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CCP Taera	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:23:00 - [1] In the next few weeks our forum will undergo the same refining process that turns Veldspar into Tritanium. These changes will bring new additions, subtractions, mergers and more; you can read all about it in my first dev blog, Forums Refined. We hope these changes make it easier to use, browse, and enjoy our forum. Taera Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email

Hel O'Ween Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:36:00 - [2] Quote: And finally, several of our forums make their way to the forum graveyard. All readers please take a moment of silence for [...] EVE Technology Lab. OK, which other forum should be used for API related questions from that point on? EVE Tech Lab was the de facto EVE API forum. None of the remaining forums do seem to be appropriated for API questions (judging from their descriptions). -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager
Wrayeth Trans Eve Organization	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:39:00 - [3] Looks good. It'll be interesting to see how it will affect discussion. I know, at the very least, that it will stop all the CAOD whining about FW topics. Oh, and it will be interesting to see what happens when Dark Shikari returns and tries to figure out where things are. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Kethry Avenger Krell-Korp	Posted - 2008.08.12 16:51:00 - [4] So just reshuffling, no real new features...
Alz Shado Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:03:00 - [5] One day, even the forum pictures will work as advertised. (lols @ CCP Taera's !) //// ---------=== []= ---------=== \\\\ Rifter(RedBad) "Kill a man one is a murderer; kill a million, a conqueror; kill them all, a God." -- Jean Rostand
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:07:00 - [6] Originally by: CCP Taera the same refining process that turns Veldspar into Tritanium Hopefully not the exact same process. Turning Veldspar into Tritanium always results in loss of Tritanium, regardless of how good the facilities are, or how mad the skills. It would be nice if you guys re-organize the Information Portal forum: between the stickyfied posts and the posts with lots of replies and on-going discussion, it's difficult to find the new announcements or figure out what's new and what's old news. It would be nice if that forum got sorted by the date of the original (dev) post, rather than the date of the last (player) reply, but that's probably not possible.
Cesar Malari Gunfleet Logistics	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Hel O'Ween Quote: And finally, several of our forums make their way to the forum graveyard. All readers please take a moment of silence for [...] EVE Technology Lab. OK, which other forum should be used for API related questions from that point on? EVE Tech Lab was the de facto EVE API forum. None of the remaining forums do seem to be appropriated for API questions (judging from their descriptions). Also for data dump questions and the like. "EVE Technology Lab" has basically become the hangout for all of us "third-party developers" to hang out and swap ideas on using the API, data dumps, and occasionally the cache to do cool things.
Adrielle Firewalker Minmatar WASTELAND MINERS Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:18:00 - [8] Quote: And finally, several of our forums make their way to the forum graveyard. All readers please take a moment of silence for [...] EVE Technology Lab. That was the most useful forum section you had! ================ ~Adrielle Original MinmatarT
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:25:00 - [9] Originally by: CCP Taera And finally, several of our forums make their way to the forum graveyard. All readers please take a moment of silence for EveTV and the PvP Championships.... Should we take this as an indication that EVE TV and the Championship tournaments have been discontinued? This is a very active section when the tournament is on, and there really is no other section on your new list that is suitable.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Salvis Tallan Gallente The Shadow Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Hel O'Ween Quote: And finally, several of our forums make their way to the forum graveyard. All readers please take a moment of silence for [...] EVE Technology Lab. OK, which other forum should be used for API related questions from that point on? EVE Tech Lab was the de facto EVE API forum. None of the remaining forums do seem to be appropriated for API questions (judging from their descriptions). QFT Bad Bad Bad decision on CCPs part. API is GROWING and needs the support of these forums to continue. If you start pushing API and tech related threads that are, you know, useful, into other forums they will be swamped by the general trash that exists everywhere else. Combine that with the uselessness of the search feature and it makes everyone's lives harder. Keep the forum, put it at the bottom or the tech area, and support 3rd party endeavors. ------
Ix Forres Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Salvis Tallan QFT Bad Bad Bad decision on CCPs part. API is GROWING and needs the support of these forums to continue. If you start pushing API and tech related threads that are, you know, useful, into other forums they will be swamped by the general trash that exists everywhere else. Combine that with the uselessness of the search feature and it makes everyone's lives harder. Keep the forum, put it at the bottom or the tech area, and support 3rd party endeavors. QFT on the QFT. This really, really needs reconsidering. Archives of techlab discussions are invaluable to 3rd party developers and artists, amongst other parties. Pushing 3rd party devs to a 3rd party forum is hardly going to breed discussion between CCP and 3rd party devs- a rift that appears to be growing rapidly, not shrinking. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense \| RLS-EVE \| Blog
TornSoul BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:36:00 - [12] Edited by: TornSoul on 12/08/2008 17:39:24 Edited by: TornSoul on 12/08/2008 17:35:56 Agree on keeping "EVE Technology Lab" for API and 3rd party stuff. And a BIG no to merging "Events" with "Player Gatherings and Events". Merging ingame events with out of game stuff... Just... Dont. Those two sides needs to be kept seperate. Would you even contemplate merging "Out of Pod Experience" with "EVE General Discussion"? I think not. Not to mention that we arent excactly swimming in ingame related events, now you want them to drown betweeen of all things out of game player gatherings???? Please dont cross that line... (mixing ingame with out of game stuff) BIG Lottery
BlackHorizon Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:38:00 - [13] CAOD going in-character, if enforced, I suspect Warfare and Tactics will become the new cesspool.
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:40:00 - [14] Edited by: DubanFP on 12/08/2008 17:08:51 The new Crime & punishment description Crime & Punishment Warn others of the latest scam, hire a mercenary to seek revenge or brag about your kills. This is the place to discuss the criminal elements of EVE. Whoever wrote that probably isn't very active on the C&P forums. C&P is made up almost entirely of pirates, criminals, scammers and warriors. There's some anti-piracy and anti-scam but that's a very small portion of it. It's written from a "carebear" perspective and puts too much emphasis on the punishment side. It needs to be more true to its community and start on the Crime side with a little bit of punishment. Carebear newbies are going to walk in, whine, and then get flamed to hell. The description should be more direct about it. Maybe something like Crime & Punishment Piracy, scams, mercenaries, and more. Carebears beware; C&P invokes the dark side of EVE's nature _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely outclassed
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.08.12 17:43:00 - [15] Here's the issue I have gathered so far.
Dapanman1 Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:04:00 - [16] So Alliance Tournament dead? Sig removed for inappropriate content.~~~Applebabe
Vessper Indicium Technologies	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:09:00 - [17] I just want to reiterate what others have stated in that getting rid of the Eve Technology Lab is a really bad idea. Although the thread count isn't all that great, the information it (already) contains within is invaluable to 3rd party developers. It also gives people a place to look for help and advice on the API, data exports and Eve based tools. Looking through the new layout, I fail to see anywhere appropriate for such threads to go - there's nowhere in the "Eve Technology" section and I'm sure we don't want to be posting in the swamp that will soon become "My Eve". Whoever thought of this change, could you please give serious consideration in leaving the Eve Technology Lab as it is? - - - EveHQ Character App \| Item Database
Winterblink Body Count Inc. The Requiem	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:09:00 - [18] Quote: Corporations, Alliance and Organization Discussions From political conflicts to battle reports, news, and corporation press releases û this is the in-character political center for all things corporate. "In-character"? Does that mean it's now the Intergalactic Corporations, Alliance and Organization Summit forum? warp drive active \| nature vraie
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:24:00 - [19] Still no merger between the idea forum and the assembly hall? They're basically the same, why post in the idea forum when you can just hop on and spam the assembly? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Mashie Saldana Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:38:00 - [20] Please don't kill the EVE Technology Lab.
Sirius Problem Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:45:00 - [21] FORUM NERF!! Time to cancel meh subscription ---- Train more. Whine less.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:48:00 - [22] So where the hell is EVE Tech Lab stuff going to go? are they just writing off any interaction with 3rd party developers? Also where are the threads in the graveyard forums going? where are they getting moved to? Search: Sky Grunthor
Illusori	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:56:00 - [23] EVE Tech Lab is the only forum I read, it's invaluable in developing third party tools, finding out about other people's tools, making use of the API, and the data export, all of which contribute hugely to the large number of exceptional fansites that EVE has. Removing this community or causing it to splinter into a number of non-official forums is a mind-bogglingly stupid decision, please reconsider it, or at the least give us an explanation that makes sense regarding its removal, one that we can understand: that there is a sane business reason why removing the forum is worth the damage it will do to an enthusiastic and creative part of your playerbase, who invest their time (and money, given we pay to host sites) to promote and accompany your game. I find myself quite quite bemused by this decision, I'm just hoping the decision has been made in error.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.08.12 18:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Sky Grunthor So where the hell is EVE Tech Lab stuff going to go? are they just writing off any interaction with 3rd party developers? This! I haven't heard a worse idea since you removed the buy/sell order forums!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:20:00 - [25] Edited by: Chribba on 12/08/2008 19:20:26 Veldspar.. Trit? What?! To compensate that loss I'm going to turn Trit into Veld over at EVE-Search! And on topic; Will the forum ID's be changed or modified in any way with the exception of mergers? edit/And the structure posted in the blog - is it final? Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:22:00 - [26] woo for some changes to the front end, now what about the rear end will I get logged out when trying to respond to a post or will I continue to ctrl+c all of my replies?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:23:00 - [27] oh and will there be any updated to the rules? as I know c&p tends to have lots of chat logs and killmails neither of which are allowed
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:36:00 - [28] Edited by: Tonto Auri on 12/08/2008 19:37:13 Originally by: Hel O'Ween Quote: And finally, several of our forums make their way to the forum graveyard. All readers please take a moment of silence for [...] EVE Technology Lab. OK, which other forum should be used for API related questions from that point on? EVE Tech Lab was the de facto EVE API forum. None of the remaining forums do seem to be appropriated for API questions (judging from their descriptions). This. Are you going to kill most used first-hand information source about API programming? Have you consulted with brain when doing this removal? Or does that means CCP will discontinue API support at all? -- Thanks CCP for cu
Dztrgovac	Posted - 2008.08.12 19:40:00 - [29] Zomfg they nerfed even the forums.
Ephemeral Waves Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:14:00 - [30] Quote: Corporations, Alliance and Organization Discussions From political conflicts to battle reports, news, and corporation press releases û this is the in-character political center for all things corporate. Since when is CAOD an "in-character" forum?
Kira Novia	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:28:00 - [31] While CCP is working on the forums, may I make a radical suggestion? CCP, please use Invision Power Board! Give us blogs and a gallery! And a better forum! PLEASE!
Kiera Algehn Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:41:00 - [32] Don't kill the Technology Lab! Where else are we to discuss 3rd party apps, data export addictions and api goodness? - K
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:46:00 - [33] I hope that while the forums are being rejuggled around that the block on all trial accounts that kept them confined to Eve New Citzen Q&A and Known Issuse and Workarounds is maintained. I would hate for this forum revamp to open up all the channels to isk selling spammers again. It had become so "peaceful" without them. --
Complete Tart Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Kerfira Should we take this as an indication that EVE TV and the Championship tournaments have been discontinued? Can we get an answer to this? Is this just CCP's way of letting us know the awesome alliance tournament has been quietly shelved?
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:55:00 - [35] but the forums still cant be viewed from ingame can it? ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?"
Aselus Amarr Crimson Right	Posted - 2008.08.12 20:57:00 - [36] So does this announcement officially spell the death of the EVE Alliance tournament? and further EVE-TV productions? Since the usualy bi-annual date has already been passed is it really dead now? Please someone tell us, those of us who are fans of watching the tourney are probably most curious, esp now that we have no forum to ask (not that anyone was paying attention anyways). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~Eternal Swordsman Amarr Victor!
Arous Drephius Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:08:00 - [37] Edited by: Arous Drephius on 12/08/2008 21:08:56 CCP - why remove the Tech Lab forum? Where else are people supposed to ask the questions that they can in there? Where else do people have access to all the information in there? Wrong choice CCP. Don't nerf the Tech Lab.
Epitrope The Citadel Manufacturing and Trade Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:17:00 - [38] Changing categories around is so web 1.0. I suggest that CCP replace the categories with tags. When posting a new thread, tags that apply to the thread would be selected by the author. Old threads could be marked with a tag for the forum they were posted in, and then forum mods could go back and start adding tags to older posts. CCP should start us out with a pre-made list of tags, including perhaps: api, dataexport, csm, sisi, wts, wtb, wtt, rl, shipfit, s&i, starbase, mission, and so on. We would be able to add tags as appropriate, and (at least as I envision it) forum mods would clean up / merge similar tags (ie, singular/plural tags, typos, or misused tags) to keep things organized. I think this would lead to a much, much higher signal to noise ratio, it'd be much easier to find what you want, and much easier to ignore what you don't care about. In the meantime, please don't nerf the tech lab.
Drachma Golea Caldari hunter killers	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:21:00 - [39] Start by defining "In-Character" then continue with "Out-Character"
Drachma Golea Caldari hunter killers	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:30:00 - [40] Originally by: Arous Drephius Edited by: Arous Drephius on 12/08/2008 21:08:56 CCP - why remove the Tech Lab forum? Where else are people supposed to ask the questions that they can in there? Where else do people have access to all the information in there? Wrong choice CCP. Don't nerf the Tech Lab. Same with the windows one, so now you are sure if boot.ini ever dissapears, you won't know where to post it to find a solution...
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:42:00 - [41] Please don't kill the tech lab. _ Got Item? \| EVE API?
ID ReDead Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Pure.	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:47:00 - [42] Don't get rid of the tech lab! It's often the only area worth reading!
Salvar Ar'adim State Property	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:50:00 - [43] hmmmm...... I have a feeling there will be more to this than meets the eye ______ Salvar Ar'Adim [RLLUP]State Property Originally by: CCP Wrangler Get Chribba to publically denounce Veldspar, then we can start discussing winning EVE...
Dern Morrow D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.12 21:53:00 - [44] The Tech Lab is invaluable for communication about the EVE API. It would be a shame to see it go away. -- im in ur stargate pwning ur noobz
Ydnari Gallente Estrale Frontiers	Posted - 2008.08.12 22:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Dern Morrow The Tech Lab is invaluable for communication about the EVE API. It would be a shame to see it go away. Agreed; please don't kill the tech lab.
zacuis Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.12 22:15:00 - [46] altho ive never even opened the tech lab before i am a great lover of all the little apps that people bring out for this game. any resource that is instrumental in there production should stay. other than that reasonable changes.
Clinically Gallente ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 22:25:00 - [47] How about a search function that's actually useful? Maybe with definable filters like: * Posts within last day, last week, last month, last year. * Search thread titles or titles & content * Search posts by author * Sort results by author, recency of posting, relevance. ________________ Q. How do you clear a system of 400 Northern Monkeys? A. Remind them its not cyno jammed.
Kwa Kaine eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.12 23:13:00 - [48] Wait what? Basically you've done ** all in all this time and yet still can't improve your forum to better than what everyone else's was 10 years ago? Jesus sometimes you lot disgust me. What do you do all day play scrabble and browse 4chan? EVE Online Customer Support** <- It would be nice if this actually existed.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.13 00:23:00 - [49] These changes are a joke. Is the tournament dead? CAOD in-character? Merging events with gatherings, what the hell! Not to mention the love of the techlab is a bit crazy. Please reconsider this.
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.08.13 00:39:00 - [50] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 12/08/2008 17:08:51 The new Crime & punishment description Crime & Punishment Warn others of the latest scam, hire a mercenary to seek revenge or brag about your kills. This is the place to discuss the criminal elements of EVE. Whoever wrote that probably isn't very active on the C&P forums. C&P is made up almost entirely of pirates, criminals, scammers and warriors. There's some anti-piracy and anti-scam but that's a very small portion of it. It's written from a "carebear" perspective and puts too much emphasis on the punishment side. It needs to be more true to its community and start on the Crime side with a little bit of punishment. Carebear newbies are going to walk in, whine, and then get flamed to hell. The description should be more direct about it. Maybe something like Crime & Punishment Piracy, scams, mercenaries, and more. Carebears beware; C&P invokes the dark side of EVE's nature Seriously. How about this one Duban: "Crime & Punishment: You will never find a more wretched hive of s****and villainy." Win. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Ryushe JuBa Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.08.13 00:58:00 - [51] Originally by: Ix Forres Originally by: Salvis Tallan QFT Bad Bad Bad decision on CCPs part. API is GROWING and needs the support of these forums to continue. If you start pushing API and tech related threads that are, you know, useful, into other forums they will be swamped by the general trash that exists everywhere else. Combine that with the uselessness of the search feature and it makes everyone's lives harder. Keep the forum, put it at the bottom or the tech area, and support 3rd party endeavors. QFT on the QFT. This really, really needs reconsidering. Archives of techlab discussions are invaluable to 3rd party developers and artists, amongst other parties. Pushing 3rd party devs to a 3rd party forum is hardly going to breed discussion between CCP and 3rd party devs- a rift that appears to be growing rapidly, not shrinking. QFT on the QFT on the QFT Techlab is the most useful forum section there is. As others have stated, it's the de facto resource for API tool development and other stuff relating to 3rd party eve related applications. Of all the people playing this game, how many actually develop tools? More than you think or they will admit to. How many of those silent developers have used the information to be found in Techlab? I would bet almost all of them. By the looks of things I would almost start assuming CCP does no longer care much for the API, the people that use the API to enhance gameplay for a whole load of other players or for the players that use these tools on a daily basis. Not very logical to remove the source of almost all API development now is it? Unless of course that's secretly your plan? Please reconsider nixing Techlab. Don't just go by post count. It's only logical that a section such as Techlab does not have the post count that for instance General Discussion has. Or in other words, nix Techlab and the puppy gets it ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ECS Thread 1 ECS Thread 2
Zarlis The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.13 01:01:00 - [52] Quote: Corporations, Alliance and Organization Discussions From political conflicts to battle reports, news, and corporation press releases û this is the in-character political center for all things corporate. haha you are right COAD has been a bit slow lately this should bring shitpoasting to a whole new level, I can't wait
Tkar vonBiggendorf Gallente Snake Eyes Inc Friend or Enemy	Posted - 2008.08.13 01:16:00 - [53] Edited by: Tkar vonBiggendorf on 13/08/2008 01:17:04 Originally by: Ryushe Originally by: Ix Forres Originally by: Salvis Tallan QFT Bad Bad Bad decision on CCPs part. API is GROWING and needs the support of these forums to continue. ... QFT on the QFT. This really, really needs reconsidering. ... QFT on the QFT on the QFT Techlab is the most useful forum section there is. ... QFT on the QFT on the QFT... ahh, heck. QFT^4. Primary gathering place for 3rd party tools, the API, database dumps, etc. This is a "quality over quantity" forum, and must be saved. EDIT: trimmed the quotes. I promise nothingÖ. --CCP Prism X
Cyrus Ageis TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.08.13 01:20:00 - [54] OK, my request for if you're cleaning this up. Just my own little pet peeve: "EVE Information Center * EVE Information Portal All the latest news, announcements and archives from the EVE Online development team. This forum is community reply only; players may not create new threads." I check here daily for what's-what with the going on's of Eve from a company stand point of announcements vital to game play. Nothing against CCP Abraxas, but, I don't feel that his "New Chronicle:" series, or ANY Dev created fiction, belongs here. Move it to "EVE Fiction". Sorry, but, just because it's Dev started or Dev related does NOT mean it should automatically go into the Information Portal. Hell, give them their own sub-section of Fiction, but please, leave important information in the Information Center, and move the fluff somewhere else, M'Kay?
Four Degrees Caldari Alternative End Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.13 01:38:00 - [55] Something to consider in regards to the Alliance Tournament. Some things to consider. -EveTV could just not be involved anymore which has prompted a change, yes they could have just removed the EveTV part, but that could be one of the following: (i)It may be a while before it happens again, so there's no need for the forum. (ii)CCP may implement it when required. (One less thing to moderate, in-between times.) -EveTV may still be involved and the same reasons above for the changes. I think it'd take something major to happen for CCP to ditch the Alliance Tournaments, I don't see it happening - it's one of the major selling points at the end of the day. It may just mean there'll be no video coverage. (Certainly don't want a repeat of the rage-fits last tournament with a large amount of people getting buffered and frozen, despite the previous successful ones.) Chill out a bit and don't take a forum removal to instantly mean the death of a major event, I'm sure things will become clear in time. As to the rest of the changes, I echo the concerns about the Tech Lab, while not a user myself I'd like to think I'd be able to use something spawned from its existence at some point. Otherwise, change is good. It may not be right the first time around but atleast there's a pulse.
Gina Barbagrigia 58th Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.13 01:44:00 - [56] What the hell is wrong with Technology Lab? Your coders getting ideas? Leave it please. Does removal of Windows forum mean you feel there are no issues specific to that OS anymore?
Blazde 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.13 02:06:00 - [57] Originally by: Winterblink Quote: Corporations, Alliance and Organization Discussions From political conflicts to battle reports, news, and corporation press releases û this is the in-character political center for all things corporate. "In-character"? Does that mean it's now the Intergalactic Corporations, Alliance and Organization Summit forum? While I fully support the (assumed) motivation behind this it's being done the wrong way around. - CAOD should be binned. - Corporations and Alliances Summit should be left as is (identical to what the new CAOD would be with the proposed changes) CAOD the forum and the name has become a synomn for 'joke'. It's derided constantly by the very people who use it, "Hey this is CAOD you're not supposed to serious post" and similar features in almost every thread. It's on the floor, limp and comatose with the same people kicking it repeatedly for years and noone stepping in to help it. No amount of "hey in-character posting only now" rulings, edits, bans, locks can save it. The moderators will only become disillusioned and it will sink back to same old worthless 99% spam out-of-character CAOD we have now. Put CAOD out of it's misery. Corporations and Alliances Summit is a much better starting point for a clean slate (though it will still require very strict moderation to begin with). Also no matter which way around it's done please merge the old posts from both into the surviving forum. Both have large amounts of very interesting old posts, arguably more valuable than any other eve-o forum and will always be the most complete, rich historic source on general political history. Losing either would be a tragedy. _
Blacklight Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.08.13 02:17:00 - [58] Another clear indication that CCP cannot see the wood for the trees, are losing touch with their own player base and are incapable of making the right decisions to support the game. It's funny and ironic that after 5-6 years something as ridiculously innocuous as an announcement about reshuffling the forums should make me cancel all my accounts, even the white elephant that is ambulation or the horror that is 0.0 sovereignty warfare couldn't manage to stop me giving you the money for four accounts a month. However, if this is the best you can do and if this is the level of understanding you have regarding your community, then I bid you a final farewell. Get some decent forum software and properly moderate your boards before you start worrying about what people should post where. Blog
Elle Pierson	Posted - 2008.08.13 04:00:00 - [59] So where, exactly, are all those folks developing third-party tools supposed to do their thing? It was bad enough in the tech lab, where you competed with threads covering everything from unique hardware issues, tools, the api and db exports, and anything else that was even vaguely tecnological in nature. How about a nice clean set of third-party-developement-centric forums: General Development Discussion Api Discussion Database Discussion Projects (help wanted etc.) Releases (one thread per product) Support your third party dev's. We do it so you don't have to!
Komen Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.13 04:18:00 - [60] Er... YES to clarifying the descriptions of forum sections. NO to most of the consolidations and removals put forward. I don't even use most of the sections talked about, but the merges of such disparate sections as 'events' and 'player gatherings and events'...I mean, it's like you don't even know your own forum, when you propose this. And BIG NO to getting rid of the API tech forum. I don't post there, I don't develop for it, but I do make use of the products that result (and big thank you to everyone who develops tools to use API functionality). To propose an alternative, I'll repeat the long-standing request: Upgrade your forums to the present, please. Functional and useful search feature, thread tracking, etc., etc., etc. This forum is horribly antiquated and badly in need of love.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.08.13 05:12:00 - [61] Three things. One, will any threads from the deleted boards be deleted, or will they be archived(and if so, where?). Two, please don't make CAOD an in-character forum - it might drive the denizens out, and then they'd pollute worthwhile boards. Third, and by far most importantly, this is an absolutely trivial change. I saw the fact that there was a dev blog about forum changes, and I was hoping for some actual progress on the real issues this board has - appallingly short character limits, random logoffs(to the point of having to log in ten times to make a post on occasion - yes, this happens to me a fair bit), a search functionality at least as useful as a library's pre-computer card catalogue would be, and many others. Instead, it's a change to a dozen sentences of descriptor text, and a merger of some little-used boards. I think I speak for everyone who has ever used these forums when I say that what we wanted to see from a dev blog on the forums was real changes. Rip out the code base and start fresh, because the one you have now sucks. It's not that the changes mentioned in this dev blog are bad, because they aren't, it's just that they're meaningless. If your forums can't even come up to the standards of a 12 year old who downloaded phpBB off Sourceforge - and right now, they don't - then descriptor text and which topics go in which subforums are really the least of your concerns. ------------------ Fix the forums!
Cyrus Ageis TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.08.13 05:17:00 - [62] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto If your forums can't even come up to the standards of a 12 year old who downloaded phpBB off Sourceforge - and right now, they don't - then descriptor text and which topics go in which subforums are really the least of your concerns. Yeah, QFT here. Typical CCP reaction TBH: fix what isn't broken and ignore what is.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.08.13 05:30:00 - [63] Originally by: Cyrus Ageis Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto If your forums can't even come up to the standards of a 12 year old who downloaded phpBB off Sourceforge - and right now, they don't - then descriptor text and which topics go in which subforums are really the least of your concerns. Yeah, QFT here. Typical CCP reaction TBH: fix what isn't broken and ignore what is. I wouldn't go quite that far. They're a business, and they operate like one. They look for the easiest jobs with the highest rewards(usually defined by subscriber base), and they have limited resources. I respect that. This is why I usually mock "Fix the lag" threads - I don't expect them to cure cancer tomorrow either, no matter how nice it would be. And there are some genuine problems that they do fix - heavy interdictors, for example, were a great patch to a real problem of untackleable supercapitals in lowsec/post-DDD. The thing I don't get is why some of the really easy problems still remain unsolved, and the forums are probably the worst of these(hence its presence in my sig - it's not the most important issue, but it's the most head-smackingly obvious). I've known some truly stupid people who used freeware to make a better, more stable, more functional forum in an evening than a software company with 200 employees and a budget in the tens of millions can seem to manage in five years. They picked the hard solution of coding their own, they got a significantly worse result for their efforts, and they still haven't fixed it. For that matter, take the Search bar and point it at either www.eve-search.com or www.google.com site:www.eve-online.com, and I don't much care which. It would take literally five minutes, and it would double the functionality of the website, especially for the new players who don't know their way around and want to find out what this whole "tracking" thing is. Do that, and then come back to me about which forum goes where in the front page. Or better yet, skip your coffee break and do both. ------------------ Fix the forums!
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.13 06:31:00 - [64] <insert rant about how EVE is becoming more carebear> - Infectious -
Hober Hardin	Posted - 2008.08.13 06:33:00 - [65] Edited by: Hober Hardin on 13/08/2008 06:35:04 Just a small point, but in the Eve Marketplace, whats the point in continuing the Want Ads & Trade, and the Price Check forums? They do have a few posts now and again but they're rarely answered and don't have that many reads. Why not just have Timecode Bazaar, Character Bazaar, and In-Game Bazaar, and just use each one for it's relevant [WTS], [WTB], [WTT], & [PC]?
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.08.13 07:01:00 - [66] OMG Forum NERF !!! Seriously CCP, some of your changes don't make ANY sense. Forum funcfionality is veery low and you manage to remove usefull forum areas. Finish the freaking SEARCH and make forums readable ingame. THEN **** off people by unecesary forum nerfs. --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Ambo Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.08.13 07:06:00 - [67] Originally by: Ix Forres Originally by: Salvis Tallan QFT Bad Bad Bad decision on CCPs part. API is GROWING and needs the support of these forums to continue. If you start pushing API and tech related threads that are, you know, useful, into other forums they will be swamped by the general trash that exists everywhere else. Combine that with the uselessness of the search feature and it makes everyone's lives harder. Keep the forum, put it at the bottom or the tech area, and support 3rd party endeavors. QFT on the QFT. This really, really needs reconsidering. Archives of techlab discussions are invaluable to 3rd party developers and artists, amongst other parties. Pushing 3rd party devs to a 3rd party forum is hardly going to breed discussion between CCP and 3rd party devs- a rift that appears to be growing rapidly, not shrinking. Happy with all the other changes but the Tech Lab, despite being low-traffic, has a wealth of historical information and many knowledgeable readers to help out with API and datadump issues of other third party developers. PLEASE do not get rid of this forum, or if you do, at least provide a suitable replacement. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.08.13 07:12:00 - [68] Since it is probably not possible to make a whine-filter, could you at least try to add some way to block specific posters - like that Monkey script thing that has was floating around. There are altogether too many trolls/whiners/alts/counter-whiners etc. for the forum to be used for anything other than a laugh once in a while. PS: Personal pet peeve of mine. Auto delete all posts containing less than 10 characters. This is a written medium not a conversation at a bar, the "lolz", "c/d" etc are a blight and a disgrace to all sentient life forms.
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.08.13 07:46:00 - [69] Originally by: Tkar vonBiggendorf QFT on the QFT on the QFT... ahh, heck. QFT^4. Primary gathering place for 3rd party tools, the API, database dumps, etc. This is a "quality over quantity" forum, and must be saved. EDIT: trimmed the quotes. QFT^5 The Tech Lab is where all of the 3rd party programmers hang out, and is generally an excellent place for us to communicate among each other, and stay in contact with the devs over what's going on with the API. Removing it will be far more detrimental than the extra bit of space it takes up on the forum listing. Please don't remove it. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.08.13 07:52:00 - [70] These changes make it pretty clear the people in charge are utterly clueless and don't use the forums they control. Nice job replying to the questions about alliance tournament too, oh wait you didn't you just killed the forum where the questions were being asked and then ignored them in this thread.
Mallikanth Minmatar Universal Star Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.13 08:40:00 - [71] while you're changing the forums, can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE not have "New Dev Blog" titles but have them numbered as well? The dev blogs from x weeks / months back are no longer new. It would make it much easier to spot the latest blogs.
Zilkin M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.08.13 08:47:00 - [72] In-character COAD ? Exactly how are you going to determine if someone is posting in in-character or not ? Also whats the future of the PVP tourney ?
Muscaat Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.08.13 09:34:00 - [73] Don't get rid of the Technology Lab. That would just be silly, OK? Quote: All readers please take a moment of silence for ... Windows Oh, the sarcastic comments I could put here...
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.13 10:39:00 - [74] Edited by: Miklas Laces on 13/08/2008 10:39:43 Corps that play FW cannot post on CAOD and alt-corps can ? Nice one
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.13 12:19:00 - [75] Corporations, Alliance and Organization Discussions Why, in the name of all cold places in hell, do you want to keep this place of total crap postings and kill the Summit?
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2008.08.13 17:48:00 - [76] Good troll, some people fell for it. A bit sneaky to use a "dev tag" though.
Zy'or Tealon DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.13 18:39:00 - [77] Originally by: Clinically How about a search function that's actually useful? Maybe with definable filters like: * Posts within last day, last week, last month, last year. * Search thread titles or titles & content * Search posts by author * Sort results by author, recency of posting, relevance. QFT The thing I've missed most on this forum. Originally by: Dern Morrow The Tech Lab is invaluable for communication about the EVE API. It would be a shame to see it go away. QFT The only useful section I've ever read on this forum. Sidenote to CCP: If you really don't want your customers to use your forum why not close it altogether. That's way less time consuming then reworking it so that all your customers flee to 3rd party forums. --------------- The new Bug Reporting process rules! Use it and help make EvE even better! Quote: Test your software or your users will!
Azazel Mordred Minmatar Cloak of Shadows	Posted - 2008.08.13 19:25:00 - [78] Originally by: Verite Rendition QFT^5 The Tech Lab is where all of the 3rd party programmers hang out, and is generally an excellent place for us to communicate among each other, and stay in contact with the devs over what's going on with the API. Removing it will be far more detrimental than the extra bit of space it takes up on the forum listing. Please don't remove it. QFT^6 I honestly cannot even fathom how the decision to axe the Tech Lab entered anyone's mind.
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.08.13 19:43:00 - [79] Edited by: Karanth on 13/08/2008 19:43:44 This "refinement" reminds me of the time that all the belts in B-7LYC were turned into Veldspar after one patch. Including the ice belt. What exactly is the point of this shuffle? There are a few dozen other issues that loom over the boards like a nerdrage-fuelled spectre, and shuffling the lifeboats onboard isn't going to help. You know, like: Not logging people out every 14 seconds. Larger, or unlimited, character limits. When the only viable option is eve-search, that is bad (Chribba shouldn't have needed to correct a basic flaw, but he did it well.) Auto-checking to see if a player should be able to post in a certain area (Try posting in CAOD, and you're in one of the NPC corps (a finite small list?) Forum denies you the power to post on that char.) The first three are done by basically every forum in the world other than this one, and the last one would take maybe an hour to do. Warp Speed skill needed!
Skylar Keenan Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.13 21:36:00 - [80] Edited by: Skylar Keenan on 13/08/2008 21:38:30 Just give us a working passable forum with a search function that doesn't turn up half the pages on the domain already... edit: What Karanth said basically. ----------------------------------------------- New sig coming SoonÖ
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence	Posted - 2008.08.13 21:50:00 - [81] Oh I'd like to add... Since the Tech forum has the more intelligent discussions (no offense intended) done by people which are generally less bothered with forums (I rarely use forums myself), there are not going to be as many people here defending the section, but we still want to keep it. It would be hugely unfair if an important minority group (3rd party developers) loses its area just because it wasn't vocal enough about it. These changes were based on what, post count? _ Got Item? \| EVE API?
King Leopold Congo Free State	Posted - 2008.08.13 23:12:00 - [82] ahh.. howabout search? that sounds more like what people want. -- Read my Blog - Congo Free State
Niraco79 Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.14 05:41:00 - [83] Forums do not need shuffle, need UPGRADE: search function, posting n CAOD reveal all you account chars (make the alts to actual pay a new account = good for bussiness), Faction warfare corner shold be a nice addition and for god sake keep the tech lab.
Cay Qel'Droma Amarr RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.14 05:56:00 - [84] Originally by: Entity Oh I'd like to add... Since the Tech forum has the more intelligent discussions.... Guys, you really should think about this and the actual (also financial) outcome of the removal for you. Third party devs make stuff which EVE lacks and players find important/useful, thus drawing people in and keeping them enjoy the game. Think about it. EVEMon, killboards, what do you have running on YOUR desktop and in YOUR web browser? Keep the Tech Lab alive, please. Amateurs built the Arc, professionals built the Titanic.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.14 09:38:00 - [85] I'm almost done with my full export of triexporter where will I put it if you take down the tech forum? maybe re-name it to make it hold more stuff but don't get rid of it. Originally by: Dapanman1 Terrible idea, you're an idiot
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2008.08.14 11:53:00 - [86] Originally by: MotherMoon I'm almost done with my full export of triexporter where will I put it if you take down the tech forum? maybe re-name it to make it hold more stuff but don't get rid of it. Rename yes, but what "more" you mentioned? It is already cluttered with requests about game functionality, which indeed going to the "Windows" section. Which will be removed too (0).(0) -- Thanks CCP for cu
Pronas Scoopex Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:17:00 - [87] Originally by: Entity Oh I'd like to add... Since the Tech forum has the more intelligent discussions (no offense intended) done by people which are generally less bothered with forums (I rarely use forums myself), there are not going to be as many people here defending the section, but we still want to keep it. It would be hugely unfair if an important minority group (3rd party developers) loses its area just because it wasn't vocal enough about it. These changes were based on what, post count? 200% Agree we need it and also (not sure plan) split COAD with 2 forums Alliance & Corp and another one for FW ... -- Scoopex CEO Scoopex is Recruting
Caiman Graystock Quantum of Solace	Posted - 2008.08.14 17:32:00 - [88] it'll do
Jeslik Minmatar Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.08.14 22:47:00 - [89] I feel this is a very poor choice of focus. Oh, I'm happy you're doing SOMETHING (anything) with the forums, but really, do you think shuffling topics around is really spongeworthy? No, what we'd all really like to hear about is that you're making the forums more functional, adding tools & features that other sites have. A search feature with multiple filters that works pops to mind. All love to Chribba for Eve-Search, which helps bridge the huge gaping chasm in finding information, but having to go to another site to search for information is just stupid. Now that would have been impressive. Not an Epic Fail, but definately not your finest work. Please try again. Quote: Oddball: Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change? Moriarty: Crap
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.08.15 04:17:00 - [90] Seriously, the Tech Lab needs to stay. For all the reasons stated in this thread already. Oh, and WOOT! COAD is now in character! :D Have fun moderating that hive of s****and villainy ;) ____________
Jitabug Caldari Shaolin Legacy	Posted - 2008.08.15 09:40:00 - [91] If you're going to turn Crime and Punishment into a carebear whine zone, then you'll need to give pirates their own forum to live in. I hereby suggest "The Yarr Bar".
4rc4ng3L Gallente C R Y O	Posted - 2008.08.15 11:34:00 - [92] Seems fine but Tech Lab should be staying tbh ------------------------------------------ - To Jumanji, or not to Jumanji...... -
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.08.15 21:02:00 - [93] Edited by: Kerfira on 15/08/2008 21:03:10 Am I the only one who compares this to a government reshuffle? When a government haven't done anything useful for a while and things are going downhill they either pull their act together and start doing their job, or they do a reshuffle to look efficient. The groups we have right now might not be 100% optimal, but they're at least 90% there and nobody among the fanbase see any real issue there. CCP should probably look at the severe problems with the forum that people have pointed out over the last years instead of this meaningless shuffling around of titles.... EDIT: I never read the Tech Lab forum, but people have provided ample reason why it should stay. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2008.08.16 03:10:00 - [94] Originally by: Cyrus Ageis OK, my request for if you're cleaning this up. Just my own little pet peeve: "EVE Information Center * EVE Information Portal All the latest news, announcements and archives from the EVE Online development team. This forum is community reply only; players may not create new threads." I check here daily for what's-what with the going on's of Eve from a company stand point of announcements vital to game play. Nothing against CCP Abraxas, but, I don't feel that his "New Chronicle:" series, or ANY Dev created fiction, belongs here. Move it to "EVE Fiction". Sorry, but, just because it's Dev started or Dev related does NOT mean it should automatically go into the Information Portal. Hell, give them their own sub-section of Fiction, but please, leave important information in the Information Center, and move the fluff somewhere else, M'Kay? I don't neccessicarily agree on the relitive importance of Chronicles, but I might support such a move if only because it might bring more traffic to the Eve Fiction nee Library section.
Levedara GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.17 08:00:00 - [95] Originally by: CCP Taera In the next few weeks our forum will undergo the same refining process that turns Veldspar into Tritanium. These changes will bring new additions, subtractions, mergers and more; you can read all about it in my first dev blog, Forums Refined. We hope these changes make it easier to use, browse, and enjoy our forum. Were these your ideas or? Whats being done to prevent Factional warfare idiots from spamming in CAOD with the rest of us? What are your thoughts on th... oh wait
Komen Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.17 23:40:00 - [96] Edited by: Komen on 17/08/2008 23:41:18 Posting again, as upon reflection, the given explanation of 'this will mean less scrolling' is...well...bull *****. This is a non-starter, especially when you're removing one of the most useful forums, and merging others that don't share common topics, or are in fact antithetical in topic. Please please please please PLEASE rethink these changes. Edit: it even censors the medical term for 'solid bodily waste'. Way to go, bad-word filter, way to go.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.08.18 09:32:00 - [97] Originally by: Hel O'Ween OK, which other forum should be used for API related questions from that point on? EVE Tech Lab was the de facto EVE API forum. None of the remaining forums do seem to be appropriated for API questions (judging from their descriptions). Don't you get CCP's hint? They fired guy that made API and now they just want API to die and stop hogging their resources. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Mag's MASS	Posted - 2008.08.18 15:46:00 - [98] The 'less scrolling' line made me laugh, I have to admit. As others have said, there seems to be a lack of understanding, in regards to the forum. Calling CAOD an 'in-character' section, being one of them. Am I the only one who feels, this is just another, in a long line of lack of understandings? Mag's Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.08.19 16:22:00 - [99] Originally by: Kuolematon Don't you get CCP's hint? They fired guy that made API and now they just want API to die and stop hogging their resources. No. The guy who did the API left to do other stuff. He wasn't fired. They even have a new API dev.
Joe Starbreaker AnTi.	Posted - 2008.08.21 06:32:00 - [100] Just read the dev blog. Why are you (CCP) spending so much time fixing everything that's not broke about the forums, when there are SO MANY problems that really need to be fixed, for example, the lack of a useful search function. Get the forum software up to the level where it's at least comparable to free open-source forum software, then start worrying about the details.
Breathing The Edge Institute	Posted - 2008.08.21 15:50:00 - [101] Edited by: Breathing on 21/08/2008 15:51:18 Good point. Make the search function useful before you start re-organising things. I can just see some bumbling old fart in his flat who moves the furniture around for no apparent reason every few months just to give himself something to do.... Also would be good to know what the OP thinks about the questions raised. Most of the comments left have been along similar lines, and constructive / valid and it would only take a couple minutes to reply.
Joseph Vacher	Posted - 2008.08.21 16:09:00 - [102] Have you ever thought of making CAOD roleplay only like the Intergalactic Summit area? Personally I don't use either, but I think I'd at least read CAOD, and therefore take an interest in what's going on in the various wars of EVE, if it weren't for the extraordinary amount of utter nonsense that people post in it. It's like what I imagine Warcraft forums to be like in there, filled with kids and pinheads. I would have thought making it roleplay only would filter out a lot of the garbage.
Havok Pierce Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.08.27 17:51:00 - [103] Please don't remove the useful gathering place for 3rd Party API that is the Eve Technology forum. At least rename/move it to something like "EVE API Development" or something like that. Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's a Community petition category??
Garion Avarr Amarr Zero Zero Traders YTMND.	Posted - 2008.08.28 00:04:00 - [104] Originally by: Joseph Vacher Have you ever thought of making CAOD roleplay only like the Intergalactic Summit area? Personally I don't use either, but I think I'd at least read CAOD, and therefore take an interest in what's going on in the various wars of EVE, if it weren't for the extraordinary amount of utter nonsense that people post in it. It's like what I imagine Warcraft forums to be like in there, filled with kids and pinheads. I would have thought making it roleplay only would filter out a lot of the garbage. That seems to be what they're doing. However, while a great idea in principal, I'd love to encourage all the big alliances to become RPers, I don't think it will work, because well . . . most people the play online RPGs aren't so into the whole 'role-play' part of the game, even if that's kinda the point. Which is sad, really, and sometimes annoying, but hey, that's life, and in all honesty, to make a commercial success out of a game like Eve, you can't restrict membership to only RPers, so . . . I don't see how this would be particular enforceable without either (a) ****ing off the majority of the customer base, or (b) totally devaluing most any sort of standards for RP. Given that CCP is a business, I have a feeling which one they would (quite justifiably) choose. I'd love to see COAD become IC-only, and even more love to see everyone in the game magically turn into RPers, but . . . I don't think that's gonna to work. ________________________________ This is not a signature.
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.08.29 12:01:00 - [105] Moar dev bl ... cough ... MOAR DEV BLOGS!
Miyamoto Uroki Caldari KuhSchubsKlan	Posted - 2008.09.01 07:05:00 - [106] Originally by: Franga Moar dev bl ... cough ... MOAR DEV BLOGS! I fully endorse this product/service
Johnathan Roark Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 03:12:00 - [107] Removing the EVE Technology Lab is a huge mistake. If you really want to remove useless forums, remove the Council of Stellar Management. That has to be the most useless section on the forums. Also, making COAD in character is pointless. Who gets to decide when someone isn't in character? Its going to be a moderator nightmare trying to filter it and right now, it seems moderation is inefficient. Most of us really don't care if a signature is doesn't conform to the exact dimensions and size. I would rather see moderators waste there time removing off topic post and inappropriate content.
Trinneth	Posted - 2008.09.02 23:07:00 - [108] Another post in support of keeping the Tech lab, those little API applications make up an important part of my EVE playing time, they contribute to such an extent that they're part of the game, and a part that I'm very grateful for. It seems to me that that small community devoting themselves to improving the game that I enjoy for free should be nurtured, encouraged and supported - they make your game better at minimal cost to yourselves, don't take away their forum. Even if the only posters were three guys and a cat I'd be in favour of keeping it. And more cat food.
gaga rin	Posted - 2008.09.03 08:51:00 - [109] Can we please get a separate log-in for posting on the forum? That would make it safer to use the forum e.g. at work...
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.09.03 13:18:00 - [110] Yay! Mac forum is over the Linux forum! Best change ever! Moving up in the world! and no Windows named forum....sweeet... Seriously, fix the search...
malcotch Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:11:00 - [111] Its been over two weeks since the initial announcement that the forums will be updated in 2 weeks time. Understandably there are issues that need ironing out, before the majority of forum goers are happy. But please can CCP give us a new target date, of when the forum changes will be rolled out. I'm sure there's a lot of us looking forward to the Warfare and Tactics forum! ...or perhaps just add these new forums before removing the old ones!!
Huan CK Gallente Koshaku Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.08 08:17:00 - [112] Hmm.. I don't see major improvements in the way the forums work. Seriously, there's one major thing regarding the forums that needs to be changed and upgraded, which never gets attention: THE SEARCH!! It's just not usable at all! If you'd implement a search capable of finding what you actually want to find, I guess you'd make alot of players happy :) ----------
Syekuda Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:47:00 - [113] Originally by: Huan CK Hmm.. I don't see major improvements in the way the forums work. Seriously, there's one major thing regarding the forums that needs to be changed and upgraded, which never gets attention: THE SEARCH!! It's just not usable at all! If you'd implement a search capable of finding what you actually want to find, I guess you'd make alot of players happy :) I support that. Can we also put more features in that are really useful..well to me anyway.. like tracking any replyes to my post and posts that I did...its hell to track that. Filtering options could be welcome
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.09.10 12:54:00 - [114] Moar friggin' dev-blogs. ----------
Kalda Centauri Gallente Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.09.16 03:35:00 - [115] If we promise to be good, can we get a new dev blog? Pretty Please? Originally by: Eidolon Ra Insanity is the gift of immortality without morality.
Squably Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.09.16 14:40:00 - [116] I'd rather just see the forum updated than more dev blogs, been long enough since the blog. Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
Stork DK Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.10.01 09:45:00 - [117] The first post in a thread (OP) has a black background. Cant have it made so that all the posts posted in a thread by the thread creator is black? -----
Gramor Panne Amarr Industrial Light and Merchantile	Posted - 2008.10.15 19:22:00 - [118] So this announced, what, two months ago and we still don't have a Warfare and Tactics forum? -- Gramor Panne --
Wollari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.23 11:38:00 - [119] It seems that some forums just got moved around or got merged. Could it be possible that CCP is currently reorganizing the forums?
Julius Rigel House Rigel	Posted - 2008.10.23 12:11:00 - [120] Forgive for asking this potentially obvious question. But seeing as the blog itself does not give any hints; Quote: WHERE THE <act of inserting phallus into vagina> IS MY THREAD?!!
Zycorax II Zenryoo na Karasu Tamashii	Posted - 2008.10.23 13:34:00 - [121] Runs around in circles, screaming in confusion
Gorek Loc Etherware Heavy Engineering	Posted - 2008.10.23 14:55:00 - [122] Some changes are good, some are bad... this is a good change I know I was debating much against the change when CCP tried to remove the sell orders forum, but after heavy debating, they changed their minds and included it anyway (appearently due to an oversight on management level ).
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.23 15:29:00 - [123] Originally by: Wollari It seems that some forums just got moved around or got merged. Could it be possible that CCP is currently reorganizing the forums? Yep. CAOD is dead! Long Live CAOD!
Zkuvtolcaq	Posted - 2008.10.23 16:36:00 - [124] So wheres the videos now at ?
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.23 16:59:00 - [125] Originally by: Zkuvtolcaq So wheres the videos now at ? "My Eve"
Lord Zarcam Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.10.23 19:14:00 - [126] Sorry if this may be the wrong place for this comment, but please fix the white screen that flashes between pages. It's causing eye to bug out! In IE7, WinXP, SP3, I'm getting a white page that flashes very quickly everytime I click on a new page. This just started last night (EST time zone) for me so I'm assuming it has to do with the recent changes.
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2008.10.23 23:43:00 - [127] :-\ forum reorganization and merc services still grouped with the pirate forum. Booooo.
Eomar Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.10.24 00:43:00 - [128] First impressions. There are still a load of forums, just like there was before. Now tho, stuff that quite rightly was separated has been pointlessly blobbed up, events for example is a jumbled mess. the layout is completely to ****, and LESS intuitive than it was before, eg general discussion relegated even further down the page. im not entirely sure what these changes have actually achieved as far as being useful goes, maybe im missing something?
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.10.24 01:03:00 - [129] I am trying to view a thread that was in the Corporation and Alliance Summit section but it is not letting me. Does this mean ALL posts in that forum have been erased or are they still being shuffled? There were a lot of posts in there that I reference a lot and it would be a travesty if all the information there is completely erased. --- Put in space whales!
Helison Gallente GREY COUNCIL Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.10.24 01:16:00 - [130] Originally by: Lisento Slaven I am trying to view a thread that was in the Corporation and Alliance Summit section but it is not letting me. Does this mean ALL posts in that forum have been erased or are they still being shuffled? There were a lot of posts in there that I reference a lot and it would be a travesty if all the information there is completely erased. Check here: http://www.eve-search.com/forum/109588 Thanks to Chribba for EVE-Search!
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.10.24 02:41:00 - [131] Originally by: Helison Originally by: Lisento Slaven I am trying to view a thread that was in the Corporation and Alliance Summit section but it is not letting me. Does this mean ALL posts in that forum have been erased or are they still being shuffled? There were a lot of posts in there that I reference a lot and it would be a travesty if all the information there is completely erased. Check here: http://www.eve-search.com/forum/109588 Thanks to Chribba for EVE-Search! Yeah I know about EVE-Search. But does this mean ALL of those threads are now locked forever and inaccessible other than through eve-search or other cached sources? Totally not cool if this is the case... --- Put in space whales!
bumbblebee	Posted - 2008.10.24 06:14:00 - [132] off topic --- but hey in missions why cant we have rare drops in all missions if not a certin perctage of them ??? like some faction loot or t2 items all that is droped is crap mostly asll refinalbe things you might find a mod thats worth a mil or two but hey even most game games in the world online have rare drops why cant we ??? !!!!! make it worth the time to do them you used to have one mission in which oncw in a great while you had a chance at a faction drop which made the mission worth palying even addewd excitement to it a great deal of it you kow will i get one wont i ??? thats what makes a mission !!!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.10.24 06:29:00 - [133] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Originally by: Helison Originally by: Lisento Slaven I am trying to view a thread that was in the Corporation and Alliance Summit section but it is not letting me. Does this mean ALL posts in that forum have been erased or are they still being shuffled? There were a lot of posts in there that I reference a lot and it would be a travesty if all the information there is completely erased. Check here: http://www.eve-search.com/forum/109588 Thanks to Chribba for EVE-Search! Yeah I know about EVE-Search. But does this mean ALL of those threads are now locked forever and inaccessible other than through eve-search or other cached sources? Totally not cool if this is the case... From what I seen all threads that previously was in a now locked forum is also locked (=gone in terms of EVEO). Some threads I think got moved but not 100% sure when some forums merged. Also, is anyone else experiencing "automatic login" trouble? Did something change in terms of logged in/status. EVE-Search tends to be logged in at some threads and some not on a very random behaviour.

Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.25 15:56:00 - [134] I'd like to congratulate CCP on their successful Sony-ization of the forums, I think it will do wonders for the playerbase for CAOD to be officially-by-title reduced to a 24/7 Bob vs. Goons vs. TRI vs. PL vs. Pets smackfest, to replace the suddenly missing alliance championships forum in our hearts. However...I thought this was supposed to be an improvement? And WTF, still no decent search feature? J:Evo is coming soon... --- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Trinneth	Posted - 2008.10.25 19:03:00 - [135] I just want to say a quick "thanks" for keeping the tech lab - I've still never used it, but anything that supports the people making all those little API utilities that I love can only be a good thing.
Elbert Ainstein The Engineer Corp.	Posted - 2008.10.26 08:22:00 - [136] Argh, just a reshuffling, not really any new stuff. Quote: if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Belag II	Posted - 2008.10.30 22:03:00 - [137] Reverse Engineering Will we ever see it.. Where you destroy an item to get a Limited run BP or a BPO?

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