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AltimusPrime
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Posted - 2008.08.18 15:53:00 -
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Swarm of crucifiers with t2 tracking distrupters nuke all,
yes including that Super Star Destroyer of everyones
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Pharaik
Amarr CCCP INC
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Posted - 2008.08.18 16:38:00 -
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Borg wins, one shot any they assimilate your weapon fire, beam aboard assimilate your whole crue.
So if it was eve vs all of star trek, trek would win unfortunatly.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.18 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Haradgrim on 18/08/2008 17:54:06
Originally by: Pharaik Borg wins, one shot any they assimilate your weapon fire, beam aboard assimilate your whole crue.
So if it was eve vs all of star trek, trek would win unfortunatly.
I wonder if the borg could adapt to the Aurora Ominae?
Also; Species 8472"The Weak Shall Perish" --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Baron Primus
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Posted - 2008.08.18 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Forluhn They rebuilt and plugged that hole
Thats what SHE SAID
The whole candle/wax play didnt go according to plan. My sig sucks. |
Falco Peregrenus
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Posted - 2008.08.18 19:08:00 -
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Honestly Sci Fi hasn't really come up with an equal ship to the Enterprise, or starfleet really. THey don't rely on ammo based weapons, their shields are far superior to anything EVE has, not to mention their advanced sensor arrays capable of finding ships in warp. The other universes that may be comparable, technology wise to EVE would be battlestar galactica and star wars. |
ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.18 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Prasolita .....I wish EVE ships had the variety that Star Control II had for their ships..... .....
best game. ever. Confirming this.
Probably the most enjoyable game I ever played... If you had a joystick so that you could properly play melee mode with a friend (as too many simultaneous keypresses caused conflicts on old keyboards), you had the chance to -imho- play the very best player vs player game, at least for the PC, for years to come. (we're talking what, 1992 here?)
Remembering this makes me a happy... camper |
Honest Nonlabor
Amarr Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.08.18 19:57:00 -
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I think the closest you're going to come to EvE ships in other Sci_Fi is going to be Warhammer 40K ships. Most of them actually dwarf the size of even a titan, and 90% rely on absolutely staggering buffer tanks. Think not 1600mm plates but 100 METER thick plates for starters, as well as an array of weapons from energy weapons to particle cannons to good ole solid slug weapons., Their tracking systems are also slow it seems usually, and most of them seem to maneuver like a plated raven even in the best conditions. |
Lenori Kallis
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Posted - 2008.08.18 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lenori Kallis on 18/08/2008 20:20:29 The Monolith. Omni-powerful. But - B5 is on par with Eve. I think it would be a great match-up. |
Mashie Saldana
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.18 20:50:00 -
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They have some decent weapon tech in Greg Bear's Anvil of stars. I would like to see a ship that can defend against having half of it's hull converted to antimatter :D Also good luck tracking their fighters accellerating at 4000g. |
Jack Airron
Gallente Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.08.19 01:07:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Falco Peregrenus Honestly Sci Fi hasn't really come up with an equal ship to the Enterprise, or starfleet really. THey don't rely on ammo based weapons, their shields are far superior to anything EVE has, not to mention their advanced sensor arrays capable of finding ships in warp. The other universes that may be comparable, technology wise to EVE would be battlestar galactica and star wars.
wrong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7huzlzMEsn0
Stargate ships could pwn any star trek ships |
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Shinta Kobi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.19 12:34:00 -
[221]
Borg vs. Sansha... |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.19 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 19/08/2008 13:34:24 "Stargate ships could pwn any star trek ships" Stargate ships suffer from the same problem many do against Star Trek. Stargate ships fight at sub light speeds at short range. Star Trek ships fight at over light speeds at silly long range's. All a Star Trek ship needs to do is warp in circles and fire and the Stargate ship cannot do much to fight back.
As long as Star Trek ships stay in warp and fight they are pretty much invincible against many other ships.
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Jack Airron
Gallente Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.08.19 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Airron on 19/08/2008 20:17:54
Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 19/08/2008 13:37:57 "Stargate ships could pwn any star trek ships" Stargate ships suffer from the same problem many do against Star Trek. Stargate ships fight at sub light speeds at short range. Star Trek ships fight at over light speeds at silly long range's. All a Star Trek ship needs to do is warp in circles and fire and the Stargate ship cannot do much to fight back.
As long as Star Trek ships stay in warp and fight they are pretty much invincible against many other ships.
I wouldn't want to bet on who would win at sub light speeds. Stargate ships have advance 1000's if not 10,000's of years in tech in a 2 or 4 years time frame. Stargate ship warp speeds in Star Trek must be the same as warp 9.999999999 or something crasy fast like that.
Stargate ships use hyper drives that allow them to cross galaxy's in a few days to 1 week
and go to different galaxy's in less then 3 weeks
so its quite a bit faster then star trek ships witch haven't even gone out of a small quadrant of the milky way. and star gate ships can track ships in warp speeds as seen in THE RETURN, PART 1
(The Atlantis expedition is stunned to learn that a ship full of Ancients is returning to reclaim their lost city.) the ancients ships hyper drive was damaged beyond repair but they where able to make modification's to there sub light drive and they where slow boating from the Pegasus galaxy to the milky way. the ancients where not even out of there own galaxy yet after 10,000 years.
because time slows down as you reach the speed of light, only a few mouths had passed for the ancients. the earth ship Daedalus was able to jump ahead of them and get a lock to scan the ship.
if they got a lock they could of fired. earth ships have been retrofitted with one of the most powerful beam weapons ever in a scifi show, it makes phasers look like pop guns. they could cut trough a star trek ship in 2-3 hits |
Moonbat Kain
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Posted - 2008.08.19 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 19/08/2008 13:37:57 "Stargate ships could pwn any star trek ships" Stargate ships suffer from the same problem many do against Star Trek. Stargate ships fight at sub light speeds at short range. Star Trek ships fight at over light speeds at silly long range's. All a Star Trek ship needs to do is warp in circles and fire and the Stargate ship cannot do much to fight back.
As long as Star Trek ships stay in warp and fight they are pretty much invincible against many other ships.
I wouldn't want to bet on who would win at sub light speeds. Stargate ships have advance 1000's if not 10,000's of years in tech in a 2 or 4 years time frame. Stargate ship warp speeds in Star Trek must be the same as warp 9.999999999 or something crasy fast like that.
#1 Only torpedoes work at FTL speeds. They have a micro warp drives that allows them to REMAIN at warp speeds after being fired from a ship already moving at warp. Phasers are STL ONLY! #2 Faster than light; no left or right. Star Trek ships can only warp in a strait line and need to drop our of warp to change directions. #3 Star Trek ships' shields have some serious flaws and weakness as demonstrated during the Dominion War. There is ALWAYS leak through with their shields and their toughest ships mount Ablative Armor.
Everyone who posted in this thread seriously disappointed me. only ONE person mentioned David Webber's Honorverse novels.
You all play a sci-fi space game and almost all of you don't know about the Royal Manticorian Navy?! You play Eve but have never read any of David Webber's books?
Go pick up "On Basilisk Station" (1st book in Honor Harrington series) and read the whole series. One thing you'll find is that Eve borrows heavily from this series. I guarantee you most the game devs/designers are David Webber fans. |
Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.19 22:18:00 -
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EVE vs
Beserker ships. (fred saberhagen) Beserker ships use FTL weapons (c+ cannon) and operate in a nearly Newtonian world (real physics) One side story included "right angle shields". A shield system which deflects anything that touches it at right angles to reality. (dispelling the "thing" from the universe for all intents and purposes). The shield can only be breached by FTL weapons.
Independance war: (if you don't know what this is, you fail as a space nerd) All I have to say is CNV-301 Dreadnaught. Antimatter stream emitters, Rapid fire neutron PBC (cannons) and a shield system unique to this universe. The shield acts like a right angle shield, except it only covers a small part of the ship at any given time... it has to track incoming fire and block it like point defense. More incoming fire than you have shield generators? You in deep shit.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.08.19 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 19/08/2008 22:35:50
Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 12/08/2008 17:11:00 Eve ships wouldn't hurt Star Trek ships for a lot of reasons. lasers don't even hurt Federation ships with the shields down let alone up. Federation ships could just stay in warp and go in circles around Eve ships and be invisible, while firing outside the range of Eve ships scanners and weapons . This is the same reason Star wars ships don't stand a chance they cannot see or fire back. Federation ships fight at above light speed at range's eve ships can only dream off. Eve ships fight at under 1km/s
Federation ships can shoot cloaked Eve ships with psi crew members on the target button. In fact I bet a Federation shuttle could beat an Eve battleship. Federation ships could transport crew, ammo, fuel whatever out of Eve ships with shields down from 20km+ away. Or transport bombs inside. Amour tank ships don't stand a chance.
If the Eve ships somehow almost won, a crew member on the Federation would come out with some random techno mumbojumbo and the Eve should would power down then implode.
Federation ships could warp in, blow gates up, warp out, wait a month for to system to fall to bits then warp in. Just no telling when or where they will come from due to no gates needed.
Ahahahahah you're one of those people.... Yes due to that one 'Riker' comment made in one episode, the 'immune to lasers' myth springs up. Well if that were the case then getting too close to a star wouldn't be a problem, oh wait hang on, solar radiation always pops up as a problem for Ent-D funny that eh?
As to the rest, typical no-limits fallacy that appears in these sort of debates (e.g. transporters are always having trouble with dense materials, what are typical armour plates made of? thick layers of tungsten e.t.c e.t.c).... |
Sajuuk Preator
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.19 22:38:00 -
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I normally wouldn't chip in, but this thread is too long.
See here http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/wmd/wmd.html for details
It basically takes the facts and figures from "canon" materials such as published books and the starwars website and compares them.
The figures basically show that an x-wings sheilds use more energy than the NC-1701-D generates in its warp core.
This pretty much shows that an asleep TIE fighter pilot could blow up most of the Federaton Fleet without any effort at all, along with that an abandoned but still powered B-wing could passively tank the Romulan Fleet.
HOWEVER - It'd be up to someone else to work out where eve ships fit into this category along with powe outputs and so on. Given that EVE ships use mbits for drone bandwidth however I'd expect a star trek shuttle pilot could simply slowboat and ram all of the eve universe ships to death, with the (possible) exceptions of the Jovians.
TL;DR
Where star trek has guns that do megawatts of energy, starwars is in yotawatts.
Starwars ships are so overpowered that you'd have to use ships from Larry Nivens "Ringworld" just to survive the 1st hit
Just my 0.2 isk anyway, feel free to prove me wrong etc. |
Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.08.19 22:45:00 -
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^ pretty much. The weapons on Slave-1, a simple bounty hunting ship range from several KT per shot, to hundreds of MT per missile, to several thousands of MT per mine.
And that's an oversized fighter
But alas someone said...
Quote: Culture
*Yawn*
(Culture ship vs a fleet of pretty much anything else = flash lasting 1 microsecond, followed by no more fleet...)
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Jack Airron
Gallente Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.08.20 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sajuuk Preator I normally wouldn't chip in, but this thread is too long.
See here http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/wmd/wmd.html for details
It basically takes the facts and figures from "canon" materials such as published books and the starwars website and compares them.
The figures basically show that an x-wings sheilds use more energy than the NC-1701-D generates in its warp core.
This pretty much shows that an asleep TIE fighter pilot could blow up most of the Federaton Fleet without any effort at all, along with that an abandoned but still powered B-wing could passively tank the Romulan Fleet.
HOWEVER - It'd be up to someone else to work out where eve ships fit into this category along with powe outputs and so on. Given that EVE ships use mbits for drone bandwidth however I'd expect a star trek shuttle pilot could simply slowboat and ram all of the eve universe ships to death, with the (possible) exceptions of the Jovians.
TL;DR
Where star trek has guns that do megawatts of energy, starwars is in yotawatts.
Starwars ships are so overpowered that you'd have to use ships from Larry Nivens "Ringworld" just to survive the 1st hit
Just my 0.2 isk anyway, feel free to prove me wrong etc.
In Voyager's "Scientific Method," it is stated that a strong proton burst would bring the shields down on Voyager.
KELLIN: "Our weapons are proton-based particle beams--very tightly focused."
HARRY: "It's like being hit with thousands of needles."
KELLIN: "They can penetrate any shield even if the modulations are changed,"
It is also stated in "Unforgettable" that shields are susceptible to particle weaponry.
that means all a eve ship would have to do is catch a star trek ship off guard and put a few rail gun rounds in it or auto cannon/arty.
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Jack Airron
Gallente Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.08.20 03:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Airron on 20/08/2008 03:25:38
Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 19/08/2008 13:37:57 "Stargate ships could pwn any star trek ships" Stargate ships suffer from the same problem many do against Star Trek. Stargate ships fight at sub light speeds at short range. Star Trek ships fight at over light speeds at silly long range's. All a Star Trek ship needs to do is warp in circles and fire and the Stargate ship cannot do much to fight back.
As long as Star Trek ships stay in warp and fight they are pretty much invincible against many other ships.
I wouldn't want to bet on who would win at sub light speeds. Stargate ships have advance 1000's if not 10,000's of years in tech in a 2 or 4 years time frame. Stargate ship warp speeds in Star Trek must be the same as warp 9.999999999 or something crasy fast like that.
star trek ships move at a speed below 300,000,000m/s with is about 300kms maby im missing a zero idk. but Stargate ships max sublight speed is over 110,000 Miles per second. that is about 1/2ish the speed of a galaxy class. star trek ships cant "warp in circles"
they would have to fight at sub light speed. that would give the Stargate ships a chance to fire. star trek ships are quite vulnerable to particle beam weapons, and since the earth ships in Stargate use ion particle beam weapons they could take a startrek ship out in a few shots.
even eve lasers could take a galaxey class ship out.
Dont give me this bull shit about how they are immune to lasers as stated in a link,
some one posted, a ship in star trek hit the enterprise with a laser after picard gave the order for "forward shields to max" even with shields to max. the laser blast still rocked the enterprise, maby only a little bit, star wars ships use turbo laser cannons that are over one billion times more powerful then that blast. who's to say eve lasers cant take one down, they may not be as powerful as the star wars ships but they would put up a fight. |
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Jade Imp
Caldari Adelaid-Sajic Solutions Inc. Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.20 04:45:00 -
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what about Xenosaga with the DSmmerung, or the Warhammer 40k universe... of course you would always come across the biggest hitch with these types of threads and honestly, the reason i dislike them.... matching up the universes is close to impossible. getting enough equivalancy between defencive and offencive systems in these universes is not something that is easy to do nor is it something that has been set in stone.
personally i think the warhammer 40k universe of ships would outclass the eve ones. |
Kiviar
Caldari Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.20 04:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kiviar on 20/08/2008 04:53:43 The Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan would win. Its kind of unfair however, since its several times larger than a galaxy, indestructable, and operates outside any physical laws... or rationality.
This thread made me break out the old SRW for hilarious crossover fun |
Vilius Naseum
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Posted - 2008.08.20 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Vilius Naseum on 20/08/2008 05:29:07 lots of different games and books out there. Wonder how old some of them are? |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.20 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 20/08/2008 10:21:43 "star trek ships cant "warp in circles" they would have to fight at sub light speed." Why? I have seen them fight at warp speeds before and turn in warp lots of time. They never drop out of warp to change course or direction. Why can they not warp in circles and fire like they do on the show? I am 100% sure the Voyager fires weapons at above warp speed. I have no doubt that at sub light speeds Stargate ships would stand a very good chance at beating Star Trek ships. It's very clear star trek ships can interact with objects while they are in warp unlike pretty much eveyone else.
" Dont give me this bull shit about how they are immune to lasers as stated in a link, some one posted, a ship in star trek hit the enterprise with a laser after picard gave the order for "forward shields to max" even with shields to max. the laser blast still rocked the enterprise, maby only a little bit," They raised shields because the directive they follow says they have to put shields up even when lasers are shooting but its old. Picard joked to Riker about not needing to rise shields and the rules are outdated. Yes the ships shakes but it takes zero damage.
Star Trek lore has always been strange in that certain types of energy do no harm to shields. The borg take it to an extreme after a few shots a weapon does zero damage. But the Enterprise does it for lasers and other old style weapons. Another ship did it when flying into the sun corna. How much energy was that putting out? It did zero damage because of the shields which could take unlimited amount of that type of energy.
" star wars ships use turbo laser cannons that are over one billion times more powerful then that blast. who's to say eve lasers cant take one down, they may not be as powerful as the star wars ships but they would put up a fight." Again it's the crazy way Star Trek works, it doesn't matte if they are billion times more powerful they are still lasers so they don't do any harm. It might shake the ship but it won't penetrate the nav shields let along the real shields. Underneath the real shields are nav shields I think they called it that, anyway whatever its name its stops all forms of lasers even when the mains shields are down. Federation ships have a special defence against lasers which are independent from the main shields.
EDIT: It was the Navigational deflector which stoped the lasers. It deflects space debris, asteroids, microscopic particles, lasers and primitive projectile weapons making the ship immune from those. Miranda-, Constellation- and Soyuz-classes of ships dont have this defence.
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Logoth
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.20 12:26:00 -
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Well i can think of a couple of things that might give a decent fight to ships in eve.
Sathanas class juggernaut (From Freespace 2) Black Stone Fortress (From Warhammer 40k) Mar'gog World Ship (From Andromeda) And my personal fav, The Shadow Death Cloud (From Babylon 5, if you didn't know)
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.20 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 20/08/2008 10:21:43 "star trek ships cant "warp in circles" they would have to fight at sub light speed." Why? I have seen them fight at warp speeds before and turn in warp lots of time. They never drop out of warp to change course or direction. Why can they not warp in circles and fire like they do on the show? I am 100% sure the Voyager fires weapons at above warp speed. I have no doubt that at sub light speeds Stargate ships would stand a very good chance at beating Star Trek ships. It's very clear star trek ships can interact with objects while they are in warp unlike pretty much eveyone else.
" Dont give me this bull shit about how they are immune to lasers as stated in a link, some one posted, a ship in star trek hit the enterprise with a laser after picard gave the order for "forward shields to max" even with shields to max. the laser blast still rocked the enterprise, maby only a little bit," They raised shields because the directive they follow says they have to put shields up even when lasers are shooting but its old. Picard joked to Riker about not needing to rise shields and the rules are outdated. Yes the ships shakes but it takes zero damage.
Star Trek lore has always been strange in that certain types of energy do no harm to shields. The borg take it to an extreme after a few shots a weapon does zero damage. But the Enterprise does it for lasers and other old style weapons. Another ship did it when flying into the sun corna. How much energy was that putting out? It did zero damage because of the shields which could take unlimited amount of that type of energy.
" star wars ships use turbo laser cannons that are over one billion times more powerful then that blast. who's to say eve lasers cant take one down, they may not be as powerful as the star wars ships but they would put up a fight." Again it's the crazy way Star Trek works, it doesn't matte if they are billion times more powerful they are still lasers so they don't do any harm. It might shake the ship but it won't penetrate the nav shields let along the real shields. Underneath the real shields are nav shields I think they called it that, anyway whatever its name its stops all forms of lasers even when the mains shields are down. Federation ships have a special defence against lasers which are independent from the main shields.
EDIT: It was the Navigational deflector which stoped the lasers. It deflects space debris, asteroids, microscopic particles, lasers and primitive projectile weapons making the ship immune from those. Miranda-, Constellation- and Soyuz-classes of ships dont have this defence.
The problem with your points is that they all rely on laws of physics that vary from one IP to another. Using the example of "firing in warp" when one ship is unable to do so due to restrictions of the laws of physics in their universe is pretty dumb because it means your assuming that the potential battle is taking place where "everything is allowed."
That said, individual universes vary greatly in their own rules; the Enterprises immunity to lasers is a good example, the manuevering capabilities of ships in Star Wars is another...
On the other hand, to refute your "firing in warp" point; Star Trek ships cannot keep their shields up while at warp, and it's rediculous to believe that any weapon system could track a target in normal space time while that ship is at warp |
Alexandra Silverscream
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:35:00 -
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Aberrant's Planck Scaling.
I know it is not space ships, but they did fight in space as well as Earth. Nothing beats Planck Scaling.
Also, Dune. By the time the Ixians invented their No-Ships space warfare simply became a moot point. You want war? We'll just fold space and bypass any fleet, obliterating any target directly. |
Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.08.20 15:51:00 -
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Pottsey that's a blatent 'no limits fallacy' and proven untrue in other ST episodes when Solar radiation is a threat ('relics', could survive about 3 hours of the stars radiation).
I don't have the time or inclination to go through the rest of it, but what you are spouting is the same old stuff that's shot down time and again since the whole 'vs. debates' started. A Good site & forums which took centre place in these sorts of 'debates' in the last few years, maybe you should take some of your 'theories' there...
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar Assisted Suicide Mercenaries
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Posted - 2008.08.20 18:18:00 -
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The most powerful ship ever designed was the Suncrusher from the Jedi academy series of books.
BEHOLD!
Considering this ship can't be destroyed and it's got the firepower to make entire solars systems implode. I seriously don't think it can be beaten. Only thing that comes close is Lexx |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.08.20 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 20/08/2008 22:41:06 "and it's rediculous to believe that any weapon system could track a target in normal space time while that ship is at warp" According to the technical manual your wrong. Federation ships and torpedoes have FTL sensors and computers that process at FTL speeds page 129. During the show there have been times where a torpedo was fired from impulse then went to warp and fired from warp e.c.t. New ships like the Voyager and even the real old ships like the Enterprise NX-01 have fired weapons while at warp.
A federation ships can shoot torpedoes at targets with the torpedoes at warp speed. The kinetic damage alone from the speed is enough to take out most ships from none Star Trek universe's. So I stand by what I said Star Trek could just shoot stargate and star wars ships from warp speed.
EDIT: There have been times where torpedoes where shot from 600 million km away and all hit there target. This is the reason Star Trek ships outrange most other ships, they can sit lightyears away and fire at you.
"The problem with your points is that they all rely on laws of physics that vary from one IP to another." I assume if a ship can do something in the Star Trek or Eve universe then that ship can do it in the other universe if it somehow crossed over. Otherwise it becomes impossible to really compare. That or any ship crossing over to another universe would stop working right away as the laws of physics its tech is based on no longer apply along with the fual and ammo problems. reactors shut down, life support goes off e.c.t
I also assume tech with the same name between universes is really the same. for example I assume lasers are the same and not different weapons with the same name between universes. Same for railguns and other weapons. They might work a little differently due to laws of physics change's but they are still the same weapon. Unless its very clear they are not the same.
"On the other hand, to refute your "firing in warp" point; Star Trek ships cannot keep their shields up while at warp," What since when? Are you thinking of cloaking that lowers shields. Warp doesn't as far as I recall. Then again it has been years since I watched Voyager. Got any links that say shields drop? With the amounts of fights at warp speeds I dont bealive shields go down.
" but what you are spouting is the same old stuff that's shot down time and again since the whole 'vs. debates' started. A Good site & forums which took centre place in these sorts of 'debates' in the last few years," At a glance I don't see my bits being shot down. I see them ignore things like deflecting lasers in the Star Wars vs Star Trek in Five Minutes on the front page. But it's a big site, could you link to bits that shout my ideas down? I quickly looked on the forum and found some people talking about lasers and tuber lasers being deflected. No one shot that idea down. Didn't see anything talking about fighting at warp speed.
"Pottsey that's a blatent 'no limits fallacy' and proven untrue in other ST episodes when Solar radiation is a threat" That's because the Enterprise wasn't the ship with the adjusted shields so Solar radiation is a threat. At least I don't think it was the Enterprise pretty sure it was a test ship. Been over 10 years since I watched that episode.
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