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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Helox I agree, this guy is totally right. I think it's an outrage that griefers like Ghostthor can get away with this. It's just plain rediculous that people can't mine or rat in peace without the fear of beeing ganked. Not even to mention that Ghostthor is flying in a nano, which should be nerfed as well.
And I mean, come on! Who brings pvp capable ships for mining or ratting anyway? It's not like we miners and ratters WANT to pvp, Ghost forces himself onto us. Can't CCP make it that I have to click a box that allows other people to engage in combat with me?
I sure hope my sarcasm detector is broken…
Also, there's no "e" in ridiculous.
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AltBier
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:23:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Feilamya Here's an idea how to fix AFK cloaking:
Make cloakers invisible in local.
YES PLEASE!
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Helox Second, what sarcasm?
I was hoping that this bit was sarcastic: Quote: It's just plain rediculous that people can't mine or rat in peace without the fear of beeing ganked. […] Can't CCP make it that I have to click a box that allows other people to engage in combat with me?
If it isn't, then you're going to need some asbestos PJs.
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Helox
Gallente Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:17:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Helox Second, what sarcasm?
I was hoping that this bit was sarcastic: Quote: It's just plain rediculous that people can't mine or rat in peace without the fear of beeing ganked. […] Can't CCP make it that I have to click a box that allows other people to engage in combat with me?
If it isn't, then you're going to need some asbestos PJs.
Ofcourse not! I find it completely rEdiculous that those nasty people in Demonic Retribution like Ghostthor are allowed to take advantage of innocent miners and ratters. I think it would be a great idea for CCP to provide some protection, preferably in the form of some sort of "consentual agreement" between the attacker and the attackee.
And do send Ghostthorn 0.1 isk.
-- the above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head
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Darius Falc
Gallente M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:50:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Helox Second, what sarcasm?
I was hoping that this bit was sarcastic: Quote: It's just plain rediculous that people can't mine or rat in peace without the fear of beeing ganked. [à] Can't CCP make it that I have to click a box that allows other people to engage in combat with me?
If it isn't, then you're going to need some asbestos PJs.
I love this idea of having a button you can press that says you don't want to PVP. I think that the button should probably also activate a neon pink flashing care bear on the side of your ship, just so people really can't miss it. Whilst we're at it I think that we should abolish lo sec. I mean wtf is with that....I was there the other day and somebody came and blew me up out of the blue. They didn't even say hello first? I'd taken all the appropriate precautions, I was flying my hauler and I'd changed it's name to "please don't attack me" and I'd cunningly decided to fly through lo sec at peak time, just when people wouldn't expect me to.
I really think we need to do something about EvE being so dangerous....I mean....If this was the real world...think of the law suits.
o.O
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Djana Libra
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:53:00 -
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Try adepting perhaps.
Rat in a pvp setup (if they cloak a ship thats not specificly meant for cloaking they pre nerf there ships setup)
Set a trap for him/her a few times and he/she will go to a different system
Keep spamming the scanner while ratting and if you spot him just warp off.
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waferzankko
Caldari Bears Inc Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.08.11 15:13:00 -
[157]
man i love afk cloaking, its so much fun to put fear in a system, too bad i am only in an indy
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Doctor Remulak
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Remulak on 11/08/2008 22:26:45 Remove alts and local from Eve. Problem minized and many other problems solved at the same time. And there is a consensual PVP button already. I believe it is called 'Cloaking Device.'
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:26:00 -
[159]
O M F G
This is still a topic ? How many CCP posts do you n00bs need to know that its a non-issue --
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:25:00 -
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OVER 9000!!!!!!!
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Cruel Crow
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:49:00 -
[161]
Ambulation AFK - Enjoy
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Veran Nijoba
Amarr The Darkness of Light
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Posted - 2008.08.12 00:47:00 -
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I have one thing to say to you... GROW UP OR GET OFF! 'nough Said... if a 3.1m SP Char can learn this much then so can you...
Why Not Counter Strike against him... DUH! ____________________________________ Gone to Rat
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Turin
Caldari Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Turin on 12/08/2008 00:52:58
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
Well, if he is cloaked, I dont see how he is bothering you, since you canot shoot things while cloaked. If he uncloaks and attacks you..... kill him? Seems pretty easy to me.
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.12 01:03:00 -
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It really does suck that one AFK player with a cloak can lock down a whole system, and potentially paralyse an entire alliance.
I mean... He's CLOAKED!...
...and he's... he's... AFK!
WHAT THE HELL? It's like having a permanent 100 MAN WARFLEET OF TITANS!
It's like having a gigantic PLANET with RABIES wielding a PLANK OF WOOD WITH A RUSTY NAIL IN IT!
Seriously, OP... you are an embarrasment to your alliance. Have you any idea how WEAK you sound? |
Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.12 01:47:00 -
[165]
Please continue to rip hani a new one. This shitpost doesn't reflect the rest of FREEE's feelings. We really doesn't give a flying about cloaked recons. ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer |
Clinically
Gallente ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.12 01:53:00 -
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aww look at the little OP, it's his first time in 0.0 and he scared. ________________ Q. How do you clear a system of 400 Northern Monkeys? A. Remind them its not cyno jammed. |
StainLessStealRat
Firman AB 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.12 03:25:00 -
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----------------------------------------------------------Do you want CCP to log people out of the game if they sit in space cloaked? Do you want any sort of competition and risk in this game? --------------------------------------------------------- YES!
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Svenjabi Xiang
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.12 04:26:00 -
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Edited by: Svenjabi Xiang on 12/08/2008 04:40:52 After having read this, perhaps the 20th or so of these "nerf cloaking modules" posts, I remain convinced of one thing only and that is that cloaking sure does annoy people. Seems, though, having spent a fair amount of time cloaking that THAT is the point.
The ability of one person in a supremely thin ship to completely disrupt the lives of his enemies (and more, WATCH THEM being disrupted) is pure gold. There 's never been so much humor in my time on Eve as watching 20-30 guys scouring a belt/gate looking for a single cloaker freak that is already 150+ km away.
As much as I love the other ships in my hanger, the HAC's and Battleships, the stealth bomber and recons will likely remain a staple of my Eve career.
For those that can't deal with the cloaker in YOUR systems.. good..
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.08.12 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Aerieva Rat in pairs or use the system next door, leet afk cloaking tactic overcome.
Station system? Only a handful of good ratting systems? Why should regular players put up with griefing?
Any responses?
step #1: fit your rattingship for PvP step #2: get an alt (a buddy) in a force recon ship recon ship step #2 alternative: gang up with other people in your alliance/corp that are in local step #3: rat step #4: bait him step #5: kill him or atleast scare him away, do this often enough and he will lose interest.
tbh - EVERYONE in this system ratting should be ganged up, so that you can aid each other against single cloakers (but don't make the mistake to ignore incoming warnings of roaming gangs) ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Lyvv
Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Lyvv on 12/08/2008 05:20:45
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
You know what? I'd go as far as suggesting to remove cloaked players from local who sit in Recon- and stealth bomber-type ships so no one knows they are there, once cloaked.
That is stealth - that is a real cloak
You want to rat in 100% safety? 0.0 isnt for you. Go back to empire and stop *****ing, moaning and whining about people cloaking in your favorite ratting system.
Nerf carebears!
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Lyvv
Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Svenjabi Xiang Edited by: Svenjabi Xiang on 12/08/2008 04:40:52 ...and more, WATCH THEM...
Thats one of the major perks of Recons and also their role. They are the eyes and ears of the Fleet Commander.
You will have to depend on cloaking ships more than ever once this carebear-induced nano-nerf hits Tranq as you no longer can fly HAC / nano gangs to disrupt the carebearing fools in 0.0. You will have to know whats behind the gate because now your regular gang that you used to fly with just got bigger and heavier - ie BCs, BS and Caldari HACs.
In the age of capital ships, where every spastic **** in 0.0 flies a carrier on Sunday, its a must to know what you are jumping into.
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NoOth3rDestiny
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Posted - 2008.08.12 05:43:00 -
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I don't mind there is actual cloaking and you could setup an ambush that may or may not work. But it is a bit lame for 3 reasons...
#1: Unlimited cloak time with no way to detect #2: No AFK Timer #3: You know they are in system via local but can't detect them what so ever... if realism comes into this, then thats bull :)
There should be either a long winded way to detect cloakers. Cloakers should be used for scouting still etc without been spotted cept in local, but those AFKing in systems should get ****d if they ain't done anything for like 20+mins. Sure have enough time to have a bio break or make up some food, but not unlimited geez... Either an AFK timer, make the module not run forever or have some way to detect them eventually, though it could take a very long time, special small range probes? long scan time probes? or something meh, takes 5-10minutes... That way if the guy is there he can figure out what is going on, or if not, he still has time to return.
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InSession
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 05:51:00 -
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Edited by: InSession on 12/08/2008 05:52:18 It's a completely valid tactic, imo.
Ratters have local, an intel channel, cloaks, alignment, logoffski, and a station/POS/safespot all at their disposal for safety. People roaming have luck, and skill that's it. Much easier to be a ratter than it is a roamer.
So yes, give the PvP'ers one more tool to annoy the NPC'ers because you have no idea as to how annoying it is to skillfully scan people out in under 10 seconds and already have them warping out just as you drop warp because local gave them a huge head start.
We fill the same annoyance that you do when people get away with such ease, as you do with people cloaked in your system taunting you.
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Lyvv
Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: NoOth3rDestiny I don't mind there is actual cloaking and you could setup an ambush that may or may not work. But it is a bit lame for 3 reasons...
#1: Unlimited cloak time with no way to detect #2: No AFK Timer #3: You know they are in system via local but can't detect them what so ever... if realism comes into this, then thats bull :)
There should be either a long winded way to detect cloakers. Cloakers should be used for scouting still etc without been spotted cept in local, but those AFKing in systems should get ****d if they ain't done anything for like 20+mins. Sure have enough time to have a bio break or make up some food, but not unlimited geez... Either an AFK timer, make the module not run forever or have some way to detect them eventually, though it could take a very long time, special small range probes? long scan time probes? or something meh, takes 5-10minutes... That way if the guy is there he can figure out what is going on, or if not, he still has time to return.
Dude "Realism" would be: You not being able to see them even in local to start with.
That would fix a lot of things. People would at least stop about AFK cloakers on forums. Every other week some turd comes on here screaming about a cloak nerf or any other nerf cause he is annoyed, bored, posting during downtime or whatever.
NERF NANO NERF NANO wheee NERF CLOAK NERF CLOAK....all so you muppets can run around 0.0 in 90% assurance that no one will **** with you.
Eve used to be hard...and it used to be a lot more fun and stand out from the standard MMOs like WOW, EQ just to name the biggest 2. But you former WOW players, who never really incurred losses, never really ran into any risks playing your games need to adjust to Eve and not the other way around.
And screaming for cloak nerf? Think about the relation to that. A gate or system can see no activity for hours. In order to monitor the system, you need to be in it.
Like I mentioned before, every fool flies a carrier on Sunday, thats somewhat of a risk for a small gang...so you need eyes and ears in the system.
Thats what I use alts for, and I am sure a lot of other people use their second accounts on either the same or different computer and play that way.
I can only speak for myself, thats the way I do it and I am paying for it.
So, take your realism of being able to see cloaked players in local, and go back to ratting...
CSM - you guys would actually get some kudos and be useful on top of that, if you would create a sticky for these complaints, whines and what and sort that shit by topic and put these threads in there.
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AltBier
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.12 10:59:00 -
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EVE would be a lot more interesting without the local channel.
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Jasmine Dixon
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Posted - 2008.08.12 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Dixon on 12/08/2008 11:20:36 Simple solution to the problem:
The cloaking switches of every 10 Minutes, you can reactivate it instantly, but of course you have to be sitting at the PC and actually play the game to do so.......
......noone afk should be able to have any influence in the universe without consequences......
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sebea
all of this would be pretty cool, except the impact on super caps. I'm pretty sure just about every titan fits a cloak of some sort to hide before/after the DD, and when moving about in general. This would castrate them. Not that I mind, but the rush of folks plowing into systems to kill the titans would melt the servers.
IF something like this went through, stealth bombers, recons (cov ops only, not combat recons), covops, and blackops would need to be immune to the timers, it is after all their main strength, and THEIR JOB
Actually that's why I said non-cov ops cloaks.
My intention was that ships capable of warping while cloaked should not be effected by the max run time.
i.e. they can still AFK cloak, but if they want to do that to gather intel they will need to be on grid and essentially at risk because they could be de-cloaked.
An exclusion could also be added for Titans as I agree that's a fairly unique problem.
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Mr Pentex
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Posted - 2008.08.12 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Pentex on 12/08/2008 11:41:57 Edited by: Mr Pentex on 12/08/2008 11:41:14
Originally by: Atrei Capital
Originally by: Angry Cyno By posting this EMO post you FAIL!
Wheres the emo?
Also: AFK cloaking is a cheesy tactic. The problem with a cloak is that it's an entirely passive module, requiring no thought or input, that makes you entirely invulnerable as long as you safe up.
There is no viable method for decloaking a safespotted cloaker. Your options are to either have PVPers camp the system for hours.. (Oh, yes, lots of fun, sitting around waiting for someone to uncloak ), or to go back to what your doing.. and let someone get ganked. After 12 hours, they uncloak, kill a miner, then recloak to afk again before anyone comes.
I would, however, support making the cloak have something like a 30 minute maximum timer.. followed by a 1 minute period where it does not function. To counter this, make cloakers dissapear from local: Give them actual stealth, but don't allow them to sit AFK and lock a system down. Then, they function as intended, not as a mere tool for an alt griefer.
Sounds like a solid idee, or maby you could have some type of bomb that could bring a cloaked player out of cloak, combined with a sensor that could pickup a cloaked players possition with in say 50 or so km, and then you would have to bomb the area to bring him/her out of cloak.
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kazang Edited by: Kazang on 09/08/2008 10:47:13
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And fight through ganks? What? Have you even read the thread? Cloakers dont gate camp, so there's nothing to 'fight through'.
If the guy is afk and not going to fight as you say, wtf are you worried about? Have you even read your own posts? Your argument is total *******s. If this guy in your system is as you afk then coming back every 2 hours or so to gank someone. Whats to stop him simply logging off for 2 hours, coming on for 5, scan, gank, log. You see, same effect. Without the afking, the afking makes no diference at all, none zero, zilch, except to **** you off. And in case you havnt noticed in eve an awful lot of people will do stuff just to annoy you, because its fun, get used to it.
Ummm its very different btw. The whole point of the afk part is that you cant tell when they are afk, unless he screws it up by logging off everytime .....
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Lyvv
Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Sebea
all of this would be pretty cool, except the impact on super caps. I'm pretty sure just about every titan fits a cloak of some sort to hide before/after the DD, and when moving about in general. This would castrate them. Not that I mind, but the rush of folks plowing into systems to kill the titans would melt the servers.
IF something like this went through, stealth bombers, recons (cov ops only, not combat recons), covops, and blackops would need to be immune to the timers, it is after all their main strength, and THEIR JOB
Actually that's why I said non-cov ops cloaks.
My intention was that ships capable of warping while cloaked should not be effected by the max run time.
i.e. they can still AFK cloak, but if they want to do that to gather intel they will need to be on grid and essentially at risk because they could be de-cloaked.
An exclusion could also be added for Titans as I agree that's a fairly unique problem.
Okay you got me. Maybe you aint a muppet after all - and that is a solid idea, afteral. You are welcome in my fanclub then.
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