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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
201
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:05:00 -
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The OP has some very legit points.
Since that awful alliance panel I really respected The Mittani. I even had some respect for the Test Alliance people. But that was completly destroyed by that nonsense. Sorry Mittani, you seemed to be a very good CSM candidate so far, but you crossed a line here.
@Ladie Harlot: Since when is Goonswarm the "Third Reich"? I think you are clearly crossing a line here. I'm fine with what you do ingame and with many of your stupid mockings. But you are going way to far now with your comments.
Thankfully the chairman position doesn't mean much and there are over all much more respectable and sane CSM delegates left who can keep The Mittani in check. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:07:00 -
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Arcathra wrote:The OP has some very legit points.
Since that awful alliance panel I really respected The Mittani. I even had some respect for the Test Alliance people. But that was completly destroyed by that nonsense. Sorry Mittani, you seemed to be a very good CSM candidate so far, but you crossed a line here.
@Ladie Harlot: Since when is Goonswarm the "Third Reich"? I think you are clearly crossing a line here. I'm fine with what you do ingame and with many of your stupid mockings. But you are going way to far now with your comments.
Thankfully the chairman position doesn't mean much and there are over all much more respectable and sane CSM delegates left who can keep The Mittani in check. And what line was that? The one that you define your moral code? Everyone's moral code is different and yours certainly isn't mine.
~10,058~ |

Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
14
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:09:00 -
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Threatening with suicide in a game losing pixels is very pathetic.
Feeling the need to stomp upon those who do, equally so.
More singing ransoms... |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
321
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:17:00 -
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Could someone post a link to this incident?
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
203
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:19:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:If I'm right then we all have a good time mocking a stupid person. If I'm wrong then he removes himself from the gene pool.
Either way is a win for humanity. Sorry, but to encourage people to mock (from your point of view) "stupid" people and call it a "win for humanity" when they commit suicide because you mocked them is crossing a serious line here.
I understand that you Goons really like things like this, when you upset a big part of the community and laugh about it for days. I'm okay with that in general but you have to understand that you crossed a big line here. You simply are going way too far and should stop right here. There are points were this stops beeing a game. |

TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
97
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:22:00 -
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The Mittani has built himself a brand (same as any other celebrity figure), his is that of a brash, offensive super douche but it gets attention inside and outside of eve.
So what more did you expect?
Personally, I see stuff like this and just think "I see what you did there".
God I hate being in a marketing company some times :P
Anyway, If someone can be pushed to suicide by means of mails from the fanbase of a computer game, maybe humanity would be better off without them. Not saying I think that, just posing it as a point for debate. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
931
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:27:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far.
The mental unstable "person" you're talking about clearly needs a family, not an internet space ship game. You should be blaming his parents or his wife/husband, are you after them? -no, so STFU |

Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:27:00 -
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Having watched the video (didn't watch it at the time but with all these comments decided to watch it) I personally feel like the comments and impact are being blown out of proportion.
I think most people who have ever experienced depression or known someone who suffers depression know that other peoples comments don't really make any difference, positive or negative that is what makes it so hard for families and friends because they are powerless to help. The individual has to work it out for themselves.
This is a game and if your getting that worked up about it, its not really fair to hold someone else responsible for it. If I lose a ship or blow someone else's ship up playing a game and they get upset about it should I expect to become responsible for the life of that person in RL?
If someone is feeling that bad in RL they need to take responsibility and go and seek professional help for their own well-being, their family and their friends you cant blame people who you have never met playing an internet spaceship game. |

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
38
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:32:00 -
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Just a thought, but this kind of action may be construed as incitement to commit suicide?
I don't really know. However, inGAME actions? Mittani can do what he likes.
However, he made his suggestion OUT OF GAME. Fanfest is not INGAME.
Two things from that.
One: Ingame rules no longer apply - he cannot be banned because he made no ingame threat or action to incite suicide or whatever.
Two: Check Icelands laws regarding inciting others to end thier own lives. It might come under assisted suicide laws.
Regardless, it was MORALLY wrong, and 'as a joke' is a **** poor excuse for that kind of comment. |

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
203
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:35:00 -
[100] - Quote
TheBlueMonkey wrote:The Mittani has built himself a brand (same as any other celebrity figure), his is that of a brash, offensive super douche but it gets attention inside and outside of eve.
So what more did you expect?
Personally, I see stuff like this and just think "I see what you did there".
God I hate being in a marketing company some times :P
Anyway, If someone can be pushed to suicide by means of mails from the fanbase of a computer game, maybe humanity would be better off without them. Not saying I think that, just posing it as a point for debate. I understand your point I I accept the "Mittani and Goonswarm brand". I have no problem with that.
What I expect, especially from someone who represents a part of the community (no matter what part) knows were the limits are and sees when their jokes go to far. Nothing against jokes of that kind in general (some of the other mocks like that were really funny), but as I said, there is a limit. Mittani and Goonsworm crossed that line and I'm sure not out of pure evilness or something but because they lost their touch to reality to some extent. Not everything is a game. Of course it's not that easy when reality and game cross each other like in EvE.
You should understand that there are very sensible people out there. Maybe that mail wasn't real. Maybe you think that humanity would be better without them if they are that unstable. But that is an highly ethical debatte that this platform has really no place for. Things like this can happen, even to a stable person. |
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evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:36:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 goons and their alts don't agree with you.
Dear mittani ass kisser fixed it for you |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:37:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide. Why would he care about his reputation among NPC corp alts?
Obvious for anyone with half a brain ( it is obvious now goons dont belong to this group ) that behind alt hides real person/player that is smart enough to hide his in game identity to protect it self again the most powerful and at the same time emotionally immature person in EVE.
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Zsamael
Limitless Excellence
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:41:00 -
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thread TL;DR: Someone got pissed at Mittens, Goons got pissed at OP, words were said, not many lols to be found... Needz moar cake! A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go |

Enuen Ravenseye
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:50:00 -
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Valerius Anthar wrote: I'd like to chime in on this.
I suffer from clinical depression. It varies in severity based on circumstances and the given day, and will pretty much be with me for the rest of my days. I don't keep it under control by bitching and whining about it online, I do it through a mixture of happy pills, exercise, willpower, a good diet, work and routine. I have to agree with Simi that the casual use of suicide as an attention seeker or threat, especially online, only reinforces the stigma about depression not being a disease but a character "defect". People who do this trivialize what isn't trivial, and he/she deserves the abuse they received.
Ultimately, when I was at my zenith, only I could pull myself out. Only I can beat back what Churchill called "the black dog." I will graciously accept the help of family and friends but in the end it's my responsibility to manage my depression and keep buggering on. What I will not do is attempt to guilt trip others, especially strangers, into feeling sorry for me. That is simply pathetic.
Damn your perspective and logic!
I'll just add that I went through a period of severe depression myself years ago (bad breakup and consequences). It was not a good time in my life. The hardest part was bringing my family together and letting them know what was happening.
But you know what? If, at any point, I had told my family that I was considering killing myself over a ******* video game, my father would have handed me his gun and said "Don't make a mess in the house".
There's a huge difference between "cry for help" and "whining drama queen". People need to get some perspective in their lives. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
366
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:00:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 goons and their alts don't agree with you. Dear mittani ass kisser fixed it for you +1 to OP - The worse thing to happen to eve is mittani being chair of CSM. But now i cant take CSM seriously at all after that display from Mittani, I cant help laughing at him. He really is the biggest childish idiot swimming in his own self importance i have ever seen.. Oh well at least eve got alot more amusing.. You realize it wasn't just goons that voted for him, right? Six of those votes are from me, and I know a number of other people in -A-, cascade, nulli etc. that all voted for him.
Say what you like about goons, Mittani's attitude and massive douchebaggery in the face of armies of forum warrioring terribad care bears perfectly represent my views of Eve, and where I would like the game to go in the future. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1406
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:07:00 -
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Seeing as he'd just heard the bad news that all his powerbloc's moon goo faucets were getting turned off and in the future goonswarm federation is doomed either to a) obscurity or b) becoming the biggest mining alliance in eve. I feel the poor chap can be allowed a few moments of (albeit televised) drowning sorrows to wallow in the ironic straits he'd found himself. The "king of space" had gotten roped into reporting to the findings of the people's revolutionary committe and needing to put a massive spin on last years hisec ice interdictors all needing to train barges on their 2nd accounts and become targets for roving gangs in nullsec.
You have to laugh.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:08:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:evereplicant wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 goons and their alts don't agree with you. Dear mittani ass kisser fixed it for you +1 to OP - The worse thing to happen to eve is mittani being chair of CSM. But now i cant take CSM seriously at all after that display from Mittani, I cant help laughing at him. He really is the biggest childish idiot swimming in his own self importance i have ever seen.. Oh well at least eve got alot more amusing.. You realize it wasn't just goons that voted for him, right? Six of those votes are from me, and I know a number of other people in -A-, cascade, nulli etc. that all voted for him. Say what you like about goons, Mittani's attitude and massive douchebaggery in the face of armies of forum warrioring terribad care bears perfectly represent my views of Eve, and where I would like the game to go in the future.
You do realise the goons players can have other chars in -A- and every other alliance in eve? I mean theres a problem in itself 6 VOTES ARE FROM YOURSELF. I mean seriously you are allowed to have 6 votes? do you not even see a problem with that? |

Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
155
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:08:00 -
[108] - Quote
The presentation could have been a lot funnier. The reactions on the forums afterwards couldn't. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
366
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:09:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:You do realise the goons players can have other chars in -A- and every other alliance in eve?
Posting to confirm that everyone I know in every alliance I've ever been in is a goon spy. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:10:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Seeing as he'd just heard the bad news that all his powerbloc's moon goo faucets were getting turned off and in the future goonswarm federation is doomed either to a) obscurity or b) becoming the biggest mining alliance in eve. I feel the poor chap can be allowed a few moments of (albeit televised) drowning sorrows to wallow in the ironic straits he'd found himself. The "king of space" had gotten roped into reporting to the findings of the people's revolutionary committe and needing to put a massive spin on last years hisec ice interdictors all needing to train barges on their 2nd accounts and become targets for roving gangs in nullsec.
You have to laugh.
FYI, we are the biggest proponent of nerfing tech moons. |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1406
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:12:00 -
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Ivana Twinkle wrote:The presentation could have been a lot funnier. The reactions on the forums afterwards couldn't.
I liked the scottish guy with the singing ransoms and the earlier wormhole guy was pretty funny too.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Jastra
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:14:00 -
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since 16% of the population voted, perhaps if you feel incensed you should, you know, vote next time and get your corp to vote, or even, you know, stand as a candidate.
Why is anyone seriously surprised that the noisiest alliance (dunno if they are biggest) got their guy on there with the most votes. If you don't like it stand next time and get more votes than the winner, that's how elections work.
As for anything that anyone said, again, who is seriously surprised, if you are aggrieved to this extent by something said in a game forum I really think you should be outside more and be sending these letters to your MP/Congressman/Whatever about actual issues of import.
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Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
49
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:15:00 -
[113] - Quote
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide. Why would he care about his reputation among NPC corp alts? Obvious for anyone with half a brain ( it is obvious now goons dont belong to this group ) that behind alt hides real person/player that is smart enough to hide his in game identity to protect it self again the most powerful and at the same time emotionally immature person in EVE.
Over the years, I (Malcanis) have certainly pissed off any number of people on these forums. Never once, not one single time can I ever recall anyone targetting me because of it.
And if they did, I'd laugh at them like the butthurt little babbies they were, and carry right on saying what I thought was right. If they kept on doing it, I'd supertank my ships and laugh even more as the rest of my alliance used the opportunity to reap easy kills.
People who hide behind NPC alts to posts do it because they know they're making terrible posts, and they're ashamed to stand behind what they say. Man up and say your name. |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
122
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:15:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:
Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked
Future investors in CCP will disagree.
Anyway guys, just quit EVE. In the last year we've had the gold ammo scandal, introduction of MT, monocle-gate, and now the blatant corruption that exists between CCP and the CSM. |

evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:16:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:evereplicant wrote:You do realise the goons players can have other chars in -A- and every other alliance in eve?
Posting to confirm that everyone I know in every alliance I've ever been in is a goon spy.
That statement ironically is possibly true
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1406
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:18:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Seeing as he'd just heard the bad news that all his powerbloc's moon goo faucets were getting turned off and in the future goonswarm federation is doomed either to a) obscurity or b) becoming the biggest mining alliance in eve. I feel the poor chap can be allowed a few moments of (albeit televised) drowning sorrows to wallow in the ironic straits he'd found himself. The "king of space" had gotten roped into reporting to the findings of the people's revolutionary committe and needing to put a massive spin on last years hisec ice interdictors all needing to train barges on their 2nd accounts and become targets for roving gangs in nullsec.
You have to laugh.
FYI, we are the biggest proponent of nerfing tech moons.
All moons really baby. But tbh, I don't care who promotes it just as long as it gets done. Nuking that crap and turning it into a profession where real players sit in belts and take a genuine risk to make the income (while providing targets to roaming gangs) is the best change out of ccp in literally years. My paragraph above can be seen as satire if you like - as long as this still happens I'm cool with it.
I will mention that when this was suggested during CSM1 (by me and others) the then Goonswarm leader Darius Johnson went red in the face and blustered for about 20 minutes about how it would be the doom of eve and the sky would fall and it was completely insane to consider damaging the stablity (passive income aristocracy) of eve in this way.
So if Mittens genuinely is different to Darius in this way then good on him and maybe he was drinking from happiness afterall. I look forward to seeing him in his barge mining tech in nullsec and getting owned by 3 guys in bombers.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:24:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Karadion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Seeing as he'd just heard the bad news that all his powerbloc's moon goo faucets were getting turned off and in the future goonswarm federation is doomed either to a) obscurity or b) becoming the biggest mining alliance in eve. I feel the poor chap can be allowed a few moments of (albeit televised) drowning sorrows to wallow in the ironic straits he'd found himself. The "king of space" had gotten roped into reporting to the findings of the people's revolutionary committe and needing to put a massive spin on last years hisec ice interdictors all needing to train barges on their 2nd accounts and become targets for roving gangs in nullsec.
You have to laugh.
FYI, we are the biggest proponent of nerfing tech moons. All moons really baby. But tbh, I don't care who promotes it just as long as it gets done. Nuking that crap and turning it into a profession where real players sit in belts and take a genuine risk to make the income (while providing targets to roaming gangs) is the best change out of ccp in literally years. My paragraph above can be seen as satire if you like - as long as this still happens I'm cool with it. I will mention that when this was suggested during CSM1 (by me and others) the then Goonswarm leader Darius Johnson went red in the face and blustered for about 20 minutes about how it would be the doom of eve and the sky would fall and it was completely insane to consider damaging the stablity (passive income aristocracy) of eve in this way. So if Mittens genuinely is different to Darius in this way then good on him and maybe he was drinking from happiness afterall. I look forward to seeing him in his barge mining tech in nullsec and getting owned by 3 guys in bombers. Ya, Darius Johnson works at CCP now FYI. Same for Stoffer which he was Euro Goons. But you're talking about CSM1 which was almost 6 YEARS ago which is irrelevant to today's current state of the game. |

Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:25:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:I would like to call for the resignation of GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ in regards to his complete misconduct during the Fanfest 2012 Alliance Panel. Per CSM Representative Conduct article of the Council of Stellar Management, all active CSMs are bound to abide by EULA and TOS and are subject to immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion regardless of infraction. As the representative of the best of the EVE players, more stringent stance is given as they are GÇ£expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.GÇ¥
The EULA refers to actions you can take whilst using the software product: Eve Online.
Mittens was having a sit down with friends and interested strangers. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1406
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:29:00 -
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Karadion wrote:... But you're talking about CSM1 which was almost 6 YEARS ago which is irrelevant to today's current state of the game. And we're not going to be mining nor are we depending on tech moons now to provide our isk faucet. We can thank PI and our dedicated ratters for bringing in most of the taxes per month. Unlike Team Tech which they depend badly on tech moons to supply most of their isks (see Tenal, no ratters there or significant activities but all tech moons)
Well either which way its a good change and if you guys are on board with it excellent. Hopefully means we'll see the proposal fly through development with nobody stamping their feet and huffing and puffing on the csm - if it turns out I'm mistaken in believing some delegates will oppose it then I'll be very happy indeed to be proven wrong.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:29:00 -
[120] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:I would like to call for the resignation of GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ in regards to his complete misconduct during the Fanfest 2012 Alliance Panel. Per CSM Representative Conduct article of the Council of Stellar Management, all active CSMs are bound to abide by EULA and TOS and are subject to immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion regardless of infraction. As the representative of the best of the EVE players, more stringent stance is given as they are GÇ£expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.GÇ¥
The EULA refers to actions you can take whilst using the software product: Eve Online. Mittens was having a sit down with friends and interested strangers. You are being too reasonable. You have no place in this thread. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
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