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Krows
Caldari
Resource Reallocators Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:46:00 -
[91]
I'm posting in this thread just to say that the OP is terrible.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:47:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Aerieva
Rat in pairs or use the system next door, leet afk cloaking tactic overcome. 
Station system? Only a handful of good ratting systems? Why should regular players put up with griefing?
Any responses?
So what if it's a station system? Move to the neighboring system, setup some GSC's, drop loot in them and haul them next door to the station when the cans are full.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:50:00 -
[93]
Valid game mechanic.
just. remove. non. recon. cloaking.
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Viqtoria
Caldari
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:50:00 -
[94]
I would comment on this but the player base give so many damn conflicting arguements depending on what they want at that particular time, it's really not worth the time to think it out.
A way to scan out ships that are cloaked will inevitably happen as eve evolves, so it's just a matter of time.
Please keep your signature on-topic.
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Druadan
Aristotle Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:50:00 -
[95]
I'm undecided on whether or not AFK cloakers are a problem. One of the things people, those who reply "he's AFK, what can he possibly do while not at the controls?", are missing is that the problem isn't him being AFK, it's that he is AFK and unfindable. This means he can sit there for ages, go and play something else, go to the movies, whatever, and by the time he's come back the inhabitants of the space are thinking "**** it, he's AFK, he's just trying to spook us". Then he uncloaks and pounces. He is risk free until he engages, and the fact that he can sit there like Jack Sparrow while everything else acclimatises to him, then lash a couple of sea turtles together and kill a ratter is, in my eyes, a problem. That is to say it's a problem to the people whose space he is in.
What I'm undecided on is whether or not it is a problem to the game; whether or not CCP need to fix it. One the one hand I would say he's not going to do anything to people who are in groups, especially after the nano nerf where it might be possible to actually fight back. On the other hand, there's nothing really the alliance can do to take the AFK cloaker down. That's why he's cloaking, so no one can touch him. You can rally people together in defence, but you realise pretty quickly that the guy's an AFK cloaker so you're not going to get him 'cause he's not stupid enough to pounce while there's a fleet looking for him. So he does exactly what I've said up top: goes AFK, comes back an hour or so later and looks for an opportunity to pounce. To counter him, you get two or three people ratting together and hope that they can take him down together. If he's nano'd you put a huginn in there, but if you put a huginn in there he's not going to engage, so you put a rapier in there and all he does is warp 10km behind the ratters cloaked. So you've got squads of two ratters and a rapier going round just to be safe from one guy.
In some ways that's part of the nano problem, so I'd like to wait until after the nerf to see how much of an effect AFK cloaked recons still have on the game.
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:53:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Viqtoria
I would comment on this but the player base give so many damn conflicting arguements depending on what they want at that particular time, it's really not worth the time to think it out.
A way to scan out ships that are cloaked will inevitably happen as eve evolves, so it's just a matter of time.
I give conflicting arguments a lot of times. Mostly it's because I think that both sides are correct given their own take on the argument. I try not to do so in the same post, though.
Sometimes it's because, after reading a good counter argument, I change my take on a subject. Usually not an entire 180, but I have been known to 'see the light' and go another way.
And sometimes it's just fun 
So you want security? That's perfectly alright.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:55:00 -
[97]
AFK cloakers train your situational awareness.
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DesuSigs |
Traidor Disloyal
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:58:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
CCP do something about this pure *********
I have always been told that 0.0 is where the real men live. Maybe they meant the real whinners?
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 19:01:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/08/2008 08:08:46
Originally by: InDa Hood
Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:51:09
Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:50:51
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
How about giong to work for 10 hours like the guy I mentioned.
Everyone forgets things, like logging.
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
And if you're playing eve and need to get a sammich all of the sudden....LOG OUT! Dont stay safe and secure in your silly recon.
But then whining carebears who can't fit PvP ships to fight through ganks wouldn't come to the forums crying...
What then?
Oh yea, cause the problem is Im just not fighting him. That all I have to do is hop in a nano of my own and take him down.
Oh wait, he's cloaked.
And carebear? Watch your tongue little boy, even bears eat berries.
And fight through ganks? What? Have you even read the thread? Cloakers dont gate camp, so there's nothing to 'fight through'.
LOL That was cute. And by fight through, he meant setup your ship so that when he uncloaks you can gank him. Learn to play the game. Hint: Neuts?
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Plimbaret
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:12:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Plimbaret on 09/08/2008 21:13:36
Edited by: Plimbaret on 09/08/2008 21:13:16
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/08/2008 08:08:46
Originally by: InDa Hood
Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:51:09
Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:50:51
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
How about giong to work for 10 hours like the guy I mentioned.
Everyone forgets things, like logging.
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
And if you're playing eve and need to get a sammich all of the sudden....LOG OUT! Dont stay safe and secure in your silly recon.
But then whining carebears who can't fit PvP ships to fight through ganks wouldn't come to the forums crying...
What then?
Oh yea, cause the problem is Im just not fighting him. That all I have to do is hop in a nano of my own and take him down.
Oh wait, he's cloaked.
And carebear? Watch your tongue little boy, even bears eat berries.
And fight through ganks? What? Have you even read the thread? Cloakers dont gate camp, so there's nothing to 'fight through'.
you sir is what's wrong with eve, people finding problems instead of solutions
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Psychotic Turtle
Minmatar
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:15:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
All my hard work and i do not even get mentioned once, i am fed up!
Leaving your space immediately in search of recongnition elsewhere!
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Ghostthor
Caldari
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:32:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Psychotic Turtle
All my hard work and i do not even get mentioned once, i am fed up!
Leaving your space immediately in search of recongnition elsewhere!
Haha... This!
hOr > PT ... Finaly some proof.
-hOr
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Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:42:00 -
[103]
Cookie Cookie Cookie
YOU NEED COOKIE
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:43:00 -
[104]
If he is afk, he is not a danger to you. If he is not afk, then you have no point.
If the issue is that it is not possible for you to know when he is afk or not, and therefore his presence (while afk) hinders you, then I await your posts asking CCP to remove local so that it is no longer possible for him to terrorize you while afk.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We are pleased to aim!
Or was that the other way around?
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Zinras
Caldari
Order of draugr
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:50:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Zinras on 09/08/2008 21:50:47
So it's like this. You know he's AFK 90% of the day, at least, and that he's all by himself? And why is it you're not flying out in something that can survive a stealth bomber if you're that scared of being attacked?
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
*moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
That si a fact comming out from my bran.
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.09 22:55:00 -
[106]
Just to chime in my personal stand:
The tactic doesn't really fit Eve's theme, and should be fixed by CCP. Then again, while it works and is allowed, shouldn't blame people for using it.
-Lasse
feeling the same about nanoed big ships
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.08.09 22:58:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/08/2008 07:42:42
Originally by: InDa Hood
Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:35:55
AFK Cloaking is one of the most ridiculous problems to plaque EVE. Who knows what they could be doing, afk cloaked....
Eating a sammich?
Washing their hands?
bio break?
NOT PLAYING EVE!?!?!?
Coincidence?
How about giong to work for 10 hours like the guy I mentioned.
****.
And if you're playing eve and need to get a sammich all of the sudden....LOG OUT! Dont stay safe and secure in your silly recon.
So this guy is afk doing nothing ... I thought you said he was ratting the system all the day? Whats the issue? He cant do anything, you don't have enough people in system to matter .. How is he affecting you?
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Carrier Eleven
Gallente
EVE Posting Service
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Posted - 2008.08.10 00:52:00 -
[108]
Gee, I guess the OP's alliance should have bought the "PL keep us safe in our purchased constellation" option when they bought the area. Too bad for them.
Its called "area (or resource) denial" and is a valid tactic.
Whining will not change it....oh, wait....
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.08.10 00:55:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Khlitouris RegusII on 10/08/2008 00:56:31
Edited by: Khlitouris RegusII on 10/08/2008 00:56:16
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Orar Ironfist
"Hey look at me i fail so hard that i cant kill this 1 guy in a system. Please CCP change it so he cant be there so i can farm all day with no risk at all!  "
You can't kill him fail bunny, that's the thing you dbag. He chooses fights, times, location, and is nano'd so he can disengage if the system #'s explode.
It'll be more difficult after nano's get the dose of medicine, but that doesnt eliminate the griefing aspect; the fact that you can sit in a system for however long you want, and be invincible.
So he isn't an AFK cloaker then he is actually there and playing the game? WTF are you crying like a 2month old whose lost his dummy for then?
Oh and better make it so ships cant dock then cause you dont want people sitting in a system as long as they want and be INVINCIBLE.
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Vuxacha
VTECHS
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Posted - 2008.08.10 04:26:00 -
[110]
Im a covert ops pilot. I think its a b/s tactic but I've seen em suffer for it. Especially bombers.
I got so bored of it once (as the covert op) I started scouting the belts and telling the enemy alliance which ones had officers/convoys. I'd also drop a small mob warp disruptor outside their refining station and stuff. Ah what a tedious job.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.10 06:50:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 10/08/2008 06:50:35
Am i getting that now, not only do people want nano's nerfed, but they think RECONS are UNFAIR?
C/D recons are known for there overwhelming solo firepower?
seriously?
GTFO
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Tao Han
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.10 08:40:00 -
[112]
Complaints about AFK cloaking really has nothing to do with the afk part.
You cant possibly know if someone is afk, they might be there waiting, sneaking up behind you. You would not know.
So it really is a complaint about cloakingdevices being overpowered, just slightly diguised.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.10 08:57:00 -
[113]
Just an observation;
If you can't kill a cloaked ship when he uncloaks, how exactly are you going to kill him when (with your newly provided cloak-nerf module) you uncloak him?
C.
Originally by: Tarminic
Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:16:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Ulric Denrai
The real grievers are the cloakers ,not that alliance where people put years of time in ,then go to 0.0 .
Why are they grieving though there pet bunny snowy die?
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Joiske
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:35:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
For the single reason that you're whining about one guy in local threatening your space, it's a valid (and good) game-mechanic.
no its not, as your not actually playing eve 99.5% of the time you are afk cloaked, so in fact its borderline greifing and does nothing to be a good game mechanic.
this has come up time and time again, the simple and most logocal solution is to put a timer on the cloak, cloak more than 30 mins you decloak with a a 5 min decloak window, you wont be able to activate the cloak for 5 min. If you are afk away in real from your computer at that time, tough tittie, you'll get scanned out and popped, that is imho the best way to 'balance' the cloaking issue.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:40:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Joiske
that is imho the best way to 'balance' the cloaking issue.
And what is the issue exactly? That some are too afraid to venture outside when there's a single enemy in the system?
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:48:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Joiske
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
For the single reason that you're whining about one guy in local threatening your space, it's a valid (and good) game-mechanic.
no its not, as your not actually playing eve 99.5% of the time you are afk cloaked, so in fact its borderline greifing and does nothing to be a good game mechanic.
this has come up time and time again, the simple and most logocal solution is to put a timer on the cloak, cloak more than 30 mins you decloak with a a 5 min decloak window, you wont be able to activate the cloak for 5 min. If you are afk away in real from your computer at that time, tough tittie, you'll get scanned out and popped, that is imho the best way to 'balance' the cloaking issue.
Why? if the person whose cloaked is AFK they are no threat if they arent AFK then whats up? why are people so ****ing thick on this forum?
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Joiske
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:52:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Joiske
that is imho the best way to 'balance' the cloaking issue.
And what is the issue exactly? That some are too afraid to venture outside when there's a single enemy in the system?
the issue is that the person who is cloaked in the system 23/7 isnt actually sitting at his computer playing eve, he chooses his time to attack/grief.
I do not want cloaking nurfed to the extent that they become scanable, that is not the point, cloaks should not, never be able to be probed out. What is unbalanced is that fact that the cloak is a passive mod, that enables someone to sit in a system 23/7 and actually not be playing eve for 95% of the time there character is sat in that system.
This, you patheic little boy, is the problem. It is quite funny to see, that every post that is valid in the face of it a balancing issues, it seems as it is the same lame ass whiners that dont like the 'balancing' cause it means they would have to 'work' to achieve what they desire in game.
so, you and you lame ass 'afk cloaking' is a valid tatic can take a running jump and return to 'hello kitty online'
making the cloak a non passive mod would also go a long way to resolving the isk farmers, cause safe spotting and cloaking is no longer a real option. It should also be said that there needs to be a timer between being cloaked and logging off. If you log off cloaked, your ship should decloak and a 10 min cool down window should happen, as in you log, your ship uncloaks but is scanable for 10 mins...
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.10 12:02:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Joiske
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Joiske
that is imho the best way to 'balance' the cloaking issue.
And what is the issue exactly? That some are too afraid to venture outside when there's a single enemy in the system?
the issue is that the person who is cloaked in the system 23/7 isnt actually sitting at his computer playing eve, he chooses his time to attack/grief.
I do not want cloaking nurfed to the extent that they become scanable, that is not the point, cloaks should not, never be able to be probed out. What is unbalanced is that fact that the cloak is a passive mod, that enables someone to sit in a system 23/7 and actually not be playing eve for 95% of the time there character is sat in that system.
This, you patheic little boy, is the problem. It is quite funny to see, that every post that is valid in the face of it a balancing issues, it seems as it is the same lame ass whiners that dont like the 'balancing' cause it means they would have to 'work' to achieve what they desire in game.
so, you and you lame ass 'afk cloaking' is a valid tatic can take a running jump and return to 'hello kitty online'
making the cloak a non passive mod would also go a long way to resolving the isk farmers, cause safe spotting and cloaking is no longer a real option. It should also be said that there needs to be a timer between being cloaked and logging off. If you log off cloaked, your ship should decloak and a 10 min cool down window should happen, as in you log, your ship uncloaks but is scanable for 10 mins...
Well if the cloaker chooses the optimal moment to attack isnt that the point??? And whose fault is it exactly that this cloaked ship is given an optimal moment to attack? Well what d'ya know - its yours.
The question really is - where is your support against this ebil lone cloaker?
Might I hazard a guess all your support is 15 jumps away blobing a gate? And if they weren't so busy blobing a gate theyd actually be in the same system as you providing protection? Hmm?
And don't call people 'pathetic little boys' it makes your argument so much weaker as a result.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic
Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.10 12:06:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Joiske
the issue is that the person who is cloaked in the system 23/7 isnt actually sitting at his computer playing eve, he chooses his time to attack/grief.
So? If someone is on the hunt, he already chooses his time to attack, cloaked or not.
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What is unbalanced is that fact that the cloak is a passive mod, that enables someone to sit in a system 23/7 and actually not be playing eve for 95% of the time there character is sat in that system.
…and again, how is not playing ≡v≡ a problem?
If he's not playing, he's not a problem.
If he is playing, and choose to attack, you kill him — not a problem.
Also, the whole idea of the cloaker "griefing" people keeps popping up. What does this griefing consist of?
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