GǪexcept that three times higher is not GǣastronomicalGǥ and that the inflation existed before incursions. So guess what happens when incursions are piled on top of it all?

There is a flaw in your argument. People who were inflating from bounties have stopped doing that and are doing incursions now. What they really need to show is how many people are causing said inflation.

Edit: If 50% of the population is only causing smallish % of inflation, then that's totally fine and incursions are fine as is.

So the rise in price of PLEX from 300M ISK to 480M ISK is merely a spike in mineral prices due to null sec wars?

people will just blitz HQs instead of vanguards

any kind of payout boost is terribly unnecessary!

So the rise in price of PLEX from 300M ISK to 480M ISK is merely a spike in mineral prices due to null sec wars?

More people coming back to Eve due to Crucible, wanting to pay their game time with PLEX, but still the smae number of new players buying plex for money.
A.K.A increasing demand, same offer = Prices rise.

vOv

I am not an economist.

Since Ive been flying Broadswords, which is only a few months, they have increased 140 mil to 250 mil each. Worst is the Nomad, every time I save up enough isk to buy one they've gone up another billion. 3.8 bil a few months ago, something stupid like 7 bil now

I kept a list of goods I normally trade from early Dec 2011. I haven't played since then until just now.

Prices across the board are up around 20%. By this rate, the price of everything will double in a year. Is CCP looking at ways of managing isk flow or should I start converting my ISK into "hard" assets like PLEX or trit?

Since Ive been flying Broadswords, which is only a few months, they have increased 140 mil to 250 mil each. Worst is the Nomad, every time I save up enough isk to buy one they've gone up another billion. 3.8 bil a few months ago, something stupid like 7 bil now

Re: The Nomad

The underlying tech1 Freighter blueprint required to invent a Nomad (can't remember the name) is fixed in price and available at NPC stations throughout EVE.

The only real factors causing the price of a Nomad to go up is demand (which is temporary, as supply will eventually increase to fill that demand); and the cost of the capital components required to manufacture, which is also subject to temporary supply and demand constraints.

Also, maybe supply has been curtailed in some way, again temporarily?

There is not too much isk in the game actually, there are a few players gettign far too much isk witch is not the same thing.

It's not the lone guy or with a friend running missions all day that brings too much isk to the game.

It's not the null sec bear running sites all day long that brings too much isk to the game

it's not the guy participating occasionally to incursions that brings too much isk to the game.

It's those running sites/mission/incursions 24h/d with their bots, mining entire belts al alone with their bots, running belts/sites in null with their very numerous bot alts, running incursions with their numerous alts and bots.

Those are the problem and will always be for whatever activity you put in the game but it's not a hill at it self but a symptom of a much bigger problem: the lack of game mechanics, rules, tools whatsoever to control at a right moment something that can go out of control.

There is nothing in the game that puts a barrier to any sort of activity, it's yourself who puts those barriers but if you have none?
You make forum threads pop like this one and like a few other ones, they don't understand that it's a player driven game when it doesn't brings them advantages.
As intelligent as a thicken can be playing with a knife, the average internet games player thinking he's so special, will shoot him self in the foot because no matter what they say they always act in their own selfish interest.

Add moon goo, the biggest passive income in the game.
Throw some drone crap once again profiting to a very small part of eve players and killing a major part of the game for years now: mining

The list can go on, but whatever you'll pick each and every one of these will always bring exponential rewards for those playing more than 2 accounts, exploiting game mechanics, using bots.
At the end of the day the single player, the guy discovering the game and playing it normally with some fellows found here and there when he reads this kind of threads he might as well think there are different servers of eve online.

In other words: Start producing your own Nomad, you should get rich, don't you?

EVE is not the real world. Money does not get printed in EVE, and certain incomes are static. Like NPC bounties.

Every time you kill an NPC with a bounty (or complete an incursion) ISK is created out of thin air just like Gé¼Gé¼ are created out of thin air whenever you take a loan in a bank IRL. None is static and both have their limits.

The point I am making is that there is a limit to have much time a player can spend collecting bounties, even if you are Botting. Therefore there is a limit to the amount of ISK that can be injected into the economy by Bounties.

ISK does not get printed when you kill an NPC, you are expending time and effort to generate that wealth, so its not really printed in the sense of the word we use in the Real World. Unless you are a Bot, but that is a different matter.

When the Fed or BoE or ECB 'prints' money it literally creates a fresh bank account out of thin air and makes the electronic balance in that account whatever it desires, which it then uses for whatever purposes it wants. It does that with no effort or work involved by the general population of the country. That is printing money. 'Money' with no effort involved, that's what printing money is.

I actually wrote up a blog post with a pretty complete list of the sources and sinks, based on Diagoras' tweets:

http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html

Unlikely. The smart CCP move would be to gradually (over months) reduce the amount of drone poo drops rather the remove it all at once. That would reduce the shocks and give the economy time to shift away from gun-mining and back to barge-mining.

Plus, the boost to mining incomes means that a long-forgotten career path has suddenly become competitive again with running L3s/L4s. Possibly to the point where null-sec alliances will have to start doing mining ops to take advantage of the now higher valued ABC ores.

So what about all of the other T2 hulls? Have they also gone up?

You can't look at a single aspect of the game economy which happens to be experiencing a supply / demand imbalance and yell 'ZOMG inflation!' without looking at all of the other parts of the economy. There are many market sectors in EVE where prices have fallen 20-30% over the last 6-12 months or which have remained fairly stagnant other then minor price swings due to supply/demand.

Furthermore, a simple increase in raw ISK flowing into the world economy is in itself not a problem. It only becomes a problem if the money supply relative to the total population increases. Wikipedia has a good explanation on inflation and the total money supply in the economy.

In general, I wouldn't be too worried about inflation in this game. CCP has several mechanisms for controlling the in-game money supply, and can track precisely where ISK comes from and where it goes. So there's no reason for CCP to allow for uncontrolled inflation.

Pretty much all T2 ships have gone way up in price - to the point that even the really bad ones trade near 100M these days. It wasn't so terribly long ago that command ships were trading at 110-120M ISK. Furthermore, the price of a Tempest has gone from ~85M to ~110M recently. You could argue that the across the board increases in price are indicative of a widespread supply/demand issue, but I think that's a fairly fallacious argument.

Pretty much all T2 ships have gone way up in price - to the point that even the really bad ones trade near 100M these days. It wasn't so terribly long ago that command ships were trading at 110-120M ISK. Furthermore, the price of a Tempest has gone from ~85M to ~110M recently. You could argue that the across the board increases in price are indicative of a widespread supply/demand issue, but I think that's a fairly fallacious argument.

Furthermore, we have a measurable way to demonstrate how much ISK is being injected into the game, and we can say with no small amount of authority that its much higher than the ISK being taken out of the game. Things which are not directly tied to NPC set prices are almost across the board rising in price - and this makes tons of sense.

-Liang

Go look at the entire market graph for the last 365 days on eve-markets.net , what you will see is that with the exception of some temporary spikes is a mostly flat market right up to the 21st of December when prices spiked.

If monetary inflation were a problem you'd have seen a steady increase in prices through the entire year. What we see instead is a near instantaneous jump which is consistent with the supply disruption as a result of the DRF hostilities compounded by the increased demand caused by the war in the north.

Evidence Liang, that's the measure of reality.