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Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:42:00 - [241] Sadly i dont think its a question of if cloaking gets nerfed, but what gets nerfed first, cloaks or ecm. Vote against the nano nerf!
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:44:00 - [242] Originally by: Dr Slaughter as I'm sick to the back teeth of people like Pithecanthropus posting about stuff like this as if it's a problem. While you're at it, please modify your log servers to collect stats of ships destroyed by ships that had been cloaked just prior to the attack. If my guess that this amounts to less than 0.001% of all ship losses in all of eve please can I have some cake or beer? Until you've been part of it on both sides, don't sit here and make a case that you know what you're talking about. Fact is, if you are playing, there should be no reason why anyone would be against a timer and recalibration time for cloaks. But in the end, we all know they just like to leave their ship, go afk to stir up fear in a system while everyone who tries to bait wastes time, other's simply log off, and some move else where. Now you tell me, should someone who doesn't even play have that effect? No. Should someone who is playing have that effect... yes. So if you play your game, you are fine, but going to your ballet class while you afk cloak is not fine. A cloaking timer would solve that, and reassure MY time, and OUR time. Stop being a selfish weeny. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:50:00 - [243] Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 14/08/2008 15:50:54 Originally by: Pithecanthropus Originally by: Dr Slaughter as I'm sick to the back teeth of people like Pithecanthropus posting about stuff like this as if it's a problem. While you're at it, please modify your log servers to collect stats of ships destroyed by ships that had been cloaked just prior to the attack. If my guess that this amounts to less than 0.001% of all ship losses in all of eve please can I have some cake or beer? Until you've been part of it on both sides, don't sit here and make a case that you know what you're talking about. Fact is, if you are playing, there should be no reason why anyone would be against a timer and recalibration time for cloaks. But in the end, we all know they just like to leave their ship, go afk to stir up fear in a system while everyone who tries to bait wastes time, other's simply log off, and some move else where. Now you tell me, should someone who doesn't even play have that effect? No. Should someone who is playing have that effect... yes. So if you play your game, you are fine, but going to your ballet class while you afk cloak is not fine. A cloaking timer would solve that, and reassure MY time, and OUR time. Stop being a selfish weeny. When I started out you couldn't probe down logoffs which was a valid way of leaving the game due to RL. Then probes came in. Best way to 'leave game' due to RL now is cloak. Cloaks already have re-calibration time. Timers should not effect cov-ops cloaks. I'm all for my suggested changes though. and I can think of something else that's upright and makes arbitrary decisions about what it should do next. If you want to arbitrarily decide from my post that I haven't played 'both sides' then I will happily continue to think of you as one.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:02:00 - [244] Edited by: Pithecanthropus on 14/08/2008 16:02:32 Originally by: Dr Slaughter When I started out you couldn't probe down logoffs which was a valid way of leaving the game due to RL. Then probes came in. Best way to 'leave game' due to RL now is cloak. No, the best way is to log at a safe spot without aggro, dock, or sit at a POS. You telling me we all should fit a cloak just to 'leave' the game? You're naive. A cloak is simply too powerful of a module. I don't know if a timer is the fix, maybe it's fuel... but its definitely in line for a change. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Sorolia	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:05:00 - [245] Edited by: Sorolia on 14/08/2008 16:05:45 oops posted with alt... see below
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:08:00 - [246] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses? Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week. For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them. We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging ** for this. CCP do something about this pure ******* Why dont YOU do something about it? Set up a trap. Use your brain, stop running to Mommy, the Government or CCP to solve your problems.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:10:00 - [247] Originally by: Pithecanthropus A cloak is simply too powerful of a module. I don't know if a timer is the fix, maybe it's fuel... but its definitely in line for a change. How about we have cloaked ships just randomly decloak and start spewing sparks?
Chmod Hellscream Demonic Retribution	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:12:00 - [248] I'm currently spending my nice cloaked afk gametime reading the... nice cloaked afk whine thread Want a Cookie?
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:13:00 - [249] Originally by: Chmod Hellscream I'm currently spending my nice cloaked afk gametime reading the... nice cloaked afk whine thread
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:17:00 - [250] Originally by: Drunk Driver Originally by: Pithecanthropus A cloak is simply too powerful of a module. I don't know if a timer is the fix, maybe it's fuel... but its definitely in line for a change. How about we have cloaked ships just randomly decloak and start spewing sparks? How about we have cloaked ships use fuel so you can't sit afk and then go play with your G.I. Joe dolls? --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.

Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:24:00 - [251] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Edited by: Pithecanthropus on 14/08/2008 16:02:32 Originally by: Dr Slaughter When I started out you couldn't probe down logoffs which was a valid way of leaving the game due to RL. Then probes came in. Best way to 'leave game' due to RL now is cloak. No, the best way is to log at a safe spot without aggro, dock, or sit at a POS. You telling me we all should fit a cloak just to 'leave' the game? You're naive. A cloak is simply too powerful of a module. I don't know if a timer is the fix, maybe it's fuel... but its definitely in line for a change. What naive like you expecting me to be in a station system that I can dock at, near a friendly POS, or un-agroed.. just at that precise moment RL calls... When-ever I think there's a chance of RL interfearing in my game time I decide to fly a recon so that I have additional options.
Mojo Lux Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:24:00 - [252] To Haniblecter...Space is a cruel mistress. Adapt or continue to be frustrated. A few tips to help counter the oh-so-ebil Ghostie...rat in pairs, add some anti-gank mods to your ship, try baiting him, or...wait for it...rat in a different system (gasp!). If Ghostie (whom I know well and have flown with many times) is afk cloaking he can't follow you. If he is active you will know because he will follow you and you can act accordingly. The cloaking afk tactic is a mind game and Ghostie has definitely gotten into your brain on this one. He has you hearing things that go bump in the night now - your eve world is filled with fear and doubt (oh noes!). Time for you to adapt and overcome, or go on whining in the cold uncaring void of space. Unfortunately, since you decided to post this thread I can say with certainty that Ghostie will make you his special project. That cloaking red bull fueled fiend will now spend hour upon hour waiting for you. Your post has sealed your fate failbear (insert evil laugh heavy on the reverb)!! There is nothing you can do now young space tadpole...or is there? As the co-founder and chief lobbyist of the Ghostthor Love Donation Movement I encourage you, anyone really, to donate .1 isk each day to that cloaking poo-flinging chimp . I can't promise specific results but it has been known to drive Ghostie absolutely nuts in the past. Just remember to label your .1 isk donation with "Wub Donation" or "Mojo Sent Me" or some such thing. Mojo
Ghostthor Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:25:00 - [253] Originally by: Pithecanthropus How about we have cloaked ships use fuel so you can't sit afk and then go play with your G.I. Joe dolls? I had a GI Joe, his name was Ken. He had this amazing li***uard outfit, it was pretty badass. But sadly I lost him a couple days ago playing in the sandbox. -hOr
Ghostthor Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:28:00 - [254] Originally by: Mojo Lux To Haniblecter...Space is a cruel mistress. Adapt or continue to be frustrated. A few tips to help counter the oh-so-ebil Ghostie...rat in pairs, add some anti-gank mods to your ship, try baiting him, or...wait for it...rat in a different system (gasp!). If Ghostie (whom I know well and have flown with many times) is afk cloaking he can't follow you. If he is active you will know because he will follow you and you can act accordingly. The cloaking afk tactic is a mind game and Ghostie has definitely gotten into your brain on this one. He has you hearing things that go bump in the night now - your eve world is filled with fear and doubt (oh noes!). Time for you to adapt and overcome, or go on whining in the cold uncaring void of space. Unfortunately, since you decided to post this thread I can say with certainty that Ghostie will make you his special project. That cloaking red bull fueled fiend will now spend hour upon hour waiting for you. Your post has sealed your fate failbear (insert evil laugh heavy on the reverb)!! There is nothing you can do now young space tadpole...or is there? As the co-founder and chief lobbyist of the Ghostthor Love Donation Movement I encourage you, anyone really, to donate .1 isk each day to that cloaking poo-flinging chimp . I can't promise specific results but it has been known to drive Ghostie absolutely nuts in the past. Just remember to label your .1 isk donation with "Wub Donation" or "Mojo Sent Me" or some such thing. Mojo Ok seriously... for the last time I handed in my poo-flinging chimp wings a LONG time ago... As I remember correctly about the same time you handed in yours. ... Mojo... I hate you so much... -hOr
Surreptitious State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:48:00 - [255] Why dont you just demand that CCP deposits isk directly into your account weak-ass cry baby. Your bad at videogames. And because your whine was so epic I have already hit the locator agent and will be flying a covy-alt out to afk cloak in your system(s) tonight. I wont even bother spending time trying to gank anyone else but you.
Zachstar	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:53:00 - [256] Saying you ought to be able to permacloak with no interaction because of RL crap is beyond funny... Whats next? Miners get to activate the "Special Shield" that has full resists when they need to take a break? Ah the ole "What about dinner, school, RL" trick... What a silly excuse for being able to go to sleep knowing that you will NEVER be ganked as long as you are online... Sorry, It aint flying, That little "feature" has hopefully been noticed by CCP by now and marked for "correction" .. How do I know this? From the hisec gankers that told me CCP would never end their insanely profitable and unblanced activity because they had some of "right" to risk free kills.. Cant double click to a new direction every 30 mins? Log off.. Cant deal with that? Don't go cloaking in zero sec... Learn to live with the risks of being in hostile territory like the rest of us..
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:56:00 - [257] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Originally by: Drunk Driver Originally by: Pithecanthropus A cloak is simply too powerful of a module. I don't know if a timer is the fix, maybe it's fuel... but its definitely in line for a change. How about we have cloaked ships just randomly decloak and start spewing sparks? How about we have cloaked ships use fuel so you can't sit afk and then go play with your G.I. Joe dolls? Dude, stop thinking about dolls and learn how to deal with cloaking! .
Zachstar	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:56:00 - [258] Originally by: Surreptitious Why dont you just demand that CCP deposits isk directly into your account weak-ass cry baby. Your bad at videogames. And because your whine was so epic I have already hit the locator agent and will be flying a covy-alt out to afk cloak in your system(s) tonight. I wont even bother spending time trying to gank anyone else but you. Where have I heard this before... Let me try to put my finger on it.. AH the hisec pirates attacking those who dared say their risk free activity was unbalanced... Hmm I seem to remember CCP thinking otherwise. They did not buy the "Right to gank" argument and they will not buy this "Right to AFK Cloak" arguement..
Glach Duwat	Posted - 2008.08.14 17:04:00 - [259] Edited by: Glach Duwat on 14/08/2008 17:04:07 What a bunch of whiners. Oddly enough, this complaint would not exist if local was gone, which is something CCP is looking into. No local, you don't know if they is an AFK cloaker or not. Therefore, it changes nothing whether or not they are in local. It would be the same as if they logged off in system. The reason people are complaining is because an AFK cloaker scares, them, so they don't go out ratting or mining because their afraid the Cloaker will warp in and tackle them, or destroy them. This is a reasonable fear, but it's also a cool way to wage war other than blobbing. Economical, and Psychological warfare. You don't like it? Use some tactical thinking for once. I mean, with minimal planning you can set a trap. Try ratting in a BS with a few friends docked in station, or !GASP! a cloaker recon in space with you. You want the benefits, deal with the risks. Period. Or get your arse back to High sec.
Zachstar	Posted - 2008.08.14 17:09:00 - [260] Thats the problem you have no risks... You don't have to organize a roaming gang.. Fit ships wait for stragglers and do communication.. Need I go on? You can't be probed.. You can't be found.. And you call us whiners for exposing you? The simple fact is anything that is risk free and allows you to walk away from you keyboard with almost perfect safety while having an actual effect is wrong... Period.. Same goes for AFK miners... Again I will say that if RL does not give you enough time to do zero sec operations DONT DO IT! If you cant get off your ass to double click in a new direction even.. Don't play EVE..

Zachstar	Posted - 2008.08.14 17:16:00 - [261] The way it needs to be Cloaker spends hours finding a good target to hit jinking now and again to prevent decloaking attempts (The timer) Does this until he gets bored and then either finds a way to escape or log... Thus risk The way it currently is.. Cloaker gets into system.. Builds safespot.. AFKs for half a day.. Gets to live life and when he is good and ready he may come back to eve to get his daily risk free kill or two.. Then AFK to go to sleep.. ONLY risk being during the attack if the enemy is willing to keep cloaked ships around all craft 24/7 which no alliance can reasonably do.. But could do if they were assured that cloaker was actually active... So currently there is next to no reasonable risk.. Call it a whine but dont expect any mercy when you start whining when CCP nerfs the cloaks.. Most are asking for a timer.. But cloaks are so overpowered that I will not be surprised if they added fuel..
Glach Duwat	Posted - 2008.08.14 17:19:00 - [262] Edited by: Glach Duwat on 14/08/2008 17:20:55 Edited by: Glach Duwat on 14/08/2008 17:20:26 Originally by: Zachstar Thats the problem you have no risks... You don't have to organize a roaming gang.. Fit ships wait for stragglers and do communication.. Need I go on? You can't be probed.. You can't be found.. And you call us whiners for exposing you? The simple fact is anything that is risk free and allows you to walk away from you keyboard with almost perfect safety while having an actual effect is wrong... Period.. Same goes for AFK miners... Again I will say that if RL does not give you enough time to do zero sec operations DONT DO IT! If you cant get off your ass to double click in a new direction even.. Don't play EVE.. Originally by: Zachstar The way it needs to be Cloaker spends hours finding a good target to hit jinking now and again to prevent decloaking attempts (The timer) Does this until he gets bored and then either finds a way to escape or log... Thus risk The way it currently is.. Cloaker gets into system.. Builds safespot.. AFKs for half a day.. Gets to live life and when he is good and ready he may come back to eve to get his daily risk free kill or two.. Then AFK to go to sleep.. ONLY risk being during the attack if the enemy is willing to keep cloaked ships around all craft 24/7 which no alliance can reasonably do.. But could do if they were assured that cloaker was actually active... So currently there is next to no reasonable risk.. Call it a whine but dont expect any mercy when you start whining when CCP nerfs the cloaks.. Most are asking for a timer.. But cloaks are so overpowered that I will not be surprised if they added fuel.. Let me ask you this, if there is no local, and I am AFK cloaked, whats the difference between that, and logging off? But lets assume the local nerf doesn't come anytime soon. And no risk? I still have to decloak to attack you, and then I am using a High slot, which gimps DPS a bit, but more so, if I'm not in a recon/cov-ops, I have to decloak to warp, meaning you can see me coming, and secondly, I have to wait for a recalibration time to lock. In a Deep safe spot I am virtually unfindable as well, should we nerf deep safes? Did i mention Recons are paper thin? And with the speed nerf, and the already nerfed RSD's, I'm about to become more vulnerable than ever. In combat the ship is FAAAAR from invulnerable. And so what if you can't find me. I'M CLOAKED. You shouldn't be ABLE to find me. Uggha, freakin pansies. EDIT: oh and your second post. LOL at risk free kills in a recon. Stop posting.
Dwayne Dibly UnderDog Industries Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.08.14 17:23:00 - [263] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses? Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week. For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them. We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging ** for this. CCP do something about this pure ***** New to the game are we? Or just new to 0.0? Or just a pis%ed of ratter or miner that cant do anything due to fear? Set up traps and catch these cnuts or come to the forums and whine ****** Level 5 Mission Database Returns!!**
Zachstar	Posted - 2008.08.14 17:43:00 - [264] Stop posting.. Aint that nice.. The cloakers realizing the potential for changes going to the usual tactics... As for no local, No covops show in local or whatever... I am not CCP so I have no idea what they will do with that. But it is still a gate activation to get in and still a decloak to log off so there is ways to balance that trick.. It is going to be funny when CCP decides for a double whammy by adding fuel requirements.. Like they did with the hisec ganking issue.. Seeing as cloakers seem more willing to viciously defend their unbalanced gameplay than accept small changes meant to reduce AFK activity.. I think it is quite reasonable for CCP to go as far as to add substantial fuel requirements..
Glach Duwat	Posted - 2008.08.14 17:54:00 - [265] Originally by: Zachstar Stop posting.. Aint that nice.. The cloakers realizing the potential for changes going to the usual tactics... As for no local, No covops show in local or whatever... I am not CCP so I have no idea what they will do with that. But it is still a gate activation to get in and still a decloak to log off so there is ways to balance that trick.. It is going to be funny when CCP decides for a double whammy by adding fuel requirements.. Like they did with the hisec ganking issue.. Seeing as cloakers seem more willing to viciously defend their unbalanced gameplay than accept small changes meant to reduce AFK activity.. I think it is quite reasonable for CCP to go as far as to add substantial fuel requirements.. I like you how dodge my points and just keep going. Seriously. It's balanced, just because you want to sit in low sec/0.0 and rat with impunity for hours on end doesn't mean cloaking is "unbalanced." Seriously. Recons cannot "risk free gank" Try ganking a Ratting cruise Typhoon in 0.0 with a solo rapier some time. Or an Arazu. So maybe I could do it in a Vaga, Zealot or Sac? All three of these ships need to de cloak to warp. You can see them coming. and if they are cloaked in the belt waiting for you, then they have a recalibration delay. Even so. If you're going to nerf something, nerf the ships that aren't designed for cloaking, don't nerf cloaking. That's just stupid.
Zachstar	Posted - 2008.08.14 17:59:00 - [266] Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 17:59:51 We did not ask for a cloak nerf we asked for an AFK timer.. Its the inability to accept that small change that will likely end up with yall having to deal with fuel for your cloakers.. But do go on claiming Cloak is balanced.. Im sure CCP will be quite interested in those statements as they were about the hisec gankers having a "right" to kill without risk.. Can't devote the time to double click every 30 mins? Don't cloak in zerosec...Accept your part of the risks of 00 life like everyone else.. If you are dedicated enough.. You will still get lots of kills. Cloaking is way unbalanced and I do feel even a fuel mod is warranted.. However.. For now I think it is reasonable just to ask for an AFK timer and ask for the other major issues be fixed well first..
Glach Duwat	Posted - 2008.08.14 18:14:00 - [267] Originally by: Sarin Adler What they ask is quite reasonable. A clock which requieres the player to click each 15 min or so would be enough for now. It isn't broken, it doesn't need a fix. The timer is stupid. Recons have shit DPS, and for the most part shit tanking ESPECIALLY after the speed nerf, and arazu's already took a hit with the RSD nerf. the Pilgrim got boned from the Nos nerf, the rapier is about to have it's webs nerfed. The Falcon is the only one that isn't totally screwed, but it has shit DPS, and does it's job from ridiculous distance where it can't tackle. Now you want to make them even worse by adding a fuel bay, or making them fruitlessly click in space? uggha. Not necessary. The only thing I Can POSSIBLY understand is the Ganking combat ships need to not be able to perma-cloak. It devalues the recon because it can perma-cloak.
Zachstar	Posted - 2008.08.14 18:19:00 - [268] Originally by: Glach Duwat Edited by: Glach Duwat on 14/08/2008 18:08:28 Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 17:59:51 We did not ask for a cloak nerf we asked for an AFK timer.. Its the inability to accept that small change that will likely end up with yall having to deal with fuel for your cloakers.. But do go on claiming Cloak is balanced.. Im sure CCP will be quite interested in those statements as they were about the hisec gankers having a "right" to kill without risk.. Can't devote the time to double click every 30 mins? Don't cloak in zerosec...Accept your part of the risks of 00 life like everyone else.. If you are dedicated enough.. You will still get lots of kills. Cloaking is way unbalanced and I do feel even a fuel mod is warranted.. However.. For now I think it is reasonable just to ask for an AFK timer and ask for the other major issues be fixed well first.. HOW IS A CLOAKING RECON KILLING WITHOUT RISK?! you know what? you have to be troll. you can't be serious. That's how stupid you sound. And how is making it fuel dependent NOT nerfing it? When I run out of Fuel I'm boned? what about extended trips through low sec, and 0.0. It basically makes Warping cloaked a waste of fuel, and then why bother flying a recon or cov ops? the whole argument is stupid. There is one issue with cloaking, and thats the fact that people don't like hostiles in their system that they can't see. Again I find a simple timer is fine. But I am saying that with the way they are overpowered I would "like" a fuel requirement. Especially seeing as the same attitude as those who saw their hisec risk free profits get exposed is shown here. Its called a middle ground. I would like required fuel but that would require a bigger rebalancing overall.. So the middle ground is an AFK timer.. However if yall just continue to stonewall it. Do not expect any holding back when yall whine when CCP says "Screwit" and goes for fuel requirements to kill bunches of birds with one stone.. Like they did with the double whammy hisec concord changes.
Zachstar	Posted - 2008.08.14 18:20:00 - [269] Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 18:20:31 Originally by: Glach Duwat Originally by: Sarin Adler What they ask is quite reasonable. A clock which requieres the player to click each 15 min or so would be enough for now. It isn't broken, it doesn't need a fix. The timer is stupid. Recons have shit DPS, and for the most part shit tanking ESPECIALLY after the speed nerf, and arazu's already took a hit with the RSD nerf. the Pilgrim got boned from the Nos nerf, the rapier is about to have it's webs nerfed. The Falcon is the only one that isn't totally screwed, but it has shit DPS, and does it's job from ridiculous distance where it can't tackle. Now you want to make them even worse by adding a fuel bay, or making them fruitlessly click in space? uggha. Not necessary. The only thing I Can POSSIBLY understand is the Ganking combat ships need to not be able to perma-cloak. It devalues the recon because it can perma-cloak. Fruitlessly click? You mean double clicking every 15 mins is fruitless when you get a kill? LOL
Po3tank Amarr Basgerin Pirate	Posted - 2008.08.14 18:28:00 - [270] ok if a timer is ever implimentad i think the miners,mission runners,raters,anything that dose not move for 15 mins also will have to click in space cloaking is fine leave it be its the only thing that keeps me flying these damn recons and sb Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal



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