easy problem for ccp to solve. Allow any player based alliance to wardec a faction in this case the caldari state, and the RA Boys and Girls loose the free ride of safety in Caldari Hi-Sec space just as faction wars was designed. Thou since its all low sec anyways its still open warfare regardless of faction so its open season on what ever fies. RA will just have to move assets to deal with it
ragewind Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.14 14:08:00 - [237] lol this is funny RA think the FW gangs are just bears with cruisers in mission fits so hot drop and loses 3 carriers and then basically the FW gang goon swarms them and uses crusers to ** one of there most valuable moons up guess the FW lot are sending out a measage of dont ** with us we have no pos or productions to keep runing, so mess with there fun at your pos's risk
Esmenet	Posted - 2008.06.14 14:17:00 - [238] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Had militia forces gone on a roadtrip out to RA held space then you just might be right but since RA came to the Black Rise I somehow doubt they need or want the sanction of a CONCORD war declaration. Well if you manage to look past RA and whatever they do the militia have the possibility to attack any alliance core isk generating areas while keeping their own isk generating areas 100% safe thanks to game mechanics. The mechanics are fine considering militia vs militia fights but the second the militia starts attacking alliance space that balance is shifted. I doubt it will be any kind of real problem but the potential is there.
Manella Seldon Happy Joymaker Corp	Posted - 2008.06.14 14:21:00 - [239] Edited by: Manella Seldon on 14/06/2008 14:23:43 Excellent work Caldari's! Don't bother listening or responding to the Goons, its all verbal Diarrhea and not worth the effort. Risk is related to reward if RA wants to mine lo sec moons in contested space, well then some pubbies in Caracals, and Ravens just might put that tower into reinforced. Deal with it.
Stevens DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 14:35:00 - [240] Will the tower lose sec standing to shoot at them ;-) Thats the only issue I see is that to defend their tower the RA pilots will have to drop all the way to -10. That may not be an issue for some but being penalized for defending alliance assets from people seems kind of ********.

Lumen Atra GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 14:43:00 - [241] Originally by: Lady Valory First, they got organized and moved 20 of their 180 person blob into ospreys. 2nd they formed a caracal gang of 40 caracals. The remaining ships were just the same rag tag militia. Quote: the Russians didn't have a fleet OR more than one pos gunner. Quote: stunning Morons.
Tomoko Ken	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:03:00 - [242] Edited by: Tomoko Ken on 14/06/2008 15:13:36 First of all... Tama != Black Rise That tower was probably there long before FW. Secondly: Do you honestly think you'll accomplish anything but losing a lot of ships trying to be on the offensive against alliance POSes in any of the FW enabled regions? Haven't you forgotten something? Like the Gallente faction gang that will be waiting to jump you at most of those POS assaults. Along with the owners of the POS of course. Oh yes. Great idea...
Aaron Mirrorsaver R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:28:00 - [243] hey lady, dont stop there, kill all the valuable moons in low sec you can :) make the 0.0 alliances forced to defend them. C.E.O. Go Hard, or go Home.
Splagada Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:33:00 - [244] theres promethium in Tama?? ------ Tides of Silence
Tappits Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:35:00 - [245] Originally by: Esmenet Well if you manage to look past RA and whatever they do the militia have the possibility to attack any alliance core isk generating areas while keeping their own isk generating areas 100% safe thanks to game mechanics. The mechanics are fine considering militia vs militia fights but the second the militia starts attacking alliance space that balance is shifted. I doubt it will be any kind of real problem but the potential is there. i think it will be a fun day when the militia start takeing 0.0 systems of there own. i dont see any bad points to them doing it. there free to do as thay like just like you.
Tappits Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:38:00 - [246] Originally by: Lumen Atra Quote: the Russians didn't have a fleet OR more than one pos gunner. Morons. what all he said is thay did not have a fleet or more than one pos gunner there to defend? how can he be a moron when what he said was the truth? goons do realy need to think before posting
bestsnail	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:45:00 - [247] Man you guys act like caldari militia are in the wrong when it is really RAs fault for putting a tower on a State moon.
th1rdeye PROGENITOR CORPORATION	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:47:00 - [248] Originally by: Tappits Originally by: Lumen Atra Quote: the Russians didn't have a fleet OR more than one pos gunner. Morons. what all he said is thay did not have a fleet or more than one pos gunner there to defend? how can he be a moron when what he said was the truth? goons do realy need to think before posting He was pointing out that a 180 man blob put a tower into reinforced when it was defended by only 1 gunner and no fleet, yet the Caldari militia are celecrating as if they just blew up the death star over Endor. RK guys really should think before they post, and then refrain from doing it.
soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:48:00 - [249] Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 14/06/2008 15:56:29 Originally by: Kaishain So the militia is engaging in normal conflicts but have the luxury of not being able to get wardecced? How can non-FW corps and alliances retaliate when militias decides to screw with their business? oi to this, the alliance can defend itself, no? i agree, it is wrong for the FW people to be attacking RA, its like waving FW in their face saying haha you cant do what we are doing, or something like that. i personally think RA should drop a fleet of capital ships on a Caldari fleet though (just once, to blow them out of the water and send them the message, "we will not be f'ed with"), its wrong for FW people trying to get an alliance involved in something they dont have access to, the RA and Gallente militia need to make a plan on this, next time a Caldari Militia attacks an asset of the RA, they warp in a few ships and hold the Caldari down so they cant escape, then tip it off to a gallente fleet and just wait, then watch the turkey shoot
bestsnail	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:52:00 - [250] Originally by: th1rdeye Originally by: Tappits Originally by: Lumen Atra Quote: the Russians didn't have a fleet OR more than one pos gunner. Morons. what all he said is thay did not have a fleet or more than one pos gunner there to defend? how can he be a moron when what he said was the truth? goons do realy need to think before posting He was pointing out that a 180 man blob put a tower into reinforced when it was defended by only 1 gunner and no fleet, yet the Caldari militia are celecrating as if they just blew up the death star over Endor. RK guys really should think before they post, and then refrain from doing it. well there were ewoks dancing in the state protectorate stations after the tower went into reinforced :)

soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:55:00 - [251] Originally by: Sabreana This is a real easy problem for ccp to solve. Allow any player based alliance to wardec a faction in this case the caldari state, and the RA Boys and Girls loose the free ride of safety in Caldari Hi-Sec space just as faction wars was designed. Thou since its all low sec anyways its still open warfare regardless of faction so its open season on what ever fies. RA will just have to move assets to deal with it the bolded is what i would have to disagree with, while i am all for allowing the RA to defend itself, they should still not allow allainces in on FW, i mean on a funny note, it would blob up low sec even more and we would have a million more threads about pirates complaining about blobbed up low sec, this would blob it up even more, on a serious note, most people that play FW are in (or are) high sec based corps and have probably no access to capital ships like dreads and motherships, and IF they do, they are not going to pull it out and put it in the line of fire, and it has been proven that capital ships CAN be destroyed in FW, as RA had lost what? 3 carriers a few days ago? so it is possible for a capital to be destroyed, this is why alliances should not be allowed in high sec, they have FLEETS of capital ships, a carrier or 2 by themselves is nothing but when you have like 6 dreads, and 8 carriers/motherships, thats when it becomes impossible to defeat, PLUS they have support fleets for them which they would use
Alex Under 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:01:00 - [252] Great job Caldari Protectorate! Hope you get a good turnout when the Tower comes out of re-inforce. I don't think anyone would mind RA not having a few low-sec Dysprosium and Promethium moons. ___________________________________________________
TheG2 Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:03:00 - [253] Alliances, whine elsewhere. CCP should and will not allow you to war dec Militias, and any organized group in NPC corps could have done this at any time. Red Alliance knew exactly what they were doing with those carriers, they were trying to be smart and gonna pop some FW people, they underestimated the FW fleets and lost carriers. Its about time Alliances realized the game isn't all about them, especially when it comes to empire.
hammyhamm GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:12:00 - [254] Originally by: OMGimaDONKEY spin it as you will but maybe the caldari militia will drop a pos there to pay for ship loss. it funny to see all the fanboiz coming to ra's defense I'm sure they can wipe their own arse no need for you to que for it NPC corps can't anchor POSes.
Jmanis Catharg State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:17:00 - [255] Quote: Allow any player based alliance to wardec a faction in this case the caldari state, and the RA Boys and Girls loose the free ride of safety in Caldari Hi-Sec space just as faction wars was designed. Provided that gives free free reign for the Caldari State (aka CCP) to drop Titans in just like Caldari did to Gallente.
RemusVI Legion Federation Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:20:00 - [256] Originally by: Wendat Huron Screw the Federation, stick it to RA and their horde of russian minions. we are not to be taken lightly LEGION FEDERATION "We beleive in Vigilence ,Federalism and Freedom" President Of The Council and Fleet Admiral: Admiral RemusVI
Pr1ncess Alia Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:01:00 - [257] Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 14/06/2008 17:02:35 Originally by: hammyhamm Edited by: hammyhamm on 14/06/2008 12:25:26 If RA do lose one of their POSes and it is somehow retowered by someone else, who do you think will be getting the 10billion isk p/month profit from them? Caldari faction players are having their naivety used against them as a proxy to wage another alliances' war, except the pubbie faction pilots will be the ones out of pocket when the day is done, with no recompense to show for their efforts. EDIT: Nice work though, I imagine trying to FC the militias would be a nightmare :) out of pocket? but they are using cheap t1 ships they are kinda just being goons in space. they dont really care what the end result of their pew pew is, they just want to pew pew you know, they are living the dream. cheap fun pvp you know, the dream goonswarm tries to convince themselves they are living (and not anal 0.0 politics) edit: and who really cares about the 10bil a month? i can see you and RA sure do. we can probly consider cage rattled
Altomat	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:08:00 - [258] Originally by: Alex Under Great job Caldari Protectorate! Hope you get a good turnout when the Tower comes out of re-inforce. I don't think anyone would mind RA not having a few low-sec Dysprosium and Promethium moons. When comes the tower out of reinforced mode?
Nannageddon Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:12:00 - [259] ^^ Read in Yoda's voice.
Everyone Dies	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:17:00 - [260] CCP should really make these FW militias war declarable. They really don't deserve any special treatment. Then Alliances can show those noobs what real pvp is.

Splagada Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:18:00 - [261] what system/moon was it? and when is the strontium timer exactly? ------ Tides of Silence
Sleyn Peade Twilight Fleet	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:36:00 - [262] Originally by: Splagada what system/moon was it? and when is the strontium timer exactly? This!! We wanna know readies covops alt
Tortun Nahme Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:43:00 - [263] people are engaging in pvp in low sec, who cares about war deccing ITS A GOOD THING Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Asuka Smith The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:47:00 - [264] Originally by: Tortun Nahme people are engaging in pvp in low sec, who cares about war deccing ITS A GOOD THING No, this is the worst possible implementation of the idea I posted a while ago about how to stop NPC corp abuse. This is ORGANIZED NPC corp abuse. People are right to say that it could have been done with SWA but the difficulty in organizing a bunch of SWA noobs was deterrent enough against the abuse. Now you have thousands of players who are war-dec immune and ORGANIZED looking to blow up something, anything, and if a BoB alt or a Goon alt or an anybody alt wants to lead a gang for pos destruction they are IMMUNE from repercussions.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:51:00 - [265] Lol, thats pretty funny. I am interested to see how the whole thing develops. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Tortun Nahme Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:51:00 - [266] and they are fighting in low sec, with no more immunity than any other low sec pilot, if you don't like the risk of a low sec pos, then you really shouldn't have one there hmm? they cant war dec RA so RA is still 100% safe in high sec, so why should RA be able to war dec them? Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:58:00 - [267] Did RA tell their pets to start whine and complain to defend them? They whine more than carebears ever did..LOL Adapt or die, learn to play and all the rest of the quotes that now backfires. And its fun to see. "Waah waah if we wanted we could WTFPWN you all"! But you are busy elsewhere or just smacktalking? Local seems to have moved to the forums again... Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:03:00 - [268] ITT: Attention Deficit Disorder Read this slowly. Read it carefully. Move your lips if you need to do so. Here it is in six different languages (it would be in Chinese too, but I don't have the fonts installed): RA fired first. RA launched an unprovoked attack, got owned, then suffered retaliation for their unprovoked attack. The ships that attacked were destroyed. The ships that did not attack were permitted to leave. РА "выпустили первую очередь. Армения начала неспровоцированное нападение, получил в собственности, а затем понесли возмездие за их неспровоцированное нападение. Судов, которые напали были уничтожены. Корабли, что нападение не было разрешено выехать. RA gefeuert. RA wurde eine unprovozierte Angriffe, bekam Besitz, dann erlitt Vergeltung fnr ihre unprovozierte Angriffe. Die Schiffe, angegriffen wurden zerst÷rt. Die Schiffe, die nicht angreifen durften zu verlassen. RA tirT en premier. RA a lancT une attaque non provoquTe, a TtT dTtenu, puis subi des reprTsailles pour leur attaque non provoquTe. Les navires qui ont attaquT ont TtT dTtruits. Les navires qui n'ont pas d'attaque ont TtT autorisTs a partir. RA dispar= primero. RA lanz= un ataque no provocado, obtuvo en propiedad, luego sufri= represalias por su ataque no provocado. Los buques que atacaron fueron destruidos. Los buques que no se les permiti= atacar a salir de casa. RA avfyres f°rst. RA lansert en unprovoked angrep, fikk eid, og led gjengjeldelse for sine unprovoked angrep. De skipene som angrepet ble °delagt. De skip som ikke angrepet var lov til s forlate. -- Let Us Avoid Systems Via Autopilot
Everyone Dies	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:10:00 - [269] Edited by: Everyone Dies on 14/06/2008 19:11:06 Edited by: Everyone Dies on 14/06/2008 19:10:35 Originally by: Asuka Smith Edited by: Asuka Smith on 14/06/2008 17:47:18 Originally by: Tortun Nahme people are engaging in pvp in low sec, who cares about war deccing ITS A GOOD THING No, this is the worst possible implementation of the idea I posted a while ago about how to stop NPC corp abuse. This is ORGANIZED NPC corp abuse. People are right to say that it could have been done with SWA but the difficulty in organizing a bunch of SWA noobs was deterrent enough against the abuse. Now you have thousands of players who are war-dec immune and ORGANIZED looking to blow up something, anything, and if a BoB alt or a Goon alt or an anybody alt wants to lead a gang for pos destruction they are IMMUNE from repercussions. CCP can no longer sit on their hands about what to do regarding the NPC corps or else RA is going to dissolve and join Gallente Milita and be wardec immune but keep their vent etc and that is going to be ****** UP. QFT
Megamina	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:16:00 - [270] please no google translation rooker, your french is horrible

darkin here Is Usually Right	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:18:00 - [271] Originally by: Megamina please no google translation rooker, your french is horrible what, you mean he doesn't just speak all of those languages? But his post made him seem so important!
hangnoose Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.14 20:07:00 - [272] Tower should have been out of RF by now I imagine, what happened to it?
Falcon Troy State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:37:00 - [273] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 14/06/2008 15:56:29 Originally by: Kaishain So the militia is engaging in normal conflicts but have the luxury of not being able to get wardecced? How can non-FW corps and alliances retaliate when militias decides to screw with their business? oi to this, the alliance can defend itself, no? i agree, it is wrong for the FW people to be attacking RA, its like waving FW in their face saying haha you cant do what we are doing, or something like that. i personally think RA should drop a fleet of capital ships on a Caldari fleet though (just once, to blow them out of the water and send them the message, "we will not be f'ed with"), its wrong for FW people trying to get an alliance involved in something they dont have access to, the RA and Gallente militia need to make a plan on this, next time a Caldari Militia attacks an asset of the RA, they warp in a few ships and hold the Caldari down so they cant escape, then tip it off to a gallente fleet and just wait, then watch the turkey shoot I'm sorry, does not everyone find this logic hilariously flawed? RA doesn't own lowsec, it's fair game to all, FW or not. Caldari Militia's aren't going to lose sec status killing ANYTHING in their own contested space.(Including RA, which in RP sense is just another rival faction.) It's a warzone, get used to it or leave the system. _____________ Hai.
Yarr2K 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:43:00 - [274] Originally by: hammyhamm Originally by: OMGimaDONKEY spin it as you will but maybe the caldari militia will drop a pos there to pay for ship loss. it funny to see all the fanboiz coming to ra's defense I'm sure they can wipe their own arse no need for you to que for it NPC corps can't anchor POSes. Correct. But an established corp who joined the militia can.
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:51:00 - [275] Originally by: Asuka Smith ...or else RA is going to dissolve and join Gallente Milita and be wardec immune but keep their vent etc and that is going to be ****** UP. Hi gang, I'm just dropping by to heap some well- deserved derision on this idea. Be sure and call us just the very instant that happens, won't you? And as long as we're on the subject, let's suppose for a second you actually could wardec the NPC militia corp. What kind of "repercussions" do you imagine you're talking about here? What specifically can you do to those guys with a wardec that you can't do without one and how would that serve as a deterrent? This should be rich. ___________________________________________
Druur Monakh	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:08:00 - [276] Originally by: TheG2 Alliances, whine elsewhere. CCP should and will not allow you to war dec Militias, and any organized group in NPC corps could have done this at any time. Red Alliance knew exactly what they were doing with those carriers, they were trying to be smart and gonna pop some FW people, they underestimated the FW fleets and lost carriers. Its about time Alliances realized the game isn't all about them, especially when it comes to empire. QFT. Being shot at while not having an effective way to fight back? Well, that is the situation normal players find themselves in when facing the established Alliances. It's nice to see that for once the tables can be turned.
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:18:00 - [277] Originally by: Druur Monakh Originally by: TheG2 Alliances, whine elsewhere. CCP should and will not allow you to war dec Militias, and any organized group in NPC corps could have done this at any time. Red Alliance knew exactly what they were doing with those carriers, they were trying to be smart and gonna pop some FW people, they underestimated the FW fleets and lost carriers. Its about time Alliances realized the game isn't all about them, especially when it comes to empire. QFT. Being shot at while not having an effective way to fight back? Well, that is the situation normal players find themselves in when facing the established Alliances. It's nice to see that for once the tables can be turned. Yep, QFT! Honestly It's low sec ... it's free for all lagblobfest down there ... how are they Immune??? They don't own posses at all. The Militia Corps can't go to 0.0 and PWN them , they just roam in Low/Hi sec, they can't attack any alliance in Hi Sec either ... What would be the point in Wardeccing them? Or am I missing something here? Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:35:00 - [278] Originally by: Brujo Loco Or am I missing something here? You're not taking into account the whiny 0.0 alliance mentality. Or at least that's the way the mindset comes across in this thread. Never liked nullsec alliances much. This thread makes me like them even less. Bunch of whiny little biitches imo. Taxman V: Back in Black
Dapper Danny Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:41:00 - [279] Originally by: Sheila Love Surely CCP should of seen that something of this nature was gonna happen what with said moons in the new region. On a side note now, this will most likely spice up the action in FW some what if RA decide to flex there muscles, giving the gallente a boost in the process, tho you never know if there's Cap's to pop, we may even see a Caldari/Gallente ceasefire and a co-ordinated effort made to remove the russians from FW space. Just imagine the Gallente droneswarm teamed with the Caldari missile and EM spam.. I hope this happens to be honest, hell ill even fly on over their to give that sort of truce force a hand. I just hate how the 0.0 mega corps try to monopolize everything in this game, sure its EvE and thats how its done, but damn it... time those of us that are looked down on as insignificant empire players fight back, which it seems we are doing. As for wardecing the militia, id say most militias are secretly or at least well tolerated (regardless of what the empire leaders say openly) by the Empire factions as such, if you could wardec the militias, you should automatically be wardeced to the entire corresponding NPC empire faction... lets see the mega corps take on an entire empire, and CCP sure as hell wouldn't let game mechanics in that would allow the 0.0 alliances to overrun empire. As such I say to the 0.0 Alliance go back and play in your own sandbox, we've got our own now and its our time to shine little. *- The Boot.ini Incident glances off your EvE Install causing no real damage! -*
Gypsio III Bambooule	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:45:00 - [280] Quote: Now you have thousands of players who are war-dec immune and ORGANIZED looking to blow up something, anything, and if a BoB alt or a Goon alt or an anybody alt wants to lead a gang for pos destruction they are IMMUNE from repercussions. CCP can no longer sit on their hands about what to do regarding the NPC corps or else RA is going to dissolve and join Gallente Milita and be wardec immune but keep their vent etc and that is going to be ****** UP. Immune from repercussions? It's lowsec, you fool, just shoot them!

Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:56:00 - [281] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Originally by: Brujo Loco Or am I missing something here? You're not taking into account the whiny 0.0 alliance mentality. Or at least that's the way the mindset comes across in this thread. Never liked nullsec alliances much. This thread makes me like them even less. Bunch of whiny little biitches imo. I think I'm beggining to see the wisdom of CCP In not allowing Alliances overall in FW ... I was mostly annoyed at not letting RP Alliances in, but seeing that eventually people in non rp alliances would exploit it and try to wardec the militias "cuz they could" makes me see the greater picture, specially with the way this thread has pictured them. They have to accept the fact that FW is not the new Alliances playground and I honestly hope the Militias keep harassing their posses, disrupting their operations and whatnot. It's LOW SEC after all. Bleh I just hope ALL of Low sec was like this, with people pew pewing each other all day long, wether in blobs or organized fleets with defined purposes. Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Micia Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:05:00 - [282] Originally by: baltec1 Seriously enter the FW areas at your own risk, these nubs are ruthless So very true. _______ Break your chains! Kinda'Shujaa is just the first step.
David Goodwill The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:07:00 - [283] i am utterly shocked at the crying going on in this thread. The 0.0 alliances have 0.0 the FW militias have FW deal with it, seriously. it's like dealing with ******* 5 year olds.
DaveW	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:31:00 - [284] Oh My!! So things are different now...??? Tough Shoes...!!! --------------------------------------------------- "If you can't stand the heat..., stay out of the Kitchen."
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:34:00 - [285] Originally by: David Goodwill i am utterly shocked at the crying going on in this thread. You wouldn't be if you had bothered to glance up at the address bar while reading it. ___________________________________________
Captain Esharra Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:44:00 - [286] This topic has cleared up the situation for me. I started this game to eventually join a 0.0 alliance and take part in the epic struggle...the great war. BS Having to read zero=zero alliance complaints in a good FW thread is boring. Your thunder is stolen for good and if CCP was smart, they would continue with steps to curb you all even further. I have realized it is silly to go through the hassle of moving to zero=zero and fighting for no reason other than "ta halfe goot fytes". zero=zero alliances seem to have no character, no sand. Nothing but "He who has the most isk and ships wins". You have nothing noteworthy, no idealogy, no Pattons, no Zhukovs(sp), no Alexanders, Rommels or Tokugawa's. Just never ending talk on places like coad/caod/toad (whatever) which always amounts to "wee gunna gitchu sukka" followed with "err, GF wee dit knot knead dose carryers n munes eneeway asse wee tooe riche wid isk n smyarts". Your game is just constant bickering and shoving each other around empty areas of inconvenient space that the majority of eve could not give two squirts to even find out where that "numbered" system is actually at. Well now empire has a calling and it does not include any of you (complainers). Please stay in zero=zero and use your super freighter ships to go shopping at jita. I have to sell stuff to someone and I am happy making a buck off your misery. I hereby will now identify all faceless zero=zero complainer alliances as "BOOBS"... Band Of Ostracized...Boobs! I will say this about zero=zero alliances, you try your damndest to make Eve another crap fps like counter strike, so good effort. Simply put, you have been relegated and it was due. Now CCP have introduced some fluff into the game to enliven the the flavor of pvp and people are running with it. It does not concern you zero=zero complainers, so you can just stay out in never-never land and keep doing...whatever it is you do. You will not be missed. I am joining the protectorate!
My Julutschka	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:54:00 - [287] Originally by: Captain Esharra I am joining the protectorate! Then I have to shoot you, cauz we the Gallente have the far better shipz and teh money to wtfpwn your milita....and weee did not need that shipz either that we lost to ya Here comes the 0.0 alliance feeling :P
Jmanis Catharg State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:56:00 - [288] Quote: war-dec immune and ORGANIZED Rubbish. They fight in LOW SEC. RA got 3 carriers popped because they dropped them in LOW SEC. RA's tower was in LOW SEC. LOW SEC has risks. Any of the other NPC corps could've done that, problem is not everyone in good old "Deep Core Mining Inc." don't actually want to fight, and the ones who do want to fight form small corps which want to, but never will, see large-scale combat without subjecting themselves to stupid politics and whiny 0.0 alliance leaders yelling "Be on at this time to defend xyz which pours isk into my wallet but not yours, or I'll boot you out". Militia corps give players a common ground to organise themselves. Red Vs Blue started towards this, CCP just made it more official.
My Julutschka Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.15 00:00:00 - [289] THIS...but i fear it wont be accepted by the 1337 0.0 uber PvP crewz out there
Shagrath Neptune 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.15 00:26:00 - [290] Originally by: Captain Esharra This topic has cleared up the situation for me. I started this game to eventually join a 0.0 alliance and take part in the epic struggle...the great war. BS Having to read zero=zero alliance complaints in a good FW thread is boring. Your thunder is stolen for good and if CCP was smart, they would continue with steps to curb you all even further. I have realized it is silly to go through the hassle of moving to zero=zero and fighting for no reason other than "ta halfe goot fytes". zero=zero alliances seem to have no character, no sand. Nothing but "He who has the most isk and ships wins". You have nothing noteworthy, no idealogy, no Pattons, no Zhukovs(sp), no Alexanders, Rommels or Tokugawa's. Just never ending talk on places like coad/caod/toad (whatever) which always amounts to "wee gunna gitchu sukka" followed with "err, GF wee dit knot knead dose carryers n munes eneeway asse wee tooe riche wid isk n smyarts". Your game is just constant bickering and shoving each other around empty areas of inconvenient space that the majority of eve could not give two squirts to even find out where that "numbered" system is actually at. Well now empire has a calling and it does not include any of you (complainers). Please stay in zero=zero and use your super freighter ships to go shopping at jita. I have to sell stuff to someone and I am happy making a buck off your misery. I hereby will now identify all faceless zero=zero complainer alliances as "BOOBS"... Band Of Ostracized...Boobs! I will say this about zero=zero alliances, you try your damndest to make Eve another crap fps like counter strike, so good effort. Simply put, you have been relegated and it was due. Now CCP have introduced some fluff into the game to enliven the the flavor of pvp and people are running with it. It does not concern you zero=zero complainers, so you can just stay out in never-never land and keep doing...whatever it is you do. You will not be missed. I am joining the protectorate! To be fair, the people whining on the forums are the minority. There are some really good players in 0.0 who never post here or in Coad. There are also 0.0 players in FW because they are using alts to participate so you are flying with these guys right now. I agree though that the whiners in this thread are embarrassing themselves and their alliances and should just shut up. It is only adding to the comedy of the situation.

An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.15 00:38:00 - [291] ^What he said above. No one who really matters has been whining anyway. Why would RA even care about attacking them in high-sec where they never have any serious prescence? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Asuka Smith The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.15 02:00:00 - [292] Edited by: Asuka Smith on 15/06/2008 02:02:42 Edited by: Asuka Smith on 15/06/2008 02:02:08 A lot of you are arguing a semantic point rather than looking at the big picture... Yes, in this SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCE everything is working just fine (the case of the RA carriers), but it shines the light on some bad possibilities, like when the FC's start taking militia's into 0.0 to use them for POS warfare... The problem is not the RA carriers specifically but the hideous can of worms that FW opened. EDIT: Or when a bunch of BoB alts form a gatecamp on say for example RA logistics routes and they cannot be wardecced so only pilots who are willing to lose all their sec status can try and pop the gatecamp. (See I am thinking up abuses right off the top of my head, that is not a good sign at all)
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2008.06.15 02:06:00 - [293] Originally by: Asuka Smith Or when a bunch of BoB alts form a gatecamp on say for example RA logistics routes and they cannot be wardecced so only pilots who are willing to lose all their sec status can try and pop the gatecamp. There was nothing stopping this kind of thing from happening before FW came out.
Stevens DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.15 03:34:00 - [294] Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Asuka Smith Or when a bunch of BoB alts form a gatecamp on say for example RA logistics routes and they cannot be wardecced so only pilots who are willing to lose all their sec status can try and pop the gatecamp. There was nothing stopping this kind of thing from happening before FW came out. Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed.
Threv Echandari K Directorate	Posted - 2008.06.15 03:42:00 - [295] Originally by: Stevens Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed. Your Tears....Delicious. Happiness is a Wet Pod
Galen Darksmith Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.06.15 03:51:00 - [296] Originally by: Stevens Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Asuka Smith Or when a bunch of BoB alts form a gatecamp on say for example RA logistics routes and they cannot be wardecced so only pilots who are willing to lose all their sec status can try and pop the gatecamp. There was nothing stopping this kind of thing from happening before FW came out. Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed. You'll note that the RA attacked first. RA should post a public apology to the Caldari State for opening fire on one of it's corporations. Then maybe there can be more peaceful relations.
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.06.15 03:57:00 - [297] Edited by: Quelque Chose on 15/06/2008 03:58:03 Originally by: Asuka Smith like when the FC's start taking militia's into 0.0 to use them for POS warfare... Being able to wardec the militias will prevent this how exactly? Quote: EDIT: Or when a bunch of BoB alts form a gatecamp on say for example RA logistics routes and they cannot be wardecced so only pilots who are willing to lose all their sec status can try and pop the gatecamp. (See I am thinking up abuses right off the top of my head, that is not a good sign at all) Fun fact #1: The best way to patch up a bad sec status also happens to be the number one source of income for the average nullsec pvp pilot. Bonus points if you can tell me what that is. Assuming said pilots actually give half a **** about their sec status in the first place, that is. Fun fact #2: You're not very good at this. ___________________________________________
Stevens DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.15 07:16:00 - [298] Edited by: Stevens on 15/06/2008 07:17:23 Originally by: Galen Darksmith You'll note that the RA attacked first. RA should post a public apology to the Caldari State for opening fire on one of it's corporations. Then maybe there can be more peaceful relations. Or maybe we should make player factions and let them declare war on the caldari. Or let alliances join the faction warfare (In this case Red Alliance join Gallente) CCP already stated its no longer a technical hurdle they just want to keep 0.0 politics out of it which we all know wont happen. Originally by: Threv Echandari Originally by: Stevens Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed. Your Tears....Delicious. I find it funny that since I joined DS1 all of sudden the facts I state change to lies. Its hilarious as to how distorted of a world you live in where you just go "Goon = Idiot" and don't even read facts. Don't forget two of the CSMs are goons and they are probably competent enough to make the game better for idiots like you.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2008.06.15 07:21:00 - [299] Originally by: Stevens Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed. And Goonswarm can't do the same thing, because à?
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.06.15 07:24:00 - [300] Originally by: Stevens I find it funny that since I joined DS1 all of sudden the facts I state change to lies. Its hilarious as to how distorted of a world you live in where you just go "Goon = Idiot" and don't even read facts. Don't forget two of the CSMs are goons and they are probably competent enough to make the game better for idiots like you. Yeah, probably so. Too bad they'll be leaving the game soon though... after all, once THE BOBS 'sploit all your sec statuses to -10 you'll be hosed. HOSED I SAY! AND THERE WON'T BE A THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT! BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Seriously man, get a grip. ___________________________________________

Stevens DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.15 07:25:00 - [301] Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Stevens Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed. And Goonswarm can't do the same thing, because à? I didn't say they couldn't, but two wrongs don't make a right.
Fayn Trak Myridian Trading Systems	Posted - 2008.06.15 07:41:00 - [302] Then wouldn't the militia pilots also face sec loss and possibly not have access to good ratting grounds to repair it. If they lose access to highsec then things would become awfully interesting. A herd of cattle A flock of geese A lot of isk
Stevens DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.15 07:46:00 - [303] Originally by: Fayn Trak Then wouldn't the militia pilots also face sec loss and possibly not have access to good ratting grounds to repair it. If they lose access to highsec then things would become awfully interesting. They do loose access to some High Sec
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.15 07:51:00 - [304] Originally by: Stevens Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Asuka Smith Or when a bunch of BoB alts form a gatecamp on say for example RA logistics routes and they cannot be wardecced so only pilots who are willing to lose all their sec status can try and pop the gatecamp. There was nothing stopping this kind of thing from happening before FW came out. Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed. yeah same thing with an NPC corp, your point? you didn't argue what you quoted.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.15 09:42:00 - [305] Originally by: Stevens Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Asuka Smith Or when a bunch of BoB alts form a gatecamp on say for example RA logistics routes and they cannot be wardecced so only pilots who are willing to lose all their sec status can try and pop the gatecamp. There was nothing stopping this kind of thing from happening before FW came out. Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed. Um, the militia also takes a sec hit for attacking anyone not flashing red, which for people who dont have a 0.0 base to run to is a terribly crippling thing.
Furb Killer USC Militia	Posted - 2008.06.15 10:00:00 - [306] There seems to be a misconception here. I have never been in 0.0 alliance, but i assume in a fleet you got to do what FC tells you to do or you get kicked from corp. Now welcome to faction war, everyone is equal. FCs are only FCs as long as the normal player permit them to be FCs. They can tell us to go into 0.0 and attack a POS, i can assure you that i then say: "let me think, euhm... ...no". Same for attacking neutrals without any reason.
Gamesguy Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.15 10:46:00 - [307] So how did it go? Its been two days hasn't it?
Blutreiter Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.06.15 11:16:00 - [308] Originally by: Gypsio III Quote: Now you have thousands of players who are war-dec immune and ORGANIZED looking to blow up something, anything, and if a BoB alt or a Goon alt or an anybody alt wants to lead a gang for pos destruction they are IMMUNE from repercussions. CCP can no longer sit on their hands about what to do regarding the NPC corps or else RA is going to dissolve and join Gallente Milita and be wardec immune but keep their vent etc and that is going to be ****** UP. Immune from repercussions? It's lowsec, you fool, just shoot them! Sorry, just woke up, didn't read page 10 and 11 yet... ahem METAGAMING? In my EvE? Also: the above quote wins the thread basically. Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Laila Eldgorn Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.06.15 12:11:00 - [309] Obviously all 0.0 alliances (or their alt alliances) want to get all good moons in FW regions like in rest of low sec. However it's empire space not 0.0 so they could just stay away if they don't want to have arguments with faction militias, right? I may be bitter (hey it's my normal mood), but it's pretty boring that majority of valuable resources in EvE are controlled by few big power blocks.
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam	Posted - 2008.06.15 13:39:00 - [310] Originally by: Esmenet Well if you manage to look past RA and whatever they do the militia have the possibility to attack any alliance core isk generating areas while keeping their own isk generating areas 100% safe thanks to game mechanics. Alliances still have access to 20m/hr missions in hi-sec if they want it. If an alliance irks a militia to the point that they turn upon them with their mighty hi-sec funded fleets and said alliance takes substantial losses then they have no one to blame but themselves. The militias cannot hold 0.0 space. Worst case, they come in, kill some stuff, and they leave. With no tangible benefit to them for assaulting 0.0 alliances it will only happen when an alliance begins harassing the militia. If you want the "reward" of killing militia members as an alliance you take the "risk" of retaliation. Both of you have the recourse of returning to hi-sec should the heat get too much. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint

El'Tar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.06.15 18:26:00 - [311] Originally by: TheG2 Alliances, whine elsewhere. CCP should and will not allow you to war dec Militias, and any organized group in NPC corps could have done this at any time. Red Alliance knew exactly what they were doing with those carriers, they were trying to be smart and gonna pop some FW people, they underestimated the FW fleets and lost carriers. Its about time Alliances realized the game isn't all about them, especially when it comes to empire. I heard you have an awesome megathron fit, please share ________________________________________________ MY BIG BROTHER BEING JESUS ******* CHRIST IN HIS BATTLEWAGON OF DOOM
Arlenna Molatov The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2008.06.16 07:14:00 - [312] Yea, what happened today with this? Inquiring minds...and all that
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.16 07:25:00 - [313] Originally by: Stevens Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Stevens Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed. And Goonswarm can't do the same thing, because à? I didn't say they couldn't, but two wrongs don't make a right. Thats a sudden change of ethics aint it? What happend to the jihadswarm. Talk about double standards, and yes. Whine more please. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Sleyn Peade Twilight Fleet	Posted - 2008.06.16 07:53:00 - [314] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Yea, what happened today with this? Inquiring minds...and all that Yeah I don't understand, at least the winning side should, pr usual eve-o standards, be on here rubbing a truckload of salt in whatever happened.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.06.16 08:10:00 - [315] Originally by: Ulstan Quote: Does this mean the Caldari Militia forces FC's are using there blobs for 0.0 politik ? No, it means RA is using their carriers for low sec piracy. I don't think we've seen the last of FW misdirection; this is already the second somewhat unexpected turn of events... SHC thread Logs Zzz research towers Direrie NEW: Liekuri 20:1 low-end compression
Delichon State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.16 10:17:00 - [316] Originally by: hangnoose Tower should have been out of RF by now I imagine, what happened to it? Quoting for emphasis. What happened to the tower? ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums.
Siddy Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.16 10:49:00 - [317] Originally by: Stevens Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Asuka Smith Or when a bunch of BoB alts form a gatecamp on say for example RA logistics routes and they cannot be wardecced so only pilots who are willing to lose all their sec status can try and pop the gatecamp. There was nothing stopping this kind of thing from happening before FW came out. Except one productive bob FC alt can get a militia gang to go camp the RA pipe and RA has to take the sec hit or be screwed. Its me, Im the Bob FC alt who is raining on your parede. The new BoB CCP FW client has this new feature that lets you command the FW pubbie fleets, among other new cool features. Like, comanding sandstorms in iraq and raining fire and frogs in egypt. Realy like it!
Splagada Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 12:55:00 - [318] Originally by: Delichon Originally by: hangnoose Tower should have been out of RF by now I imagine, what happened to it? Quoting for emphasis. What happened to the tower? ? ------ Tides of Silence
Jaggal	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:53:00 - [319] Eheh, after pirates whining about FW here come(s) 0.0 alliance(s) whining as well? This is too good to be true Will FW aka "Carebears strike back" survive the whine of the EVE establishment?
Arlenna Molatov The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:54:00 - [320] Yea, kind of wondering what happened with the tower...?

Redback911 Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:59:00 - [321] Where are the pirates whining about FW? I'm loving the targets and knowing there's big fleets out there ready to hand you your ass if you are lazy or arrogant.
Dracorimus Out Siders	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:00:00 - [322] Originally by: mynnna Originally by: Dracorimus Any alliances trying to be more greedy will be met with resistance from FW combatants in our space :D You, and basically everyone else in this thread, are hilariously naive. Everything from thinking that RA recently put up the tower to thinking that they'd lose space if they try to fight over towers in lowsec. Your a goon, need I say more ;) Check my history and you will see how stupid you are - Die faster damnit!
Valan The Fated Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:06:00 - [323] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Yea, kind of wondering what happened with the tower...? After all that hot air I'm guessing absolutely nothing. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Danae Melios Federation Zone Operations Command	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:17:00 - [324] This is crazy. RA has no way of retaliating normally? You can do better than that. RA can retaliate "normally." Bring in 500 Goon pilots to gatecamp Tama while you cyno in a capfleet. Have a dozen Dreads aggro a neutral alt while in siege mode to draw aggro, with a dozen carriers and a support fleet in tow. Then proceed to kill everything that moves. RA and friends can "retaliate" and keep the system. There is absolutely nothing holding them back from that. And I would say that it is natural that the Militias kill Alliance-held POS's, since the Alliances are competitors with the empires. They are sovereign states, and the empires are at war as much as CONCORD will allow. In RP terms absolutely nothing wrong with the militias picking off POS's, it is just that most of the alliances probably have alts in place to redirect such efforts.
Boromor	Posted - 2008.06.17 05:50:00 - [325] Hey this is Boromor here, Just figured I would post my 2 cents. TO everyone here that says we "the Caldari Milita need to learn our place" Needs to think about who you are talking to here. Yes there are lots of new players in the caldari milita, but they are my new players. They will rally behind me with whatever i need them to. To you RA suckers that i can proudly say I FC'd For the popping of, Would you care to send in some more Carriers to our tama gate and attack us again? I would be more than happy to let you "Show Us Our Place". In the particular op, would you like to know my rules of engagement for all the "New players" of mine? They will not shoot unless the target is flashing in red, or is at war with us. All the carriers that we popped aggressed my fleet first. We were just out on a evening stroll of 200 people that were going to fly around and shoot some random asteroids. We weren't planning on blowing up your carriers . Guess it was just your bad for attacking some of my boy's . We have nothing against RA, "actually we love you guys for the carrier kills". This was your own fault for sideing with the Gallente Milita. For a future heads up, if you do side with the Gallente Milita we will contiue to pop your ships, This goes for ANYONE. If you dont want to be blown up... Then dont have anything to do with the gallente Milita. Its as simple as that. To clear my name a litle bit, I did not FC for the popping of the people at the POS, I only headed the Fleet that popped the 3 hostile carriers. By the way if anyone wants to support the Caldari Milita contact Boromor, i would be happy to hear any offers or idea's. To anyone who thinks we did somthing wrong by blowing up the carriers, just contact me in game and i would be More than happy to talk to you about it. As long as my milita mates that are mocking you behind my back can stay quiet long enough for me to hear your argument that is. Safe Flying Everyone, Boromor p.s - that goes double for you RA guys, I think you all need it.
Boromor	Posted - 2008.06.17 05:55:00 - [326] Originally by: Danae Melios This is crazy. RA has no way of retaliating normally? You can do better than that. RA can retaliate "normally." Bring in 500 Goon pilots to gatecamp Tama while you cyno in a capfleet. Have a dozen Dreads aggro a neutral alt while in siege mode to draw aggro, with a dozen carriers and a support fleet in tow. Then proceed to kill everything that moves. RA and friends can "retaliate" and keep the system. There is absolutely nothing holding them back from that. And I would say that it is natural that the Militias kill Alliance-held POS's, since the Alliances are competitors with the empires. They are sovereign states, and the empires are at war as much as CONCORD will allow. In RP terms absolutely nothing wrong with the militias picking off POS's, it is just that most of the alliances probably have alts in place to redirect such efforts. You might be right in the fact that RA and friends can retaliate against the milita, but only to a degree. If RA and friends would like to warp in a fleet of caps and 500 guys into Tama, then feel free ^_^. We do not own that system it really means nothing to us as a whole. I will simply start baseing our fleets out of somewhere else. We can always go in pop a couple POS's and fly back into high sec with no harm done, we cannot have our POS's popped however, seeing as how we do not own any. Hopefully you guys will take all this into account before putting yourself through the trouble of organizeing somthing as complicated as getting a 500 man gang with cap support to tama We "the Caldari Milita, are not looking for a fight. Unless your with the gallentes that is."
Disco Bum Scream Discoteque	Posted - 2008.06.17 07:15:00 - [327] So what happened to the tower?
maarud Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.06.17 08:09:00 - [328] Originally by: Disco Bum So what happened to the tower? Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
edtheshed Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.06.17 08:56:00 - [329] the op has since posted a new topic saying that they never put the tower into reinforced, it was a bet or sumthin...
Asuka Smith The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.17 09:10:00 - [330] People are still hung up on the specific case of the RA tower, rather than the implications... I think this thread is a legit story but even if it is not the points raised remain valid.



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