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Plumpy McPudding	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:00:00 - [181] Omgzors! I kant finds dis persun cloking en mah sistem! Theys jus sitin der doin nuttin and I kant get dem!!!! Wat da hel! __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
Liz Laser	Posted - 2008.08.12 15:16:00 - [182] Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Omgzors! I kant finds dis persun cloking en mah sistem! Theys jus sitin der doin nuttin and I kant get dem!!!! Wat da hel! You spell like a cat on the internet. :-)
Psychotic Turtle Minmatar Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:00:00 - [183] Edited by: Psychotic Turtle on 12/08/2008 16:00:24 Originally by: Lyvv Originally by: NoOth3rDestiny I don't mind there is actual cloaking and you could setup an ambush that may or may not work. But it is a bit lame for 3 reasons... #1: Unlimited cloak time with no way to detect #2: No AFK Timer #3: You know they are in system via local but can't detect them what so ever... if realism comes into this, then thats bull :) There should be either a long winded way to detect cloakers. Cloakers should be used for scouting still etc without been spotted cept in local, but those AFKing in systems should get **d if they ain't done anything for like 20+mins. Sure have enough time to have a bio break or make up some food, but not unlimited geez... Either an AFK timer, make the module not run forever or have some way to detect them eventually, though it could take a very long time, special small range probes? long scan time probes? or something meh, takes 5-10minutes... That way if the guy is there he can figure out what is going on, or if not, he still has time to return. Dude "Realism" would be: You not being able to see them even in local to start with. That would fix a lot of things. People would at least stop about AFK cloakers on forums. Every other week some turd comes on here screaming about a cloak nerf or any other nerf cause he is annoyed, bored, posting during downtime or whatever. NERF NANO NERF NANO wheee NERF CLOAK NERF CLOAK....all so you muppets can run around 0.0 in 90% assurance that no one will ** with you. Eve used to be hard...and it used to be a lot more fun and stand out from the standard MMOs like WOW, EQ just to name the biggest 2. But you former WOW players, who never really incurred losses, never really ran into any risks playing your games need to adjust to Eve and not the other way around. And screaming for cloak nerf? Think about the relation to that. A gate or system can see no activity for hours. In order to monitor the system, you need to be in it. Like I mentioned before, every fool flies a carrier on Sunday, thats somewhat of a risk for a small gang...so you need eyes and ears in the system. Thats what I use alts for, and I am sure a lot of other people use their second accounts on either the same or different computer and play that way. I can only speak for myself, thats the way I do it and I am paying for it. So, take your realism of being able to see cloaked players in local, and go back to ratting... CSM - you guys would actually get some kudos and be useful on top of that, if you would create a sticky for these complaints, whines and what and sort that shit by topic and put these threads in there. And why would they stop whining on the forums? The whined about the nano nerf long enough and they got it. They will whine about cloaks and they will also get this. Its not about game quality or concept anymore Lyvv, its about expanding your customer base, and CCP is always looking for lame new ways to suck in the WOW crowd. The reality is, we just have to be around the curve for the next nerf and keep at what we do with new toys and tools. I said it beffore the nanonerf, if the whiners think they will now have easy kills they are kidding themselfs.
NAT Mav TribalWar Inc	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:11:00 - [184] Ugh. While Hani's ******ed for posting this, since it always gets the same reaction, the people doing it know that there are very few (reasonable) counters to it, otherwise it wouldn't be so common. I don't particularly care for it myself, but I've learned to live with it. It's also quite popular with macro-ratters, but we'll overlook that little detail since the same tactic works for annoying them as well. It's just part of the ever-going race to inflict the maximum possible damage for the least possible risk. First it was stabs, then suicide ganks, then it was nanos, now we'll move on to cloaks. But CCP will keep adding more stuff to the game, and keep swinging the nerfbat, and people will keep finding ways to annoy the crap out of you, so get used to it.
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:15:00 - [185] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses? Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week. For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them. We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging ** for this. CCP do something about this pure ******* Go to another system, bait him, trick him, just overpower him, work in gangs, whatever. If one guy can ruin everything for you, you, well, suck.
Promethian child Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:47:00 - [186] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Go to another system, bait him, trick him, just overpower him, work in gangs, whatever. If one guy can ruin everything for you, you, well, suck. This
CrazyZack	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:54:00 - [187] This does need considering... Nothing is wrong with being in a system cloaked.. But being able to hop off your computer while the core is going at 50-100 percent (Eating power and yes contributing to the energy crisis) AFKing for hours or days is beyond silly.. And the fix is simple.. No commands for 30 mins = deactivation of module.. Simple as that... If they are decicated they will spend the 1 min moving to the window and changing the move direction or warp to a new safespot..
Gracious NightAngel	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:25:00 - [188] I must admit I leave my computer on when going to bed
Tyson Gallane Caldari Political Warfare Executive	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:56:00 - [189] I've found that it is entirely impossible to AFK rat in 0.0 space. :( T.
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:58:00 - [190] I find this thread hillarious Most 'afk cloakers' are in ships that, by themselves, are really no threat to a properly fitted ship in 0.0. Now... if you're complaining about GANGS of "AFK cloakers" I would submit that those gangs probably aren't AFK at all. How do you know they aren't active just waiting for you to screw up and make a mistake? I've been on both sides of this argument. I've been the 0.0 resident who's space has afk cloakers in it and I've been the merc on contract cloaked in hostile 0.0 space trying to catch someone being foolish enough for me and my squadron to kill him. Bottom line: MOST cloakers aren't afk. Also: Most cloakers aren't a threat by themselves. Most people don't gripe about a LONE cloaked ship... they whine when there are 4 or more of them in system because that's actually a threat. But guess what... odds are those 4 folks aren't AFK... at least not all of them.... Lets put it this way: A cloak (unless it's a covert ops cloak) nerfs the hell out of your lock time. If you are seriously worried about a pilot sitting cloaked in your system then you are not flying smart. You should ALWAYS be aligned and always be watching your overview. If a red shows up on overview you simply warp out of the belt to a safe spot that you're already aligned to. Seriously people... quit complaining about valid game mechanics and learn to deal with them. Now, granted, RECON ships don't have lock time delays but then again... a recon ship really isn't much of a threat to a properly fitted ship. Especially when you're in YOUR OWN SPACE. Get in a gang... rat in a gang... mine in a gang... you don't have to have the whole gang with you.. you just need them to be active and ready to come to each other's assistance if one is attacked. There isn't a cloaker gang out there that can take down a properly fitted BS or BC fast enough to ignore 20 ships warping into them. They will run... every time. If you learn how to deal with the problem rather than whining about it on forums you'll quickly find that people will stop trying to kill you with cloakers. The problem isn't the 'afk' cloakers. The problem is members of alliances like yourself who are unwilling to deal with the problem and would rather throw their hands up in defeat and run to the forums crying 'grief grief, I'm being griefed!' when just using some common sense solves the issue quite nicely. .
Ghostthor Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:08:00 - [191] Originally by: Promethian child Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Go to another system, bait him, trick him, just overpower him, work in gangs, whatever. If one guy can ruin everything for you, you, well, suck. This You can't trix me... Silly wabbit, Trix are for kids. -hOr
Fir Q Minmatar Trident Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:58:00 - [192] Originally by: Taram Caldar ... While some of what you said is valid and true I think the largest annoyance is that groups like yourselves, refuse to actually 'fight'. What you do isn't pvp, you get a free gank here and there. But not one single time have I seen/heard of you guys actually fighting something remotely close to a real engagement. Anytime the numbers are near equal or the ship types are something that would raise a good fight you guys cloak and hide. With no possible counter to that it really makes it unfun to fight you guys. If this is your 'goal' then actually i feel sad for you. I stopped caring about losing ships a while ago and ya know, it makes the game a lot more fun. As for the 'How do you know they aren't active just waiting for you to screw up and make a mistake?' comment. Because no one can play eve 23/7, you can be logged in 23/7 but I promise you they aren't active 23/7. For 'Get in a gang... rat in a gang... mine in a gang... you don't have to have the whole gang with you' comment. So lets say people are mining yada yada yada, you guys come in, they go 'reds!' go and switch ships, you'll uncloak and fight? oh... that's right... you won't. as for Ghostthor and company, tho they may cloak a LOT, they will at least engage in fights. They actually use the ships as they are supposed to be used... to fight. I'm sure this will get flamed, but oh well, at the end of the day it doesn't bother me to much. Fir Q
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:59:00 - [193] 7 pages? Seriously. 7 pages? I feel like I'm owed my time back. If the guy is AFK cloaked then what's the problem? He's afk hence can't kill you, you blithering idiot. If you are actually worried about one guy in system who is cloaked but not afk then you are not flying carefully enough. Either way it comes down to a problem with your playstyle not the guy who happens to be using a perfectly valid module.
Locutious Minmatar Rising Phoenix Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:06:00 - [194] So let me get this straight... A lion sneaks up to a herd of zebra's. The lion is hiding in the tall grass so the zebra's can smell him but not really see where the threat is coming from. He lays in the sun with his pride quietly awaiting the right moment to strike. He see's a wounded or weak young zebra that is far off from the rest of the herd. Option 1: The lion strikes, tearing the the young zebra's throat out and dragging his meal into the grass again. The herd comes to find the infant but the lion has escaped. Option 2: The lion strikes, the young zebra bolts off towards the herd. The herd comes out in force and charges the lion. The lion is forced to loose his meal and run back into the safety of the grass or risk being trampled to death by the older wiser members of the herd. So, Nerf Lions? We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile
Ghostthor Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:17:00 - [195] Originally by: Fir Q Originally by: Taram Caldar ... ... as for Ghostthor and company, tho they may cloak a LOT, they will at least engage in fights. They actually use the ships as they are supposed to be used... to fight. I'm sure this will get flamed, but oh well, at the end of the day it doesn't bother me to much. Thank you sir, see you out there. -hOr
Locutious Minmatar Rising Phoenix Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:32:00 - [196] Edited by: Locutious on 12/08/2008 19:34:34 I'm not Mr. Uber PvP or even remotely close to that, but why exactly would you be more scared by a cloaker in your system? For that matter why would you be scared of anything in your system. 1. Don't fly what you can't afford to replace. I mean, I thought Eve was supposed to be all super duper hardcore? I guess I'm a carebear because I spend all my time running missions right now (cause I'm broke as a joke) but I never leave a station without knowing I'm insured, my clone is up to date, and people can and will shoot me anywhere at anytime for any reason. Sounds to me like Local is nothing but a crutch for a lot of people. I never even give it a glance. If someone needs to talk to me they can send me a message directly. The thought of picking when and where I fight sounds like a pretty good tactic to me though, I may have to think about training a cloaking device after this long drawn out love fest. I guess it just blows me away that people actually get their panties in a bunch because there's an unknown variable floating around in their system somewhere. I guess if you're that scared get a couple of your buddies to learn cloaking and have them babysit you while you do your mining so they can hold your hand if the big bad wolf comes after you. Personally, I fully expect to get my head blown off at a Gatecamp, by a pirate, or by some random 12 year old with a cloaking device. Honestly, thats why I play Eve instead of Hello Kitty online. It may get expensive but at least I won't go down like a little b****. edit: Hell, after 7 pages of this I think I want to grow up to be like Ghosthor and scare all the little kiddies too. Never thought I'd be able to hold an entire system hostage with a single module worth less than 1 million isk. We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile
FALLEN XCALIBER Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:50:00 - [197] Originally by: Locutious So let me get this straight... A lion sneaks up to a herd of zebra's. The lion is hiding in the tall grass so the zebra's can smell him but not really see where the threat is coming from. He lays in the sun with his pride quietly awaiting the right moment to strike. He see's a wounded or weak young zebra that is far off from the rest of the herd. Option 1: The lion strikes, tearing the the young zebra's throat out and dragging his meal into the grass again. The herd comes to find the infant but the lion has escaped. Option 2: The lion strikes, the young zebra bolts off towards the herd. The herd comes out in force and charges the lion. The lion is forced to loose his meal and run back into the safety of the grass or risk being trampled to death by the older wiser members of the herd. So, Nerf Lions? Awesome analogy. Yes, nerf the lions! All the herbivores can chew on their grass in peace! Seriously, the methods to counter or deal with an AFK cloaker have already been mentioned a thousand times in this thread. Enough said. Join channel: "Eve University"
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:56:00 - [198] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg You're afk cloaked in a system for 23/7: Wake up. Log on to main after dt. You go to work. You take the kids to soccer practice, you pork the misses. You do two missions with your alt in empire. You pick up the kids from practice. You check your afk cloaker in the system. You eat dinner. You go to bed. You forgot the part where his AFK, unmanned ship jumps you in a belt and ganks your ratting 'Geddon. Oh wait... *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:58:00 - [199] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 12/08/2008 19:58:12 Originally by: Haniblecter Teg In addition: Is there any other like corollary to cloaking in general? Something where you're 'playing' but completely unfindable and therefore invincible. Besides being in a station, no. Which means the answer to your question is actually "Yes." *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:59:00 - [200] Originally by: Sweet Rosella Simple solution set an afk timer. Simpler solution: whenever someone posts on the forums, log that character off. You can't be posting on the forums and playing EVE at the same time. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:00:00 - [201] Hey! I'm only on the first page of this thread, there's seven more to go (so far)! *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:01:00 - [202] Hey guys, next whine coming up: How come hostiles can log off in my system!!!! WHAT IF THEY LOG IN WHILE IM RATTING??? Same thing TBH. Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Fir Q Minmatar Trident Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:07:00 - [203] Originally by: Synapse Archae Hey guys, next whine coming up: How come hostiles can log off in my system!!!! WHAT IF THEY LOG IN WHILE IM RATTING??? Same thing TBH. yea, cause while logged out they can scan to see what belt you're in. obviously the same. Moron. Fir Q
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:13:00 - [204] Originally by: Fir Q ea, cause while logged out they can scan to see what belt you're in. obviously the same. Moron. Yes. Same. They can scan the belt just as well while logged off as they can when AFK.
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:22:00 - [205] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Fir Q ea, cause while logged out they can scan to see what belt you're in. obviously the same. Moron. Yes. Same. They can scan the belt just as well while logged off as they can when AFK. Tippia is mining in 4-3. I know this because I have an alt logged off in her system. :D Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:27:00 - [206] Edited by: Tippia on 12/08/2008 20:27:18 Originally by: Synapse Archae Tippia is mining in 4-3. I know this because I have an alt logged off in her system. :D Yup. And Synapse's logged-off alt is sneaking around 4-1. I know this because I'm in the kitchen, making a sandwich.
Terminus adacai Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:32:00 - [207] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses? Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week. For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them. We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging ** for this. CCP do something about this pure ******* DO you have any idea of what AFK stands for? If you do, why would it bother you at all? How about fitting some frigates or cruisers that can insta lock this dude and bait him. When he uncloaks, call them in and get a lock. If he can't shake your lock, he can't cloak. If ya scram him, he ain't going anywhere. If he plays logoffski, scan out his ship before aggro runs down. Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Aarin Wrath Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:54:00 - [208] Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 12/08/2008 20:55:13 Originally by: CrazyZack This does need considering... Nothing is wrong with being in a system cloaked.. But being able to hop off your computer while the core is going at 50-100 percent (Eating power and yes contributing to the energy crisis) AFKing for hours or days is beyond silly.. Aww crud. I better run home and turn off my Folding @ Home screensaver!!!!!oneElevenOneeleven! Its running with all cores pinned at 100% right now! Oh noez! /troll So your rational is that AFK cloaking is contributing to the energy crisis? Wow man .. 10/10 for trolling. Thats like ... so way out there is like ... Epic troll.
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:34:00 - [209] Originally by: Lyvv Okay you got me. Maybe you aint a muppet after all - and that is a solid idea, afteral. You are welcome in my fanclub then. Where do I sign-up? I can bring a plank with a nail and the Rabies mentioned above but sadly not the Titans..
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.12 22:03:00 - [210] Originally by: Pithecanthropus But whether thats a true statement or not, doesn't change the fact that those who do afk are abusing a flawed mechanic with no effort for grief purposes. The very fact that you can't tell if they are there are not makes it irrelevant, in game it makes no difference. This is the same reason there is no griefing in EVE; because anything which could be construed as abusing the mechanics to grief people can also be construed as valid gameplay, and since it depends on the players motivation, which like the presence of a possibly-AFK cloaker cannot be verified, it makes no difference what the motivation is and therefore can be assumed to not be griefing. - DesuSigs

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