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Jack Airron
Gallente
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:30:00 -
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i think eve ships could pwn startrek ships and stargate ships would pwn eve ships
if you look at just the numbers star trek ships would be looking at a fight of atleast 10 on one if not more.
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The SiNiC
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:32:00 -
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SDF-1 with main Reflex cannon VS a common EvE Blob.
I also agree with the Whitestar from B5.
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Cloora
Black River Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Tyson Gallane
Ha! What about this, from Battletech 3057 Tech Manual:
McKENNA (Battleship)
Introduced : 2652
Mass : 1,930,000 tons
Length : 1,405 metres
Sail Diameter : 1,560 metres
"An unprecedented number and variety of weapons give the design an arsenal that remains impressive even by modern standards. Forty eight Kreuss XX PPCs mounted in the vessel's side and stern provide the bulk of its firepower.
Capable of engaging any targets larger than fighter craft within 400 kilometers, these powerful weapons could cripple or destroy most WarShips of the time with a single volley.
However, the McKenna's massive arsenal also generates an unprecedented amount of heat, necessitating a multitude of coolant circuits. The McKenna's distinctive ventral and dorsal fins form part of this system and increase the area from which the vessel can radiate heat."
It also carries 50 fighters and six DropShips.
This baby can maintain a maximum 2.5G acceleration that allow it to lead assault forces against enemy in-system assets, normally within seven days of arrival in system. It is fitted with a Lithium-Fusion battery system and Kearny-Fuchida jumpdrive that allow it to make interstellar jumps as frequently as TWICE A WEEK if properly charged. 
Experience shows that it will normally miss with half its broadside against a maneuvering target at beyond its optimal range (just over 100km) due to the state of fire-control technology available to it at the time.
Hehee! 
T.
<3 BattleTech. But sadly the technology of the universe was very low comapred to Star Trek, EVE, or Star Wars universe.
But if they made a BattleTech: Online I would sign up in an instant! DropShip combat and then BattleMech combat FTW!
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BamseTheDane
Minmatar
Knights of Chaos
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: BamseTheDane on 12/08/2008 20:48:26
Any Sci-Fi intergalatic ships with shields, would just be oblitorated by Sarum's Abbaddon which works by turning the shield of a ship into a weapon, and destroying the ship in question by imploding its shield into the ship itself(Kewl and ebil stuff btw)
We've all watched the trailer and wanted that ship!! It's obsolete to anything with shields :D
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Roschan
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:49:00 -
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Shadow deathcloud would win hands down.
On a different (EvE Fanboy) note:
Our Rules aply in Our universe.
To make a nice example with the Enterprise/Voyager (other random ST ship):
"1: The Enterprise has phasers and photon torpedos, both with an optimal range of about 15 AU." (From Stitcher, page 2)
--> Welcome to 250km max targeting range.
"Also, star trek ships would fail in any engagement with one ever so slight tactical advantage - they can fire and manouver at warp, pwning us all :(" (From John Mc Duff, page 2)
--> No warping around unless youŠre warping straight towards a celestial Object, you canŠt do anything else until youŠre out of warp.
And before somebody comes up with MWD/high base speed
They have 2 High slots (Phaser/Torpedo) nothing else.
This is my friend, say hello to CCP Nozh  .
Torps have max Range of 30km (to bad you didnŠt train for T2  )
Nice EM/Therm dmg on those Phasers, you see that armor tank laughing? And your tracking is going to get nerfed, just so you wonŠt cry later on.
Teleporters, uhu, never heard of em so, no, you can not use them.
Then again eve ships would just get shredded in every other universe but theirs canŠt be expanded like ours  .
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Kurt Ambrose
Caldari
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:51:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Kurt Ambrose on 12/08/2008 20:51:23
This vs anything else
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Heine Darkblight
Amarr
K Directorate
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:06:00 -
[127]
I would have to go with the Whitestar as a pretty tough ship to take down.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:22:00 -
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"if you look at just the numbers star trek ships would be looking at a fight of atleast 10 on one if not more."
But that wouldn't be a problem as the star trek ships fight at light speeds. As long as the Star Trek ship stay at very easy warp factor 1 the Eve ships cannot target, shoot back, hit or even see the Star Trek ships. The same reason Star Wars ships don't stand a chance. On top of that the Star Trek ships can shoot the Eve ships from a nice safe 15au distance. After all they are used to fighting at above light speeds. They make micowarps interceptors look like snails.
Due to the advance tech lasers and things around that power level don't even dint Star Trek amour let alone shields. Every time lasers ships target star trek ships they laugh at it. Once the command crew even joked according to the old rules they were meant to rise shields but why bother. The target ships couldn't hurt them with lasers.
Star Trek shields are a bit freaky in that they can take unlimited amounts of damage from certain damage types. They fly into a suns cornea at one point without a problem. It doesnt matter how much you hit them, if you hit them with the wrong weapon type the shields dont drop in power.
Then add on all the psychics and stuff in Star Trek and its more of an advantage. Eve has nothing to counter psychics. There is 1 psychic in all the Eve empires and she is unstable, compared that to planets full of them in Star Trek.
"Teleporters, uhu, never heard of em so, no, you can not use them."
What do you use to get cargo out of tins from 2.5kms away? I always thought it was a teleporter.
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Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation
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Broska
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:26:00 -
[129]
Sun Crusher or Eclipse Star Destroyer > all. tbh.
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Securitas Protector
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:44:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Securitas Protector on 12/08/2008 21:44:44
All these might trump individual eve ships, but remember that if you follow only players as pod pilots, you still have something like 200000 possible pod pilots PLUS CONCORD and the Jovians. You would be against the entire Eve universe, which covers over 5000 systems and is filled with POS's at moons. The industrial capacity, put towards one goal, is simply massive. Imagine if all the players in eve worked towards building a single fleet instead of blowing each other up. Then add Concord, the factions, and all the NPC's. Now try beating that. 
Just think of how much DPS would come from a fleet of 200k battleships(admittedly not all players can fly them, but still) and hundreds of doomsdays at once.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:03:00 -
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"You would be against the entire Eve universe, which covers over 5000 systems"
Like they would ever all team up. Perhaps half of them but no all. Even if they did all team up your talking very tiny numbers of systems with a small industrial capacity.
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Telltale sign of their presence is non-linear teleportation
(www.eve-online.com/races/theodicy/Theodicy_All.pdf)
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Brigitte Helm
Minmatar
Flying Fox Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Prof Patpending
Speaking of which herre is the ultimate weapon!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buster_Machine_III
Got a huge rampaging alien menace to destroy in the untold billions? Then compress Jupiter down to about 6 metres across and detonate it in the centre of the galaxy to create a super massive blackhole which in turn causes further black holes to form outward stopping where star masses are less such as the spiral arms where Sol is situated.
Now that ladies and gentlemen is a big bang.
I see your galaxy destruction and raise you one Dalek Crucible.. total destruction of all realities... Overkill I grand you but no more lag
Hug a Carebear, Kill a pirate, squish a Rat, and tickle a dev.
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Skylar Keenan
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:46:00 -
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My vote goes to the Pierson's Puppeteers General Products hull.
Totally impervious to any and all kinetic related damage, all wavelengths of EM except visible light in which case there's a reflective membrane that can be activated to avoid damage. Not to forget the Slaver Stasis Field that WILL keep anything inside the ship alive and well until the stasis field turns off again.
Just stay the frack away from hybrid turrets - Antimatter = big no no :)
Dunno how it would handle a Hawkings M-Sink (Dreaming Void) but it's assumed that the GP Hull could pass the event horizon of a black hole without sustaining damage.
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Calthornia Zelamar
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:57:00 -
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I think EVE's ships would get stomped pretty hard by just about anyone who incorporates any kind of fictional science to propel their ships. A brief Google search yields WH40k ships top about at about .01c, Star Trek's impulse drive is "customarily limited to .25c", at least according to wikipedia, and Star Wars doesn't even seem to attempt to put real numbers on their ships' propulsion. By comparison, a rather fast speed (for EVE, at least) of about 30km/s works out to be roughly .0001c. Seeing as EVE turrets or missiles can't really catch or hit something moving that quickly, or engage something beyond 249km (the blink of an eye to anything moving even 1 order of magnitude faster), even antimatter ammunition would be worthless.
Though, EVE ships don't really handle like they're in a vacuum terribly well. Given the acceleration that we see some ships survive, it's possible that, were the engine designed to handle ships maneuvering and accelerating as in a vacuum, that they'd hit much higher speeds. As it stands, the relatively glacial pace of EVE's ships would make them easy targets for 99% of all other science fiction ships, and the general technology level would mean that they'd be completely unable to stop anyone with a multiple light-hour engagement range (in general) or the power to blow up a star.
Another interesting question is whether or not the people owning any of these ships would be terribly interested in actually fighting EVE's inhabitants. I wouldn't necessarily assume so with the Federation from Star Trek, but the Imperium of Man would probably just roll all over a whole bunch of (to them, anyway) undefended systems.
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Danny Altenburg
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Posted - 2008.08.12 23:06:00 -
[135]
Scooty Puff Junior
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Kalissandra
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Posted - 2008.08.12 23:08:00 -
[136]
All this talk about the trekkies being able to shoot at 15AU during any kind of warp speed and being able to teleport ppl outside of their pods. How do you know the jovians couldn't do better? Besides the eve factions only discovered the jovian's star gates and invented their own from ancient times, jovian tech has come a long way since then i'm sure.
Jovians are well developed mentally too as there was an artical about camera drones on ships and the fact normal ppl couldn't handle the jovian navigational system, it gave them headaches during the first moments of useage, but for jove it was how they had always done it. So you can pretty much bet that Jove have a fair few pshycics where they live.
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Sani Ka
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 23:14:00 -
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ok tbh the tempest fires nuclear rounds as some of its shite ammo, and look how much that sucks compared to amarr... a single apoc could raise cities like no ones business...
tbh eve ships are greater then just about all scifi ships ever....
guess the devs like the biggest epeen.
ohh yeah and tie fighters...... they are worse then a tech 1 hobgoblin.....
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Moon Dogg
Gallente
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.13 00:26:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Kinnison
Ladies and gentlemen, I present two contenders, one from a game and one from a book.
First contender; Tigress Class battleship from the old game Traveller. Hundreds of laser, missile and particle beam batteries, plus a main gun using about 250GW of power, whose energy is deposited inside the target. Plus 300 fighters, each with megaton-range nuclear missiles and a beam laser. Oh, and they consider tactical range to be about a light-second, roughly 300,000 km.
Traveller reference for the WIN baby!
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Chiyeko Kuramochi
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.13 00:57:00 -
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mm ok i go and get my area of expertiese here "star trek" first of eve has 4 races with each different weapons and defence. star trek has more races than we can count from the head so i take two of my fav. the federation and the romulans.
than i take 2 ships of each eve race and 1 of a trek race so xy eve and a trek would mean
x vs a
y vs a
the speed of light = 299 792 458 m / s
star trek ship at full impulse goes 0.25 times the speed of light
raven vs enterprise E (EE)
missle speed aint fat enough by far to do any damge to a federation ship. so this would be easy 1 point for star trek
rokh vs enterprise E
railguns luanch projectile at close to light speed. therefore they will do significant damge against the enterprise. but seeing the enterprise shield systems work with 4 shield sections in the end it would win but surely heavily damaged. 1 point for both as this fight could go both ways.
raven vs romulan warbird (RW)
same story no chance. 1 point trek
rokh vs RW
the RW would win this due the suprise factor it has from cloaking and it huge amout of weapons. and the plasma torpedos are a sort of oversized blaster. 1 point trek
any armour tanker vs EE or RW
instand loss the torpedos from the trek universe would totaly destroy any armour tanked ship as you are talking about 50 isotons explosions here.
and no i can go on and on in the end trek would win. romulans due the fact that they got such a god send amount of weapons and a cloaking device. and federation would simply destroy them with torpedos (and shield tankers with transphasic torps due beeing in a constand time flux they bypass any shield system)
overal star trek is suprior it maybe has lesser amour systems or perhaps less firepower a ship mounted phaser has about 50k km range. but than eve ships aint realistic at all. that railgun charge would move on forever due no friction. that laser would be able to abtain much further range. and more.
now the final bit:
you cannot compare different sfi universes as they all use different laws and different way to develop technology and a totaly different way to explain even a god dam laser :D
so give it up (i know you wont) live the eve universe or the trek universe (3 years for star trek online and it looks way better no cryptic got it no more pure cartoon bad looking) and the star wars universe or lord of the rings. just don't mix or compare them it is impossible.
(now i want sleep it is freaking 3 am in the morning)
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Xap Starfire
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Posted - 2008.08.13 01:04:00 -
[140]
As long as we're comparing EVE to sci-fi ships, how about comparing it to actual space ships? Notably, the space shuttle and space ship one, both of which are available as add-ons for X-Plane and MS Flight Simulator...
Haven't tried SS1 yet, but I noticed a few things about the shuttle...
It's unbelievably fast in the horizontal direction...so fast in fact, that it's completely unflyable in the atmosphere, since the slightest touch of the controls spins the g-meter around to lethal levels...(needs smaller wings!)
It's also very heavy with MAAAD acceleration and an unreasonable top speed in the atmosphere...
Unfortinuately X-Plane only simulates the atmosphere...anyone got tabs on a better space ship simulator?
I personally wrote a neat 3D solar system game with actual newtonian physics...and yeah, it's a pain going anywhere but it was pretty neat...of course, you can hit 3*10^8 m/s pretty fast with "get to the moon in less than 15 minutes" kind of thrust, not sure what happens then from a practical perspective...
Then again, assuming there's little to no friction in space at 3*10^8 m/s, why the heck can't you just smoothly accelerate through the speed of light, sort of like how you can with sound?
Also from various jet and old fashioned flight combat simulators, I've noticed, well, a lot of things...most particularly is that its all about bigger guns, faster engines, and more range...(from the bigger guns)...having nice big wings for better control is helpful too...
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JordanParey
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.08.13 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: JordanParey on 13/08/2008 01:31:51
Originally by: Leviathan9
Edited by: Leviathan9 on 12/08/2008 19:50:12
The Normandy could pwn any cruiser. (From Mass Effect btw)
Though speaking of ME, Sovereign. That ship would pwn a fleet of bs's.....
Mass Effect was a great game. Props.
the Sovereign would be a dreadnought, or maybe a ship with a really wicked tank ability, like the Golem, since it took the whole Alliance fleet to take it down.
EDIT: I think the Planetary Express from Futurama would pwn all internets spaceships.
The aliens from the Simpsons might also be pretty good at beaming doom towards another ship.
I don't remember what the name of the ship was that the Council was on in that game, but I think that it would be a titan for sure.
I think that a fight between the Serenity ship (from the movie Serenity) would be an even match for a Stabber. =P
Rifter vs. X-Wing would be sweet.
Dramiel vs TIE fighter would be pretty cool.
Falcon vs. Millenium falcon would also be nice.
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Darkmist Starpain
The Serpent Isle
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Posted - 2008.08.13 01:35:00 -
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Nova class dreadnought > Anything in EVE.
Omega class destroyer > Nova class dreadnought / Star Wars / Star Trek mumbo jumbos.
Yes I do love Babylon 5. How'd you know that?
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Celesphira
Archangels Assault Force
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2008.08.13 01:52:00 -
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Hiigarran Marine Frigate.
Fast, small, and ships in EVE cannot hit ships at 0m with guns. Has a fast tracking dorsal turret to take out any drone support.
Boy, that'd make piracy so much easier.
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Deetya
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.13 02:04:00 -
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Well..... Flash Gordon + hawkman rocketcycle + 500 hawkmen lead by Brian Blessed = W1N 
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Vikarion
Caldari
BLACK 0RIGIN
Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.13 04:00:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Chiyeko Kuramochi
instand loss the torpedos from the trek universe would totaly destroy any armour tanked ship as you are talking about 50 isotons explosions here.
And this, class, is the perfect example of why these kind of "calculations" are just so painfully stupid. Page after page of idiots trading technobabble nonsense without any clue what they're actually saying.
Do you know what "isoton" even means? Here's a hint: the prefix "iso-" means "same". Yep, that means "isoton" is just a pointlessly complicated way of saying "ton" (clearly the Star Trek producers are counting on an ignorant audience that's easily impressed by scientific-sounding nonsense).
So yeah, those incredibly awesome torpedoes? Just a little bit behind 1950s technology.
Wrong. In Star Trek, an isoton is a completely different unit of measure. From the Star Trek Wiki:
54 isoton explosion can blow up a small planet
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.13 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 13/08/2008 04:16:39
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Chiyeko Kuramochi
instand loss the torpedos from the trek universe would totaly destroy any armour tanked ship as you are talking about 50 isotons explosions here.
And this, class, is the perfect example of why these kind of "calculations" are just so painfully stupid. Page after page of idiots trading technobabble nonsense without any clue what they're actually saying.
Do you know what "isoton" even means? Here's a hint: the prefix "iso-" means "same". Yep, that means "isoton" is just a pointlessly complicated way of saying "ton" (clearly the Star Trek producers are counting on an ignorant audience that's easily impressed by scientific-sounding nonsense).
So yeah, those incredibly awesome torpedoes? Just a little bit behind 1950s technology.
Wrong. In Star Trek, an isoton is a completely different unit of measure. From the Star Trek Wiki:
54 isoton explosion can blow up a small planet
Yes, I realize the writers of Star Trek are a bunch of ****ing idiots when it comes to science. The only thing worse than the idiot writers are the idiot fanboys who are actually impressed by that nonsense... at least the writers are getting paid.
Of course by your reasoning, an Imparior would trash the Enterprise. While the Enterprise may be "immune to lasers", in the Star Trek universe, a "laser" is a steam-powered rotting fruit launcher, so that doesn't say very much about its defenses. EVE lasers, on the other hand, are something entirely different, and one shot from that civilian mining laser would blow up the entire Star Trek galaxy, Enterprise included.
This of course just reinforces the point I'm trying to make: five pages of pathetic fanboys throwing around meaningless technobabble is just hillarious.
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Meili Liu
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Posted - 2008.08.13 04:56:00 -
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Assuming that there's a logical way to split EVE's weapons up between the two polarities of energy that dictate the physics of its native universe, my personal choice would be the Ikaruga (or its sister ship the Ginkei). Mm, tasty retro-gaming bullet hell.
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Rn Bonnet
Free Collective
The OSS
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Posted - 2008.08.13 04:56:00 -
[148]
Most of the universes mentioned would not have a passing chance at many of the SciFi cultures from books. Consider Ian M. Banks "[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture]The Culture[/url]".
The GSV's of the culture can be near 200km, but what is important is they are Von Neuman machines with advanced nano tech. They could literally turn the entire mass of a solar system into fighting ships controlled by a Mind (an entity literally so intelligent as to be incomprehensible).
Or consider the Revelation Space series by Reynolds:
Hypometric weapon
"The hypometric weapon is a fictional weapon, manufactured using technology acquired from the huge reservoir of alien knowledge stored inside an enormous distributed computer system disguised as neutron stars and (possibly) other astronomical objects. Hypometric weaponry is said to be highly advanced, usually discovered only by races after one or two million years of spacefaring civilization.
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This is possibly due to the ambient spacetime irregularities generated by the weapon's operation. The weapon appears to simply eliminate areas of space from existence (or, as is implied, transport them to somewhere else), leaving gaping holes in whatever it is attacking."
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 05:04:00 -
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Wouldn't "vs not eve related stuff" be the definition of "not eve discussion" 
In other words, wrong forum?
while your falcon pilot warps off in a pod, baffled at why his FC Borat can't learn to not pyramid-quote.
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Jack Airron
Gallente
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.08.13 05:47:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Atsuko Ratu
Wouldn't "vs not eve related stuff" be the definition of "not eve discussion"
In other words, wrong forum?
"EVE vs none eve ships" therefore your argument is invalid.
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