the scaling effect of more people doing incursions are quite shocking.

Not really, it balances itself out.

How do you control the EVE economy when anyone can buy a PLEX out of game and turn it into isk?

Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally.

As for the inflation, you wanted a mining buff here it is! Trit selling at 5 ISK a pop! Nice!

Someone already posted the numbers, the majority of isk in EVE comes off bounties and if anything, we should be reviewing the current bounties on battleship NPCs.

Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally.

Also, a large portion of the bounties already follow that rule GÇö the more people rat/explore/run anomalies, the fewer are available. So by that token, bounties aren't a problem eitherGǪ

There's nothing wrong with Incursions. The option is there for anyone and everyone to go to an Incursion system and take part. Those who are moaning and bitching about it have some form of bad feeling towards it for no good reason.

Do we moan about all the Tech moons constantly like you guys do? nope...

Incursions is maybe the fastest way to make isk yes indeed but it is deserved because the majority of subs come from empire people. That is a fact.

If you continue to take away every isk making solution to high sec subs will fall drastically.

It may be in CCPs interest to change them around slightly as they do with everything [just look at PI] I cannot see it changing too much.

Regardless, missions do not follow the same laws given that there is an infinite supply of them.

This should be the way it works.

The problem is that the various sources of income seem to be somewhat out of balance, more so than they have been in the past. If the biggest easy income source drives up the prices, then the rest have to work harder to keep their head above water. So we all have to become incursion runners (or whatever FOTM), at least part time, and every other "profession" becomes a redundant hobby.

If the inflation is caused by one job standing head and shoulders above the rest, then the answer to every noob question "Is it profitable to do X?" becomes "No, run incursions", and we end up with a more boring homogeneous game.

As long as there are a number of viable professions, inflation shouldn't be a problem at all, and the game will remain fun.

Not really, it balances itself out.

The more people that do incursions, the less sites are available, more competitions. Heck, nowadays you can easily get 3 - 4 fleets on the gate to the same vg. That means 10 ppl get paid, 20 - 30 other people don't in the same amount of time.

How do you control the EVE economy when anyone can buy a PLEX out of game and turn it into isk?

GǪexcept that you cannot buy PLEX and turn it into ISK.

You can only buy PLEX and trade it for pre-existing ISK. PLEX are almost completely economy-neutral.

...if anything, we should be reviewing the current bounties on battleship NPCs.

We're looking at the economy constantly and looking at our options.

One of the fundamental issues we have is that we're making everyone "better" at making money, so the effect kind of snowballs. Right now we're considering everything form increasing taxes to lowering bounties across the board.

Someone already posted the numbers, the majority of isk in EVE comes off bounties and if anything, we should be reviewing the current bounties on battleship NPCs.

Fun Facts:

In the month of Feb:


~8.6T ISK in Incursion Payouts

~4.8T in Mission Rewards + Mission Bonuses
~32T in NPC bounty


So of the combined Incursion/Missions/Ratting/etc ISK faucet

~81% comes from non-Incursion activity


EDIT: Beaten. Damn you Soundwave!

If currently 16% of all the ISK from all activities available in Eve comes from Incursions, I cant see how anyone can claim that THIS is not an issue. Or are 16% of all players (not characters, mind you) involved in Incursion running? I guess not.

So your saying that there is a cap on the amount of isk in game? or are you saying that sell my plex to someone who earn't the isk from one of the many unlimited isk sources in game isn't effectively creating isk?

So your saying that there is a cap on the amount of isk in game? or are you saying that sell my plex to someone who earn't the isk from one of the many unlimited isk sources in game isn't effectively creating isk?

I believe Tippia is point out the following:

- When you run an incursion the ISK you obtain is spontaneously created from nothing

- When you sell a PLEX, the ISK you obtain was already in existence (where that ISK comes from is irrelevant, the point is that the ISK you personally obtain already existed in game because you obtained it through trade with another player)

The key comparison is between the incursion runner and the PLEX vendor, where as you appear to mistake the comparison to be between the incursion runner and the PLEX purchaser (which is a nonsensical one at best).

- Jumpclone USAGE fee

I see your point of view. However mine is that if you can create isk from nothing by running missions or what ever and your only motivation to create that is is to buy a PLEX, that PLEX is effectively creating isk just buy being on the market. The player is just the middle man between the isk seller and the unlimited sources of isk in game..

Learn math.

* numbers showing there is money in the system *

I see your point of view. However mine is that if you can create isk from nothing by running missions or what ever and your only motivation to create that is is to buy a PLEX, that PLEX is effectively creating isk just buy being on the market. The player is just the middle man between the isk seller and the unlimited sources of isk in game..

How much ISK was paid out over the same time period in insurance?
How does that amount compare with the other sources of income we are discussing?

Ship destruction should be an ISK sink, not an ISK faucet.

I realize the implications and issues that would have to be dealt with, but frankly Insurance either needs to go or be completely reworked.

This would bring balance to the force.