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Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 05:55:00 -
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I would like to call for the resignation of GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ in regards to his complete misconduct during the Fanfest 2012 Alliance Panel. Per CSM Representative Conduct article of the Council of Stellar Management, all active CSMs are bound to abide by EULA and TOS and are subject to immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion regardless of infraction. As the representative of the best of the EVE players, more stringent stance is given as they are GÇ£expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.GÇ¥
For those who are unfamiliar with The MittaniGÇÖs misconduct, please refer to the link where he knowingly encouraged thousands of potential Fanfest viewers to send mails to an EVE player who has exhibited a history of mental instability, to provoke him to commit suicide.
CSMs are elected to exhibit the best of their behaviors, may it be in drinking, partying, or playing, EVE, but knowingly encouraging other players to take part in a possible suicide of a player in front of thousands of EVE and non-EVE audiences crosses boundaries.
When asked to answer for his misconduct, he only gave a nonchalant answer. He should have been begging on his knees, apologizing for his childish behavior.
For the future of the CSM, please consider his resignation. |

Kehro Urgus
186
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Posted - 2012.03.26 05:59:00 -
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His birth certificate is a forgery too. You know what you find in a sandbox? Sand and cat poo. |

Sendo Jarix
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:00:00 -
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tldr turbonigger |

Endeavour Starfleet
728
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:00:00 -
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-1
Stop whining. He acted fine |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:02:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine
Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?"
Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. |

Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
226
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:03:00 -
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I WANT NO FUN IN MY VIRTUAL PLAYLAND |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
526
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:04:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
For the future of the CSM, please consider his resigniation.
wait wouldn't it be mittens who would be asked to consider his resignation?
lol |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2175
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:04:00 -
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Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 people don't agree with you. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2175
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:05:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far.
Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:07:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
it doesn't matter if I am an alt or CEO of Pendamic Legion. I am expressing my concern as a valid subscriber of this game. I pay plex for this game. You pay plex for this game. An alt or a nobody i may be, but i am entitled with same right as others. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2176
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:09:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked. it doesn't matter if I am an alt or CEO of Pendamic Legion. I am expressing my concern as a valid subscriber of this game. I pay plex for this game. You pay plex for this game. An alt or a nobody i may be, but i am entitled with same right as others.
If you were serious about it you wouldn't be posting on an alt.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6336
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:10:00 -
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You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2176
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:10:00 -
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Also,
Likes received: 0 The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Zombatar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:11:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
You are a silly excuse for a human being. Such behaviour is unacceptable. It represents CCP, the community, and not all agree with this crap. |

Zombatar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:12:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
Please don't feed the troll. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:13:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide. |

Pseudo Ucksth
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
97
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:13:00 -
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Dunked by mittens.
~Constituents~ |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2176
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:14:00 -
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Zombatar wrote: You are a silly excuse for a human being. Such behaviour is unacceptable. It represents CCP, the community, and not all agree with this crap.
If you don't agree with mocking stupid people then don't do it. It's not like he was forcing you to do anything.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:14:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Also,
Likes received: 0
You see? this is always a joke for you. We are not playing a "like" contest here, but to question the Mittani's ability to lead CSM in a most respectable manner. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2176
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:15:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide.
Why would he care about his reputation among NPC corp alts?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:16:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked. it doesn't matter if I am an alt or CEO of Pendamic Legion. I am expressing my concern as a valid subscriber of this game. I pay plex for this game. You pay plex for this game. An alt or a nobody i may be, but i am entitled with same right as others.
And we're entitled to use our payment to mock you for being dumb. |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
488
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:16:00 -
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Today class... we learn that morality is but a mere construct and is not shared by everyone. We will also learn that it is entirely possible to be completely amoral whilst breaking no actual law. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2177
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:17:00 -
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It's not immoral to mock stupid people. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
25
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:18:00 -
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A whiny mail from a drama queen attempting to make Goonswarm feel guilty over some veldspar is not a suicide attempt nor is it worth ten threads |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:18:00 -
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Kerensky White wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked. it doesn't matter if I am an alt or CEO of Pendamic Legion. I am expressing my concern as a valid subscriber of this game. I pay plex for this game. You pay plex for this game. An alt or a nobody i may be, but i am entitled with same right as others. And we're entitled to use our payment to mock you for being dumb.
It's most likely that if a no name player like me incites thousands of players in EVE Online to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide, I will be banned by CCP without question.
But since it's Mittani the Great, I suppose he's excused? What kind of bullshit logic is this? |

Dutarro
Matari Munitions The Fendahlian Collective
36
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:21:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people.
It's not quite immoral, but it is stooping quite low. |

Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:27:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: Rage
Sounds like someone who either didn't make it on the CSM, or did not get the chairmanship. Your post is too coherent to be Xenuria, tho...
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DarthNefarius
102
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:28:00 -
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LOL i HEARD MITTENS GOT A bj FROM mONICA LEWENSKI TOO Impeach his arse !!!! Isn't it a requiement of CSM to live in a basement & be a neckbeard? Sorry Mittens you don't qualify as being enough of a geek :)       To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2177
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:30:00 -
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Dutarro wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. It's not quite immoral, but it is stooping quite low.
What's really low is pretending to be suicidal to garner sympathy in a video game. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2177
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:31:00 -
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Every post you make is more incomprehensible than the last. How much spittle flies from your lips when you slam your fingers against your keyboard in such an angry manner?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
241
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:31:00 -
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Anyone know what link the OP is on about? |

Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
359
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:35:00 -
[32] - Quote
Hi hello, welcome to EVE-Online, the internet spaceship sandbox MMORPG. You seem to be new here. |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:38:00 -
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i agree w/ da OP |

Aggressive Nutmeg
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:39:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Hi hello, welcome to EVE-Online, the internet spaceship sandbox MMORPG. You seem to be new here. Another forum bot. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |

Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:42:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Anyone know what link the OP is on about? Yes, but it'd probably bore the hell out of you to read it. You'll find a thread by Blawrf McTaggart over on another forum (that isn't allowed to be mentioned here) which covers the topic.
This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
Someday, this signature may save my life. |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
241
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:46:00 -
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Largo Coronet wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Anyone know what link the OP is on about? Yes, but it'd probably bore the hell out of you to read it. You'll find a thread by Blawrf McTaggart over on another forum (that isn't allowed to be mentioned here) which covers the topic.
Ah well, I was wondering there where any laughs to be had at Xenurias expense in the link. |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
58
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:52:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Is it ok that because he's the head of CSM, that he can do whatever he wants?
It's not like his post actually means anything. I mean, the fact that someone who considers it a reasonable act to encourage bullying people to suicide is heading the CSM pretty much proves how much of a joke that "office" really is.
You really think that he is holding an office of importance? That his actions reflect poorly upon anything but him? I think that's taking things a bit too seriously. Why get worked up over this CSM crap? Seriously **** him, **** them, **** the CSM if that's what it's about. I'm just going to keep playing this game as if nothing Mittens did or said meant **** all to me...which is basically how it is.
He's an interesting pop celebrity that every once in a while makes the news in some humorous way. He's akin to Mel Gibson ranting about Jews and ****...and he's just as relevant.
Now, if the CSM actually wants to be relevant and provide something that should be taken seriously by anyone...I'd expect that he'd apologize or be booted off the panel, yeah. But you know...just as everyone supporting his statements wants us to believe...it's all a bunch of bullshit and the people who care about it are idiots to be laughed at. Not being one to continue on a path of idiocy, I say...who gives a ****. Let the CSM be made the mockery that it truly is. |

Dutarro
Matari Munitions The Fendahlian Collective
36
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:36:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:
What's really low is pretending to be suicidal to garner sympathy in a video game.
Are you absolutely sure the person is just pretending? Maybe they are, but it is really not worth the chance; even a 1% increase in the chance that someone actually kills himself is not worth scoring PR points my mocking him. There are plenty of other targets, why not make fun of Rick Santorum or something?
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Captain Stupid
The Jeremy Kyle Holding Pen
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:42:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Also,
Likes received: 0 You see? this is always a joke for you. We are not playing a "like" contest here, but to question the Mittani's ability to lead CSM in a most respectable manner.
Mittani, and respectable, in the same sentence.
I think we should end the thread now.
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
64
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:44:00 -
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This is sweet.
When can we rename this game "4Chan Online with added spaceships" Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2179
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:46:00 -
[41] - Quote
Dutarro wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
What's really low is pretending to be suicidal to garner sympathy in a video game.
Are you absolutely sure the person is just pretending? Maybe they are, but it is really not worth the chance; even a 1% increase in the chance that someone actually kills himself is not worth scoring PR points my mocking him. There are plenty of other targets, why not make fun of Rick Santorum or something?
If I'm right then we all have a good time mocking a stupid person. If I'm wrong then he removes himself from the gene pool.
Either way is a win for humanity.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
527
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:46:00 -
[42] - Quote
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:This is sweet.
When can we rename this game "4Chan Online with added spaceships" yeah when can we, subs would probably triple |

Damion Rayne
Dark-Rising
33
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:55:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
In my opinion, you should have never been allowed to even apply for the CSM. Teamwork.. Maturity.. Tactics.. www.tacticalgamer.com |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
34
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:56:00 -
[44] - Quote
Damion Rayne wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ In my opinion, you should have never been allowed to even apply for the CSM.
In my opinion...
http://i.imgur.com/EDUmw.gif |

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
127
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:57:00 -
[45] - Quote
I may not condone what Mittens said, but seriously mate, if you want to be taken seriously, post with your main.
You are trying to be all 'forum warrior', but you post with a 6day old char (at the time of my post) who has a post history that is entirely made up of posts in this thread and this gem from another thread -
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:These r just internet ships.
I want alliance tournament ships from buying plex.
Thats pretty lame, and not supprising that nobody is taking you seriously.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |

Dutarro
Matari Munitions The Fendahlian Collective
36
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:58:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:[quote=Dutarro]
If I'm right then we all have a good time mocking a stupid person. If I'm wrong then he removes himself from the gene pool.
Either way is a win for humanity.
No, any ideology that "removes bad elements from the gene pool" is not a win for humanity. It's an embarrassment for which future generations have to make amends.
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Digital Messiah
Claymore Inc
145
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:10:00 -
[47] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ There are certain things that I respect about you mittani. If we are in fact talking about grothmore or what ever. Than I see it as self defense "I have your number, I HAVE YOUR NUMBER". Everyone enjoys their stalkers to not be around. But the op has a valid point. And having wondered myself if I have ever driven someone to suicide. I can see why he is upset. I suppose it doesn't matter though. There are youtube channels with more fans. And because of that you won't need a PR campaign for this to be dismissed.
Btw I didn't vote for you. Congratulations all the same however. Now get rid of drone poo so people will be interested in that part of null more. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" Enter a Heroic Era Today |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:13:00 -
[48] - Quote
All I got from this was.. A bloo bloo bloo. |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
104
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:14:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people.
If indeed the person in question was suffering from mental health issues, then the actions you're defending are not even remotely funny.
You do spend a lot of time defending the Mittani in threads, so much so that it is noticeable. There's no law against defending the Mittani of course, but I just wonder if he gives you a bonus.
The more replys I see from the Mittani the more I tend to think he's not a person of good character. |

Kehro Urgus
186
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:17:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. If indeed the person in question was suffering from mental health issues, then the actions you're defending are not even remotely funny. You do spend a lot of time defending the Mittani in threads, so much so that it is noticeable. There's no law against defending the Mittani of course, but I just wonder if he gives you a bonus. The more replys I see from the Mittani the more I tend to think he's not a person of good character.
I heard he is a lawyer. You know what you find in a sandbox? Sand and cat poo. |
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:19:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. If indeed the person in question was suffering from mental health issues, then the actions you're defending are not even remotely funny. You do spend a lot of time defending the Mittani in threads, so much so that it is noticeable. There's no law against defending the Mittani of course, but I just wonder if he gives you a bonus. The more replys I see from the Mittani the more I tend to think he's not a person of good character. And? Morality is subjective to interpretation. For example, take torture and compare it to Enhanced Interrogation Techniques. EIT preserves the life of the person to possibly stop a ticking bomb scenario whereas torture is outright destroying the person regardless of the consequences for a certain gain or subjecting population to control. Nonetheless, my morality compass so to speak is very different from yours. If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions. |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
104
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:21:00 -
[52] - Quote
Kehro Urgus wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. If indeed the person in question was suffering from mental health issues, then the actions you're defending are not even remotely funny. You do spend a lot of time defending the Mittani in threads, so much so that it is noticeable. There's no law against defending the Mittani of course, but I just wonder if he gives you a bonus. The more replys I see from the Mittani the more I tend to think he's not a person of good character. I heard he is a lawyer. 
There's good and bad lawyers both in attitude and/or what they know.
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Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
18
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:21:00 -
[53] - Quote
I just detest suicide. I had a friend blow his head off with a 7mm magnum cause some girl wouldn't be his. Lost a couple more friends cause a gay guy like Mittani convinced them to committ suicide to cover up that he talked them into gay sex. All kind of friends drink and drug themselves to death another friend waled out in front of a train after complaining for months that her medication couldn't be afforded. Then their was the guy that drowned himself in near beer.
I'm sure a lot of people have had similar experiences. Maybe some it makes angry. I know it pisses me off when they die like that. A lot of them were like Mittani, a lot were the salt of the Earth. You would think that the world would be a better place without Mittanis but we need this cause it can actually bring out the best in us. We can see it for what it is and maybe see a bit of it in ourselves. If were lucky we can change. Maybe Mittens can't . He looks like he's sicker than before. His disease marches on. Perhaps we should root gfor him to die. Eve would certainly be a better place but I won't be doing that cause I know to live would be more pain.
So Mittens, i wish you long life. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
527
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:28:00 -
[54] - Quote
lol |

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
97
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:30:00 -
[55] - Quote
GUD POASTIGN IN ANUTHR BED THRED!!! |

Kehro Urgus
186
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:33:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. If indeed the person in question was suffering from mental health issues, then the actions you're defending are not even remotely funny. You do spend a lot of time defending the Mittani in threads, so much so that it is noticeable. There's no law against defending the Mittani of course, but I just wonder if he gives you a bonus. The more replys I see from the Mittani the more I tend to think he's not a person of good character. I heard he is a lawyer.  There's good and bad lawyers both in attitude and/or what they know.
I haven't seen any of the FF footage but I'd laugh if a libel suit came out of this.
You know what you find in a sandbox? Sand and cat poo. |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
104
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:35:00 -
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Karadion wrote:[If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions.
You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game.
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:39:00 -
[58] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:[If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions. You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? My moral code is far different from your moral code. You are not allowed to define what my moral code is and that's a fact of life. Morality has always been subjective to interpretation and how we define things to be good and bad on a case by case basis. For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day.
"I'm going to kill myself." "Okay. And?" |

Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.03.26 08:53:00 -
[59] - Quote
personally i had a good laugh from that presentation.
I think mocking people for their dumb choices and other stupid **** they do in this horrible game, that they take so seriously, is a right thing to do.
Let us be honest. If some guy just tells you privately, that what you do is dumb and you are idiot and you need help, then you will just ignore him, or whatever. Nothing will change. If you get humiliated publicly however, then you might actually get the point and be motivated enough to actually change. Or not. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
104
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:03:00 -
[60] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:[If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions. You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? My moral code is far different from your moral code. You are not allowed to define what my moral code is and that's a fact of life. Morality has always been subjective to interpretation and how we define things to be good and bad on a case by case basis. For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day. "I'm going to kill myself." "Okay. And?"
From what you've written, I take it Karadion is probably an alt of the Mittani?
If your actions goaded someone into doing something then you are at least partially responsible for the outcome. It's not just about someone making poor decisions some people can be influenced by others and in the case of people with mental health issues they're even more vulnerable.
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Ch3244
Azule Dragoons Sspectre
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:09:00 -
[61] - Quote
lol didn't realize so many carebears existed |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:11:00 -
[62] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:[If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions. You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? My moral code is far different from your moral code. You are not allowed to define what my moral code is and that's a fact of life. Morality has always been subjective to interpretation and how we define things to be good and bad on a case by case basis. For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day. "I'm going to kill myself." "Okay. And?" From what you've written, I take it Karadion is probably an alt of the Mittani? If your actions goaded someone into doing something then you are at least partially responsible for the outcome. It's not just about someone making poor decisions some people can be influenced by others and in the case of people with mental health issues they're even more vulnerable. I did not pick the outcome or their threat therefore I am not responsible. These people make those choices out of their own doing. Say the bank does a foreclosure on your house and you threaten to kill yourself because you failed to pay your mortgage, why is it the bank's fault? Are you saying that the bank should just back off and let the person keep his home because his life is a good bargaining chip against anyone? "Sorry, Todd. I'm leaving you." "You turbonigger *****, I'm going to kill myself if you leave". My friend had her boyfriend did that to her and I told her to leave anyways. She's not responsible no differently than I am responsible for some douchebag that threatens to kill themselves because I scammed them out of their possessions.
And yes, you have discovered who I really am. An alt of The Mittani. |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
377
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:24:00 -
[63] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:[If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions. You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? My moral code is far different from your moral code. You are not allowed to define what my moral code is and that's a fact of life. Morality has always been subjective to interpretation and how we define things to be good and bad on a case by case basis. For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day. "I'm going to kill myself." "Okay. And?" From what you've written, I take it Karadion is probably an alt of the Mittani? If your actions goaded someone into doing something then you are at least partially responsible for the outcome. It's not just about someone making poor decisions some people can be influenced by others and in the case of people with mental health issues they're even more vulnerable. I did not pick the outcome or their threat therefore I am not responsible. These people make those choices out of their own doing. Say the bank does a foreclosure on your house and you threaten to kill yourself because you failed to pay your mortgage, why is it the bank's fault? Are you saying that the bank should just back off and let the person keep his home because his life is a good bargaining chip against anyone? "Sorry, Todd. I'm leaving you." "You turbonigger *****, I'm going to kill myself if you leave". My friend had her boyfriend did that to her and I told her to leave anyways. She's not responsible no differently than I am responsible for some douchebag that threatens to kill themselves because I scammed them out of their possessions. And yes, you have discovered who I really am. An alt of The Mittani.
hahahaha
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Azami Nevinyrall
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
29
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:27:00 -
[64] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:I would like to call for the resignation of GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ in regards to his complete misconduct during the Fanfest 2012 Alliance Panel. Per CSM Representative Conduct article of the Council of Stellar Management, all active CSMs are bound to abide by EULA and TOS and are subject to immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion regardless of infraction. As the representative of the best of the EVE players, more stringent stance is given as they are GÇ£expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.GÇ¥
For those who are unfamiliar with The MittaniGÇÖs misconduct, please refer to the link where he knowingly encouraged thousands of potential Fanfest viewers to send mails to an EVE player who has exhibited a history of mental instability, to provoke him to commit suicide.
CSMs are elected to exhibit the best of their behaviors, may it be in drinking, partying, or playing, EVE, but knowingly encouraging other players to take part in a possible suicide of a player in front of thousands of EVE and non-EVE audiences crosses boundaries.
When asked to answer for his misconduct, he only gave a nonchalant answer. He should have been begging on his knees, apologizing for his childish behavior. If a no-name player like me incites thousands of EVE Online players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide, I would be banned by CCP. By the tone of his postings, he is completely unapologetic of his misconduct. Is it ok that because he's the head of CSM, that he can do whatever he wants?
For the future of the CSM, please consider the dismissal of The Mittani from CSM. I would have to agree, but this idea will go as far as my ability to pick up an elephant and throw it.
I found it funny that every single non EVE player criticized CCP (that I know of who seen the CSM and Alliance panels) for allowing such actions. ESP when mittens is a representative of CCP. (local group watched it live at a bar with about 50-60 non-EVE players.) None of them were impressed.
I also strongly believe that representing players does not include, getting drunk at a panel, insulting players, publicly flogging players and showing chat logs of such...just to name a few.
Hell, during the Alliance panel, the CCP employee was hiding in the corner and staying away from camera shot during Mittens "speach"
Not cool, not impessed. If he at least acted respectful towards other players then I would've called this a ***** and whine thread. I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens... |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
365
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:30:00 -
[65] - Quote
Ch3244 wrote:lol didn't realize so many carebears existed Welcome to the world of warcraft Eve Online forums.
Also, have any of you fine gentlemen got a link to this video? It sounds hilarious. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:30:00 -
[66] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens... Good luck with that.
~10,058~ |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
377
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:33:00 -
[67] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens... Good luck with that. ~10,058~
For you, I am going to join GoonWaffe under the guise of a completely new character, climb my way to the top and usurp you. Seeya in a few years!
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:36:00 -
[68] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Karadion wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens... Good luck with that. ~10,058~ For you, I am going to join GoonWaffe under the guise of a completely new character, climb my way to the top and usurp you. Seeya in a few years! Sure thing. See you then.
~10,058~ |

Rukia Taika
Allied Operations Jokers Wild.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:43:00 -
[69] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:[If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions. You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? My moral code is far different from your moral code. You are not allowed to define what my moral code is and that's a fact of life. Morality has always been subjective to interpretation and how we define things to be good and bad on a case by case basis. For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day. "I'm going to kill myself." "Okay. And?"
you know that you are only making yourself look stupid here the further this goes. but wishing harm on another human being is just wrong. moral fiber is something insubstantial but how we are raised in respecting one another but it comes down to this is a game. Mittens is a CSM and has violated several rules that can get him removed as a CSM.
Being a lawyer he should have realized the implications of what would happen before he opened moth and shoved his **** stained foot in/ and the Goons show their support for mittens it only truely shows the people who you truely are.
Karma comes an goes good an bad all will get their just rewards in the end |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:49:00 -
[70] - Quote
Rukia Taika wrote:Karadion wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:[If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions. You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? My moral code is far different from your moral code. You are not allowed to define what my moral code is and that's a fact of life. Morality has always been subjective to interpretation and how we define things to be good and bad on a case by case basis. For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day. "I'm going to kill myself." "Okay. And?" you know that you are only making yourself look stupid here the further this goes. but wishing harm on another human being is just wrong. moral fiber is something insubstantial but how we are raised in respecting one another but it comes down to this is a game. Mittens is a CSM and has violated several rules that can get him removed as a CSM. Being a lawyer he should have realized the implications of what would happen before he opened moth and shoved his **** stained foot in/ and the Goons show their support for mittens it only truely shows the people who you truely are. Karma comes an goes good an bad all will get their just rewards in the end Where did I wish harm on another human being? Nowhere. I am not responsible for their own decisions that they've made. The world will move on still even if a person killed themselves. Foreclosure, bankrupty, divorce, breaking up, economic situations, getting fired, getting laid off, etc all affects everyone one way or another. It's to each own person to decide how they will proceed from that point on and if they decide that suicide becomes a bargaining chip, they are mentallyfucked in the head and it's not my fault at all. Suicide is not and should never be a bargaining chip to force people to go their way.
Now contrast this to your idea of consequences, we are always attached to the consequences of being associated with an event whether we are directly involved or not. If we must attach responsibility to everything in our actions in life, then we'd live in a shittyass world where we don't move on and progress.
Get this in your head. The world will always move on and it certainly doesn't care about you. |
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Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
410
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:52:00 -
[71] - Quote
I hope you all kill yourselves. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |

Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
58
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:55:00 -
[72] - Quote
OP, go back to WoW, as your name suggests. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
366
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:56:00 -
[73] - Quote
Karadion wrote:It's to each own person to decide how they will proceed from that point on and if they decide that suicide becomes a bargaining chip, they are mentallyfucked in the head and it's not my fault at all. Suicide is not and should never be a bargaining chip to force people to go their way. This.
"Zomg I'll kill myself", is not an argument to be taken seriously. To allow threats of such action to negatively impact gameplay, and for such threats to be protected and legitimized by CCP, is simply wrong. And, quite frankly, it is demeaning and belittling to those genuinely suffering from depression.
Threatening to kill yourself is not a bargaining chip to be used to stop people pestering you in an online game, it is not our responsibility to investigate the validity or seriousness of his threats of self harm and it is certainly not CCP's place to protect him from us.
Quite simply I'm glad CCP haven't had a knee jerk reaction to this, as many other games publishers would have. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

EL TITAN
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
8
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:04:00 -
[74] - Quote
In eve griefing is fun. I attended Fanfest and this particular event. (i also won a playstation but thats another story!)
His speech was funny, of this i have no doubt as people were laughing throughout!
Funny it maybe - attempting to gather support for a mass act of bullying is pretty ****** (expecially when it can lead to death)
However, i dont think that this was really the point. the point was proberly to get people wound up and effectively be trolled!
My opinion is that this is a successfull troll and nothing more, but hey.
smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast.
Titan |

Valerius Anthar
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:06:00 -
[75] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Karadion wrote:It's to each own person to decide how they will proceed from that point on and if they decide that suicide becomes a bargaining chip, they are mentallyfucked in the head and it's not my fault at all. Suicide is not and should never be a bargaining chip to force people to go their way. This. "Zomg I'll kill myself", is not an argument to be taken seriously. To allow threats of such action to negatively impact gameplay, and for such threats to be protected and legitimized by CCP, is simply wrong. And, quite frankly, it is demeaning and belittling to those genuinely suffering from depression. Threatening to kill yourself is not a bargaining chip to be used to stop people pestering you in an online game, it is not our responsibility to investigate the validity or seriousness of his threats of self harm and it is certainly not CCP's place to protect him from us. Quite simply I'm glad CCP haven't had a knee jerk reaction to this, as many other games publishers would have.
I'd like to chime in on this.
I suffer from clinical depression. It varies in severity based on circumstances and the given day, and will pretty much be with me for the rest of my days. I don't keep it under control by bitching and whining about it online, I do it through a mixture of happy pills, exercise, willpower, a good diet, work and routine. I have to agree with Simi that the casual use of suicide as an attention seeker or threat, especially online, only reinforces the stigma about depression not being a disease but a character "defect". People who do this trivialize what isn't trivial, and he/she deserves the abuse they received.
Ultimately, when I was at my zenith, only I could pull myself out. Only I can beat back what Churchill called "the black dog." I will graciously accept the help of family and friends but in the end it's my responsibility to manage my depression and keep buggering on. What I will not do is attempt to guilt trip others, especially strangers, into feeling sorry for me. That is simply pathetic. |

Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
28
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:16:00 -
[76] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:He should have been begging on his knees... I think you've been spending too much time begging on your knees. Pushing back, harder, and harder. Moaning for more. Blind from your own sweat. Look at your freaking eyes!
At least the self-proclaimed King of Space doesn't hide behind an alt. And if he did he would troll better than you. |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
106
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:17:00 -
[77] - Quote
Karadion wrote: I did not pick the outcome or their threat therefore I am not responsible. These people make those choices out of their own doing.
You can influence the outcome of a threat and if you do that you're partially responsible.
Karadion wrote: Say the bank does a foreclosure on your house and you threaten to kill yourself because you failed to pay your mortgage, why is it the bank's fault? Are you saying that the bank should just back off and let the person keep his home because his life is a good bargaining chip against anyone?
It's not the banks fault and in a lot of cases it may not be the person who pays the mortgage's fault either. Circumstances maybe preventing them from being able to pay. Banks do try to help if they can (how far depends on the bank and country), but banks have to take a tough line in the end because if they didn't people would scam them. But I'd hope that if they suspected someone was at real risk of harming themselves they would notify the right authority (not all countries may have a system for dealing with this, that I can't say).
Karadion wrote: "Sorry, Todd. I'm leaving you." "You turbonigger *****, I'm going to kill myself if you leave". My friend had her boyfriend did that to her and I told her to leave anyways. She's not responsible
Emotional blackmail never works in the long run and your advice might have been correct depending on the circumstances. But if you really think that your partner would harm themselves then it would be wise to get someone they know well to talk to them (might help put things into perspective) if you're not getting through to them.
Karadion wrote: no differently than I am responsible for some douchebag that threatens to kill themselves because I scammed them out of their possessions.
If you're playing in-game using game mechanics (scamming is allowed) then you can't be held responsible. However, your actions after the scam could be viewed differently depending on what they were. |

Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
30
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:18:00 -
[78] - Quote
**** this PC bullshit. It was a joke in poor taste, last time I checked that's not a crime. And to be frank, if someone actually kills themselves over this then good riddance. http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/ http://binaerpilot.no/ GMU d-(---)pu s+++:-- a-- C++++$ U>+++ P+ L+ E---- W+++$ w PS+++ PE-- Y++ PGP-- t+ tv-- b+ D++ G e- h r++ y+* |

Azami Nevinyrall
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
30
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:21:00 -
[79] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Karadion wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens... Good luck with that. ~10,058~ For you, I am going to join GoonWaffe under the guise of a completely new character, climb my way to the top and usurp you. Seeya in a few years! Sure thing. See you then. ~10,058~ EVE Online is really just a sea of alts, (which explains ~10,058~) How do you know exactly who is in your Corps/Alliances? ESP when anyone can make a virtual idenity of anyone they choose.
How do you know FOR SURE that there isn't such a new system in the works. I don't think CCP tells the CSM everything.
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T'hena Kha'tek
Austudy The Welfare State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:22:00 -
[80] - Quote
And just to add to that, I don't think you realise how long The Mitani is going to be around, with this kind of backing from CFC and alt accounts he could be chairmen for a very long time, unless enough alliances merge togther to take out Deklien and the surrounding Goons space, then they probably will regroup in a Npc station and start again. I suggest you get use to the idea that Mitt's will be around for a very long time as a Chairmen until he gets bored with it or passes it on to his righthand man Whoever that is?? Love him or hate him he is here for another 12 months possibly, 6 terms straight I would say as there is no rules governing the maximum number of terms a Chairmen can have. Only way is to eat away at his voter base and that ain't going to happen as these Goons buggers have been around for a long time and adapted pretty well from their early days. Anyway Ive leanr't dont fight go with it, its completly out of your control unless you manage to get a 15000 fleet together to take out all of goons and test, Would take years anyway and by the time you win the game will be well and truly on its last legs 
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Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:25:00 -
[81] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Karadion wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:I can't wait when CCP will have a new system in place that'll prevent GSF from having all their players and alts vote for mittens... Good luck with that. ~10,058~ For you, I am going to join GoonWaffe under the guise of a completely new character, climb my way to the top and usurp you. Seeya in a few years! You do understand, that instead you will fall in love with goons, and eventually become one of them, and in the few years you will be bad posting on these forums calling out pubbies and their stupidity? Thats actually how goonswarm grows. People hate goons, they infiltrate goons, they become goons. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:25:00 -
[82] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote: I did not pick the outcome or their threat therefore I am not responsible. These people make those choices out of their own doing.
It's not the banks fault and in a lot of cases it may not be the person who pays the mortgage's fault either. Circumstances maybe preventing them from being able to pay. Banks do try to help if they can (how far depends on the bank and country), but banks have to take a tough line in the end because if they didn't people would scam them. But I'd hope that if they suspected someone was at real risk of harming themselves they would notify the right authority (not all countries may have a system for dealing with this, that I can't say).
Emotional blackmail never works in the long run and your advice might have been correct depending on the circumstances. But if you really think that your partner would harm themselves then it would be wise to get someone they know well to talk to them (might help put things into perspective) if you're not getting through to them.
You can influence the outcome of a threat and if you do that you're partially responsible.
If you're playing in-game using game mechanics (scamming is allowed) then you can't be held responsible. However, your actions after the scam could be viewed differently depending on what they were.
No, I am not. I did not force them to make that choice. I did not put those thoughts in their head. I did nothing. The consequences of thinking that is their own doing and certainly not my problem.
Again doesn't matter. You're trying to create a strawman argument by inserting supposed extenuating circumstances to modify the argument. Black and white, the bank forecloses on your house, they take the house. They are not responsible for anything else past they were allowed and capable of doing.
Again not my problem if they threaten to kill themselves and I am certainly not responsible for arranging anything to help prevent the situation. And if they do kill themselves, that's it and I don't care.
You are a moral objectivist. You think it is imperative for EVERYONE to intervene into situation regardless of their connections to another person's actions or not. I see a crime happening across the street but my own best interest is to stay out of it because I do not want to create a situation where I will bring harm to myself. I could intervene by calling 9/11 to allow law enforcement to stop it but I am not required to do so. Self-interest takes priority over other people.
The reality is that we die and the world moves on. That's the cold harsh truth. |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:32:00 -
[83] - Quote
I love poking fun of The Mittani, for in-game things like the CSM elections.
But what you are describing is an out of game acts with possible criminal charges. As certain countries like the United States have made this kind of behavior a criminal offense as far as Iceland goes no idea.
So 1) It can't be that bad he hasn't been arrested. 2) As it borders on a criminal code and is out of game, it is not something for these forums or CCP to decide.
Please leave real life out of the game.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
666
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:33:00 -
[84] - Quote
He gives a f... about other players opinion in this mabe for sure.  |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
366
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:45:00 -
[85] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:He gives a f... about other players opinion in this mabe for sure.  I'm sure he weeps silently to himself at night, unable to burn the OP's harsh words from his mind.
T'hena Kha'tek wrote:Only way is to eat away at his voter base and that ain't going to happen as these Goons buggers have been around for a long time and adapted pretty well from their early days. Anyway Ive leanr't dont fight go with it, its completly out of your control unless you manage to get a 15000 fleet together to take out all of goons and test, Would take years anyway and by the time you win the game will be well and truly on its last legs  Quoting to confirm it would take a 15,000 man fleet to fight goons. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Lord Pestilence
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:46:00 -
[86] - Quote
Mittani should be held liable to his words. That he still finds this funny and only states: "deal with it!" as a reponse, just shows his true character more clearly.
I encourage everyone to petition this to CCP if you feel Mittani crossed the line in this matter.
In the end i would like to quote:
"CSM Representative Conduct
Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow." |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
106
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 10:48:00 -
[87] - Quote
Karadion wrote: Self-interest takes priority over other people.
And you are the chair of the CSM  |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
366
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 10:49:00 -
[88] - Quote
Lord Pestilence wrote:"CSM Representative Conduct
Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow." I think the issue is that you don't sign an EULA or ToS to go to fan fest and speak publicly.
Out of game actions: surprisingly not governed by CCP. Although it'd be grand if they could nerf my neighbor's Lamborghini. Then buff the IT industry so I can afford one myself.
Wait, CCP for government? -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 10:55:00 -
[89] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote: Self-interest takes priority over other people.
And you are the chair of the CSM  And?
~10,058~ |

Alhezhar Alabyd al-Mu'minin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 10:55:00 -
[90] - Quote
I fully agree with every statement in this thread including those which contradict each other. |
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
201
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:05:00 -
[91] - Quote
The OP has some very legit points.
Since that awful alliance panel I really respected The Mittani. I even had some respect for the Test Alliance people. But that was completly destroyed by that nonsense. Sorry Mittani, you seemed to be a very good CSM candidate so far, but you crossed a line here.
@Ladie Harlot: Since when is Goonswarm the "Third Reich"? I think you are clearly crossing a line here. I'm fine with what you do ingame and with many of your stupid mockings. But you are going way to far now with your comments.
Thankfully the chairman position doesn't mean much and there are over all much more respectable and sane CSM delegates left who can keep The Mittani in check. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:07:00 -
[92] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:The OP has some very legit points.
Since that awful alliance panel I really respected The Mittani. I even had some respect for the Test Alliance people. But that was completly destroyed by that nonsense. Sorry Mittani, you seemed to be a very good CSM candidate so far, but you crossed a line here.
@Ladie Harlot: Since when is Goonswarm the "Third Reich"? I think you are clearly crossing a line here. I'm fine with what you do ingame and with many of your stupid mockings. But you are going way to far now with your comments.
Thankfully the chairman position doesn't mean much and there are over all much more respectable and sane CSM delegates left who can keep The Mittani in check. And what line was that? The one that you define your moral code? Everyone's moral code is different and yours certainly isn't mine.
~10,058~ |

Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:09:00 -
[93] - Quote
Threatening with suicide in a game losing pixels is very pathetic.
Feeling the need to stomp upon those who do, equally so.
More singing ransoms... |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
321
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:17:00 -
[94] - Quote
Could someone post a link to this incident?
|

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
203
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:19:00 -
[95] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:If I'm right then we all have a good time mocking a stupid person. If I'm wrong then he removes himself from the gene pool.
Either way is a win for humanity. Sorry, but to encourage people to mock (from your point of view) "stupid" people and call it a "win for humanity" when they commit suicide because you mocked them is crossing a serious line here.
I understand that you Goons really like things like this, when you upset a big part of the community and laugh about it for days. I'm okay with that in general but you have to understand that you crossed a big line here. You simply are going way too far and should stop right here. There are points were this stops beeing a game. |

TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
97
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:22:00 -
[96] - Quote
The Mittani has built himself a brand (same as any other celebrity figure), his is that of a brash, offensive super douche but it gets attention inside and outside of eve.
So what more did you expect?
Personally, I see stuff like this and just think "I see what you did there".
God I hate being in a marketing company some times :P
Anyway, If someone can be pushed to suicide by means of mails from the fanbase of a computer game, maybe humanity would be better off without them. Not saying I think that, just posing it as a point for debate. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
931
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:27:00 -
[97] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far.
The mental unstable "person" you're talking about clearly needs a family, not an internet space ship game. You should be blaming his parents or his wife/husband, are you after them? -no, so STFU |

Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:27:00 -
[98] - Quote
Having watched the video (didn't watch it at the time but with all these comments decided to watch it) I personally feel like the comments and impact are being blown out of proportion.
I think most people who have ever experienced depression or known someone who suffers depression know that other peoples comments don't really make any difference, positive or negative that is what makes it so hard for families and friends because they are powerless to help. The individual has to work it out for themselves.
This is a game and if your getting that worked up about it, its not really fair to hold someone else responsible for it. If I lose a ship or blow someone else's ship up playing a game and they get upset about it should I expect to become responsible for the life of that person in RL?
If someone is feeling that bad in RL they need to take responsibility and go and seek professional help for their own well-being, their family and their friends you cant blame people who you have never met playing an internet spaceship game. |

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:32:00 -
[99] - Quote
Just a thought, but this kind of action may be construed as incitement to commit suicide?
I don't really know. However, inGAME actions? Mittani can do what he likes.
However, he made his suggestion OUT OF GAME. Fanfest is not INGAME.
Two things from that.
One: Ingame rules no longer apply - he cannot be banned because he made no ingame threat or action to incite suicide or whatever.
Two: Check Icelands laws regarding inciting others to end thier own lives. It might come under assisted suicide laws.
Regardless, it was MORALLY wrong, and 'as a joke' is a **** poor excuse for that kind of comment. |

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
203
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:35:00 -
[100] - Quote
TheBlueMonkey wrote:The Mittani has built himself a brand (same as any other celebrity figure), his is that of a brash, offensive super douche but it gets attention inside and outside of eve.
So what more did you expect?
Personally, I see stuff like this and just think "I see what you did there".
God I hate being in a marketing company some times :P
Anyway, If someone can be pushed to suicide by means of mails from the fanbase of a computer game, maybe humanity would be better off without them. Not saying I think that, just posing it as a point for debate. I understand your point I I accept the "Mittani and Goonswarm brand". I have no problem with that.
What I expect, especially from someone who represents a part of the community (no matter what part) knows were the limits are and sees when their jokes go to far. Nothing against jokes of that kind in general (some of the other mocks like that were really funny), but as I said, there is a limit. Mittani and Goonsworm crossed that line and I'm sure not out of pure evilness or something but because they lost their touch to reality to some extent. Not everything is a game. Of course it's not that easy when reality and game cross each other like in EvE.
You should understand that there are very sensible people out there. Maybe that mail wasn't real. Maybe you think that humanity would be better without them if they are that unstable. But that is an highly ethical debatte that this platform has really no place for. Things like this can happen, even to a stable person. |
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evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
56
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:36:00 -
[101] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 goons and their alts don't agree with you.
Dear mittani ass kisser fixed it for you |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
71
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:37:00 -
[102] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide. Why would he care about his reputation among NPC corp alts?
Obvious for anyone with half a brain ( it is obvious now goons dont belong to this group ) that behind alt hides real person/player that is smart enough to hide his in game identity to protect it self again the most powerful and at the same time emotionally immature person in EVE.
|

Zsamael
Limitless Excellence
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:41:00 -
[103] - Quote
thread TL;DR: Someone got pissed at Mittens, Goons got pissed at OP, words were said, not many lols to be found... Needz moar cake! A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go |

Enuen Ravenseye
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 11:50:00 -
[104] - Quote
Valerius Anthar wrote: I'd like to chime in on this.
I suffer from clinical depression. It varies in severity based on circumstances and the given day, and will pretty much be with me for the rest of my days. I don't keep it under control by bitching and whining about it online, I do it through a mixture of happy pills, exercise, willpower, a good diet, work and routine. I have to agree with Simi that the casual use of suicide as an attention seeker or threat, especially online, only reinforces the stigma about depression not being a disease but a character "defect". People who do this trivialize what isn't trivial, and he/she deserves the abuse they received.
Ultimately, when I was at my zenith, only I could pull myself out. Only I can beat back what Churchill called "the black dog." I will graciously accept the help of family and friends but in the end it's my responsibility to manage my depression and keep buggering on. What I will not do is attempt to guilt trip others, especially strangers, into feeling sorry for me. That is simply pathetic.
Damn your perspective and logic!
I'll just add that I went through a period of severe depression myself years ago (bad breakup and consequences). It was not a good time in my life. The hardest part was bringing my family together and letting them know what was happening.
But you know what? If, at any point, I had told my family that I was considering killing myself over a ******* video game, my father would have handed me his gun and said "Don't make a mess in the house".
There's a huge difference between "cry for help" and "whining drama queen". People need to get some perspective in their lives. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
366
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:00:00 -
[105] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 goons and their alts don't agree with you. Dear mittani ass kisser fixed it for you +1 to OP - The worse thing to happen to eve is mittani being chair of CSM. But now i cant take CSM seriously at all after that display from Mittani, I cant help laughing at him. He really is the biggest childish idiot swimming in his own self importance i have ever seen.. Oh well at least eve got alot more amusing.. You realize it wasn't just goons that voted for him, right? Six of those votes are from me, and I know a number of other people in -A-, cascade, nulli etc. that all voted for him.
Say what you like about goons, Mittani's attitude and massive douchebaggery in the face of armies of forum warrioring terribad care bears perfectly represent my views of Eve, and where I would like the game to go in the future. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1406
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:07:00 -
[106] - Quote
Seeing as he'd just heard the bad news that all his powerbloc's moon goo faucets were getting turned off and in the future goonswarm federation is doomed either to a) obscurity or b) becoming the biggest mining alliance in eve. I feel the poor chap can be allowed a few moments of (albeit televised) drowning sorrows to wallow in the ironic straits he'd found himself. The "king of space" had gotten roped into reporting to the findings of the people's revolutionary committe and needing to put a massive spin on last years hisec ice interdictors all needing to train barges on their 2nd accounts and become targets for roving gangs in nullsec.
You have to laugh.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
56
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:08:00 -
[107] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:evereplicant wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 goons and their alts don't agree with you. Dear mittani ass kisser fixed it for you +1 to OP - The worse thing to happen to eve is mittani being chair of CSM. But now i cant take CSM seriously at all after that display from Mittani, I cant help laughing at him. He really is the biggest childish idiot swimming in his own self importance i have ever seen.. Oh well at least eve got alot more amusing.. You realize it wasn't just goons that voted for him, right? Six of those votes are from me, and I know a number of other people in -A-, cascade, nulli etc. that all voted for him. Say what you like about goons, Mittani's attitude and massive douchebaggery in the face of armies of forum warrioring terribad care bears perfectly represent my views of Eve, and where I would like the game to go in the future.
You do realise the goons players can have other chars in -A- and every other alliance in eve? I mean theres a problem in itself 6 VOTES ARE FROM YOURSELF. I mean seriously you are allowed to have 6 votes? do you not even see a problem with that? |

Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
155
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:08:00 -
[108] - Quote
The presentation could have been a lot funnier. The reactions on the forums afterwards couldn't. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
366
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:09:00 -
[109] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:You do realise the goons players can have other chars in -A- and every other alliance in eve?
Posting to confirm that everyone I know in every alliance I've ever been in is a goon spy. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:10:00 -
[110] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Seeing as he'd just heard the bad news that all his powerbloc's moon goo faucets were getting turned off and in the future goonswarm federation is doomed either to a) obscurity or b) becoming the biggest mining alliance in eve. I feel the poor chap can be allowed a few moments of (albeit televised) drowning sorrows to wallow in the ironic straits he'd found himself. The "king of space" had gotten roped into reporting to the findings of the people's revolutionary committe and needing to put a massive spin on last years hisec ice interdictors all needing to train barges on their 2nd accounts and become targets for roving gangs in nullsec.
You have to laugh.
FYI, we are the biggest proponent of nerfing tech moons. |
|

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1406
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:12:00 -
[111] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:The presentation could have been a lot funnier. The reactions on the forums afterwards couldn't.
I liked the scottish guy with the singing ransoms and the earlier wormhole guy was pretty funny too.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Jastra
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:14:00 -
[112] - Quote
since 16% of the population voted, perhaps if you feel incensed you should, you know, vote next time and get your corp to vote, or even, you know, stand as a candidate.
Why is anyone seriously surprised that the noisiest alliance (dunno if they are biggest) got their guy on there with the most votes. If you don't like it stand next time and get more votes than the winner, that's how elections work.
As for anything that anyone said, again, who is seriously surprised, if you are aggrieved to this extent by something said in a game forum I really think you should be outside more and be sending these letters to your MP/Congressman/Whatever about actual issues of import.
|

Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:15:00 -
[113] - Quote
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide. Why would he care about his reputation among NPC corp alts? Obvious for anyone with half a brain ( it is obvious now goons dont belong to this group ) that behind alt hides real person/player that is smart enough to hide his in game identity to protect it self again the most powerful and at the same time emotionally immature person in EVE.
Over the years, I (Malcanis) have certainly pissed off any number of people on these forums. Never once, not one single time can I ever recall anyone targetting me because of it.
And if they did, I'd laugh at them like the butthurt little babbies they were, and carry right on saying what I thought was right. If they kept on doing it, I'd supertank my ships and laugh even more as the rest of my alliance used the opportunity to reap easy kills.
People who hide behind NPC alts to posts do it because they know they're making terrible posts, and they're ashamed to stand behind what they say. Man up and say your name. |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
122
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:15:00 -
[114] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked
Future investors in CCP will disagree.
Anyway guys, just quit EVE. In the last year we've had the gold ammo scandal, introduction of MT, monocle-gate, and now the blatant corruption that exists between CCP and the CSM. |

evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
56
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:16:00 -
[115] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:evereplicant wrote:You do realise the goons players can have other chars in -A- and every other alliance in eve?
Posting to confirm that everyone I know in every alliance I've ever been in is a goon spy.
That statement ironically is possibly true
|

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1406
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:18:00 -
[116] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Seeing as he'd just heard the bad news that all his powerbloc's moon goo faucets were getting turned off and in the future goonswarm federation is doomed either to a) obscurity or b) becoming the biggest mining alliance in eve. I feel the poor chap can be allowed a few moments of (albeit televised) drowning sorrows to wallow in the ironic straits he'd found himself. The "king of space" had gotten roped into reporting to the findings of the people's revolutionary committe and needing to put a massive spin on last years hisec ice interdictors all needing to train barges on their 2nd accounts and become targets for roving gangs in nullsec.
You have to laugh.
FYI, we are the biggest proponent of nerfing tech moons.
All moons really baby. But tbh, I don't care who promotes it just as long as it gets done. Nuking that crap and turning it into a profession where real players sit in belts and take a genuine risk to make the income (while providing targets to roaming gangs) is the best change out of ccp in literally years. My paragraph above can be seen as satire if you like - as long as this still happens I'm cool with it.
I will mention that when this was suggested during CSM1 (by me and others) the then Goonswarm leader Darius Johnson went red in the face and blustered for about 20 minutes about how it would be the doom of eve and the sky would fall and it was completely insane to consider damaging the stablity (passive income aristocracy) of eve in this way.
So if Mittens genuinely is different to Darius in this way then good on him and maybe he was drinking from happiness afterall. I look forward to seeing him in his barge mining tech in nullsec and getting owned by 3 guys in bombers.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:24:00 -
[117] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Karadion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Seeing as he'd just heard the bad news that all his powerbloc's moon goo faucets were getting turned off and in the future goonswarm federation is doomed either to a) obscurity or b) becoming the biggest mining alliance in eve. I feel the poor chap can be allowed a few moments of (albeit televised) drowning sorrows to wallow in the ironic straits he'd found himself. The "king of space" had gotten roped into reporting to the findings of the people's revolutionary committe and needing to put a massive spin on last years hisec ice interdictors all needing to train barges on their 2nd accounts and become targets for roving gangs in nullsec.
You have to laugh.
FYI, we are the biggest proponent of nerfing tech moons. All moons really baby. But tbh, I don't care who promotes it just as long as it gets done. Nuking that crap and turning it into a profession where real players sit in belts and take a genuine risk to make the income (while providing targets to roaming gangs) is the best change out of ccp in literally years. My paragraph above can be seen as satire if you like - as long as this still happens I'm cool with it. I will mention that when this was suggested during CSM1 (by me and others) the then Goonswarm leader Darius Johnson went red in the face and blustered for about 20 minutes about how it would be the doom of eve and the sky would fall and it was completely insane to consider damaging the stablity (passive income aristocracy) of eve in this way. So if Mittens genuinely is different to Darius in this way then good on him and maybe he was drinking from happiness afterall. I look forward to seeing him in his barge mining tech in nullsec and getting owned by 3 guys in bombers. Ya, Darius Johnson works at CCP now FYI. Same for Stoffer which he was Euro Goons. But you're talking about CSM1 which was almost 6 YEARS ago which is irrelevant to today's current state of the game. |

Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
914
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:25:00 -
[118] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:I would like to call for the resignation of GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ in regards to his complete misconduct during the Fanfest 2012 Alliance Panel. Per CSM Representative Conduct article of the Council of Stellar Management, all active CSMs are bound to abide by EULA and TOS and are subject to immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion regardless of infraction. As the representative of the best of the EVE players, more stringent stance is given as they are GÇ£expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.GÇ¥
The EULA refers to actions you can take whilst using the software product: Eve Online.
Mittens was having a sit down with friends and interested strangers. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1406
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:29:00 -
[119] - Quote
Karadion wrote:... But you're talking about CSM1 which was almost 6 YEARS ago which is irrelevant to today's current state of the game. And we're not going to be mining nor are we depending on tech moons now to provide our isk faucet. We can thank PI and our dedicated ratters for bringing in most of the taxes per month. Unlike Team Tech which they depend badly on tech moons to supply most of their isks (see Tenal, no ratters there or significant activities but all tech moons)
Well either which way its a good change and if you guys are on board with it excellent. Hopefully means we'll see the proposal fly through development with nobody stamping their feet and huffing and puffing on the csm - if it turns out I'm mistaken in believing some delegates will oppose it then I'll be very happy indeed to be proven wrong.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
189
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:29:00 -
[120] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:I would like to call for the resignation of GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ in regards to his complete misconduct during the Fanfest 2012 Alliance Panel. Per CSM Representative Conduct article of the Council of Stellar Management, all active CSMs are bound to abide by EULA and TOS and are subject to immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion regardless of infraction. As the representative of the best of the EVE players, more stringent stance is given as they are GÇ£expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.GÇ¥
The EULA refers to actions you can take whilst using the software product: Eve Online. Mittens was having a sit down with friends and interested strangers. You are being too reasonable. You have no place in this thread. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
|

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
672
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:31:00 -
[121] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Karadion wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Seeing as he'd just heard the bad news that all his powerbloc's moon goo faucets were getting turned off and in the future goonswarm federation is doomed either to a) obscurity or b) becoming the biggest mining alliance in eve. I feel the poor chap can be allowed a few moments of (albeit televised) drowning sorrows to wallow in the ironic straits he'd found himself. The "king of space" had gotten roped into reporting to the findings of the people's revolutionary committe and needing to put a massive spin on last years hisec ice interdictors all needing to train barges on their 2nd accounts and become targets for roving gangs in nullsec.
You have to laugh.
FYI, we are the biggest proponent of nerfing tech moons. All moons really baby. But tbh, I don't care who promotes it just as long as it gets done. Nuking that crap and turning it into a profession where real players sit in belts and take a genuine risk to make the income (while providing targets to roaming gangs) is the best change out of ccp in literally years. My paragraph above can be seen as satire if you like - as long as this still happens I'm cool with it. I will mention that when this was suggested during CSM1 (by me and others) the then Goonswarm leader Darius Johnson went red in the face and blustered for about 20 minutes about how it would be the doom of eve and the sky would fall and it was completely insane to consider damaging the stablity (passive income aristocracy) of eve in this way. So if Mittens genuinely is different to Darius in this way then good on him and maybe he was drinking from happiness afterall. I look forward to seeing him in his barge mining tech in nullsec and getting owned by 3 guys in bombers.
you're an idiot |

Im Super Gay
Hedion University Amarr Empire
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:43:00 -
[122] - Quote
Let all the wimpy thin skinned faggots remove themselves from the gene pool if they so choose to. Who are we to stop them? |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 12:45:00 -
[123] - Quote
Im Super Gay wrote:Let all the wimpy thin skinned faggots remove themselves from the gene pool if they so choose to. Who are we to stop them? My moral objectivity meter is broken. Good god, sir. We cannot allow you to avoid any responsibility to this person so therefore you will be criminally charged if this man, The Wis, kills himself. |

Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
914
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 13:16:00 -
[124] - Quote
Im Super Gay wrote:Let all the wimpy thin skinned faggots remove themselves from the gene pool if they so choose to. Who are we to stop them? Sir, SIR.
Your public outbursts shame the very core of the Hedion University.
I expect you to resign from... whatever it is you do. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
784
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 13:32:00 -
[125] - Quote
CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-player |

stoicfaux
802
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 13:33:00 -
[126] - Quote
For crying out loud. If you really want to put pressure on CCP, then encourage 3rd party news/games sites need to pick up the 'controversy'. If you're in the US, then you can try writing your senator/congressman and see if you can't piggy back on the anti-online-bullying story. Contacting a cyber-bulling organization such as http://www.stopcyberbullying.org might work as well.
The only way you're going to get CCP to act on the supposed cyberbullying is to bully CCP into acting with the threat of bad PR.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
|

The Hamilton
Definitive Exploration and Excavations The Watchmen.
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 13:33:00 -
[127] - Quote
This discussion should end, it's pointless and a waste of time. Unless the person HAS committed suicide already.
NOW that would be worth talking about! |

Vihura
Vihura Cor
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 13:34:00 -
[128] - Quote
Take the notice... People like The Mittani don't have any moral value and will stab you in the back if he will have any opportunity (in real live too) and goons are just perfect example proving finding of Milgram experiment are 100% valid. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 13:43:00 -
[129] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:For crying out loud. If you really want to put pressure on CCP, then encourage 3rd party news/games sites need to pick up the 'controversy'. If you're in the US, then you can try writing your senator/congressman and see if you can't piggy back on the anti-online-bullying story. Contacting a cyber-bulling organization such as http://www.stopcyberbullying.org might work as well. The only way you're going to get CCP to act on the supposed cyberbullying is to bully CCP into acting with the threat of bad PR. Those laws are aimed at protecting children under age of majority. The Wis is some dumb pubbie who had 22 accounts and he only played Eve Online as an escape because he got divorced (Hint, he probably got divorced for something really obvious). So are you saying we need cyberbullying proposals aimed at protecting manchilds? If the guy offs himself, it's not ourfucking problem. Suicide as a bargaining chip is a dumb dumb dumb tactic. |

Ghoest
280
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 13:48:00 -
[130] - Quote
Stuff Mittans does requires only one thing - mocking of CCP for continuing this absurdity called the "CSM." Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
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Kehro Urgus
196
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 13:50:00 -
[131] - Quote
In Soviet Russia the Goons troll you... or is that the other way around?
trololo You know what you find in a sandbox? Sand and cat poo. |

Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 14:03:00 -
[132] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far.
|

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 14:22:00 -
[133] - Quote
What an idiot; right now they are trying to find this kid in the US for murder after he "drove" his roommate to suicide.
I agree he should be removed, if for no other reason in the grown up world he represents a risk to CCP; if that kid he is bullying really does kill himself his parents will say:
"Representatives of EVE ..."
Really, IMHO he and anyone who sent these mails in response to his childish behavior should be removed from the game, all accounts, forever.
Talk about immature assholes.
|

stoicfaux
803
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 14:23:00 -
[134] - Quote
Karadion wrote:stoicfaux wrote:For crying out loud. If you really want to put pressure on CCP, then encourage 3rd party news/games sites need to pick up the 'controversy'. If you're in the US, then you can try writing your senator/congressman and see if you can't piggy back on the anti-online-bullying story. Contacting a cyber-bulling organization such as http://www.stopcyberbullying.org might work as well. The only way you're going to get CCP to act on the supposed cyberbullying is to bully CCP into acting with the threat of bad PR. Those laws are aimed at protecting children under age of majority. The Wis is some dumb pubbie who had 22 accounts and he only played Eve Online as an escape because he got divorced (Hint, he probably got divorced for something really obvious). So are you saying we need cyberbullying proposals aimed at protecting manchilds? If the guy offs himself, it's not ourfucking problem. Suicide as a bargaining chip is a dumb dumb dumb tactic. /facepalm
In case you haven't noticed, the US population and internet blogs/sites in general have been in a "don't let the truth get in the way of a good story" state for quite some time. Blogs and game sites need eyeballs and a scandal, whether true or blown out of proportion, is a great way to get hits/revenue. Most "real world" jerks know this and make damn sure to have a good spin doctor on staff and try to keep their asshattery out of the public eye.
IMHO, Mittanti has potentially screwed the pooch with his off-the-cuff and flip responses to the accusations. If CCP does feel the need to "do something" then Mitt has already painted himself into a corner. A little diplomacy/spin doctoring/maturity would have gone a long way to nipping the whole incident in the bud. Now there's a good chance it could turn into a problem that CCP "must" address with "severe" consequences to show how "concerned" and "serious" they are about < insert social issue here />.
The whole thing is just Stupid. Continuing to pour gas on a flaming ball of Stupid shows an amazing lack of political and diplomatic awareness.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
|

Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 14:29:00 -
[135] - Quote
I say Dump him, typical bully.
|

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
530
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 14:47:00 -
[136] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:Karadion wrote:stoicfaux wrote:For crying out loud. If you really want to put pressure on CCP, then encourage 3rd party news/games sites need to pick up the 'controversy'. If you're in the US, then you can try writing your senator/congressman and see if you can't piggy back on the anti-online-bullying story. Contacting a cyber-bulling organization such as http://www.stopcyberbullying.org might work as well. The only way you're going to get CCP to act on the supposed cyberbullying is to bully CCP into acting with the threat of bad PR. Those laws are aimed at protecting children under age of majority. The Wis is some dumb pubbie who had 22 accounts and he only played Eve Online as an escape because he got divorced (Hint, he probably got divorced for something really obvious). So are you saying we need cyberbullying proposals aimed at protecting manchilds? If the guy offs himself, it's not ourfucking problem. Suicide as a bargaining chip is a dumb dumb dumb tactic. /facepalm In case you haven't noticed, the US population and internet blogs/sites in general have been in a "don't let the truth get in the way of a good story" state for quite some time. Blogs and game sites need eyeballs and a scandal, whether true or blown out of proportion, is a great way to get hits/revenue. Most "real world" jerks know this and make damn sure to have a good spin doctor on staff and try to keep their asshattery out of the public eye. IMHO, Mittanti has potentially screwed the pooch with his off-the-cuff and flip responses to the accusations. If CCP does feel the need to "do something" then Mitt has already painted himself into a corner. A little diplomacy/spin doctoring/maturity would have gone a long way to nipping the whole incident in the bud. Now there's a good chance it could turn into a problem that CCP "must" address with "severe" consequences to show how "concerned" and "serious" they are about < insert social issue here />. The whole thing is just Stupid. Continuing to pour gas on a flaming ball of Stupid shows an amazing lack of political and diplomatic awareness. I'm not sure why you are defending a manchild who got divorced over his addiction to Eve Online through the usage of his 22 accounts. That idiot brought up that he might off himself. Mittani never solicited him to do it in the first place. You're acting that using suicide to get their way is a perfectly acceptable method when it's not. ALl I see here are crybabies looking for an excuse, anything, to get the goons banned from the game. I've scammed at least 80 miners during the mining interdiction and at least 4 of them have threatened to kill themselves if I don't give back their isk. It's not my damn problem that they are willing to try and use it as a bargaining chip. If anything, threatening suicide in this game should be an instant permaban. |

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
236
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 14:49:00 -
[137] - Quote
The only real reason Mittanti should be booted was because his alliance keynote was boring and not entertaining at all. This investigation is a joke. Thousands of crybaby evemails like that are sent every day. Hell, I probably received dozens of them and I am a really nice guy 
FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2192
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 14:50:00 -
[138] - Quote
Bootleg Jack wrote:What an idiot; right now they are trying to find this kid in the US for murder after he "drove" his roommate to suicide.
Is this The Mittani's fault as well?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 14:51:00 -
[139] - Quote
Karadion wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Karadion wrote:stoicfaux wrote:For crying out loud. If you really want to put pressure on CCP, then encourage 3rd party news/games sites need to pick up the 'controversy'. If you're in the US, then you can try writing your senator/congressman and see if you can't piggy back on the anti-online-bullying story. Contacting a cyber-bulling organization such as http://www.stopcyberbullying.org might work as well. The only way you're going to get CCP to act on the supposed cyberbullying is to bully CCP into acting with the threat of bad PR. Those laws are aimed at protecting children under age of majority. The Wis is some dumb pubbie who had 22 accounts and he only played Eve Online as an escape because he got divorced (Hint, he probably got divorced for something really obvious). So are you saying we need cyberbullying proposals aimed at protecting manchilds? If the guy offs himself, it's not ourfucking problem. Suicide as a bargaining chip is a dumb dumb dumb tactic. /facepalm In case you haven't noticed, the US population and internet blogs/sites in general have been in a "don't let the truth get in the way of a good story" state for quite some time. Blogs and game sites need eyeballs and a scandal, whether true or blown out of proportion, is a great way to get hits/revenue. Most "real world" jerks know this and make damn sure to have a good spin doctor on staff and try to keep their asshattery out of the public eye. IMHO, Mittanti has potentially screwed the pooch with his off-the-cuff and flip responses to the accusations. If CCP does feel the need to "do something" then Mitt has already painted himself into a corner. A little diplomacy/spin doctoring/maturity would have gone a long way to nipping the whole incident in the bud. Now there's a good chance it could turn into a problem that CCP "must" address with "severe" consequences to show how "concerned" and "serious" they are about < insert social issue here />. The whole thing is just Stupid. Continuing to pour gas on a flaming ball of Stupid shows an amazing lack of political and diplomatic awareness. I'm not sure why you are defending a manchild who got divorced over his addiction to Eve Online through the usage of his 22 accounts. That idiot brought up that he might off himself. Mittani never solicited him to do it in the first place. You're acting that using suicide to get their way is a perfectly acceptable method when it's not. ALl I see here are crybabies looking for an excuse, anything, to get the goons banned from the game. I've scammed at least 80 miners during the mining interdiction and at least 4 of them have threatened to kill themselves if I don't give back their isk. It's not my damn problem that they are willing to try and use it as a bargaining chip. If anything, threatening suicide in this game should be an instant permaban.
"Everyone is out to get us, waaaa"
Guess what jerk. if you leave the basement and look around you will find out the world has suddenly woke up and become intolerante of bullies like yourself and your corp mates.
It is not "just you" or "just Goons", B U L L I E S everywhere are feeling the "love".
|

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
73
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 14:51:00 -
[140] - Quote
Karadion wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Karadion wrote:stoicfaux wrote:For crying out loud. If you really want to put pressure on CCP, then encourage 3rd party news/games sites need to pick up the 'controversy'. If you're in the US, then you can try writing your senator/congressman and see if you can't piggy back on the anti-online-bullying story. Contacting a cyber-bulling organization such as http://www.stopcyberbullying.org might work as well. The only way you're going to get CCP to act on the supposed cyberbullying is to bully CCP into acting with the threat of bad PR. Those laws are aimed at protecting children under age of majority. The Wis is some dumb pubbie who had 22 accounts and he only played Eve Online as an escape because he got divorced (Hint, he probably got divorced for something really obvious). So are you saying we need cyberbullying proposals aimed at protecting manchilds? If the guy offs himself, it's not ourfucking problem. Suicide as a bargaining chip is a dumb dumb dumb tactic. /facepalm In case you haven't noticed, the US population and internet blogs/sites in general have been in a "don't let the truth get in the way of a good story" state for quite some time. Blogs and game sites need eyeballs and a scandal, whether true or blown out of proportion, is a great way to get hits/revenue. Most "real world" jerks know this and make damn sure to have a good spin doctor on staff and try to keep their asshattery out of the public eye. IMHO, Mittanti has potentially screwed the pooch with his off-the-cuff and flip responses to the accusations. If CCP does feel the need to "do something" then Mitt has already painted himself into a corner. A little diplomacy/spin doctoring/maturity would have gone a long way to nipping the whole incident in the bud. Now there's a good chance it could turn into a problem that CCP "must" address with "severe" consequences to show how "concerned" and "serious" they are about < insert social issue here />. The whole thing is just Stupid. Continuing to pour gas on a flaming ball of Stupid shows an amazing lack of political and diplomatic awareness. I'm not sure why you are defending a manchild who got divorced over his addiction to Eve Online through the usage of his 22 accounts. That idiot brought up that he might off himself. Mittani never solicited him to do it in the first place. You're acting that using suicide to get their way is a perfectly acceptable method when it's not. ALl I see here are crybabies looking for an excuse, anything, to get the goons banned from the game. I've scammed at least 80 miners during the mining interdiction and at least 4 of them have threatened to kill themselves if I don't give back their isk. It's not my damn problem that they are willing to try and use it as a bargaining chip. If anything, threatening suicide in this game should be an instant permaban.
The best thing the Mittani could have done, is to rob him of everything and leave him.
Inciting thousands of EVE/non-EVE players to send mails to encourage the unfortunate miner's suicidal tendency was not only immature and completely unnecessary, but sick. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2192
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 14:59:00 -
[141] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Inciting thousands of EVE/non-EVE players to send mails to encourage the unfortunate miner's suicidal tendency was not only immature and completely unnecessary, but sick.
Where did you get your psychology degree?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Prince Kobol
300
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 14:59:00 -
[142] - Quote
Question.. does anybody know the individual who has stated that he might kill himself in RL...
If so please direct him to the nearest bridge / tall building / railway line etc
Personally if I knew this person in rl I would pay him a visit, take away his computer and introduce him to the world outside of his bedroom.
|

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
530
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 14:59:00 -
[143] - Quote
Bootleg Jack wrote: "Everyone is out to get us, waaaa"
Guess what jerk. if you leave the basement and look around you will find out the world has suddenly woke up and become intolerante of bullies like yourself and your corp mates.
It is not "just you" or "just Goons", B U L L I E S everywhere are feeling the "love".
Sorry buddy. The world does not care about you and I. I am a realist at that. I know you love to follow Lady Gaga and her whole cyberbulling thing for minors but The Wis is a divorced manchild. The world has already been awake. You die today and the world will still not giveafuck. People who threaten suicide should be permabanned anyways. |

Vihura
Vihura Cor
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:02:00 -
[144] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Karadion wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Karadion wrote:stoicfaux wrote:For crying out loud. If you really want to put pressure on CCP, then encourage 3rd party news/games sites need to pick up the 'controversy'. If you're in the US, then you can try writing your senator/congressman and see if you can't piggy back on the anti-online-bullying story. Contacting a cyber-bulling organization such as http://www.stopcyberbullying.org might work as well. The only way you're going to get CCP to act on the supposed cyberbullying is to bully CCP into acting with the threat of bad PR. Those laws are aimed at protecting children under age of majority. The Wis is some dumb pubbie who had 22 accounts and he only played Eve Online as an escape because he got divorced (Hint, he probably got divorced for something really obvious). So are you saying we need cyberbullying proposals aimed at protecting manchilds? If the guy offs himself, it's not ourfucking problem. Suicide as a bargaining chip is a dumb dumb dumb tactic. /facepalm In case you haven't noticed, the US population and internet blogs/sites in general have been in a "don't let the truth get in the way of a good story" state for quite some time. Blogs and game sites need eyeballs and a scandal, whether true or blown out of proportion, is a great way to get hits/revenue. Most "real world" jerks know this and make damn sure to have a good spin doctor on staff and try to keep their asshattery out of the public eye. IMHO, Mittanti has potentially screwed the pooch with his off-the-cuff and flip responses to the accusations. If CCP does feel the need to "do something" then Mitt has already painted himself into a corner. A little diplomacy/spin doctoring/maturity would have gone a long way to nipping the whole incident in the bud. Now there's a good chance it could turn into a problem that CCP "must" address with "severe" consequences to show how "concerned" and "serious" they are about < insert social issue here />. The whole thing is just Stupid. Continuing to pour gas on a flaming ball of Stupid shows an amazing lack of political and diplomatic awareness. I'm not sure why you are defending a manchild who got divorced over his addiction to Eve Online through the usage of his 22 accounts. That idiot brought up that he might off himself. Mittani never solicited him to do it in the first place. You're acting that using suicide to get their way is a perfectly acceptable method when it's not. ALl I see here are crybabies looking for an excuse, anything, to get the goons banned from the game. I've scammed at least 80 miners during the mining interdiction and at least 4 of them have threatened to kill themselves if I don't give back their isk. It's not my damn problem that they are willing to try and use it as a bargaining chip. If anything, threatening suicide in this game should be an instant permaban. The best thing the Mittani could have done, is to rob him of everything and leave him. Inciting thousands of EVE/non-EVE players to send mails to encourage the unfortunate miner's suicidal tendency was not only immature and completely unnecessary, but sick. This ... but i'm really sorry for brain dead people applauding and flapping how funny it is because they 'sick' master told them, one word brain dead zombie, no signe of reflection, no compassion, just brain dead zombie. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:04:00 -
[145] - Quote
Right or wrong Mittani is gone. Its already hitting the media and with cyber bullying being as much of a hot button topic as it is, any company in their right mind would distance themselves as much as possible from something like this. He's gotsta go. All there is to it. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
74
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:04:00 -
[146] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Inciting thousands of EVE/non-EVE players to send mails to encourage the unfortunate miner's suicidal tendency was not only immature and completely unnecessary, but sick. Where did you get your psychology degree?
You don't need a psychology degree to come to that conclusion.
All you need is elementary level english skill and an ounce of morality.
Obviously you lack the latter. |

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:04:00 -
[147] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Inciting thousands of EVE/non-EVE players to send mails to encourage the unfortunate miner's suicidal tendency was not only immature and completely unnecessary, but sick. Where did you get your psychology degree?
He doesn't need one. Normal, healthy minded human beings with a decent sense of morality are bound to believe that encouraging suicide is the act of a sick individual that needs to be removed from any position of authority, and given councilling. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
530
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:05:00 -
[148] - Quote
Lets just call Eve Online this. Eve Online: Safe for Suicide Attempters where you won't get podded, scammed, and ridiculed. |

Bane Necran
131
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:06:00 -
[149] - Quote
If the Lawyer claim isn't just more of his BS, then he must be a pretty bad one, otherwise he wouldn't have found himself in this situation.
Reckless and ignorant people are usually the ones to hire Lawyers, not be lawyers themselves. |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
116
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:07:00 -
[150] - Quote
What if someone threatened to kill themselves if people keep making terrible threads about idiots who threaten to kill themselves over space pixels?
Would you guys be morally compelled to stop making terrible threads? Would you be morally compelled not to mock them for their obvious ridiculousness?
The whole point is people threatening to kill themselves over inconsequential stuff is ******* ridiculous and deserving of mockery. |
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
530
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:07:00 -
[151] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:Right or wrong Mittani is gone. Its already hitting the media and with cyber bullying being as much of a hot button topic as it is, any company in their right mind would distance themselves as much as possible from something like this. He's gotsta go. All there is to it. No, he isn't. Good thing you're not CCP. Nor did Mittani sign the TOS or EULA to attend fanfest. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2192
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:08:00 -
[152] - Quote
Obsidian Dagger wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Inciting thousands of EVE/non-EVE players to send mails to encourage the unfortunate miner's suicidal tendency was not only immature and completely unnecessary, but sick. Where did you get your psychology degree? He doesn't need one. Normal, healthy minded human beings with a decent sense of morality are bound to believe that encouraging suicide is the act of a sick individual that needs to be removed from any position of authority, and given councilling.
So...where did you get your psychology degree?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Prince Kobol
300
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:09:00 -
[153] - Quote
Right.. if one more person posts in this thread I am going to commit suicide
I mean it      |

Bane Necran
131
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:11:00 -
[154] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:The whole point is people threatening to kill themselves over inconsequential stuff is ******* ridiculous and deserving of mockery.
Big difference between mocking someone and telling everyone to drive them to suicide. |

Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:12:00 -
[155] - Quote
Mittani's antics may have been in poor taste (and I voted for him)
but this is shaping up to be a witch hunt, and I would bet that a good deal of those instigating it don't really give a damn about this guy who is threatening suicide as a means of guilt tripping as much as they give a damn about dethroning Mittani and/or getting the goons banned.
Besides, if CCP boots Mittani, just how many players are going to leave with him? |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
116
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:16:00 -
[156] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Big difference between mocking someone and telling everyone to drive them to suicide.
That's what you guys just aren't getting. He was mocking the very idea that this guy was actually going to kill himself over space pixels. Because he wasn't, because people don't. The whole idea that someone would kill themselves over space pixels is so preposterous, and it should be mocked. He should be mocked for trying to hold people hostage in a game with threats of suicide.
The real solution here is to ban people who talk about killing themselves in a video game. Those are the people who should be suffering consequences. |

stoicfaux
805
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:17:00 -
[157] - Quote
Karadion wrote:I'm not sure why you are defending a manchild who got divorced over his addiction to Eve Online through the usage of his 22 accounts. That idiot brought up that he might off himself. Mittani never solicited him to do it in the first place. You're acting that using suicide to get their way is a perfectly acceptable method when it's not. ALl I see here are crybabies looking for an excuse, anything, to get the goons banned from the game. I've scammed at least 80 miners during the mining interdiction and at least 4 of them have threatened to kill themselves if I don't give back their isk. It's not my damn problem that they are willing to try and use it as a bargaining chip. If anything, threatening suicide in this game should be an instant permaban. Who says I'm defending him or Mittani?
My point is that Mitt probably crossed the line between in-game and out-of-game douchebaggery, that it wouldn't take much for this to blow up into a scandal that will require CCP's action, and that Mitt, the CSM chair, isn't handling the situation as seriously as he should be.
Anyone whose reputation is built around being a flamboyant douchebag shouldn't enter a sympathy contest with an allegedly depressed suicidal individual, especially if that contest is going to be judged by public opinion. Seriously, if this "scandal" hits the game sites or finds a quasi-mainstream news reporter desperate for a story, Mitt is going find himself censured or worse.
Plus, if the negative publicity keeps up, I'm thinking that the next fanfest's presentations are going to have less drinking and more lawyers.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
366
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:17:00 -
[158] - Quote
You guys are such a bunch of pansies. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2192
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:18:00 -
[159] - Quote
Arkady Vachon wrote:Besides, if CCP boots Mittani, just how many players are going to leave with him?
I would expect that if CCP does boot Mittens even though he's not guilty of anything other than making pubbies mad that a lot of people would find another game to call home. If you look at who is complaining about him it's the same small handful of nutters who don't like Goons in general and they have all latched onto this as their latest attempt to accomplish what they are unable to in-game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
78
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:19:00 -
[160] - Quote
Arkady Vachon wrote:Mittani's antics may have been in poor taste (and I voted for him)
but this is shaping up to be a witch hunt, and I would bet that a good deal of those instigating it don't really give a damn about this guy who is threatening suicide as a means of guilt tripping as much as they give a damn about dethroning Mittani and/or getting the goons banned.
Besides, if CCP boots Mittani, just how many players are going to leave with him?
My hope is that those with some moral decency will fill in the missing spots that morally deprived goons will cause.
If CCP does not punish Mittani the Great, EVE Online would be a laughing stock amongst other major game publishers. |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
366
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:19:00 -
[161] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:Who says I'm defending him or Mittani?
My point is that Mitt probably crossed the line between in-game and out-of-game douchebaggery, that it wouldn't take much for this to blow up into a scandal that will require CCP's action, and that Mitt, the CSM chair, isn't handling the situation as seriously as he should be.
Anyone whose reputation is built around being a flamboyant douchebag shouldn't enter a sympathy contest with an allegedly depressed suicidal individual, especially if that contest is going to be judged by public opinion. Seriously, if this "scandal" hits the game sites or finds a quasi-mainstream news reporter desperate for a story, Mitt is going find himself censured or worse.
Plus, if the negative publicity keeps up, I'm thinking that the next fanfest's presentations are going to have less drinking and more lawyers.
On the up side, Eve online is going to get a bit of media attention out of it. Score. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
336
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:21:00 -
[162] - Quote
I support this product and/or service
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2192
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:23:00 -
[163] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: If CCP does not punish Mittani the Great, EVE Online would be a laughing stock amongst other major game publishers.
Actually if they listen to a bunch of NPC corp alts they would be a laughing stock amongst other major game publishers.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
336
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:26:00 -
[164] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: If CCP does not punish Mittani the Great, EVE Online would be a laughing stock amongst other major game publishers.
Actually if they listen to a bunch of NPC corp alts they would be a laughing stock amongst other major game publishers.
     
Eve memes are going to save me
LOL
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:27:00 -
[165] - Quote
CCP needs to look at this latest wave of terrible idiot posting and ban the ability to post ANYWHERE (outside of new player yadadad) under the same rules CAOD does. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
336
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:27:00 -
[166] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: If CCP does not punish Mittani the Great, EVE Online would be a laughing stock amongst other major game publishers.
Actually if they listen to a bunch of NPC corp alts they would be a laughing stock amongst other major game publishers.
For true answer me this are you Mintanis forum alt?
I couldn't see such an attention craver avoiding the bords as much as he appears to
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:27:00 -
[167] - Quote
On the article in question, I posted this comment:
Quote:Well, this is a poor choice of words.
Video of the incident is freely available online and was streamed live, so why exactly are you listening and reporting the testimony of one attendee?
Anyone with any sense can see that the statement was made as a joke; you cannot honestly believe he stood in public and advocated forcing someone into suicide, with the expectation that his death would be the result?
Journalism rated at 3/10 - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:29:00 -
[168] - Quote
Arkady Vachon wrote:Mittani's antics may have been in poor taste (and I voted for him)
but this is shaping up to be a witch hunt, and I would bet that a good deal of those instigating it don't really give a damn about this guy who is threatening suicide as a means of guilt tripping as much as they give a damn about dethroning Mittani and/or getting the goons banned.
Besides, if CCP boots Mittani, just how many players are going to leave with him?
The five percent that cause ninety nine percent of the problems.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
336
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:30:00 -
[169] - Quote
Cry moar all over the weebs 
NEVER EVER EVER STOP POSTING YOUR TEARS YOU OWE US ALL A FEW LULZ
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
85
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:30:00 -
[170] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: If CCP does not punish Mittani the Great, EVE Online would be a laughing stock amongst other major game publishers.
Actually if they listen to a bunch of NPC corp alts they would be a laughing stock amongst other major game publishers.
The Mittani is a fantastic player. He is charismatic. He is smart (was?). He is (was) probably the top choice that CCP could've ever hoped for. He speaks with eloquence and he definitely knows how to command a crowd.
But hey, **** hit the fan when he decided to incite thousands of others to further encourage an unfortunate player's suicidal tendency.
Completely unacceptable. We are not trying to bring shame to the Goons. We are trying to correct Mittani the Great's individual mistake and an irreparable harm that he has caused to EVE's image amongst other major games.
Don't worry! Goons will prevail under a better leadership! |
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Jallock
Death-To-Taxes
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:30:00 -
[171] - Quote
Seems to fall under this :
Quote:You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
382
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:31:00 -
[172] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine
If you consider breaking the EULA fine you should be banned too *******. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
530
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:35:00 -
[173] - Quote
Jallock wrote:Seems to fall under this : Quote:You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. good job internet lawyer. Now here's something you didn't know. The EULA applies to the game, not fanfest. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
367
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:36:00 -
[174] - Quote
Jallock wrote:Seems to fall under this : Quote:You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. Well done for quoting rules regarding in game behavior and applying them to a speech made in a conference out of game. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
367
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:37:00 -
[175] - Quote
Karadion wrote:good job internet lawyer. Now here's something you didn't know. The EULA applies to the game, not fanfest. 5b says next year's fan fest will have an EULA. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Vashan Tar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:37:00 -
[176] - Quote
Suicide is the final resort of a coward. The real damage is done to those who are left behind blaming themselves for not doing "something" different. I have zero sympathy for the type of person who would inflict that on people, or who would threaten to inflict that for the purpose of gaining some sort of extra attention . If its over a goddamn video game then you shouldn't have been let out of your padded cell to play it in the first place. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:37:00 -
[177] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Right or wrong Mittani is gone. Its already hitting the media and with cyber bullying being as much of a hot button topic as it is, any company in their right mind would distance themselves as much as possible from something like this. He's gotsta go. All there is to it. No, he isn't. Good thing you're not CCP. Nor did Mittani sign the TOS or EULA to attend fanfest.
I would be surprised if he isn't gone in 24 hours. Business is business. As a company you do NOT want your company name showing up in the media associated with something like this. When the inquiries start coming in the good answer is "The player has been banned and is no longer on the player representation board." The media can hurt a company big time if you don't play them right. Just how it is =/ |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
382
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:37:00 -
[178] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Jallock wrote:Seems to fall under this : Quote:You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. good job internet lawyer. Now here's something you didn't know. The EULA applies to the game, not fanfest.
Read the EULA fuckhead. It clearly applies.
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
421
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:38:00 -
[179] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. you should kill yourself too. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:40:00 -
[180] - Quote
Vashan Tar wrote:Suicide is the final resort of a coward. The real damage is done to those who are left behind blaming themselves for not doing "something" different. I have zero sympathy for the type of person who would inflict that on people, or who would threaten to inflict that for the purpose of gaining some sort of extra attention . If its over a goddamn video game then you shouldn't have been let out of your padded cell to play it in the first place.
So goons don't have sympathy? I'll spread the word! :-) |
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Naga Elohim
Golden Shellbacks Surely You're Joking
14
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:41:00 -
[181] - Quote
Seriously?....
I personally saw nothing wrong with The Mittani's conduct at CSM. I think people are jealous that such a hated man can have so much fun. Obviously he isn't that bad of a guy if 10K+ people voted for him.
You need to stop being so butthurt about this. It makes you look like an idiot
The man was in Iceland...Getting drunk and talking about internet spaceships. I would be stoked out of my mind If I had to come to terms with those facts for myself. His behavior shouldn't be a discussion as we all display a form of ass-hattery when liquor is involved. Get over it? Yeah so what he is CSM... Id like to think my representatives have a little character.
Getting a mentally unstable person to commit suicide over a game?...... Where do I sign up?!!!?
Such faggotry and weakness should not be allowed to exist in this world. THIS IS SPARTA!!
....or Eve Online. I forget sometimes... |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1339
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:42:00 -
[182] - Quote
Guys...this is Goonswarm we are talking about here. You are never going to win an argument with them about common sense or morality. They are usually too ignorant and assinine to have either. This is why they are in Goonswarm. Expecting their leader of all people to have a shred of common sense or morality is just wishful thinking. There are a lot of assholes in this world. Just be glad that in EvE they are all in one place and not a part of your corp. If and when CCP is publicly humiliated in the presses by something "The Mittani" does, then CCP will do what they need to at that time.
In the meantime...stop arguing morality with people on the internet that obviously have none. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Bane Necran
131
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:42:00 -
[183] - Quote
Karadion wrote:good job internet lawyer. Now here's something you didn't know. The EULA applies to the game, not fanfest.
An EULA violation results in dismissal from the CSM.
Do try to keep up. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:45:00 -
[184] - Quote
Naga Elohim wrote:Seriously?....
I personally saw nothing wrong with The Mittani's conduct at CSM. I think people are jealous that such a hated man can have so much fun. Obviously he isn't that bad of a guy if 10K+ people voted for him.
You need to stop being so butthurt about this. It makes you look like an idiot
The man was in Iceland...Getting drunk and talking about internet spaceships. I would be stoked out of my mind If I had to come to terms with those facts for myself. His behavior shouldn't be a discussion as we all display a form of ass-hattery when liquor is involved. Get over it? Yeah so what he is CSM... Id like to think my representatives have a little character.
Getting a mentally unstable person to commit suicide over a game?...... Where do I sign up?!!!?
Such faggotry and weakness should not be allowed to exist in this world. THIS IS SPARTA!!
....or Eve Online. I forget sometimes...
The man has spent YEARS intentionally becoming hated. Of course everyone wants him gone. That's kinda the definition of being hated. :p
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
367
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:46:00 -
[185] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Karadion wrote:good job internet lawyer. Now here's something you didn't know. The EULA applies to the game, not fanfest. An EULA violation results in dismissal from the CSM. Do try to keep up. And the EULA applies to in game actions, do try to keep up. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
382
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:46:00 -
[186] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Jallock wrote:Seems to fall under this : Quote:You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. Well done for quoting rules regarding in game behavior and applying them to a speech made in a conference out of game.
Show us where it says it is limited to in game behavior. You can't, because it doesn't. You utterly fail at reading comprehension. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Deathwing Reborn
12
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:48:00 -
[187] - Quote
I say we just take from the Future Vision of Eve.
"Honor isn't about making the right choices. It's about dealing with the consequences. There is a fine line between right and wrong. You better know which side of it your on. The moment you lose your honor, that's when you learn the hard way. Your choice always comes back around."
Is he right or wrong in the eyes of the eve player base? It don't really matter he walked that fine line between right and wrong and stepped over it. He lost his honor and he needs to accept the consequences.
Now all we need is a hot little red head (CCP Sunset) to walk up behind Mittani in a public venue and put a bullet in him and make a trailer out of it. |

Prince Kobol
302
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:48:00 -
[188] - Quote
1. Does anybody know this person who is supposedly "Suicidal" in real life
2. If you can not answer yes to question one then you can not comment on the mental condition of this person and whether they are genuinely or not.
For all we know this person is not Suicidal in any way shape or form and just over reacted to losing some pixels in a internet space game.
If somebody does know this person in real life and if they are genuinely Suicidal then what the hell are you doing letting somebody with that mind set play a game like Eve to begin with?
Also if it had been any other person who had said this then we wouldn't of had so many people trying to act as a Knight in Shining Armour trying to pretend they give a **** about this person.
The truth of the matter is that most people posting here against the The Mittani (and the goons as a whole) are just people who have been butt hurt in a internet space ship game and are trying to get what ever revenge then can against them because they have no other way.
You don't give a **** about the person in question, you just see this as your only way of trying to get at the goons.
What's worse, a person who openly mocks somebody with Suicidal thoughts because they lost some pixels in a internet space game or the person who pretends he cares about said person and just wants to exact some kind of revenge because they were butt hurt. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
367
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 15:48:00 -
[189] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Show us where it says it is limited to in game behavior. You can't, because it doesn't. You utterly fail at reading comprehension. Find me the part where the Facebook ToS says it doesn't apply to behavior on Bebo. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Vashan Tar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:50:00 -
[190] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:Vashan Tar wrote:Suicide is the final resort of a coward. The real damage is done to those who are left behind blaming themselves for not doing "something" different. I have zero sympathy for the type of person who would inflict that on people, or who would threaten to inflict that for the purpose of gaining some sort of extra attention . If its over a goddamn video game then you shouldn't have been let out of your padded cell to play it in the first place. So goons don't have sympathy? I'll spread the word! :-)
Do whatever you want to sweet cheeks, I speak for myself. If you're going to threaten to commit suicide over the loss of space pixels then you're better off out of the gene-pool.
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Bane Necran
131
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:50:00 -
[191] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:And the EULA applies to in game actions, do try to keep up.
The game rules don't make any distinction about where you release peoples real world information. It simply says doing so is actionable.
For example, opening a website to release EVE players real world information is also not allowed. |

stoicfaux
806
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:53:00 -
[192] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Arkady Vachon wrote:Besides, if CCP boots Mittani, just how many players are going to leave with him? I would expect that if CCP does boot Mittens even though he's not guilty of anything other than making pubbies mad that a lot of people would find another game to call home. If you look at who is complaining about him it's the same small handful of nutters who don't like Goons in general and they have all latched onto this as their latest attempt to accomplish what they are unable to in-game. CPP won't boot him. IMO, the video of the comment isn't that damning.
However, I do think that Mitt, the CSM chair, should step up and post an apology about crossing the line between in-game and out of game antics. That would defuse the situation by preempting the "need" for CCP to take action (aside from CCP making a general public comment reinforcing the sanctity of the ToS/whatever) and would cut off the "nutters" before they get a hold of a competent editor who can turn that private email and the video into a professional looking scandal.[1] Basically, trading a little face to take back control of the situation while it's easy to do so.
If not, then I'm going to the store to get some popcorn to snack on while watching the Drama unfold. (The US Republican party nomination process has lost most of its soap opera drama appeal, so I'm hoping the "CCP's Eve CSM Chairman Accused of Cyber-bullying/Harassment" news story fills the gap.)
[1] As it stands, you have to jump around in several threads to get enough context to get the facts behind the "scandal." It's clumsy and reeks of amateurism if it really is a "nutter" attack on Mittani.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
98
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:53:00 -
[193] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:1. Does anybody know this person who is supposedly "Suicidal" in real life
2. If you can not answer yes to question one then you can not comment on the mental condition of this person and whether they are genuinely or not.
For all we know this person is not Suicidal in any way shape or form and just over reacted to losing some pixels in a internet space game.
If somebody does know this person in real life and if they are genuinely Suicidal then what the hell are you doing letting somebody with that mind set play a game like Eve to begin with?
Also if it had been any other person who had said this then we wouldn't of had so many people trying to act as a Knight in Shining Armour trying to pretend they give a **** about this person.
The truth of the matter is that most people posting here against the The Mittani (and the goons as a whole) are just people who have been butt hurt in a internet space ship game and are trying to get what ever revenge then can against them because they have no other way.
You don't give a **** about the person in question, you just see this as your only way of trying to get at the goons.
What's worse, a person who openly mocks somebody with Suicidal thoughts because they lost some pixels in a internet space game or the person who pretends he cares about said person and just wants to exact some kind of revenge because they were butt hurt.
Your point is null. Listen to the Alliance Panel and the former CSM presentation again. Mittani the Great said he is "mentally unstable." He knowingly and purposely asked thousands of players to send him mails to encourage his suicidal tendency.
It doesn't matter if he is mentally unstable or the brightest mind in the galaxy. The fact that CSM Chairman, who was supposedely elected to represent the best of EVE, inciting others to provoke this unfortunate player to commit suicide, while admitting that he is mentally unstable, is COMPLETELY DETESTABLE. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
338
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:53:00 -
[194] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:1. Does anybody know this person who is supposedly "Suicidal" in real life
2. If you can not answer yes to question one then you can not comment on the mental condition of this person and whether they are genuinely or not.
For all we know this person is not Suicidal in any way shape or form and just over reacted to losing some pixels in a internet space game.
If somebody does know this person in real life and if they are genuinely Suicidal then what the hell are you doing letting somebody with that mind set play a game like Eve to begin with?
Also if it had been any other person who had said this then we wouldn't of had so many people trying to act as a Knight in Shining Armour trying to pretend they give a **** about this person.
The truth of the matter is that most people posting here against the The Mittani (and the goons as a whole) are just people who have been butt hurt in a internet space ship game and are trying to get what ever revenge then can against them because they have no other way.
You don't give a **** about the person in question, you just see this as your only way of trying to get at the goons.
What's worse, a person who openly mocks somebody with Suicidal thoughts because they lost some pixels in a internet space game or the person who pretends he cares about said person and just wants to exact some kind of revenge because they were butt hurt.
Your name suites you well, spiteful and a man of little stature, even a prince amongst such
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
367
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:53:00 -
[195] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:And the EULA applies to in game actions, do try to keep up. The game rules don't make any distinction about where you release peoples real world information. It simply says doing so is actionable. For example, opening a website to release EVE players real world information is also not allowed. Where is this player's "real world" information? -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

III LightBringer
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:54:00 -
[196] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?"
What would Roy do? |

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:54:00 -
[197] - Quote
was he logged into eve at the time? did he type/say it in eve? what about the forums? eve gate? i dont think u have to sign a eula to be at fanfest? |

StevieTopSiders
Evolution
14
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:55:00 -
[198] - Quote
Lawl. Cry harder about how you're saving lives. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
382
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:56:00 -
[199] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:1. Does anybody know this person who is supposedly "Suicidal" in real life
2. If you can not answer yes to question one then you can not comment on the mental condition of this person and whether they are genuinely or not.
For all we know this person is not Suicidal in any way shape or form and just over reacted to losing some pixels in a internet space game.
If somebody does know this person in real life and if they are genuinely Suicidal then what the hell are you doing letting somebody with that mind set play a game like Eve to begin with?
Also if it had been any other person who had said this then we wouldn't of had so many people trying to act as a Knight in Shining Armour trying to pretend they give a **** about this person.
The truth of the matter is that most people posting here against the The Mittani (and the goons as a whole) are just people who have been butt hurt in a internet space ship game and are trying to get what ever revenge then can against them because they have no other way.
You don't give a **** about the person in question, you just see this as your only way of trying to get at the goons.
What's worse, a person who openly mocks somebody with Suicidal thoughts because they lost some pixels in a internet space game or the person who pretends he cares about said person and just wants to exact some kind of revenge because they were butt hurt.
Encouraging any person to commit suicide in or out of game is a clear violation of the EULA, and many laws in most countries.
This sin't about bad poasting or forum rivalry. If you condone this you should seek help immediately. You are not healthy if you condone encouraging suicide. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Tommy Laughingface
MasterMined Technologies
19
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:56:00 -
[200] - Quote
If what he said is true, then yes, he should either apologize or be banned from the game and CSM. I support this thread. |
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Remove Gang-Links
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:56:00 -
[201] - Quote
Mittens is a complete tool, but he gets the job gone. Suicide or no suicide. |

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
40
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:57:00 -
[202] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:1. Does anybody know this person who is supposedly "Suicidal" in real life
2. If you can not answer yes to question one then you can not comment on the mental condition of this person and whether they are genuinely or not.
For all we know this person is not Suicidal in any way shape or form and just over reacted to losing some pixels in a internet space game.
Missing the point.
Whether the person is or is not ACTUALLY suicidal is utterly irrelevent.
INCITING that person (OR ANY PERSON) to commit suicide is reprehensible and wrong. |

Prince Kobol
302
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:58:00 -
[203] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:1. Does anybody know this person who is supposedly "Suicidal" in real life
2. If you can not answer yes to question one then you can not comment on the mental condition of this person and whether they are genuinely or not.
For all we know this person is not Suicidal in any way shape or form and just over reacted to losing some pixels in a internet space game.
If somebody does know this person in real life and if they are genuinely Suicidal then what the hell are you doing letting somebody with that mind set play a game like Eve to begin with?
Also if it had been any other person who had said this then we wouldn't of had so many people trying to act as a Knight in Shining Armour trying to pretend they give a **** about this person.
The truth of the matter is that most people posting here against the The Mittani (and the goons as a whole) are just people who have been butt hurt in a internet space ship game and are trying to get what ever revenge then can against them because they have no other way.
You don't give a **** about the person in question, you just see this as your only way of trying to get at the goons.
What's worse, a person who openly mocks somebody with Suicidal thoughts because they lost some pixels in a internet space game or the person who pretends he cares about said person and just wants to exact some kind of revenge because they were butt hurt. Your name suites you well, spiteful and a man of little stature, even a prince amongst such
Yet you are unable to answer any of my questions and just proves my point.
You do not know this person, you have no idea whether there is any truth to his claim.
Also you are quite clearly one of those who are using this situation as to their own advantage. You couldn't care less about this person.
You are even worse then those who have mocked him.
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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:02:00 -
[204] - Quote
http://www.develop-online.net/news/40316/CCP-investigation-into-suicidal-player-jokes
Wildfire. This things got legs. |

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
137
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:02:00 -
[205] - Quote
can we now voice record ts/vent/mumble and get peeps banned. what about msm? new metagaming tactic? |

Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
53
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:02:00 -
[206] - Quote
Genuinely suicidal people don't go around ablooblooblooing about it all the time and using threats to kill themselves to get there own way. That's sulky spoiled children who do that.
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Selinate
703
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:04:00 -
[207] - Quote
FYI, if you REALLY want to get CCP off their asses, you'll stage an unsub protest instead of this "call for resignation"..
That way, your vote with your wallet will encourage CCP to not allow any of this type of behavior which is a *bit* too prevalent in Eve.... |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:05:00 -
[208] - Quote
Pheusia wrote:Genuinely suicidal people don't go around ablooblooblooing about it all the time and using threats to kill themselves to get there own way. That's sulky spoiled children who do that.
How do you know? Have you committed suicide? |

stoicfaux
806
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:07:00 -
[209] - Quote
Also, Mittani is the freaking **Chairman of the CSM**. Whether he realizes it or not, it is a chairman's job to manage the committee's public relations, otherwise the committee risks its authority.
If Mittani isn't up to it, then CCP needs to assign a handler to the CSM, implement a basic code of conduct, and have the CSM approve/agree to it.
This isn't rocket science.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Bane Necran
131
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:12:00 -
[210] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Where is this player's "real world" information?
Ahh, just watched it again, thought he gave the guys RL name, not that of his character.
Doesn't really matter, though. It's not like we need several EULA violations to justify his boot. Simply telling thousands of EVE players to drive another player to suicide is more than enough.
And if he was really a lawyer for any length of time he'd know the "just joking" defense doesn't stand. |
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stoicfaux
806
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:13:00 -
[211] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:http://www.develop-online.net/news/40316/CCP-investigation-into-suicidal-player-jokes
Wildfire. This things got legs. Crap. It's too late. Guess I'm going to the grocery store for popcorn.
And there's the preamble to "we're throwing him under the bus."
Quote: CCP in no way condones the harassment of players, especially those who suffer from depression or suicidal thoughts, as we understand the possible consequences of such abhorrent behaviour. While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, we do take very seriously accusations of such behaviour between our players. "Furthermore, we have a suicide hotline protocol which has, in specific cases, made a difference for several unfortunately troubled players.GÇ¥
However, it should be interesting to see how CCP balances punishing Mittani without losing or angering the Goon and supports subscriptions. (He should be censured at the least, or his chairmanship removed at most, but not banned, IMHO.)
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2198
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:14:00 -
[212] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:http://www.develop-online.net/news/40316/CCP-investigation-into-suicidal-player-jokes
Wildfire. This things got legs.
Because the same unsubstantiated story has appeared on two websites nobody has ever heard of? lol The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

CEO Rockhound
The Treehugger Corp
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:17:00 -
[213] - Quote
So, The Smoske friends have joined forces on the web again I see?
Still mad at pixels?
I hear the sun rise at a beach is lovely this time of year... |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
109
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:17:00 -
[214] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:http://www.develop-online.net/news/40316/CCP-investigation-into-suicidal-player-jokes
Wildfire. This things got legs. Because the same unsubstantiated story has appeared on two websites nobody has ever heard of? lol
Goons will prevail under better leadership. Win-win scenario for all of us. Ladie Harlot, it's not too late to carry on his mantle.
Oh and trust me. You don't need any college degree to lead Goons. I humbly ask you though... that this time, at least have some moral decency. |

stoicfaux
806
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:18:00 -
[215] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:http://www.develop-online.net/news/40316/CCP-investigation-into-suicidal-player-jokes
Wildfire. This things got legs. Because the same unsubstantiated story has appeared on two websites nobody has ever heard of? lol Doesn't matter. Even if is an astro-turf story planted by anti-Mittani nutters, it forces CCP to issue a statement that they're false stories, which then forces CCP to address the "scandal." By forcing CCP's hand, it could lead to a rushed, non-optimal decision by them.
Again, the whole damn thing could have been defused before it got off the ground.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
|

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:19:00 -
[216] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:http://www.develop-online.net/news/40316/CCP-investigation-into-suicidal-player-jokes
Wildfire. This things got legs. Because the same unsubstantiated story has appeared on two websites nobody has ever heard of? lol
Please stop licking Mittani's ass |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
383
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:20:00 -
[217] - Quote
Selinate wrote:FYI, if you REALLY want to get CCP off their asses, you'll stage an unsub protest instead of this "call for resignation"..
That way, your vote with your wallet will encourage CCP to not allow any of this type of behavior which is a *bit* too prevalent in Eve....
You aren't allowed to do that anymore. Trust me. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:20:00 -
[218] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:http://www.develop-online.net/news/40316/CCP-investigation-into-suicidal-player-jokes
Wildfire. This things got legs. Because the same unsubstantiated story has appeared on two websites nobody has ever heard of? lol Please stop licking Mittani's ass
Licking? Going to need a backhoe to get that head outta there. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2198
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:21:00 -
[219] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:http://www.develop-online.net/news/40316/CCP-investigation-into-suicidal-player-jokes
Wildfire. This things got legs. Because the same unsubstantiated story has appeared on two websites nobody has ever heard of? lol Doesn't matter. Even if is an astro-turf story planted by anti-Mittani nutters, it forces CCP to issue a statement that they're false stories, which then forces CCP to address the "scandal." By forcing CCP's hand, it could lead to a rushed, non-optimal decision by them. Again, the whole damn thing could have been defused before it got off the ground.
Or they could continue to ignore it since it's just a handful of crazy people who hate Goons.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
103
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:23:00 -
[220] - Quote
Wow, I tried to read all the posts before posting, but everytime i got to the bottom of the page, a new page was added... damn..
Anyways, from the start, I assumed this was a made up story. I assumed this because the narrative of it seems to tell what the goons are about. If someone had threatened suicide and no suicide note is found with "MITTENS MADE ME DOEET @ FANFEST!!!!!" then it was a lie and it was a troll. You all been trolled.
On the other hand, if someone did killed himself because of the mittani, there'd be legal implications because of the recent bullying case where the verdict was guilty. And proof is all over the internet and on his DA's computer.
TL;DR: Until a sucide note with "The Mittani made me do it" if found, you all have been trolled.... HARD!
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Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:23:00 -
[221] - Quote
I'm rather surprised that Mittani as a person renowned for intelligence, media awareness and "getting things done" did not recognize in time what this might end up with. CCP will have to react to it whether or not they would like to.
Headlines in regular papers such as:
"Gaming company condones support for harassing suicidal players". "Player elected representative for large online game incites to harassing suicidal players" "CCP condones suicide". etc. etc.
If this reaches non-gaming media CCP is ******.
In order to keep a good chairman (the Mittani) he should suck up and make an apologia if not an apology, before this gets out of hand.
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ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
466
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:23:00 -
[222] - Quote
I did vote for Mittens. I still think that was kinda bad - as a lawyer, he should know better than to act like that. I'm sure there's some kind of legal loophole that could get him chucked in the slammer for 20 years and earn the prosecutor $20,000 an hour 
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
110
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:27:00 -
[223] - Quote
Metal Icarus wrote:Wow, I tried to read all the posts before posting, but everytime i got to the bottom of the page, a new page was added... damn..
Anyways, from the start, I assumed this was a made up story. I assumed this because the narrative of it seems to tell what the goons are about. If someone had threatened suicide and no suicide note is found with "MITTENS MADE ME DOEET @ FANFEST!!!!!" then it was a lie and it was a troll. You all been trolled.
On the other hand, if someone did killed himself because of the mittani, there'd be legal implications because of the recent bullying case where the verdict was guilty. And proof is all over the internet and on his DA's computer.
TL;DR: Until a sucide note with "The Mittani made me do it" is found, you all have been trolled.... HARD!
Please read the transcript of the former CSM panel during the Fanfest 2012 and watch the video of the Alliance Panel Presentation. I do not fabricate stories. |

Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:27:00 -
[224] - Quote
What I find most ironic about all of this is that it was Mittani who ended up committing political suicide.
Just deserts. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:28:00 -
[225] - Quote
I couldn't care less abour goons, The Mittani or the CSM. All I know is there are things that shouldn't be joked about, and this is one of them. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2200
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:29:00 -
[226] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:I couldn't care less abour goons, The Mittani or the CSM. All I know is there are things that shouldn't be joked about, and this is one of them.
You are wrong. Anybody who threatens suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:29:00 -
[227] - Quote
Satan: "*** damnit, what didn't the Mittani do?" |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:30:00 -
[228] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:http://www.develop-online.net/news/40316/CCP-investigation-into-suicidal-player-jokes
Wildfire. This things got legs. Because the same unsubstantiated story has appeared on two websites nobody has ever heard of? lol
Doesn't matter. The spread of news is exponential. Ninety percent, or probably more, of news outlets get their stories from other news outlets. Once its on the radar its only gunna spread. Also, almost no one reads news and thinks " Hmmm, maybe this isn't true."
Sorry, not trying to ruin your day Harlot, this is just how things are. =/ |

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
137
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:31:00 -
[229] - Quote
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. |

Tommy Laughingface
MasterMined Technologies
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:31:00 -
[230] - Quote
But where is the proof of this? If there is no proof, then this is some kind of heresy.... |
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Villandra Chassind
New Edens United Nation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:31:00 -
[231] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:I couldn't care less abour goons, The Mittani or the CSM. All I know is there are things that shouldn't be joked about, and this is one of them. You are wrong. Anybody who threatens suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
You are wrong. Video game or not, people invest in such things. Time, effort, money. What ever. A loss is a loss. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
110
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:32:00 -
[232] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:But where is the proof of this? If there is no proof, then this is some kind of heresy....
Please read the transcript of the former CSM panel during the Fanfest 2012 and watch the video of the Alliance Panel Presentation. I do not fabricate stories. |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:32:00 -
[233] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
You can't say that The Mittani lacks in the irony department. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1028
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:33:00 -
[234] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Also,
Likes received: 0
From 0 to 62 in one day. I think that says something about what the community thinks.
If the community can get CCP back on track after Incarna, I'm guessing the community getting the mittani removed from the CSM won't be much of a problem for them either.
If nothing else, mittens just gave CCP it's first public relations disaster of 2012. I don't see that they have much option since it started to hit the gaming press. Mainstream press will pick it up soon enough.
See ya, mittens.
Mr Epeen  Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:33:00 -
[235] - Quote
Aranakas wrote:What I find most ironic about all of this is that it was Mittani who ended up committing political suicide.
Just deserts.
Birds....
Coming home....
Roosting! |

DarthNefarius
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:34:00 -
[236] - Quote
Kehro Urgus wrote:His birth certificate is a forgery too. 
I heard mittens clubs baby seals & punches kittens too lol gimme a break he's a Goon expect him to act like a Goon: goonGÇé GÇé/gun/ Show Spelled[goon] Show IPA noun 1. Informal . a hired hoodlum or thug. 2. Slang . a. a stupid, foolish, or awkward person. b. a roughneck.
Origin: 1920GÇô25; shortened from dial. gooney, variant of obsolete gony a simpleton (< ?); influenced by the comic-strip character Alice the Goon in the series Thimble Theatre by E. C. Segar (1894GÇô1938), American cartoonist Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Dictionary, -¬ Random House, Inc. 2012.
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally"
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Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:34:00 -
[237] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:I couldn't care less abour goons, The Mittani or the CSM. All I know is there are things that shouldn't be joked about, and this is one of them. You are wrong. Anybody who threatens suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
You can defend your overlord all you want. I know that anyone who does that is probably bluffing, and this guy is no exception. But even if there is a slight chance of it being true, you can't publicly encourage people to mock him until he commits suicide, even less if you represent a community. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2200
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:35:00 -
[238] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:http://www.develop-online.net/news/40316/CCP-investigation-into-suicidal-player-jokes
Wildfire. This things got legs. Because the same unsubstantiated story has appeared on two websites nobody has ever heard of? lol Doesn't matter. The spread of news is exponential. Ninety percent, or probably more, of news outlets get their stories from other news outlets. Once its on the radar its only gunna spread. Also, almost no one reads news and thinks " Hmmm, maybe this isn't true." Sorry, not trying to ruin your day Harlot, this is just how things are. =/
Believe me, my day is not being ruined. The more publicity we get the more people we get contacting our "Recruiters" in-game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Tommy Laughingface
MasterMined Technologies
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:35:00 -
[239] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:But where is the proof of this? If there is no proof, then this is some kind of heresy.... Please read the transcript of the former CSM panel during the Fanfest 2012 and watch the video of the Alliance Panel Presentation. I do not fabricate stories.
I couldn't find the link in the original post for this, where can I see the transcript and the video? |

ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
466
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:35:00 -
[240] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote: If nothing else, mittens just gave CCP it's first public relations disaster of 2012.
Mittens took the "I'm anonymous over the interwebs, therefore I can be a ****" attitude far too far. Saying this kinda **** in front of thousands of people...
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
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Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:35:00 -
[241] - Quote
You have to also consider the other players as well who saw this and thought it was pretty messed up, but who aren't vocalizing their opinions on the forums. I urged the ones who Eve mailed me (after seeing my gripe in a few rage posts right after the panel) to contact CCP about it.
It's likely we'll see a response one way or the other from CCP. I also worry that this might put a damper on this year's otherwise awesome fanfest. This is why we can't have nice things  |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2200
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:36:00 -
[242] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:I couldn't care less abour goons, The Mittani or the CSM. All I know is there are things that shouldn't be joked about, and this is one of them. You are wrong. Anybody who threatens suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked. You can defend your overlord all you want. I know that anyone who does that is probably bluffing, and this guy is no exception. But even if there is a slight chance of it being true, you can't publicly encourage people to mock him until he commits suicide, even less if you represent a community.
So in the future anytime somebody gets scammed all they have to do is threaten suicide and CCP will have to cave in to them?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2200
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:37:00 -
[243] - Quote
Azriel Geist wrote:You have to also consider the other players as well who saw this and thought it was pretty messed up, but who aren't vocalizing their opinions on the forums. I urged the ones who Eve mailed me (after seeing my gripe in a few rage posts right after the panel) in-game to contact CCP about it. It's likely we'll see a response one way or the other from CCP. I also worry that this might put a damper on this year's otherwise awesome fanfest. This is why we can't have nice things 
"The lurkers support me in e-mail"
Wow...haven't heard that one since usenet flamewars of old.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Bane Necran
132
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:37:00 -
[244] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:You are wrong. Anybody who threatens suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
He was not mocking someone about threatening suicide, he told people to make someone kill himself. You can say he was just kidding, but in the grown-up world that doesn't work very well.
I think you're smart enough to know all that, and are just playing dumb. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
343
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:37:00 -
[245] - Quote
Yes your gamestyle is so the most important point to come out of this isn't it 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:38:00 -
[246] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:I couldn't care less abour goons, The Mittani or the CSM. All I know is there are things that shouldn't be joked about, and this is one of them. You are wrong. Anybody who threatens suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked. You can defend your overlord all you want. I know that anyone who does that is probably bluffing, and this guy is no exception. But even if there is a slight chance of it being true, you can't publicly encourage people to mock him until he commits suicide, even less if you represent a community. So in the future anytime somebody gets scammed all they have to do is threaten suicide and CCP will have to cave in to them?
The point is, he should know better as the highest representative of the player base. This is politics and since he's a space politician, you'd think he would've known this. |

Selinate
703
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:38:00 -
[247] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Selinate wrote:FYI, if you REALLY want to get CCP off their asses, you'll stage an unsub protest instead of this "call for resignation"..
That way, your vote with your wallet will encourage CCP to not allow any of this type of behavior which is a *bit* too prevalent in Eve.... You aren't allowed to do that anymore. Trust me.
I just checked, I'm pretty sure I'm still allowed to press the unsub button... |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:38:00 -
[248] - Quote
Pheusia wrote:Genuinely suicidal people don't go around ablooblooblooing about it all the time and using threats to kill themselves to get there own way. That's sulky spoiled children who do that.
Some actually do come right out and say it. Had a friend of mine tell another that he was going to. Was pretty pissed off at the guy for a long time because he never did or said anything about it....and dude killed himself. Was a really good guy. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:39:00 -
[249] - Quote
Katarina Reid wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site.
If Mitty would have destroyed that conference room the panel was in CCP would have had to pay to have it fixed. I would say it was in their jurisdiction. It was the eve fanfest, not Mitty's goonfest. |

DarthNefarius
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:39:00 -
[250] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:I couldn't care less abour goons, The Mittani or the CSM. All I know is there are things that shouldn't be joked about, and this is one of them. You are wrong. Anybody who threatens suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
As I recall the last person whom threatened suicide over Eve was a botter scared he'd be perma banned. CCP called the police & tracked it down to an Italian man... Icelandic police refferred it to the Italian police whom knocked on his door & made sure he's ok. ( True story from an Italian newpapper ) why can't i clear this sig? |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2200
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:39:00 -
[251] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Selinate wrote:FYI, if you REALLY want to get CCP off their asses, you'll stage an unsub protest instead of this "call for resignation"..
That way, your vote with your wallet will encourage CCP to not allow any of this type of behavior which is a *bit* too prevalent in Eve.... You aren't allowed to do that anymore. Trust me. I just checked, I'm pretty sure I'm still allowed to press the unsub button...
You are no longer allowed to incite others to do so.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

stoicfaux
806
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:40:00 -
[252] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:http://www.develop-online.net/news/40316/CCP-investigation-into-suicidal-player-jokes
Wildfire. This things got legs. Because the same unsubstantiated story has appeared on two websites nobody has ever heard of? lol Doesn't matter. Even if is an astro-turf story planted by anti-Mittani nutters, it forces CCP to issue a statement that they're false stories, which then forces CCP to address the "scandal." By forcing CCP's hand, it could lead to a rushed, non-optimal decision by them. Again, the whole damn thing could have been defused before it got off the ground. Or they could continue to ignore it since it's just a handful of crazy people who hate Goons. You're still not thinking it through.
If the story is false, then CCP *must* deny it immediately or risk other news sites from picking up the story and then either re-running it as is or doing investigations of their own. The longer the "scandal" is out in the wild, the greater the chance of it flaring out of control and the more difficult it will be for CCP to spin/handle the negative publicity. And the greater the negative publicity, the greater the punishment that will be handed down on Mittani.
Again, this is becoming less about something said in bad taste or even a character assassination attempt and is instead turning into an out of control situation for other people to generate ad revenue with a sensationalist story.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1298
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:40:00 -
[253] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
So goonswarm jihaddists are mockworthy?
thanx for clearing that one up |

Tommy Laughingface
MasterMined Technologies
20
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:41:00 -
[254] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:[quote=Heimatar Auctioneer] I couldn't find the link in the original post for this, where can I see the transcript and the video?
Anyone?
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Selinate
703
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:41:00 -
[255] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Selinate wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Selinate wrote:FYI, if you REALLY want to get CCP off their asses, you'll stage an unsub protest instead of this "call for resignation"..
That way, your vote with your wallet will encourage CCP to not allow any of this type of behavior which is a *bit* too prevalent in Eve.... You aren't allowed to do that anymore. Trust me. I just checked, I'm pretty sure I'm still allowed to press the unsub button... You are no longer allowed to incite others to do so.
Well I just took it there. |

Walker Ahashion
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:41:00 -
[256] - Quote
Some of the anti cyber bullying sites in the States have picked up on this now. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:42:00 -
[257] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:I couldn't care less abour goons, The Mittani or the CSM. All I know is there are things that shouldn't be joked about, and this is one of them. You are wrong. Anybody who threatens suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked. You can defend your overlord all you want. I know that anyone who does that is probably bluffing, and this guy is no exception. But even if there is a slight chance of it being true, you can't publicly encourage people to mock him until he commits suicide, even less if you represent a community. So in the future anytime somebody gets scammed all they have to do is threaten suicide and CCP will have to cave in to them?
You got it all wrong. This has nothing to do with him threatening to kill himself, is about the CSM chairman publicly encouraging people to mock him until he commits suicide. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2200
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:43:00 -
[258] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked. So goonswarm jihaddists are mockworthy? thanx for clearing that one up
Absolutely. Jihadding is a tired gimmick.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
111
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:43:00 -
[259] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Selinate wrote:FYI, if you REALLY want to get CCP off their asses, you'll stage an unsub protest instead of this "call for resignation"..
That way, your vote with your wallet will encourage CCP to not allow any of this type of behavior which is a *bit* too prevalent in Eve.... You aren't allowed to do that anymore. Trust me. I just checked, I'm pretty sure I'm still allowed to press the unsub button...
No no no. We do not want ANYONE to unsub their accounts. It only requires simple action from CCP: dismissing Mittani the Great from his unwarranted CSM Chairmanship.
No more red carpet treatment for Mittani the Great.
No more operating expenses spent on Mittani the Great's flight and longing expenses to Iceland.
Iceland deserves a better person to set on its soil. |

ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
466
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:43:00 -
[260] - Quote
Hmm... Isn't encouraging suicide technically helping someone kill themself? I'm pretty sure that's illegal...
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
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adopt
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
319
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:43:00 -
[261] - Quote
Hey, Hey guise. The Mittani has been bad man. PUNISH HIM. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:43:00 -
[262] - Quote
Ok...let me preface this by saying that I'm not a "NPC corp alt", but in fact a new player. Therefore, my opinion doesn't matter. However, I'm going to give it anyway:
1. Whether or not a player is "suicidal" is irrelevant.
2. The rules explicitly state that harassment is not permitted.
3. The Mittani publicly requested people to harass this player in an out-of-game forum (albeit one sanctioned by the game company).
This seems to me to be more like a Charles Manson-esque situation. He's suggesting that people should break the game rules. He's not actually breaking any rules himself, and whether or not people choose to harass this guy is their decision. From a purely logical standpoint, The Mittani has broken no rules.
The real argument here is whether or not having a CSM member suggest that players break game rules "for the lulz" is acceptable conduct. Well, that's subjective. There's no ruleset there. That's something for CCP to decide, not us (or since I'm a noob, I guess it's more for "you" to decide since none of you probably consider me to be part of your little e-Spaceship group).
Personally, I think he should at least apologize for requesting people break the rules by harassing this guy. However, I think removing him from the CSM panel would be a bit illogical as once again, he hasn't actually broken any rules.
What I would suggest is that CCP further codify CSM conduct, and CSM term limits may not be a bad idea. Again, my useless opinion but I'm tossing it out there.
Thank you for ignoring my noob pubbie wall-o-text. Did I use that "pubbie" expression right?
-Ami |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2200
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:43:00 -
[263] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:You got it all wrong. This has nothing to do with him threatening to kill himself, is about the CSM chairman publicly encouraging people to mock him until he commits suicide.
No, it's about how CCP deals with people pretending to be suicidal to avoid having to face consequences of their actions in-game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
67
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:44:00 -
[264] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:[If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions. You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? My moral code is far different from your moral code. You are not allowed to define what my moral code is and that's a fact of life. Morality has always been subjective to interpretation and how we define things to be good and bad on a case by case basis. For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day. "I'm going to kill myself." "Okay. And?" From what you've written, I take it Karadion is probably an alt of the Mittani? If your actions goaded someone into doing something then you are at least partially responsible for the outcome. It's not just about someone making poor decisions some people can be influenced by others and in the case of people with mental health issues they're even more vulnerable.
This is a completely ridiculous statement. If someone is pushed over the edge and commits suicide because I wore brown shoes, that in no way inculpates me.
Reductio ad absurdum, certainly. But the principle holds. People are ultimately responsible for their own actions. Trying to insinuate some moral culpability because someone may have committed suicide because people on the Internet were mean to them is ridiculous. |

Tommy Laughingface
MasterMined Technologies
20
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:44:00 -
[265] - Quote
Well, I thought it's terrible after I read the story, but nobody seems to have the actual transcript and video, so this could be false altogether. |

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:44:00 -
[266] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. If Mitty would have destroyed that conference room the panel was in CCP would have had to pay to have it fixed. I would say it was in their jurisdiction. It was the eve fanfest, not Mitty's goonfest.
so is fanfest game servers or web site? |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
111
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:47:00 -
[267] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Ok...let me preface this by saying that I'm not a "NPC corp alt", but in fact a new player. Therefore, my opinion doesn't matter. However, I'm going to give it anyway:
1. Whether or not a player is "suicidal" is irrelevant.
2. The rules explicitly state that harassment is not permitted.
3. The Mittani publicly requested people to harass this player in an out-of-game forum (albeit one sanctioned by the game company).
This seems to me to be more like a Charles Manson-esque situation. He's suggesting that people should break the game rules. He's not actually breaking any rules himself, and whether or not people choose to harass this guy is their decision. From a purely logical standpoint, The Mittani has broken no rules.
The real argument here is whether or not having a CSM member suggest that players break game rules "for the lulz" is acceptable conduct. Well, that's subjective. There's no ruleset there. That's something for CCP to decide, not us (or since I'm a noob, I guess it's more for "you" to decide since none of you probably consider me to be part of your little e-Spaceship group).
Personally, I think he should at least apologize for requesting people break the rules by harassing this guy. However, I think removing him from the CSM panel would be a bit illogical as once again, he hasn't actually broken any rules.
What I would suggest is that CCP further codify CSM conduct, and CSM term limits may not be a bad idea. Again, my useless opinion but I'm tossing it out there.
Thank you for ignoring my noob pubbie wall-o-text. Did I use that "pubbie" expression right?
-Ami
As a subscriber of this great game, you have no lesser rights than those who have played more, but certainly vastly more than someone who brings negative media exposure to our EVE Online. You are on a equal footing relative to all others who subscribe this game. Your voice is equally valued. |

Selinate
703
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:51:00 -
[268] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
No no no. We do not want ANYONE to unsub their accounts. It only requires simple action from CCP: dismissing Mittani the Great from his unwarranted CSM Chairmanship.
No more red carpet treatment for Mittani the Great.
No more operating expenses spent on Mittani the Great's flight and longing expenses to Iceland.
Iceland deserves a better person to set on its soil.
Ok, watch what you want to get done not get done then. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:51:00 -
[269] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:You got it all wrong. This has nothing to do with him threatening to kill himself, is about the CSM chairman publicly encouraging people to mock him until he commits suicide. No, it's about how CCP deals with people pretending to be suicidal to avoid having to face consequences of their actions in-game.
I see that you fail to see my point, so I'll post an example to see if I can make people understand.
Imagine for a moment that this guy was honest about commiting suicide. I know is highly unlikely, but WTH, stranger things have happened. So now the chairman of the CSM makes his evemail public and as a result of that he receives hundreds of mails mocking him. That situation finally makes him hang himself.
Would you still defend what he did if it came to this case? |

Tommy Laughingface
MasterMined Technologies
20
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:51:00 -
[270] - Quote
Why can you all discuss how to handle the situation if there is no proof presented in the original post???
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2201
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:52:00 -
[271] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Imagine for a moment that this guy was honest about commiting suicide
He wasn't so the rest of your point is invalid.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
80
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:53:00 -
[272] - Quote
Katarina Reid wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. If Mitty would have destroyed that conference room the panel was in CCP would have had to pay to have it fixed. I would say it was in their jurisdiction. It was the eve fanfest, not Mitty's goonfest. so is fanfest game servers or web site?
No, but is a CCP hosted event.
Think about this for one second. If this dude did kill himself, and his family/loved ones discovered that he had been mocked publicly and someone encouraged others to harrass him at a CCP event, what do you think this would do to their public image.
Doesn't matter if the guy meant it or not, Suicide is not funny, despite what the internet hardmen/spegers think. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:54:00 -
[273] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Imagine for a moment that this guy was honest about commiting suicide He wasn't so the rest of your point is invalid.
My point was imagine for a moment that he was, even if he wasn't, so your point is invalid |

Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
27
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:55:00 -
[274] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:Why can you all discuss how to handle the situation if there is no proof presented in the original post???
Because it was seen live? |

My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
23
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:55:00 -
[275] - Quote
OP is just Butt Hurt that Mittens stomped our Riverini
UMADBRO? ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2212
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:55:00 -
[276] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Imagine for a moment that this guy was honest about commiting suicide He wasn't so the rest of your point is invalid. My point was imagine for a moment that he was, even if he wasn't, so your point is invalid
Why deal in hypotheticals when we can look at what really happened?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Tommy Laughingface
MasterMined Technologies
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:56:00 -
[277] - Quote
Have you guys all seen this with your own eyes? from either transcript or the video? If not, then you shouldn't discuss on this, u might be jumping onto conclusions. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:57:00 -
[278] - Quote
Katarina Reid wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. If Mitty would have destroyed that conference room the panel was in CCP would have had to pay to have it fixed. I would say it was in their jurisdiction. It was the eve fanfest, not Mitty's goonfest. so is fanfest game servers or web site?
Yeah, you got me. I missed servers and website. He is still gone though regardless of what any CCP document might say.
In fact I'm gunna go out on a limb here and predict that the video of him saying what he said ends up on national news within 48 hours. Probably less actually. I wonder if its sunk in for him yet just exactly what he's done to himself. I've seen the video, and it looks bad, real bad, and its gunna look even worse once they edit it. |

Tommy Laughingface
MasterMined Technologies
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:57:00 -
[279] - Quote
Danfen Fenix wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:Why can you all discuss how to handle the situation if there is no proof presented in the original post???
Because it was seen live? You say it was on live, but where is the vid then? Doesn't anyone have a recording? |

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:57:00 -
[280] - Quote
Chiggy W wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. If Mitty would have destroyed that conference room the panel was in CCP would have had to pay to have it fixed. I would say it was in their jurisdiction. It was the eve fanfest, not Mitty's goonfest. so is fanfest game servers or web site? No, but is a CCP hosted event. Think about this for one second. If this dude did kill himself, and his family/loved ones discovered that he had been mocked publicly and someone encouraged others to harrass him at a CCP event, what do you think this would do to their public image. Doesn't matter if the guy meant it or not, Suicide is not funny, despite what the internet hardmen/spegers think.
What happens to ccp's public image is irrelevant if he broke no rules. If he broke a law call the cops? |
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Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:59:00 -
[281] - Quote
Watching reasonable posts get likes.
Watching Ladie Harlot do damage control.
Popping popcorn, here goes the rest of my sick day. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
115
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 16:59:00 -
[282] - Quote
My Neutral Toon wrote:OP is just Butt Hurt that Mittens stomped our Riverini
UMADBRO?
Ummm.... no? I had tremendous respect for Mittani the Great until he decided to undone EVERYTHING he has accomplished in a single day.
He is eloquent and he definitely knows how to command crowds. He's probably the top pick for CCP as CSM Chair until he decided to incite thousands of others to provoke a known suicidal to commit suicide.
I do not hate Goons. Goons just needs a better leadership and Goons will prevail without him. |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:01:00 -
[283] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:Why can you all discuss how to handle the situation if there is no proof presented in the original post???
Because it was seen live? You say it was on live, but where is the vid then? Doesn't anyone have a recording? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:01:00 -
[284] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Imagine for a moment that this guy was honest about commiting suicide He wasn't so the rest of your point is invalid. My point was imagine for a moment that he was, even if he wasn't, so your point is invalid Why deal in hypotheticals when we can look at what really happened?
Exactly, what happened is that the CSM chairman encouraged thousands of people to mock a player until he commits suicide, if you fail to see how wrong is that then there is no hope for you. |

Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:01:00 -
[285] - Quote
Karadion wrote: I did not pick the outcome or their threat therefore I am not responsible. These people make those choices out of their own doing. Say the bank does a foreclosure on your house and you threaten to kill yourself because you failed to pay your mortgage, why is it the bank's fault? Are you saying that the bank should just back off and let the person keep his home because his life is a good bargaining chip against anyone? "Sorry, Todd. I'm leaving you." "You turbonigger *****, I'm going to kill myself if you leave". My friend had her boyfriend did that to her and I told her to leave anyways. She's not responsible no differently than I am responsible for some douchebag that threatens to kill themselves because I scammed them out of their possessions.
There is a significant difference in the two scenarios.
To put them into alignment, in your example, the bank would actively be taunting the person who feels upset over the foreclosure.
So, after the bank does the foreclosure and you threaten to kill yourself the bank comes back to you and starts telling you that you should. Then, the bank actively enlists the 'support' of other banks and other institutions to all send 'encouragement' to you to kill yourself.
In your friend's situation, it is the same thing, you did not start messaging the ex-boyfriend with messages to 'go ahead and kill yourself' instead you supported your friend in their decision to leave without further disturbing the ex.
The line that got crossed isn't so much that someone claimed that they would kill themselves it is the active encouragement to do so and the soliciting of others to encourage it as well.
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BoodaBooda
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
74
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:01:00 -
[286] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: on the first week of your CSM chairmanship
This *****
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:02:00 -
[287] - Quote
lol |

Teeyube Steak
Our Thing
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:02:00 -
[288] - Quote
Jonathan Malcom wrote:[quote=Sasha Azala][quote=Karadion]
This is a completely ridiculous statement. If someone is pushed over the edge and commits suicide because I wore brown shoes, that in no way inculpates me.
Reductio ad absurdum, certainly. But the principle holds. People are ultimately responsible for their own actions. Trying to insinuate some moral culpability because someone may have committed suicide because people on the Internet were mean to them is ridiculous.
No your argument is ridiculous. You're taking a passive action - 'wearing brown shoes' and assuming that it is a suitable representation of an active action - 'inciting people to harrassment'. This is obviously either a failure on your part to understand the difference or a purposeful omission. By your logic it should be ok to shoot someone and then claim that they were dying anyway. No reasonable person could argue that this is a passive act - certainly not someone as apparently intelligent as Mittani.
Blowing up ships - ok Asking people to harrass a (potentially) suicidal person - not ok.
Oh, and the whole thing was broadcast via a live stream; CCP are most certainly culpable for anything they broadcast, including incitement to harrassment (not passive (just thought I'd help you out there)). |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:02:00 -
[289] - Quote
GUYS, MITTANI HAD FUN AT ANOTHER PERSON'S EXPENSE |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:03:00 -
[290] - Quote
THIS HAS LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED IN EVE ONLINE BEFORE |
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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:04:00 -
[291] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Tommy Laughingface wrote:Why can you all discuss how to handle the situation if there is no proof presented in the original post???
Because it was seen live? You say it was on live, but where is the vid then? Doesn't anyone have a recording?
There was a link to YouTube earlier in this thread to a video someone captured of the live feed. It has to be down by now and probably removed from YouTube if CCP is doing a good job. If I had a copy of that video though I would be calling all the news outlets seeing what they would offer me for it. What? Buying plexes with the money I made from selling the video of mitty's implosion? Now THAT is how you win Eve! |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2212
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:04:00 -
[292] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Imagine for a moment that this guy was honest about commiting suicide He wasn't so the rest of your point is invalid. My point was imagine for a moment that he was, even if he wasn't, so your point is invalid Why deal in hypotheticals when we can look at what really happened? Exactly, what happened is that the CSM chairman encouraged thousands of people to mock a player until he commits suicide, if you fail to see how wrong is that then there is no hope for you.
So now all a player has to do to avoid facing consequences for being scammed is claim they are suicidal? What about losing a ship in a fight...what if that makes somebody suicidal?
Anybody who does that deserves to be ridiculed.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:05:00 -
[293] - Quote
(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:06:00 -
[294] - Quote
he was just role playing guys no need to worry |

Xeross155
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:06:00 -
[295] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer Why the F do you keep quoting me.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:07:00 -
[296] - Quote
(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer (1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer (1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer (1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer (1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2213
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:09:00 -
[297] - Quote
Azriel Geist wrote:Watching Ladie Harlot do damage control.
There's no need for damage control since there was no damage done.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Selinate
703
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:09:00 -
[298] - Quote
Xeross155 wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer Why the F do you keep quoting me.
Have you ever had a 10 year old copy every thing you said just to annoy you?
Yeah... not that hard to figure out... |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:09:00 -
[299] - Quote
give me my isk back or i'll biomass |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:09:00 -
[300] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Xeross155 wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:(1:04:28 PM) Xeross: Why are you saying you're suicidal in a chat with a scammer Why the F do you keep quoting me. Have you ever had a 10 year old copy every thing you said just to annoy you? Yeah... not that hard to figure out...
Hey man, what's up? |
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Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
215
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:10:00 -
[301] - Quote
And some more publicity at Edge-Online
CCP is going into damage control, but it is far too late. They allowed it to get to the extent that it did at FF without pulling the plug on it so there will be some fingers pointed their way for sure.
No matter what is now said by CCP, they allowed a representative of their company, being member of the CSM to make the comments at a televised venue sanctioned by them.
Just a guess, but I don't think we'll see an 'open mic' panel at next years FF without there being strict conduct rules for those involved.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:10:00 -
[302] - Quote
No guys, let me confide in this complete stranger that I'm suicidal, nbd. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:11:00 -
[303] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: So now all a player has to do to avoid facing consequences for being scammed is claim they are suicidal? What about losing a ship in a fight...what if that makes somebody suicidal?
Anybody who does that deserves to be ridiculed.
Of course not, I'm not implying that CCP should give him the isk back. They should take actions aganist the Mittani.
And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned, because no scammer is stupid enough to encourage other players to mock them until suicide in front of hundreds of people in the fanfest. Period. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2213
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:12:00 -
[304] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:they allowed a representative of their company
The Mittani is not employed by CCP.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
27
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:12:00 -
[305] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
So now all a player has to do to avoid facing consequences for being scammed is claim they are suicidal? What about losing a ship in a fight...what if that makes somebody suicidal?
Anybody who does that deserves to be ridiculed.
What is so wrong with you to not understand that encouraging someone to commit suicide, or encouraging others to try and push them to that point, is plain wrong?
The fact that they admitted whether or not they were suicidal is beyond the point. Trying to encourage others to make it happen, whether it is a joke or not, is morally sick, disturbing, and frankly could quite be seen as illegal if it goes further (say if the person did carry out the act). |

Kesper North
Gentlemen of Means Gentlemen's Agreement
38
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:12:00 -
[306] - Quote
But guys, Goonswarm LOVES you! Mittens said it out of LOVE! Wasn't that clear in the presentation? Right there in huge letters at the top of the screen? |

Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
81
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:12:00 -
[307] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
So now all a player has to do to avoid facing consequences for being scammed is claim they are suicidal? What about losing a ship in a fight...what if that makes somebody suicidal?
Anybody who does that deserves to be ridiculed.
No, scamming is and should be allowed to happen. The problem is the mocking, and the harrasment. If someone gets scammed and claims to be suicidal, you report it to CCP and leave it be. By going public and mocking them while encouraging others to do the same you have crossed a line.
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Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
27
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:12:00 -
[308] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:they allowed a representative of their company The Mittani is not employed by CCP.
He is still classed as a volunteer representative. Just because there is no money invovled, does not mean he does not class as a representative. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2213
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:13:00 -
[309] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned
That's exactly what is happening in all of these threads.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:13:00 -
[310] - Quote
Guys I'm suicidal due to your bad posting.
If you continue I might do something drastic... |
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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:13:00 -
[311] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: So now all a player has to do to avoid facing consequences for being scammed is claim they are suicidal? What about losing a ship in a fight...what if that makes somebody suicidal?
Anybody who does that deserves to be ridiculed.
Of course not, I'm not implying that CCP should give him the isk back. They should take actions aganist the Mittani. And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned, because no scammer is stupid enough to encourage other players to mock them until suicide in front of hundreds of people in the fanfest. Period.
Listen to this one Harlot. He is wise. |

Xeross155
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:13:00 -
[312] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Guys I'm suicidal due to your bad posting.
If you continue I might do something drastic... No Ender, that will make the bad posting average significantly better |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2213
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:14:00 -
[313] - Quote
Danfen Fenix wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:they allowed a representative of their company The Mittani is not employed by CCP. He is still classed as a volunteer representative. Just because there is no money invovled, does not mean he does not class as a representative.
No, he's a representative of the CSM.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:14:00 -
[314] - Quote
i will definitely do it if you gank my hulk again
if you dare post the killmail i will report you for harassment |

SPAECMARNIES
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:14:00 -
[315] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Guys I'm suicidal due to your bad posting.
If you continue I might do something drastic...
Biomass and quit this game already. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:15:00 -
[316] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Guys I'm suicidal due to your bad posting.
If you continue I might do something drastic...
Which is why I would never tell thousands of people to harass you. |

Bane Necran
133
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:15:00 -
[317] - Quote
EnderCapitalG, as fun as blaming the victim is, you can't freely run over jaywalkers because they should be on the crosswalk.
Just because he gave you the opportunity doesn't mean you're justified to act on it. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2213
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:15:00 -
[318] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: So now all a player has to do to avoid facing consequences for being scammed is claim they are suicidal? What about losing a ship in a fight...what if that makes somebody suicidal?
Anybody who does that deserves to be ridiculed.
Of course not, I'm not implying that CCP should give him the isk back. They should take actions aganist the Mittani. And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned, because no scammer is stupid enough to encourage other players to mock them until suicide in front of hundreds of people in the fanfest. Period. Listen to this one Harlot. He is wise.
No he's not. If CCP does what he wants then any time somebody doesn't like what happens in-game they can claim they are suicidal and get what they want. It would be a disaster.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
27
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:15:00 -
[319] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:they allowed a representative of their company The Mittani is not employed by CCP. He is still classed as a volunteer representative. Just because there is no money invovled, does not mean he does not class as a representative. No, he's a representative of the CSM.
And the CSM are seen as the representatives employed by CCP to present to them the players voice...
Unless of course you are now undermining the entire point behind the CSM... |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2213
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:15:00 -
[320] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:EnderCapitalG, as fun as blaming the victim is, you can't freely run over jaywalkers because they should be on the crosswalk.
Just because he gave you the opportunity doesn't mean you're justified to act on it.
Well hitting people with your car is against the law. Making fun of stupid people isn't.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:16:00 -
[321] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Guys I'm suicidal due to your bad posting.
If you continue I might do something drastic...
Hey guys, Should all harass ender....
oops. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2214
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:16:00 -
[322] - Quote
Danfen Fenix wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:they allowed a representative of their company The Mittani is not employed by CCP. He is still classed as a volunteer representative. Just because there is no money invovled, does not mean he does not class as a representative. No, he's a representative of the CSM. And the CSM are seen as the representatives employed by CCP to present to them the players voice... Unless of course you are now undermining the entire point behind the CSM...
The CSM doesn't work for CCP.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:16:00 -
[323] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: So now all a player has to do to avoid facing consequences for being scammed is claim they are suicidal? What about losing a ship in a fight...what if that makes somebody suicidal?
Anybody who does that deserves to be ridiculed.
Of course not, I'm not implying that CCP should give him the isk back. They should take actions aganist the Mittani. And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned, because no scammer is stupid enough to encourage other players to mock them until suicide in front of hundreds of people in the fanfest. Period. Listen to this one Harlot. He is wise. No he's not. If CCP does what he wants then any time somebody doesn't like what happens in-game they can claim they are suicidal and get what they want. It would be a disaster.
The word you need to learn about is "context." |

Red Teufel
Blackened Skies THE UNTHINKABLES
48
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:17:00 -
[324] - Quote
This reminds me of a song
Link |

Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:17:00 -
[325] - Quote
This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.
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Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:17:00 -
[326] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: So now all a player has to do to avoid facing consequences for being scammed is claim they are suicidal? What about losing a ship in a fight...what if that makes somebody suicidal?
Anybody who does that deserves to be ridiculed.
Of course not, I'm not implying that CCP should give him the isk back. They should take actions aganist the Mittani. And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned, because no scammer is stupid enough to encourage other players to mock them until suicide in front of hundreds of people in the fanfest. Period. Listen to this one Harlot. He is wise. No he's not. If CCP does what he wants then any time somebody doesn't like what happens in-game they can claim they are suicidal and get what they want. It would be a disaster.
As I said earlier, it does not matter if someone claimed they are suicidal.
What matters is that a player has seen it fit to try and encourage others to try to push that person in to commiting suicide. Whether or not the person is suicidal is beyond the point. |

Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
48
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:18:00 -
[327] - Quote
watch all those goonscum pigs defending their idol |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:18:00 -
[328] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Guys I'm suicidal due to your bad posting.
If you continue I might do something drastic... Hey guys, Should all harass ender.... oops.
AGREED |

Xeross155
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:19:00 -
[329] - Quote
The Mittani is a representative on spaceship issues and making spaceships better, not a ******* psychologist for suicidal players. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:19:00 -
[330] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned That's exactly what is happening in all of these threads.
Why don't you quote the entire post?
Pepinillos wrote:because no scammer is stupid enough to encourage other players to mock them until suicide in front of hundreds of people in the fanfest. Period. |
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Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:19:00 -
[331] - Quote
Is this really 16 pages of A BLOO BLOO about some rando high sec pubbie blogging about his miserable irl life in an evemail to a rando stranger?
If CCP wanted to feel accountable for their actions they should have pre-screened the alliance presentations. There were no guidelines on them. I can tell you all to go kill yourselves just like you can tell me to go **** myself. It's the game we play in the environment we play it in. If CCP has an issue with it, they should change the rules of the game. Harassment isn't allowed, but much like anything else harassment is subjective.
In closing,
DEAL
WITH
IT
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Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:19:00 -
[332] - Quote
I will agree to CCP applying consequences for this behavior, IF, CCP can provide us with a button in our client that will display the mental history of the player who is complaining of suicidal thoughts.
In addition to this, each player will have to agree to a revised EULA which will clearly state that if you threaten suicide in game, the GMs will call an ambulance, at your expense, to take you to the nearest ER for psychological observation.
Also, if you refuse treatment and fail to commit suicide, you will be permabanned for feigning mental illness.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:20:00 -
[333] - Quote
Aryndel Vyst wrote:Is this really 16 pages of A BLOO BLOO about some rando high sec pubbie blogging about his miserable irl life in an evemail to a rando stranger?
If CCP wanted to feel accountable for their actions they should have pre-screened the alliance presentations. There were no guidelines on them. I can tell you all to go kill yourselves just like you can tell me to go **** myself. It's the game we play in the environment we play it in. If CCP has an issue with it, they should change the rules of the game. Harassment isn't allowed, but much like anything else harassment is subjective.
In closing,
DEAL
WITH
IT
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2214
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:20:00 -
[334] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote: Why don't you quote the entire post?
Because it didn't make any sense. I was trying to avoid making you look bad.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

stoicfaux
806
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:21:00 -
[335] - Quote
Tommy Laughingface wrote:Have you guys all seen this with your own eyes? from either transcript or the video? If not, then you shouldn't discuss on this, u might be jumping onto conclusions. Here's the evidence that I've seen so far: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1003871#post1003871
IMO, it's a bit overblown, but still enough in poor taste to warrant an apology since it came from the CSM chairman. =/
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:21:00 -
[336] - Quote
Hench Tenet wrote:This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.
No we wouldn't. However if any of us told an audience of thousands to push you to kill yourself then we would. |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:21:00 -
[337] - Quote
The real question I have is, why did it take so long for people to be so angry about it? This happened on Thursday, why did it take until Monday before people actually started caring?
It's like people have some sort of alterior motive against GOONSWARM FEDERATION, for who knows what reason. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:21:00 -
[338] - Quote
Aryndel Vyst wrote:Is this really 16 pages of A BLOO BLOO about some rando high sec pubbie blogging about his miserable irl life in an evemail to a rando stranger?
If CCP wanted to feel accountable for their actions they should have pre-screened the alliance presentations. There were no guidelines on them. I can tell you all to go kill yourselves just like you can tell me to go **** myself. It's the game we play in the environment we play it in. If CCP has an issue with it, they should change the rules of the game. Harassment isn't allowed, but much like anything else harassment is subjective.
In closing,
DEAL
WITH
IT
|

Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
48
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:22:00 -
[339] - Quote
Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:watch all those goonscum pigs defending their idol
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Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:22:00 -
[340] - Quote
Nao Oikawasan wrote:I will agree to CCP applying consequences for this behavior, IF, CCP can provide us with a button in our client that will display the mental history of the player who is complaining of suicidal thoughts.
In addition to this, each player will have to agree to a revised EULA which will clearly state that if you threaten suicide in game, the GMs will call an ambulance, at your expense, to take you to the nearest ER for psychological observation.
Also, if you refuse treatment and fail to commit suicide, you will be permabanned for feigning mental illness.
How about, instead, we all just agree not to try to push others in to commiting suicide? The whole case presented here has nothing to do with whether or not the person is suicidal, its the fact that a player has been caught trying to encourage others to push that person to commiting suicide...
Seriously ,what is so hard to understand about that? |
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:22:00 -
[341] - Quote
Pubbie lied, Mittens died |

Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:22:00 -
[342] - Quote
If the CSM guy truly meant what he said it's clear he doesn't have any concept of a basic moral standard and he has ABSOLUTLY no place to represent anyone about anything. Maybe not even himself since you almost have to suffer from some mental or social disorder.
If it was meant as a continuation on a "funny" thing that happened to cross his path and he wanted to share the moment as a joke. Then arguably he has some really bad taste... really bad. That tied together with timing it on an event like that when in a position like that. It's clear the guy needs some education in PR. If this wasn't CSM he would have gotten his ass fired instantly, a lawsuit would have ensued. Complete and utter political suicide (no reference).
In short, this rare breed of moron made a bad booboo.
Then on the other hand. Proving somebody is mentally unstable through online messaging in games or in general is very difficult. On a basis alone, just not enough to make such a diagnose. In fact anything can push these people of the edge. A movie, song, a look, financial problems or just a badly pored cup of coffee in the morning. There is no way a layman like mittani could know if it was serious or not and expecting him to is unrealistic as well.
Should he be removed from CSM then?... Yes he should. He brought some very bad publicity towards CCP, EVE, CSM and its player base. CCP taking cover behind the EULA and TOS by making a few quotations is not enough in my opinion. Mittani needs to make a formal apology and resign. His integrity as a member of CSM is now at best questionable. He screwed up and now he's finished. Suicide isn't a laughing matter nor or the circumstances leading to one. If he doesn't want to resign CCP should do the right thing and boot his ass. Let it be known such behavior is not tolerated or supported.
And not sure if it's already being done. But CCP, make new CSM members do a PR training. It would help prevent such things from happening in the future.
When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |

Bane Necran
133
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:23:00 -
[343] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:hitting people with your car is against the law. Making fun of stupid people isn't.
It actually is very illegal to harass someone with the intent of them committing suicide. But you're still playing dumb, which is seemingly very easy for you.
Pedestrians are supposed to only use crosswalks, yet when they do not they are still protected. Similar to how people shouldn't say they're depressed or considering suicide to strangers, but are still protected from abuse from those strangers.
The fact that so many Goons are unaware of self restraint is kind of scary. Just because someone makes themselves vulnerable doesn't mean you have to attack, ya bunch of sociopaths. |

Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:23:00 -
[344] - Quote
Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:watch all those goonscum pigs defending their idol
Did you really just quote your own post you shitlord? |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:24:00 -
[345] - Quote
Keep posting. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:24:00 -
[346] - Quote
Stay calm. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:24:00 -
[347] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:Is this really 16 pages of A BLOO BLOO about some rando high sec pubbie blogging about his miserable irl life in an evemail to a rando stranger?
If CCP wanted to feel accountable for their actions they should have pre-screened the alliance presentations. There were no guidelines on them. I can tell you all to go kill yourselves just like you can tell me to go **** myself. It's the game we play in the environment we play it in. If CCP has an issue with it, they should change the rules of the game. Harassment isn't allowed, but much like anything else harassment is subjective.
In closing,
DEAL
WITH
IT
"Haha here is the guys name and how you spell it. You should all go make him try to kill himself."
Please, seriously, explain to me how the interpretation of that is "subjective." |

Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
48
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:24:00 -
[348] - Quote
Aryndel Vyst wrote:Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:watch all those goonscum pigs defending their idol Did you really just quote your own post you shitlord? yes i did you fugly american scunter
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2214
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:24:00 -
[349] - Quote
EI Digin wrote:The real question I have is, why did it take so long for people to be so angry about it? This happened on Thursday, why did it take until Monday before people actually started caring?
It's like people have some sort of alterior motive against GOONSWARM FEDERATION, for who knows what reason.
Because since the alliance panel Mittens won the CSM chair again and then we killed three titans.
People are mad jealous and figure this is the only way they can beat us.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:25:00 -
[350] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:Hench Tenet wrote:This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.
No we wouldn't. However if any of us told an audience of thousands to push you to kill yourself then we would.
So making somebody suicidal =/= making somebody suicidal? |
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Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
20
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:25:00 -
[351] - Quote
I'm going with assisted suicide. Kevorkian spent jail time but only after he was brash enough to push the button himself. That is not to say he wasn't tried over and over again. He blustered about his invulnerability also. Justice was finally served. The bad publicity lasted decade
It is definitely interesting to study the case law in different states or nations. The lower courts always find it appalling and convict pretty easily depending on locale. It seems to be a law that needs to be clarified before the arrests stop. It would seem be natural to mans and courts common law that someone help or not encourage someone to do this
Now if a region, over a course of time, develops laws allowing it, only then do the people accede their need to intervene and rescue. Some laws are well defined only allowing a doctor to do this, some allow counselors. Places like Iceland don't seem to have any laws and seem kind of backwards about tit. Perhaps it goes on, maybe its an old custom to dump depressives into the ocean during the long nites and they just don't talk about it. Then their are the laws of the depressed persons locale and can tele-kevorkian (c) methods be allowed or more likely, are they specifically tolerated
Jurisdiction will play a part. It would seem our Goonievorkian (c) needs asylum to protect himself from extradition to some backwater swamp or mountaintop somewhere in the world where his brashness and disregard for human life will not found to be so amusing
And then there is the issue of CCP's liablity. I'm reminded of a recent local case. It seems a prominent football coach had "looked the other way" It did not work out well once the press got a hold of it. People in the leadership positions were stripped of positions pride and standings in the community because they were leaders that ignored egregious behavior. The reverberations are still being felt with witch hunts. I had coffee yesterday with a woman that must now sue her state employer. After her boss and wife were busted for selling dope, she was let go because it was shown she was aware and because she never turned them in she was fired
If there are no laws specifically allowing flagrantly bad behaviors and such these consequences could happen in this instance also. CCP must look to the legal problems this presents to it but also to the marketing hurdles that could grow out of ignoring this behavior. Look after their own positions and Even Iceland's "BRAND" image
Think well CCP, Only a proactive move at this point can protect you. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2216
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:26:00 -
[352] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:ya bunch of sociopaths.
Where did you get your psychology degree?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Xeross155
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
103
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:26:00 -
[353] - Quote
Hench Tenet wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Hench Tenet wrote:This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.
No we wouldn't. However if any of us told an audience of thousands to push you to kill yourself then we would. So making somebody suicidal =/= making somebody suicidal? >Implying it would make an attention ***** suicidal |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:26:00 -
[354] - Quote
Muestereate wrote:I'm going with assisted suicide. Kevorkian spent jail time but only after he was brash enough to push the button himself. That is not to say he wasn't tried over and over again. He blustered about his invulnerability also. Justice was finally served. The bad publicity lasted decade
It is definitely interesting to study the case law in different states or nations. The lower courts always find it appalling and convict pretty easily depending on locale. It seems to be a law that needs to be clarified before the arrests stop. It would seem be natural to mans and courts common law that someone help or not encourage someone to do this
Now if a region, over a course of time, develops laws allowing it, only then do the people accede their need to intervene and rescue. Some laws are well defined only allowing a doctor to do this, some allow counselors. Places like Iceland don't seem to have any laws and seem kind of backwards about tit. Perhaps it goes on, maybe its an old custom to dump depressives into the ocean during the long nites and they just don't talk about it. Then their are the laws of the depressed persons locale and can tele-kevorkian (c) methods be allowed or more likely, are they specifically tolerated
Jurisdiction will play a part. It would seem our Goonievorkian (c) needs asylum to protect himself from extradition to some backwater swamp or mountaintop somewhere in the world where his brashness and disregard for human life will not found to be so amusing
And then there is the issue of CCP's liablity. I'm reminded of a recent local case. It seems a prominent football coach had "looked the other way" It did not work out well once the press got a hold of it. People in the leadership positions were stripped of positions pride and standings in the community because they were leaders that ignored egregious behavior. The reverberations are still being felt with witch hunts. I had coffee yesterday with a woman that must now sue her state employer. After her boss and wife were busted for selling dope, she was let go because it was shown she was aware and because she never turned them in she was fired
If there are no laws specifically allowing flagrantly bad behaviors and such these consequences could happen in this instance also. CCP must look to the legal problems this presents to it but also to the marketing hurdles that could grow out of ignoring this behavior. Look after their own positions and Even Iceland's "BRAND" image
Think well CCP, Only a proactive move at this point can protect you.
Where did you get your Law degree? |

ps3ud0nym
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
75
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:27:00 -
[355] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people.
Nope. But it IS illegal. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:27:00 -
[356] - Quote
It's me. I'm the sociopath. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
494
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:28:00 -
[357] - Quote
A nerd in Eve Online told me so. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:28:00 -
[358] - Quote
ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. Nope. But it IS illegal.
Under what law? |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:28:00 -
[359] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:Is this really 16 pages of A BLOO BLOO about some rando high sec pubbie blogging about his miserable irl life in an evemail to a rando stranger?
If CCP wanted to feel accountable for their actions they should have pre-screened the alliance presentations. There were no guidelines on them. I can tell you all to go kill yourselves just like you can tell me to go **** myself. It's the game we play in the environment we play it in. If CCP has an issue with it, they should change the rules of the game. Harassment isn't allowed, but much like anything else harassment is subjective.
In closing,
DEAL
WITH
IT
"Haha here is the guys name and how you spell it. You should all go make him try to kill himself." Please, seriously, explain to me how the interpretation of that is "subjective."
Already been done.
Amity Lane wrote:This seems to me to be more like a Charles Manson-esque situation. He's suggesting that people should break the game rules. He's not actually breaking any rules himself, and whether or not people choose to harass this guy is their decision. From a purely logical standpoint, The Mittani has broken no rules. |

Xeross155
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
103
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:28:00 -
[360] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. Nope. But it IS illegal. Under what law? US General Law probably |
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Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:28:00 -
[361] - Quote
EI Digin wrote:The real question I have is, why did it take so long for people to be so angry about it? This happened on Thursday, why did it take until Monday before people actually started caring?
It's like people have some sort of alterior motive against GOONSWARM FEDERATION, for who knows what reason.
There were posts made immediately afterwards, they just didn't gain any traction like this one has. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:29:00 -
[362] - Quote
Hench Tenet wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Hench Tenet wrote:This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.
No we wouldn't. However if any of us told an audience of thousands to push you to kill yourself then we would. So making somebody suicidal =/= making somebody suicidal?
I'm going to tell you what I told Harlot. The word you need to learn about is "context."
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Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
312
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:29:00 -
[363] - Quote
THE MATTANII SHOULD BE DRAWN AND QUARTERED LIKE THE EVE ONLINE TRAITOR HE IS HE DOESN'T REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OFF WITH HIS HEAD |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
534
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:31:00 -
[364] - Quote
A) The Wis should have been permabanned for threatening to kill himself like all others who uses suicide as a bargaining chip. B) The Mittani did not sign the EULA nor did he sign the TOS for Eve Online when he attended Fanfest. The two are mutually exclusive. C) The NPC Alt pubbies are obviously the most prevalent ones since they got an axe to grind. D) I'm responsible for scamming over 100 marks during the Ice Interdiction and 4 of those have threatened to kill themselves. I have no responsibility to those who threatened to kill themselves. I've had their whine posted on our goonfleet boards for all to see so I don't giveafuck if other members of GSF made fun of them over space pixels personally or outside the game. It's just simply not my problem E) The whole cyberbullying is moot. The laws that were passed here in the United States in only 7 states are only to protect those under the age of minority. So The Wis is not qualified to to be protected. Nor will any action taken place today be applied retroactively by any future bills because our constitution does not allow for that.
Keep crying more NPC alt pubbies. Maybe eventually when Lady Gaga's dead from all the crack she does, she'll notice the cyberbullying happening here on Eve Online. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:31:00 -
[365] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote: Why don't you quote the entire post?
Because it didn't make any sense. I was trying to avoid making you look bad.
Whatever, I know that any atempt of reasoning with you is futile, since you are just trying to damage control the mess your CEO just got into, I get it. What he did is utterly wrong no matter how you put it, and there is no possible argue to that. |

Frothgar
V0LTA 0ccupational Hazzard
23
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:31:00 -
[366] - Quote
Aldeskwatso wrote:If the CSM guy truly meant what he said it's clear he doesn't have any concept of a basic moral standard and he has ABSOLUTLY no place to represent anyone about anything. Maybe not even himself since you almost have to suffer from some mental or social disorder.
No, it just means the sandbox concept works. If we only allowed only paragons of Chribbaesque credibility to do anything of note in game, it would be a really boring game.
Its people being naughty that make the news, just like today. Its people being naughty that generate the buzz that brings people in.
The day we can't mock people who take this game WAY too seriously, is the day the game dies. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2216
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:32:00 -
[367] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote: Why don't you quote the entire post?
Because it didn't make any sense. I was trying to avoid making you look bad. Whatever, I know that any atempt of reasoning with you is futile, since you are just trying to damage control the mess your CEO just got into, I get it. What he did is utterly wrong no matter how you put it, and there is no possible argue to that.
We have suffered no damage so there is no need for damage control.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
534
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:32:00 -
[368] - Quote
Xeross155 wrote:Orkasm wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. Nope. But it IS illegal. Under what law? US General Law probably It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2216
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:33:00 -
[369] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:I'm going to tell you what I told Harlot. The word you need to learn about is "context."
It's interesting that you're completely fine with people taking The Mittani's comments out of context and using them against him.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
215
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:34:00 -
[370] - Quote
And it continues The Escapist new site Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
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Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
124
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:34:00 -
[371] - Quote
Frothgar wrote:Aldeskwatso wrote:If the CSM guy truly meant what he said it's clear he doesn't have any concept of a basic moral standard and he has ABSOLUTLY no place to represent anyone about anything. Maybe not even himself since you almost have to suffer from some mental or social disorder. No, it just means the sandbox concept works. If we only allowed only paragons of Chribbaesque credibility to do anything of note in game, it would be a really boring game. Its people being naughty that make the news, just like today. Its people being naughty that generate the buzz that brings people in. The day we can't mock people who take this game WAY too seriously, is the day the game dies.
You are absolutely right, except there are several moral boundaries that a reasonable and thinking man shouldn't cross.
Mittani the Great... unfortunately... he did. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:35:00 -
[372] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: We have suffered no damage so there is no need for damage control.
I can't understand you with your head plugged in Mittani's butt, please come again? |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
66
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:35:00 -
[373] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Bane Necran wrote:EnderCapitalG, as fun as blaming the victim is, you can't freely run over jaywalkers because they should be on the crosswalk.
Just because he gave you the opportunity doesn't mean you're justified to act on it. Well hitting people with your car is against the law. Making fun of stupid people isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying#United_States
It's coming. I find it unfortunate that laws like this end up having to be made. Too often they are poorly worded and we end up with nanny-state like crap. I blew up your ship, you claim harassment, and I have to prove my innocence in court for the next 20 years. I say that believing in a sky fairy that answers wishes is stupid, and end up in jail.
People keep crossing the line though and it is those people who cause this kind of destruction to occur. They target people who they know are weak in some way, believing they are immune from harm as they attack and attack and attack (and they're probably right). This cannot be allowed and our legislature knows this....and they'll do something incredibly stupid in response.
I'm willing to hope that the statement was just idiocy and there wasn't any actual intent that people continuously harass someone in the game with hopes to get them to quit or worse. Although I support griefing, there's a point where it crosses the line and that's it.
It may make you feel better about yourself to claim that either way it's better for humanity, that even if the guy is suicidal you're helping clean up the gene pool (as you in fact did)....this has no basis in truth and exposes an inherent ignorance about genetics. It's just plain false and stupid. It can serve no other purpose than self-justification for an inherently mean-spirited, childish, and borderline sociopathic attitude toward others. It doesn't prove that you're strong, intelligent, rational people willing to accept the hard truths. Quite the opposite in fact. It's cowardice, it's ignorant, and it's disgusting.
So when laws are created that make it illegal to joke about people online, you can thank yourself for that. I'm not going to. I'll be too busy walking on the egg-shells that you created. |

Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
59
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:35:00 -
[374] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wis - it's T-H-E space W-I-S , not with a Z - The Wis [incomprehensible]. Find him.
|

Prince Kobol
302
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:36:00 -
[375] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Frothgar wrote:Aldeskwatso wrote:If the CSM guy truly meant what he said it's clear he doesn't have any concept of a basic moral standard and he has ABSOLUTLY no place to represent anyone about anything. Maybe not even himself since you almost have to suffer from some mental or social disorder. No, it just means the sandbox concept works. If we only allowed only paragons of Chribbaesque credibility to do anything of note in game, it would be a really boring game. Its people being naughty that make the news, just like today. Its people being naughty that generate the buzz that brings people in. The day we can't mock people who take this game WAY too seriously, is the day the game dies. You are absolutely right, except there are several moral boundaries that a reasonable and thinking man shouldn't cross. Mittani the Great... unfortunately... he did.
Morale boundaries in a internet spaceship game famous for griefing, scamming, pirating and anything goes..
Yes that is a good argument  |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2216
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:36:00 -
[376] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: We have suffered no damage so there is no need for damage control.
I can't understand you with your head plugged in Mittani's butt, please come again?
Have you ever seen The Mittani's butt? Mmmm.....
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Marius Duvall
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:38:00 -
[377] - Quote
Pillowtalk wrote:Hench Tenet wrote:This thread has made me suicidal (who are you to say otherwise?). By your logic, if I happened to kill myself in the near future, you would be liable.
No we wouldn't. However if any of us told an audience of thousands to push you to kill yourself then we would.
Cite applicable law. |

Arec Bardwin
Perkone Caldari State
261
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:38:00 -
[378] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: CSMs are elected to exhibit the best of their behaviors,
Problem is; this is probably Mittanni's best behavior  |

Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
312
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:38:00 -
[379] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: We have suffered no damage so there is no need for damage control.
I can't understand you with your head plugged in Mittani's butt, please come again? Have you ever seen The Mittani's butt? Mmmm.....
Smells like peg |

OfBalance
Caldari State
242
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:39:00 -
[380] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wis - it's T-H-E space W-I-S , not with a Z - The Wis [incomprehensible]. Find him.
Good natured ribbing, ofc. |
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Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:39:00 -
[381] - Quote
Oh snap. Massively has picked it up.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/
This has got legs for sure. |

Rukia Taika
Allied Operations Jokers Wild.
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:40:00 -
[382] - Quote
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide. Why would he care about his reputation among NPC corp alts? Obvious for anyone with half a brain ( it is obvious now goons dont belong to this group ) that behind alt hides real person/player that is smart enough to hide his in game identity to protect it self again the most powerful and at the same time emotionally immature person in EVE.
Mittens only hides behind his alts all some 10k of them only to use them as sock puppets cause he cannot say much disparraging with his main toon. |

Marius Duvall
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:41:00 -
[383] - Quote
ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. Nope. But it IS illegal.
I'm mocking one now. Come at me, bro. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:41:00 -
[384] - Quote
Rukia Taika wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide. Why would he care about his reputation among NPC corp alts? Obvious for anyone with half a brain ( it is obvious now goons dont belong to this group ) that behind alt hides real person/player that is smart enough to hide his in game identity to protect it self again the most powerful and at the same time emotionally immature person in EVE. Mittens only hides behind his alts all some 10k of them only to use them as sock puppets cause he cannot say much disparraging with his main toon. I am The Mittani
~10,058~ |

OfBalance
Caldari State
242
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:41:00 -
[385] - Quote
An evil plot by the forces of elitepvp~ |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2217
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:43:00 -
[386] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wis - it's T-H-E space W-I-S , not with a Z - The Wis [incomprehensible]. Find him.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1347
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:44:00 -
[387] - Quote
I guess this will all come down to how much bad press CCP wants to deal with. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:44:00 -
[388] - Quote
Karadion wrote: It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.
felony = prison time
"It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person"
A great way to totally screw up your life.
Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:45:00 -
[389] - Quote
if The Wis is dead, good riddance. Oh god, the damn horror of me to say that. Why? Because I don't know the guy, I don't care about the guy, I could care less if he's dead. |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:47:00 -
[390] - Quote
oh daer 20 pages all ready? and not one scrap of proof he was suffering mentail issues. This is what makes eve-o great. |
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
537
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:47:00 -
[391] - Quote
Barakach wrote:Karadion wrote: It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.felony = prison time "It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person" A great way to totally screw up your life. Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished. The Wis made that choice of his own doing that he was going to kill himself or was thinking about it. The Mittani had nothing to do with that in the first place. I've had 4 people threatened to kill themselves. Are you saying I'm criminally liable for those idiots actions? |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:47:00 -
[392] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:I'm going to tell you what I told Harlot. The word you need to learn about is "context."
It's interesting that you're completely fine with people taking The Mittani's comments out of context and using them against him.
Seriously man, go watch the video. Or better yet, wait to see it on the news. |

Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
45
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:48:00 -
[393] - Quote
Barakach wrote:Karadion wrote: It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.felony = prison time "It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person" A great way to totally screw up your life. Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished.
Let's come back down to earth. Using the justice system punitively like this is the whole reason it's so screwed up in the first place. |

evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
58
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:48:00 -
[394] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Kara Roideater wrote: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wis - it's T-H-E space W-I-S , not with a Z - The Wis [incomprehensible]. Find him.
Look nows it all around the internet, Mittani has managed to single handedly shown what a moron this guy is and has no place in eve... or on this planet to be honest. All you goons that stand by him, are equally looking as bad.. Sometimes there is a time to actually step away, and this is it... |

Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:48:00 -
[395] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Barakach wrote:Karadion wrote: It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.felony = prison time "It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person" A great way to totally screw up your life. Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished. The Wis made that choice of his own doing that he was going to kill himself or was thinking about it. The Mittani had nothing to do with that in the first place. I've had 4 people threatened to kill themselves. Are you saying I'm criminally liable for those idiots actions?
If you continue to harass them, and encourage others to do so "till they follow through", then yes, you are. |

Josef Stylin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:48:00 -
[396] - Quote
I think Mittani should kill himself. |

Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:48:00 -
[397] - Quote
Danfen Fenix wrote:Nao Oikawasan wrote:I will agree to CCP applying consequences for this behavior, IF, CCP can provide us with a button in our client that will display the mental history of the player who is complaining of suicidal thoughts.
In addition to this, each player will have to agree to a revised EULA which will clearly state that if you threaten suicide in game, the GMs will call an ambulance, at your expense, to take you to the nearest ER for psychological observation.
Also, if you refuse treatment and fail to commit suicide, you will be permabanned for feigning mental illness.
How about, instead, we all just agree not to try to push others in to commiting suicide? The whole case presented here has nothing to do with whether or not the person is suicidal, its the fact that a player has been caught trying to encourage others to push that person to commiting suicide... Seriously ,what is so hard to understand about that? |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:49:00 -
[398] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Barakach wrote:Karadion wrote: It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.felony = prison time "It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person" A great way to totally screw up your life. Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished. The Wis made that choice of his own doing that he was going to kill himself or was thinking about it. The Mittani had nothing to do with that in the first place. I've had 4 people threatened to kill themselves. Are you saying I'm criminally liable for those idiots actions?
What part of this don't you guys get? If you tell thousands of people to go find him and push him to kill himself then yes, you should be criminally liable. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1354
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:49:00 -
[399] - Quote
If I actually cared about this crap, I'd have to read this whole stupid thread.
So I didn't.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
495
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:49:00 -
[400] - Quote
Gossamer DT wrote:oh daer 20 pages all ready? and not one scrap of proof he was suffering mentail issues. This is what makes eve-o great.
No no, you see, he said it in a one-off chat once to some guy.
That's 100% valid proof, trust me I'm an internet lawyer. |
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Zleon Leigh
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:51:00 -
[401] - Quote
Wondering if this is going to be post-edited PDQ.... Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:52:00 -
[402] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
Perhaps you should refrain from posting forever. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1255
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:52:00 -
[403] - Quote
Karadion wrote:A) The Wis should have been permabanned for threatening to kill himself like all others who uses suicide as a bargaining chip. B) The Mittani did not sign the EULA nor did he sign the TOS for Eve Online when he attended Fanfest. The two are mutually exclusive. C) The NPC Alt pubbies are obviously the most prevalent ones since they got an axe to grind. D) I'm responsible for scamming over 100 marks during the Ice Interdiction and 4 of those have threatened to kill themselves. I have no responsibility to those who threatened to kill themselves. I've had their whine posted on our goonfleet boards for all to see so I don't giveafuck if other members of GSF made fun of them over space pixels personally or outside the game. It's just simply not my problem E) The whole cyberbullying is moot. The laws that were passed here in the United States in only 7 states are only to protect those under the age of minority. So The Wis is not qualified to to be protected. Nor will any action taken place today be applied retroactively by any future bills because our constitution does not allow for that.
Keep crying more NPC alt pubbies. Maybe eventually when Lady Gaga's dead from all the crack she does, she'll notice the cyberbullying happening here on Eve Online.
This is pretty accurate, realistically speaking.
I don't believe that anyone present thought that the scam victim was serious in any way, certainly Mittani didn't. If it had come across as a serious intention the response from Mittani and everyone else present would have been significantly different.
In fact, it would have been handled exactly the same as the well publicized incident not long ago where the police were dispatched by CCP to an individuals home in Iceland to ensure that he was okay, rather than made public at a game convention.
There was little to make anyone believe that there was serious intent to do self bodily harm, although that will not stop those that have ulterior motives or are completely uninformed yet insist on voicing their opinion anyway.
Perhaps you should consider how ridiculous it would be if the next time you make a mistake and via chat or voice coms make the statement "Oh, just shoot me now." and the next thing that happens is that you have police at your door to take you in for a psychological evaluation... or that your fellow gamers might be subject to punitive actions, either in game or out, if they don't report the incident immediately.
Mittani's statement, while humorous, was in poor taste in many (but far from all) people's opinion. However, it was clear that all present treating the whole thing as a joke and were not seriously asking people to harrass someone whom they thought to actually be suicidal.
Worst case scenario, a request for the Mittani to apologize might be appropriate... but that's about as close to a mountain as this mole hill should get.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
139
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:52:00 -
[404] - Quote
Can we try to be civil here? Lets not fall lower than Mittani the Great. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2220
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:52:00 -
[405] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked. Perhaps you should refrain from posting forever.
Doubtful.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:53:00 -
[406] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Barakach wrote:Karadion wrote: It's not. Cyberbullying laws are only in 7 states for those under age of minority. There are no laws protecting manchilds.
Wiki: By the late 1980s, thirty of the fifty states had no laws against suicide or suicide attempts but every state had laws declaring it to be felony to aid, advise or encourage another person to commit suicide.felony = prison time "It is legal to discriminate against felons in hiring decisions as well as the decision to rent housing to a person" A great way to totally screw up your life. Anyway, all it takes is a jury. The law doesn't matter if a jury wants you punished. The Wis made that choice of his own doing that he was going to kill himself or was thinking about it. The Mittani had nothing to do with that in the first place. I've had 4 people threatened to kill themselves. Are you saying I'm criminally liable for those idiots actions?
I was not taking sides, I was only correcting someone thinking only "cyberbullying" applied.
I don't know enough to take sides and I really don't care to know. Context is huge to any argument, and I "wasn't there" to really understand. |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:54:00 -
[407] - Quote
I have to say, the level of alt posting is so impressive, why can't you people man up and post with your mains? afraid your words will lose cred? will they have 0 cred atm, but maybe if you posted with your mains instead you would at least get some respect. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2221
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:56:00 -
[408] - Quote
Barakach wrote:Context is huge to any argument, and I "wasn't there" to really understand.
Neither were any of the people making all these threads.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:56:00 -
[409] - Quote
Gossamer DT wrote:I have to say, the level of alt posting is so impressive, why can't you people man up and post with your mains? afraid your words will lose cred? will they have 0 cred atm, but maybe if you posted with your mains instead you would at least get some respect. We know the 5 or 6 of them are probably significant people and a bunch of whiners anyways who beat themselves to sleep. Especially they've got mental problems that they're afraid to reveal who themselves are.
They can prove me wrong. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
355
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:57:00 -
[410] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Barakach wrote:Context is huge to any argument, and I "wasn't there" to really understand. Neither were any of the people making all these threads.
No we just have the video evidence to play and replay
If you want him to go through with it
*rewind*
If you want him to go through with ut
*rewind*
If you want him to go through with it
*rewind*
*pause*
Perhaps thats enough hey
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2221
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:58:00 -
[411] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Barakach wrote:Context is huge to any argument, and I "wasn't there" to really understand. Neither were any of the people making all these threads. No we just have the video evidence to play and replay If you want him to go through with it *rewind* If you want him to go through with ut *rewind* If you want him to go through with it *rewind* *pause* Perhaps thats enough hey
Is that what you do before you upload a new katana video to youtube?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Purple Madness
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 17:59:00 -
[412] - Quote
There's an intangible line that cannot be crossed while remaining apart of a civilized society. And he crossed it. I like a good troll as much as the next person, but this isn't trolling. This is literally the behavior of a psychopath.
If CCP wants to allow someone that exhibits that behavior to represent them, that's on them. That the decision is not the 'civilized' playerbase's should not deter us from expressing our opinion on the matter. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:01:00 -
[413] - Quote
In defence of Lady Harlot, perhaps he/she believes that suicide just mean you respawn later on in life. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:01:00 -
[414] - Quote
The amount of Goons trying to defend their overlord is truly impressive. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:03:00 -
[415] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:The amount of pubbies hiding behind in cowardice is truly impressive.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Molden Heath Angels
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:04:00 -
[416] - Quote
if you want to kill yourself over video game just... do it
don't bring it into my game fags
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Delegado Cero
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
100
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:04:00 -
[417] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:The amount of Goons trying to defend their overlord is truly impressive.
He's your overlord now as well, 10,058! |

ps3ud0nym
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
75
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:04:00 -
[418] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. Nope. But it IS illegal. Under what law?
Harassment. Same law that prevents you from doing it in public or in the work place. Actually it is a bit worse on the internet cause I am pretty sure libel can come into play as well because it is considered published if it is on the internet.
You would need to talk to a lawyer to find out what applies. Generally, if you can't do it IRL, you can't do it online. That includes yelling insults and harassment at the mentally challenged. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:05:00 -
[419] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Pepinillos wrote:The amount of pubbies hiding behind in cowardice is truly impressive. I see what you did there |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
69
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:05:00 -
[420] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
I don't believe that anyone present thought that the scam victim was serious in any way, certainly Mittani didn't. If it had come across as a serious intention the response from Mittani and everyone else present would have been significantly different.
...
Worst case scenario, a request for the Mittani to apologize might be appropriate... but that's about as close to a mountain as this mole hill should get.
Yes, I'd be very content to see him explain that he didn't believe this person to really be suicidal and he didn't really intend to encourage people to grief someone to death or out of game. If he simply apologized for the statement, explained himself...etc...whatever...he'd have my support in this.
Based on responses from that end though, I suspect that not only will this not happen...but that you're completely wrong about his intentions. I mean, they're saying **** like that it'd be a good thing for humanity if the guy offed himself. |
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Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:05:00 -
[421] - Quote
I'm not a fan of banning people or kicking people off the CSM for saying things. So I am against it.
BUT CCP should take whatever action they think fit and not listen to these white knights on there high horses looking for their 15 seconds. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2230
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:06:00 -
[422] - Quote
Purple Madness wrote:This is literally the behavior of a psychopath.
And where did you get your psychology degree?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:06:00 -
[423] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Barakach wrote:Context is huge to any argument, and I "wasn't there" to really understand. Neither were any of the people making all these threads.
I saw it one of them moving pictures. Was just like being there. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2230
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:06:00 -
[424] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:In defence of Lady Harlot, perhaps he/she believes that suicide just mean you respawn later on in life.
Nope. I'm not a christian.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:06:00 -
[425] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:The amount of Goons trying to defend their overlord is truly impressive.
Hi ALT,
Who is your main, and what does he do? |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
495
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:07:00 -
[426] - Quote
Cripes. |

Pasen Haas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:08:00 -
[427] - Quote
I think this image speaks for my total disgust...
http://i39.tinypic.com/x3fm93.jpg
at anyone not laughing. |

Purple Madness
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:09:00 -
[428] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Purple Madness wrote:This is literally the behavior of a psychopath. And where did you get your psychology degree?
Stanford. Thanks for asking. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:09:00 -
[429] - Quote
Gossamer DT wrote:Pepinillos wrote:The amount of Goons trying to defend their overlord is truly impressive. Hi ALT, Who is your main, and what does he do?
What do you care? |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
540
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:10:00 -
[430] - Quote
ps3ud0nym wrote:Orkasm wrote:ps3ud0nym wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. Nope. But it IS illegal. Under what law? Harassment. Same law that prevents you from doing it in public or in the work place. Actually it is a bit worse on the internet cause I am pretty sure libel can come into play as well because it is considered published if it is on the internet. You would need to talk to a lawyer to find out what applies. Generally, if you can't do it IRL, you can't do it online. That includes yelling insults and harassment at the mentally challenged. Do you have The Wis' name handy by any chance? No? Do you even know what harassment is either? It's repetitive nature. Mittani said it once and that was it. The first time, Mittani did nothing of the sort to encourage him. Unless you say that smartbombing his 22 miners makes him responsible for The Wis saying he was going to kill himself. Plus Mittani posed no threat to The Wis whatsoever which is one of the issues of harassment. |
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
540
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:11:00 -
[431] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Pepinillos wrote:The amount of Goons trying to defend their overlord is truly impressive. Hi ALT, Who is your main, and what does he do? What do you care? Then you're not relevant, NPC Corp Alt. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2230
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:11:00 -
[432] - Quote
Purple Madness wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Purple Madness wrote:This is literally the behavior of a psychopath. And where did you get your psychology degree? Stanford. Thanks for asking.
You get one point for actually responding. Too bad you are lying.
Somebody with some actual knowledge of psychology wouldn't diagnose psychopathy over the internet. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
29
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:11:00 -
[433] - Quote
Most of the morally outraged on this thread do not realise their tears and butthurts are fuelling Mittens pod. I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
540
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:11:00 -
[434] - Quote
I am laughing. |

Livini Naship
Eve Ryuken Spacelane Consortium
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:11:00 -
[435] - Quote
the video just makes me feel embarrassed for these guys, 0/10 style points |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:12:00 -
[436] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Pepinillos wrote:The amount of Goons trying to defend their overlord is truly impressive. Hi ALT, Who is your main, and what does he do? What do you care?
Well I tell you what, I do care, and if I knew who your main was, I would care more about what you typed instead all I can see is that you're to much of a ***** to back up your *words* becasue you like hiding behind alts. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:13:00 -
[437] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Purple Madness wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Purple Madness wrote:This is literally the behavior of a psychopath. And where did you get your psychology degree? Stanford. Thanks for asking. You get one point for actually responding. Too bad you are lying. Somebody with some actual knowledge of psychology wouldn't diagnose psychopathy over the internet. I've seen those doctor-wannabes diagnose things with less. Never underestimate them.
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My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
27
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:14:00 -
[438] - Quote
Again, Anyone who makes a post asking to kick Mittani is just regurgitating rhetoric that they heard from another player or in another thread. they are asking for him to be kicked because they hear about how "bad, nasty and mean" Mittens is and take this as truth. They they, blindly and ignorantly, follow the pack so they fit in with everyone.
People who publicly claim to want to kill themselves are just crying for mommy and daddy to give them more hugs. Any one who is half way intelligent, and doesn't have their head in the clouds, knows this. Its why they tell people to "LOOK FOR SIGNS" of suicidal behavior because genuine suicidal people don't make their intentions public. Mittens just harped on this fact and apparently all the softies got mad.
ALL YOU HATAZ KILL YO'SELF <- Triple-6
/im going to post this in all the mittens threads for lulz ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |

Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
29
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:14:00 -
[439] - Quote
I spat my coffee because I was lulzzing hard.
I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |

Spectre80
The Knights Templar GIANTSBANE.
56
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:14:00 -
[440] - Quote
fully agree with op. |
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Purple Madness
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:15:00 -
[441] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:You get one point for actually responding. Too bad you are lying.
Somebody with some actual knowledge of psychology wouldn't diagnose psychopathy over the internet.
lol. Like I said, I like a good troll as much as the next person. Your argument is flawed, however, as I'm not making a diagnosis. I'm merely pointing out that this is psychopathic behavior, which it is. Enjoy the rest of the thread. (And no, it wasn't a lie). |

quevie
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:15:00 -
[442] - Quote
Galadriel Vasquez wrote:I spat my coffee because I was lulzzing hard.
ditto End of line. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
158
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:16:00 -
[443] - Quote
My Neutral Toon wrote:Again, Anyone who makes a post asking to kick Mittani is just regurgitating rhetoric that they heard from another player or in another thread. they are asking for him to be kicked because they hear about how "bad, nasty and mean" Mittens is and take this as truth. They they, blindly and ignorantly, follow the pack so they fit in with everyone.
People who publicly claim to want to kill themselves are just crying for mommy and daddy to give them more hugs. Any one who is half way intelligent, and doesn't have their head in the clouds, knows this. Its why they tell people to "LOOK FOR SIGNS" of suicidal behavior because genuine suicidal people don't make their intentions public. Mittens just harped on this fact and apparently all the softies got mad.
ALL YOU HATAZ KILL YO'SELF <- Triple-6
/im going to post this in all the mittens threads for lulz
Once again, nope. I had tremendous respect for him and I deemed him to be the best candidate to lead CSM until this "scandal" happened.
What he did was completely unacceptable and bring our EVE Online to shame. |

Lord Pestilence
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:17:00 -
[444] - Quote
I personally posted on alt because i knew there would be attempts at swaying the discussion off topic towards who said it...not what was said.
Mittani should be held liable to his words. That he still finds this funny and only states: "deal with it!" as a reponse, just shows his true character more clearly.
I encourage everyone to petition this to CCP if you feel Mittani crossed the line in this matter. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1029
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:17:00 -
[445] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Purple Madness wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Purple Madness wrote:This is literally the behavior of a psychopath. And where did you get your psychology degree? Stanford. Thanks for asking. You get one point for actually responding. Too bad you are lying. Somebody with some actual knowledge of psychology wouldn't diagnose psychopathy over the internet. Link your credentials to back that up.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:18:00 -
[446] - Quote
My Neutral Toon wrote:Again, Anyone who makes a post asking to kick Mittani is just regurgitating rhetoric that they heard from another player or in another thread. they are asking for him to be kicked because they hear about how "bad, nasty and mean" Mittens is and take this as truth. They they, blindly and ignorantly, follow the pack so they fit in with everyone.
People who publicly claim to want to kill themselves are just crying for mommy and daddy to give them more hugs. Any one who is half way intelligent, and doesn't have their head in the clouds, knows this. Its why they tell people to "LOOK FOR SIGNS" of suicidal behavior because genuine suicidal people don't make their intentions public. Mittens just harped on this fact and apparently all the softies got mad.
ALL YOU HATAZ KILL YO'SELF <- Triple-6
/im going to post this in all the mittens threads for lulz
You cannot possibly be stupid enough to believe any of the nonsense you posted.
Pity, as that would then make you the biggest cretin playing EVE |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2236
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:19:00 -
[447] - Quote
Purple Madness wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:You get one point for actually responding. Too bad you are lying.
Somebody with some actual knowledge of psychology wouldn't diagnose psychopathy over the internet. lol. Like I said, I like a good troll as much as the next person. Your argument is flawed, however, as I'm not making a diagnosis. I'm merely pointing out that this is psychopathic behavior, which it is. Enjoy the rest of the thread. (And no, it wasn't a lie).
Taking psych 101 isn't the same as having a degree.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:19:00 -
[448] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:My Neutral Toon wrote:Again, Anyone who makes a post asking to kick Mittani is just regurgitating rhetoric that they heard from another player or in another thread. they are asking for him to be kicked because they hear about how "bad, nasty and mean" Mittens is and take this as truth. They they, blindly and ignorantly, follow the pack so they fit in with everyone.
People who publicly claim to want to kill themselves are just crying for mommy and daddy to give them more hugs. Any one who is half way intelligent, and doesn't have their head in the clouds, knows this. Its why they tell people to "LOOK FOR SIGNS" of suicidal behavior because genuine suicidal people don't make their intentions public. Mittens just harped on this fact and apparently all the softies got mad.
ALL YOU HATAZ KILL YO'SELF <- Triple-6
/im going to post this in all the mittens threads for lulz Once again, nope. I had tremendous respect for him and I deemed him to be the best candidate to lead CSM until this "scandal" happened. What he did was completely unacceptable and bring our EVE Online to shame.
OH NOES NOT OUR EVE ONLINE! WHAT EVER WILL WE DO?
I know repost awesome pics >> http://i39.tinypic.com/x3fm93.jpg <<
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Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:19:00 -
[449] - Quote
Lord Pestilence wrote:I personally posted on alt because i knew there would be attempts at swaying the discussion off topic towards who said it...not what was said.
Mittani should be held liable to his words. That he still finds this funny and only states: "deal with it!" as a reponse, just shows his true character more clearly.
I encourage everyone to petition this to CCP if you feel Mittani crossed the line in this matter.
At this point, it is most likely that CCP will ask Mittani the Great to resign.
Also, they will probably allow him to keep his accounts if he writes a long tearful letter explaining to the community about his lapse in judgment. |

Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
31
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:19:00 -
[450] - Quote
This is my main! There are many like it but this one is mine.....
If u post from alt you dilute your credibility and also it displays cowardliness and lack of the conviction of your views. I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2236
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:19:00 -
[451] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Purple Madness wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Purple Madness wrote:This is literally the behavior of a psychopath. And where did you get your psychology degree? Stanford. Thanks for asking. You get one point for actually responding. Too bad you are lying. Somebody with some actual knowledge of psychology wouldn't diagnose psychopathy over the internet. Link your credentials to back that up. Mr Epeen 
I'm not the person pretending to be a psychologist.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2236
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:20:00 -
[452] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Lord Pestilence wrote:I personally posted on alt because i knew there would be attempts at swaying the discussion off topic towards who said it...not what was said.
Mittani should be held liable to his words. That he still finds this funny and only states: "deal with it!" as a reponse, just shows his true character more clearly.
I encourage everyone to petition this to CCP if you feel Mittani crossed the line in this matter. At this point, it is most likely that CCP will ask Mittani the Great to resign. Also, they will probably allow him to keep his accounts if he writes a long tearful letter explaining to the community about his lapse in judgment.
lol I like you
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:21:00 -
[453] - Quote
Lord Pestilence wrote:I personally posted on alt because i knew there would be attempts at swaying the discussion off topic towards who said it...not what was said.
Mittani should be held liable to his words. That he still finds this funny and only states: "deal with it!" as a reponse, just shows his true character more clearly.
I encourage everyone to petition this to CCP if you feel Mittani crossed the line in this matter.
I support this action, but only if you petition with an alt, becase we all know CCP won't take it serious if you petition with your main. |

Valkyria Caeli
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:23:00 -
[454] - Quote
EL TITAN wrote:In eve griefing is fun. I attended Fanfest and this particular event. (i also won a playstation but thats another story!)
His speech was funny, of this i have no doubt as people were laughing throughout!
Funny it maybe - attempting to gather support for a mass act of bullying is pretty ****** (expecially when it can lead to death)
However, i dont think that this was really the point. the point was proberly to get people wound up and effectively be trolled!
My opinion is that this is a successfull troll and nothing more, but hey.
smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast.
Titan
People also laugh when they see something that they don't know how to react to. In live theater, when someone is depicted as getting raped on stage, most of the audience will laugh and not even realize it. Actors are trained to expect this response because it is so unexpected, You just don't see it coming until the first time the scene is publicly performed. People laugh when they are not sure what to do. |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:24:00 -
[455] - Quote
I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things. |

Valk Enaka
The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:24:00 -
[456] - Quote
With so many threads screaming to ban The Mittani for what he said, I figure it is more than right to offer my own thoughts on what happened.
I do not think what was said was tasteful, but in fairness, this is just the way the Mittani is. CCP knows this, or should know this after working with him for so long. I forget the guys name (the new CCP guy at the keynote speech at the end) but he even mentioned that the players are the ones who are doing the advertising for EVE. This is a perfect example of that advertisement. GSF and Mittani are rather well known for a variety of scamming and other things that make EVE what it is.
"We are undertaking a full internal review of this panel as well as the process used for vetting the panel's materials. Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others." http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116503-Eve-Online-Panel-Encourages-Harassing-Suicidal-Player
^this. As you said, this was an unfiltered panel, and many of the presentations during Fanfest were not family friendly anyway. Does this mean you are going to do away with the other events as well?
Additionally, the player who sent the mail...it takes all of two seconds to realize how full C&P is of whining and people seeking attention. There are many people who are willing to whine and talk about their own troubles in EVE...cough Did you do anything about that? No, because it is ridiculous to even think about it. I do think it is classy that you guys are willing to look after him and make sure he isn't getting harrased (see previous news link), but even considering punishment of Mittani would be ridiculous. Especially all these people whining about kicking him from his rightfully earned spot as CSM Chairman. As Ladie Harlot put it in another thread, "So we should ask for a psych evaluation of every pilot before we blow up their ship?" EVE is a game, and anyone who can't take it, shouldn't be playing it. The game has its ups and downs, but that is what EVE is.
The Mittani was voted in by a huge majority, and to consider kicking him from it just goes to show how little you care about the playerbase. CCP, this is where you need to show the same restraint you showed previously when other unpopular things have happened. At Fanfest you made many comments about listening to the players, and why look further than your own CSM results. As pointed out in many other threads, Mittens has received over 10,000 votes in this last election. Listen to the playerbase CCP. |

Pasen Haas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:24:00 -
[457] - Quote
quevie wrote:Galadriel Vasquez wrote:I spat my coffee because I was lulzzing hard. ditto
I think we're all agreed then... this is what we need to do to fix this situation;
http://i42.tinypic.com/346s5g7.png
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2236
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:24:00 -
[458] - Quote
Valkyria Caeli wrote:EL TITAN wrote:In eve griefing is fun. I attended Fanfest and this particular event. (i also won a playstation but thats another story!)
His speech was funny, of this i have no doubt as people were laughing throughout!
Funny it maybe - attempting to gather support for a mass act of bullying is pretty ****** (expecially when it can lead to death)
However, i dont think that this was really the point. the point was proberly to get people wound up and effectively be trolled!
My opinion is that this is a successfull troll and nothing more, but hey.
smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast.
Titan People also laugh when they see something that they don't know how to react to. In live theater, when someone is depicted as getting raped on stage, most of the audience will laugh and not even realize it. Actors are trained to expect this response because it is so unexpected, You just don't see it coming until the first time the scene is publicly performed. People laugh when they are not sure what to do.
People also laugh when something is funny.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:24:00 -
[459] - Quote
And now it's all being focused here, the other threads are being locked. POST ON! |

Ntrails
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
56
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:24:00 -
[460] - Quote
I, for one, am sickened and disgusted by this behaviour.
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Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:25:00 -
[461] - Quote
Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so... |

OfBalance
Caldari State
243
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:26:00 -
[462] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so...
What a startling insight! |

Selinate
704
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:26:00 -
[463] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so...
Because threads like this always make the worst kind of people crawl out from their holes... Just turns out that most goons are those kind of people... |

Signal11th
441
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:26:00 -
[464] - Quote
Here's a tip for you 5:
In order for a fire to burn you need oxygen, stop giving the fire oxygen it goes away. All the people who constantly fill the forums with Mittani this Mittani that, Goons this Goons that, really just need to read Frankenstein's Monster, then you will get it.
Props to D3 for getting in!! I know this will annoy some people more than any forum post will God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |

Tim Sebo
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:26:00 -
[465] - Quote
Coming from an internet subculture which has included convicted murderers, how is this surprising to anyone? Looks like Goon behavior as usual.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something_awful |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:27:00 -
[466] - Quote
OfBalance wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so... What a startling insight!
I know right!? |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:27:00 -
[467] - Quote
I expect to see an apology from the mittani very soon. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2240
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:27:00 -
[468] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so...
Members of a forum-based community enjoy posting? This is a shocking turn of events!
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
172
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:27:00 -
[469] - Quote
I just want to thank all of you for taking part in helping to make sure the said victim finds out his most embarrassing moment in eve has gone viral and spread to the masses.
You guys are pretty sick I love this community |

OfBalance
Caldari State
243
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:28:00 -
[470] - Quote
Dbars Grinding wrote:I expect to see an apology from the mittani very soon.
The Mittani wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:See the thread Fanfest Alliance Panel Disgusting.
See in particular post #68, in which someone's in game eve mail is posted to the forums.
If this is what these people actually did and said at the panel, this is so totally disgusting and sadistic that it can't be accepted.
I don't care about what happens in the game, since I can't do anything about it.
Holding someone up to PUBLIC ridicule in real life and following it up by encouraging people to continue this behavior on the forums, by posting the guy's eve mail to the forums, is not acceptable behavior by a human being.
You should read the thread if you want background. The quick version is that this person was apparently very rich in the tears that these plays love so much. He is referred to as depressed and suicidal. If the thread is accurate, our CSM chair encouraged people to get in touch with this guy and harass him further and gave out his name at the panel. Someone followed this up by posting one of the guy's eve mails to the forums.
These are major eve players actually encouraging people to cause a play psychological harm, and in a PUBLIC context outside the game. This cannot be accepted. deal with it~
The apology has been given! |
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Alara IonStorm
1828
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:29:00 -
[471] - Quote
Valk Enaka wrote: The Mittani was voted in by a huge majority, and to consider kicking him from it just goes to show how little you care about the playerbase. CCP, this is where you need to show the same restraint you showed previously when other unpopular things have happened. At Fanfest you made many comments about listening to the players, and why look further than your own CSM results. As pointed out in many other threads, Mittens has received over 10,000 votes in this last election. Listen to the playerbase CCP.
What makes you think that the 10000 votes mean anything right now. No one voted before this happened.
-1 BTW, as much as I liked his platform. Saying find him about a player even suspected of being suicidal is just going to far in my book.
I don't care enough as current to make a huge issue over this, but I would not complain if the investigation kicks him off ether. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
499
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:29:00 -
[472] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so...
And most of the players attacking him are NPC Corp Alts.
Hmmmmmmmm. |

Pasen Haas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:29:00 -
[473] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so...
I am Wildly Inappropriate (ran out of plex's) ... and lets face it, if this was a red, I'd still be Loling and supporting them.
WI.DOT FOR MORE OFFENSIVE EVE GAMING! and maybe increased suicide rates given that our planet wont be able to support us all in the future... Noobs first, is all i'm saying. |

thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
84
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:30:00 -
[474] - Quote
There are a lot of different points that need addressing in this scenario- the most interesting aspect is the law and the law concerning the internet and online gaming is getting more and more attention from the media and the courts- and ccp will be taking this into consideration while investigating the incident.
The MitanniGÇÖs encouragement of the persecution of another player in eve may be against CCP's Eula. EU law states that it is not illegal -"Posting a general opinion on a discussion board or in a forum is not considered cyber harassment" however it does linger on another law of 'Harassment through the Digital Medium'
Alexander Gianturco aka the mittani encouragement or 'cyber bullying' of another player until said player kills himself- as he said in Iceland on Friday is an interesting scenario- as it could possibly tie in to the interesting law of "Encouraging or assisting a suicide as a criminal offence"
In most states in Europe this is criminal law (apart from Switzerland- but IGÇÖm still unsure of Iceland). So technically if this was law in Iceland Alexander Gianturco could be charged.
^^this probably bores most players to tears- but i can understand why CCP are investigating it as they have facilitated Alexander Gianturco in voicing this. It interests me because this is has some relation to what I do.
Should the Mittani still be CSM Chair? Well, thatGÇÖs up to CCP, I personally voted for him as he sounded like a smart guy and I agreed with a lot of what he said about the game- but i personally think he has overstepped certain boundaries in this case.
Does CCP want the head of their gaming council a guy who encourages the harassment of other player until their real life death? Sounds very grim to me- but it wouldnGÇÖt' surprise me.
TLDR: Mittani did a bad thing IRL and would reflect badly on CCP I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal.. |

GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:30:00 -
[475] - Quote
Posting in the feel-good thread of the year. I hope the space honoureless members of goonswarm who participated in this dishonoureable action are punished! |

Ntrails
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:30:00 -
[476] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so...
Hi, I am Ntrails. You may recognise me from previous excellent posts like "The Mittani is a smug ****", and "that's not my titan, that's my *****".
I would like to say that on behalf of my corporation, and many other member corporations in Goonswarm federations alliance, we are enacting procedures designed to strip this flagrant psychopath of his powers in this Alliance. Not because of this go harass a dude outcry, but because of the pegging comments. I really cannot believe that they are being ignored over this obviously trivial matter.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2240
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:30:00 -
[477] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Valk Enaka wrote: The Mittani was voted in by a huge majority, and to consider kicking him from it just goes to show how little you care about the playerbase. CCP, this is where you need to show the same restraint you showed previously when other unpopular things have happened. At Fanfest you made many comments about listening to the players, and why look further than your own CSM results. As pointed out in many other threads, Mittens has received over 10,000 votes in this last election. Listen to the playerbase CCP.
What makes you think that the 10000 votes mean anything right now. No one voted before this happened. -1 BTW, as much as I liked his platform. Saying find him about a player even suspected of being suicidal is just going to far in my book. I don't care enough as current to make a huge issue over this, but I would not complain if the investigation kicks him off ether.
So next year he might only get 10,057 votes
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:32:00 -
[478] - Quote
That mittani seems like a pretty cool guy for a guy that plays mmo's...
Glad I voted for him |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
71
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:32:00 -
[479] - Quote
My Neutral Toon wrote: Its why they tell people to "LOOK FOR SIGNS" of suicidal behavior because genuine suicidal people don't make their intentions public. Mittens just harped on this fact and apparently all the softies got mad.
Well, as I mentioned elsewhere I know of at least one account of a person who did in fact commit suicide stating his intent before hand.
Another thing that's probably worth consideration here is the anonymity of the Internet. The ongoing phenomenon of people saying and doing things they might otherwise not do, due to social pressures, could also have an effect here and I don't think we can just assume that because people don't usually warn about their suicide before hand in person...that they won't on the Internet to complete strangers.
Another thing I'd like to stress is that the factual nature of his suicidal tendencies are rather beside the point to me on the issue. The kind of griefing that The Mitanni was encouraging is not a legitimate game tactic, but cyber-stalking/bullying plain and simple. |

Tim Sebo
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:32:00 -
[480] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Valk Enaka wrote: The Mittani was voted in by a huge majority, and to consider kicking him from it just goes to show how little you care about the playerbase. CCP, this is where you need to show the same restraint you showed previously when other unpopular things have happened. At Fanfest you made many comments about listening to the players, and why look further than your own CSM results. As pointed out in many other threads, Mittens has received over 10,000 votes in this last election. Listen to the playerbase CCP.
What makes you think that the 10000 votes mean anything right now. No one voted before this happened. -1 BTW, as much as I liked his platform. Saying find him about a player even suspected of being suicidal is just going to far in my book. I don't care enough as current to make a huge issue over this, but I would not complain if the investigation kicks him off ether. So next year he might only get 10,057 votes
If there even is a next year for him. This may be the end of his Eve political career |
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Butzewutze
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:33:00 -
[481] - Quote
+1
Mittani himself proved that he does not suit into a responsable position. Remove him from the CSM. |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:33:00 -
[482] - Quote
Valkyria Caeli wrote:EL TITAN wrote:In eve griefing is fun. I attended Fanfest and this particular event. (i also won a playstation but thats another story!)
His speech was funny, of this i have no doubt as people were laughing throughout!
Funny it maybe - attempting to gather support for a mass act of bullying is pretty ****** (expecially when it can lead to death)
However, i dont think that this was really the point. the point was proberly to get people wound up and effectively be trolled!
My opinion is that this is a successfull troll and nothing more, but hey.
smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast.
Titan People also laugh when they see something that they don't know how to react to. In live theater, when someone is depicted as getting raped on stage, most of the audience will laugh and not even realize it. Actors are trained to expect this response because it is so unexpected, You just don't see it coming until the first time the scene is publicly performed. People laugh when they are not sure what to do.
I disagree with you here, I my self (warning RLE being apply) have been to events with the shock value of ****, and the only time I have seen laughter at the sight of **** was when the stage was preset and the out come was in fact very funny, not some random act.
I would also like to know who your main is, and what does he do. |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:33:00 -
[483] - Quote
I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things.
This all is not because he said that, its because he is elected and he is, because of it, responsible for his actions and words. |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:34:00 -
[484] - Quote
Quote: I don't believe that anyone present thought that the scam victim was serious in any way, certainly Mittani didn't. If it had come across as a serious intention the response from Mittani and everyone else present would have been significantly different.
So, how many people do you know who have deliberately pushed suicidal people as hard as they can... and then the suicidal person killed himself/herself?
I can think of two in my own personal experience.
I would be AMAZED if you didn't know at least one. |

Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
172
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:35:00 -
[485] - Quote
I just cant believe the Mittani never replied to him and left him hanging like that. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2240
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:35:00 -
[486] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things.
Yes the CSM elections are just like real life for the following reasons
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:35:00 -
[487] - Quote
Jita Protest - Monument Shooting...In Progress... Come Along and Show Support |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
162
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:36:00 -
[488] - Quote
It is quite pleasing to know that there are fellow GOONS who are equally disgusted by Mittani the Great's misconduct.
Goons, we all know that Mittani was a great leader, but that's past now.
Find a new leadership who can better suit the community.
Goons will prevail under better leadership. |

Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:36:00 -
[489] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so... And most of the players attacking him are NPC Corp Alts. Hmmmmmmmm.
Yeah, well, what do you expect when the person under discussion makes public calls for players he dislikes to be harassed? That his critics will hand over names and telephone numbers? Because he can be trusted not to take things too far? Hmmmmmmmmmm. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
244
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:36:00 -
[490] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote: I don't believe that anyone present thought that the scam victim was serious in any way, certainly Mittani didn't. If it had come across as a serious intention the response from Mittani and everyone else present would have been significantly different.
So, how many people do you know who have deliberately pushed suicidal people as hard as they can... and then the suicidal person killed himself/herself? I can think of two in my own personal experience. I would be AMAZED if you didn't know at least one.
lmao |
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Araviel
Spiritus Draconis
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:37:00 -
[491] - Quote
goons whining about alt posts, so lets get some more mains in here shall we?.
I think mittens should resign. it is not ok to be a CSM chairman and behave like that,
Arav /
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:37:00 -
[492] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:So, how many people do you know who have deliberately pushed suicidal people as hard as they can... and then the suicidal person killed himself/herself?.
The person in question wasn't really suicidal. He was attempting to garner sympathy after getting scammed and then blown up.
If the "mad about Mittani" crowd gets their way any time something happens in-game that you don't like you can just cry about being suicidal and get rewarded.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:37:00 -
[493] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:It is quite pleasing to know that there are fellow GOONS who are equally disgusted by Mittani the Great's misconduct.
Goons, we all know that Mittani was a great leader, but that's past now.
Find a new leadership who can better suit the community.
Goons will prevail under better leadership.
No. Get Out. |

evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:37:00 -
[494] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:It is quite pleasing to know that there are fellow GOONS who are equally disgusted by Mittani the Great's misconduct.
Goons, we all know that Mittani was a great leader, but that's past now.
Find a new leadership who can better suit the community.
Goons will prevail under better leadership.
This is true, Mittani is interested in himself, not you |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:39:00 -
[495] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
Refuse to have a discussion with someone you can't threaten?
How cowardly a cur are you! |

The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:39:00 -
[496] - Quote
Vital Ladie Harlot stats:
Member of Goonswarm since Feb, 2011. Number of kills: 0 Number of forum posts: fast approaching 2100. |

Yumi Sagara
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:39:00 -
[497] - Quote
Wow, if this is true then Mittani is one seriously messed up individual. Far beyond whatever he role plays as in the game. This isn't douchebaggery, this is flat out insanity. No normal person would ever consider doing something like that.
This dude has some serious issues... I wonder what he would do with himself if he didn't have EVE to keep him stable and give him an outlet? Kill the neighborhood cats, I guess.
Crap, you know what? Let him have CSM. Maybe that's the secret the goons all have that makes them support him unanimously. They know he's a ticking timebomb that might go on a shooting spree at his workplace one day if he doesn't have some outlet for craziness. >_> Having him muck up some video game is a small price to pay to keep that from happening.
Edit: Another media coverage post! http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/ |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
501
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:39:00 -
[498] - Quote
Just so everyone knows, I'm not condoning what Mittani said but what I'm saying is that you can't prove the guy is suicidal at all.
What I'm REALLY trying to say is: Lol this thread |

Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
199
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:39:00 -
[499] - Quote
If I was CCP, I wouldn't want the game associated with this sort of behavior/conduct. |

StevieTopSiders
Evolution
15
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:40:00 -
[500] - Quote
I for one, abhor this behavior. Please harass me in-game. Name is StevieTopSiders.
kthx |
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Ravan Hekki
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
12
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:40:00 -
[501] - Quote
You know it was out of order and he should say sorry and whatever CCP feels is appropriate. Personaly I i think hes disgusting. But thats my opinion.
Howver, people might want to try and keep their opinions chilled on the grounds that at the very least the gaming press will be trawling through thease forums to get more copy. Thats not incuding real press, god knows what they will do with this if they get hold of this, we do alremember that the mainstream press love gaming as do american senators looking for ammo right?
Of course then there is Sony, thoses guys who love to see negative press for a games company they are about to give bandwidth to with their AAA shooter.
CCP have just gone through a rough patch, finacialy. I dont know if this will blow up any further, however bearing that in mind it might be worth keeping the opinions polite and not shouty casuse I sure as **** dont want to wake up to find EVE in the daily mail and have to defend it to people when someone who is apparently my mouth peice (I voted for Two step) is spouting this in a public arena.
Do you want to have your words repeated in the press? If not think about what you say or post. |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:40:00 -
[502] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:It is quite pleasing to know that there are fellow GOONS who are equally disgusted by Mittani the Great's misconduct.
Goons, we all know that Mittani was a great leader, but that's past now.
Find a new leadership who can better suit the community.
Goons will prevail under better leadership.
hahahahaha, you ARE being sarcastic aren't you? silly pubbie |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
501
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:40:00 -
[503] - Quote
Yumi Sagara wrote:Wow, if this is true then Mittani is one seriously messed up individual. Far beyond whatever he role plays as in the game. This isn't douchebaggery, this is flat out insanity. No normal person would ever consider doing something like that.
This dude has some serious issues... I wonder what he would do with himself if he didn't have EVE to keep him stable and give him an outlet? Kill the neighborhood cats, I guess.
Crap, you know what? Let him have CSM. Maybe that's the secret the goons all have that makes them support him unanimously. They know he's a ticking timebomb that might go on a shooting spree at his workplace one day if he doesn't have some outlet for craziness. >_> Having him muck up some video game is a small price to pay to keep that from happening.
Please prove that he has serious issues and wasn't just lying, thanks. |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:41:00 -
[504] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:It is quite pleasing to know that there are fellow GOONS who are equally disgusted by Mittani the Great's misconduct.
Goons, we all know that Mittani was a great leader, but that's past now.
Find a new leadership who can better suit the community.
Goons will prevail under better leadership.
hahahahaha, you ARE being sarcastic aren't you? silly pubbie |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
543
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:41:00 -
[505] - Quote
The way I see it, and I would react the same way as The Mittani did because this "guy" sounds so damn melodramatic that you would think it was from some annoying self-resenting anime character that just can't be taken seriously.
In addition to that, and while some of you happily argue that Mittani should resign because of "cyber-bullying" somebody in the game, I think it is ultimately a moot point because people cry big crocodile tears all the time for having their stuff blown up or being scammed in Eve and has done so since May 2003.
I should also point out that as far as my personal opinion of people who are diagnosed as bi-polar with or without a severe depression -- stay the f u c k a w a y from the internet and get professional help. To hide from personal issues whether it is online or not is not going to help you, not now, not ever. Whining about how sad you are on the internet doesn't earn you my sympathy. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:41:00 -
[506] - Quote
OfBalance wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote: I don't believe that anyone present thought that the scam victim was serious in any way, certainly Mittani didn't. If it had come across as a serious intention the response from Mittani and everyone else present would have been significantly different.
So, how many people do you know who have deliberately pushed suicidal people as hard as they can... and then the suicidal person killed himself/herself? I can think of two in my own personal experience. I would be AMAZED if you didn't know at least one. lmao
So, liar or a fool?
Which is it?
It's hardly uncommon behavior for a certain type of personality to push actually suicidal people as hard as they can.
So really, you are actually claiming to have not seen this sort of behavior? |

Krutex
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:42:00 -
[507] - Quote
Yumi Sagara wrote:Wow, if this is true then Mittani is one seriously messed up individual. Far beyond whatever he role plays as in the game. This isn't douchebaggery, this is flat out insanity. No normal person would ever consider doing something like that.
This dude has some serious issues... I wonder what he would do with himself if he didn't have EVE to keep him stable and give him an outlet? Kill the neighborhood cats, I guess.
Crap, you know what? Let him have CSM. Maybe that's the secret the goons all have that makes them support him unanimously. They know he's a ticking timebomb that might go on a shooting spree at his workplace one day if he doesn't have some outlet for craziness. >_> Having him muck up some video game is a small price to pay to keep that from happening.
Where'd you get your psych degree, I bet it was a top school....... |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
471
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:42:00 -
[508] - Quote
I'll throw in my 2 isk 'cuz why not? Looks like a threadnought brewing so....
1) Every time somebody mentions mittens on the forums, his ego grows. Is that what you want?
2) I'm sure the saying about "no such thing as bad press" has occurred to mittens. I'm sure he is enjoying this.
3) I don't care about the CSM. I don't care about mittens. I don't care what CCP does about it in the end.
4) Here's the thing... you guys need to decide wtf the CSM is supposed to be... that goes out to CCP and the player base too. If it's the dog and pony show I think it is just forget about it. Who cares what they do. Yah it's bad press for the game but then goons are more about tearing stuff down anyway. Que sera sera, motherf******. If you want the CSM to be serious business, you need to treat it as such. If one is a "stakeholder", they need to be held to account. Harassment, to borrow from the vague parlance of the EULA, is bannable. The metagaming aspect of eve blurrs the lines on this from my perspective, and goons are masterful metagamers, so I don't know what the answer is. Examine the rule of law (we don't have many...), if it was broken maybe give him a 2 week ban and kick him from the CSM. If not stop crying about it and let's move on...
5) If I had to guess from what I understand about the EULA, if somebody told you they were going to off themselves in game and your response was "sweet... post the vid to youtube and give me a mention" that would be within the bounds of the game though arguably immoral. If, however, you got a bunch of people to constantly harass that person, it would be grief play and harassment and then it's up to the GMs but it's bannable.
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Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
72
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:42:00 -
[509] - Quote
Yumi Sagara wrote:No normal person would ever consider doing something like that.
I think you'd be shocked what the normal person would consider. We're not as awesome as we like to think. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
501
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:42:00 -
[510] - Quote
So I just made some hella good breakfast burritos. |
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Valkyria Caeli
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:43:00 -
[511] - Quote
[quote=Karadion][quote=Pepinillos][quote=Gossamer DT][quote=Pepinillos]The amount of Goons trying to defend their overlord is truly impressive.[/quote
Hi ALT
Who is your main, and what does he do?[/quote
What do you care?[/quote Then you're not relevant, NPC Corp Alt.[/quote
Come on, seriously, does anyone really expect people who are not protected by being in one of the big gangs to post on their main? You Goonies have already admitted and verified that you are willing to bulling the hell out of people. We are not stupid, we do still want to be able to play the game this evening and the only protection we little people have is to stay under the radar so thanks but no thanks on giving you any more information about me than that I am posting from a paid for account. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:43:00 -
[512] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:So really, you are actually claiming to have not seen this sort of behavior?
I've never seen that behavior but I don't really associate with manchildren who claim they are suicidal to avoid consequences in a video game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:43:00 -
[513] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
The person in question wasn't really suicidal. He was attempting to garner sympathy after getting scammed and then blown up.
Your ability to provide psychological diagnoses with absolute certainty from brief online interactions is a wonder to behold. Given that you are possessed of what can only be described as a genuine superpower, I suggest you get yourself a costume and go help relieve the clogged up medical system. In that poor place mere 'real doctors' require actual personal contact with their patients before they are able to offer a diagnosis. Think how much you could do with your skill!
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PinkKnife
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
84
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:43:00 -
[514] - Quote
Personally, while I can stand Michael Bolton's fratboy shenanigans, This makes me embarrassed to be an eve player.
This is not the type of media CCP wants brought. Scams, and lossing isk is one thing, the harrassment and potential death of a player, is a whole new level of morally bankrupt.
I imagine most of those defending mittens have never lost someone close to them to suicide or dealt with death in any significant way.
His antics, while arguably borderline sociopath, speak more to his immaturity and childishness than anything else. You know who else doesn't realize the impact of their words, 12 year olds and teenagers looking for attention. |

evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:44:00 -
[515] - Quote
Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2250
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:44:00 -
[516] - Quote
Valkyria Caeli wrote:Come on, seriously, does anyone really expect people who are not protected by being in one of the big gangs to post on their main?
I would think if this was an issue you really cared about you would post with your main. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Krutex
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:44:00 -
[517] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:If I was CCP, I wouldn't want the game associated with this sort of behavior/conduct.
Wait, we're talking about the company that run games during their events where the sole purpose is to get their own employees massivly drunk? Or the one where a game recruitment video is all about confidence scamming? |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2250
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:45:00 -
[518] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
The person in question wasn't really suicidal. He was attempting to garner sympathy after getting scammed and then blown up.
Your ability to provide psychological diagnoses with absolute certainty from brief online interactions is a wonder to behold. Given that you are possessed of what can only be described as a genuine superpower, I suggest you get yourself a costume and go help relieve the clogged up medical system. In that poor place mere 'real doctors' require actual personal contact with their patients before they are able to offer a diagnosis. Think how much you could do with your skill!
The fact that the guy didn't commit suicide doesn't require me to have any psychological training.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
185
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:45:00 -
[519] - Quote
I see no evidence that this person is actually suicidal, and not just another dumbass trying to sympathy himself out of a hole.
If you're a pirate, over the years, you will receive several "OMG im suicidally depressed because you blew up my bantam" evemails.
To my knowledge, none of them has ever killed themselves.
poor taste maybe, but it's not like he stabbed a man.
Use some perspective please people... |

OfBalance
Caldari State
244
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:45:00 -
[520] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:OfBalance wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote: I don't believe that anyone present thought that the scam victim was serious in any way, certainly Mittani didn't. If it had come across as a serious intention the response from Mittani and everyone else present would have been significantly different.
So, how many people do you know who have deliberately pushed suicidal people as hard as they can... and then the suicidal person killed himself/herself? I can think of two in my own personal experience. I would be AMAZED if you didn't know at least one. lmao So, liar or a fool? Which is it? It's hardly uncommon behavior for a certain type of personality to push actually suicidal people as hard as they can. So really, you are actually claiming to have not seen this sort of behavior?
Back in my day we called that "hazing," and in the military it was commonplace. However, nobody actually pushed anyone to suicide in my unit. Even the washouts who went on to such thrilling careers as "alcoholic," still seem to be around. I have no idea what you're on about. I guess you grew up near a water source tainted with lead and/or mercury? |
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Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:46:00 -
[521] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so... And most of the players attacking him are NPC Corp Alts. Hmmmmmmmm. Yeah, well, what do you expect when the person under discussion makes public calls for players he dislikes to be harassed? That his critics will hand over names and telephone numbers? Because he can be trusted not to take things too far? Hmmmmmmmmmm.
WOW, right here folks, yea so I hate to break it to you, but maybe you feel asleep while you were watching the Alliance Pannel, but the mittani didn't even know the wiz, so how can he have a like or dislike for him? |

Borlag Crendraven
EVE University Ivy League
48
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:46:00 -
[522] - Quote
While generally I'm very supportive of what the goons are doing, and a huge part of the appeal of the game for me is in the fact that you can be as big birtbag as you want to in the game and you'll get applauded for it, there's just some lines that should never be crossed. The biggest of them is taking it personal and attacking the people behind the nicknames and not the game characters. Could've it been just a thoughtless comment made after couple of beers too many? Maybe, but I doubt that CCP can look the other way at all when it comes to a person that is in position of representing all its playerbase. Similarily there was a huge outcry of a neo-**** candidate, coming from the goons themselves nonetheless, and now they're defending their own leader, who has shown just as much respect for human life as the ****'s did in the past?
And to think that at one time I actually considered the invitation I received to join the goons, and none of that 500M entry fee bs either.... |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:46:00 -
[523] - Quote
Heimdallofasgard wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:It is quite pleasing to know that there are fellow GOONS who are equally disgusted by Mittani the Great's misconduct.
Goons, we all know that Mittani was a great leader, but that's past now.
Find a new leadership who can better suit the community.
Goons will prevail under better leadership. hahahahaha, you ARE being sarcastic aren't you? silly pubbie
No of course not. I am just seeing floods of support from Mittani the Great's fellow Goon members who are only doing so out of loyalty.
When they look beyond the loyalty, they will see that he is a guy who is responsible for single-handily tarnishing our beloved EVE Online's reputation in a single day.
There are some Goons who see reasons and are actively expressing their disgusts. He was a great leader who eventually brought more harm than good. |

Krutex
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:46:00 -
[524] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
The person in question wasn't really suicidal. He was attempting to garner sympathy after getting scammed and then blown up.
Your ability to provide psychological diagnoses with absolute certainty from brief online interactions is a wonder to behold. Given that you are possessed of what can only be described as a genuine superpower, I suggest you get yourself a costume and go help relieve the clogged up medical system. In that poor place mere 'real doctors' require actual personal contact with their patients before they are able to offer a diagnosis. Think how much you could do with your skill!
As is your ability to refute his statement with an equal amount of evidence. |

evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:47:00 -
[525] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:evereplicant wrote:Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest.
It will be... |

Iniquita
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
41
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:47:00 -
[526] - Quote
The only thing I thought was over the line was sharing the character name and encouraging others to contact the person. But then what sort of behavior do you expect from members of the popular internet bullying site, somethingawful.com. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
471
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:49:00 -
[527] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:evereplicant wrote:Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest. Two guys shooting a monument in a video game in protest is a cry for help. Maybe we should get them therapists and councilors because it's obviously the responsibility of video game makers to provide players free mental healthcare.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
506
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:50:00 -
[528] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:evereplicant wrote:Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest. It will be...
Lol |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
506
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:50:00 -
[529] - Quote
Iniquita wrote:The only thing I thought was over the line was sharing the character name and encouraging others to contact the person. But then what sort of behavior do you expect from members of the popular internet bullying site, somethingawful.com.
Every goon from Something Awful dot com is an internet bully.
Trust me. |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:51:00 -
[530] - Quote
He is the most powerful man in eve... how do you think he got there? definitely not by sharing sentiments with pubbies like the ones in this thread...
One phrase springs to mind.
"Welcome to EVE" |
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
14
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:51:00 -
[531] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:evereplicant wrote:Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest. It will be... Hope you guys are still there when I get home from work. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |

Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
67
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:51:00 -
[532] - Quote
PinkKnife wrote:Personally, while I can stand Michael Bolton's fratboy shenanigans, This makes me embarrassed to be an eve player.
This is not the type of media CCP wants brought. Scams, and losing isk is one thing, the harassment and potential death of a player, is a whole new level of morally bankrupt.
I imagine most of those defending mittens have never lost someone close to them to suicide or dealt with death in any significant way.
His antics, while arguably borderline sociopathic, speak more to his immaturity and childishness than anything else. You know who else doesn't realize the impact of their words, 12 year olds and teenagers looking for attention.
Hi. My uncle on my mothers side committed suicide.
It was a joke. Kill yourself. |

Pasen Haas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:51:00 -
[533] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:evereplicant wrote:Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest. Two guys shooting a monument in a video game in protest is a cry for help. Maybe we should get them therapists and councilors because it's obviously the responsibility of video game makers to provide players free mental healthcare.
Given the crippled real world economy and the cuts to healthcare in most of our countries, why not just bombard them with mails and save tax payers money? |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2262
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:51:00 -
[534] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:evereplicant wrote:Jita Monument Shooting Protest now in progress - Show your support Two guys shooting a monument is hardly a protest. It will be...
:shobon:
Keep believing little pubbie...keep believing.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
507
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:51:00 -
[535] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Valk Enaka wrote: The Mittani was voted in by a huge majority, and to consider kicking him from it just goes to show how little you care about the playerbase. CCP, this is where you need to show the same restraint you showed previously when other unpopular things have happened. At Fanfest you made many comments about listening to the players, and why look further than your own CSM results. As pointed out in many other threads, Mittens has received over 10,000 votes in this last election. Listen to the playerbase CCP.
What makes you think that the 10000 votes mean anything right now. No one voted before this happened. -1 BTW, as much as I liked his platform. Saying find him about a player even suspected of being suicidal is just going to far in my book. I don't care enough as current to make a huge issue over this, but I would not complain if the investigation kicks him off ether. So next year he might only get 10,057 votes are you sure?
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:52:00 -
[536] - Quote
Why are people still babbling on about Psychology? It's irrelevant.
The issue is that The Mittani, as a CSM, suggested to people that they break the rules by harassing someone. That's it. It's been said before (self-quoting for the win):
Quote:1. Whether or not a player is "suicidal" is irrelevant.
2. The rules explicitly state that harassment is not permitted.
3. The Mittani publicly requested people to harass this player in an out-of-game forum (albeit one sanctioned by the game company).
(snip)
He's not actually breaking any rules himself, and whether or not people choose to harass this guy is their decision. From a purely logical standpoint, The Mittani has broken no rules.
The real argument here is whether or not having a CSM member suggest that players break game rules "for the lulz" is acceptable conduct.
(snip)
You guys are doing the same thing that occurred during that whole Lewinsky scandal, where it became about adultery instead of perjury. There's no point in yammering on about psychology and suicide like you know what you're talking about when it's completely irrelevant to the issue at hand (though sadly had the player in question not been considered "suicidal" I doubt this issue would be receiving the attention it is). |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:52:00 -
[537] - Quote
[quote=Ladie Harlot][quote=Jessie-A Tassik]So, how many people do you know who have deliberately pushed suicidal people as hard as they can... and then the suicidal person killed himself/herself?.[/quote
The person in question wasn't really suicidal. He was attempting to garner sympathy after getting scammed and then blown up
If the "mad about Mittani" crowd gets their way any time something happens in-game that you don't like you can just cry about being suicidal and get rewarded [/quote
My response was to the poster who claimed "if the person was really suicidal then everyone would have acted completely different". As in "nobody really pushes suicidal people"
Well, that would be NO. There are people who really do do that. Oh sure, MOST PEOPLE don't. But there really are people in the real world who really do push suicidal people hard
As for Mittani, he knew the guy was a whiner, but much like the annoying atheist chick who youtube'd "that some guy I didn't want to sleep with hit on me in an elevator and I said no and he left", his wildly insane public attack on a damaged individual is in extraordinarily poor taste
In fact, if the Goon-vermin go after this guy full force, he might become suicidal as a result of the very very public attack
The appropriate response was to ignore it or attack him in a less public way.
NOTE: Goon-vermin refusal to "talk with" people they can't threaten makes them thugs. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
537
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:53:00 -
[538] - Quote
lol this is like the New Eden occupy movement, where a bunch of indignant nobodies think if they whine loud enough they'll get their treat |

Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:53:00 -
[539] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Just so everyone knows, I'm not condoning what Mittani said but what I'm saying is that you can't prove the guy is suicidal at all.
What I'm REALLY trying to say is: Lol this thread
You miss the point entirely. The problem is precisely the reverse of your formulation - that a call went out to harass someone despite the fact that no-one could be really sure that he wasn't genuinely suicidal. In cases like that it seems pretty obvious that you should err on the side of caution because whatever the upside of mocking and griefing such a person is cannot possibly outweigh the possible downside that has not been rigorously excluded. Scam the guy - fine, it's eve. Mock the guy a bit to his face - a bit more questionable, but Goons will be Goons. Publicly call for people to harass him in the explicit context of his self-identification as suicidal, without making any real effort (because such would be impossible) to rule out the possibility that he really was? That's just childish self-gratification (which in itself is fine) gambling with the real life well-being of others (which is definitely not). To take that bet, whatever the odds, is reprehensible, not to say pointlessly dangerous. Unless you value your giggles that highly that you would be willing to actually risk someone's life for them? |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:54:00 -
[540] - Quote
I'm gay. |
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
512
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:54:00 -
[541] - Quote
Oh man that was a p good snipe |

Daktar Jaxs
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:55:00 -
[542] - Quote
Nerf Mittens, there is no way that his unfunny dicking around should have been able to deliver such a wrecking blow, resulting in so many tears |

Pasen Haas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:56:00 -
[543] - Quote
Daktar Jaxs wrote:Nerf Mittens, there is no way that his unfunny dicking around should have been able to deliver such a wrecking blow, resulting in so many tears
twas pretty funny... |

My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:56:00 -
[544] - Quote
I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope all these ******* tools are actually in Jita trying to get a riot going.
Guy in Jita:
"Hey, why is that 1 guy shooting the monument over there?" ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |

PinkKnife
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
86
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:56:00 -
[545] - Quote
Jonathan Malcom wrote:PinkKnife wrote:Personally, while I can stand Michael Bolton's fratboy shenanigans, This makes me embarrassed to be an eve player.
This is not the type of media CCP wants brought. Scams, and losing isk is one thing, the harassment and potential death of a player, is a whole new level of morally bankrupt.
I imagine most of those defending mittens have never lost someone close to them to suicide or dealt with death in any significant way.
His antics, while arguably borderline sociopathic, speak more to his immaturity and childishness than anything else. You know who else doesn't realize the impact of their words, 12 year olds and teenagers looking for attention. Hi. My uncle on my mothers side committed suicide. It was a joke. Kill yourself.
Oh man, you're so cool, can I be just like you? As some of the comments on Massively have said, this bullshit I don't care about anyone form of anonymous machismo is pathetic and childish. L2 grow up you child. |

stoicfaux
810
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:56:00 -
[546] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:I'm gay. We're happy that you're happy?
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
188
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:56:00 -
[547] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote: In fact, if the Goon-vermin go after this guy full force, he might become suicidal as a result of the very very public attack
The appropriate response was to ignore it or attack him in a less public way.
NOTE: Goon-vermin refusal to "talk with" people they can't threaten makes them thugs.
It's not the goons' responsibility to determine if the guy is suicidal, or just a whiner playing the sympathy card.
It's a real suicidal person's task to remove themselves from situations that cause anxiety and seek professional help.
By your definitions no PVP game should exist because you might make a suicidal person kill themselves.
I don't think the display was very tasteful, but I also think nobody here is actually using their heads and using logic to analyse the situation.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
512
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:57:00 -
[548] - Quote
Also, I wasn't aware that the EULA covered out of game actions? |

My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:57:00 -
[549] - Quote
Daktar Jaxs wrote:Nerf Mittens, there is no way that his unfunny dicking around should have been able to deliver such a wrecking blow, resulting in so many tears
None of us could have extracted care bear tears any better than Mittens has done.
Next time I see him in game or on comms of some sort, I plan to personally congratulate him on so many tears... ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
512
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:57:00 -
[550] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Also, I wasn't aware that the EULA covered out of game actions?
So if I'm talking to my friend IRL and I start calling a guy I know in eve names and saying he should kill himself, could my friend file a petition and get me banned? |
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
65
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:58:00 -
[551] - Quote
Krutex wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
The person in question wasn't really suicidal. He was attempting to garner sympathy after getting scammed and then blown up.
Your ability to provide psychological diagnoses with absolute certainty from brief online interactions is a wonder to behold. Given that you are possessed of what can only be described as a genuine superpower, I suggest you get yourself a costume and go help relieve the clogged up medical system. In that poor place mere 'real doctors' require actual personal contact with their patients before they are able to offer a diagnosis. Think how much you could do with your skill! As is your ability to refute his statement with an equal amount of evidence.
Sadly your logic-fu is weak, grasshopper. You may want to spend some hours practicing 'sitting crane' position in the library.
I have no need to refute his argument. It is enough that the matter is uncertain for the Mittani's actions to be abhorrent (in CCP's words). If he cannot be sure that the guy wasn't suicidal then he chose to gamble with someone's well-being. The only time it would have been OK would have been if there was real certainty that there was no problem. Not internet-spaceship-nerd 'psychological intuition'. |

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:59:00 -
[552] - Quote
thought Suicide ganking was allowed whats everyone so mad about? |

Livini Naship
Eve Ryuken Spacelane Consortium
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 18:59:00 -
[553] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:I see no evidence that this person is actually suicidal, and not just another dumbass trying to sympathy himself out of a hole.
If you're a pirate, over the years, you will receive several "OMG im suicidally depressed because you blew up my bantam" evemails.
To my knowledge, none of them has ever killed themselves.
poor taste maybe, but it's not like he stabbed a man.
Use some perspective please people...
The guy himself that claimed that he is suicidal is not of interest here. But the publicly performance of the guys at the alliance panel is, because they represented themselves on a by CCP sponsored livestream. The only damage they have done is to CCP and themselves with these few sentences. (sry for bad english) |

My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:00:00 -
[554] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote: In fact, if the Goon-vermin go after this guy full force, he might become suicidal as a result of the very very public attack
The appropriate response was to ignore it or attack him in a less public way.
NOTE: Goon-vermin refusal to "talk with" people they can't threaten makes them thugs.
It's not the goons' responsibility to determine if the guy is suicidal, or just a whiner playing the sympathy card.It's a real suicidal person's task to remove themselves from situations that cause anxiety and seek professional help. By your definitions no PVP game should exist because you might make a suicidal person kill themselves. I don't think the display was very tasteful, but I also think nobody here is actually using their heads and using logic to analyse the situation.
I disagree, I think this is actually a not-so-well-though-out NCdot/PL/Raiden plot to try and remove Mittens from CSM because they are butt-hurt the CFC can generate more votes than their hypocritical anti-coalition coalition...
And they are butt-hurt about the 3 titans they got blapped.
FOFOFOFOFOFOFOFOFOFOFOFOFOFO ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |

Jim Luc
Rule of Five
14
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:00:00 -
[555] - Quote
Boring thread. |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:00:00 -
[556] - Quote
"It's not about the guy... it's about the character"
it is an mmo-"RPG"!!!! after all |

ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:00:00 -
[557] - Quote
Yumi Sagara wrote:Wow, if this is true then Mittani is one seriously messed up individual. Far beyond whatever he role plays as in the game. This isn't douchebaggery, this is flat out insanity. No normal person would ever consider doing something like that. This dude has some serious issues... I wonder what he would do with himself if he didn't have EVE to keep him stable and give him an outlet? Kill the neighborhood cats, I guess. Crap, you know what? Let him have CSM. Maybe that's the secret the goons all have that makes them support him unanimously. They know he's a ticking timebomb that might go on a shooting spree at his workplace one day if he doesn't have some outlet for craziness. >_> Having him muck up some video game is a small price to pay to keep that from happening. Edit: Another media coverage post! http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/
If this is legit, then this guy has a screw loose, and obviously doesn't understand social and moral boundaries. Being drunk doesn't excuse this level of behavior, and the fact that he had that information prepared meant he thought of it beforehand. To preplan something that messed up? Takes a special level of psycho.
But I wonder if its real. I wonder if he or a friend didn't just make the toon and make that whole story up just to get the publicity. Of course, CCP would be able to see that when they investigated so he wouldn't have to worry about being removed from CSM, banned and having the authorities get involves.
So basically, if nothing happens to him you'll know he just staged all this. Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png (Source: https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras ) |

Pasen Haas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:01:00 -
[558] - Quote
Heimdallofasgard wrote:"It's not about the guy... it's about the character"
it is an mmo-"RPG"!!!! after all
wanna join WI? |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:01:00 -
[559] - Quote
Why do you people always blur the line between the mittani the Goon Alliance leader (note the pannel name in question here); eve pilot and the mittani the CSM chair?
just becase you are on the CSM doesn't mean your eve play is dead and no longer allowed. get over your selves all ready TIA.
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
65
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:02:00 -
[560] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:
It's not the goons' responsibility to determine if the guy is suicidal, or just a whiner playing the sympathy card.
It's a real suicidal person's task to remove themselves from situations that cause anxiety and seek professional help.
By your definitions no PVP game should exist because you might make a suicidal person kill themselves.
Because real suicidal people are frequently noted for their powers of discrimination in not putting themselves in harm's way? Oh, wait ...
The argument about PvP games in general is total crap. We're not talking about the consequences of someone losing their ship. we're talking about the consequences of a public call to harass a person. If you look closely you may be able to discern a minor difference.
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
98
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:02:00 -
[561] - Quote
Welp, cross posting from a different but similar thread:
JamesCLK wrote:This is starting to get really old really fast. It's as if people are trying to smear literally anything they can get their hands on, on Mittens. How desperate can you get? This must be a new level of internet lawyer-dom. Suicide is not a bargaining chip people; if you have issues -- and even the slightest intention of doing something about it -- you would be seeking professional help, not ~threatening~ people over the internet (of all mediums  ) with suicide. Now, I know people aren't angry about this because someone claimed to be suicidal; you're angry because Mittens pulled a 'name and shame' out of his hat and essentially said "go find this guy". It is also debatable which party is responsible; is it Mittens, or is it 'The Wis'? This actually isn't really important in the big picture because both are subject to human nature and chaos (if it can be done, some(one) will eventually do it). Hence we can't blame Mittens for talking about it, and we can't blame The Wis for typing it in the first place. But here's where the victimization element comes into play: Of the following, who is easier to feel sympathy and/or empathy for? Goonswarm CEO " douche bag extraordinaire" The Mittani, or Random-person " poor sod" The Wis? Your personal choice is probably going to differ from mine, but I'm personally leaning towards Mittens, if only because The Wis used suicide as a bargaining chip. That and I don't have a bad opinion of Goonswar- ah; see... Right there is the real problem. The people making the biggest fuss about this really just don't like Goonswarm or The Mittani regardless (this is a generalization, apply reason). The real tragedy is that they are using The Wis as a straw man (whether they realise it or not is irrelevant); an excuse for attacks on someone whom they don't like. I could also be wrong and people genuinely care about and want to defend someone they've never met, talked to, or even cared about before Mittens brought it up. Excuse me if I find that a little hard to believe until someone shows me a documentary about The Wis being a person with actual issues IRL and being unable to deal with them. If you really care about this person, I challenge you to run a charity to get him professional help and counselling. Take that as you will; but you should probably just do as the ex-attorney said and The Mittani wrote:deal with it~ This is a terrible thread, with an even worse topic, inevitably posted by people who just can't let anything slip. Or maybe it's all a trap taken just a bit too far; nobody knows but Mittens (I'll be waiting for his official statement). Brought to you by 'not-an-internet-lawyer'. |

ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
72
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:03:00 -
[562] - Quote
Gossamer DT wrote:Why do you people always blur the line between the mittani the Goon Alliance leader (note the pannel name in question here); eve pilot and the mittani the CSM chair? just becase you are on the CSM doesn't mean your eve play is dead and no longer allowed. get over your selves all ready TIA.
This is far past eve play. This is trying to basically lead to a real death of a real human being for his own personal amusement. What he did would be considered a serious crime in many countries if that person really did take their life after this.
He best pray to whatever gods he does or does not believe in that this person doesn't die any time soon, or he will have serious legal problems on his hands. Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png (Source: https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras ) |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
136
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:03:00 -
[563] - Quote
Pasen Haas wrote:Heimdallofasgard wrote:"It's not about the guy... it's about the character"
it is an mmo-"RPG"!!!! after all wanna join WI?
haha YES!, Is this redeemable at a later date when I have more time in my life for null sec and not just forum trolling?
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:04:00 -
[564] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:I also think nobody here is actually using their heads and using logic to analyse the situation.
I've tried a couple times now, but it seems to repeatedly get buried in forum-scroll by non sequitur posts announcing sexual orientation and people just regurgitating the same flawed, irrelevant arguments that strated on Page 2 with no real progress in the discussion short of "if I shout it loud enough, it will become fact" attitudes. Eh, I gave it a shot.
I'd held out hope for a more refined discussion on a forum for a game that supposedly has a more mature user base. I guess as a new EVE player, I'm still pretty naive. Hey, could be worse...at least I'm not falling for that guy selling 1 piece of Tritanium for 600+ million ISK. |

Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
67
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:04:00 -
[565] - Quote
PinkKnife wrote:
Oh man, you're so cool, can I be just like you?
Yes, you can. But it will require some perspective. Good luck.
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1068
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:05:00 -
[566] - Quote
The presentation was maybe distasteful, but who knows, maybe the troubled person was just trolling goons after handing them some ISK.
If this can be counted as harassment, players involved should get a warning. If the harassment continues, they should receive a short term ban.
This is space ships game with serious business. Players make the content and CCP is not responsible about the mental health of individual players. There is warning about unmoderated in-game communication and if some players are not up for the challenge, they should not log in to the game.
If some player things that he is being harassed and stalked by some individuals he should contact CCP and file a petition. It is not our work to decide how he feels. If such complaint has not been made, there won't be even grounds to give anyone warnings about the discussion what has taken place.
Maybe this all has been just nice politics again. You never know.
Get |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
188
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:05:00 -
[567] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:
Because real suicidal people are frequently noted for their powers of discrimination in not putting themselves in harm's way? Oh, wait ...
The argument about PvP games in general is total crap. We're not talking about the consequences of someone losing their ship. we're talking about the consequences of a public call to harass a person. If you look closely you may be able to discern a minor difference.
it's 100% NOT YOUR PROBLEM OR RESPOSIBILITY if someone is suicidal. Not one smidgen, because YOU are not a psychologist, and YOU have no way to determine the veracity of their claims, AT ALL. EVER.
However, posting the player's credentials publically and invoking a request to hassle them, THAT is against the EULA, 100%.
does that help you?
Now get off your moral high horse and apply logic. |

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
632
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:06:00 -
[568] - Quote
what i don't understand is why the people in the room just ignored that idiot. The simplest and with fewest effort connected what you can do is to leave the room. a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |

Pasen Haas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:06:00 -
[569] - Quote
Heimdallofasgard wrote:Pasen Haas wrote:Heimdallofasgard wrote:"It's not about the guy... it's about the character"
it is an mmo-"RPG"!!!! after all wanna join WI? haha YES!, Is this redeemable at a later date when I have more time in my life for null sec and not just forum trolling?
I was serious ^.^ recruiting from a hate threat about the glorious mittens is something I'll get moaned at for, but it will be worth it <3 |

Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:07:00 -
[570] - Quote
Isn't mittens a lawyer IRL? The case about the kid offing himself, and those helping provoke (Found guilty fyi) perhaps uh... I dunno at least think to make an apology?
Is it really that difficult to acknowledge that you said something ****** up when drunk, and apologize for it? I understand saying stupid ****/doing stupid **** when drunk, but it doesn't make it less asinine or right.
Those defending him I also get sticking up for a friend...however my friends do dumb **** drunk as well. Doesn't mean I dont call them on it, and tell them they ****** up... So why the over whelming support for something probably not the most kosher? |
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Javier McPoopbeard
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:07:00 -
[571] - Quote
lol |

Steelshine
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
63
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:08:00 -
[572] - Quote
Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:09:00 -
[573] - Quote
So a guy mocked a crying carebear playing the sympathy card during 'fanfest' aka 'drinkfest - so what?
If the guy was GENUINELY suicidal, there is no way he would be playing Eve. Having been to the brink myself a few years back - and Im not joking, I was standing on the top of the bridge - a guy who is actually on the brink of suicide would not be playing a computer game, this was just a guy playing the sympathy card, fishing for isk or at least to be left alone to mine. In other words, worthy of being mocked. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
472
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:09:00 -
[574] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Also, I wasn't aware that the EULA covered out of game actions? It actually does. However, it cuts both ways in this context. I don't even need to know what happened... CCP would be totally covered to do whatever they want here.
Quote:ii. Termination of EULA CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) you fail to pay the subscription fee when due; (ii) CCP is unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide; (iii) you or anyone using any of your Accounts materially breaches the EULA, makes any unauthorized use of the System or Software, or infringes the rights of CCP or any third party; or (iv) CCP becomes aware of game play, chat or player activity under your Account that is, in CCP's discretion, inappropriate or in violation of the Rules of Conduct. Such termination shall be effective upon notice transmitted via electronic mail, or any other means reasonably calculated to reach you. CCP reserves the right to terminate any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the closed Account. Termination by CCP under this section shall be without prejudice to or waiver of any and all of CCP's other rights or remedies, all of which are expressly reserved, survive termination, and are cumulative. You will not receive a refund of prepaid subscription fees for a termination pursuant to this section.
*snip*
You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. CCP does not guarantee that you will not encounter behavior of others that you may view as insulting, demeaning, offensive, threatening or harassing. You assume all risk associated with playing the Game, and CCP assumes no responsibility for the conduct of any other players, and shall not be liable to you or any other person for their conduct.
Read the EULA. CCP owns us 
I'm fine with it...
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oldbutfeelingyoung
510
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:09:00 -
[575] - Quote
if i like Mittani or don,t like him it doesn,t matter much. What matters what CCP thinks, if this is message is escalating on to the more important game sites There are 3 sides of the storie
1 guy saying to commit suicide 1 guy saying let make him do it the ones that listen to the above person and are the ones who are just as criminalas he is (at least in some countries)
if this happend on some out of EvE forum nothing would come to our attention But this happened in a big event organised by CCP herself
I don,t think they react today ,but they have to tomorrow Good luck Mittens ,you need it
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

SicSemperTyrannis
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:10:00 -
[576] - Quote
Look at dat fukken thread |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
173
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:10:00 -
[577] - Quote
They went to far with this at the panel.
What they did at the panel was no longer a game anymore.
This is rather sickening actually, I waited to see what it was about cause i missed it and finally got around to looking at it.
This is practically criminal conduct.
There are real people behind the accounts we play.
Advocating pushing someone to kill themselves is freaking evil. The its just s joke line doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
I'm very disappointed in everyone that took part in that panel.
They crossed the line with this. And CCP should be ashamed for it since they hosted this scummy crap. |

Prince Kobol
310
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:12:00 -
[578] - Quote
People need to stop talking about whether the guy is really suicidal, it does not matter.
Eve if the whole mail was faked, it doesn't matter.
As far as CCP, their Partners and Investor's are concerned, the second this issue appeared outside of the Eve and started to appear on popular external gaming sites (hopefully it goes no further) it became a "CCP and their players humiliate and mock potentially suicidal player"
You have The Mittani, the newly re-elected Chairman of a Council elected by the players of Eve, a auditorium of players and CCP employees at an official CCP event , all being filmed and broadcast live (now available on youtube and other sites), getting drunk and joking about somebody being suicidal.
On top of that you then have the Mittani encouraging people to contact him.
To many people outside of the Eve community this will just come across as a bunch of drunken idiots at an official gathering encouraging other people to mock and humiliate a person who could be suicidal, and then encouraging others to mock him further.
In a lot of countries you have many people constantly trying to blame computer games for many of societies problems, something like this is pure gold to them.
The last thing CCP, their Partners and Investors want is this type of publicity.
No way you swing it, it looks very very bad |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:12:00 -
[579] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:They went to far with this at the panel.
What they did at the panel was no longer a game anymore.
This is rather sickening actually, I waited to see what it was about cause i missed it and finally got around to looking at it.
This is practically criminal conduct.
There are real people behind the accounts we play.
Advocating pushing someone to kill themselves is freaking evil. The its just s joke line doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
I'm very disappointed in everyone that took part in that panel.
They crossed the line with this. And CCP should be ashamed for it since they hosted this scummy crap.
The guy wasnt actually suicidal though, he was just playing the sympathy card. Mocking some butthurt carebear is fine, thats all that happened here. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
511
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:13:00 -
[580] - Quote
Steelshine wrote:Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with
i don,t think the votes Mittens got alts or real accounts matter much now. He lost face ,but the worst part of it CCP and EVE loose face also If the important game media gets hold of this ,they won,t cover a great fanfest but something else
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:14:00 -
[581] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote: In fact, if the Goon-vermin go after this guy full force, he might become suicidal as a result of the very very public attack
The appropriate response was to ignore it or attack him in a less public way.
NOTE: Goon-vermin refusal to "talk with" people they can't threaten makes them thugs.
It's not the goons' responsibility to determine if the guy is suicidal, or just a whiner playing the sympathy card.It's a real suicidal person's task to remove themselves from situations that cause anxiety and seek professional help. By your definitions no PVP game should exist because you might make a suicidal person kill themselves. I don't think the display was very tasteful, but I also think nobody here is actually using their heads and using logic to analyse the situation.
So, it's okay to actually attack an actually suicidal person who actually kills himself so long as you weren't 99.99% sure that he was actually suicidal?
Or maybe just because he didn't avoid you so really it's actually HIS FAULT for what you did?
You guys sure come unglued fast when the other side stops being nice, don't you? Sing for me little Goon, sing.
|

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
175
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:15:00 -
[582] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:They went to far with this at the panel.
What they did at the panel was no longer a game anymore.
This is rather sickening actually, I waited to see what it was about cause i missed it and finally got around to looking at it.
This is practically criminal conduct.
There are real people behind the accounts we play.
Advocating pushing someone to kill themselves is freaking evil. The its just s joke line doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
I'm very disappointed in everyone that took part in that panel.
They crossed the line with this. And CCP should be ashamed for it since they hosted this scummy crap. The guy wasnt actually suicidal though, he was just playing the sympathy card. Mocking some butthurt carebear is fine, thats all that happened here.
You dont know that. You cant make that claim.
They crossed the line that should not be crossed. This is not a game anymore after what they did on that panel. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:15:00 -
[583] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Steelshine wrote:Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with i don,t think the votes Mittens got alts or real accounts matter much now. He lost face ,but the worst part of it CCP and EVE loose face also If the important game media gets hold of this ,they won,t cover a great fanfest but something else
This is a game that is proud of gankers. Proud of the harsh world that is Eve. This wont really affect them that much - if anything, the subscriber base will increase as the game is brought under the public eye. |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
41
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:16:00 -
[584] - Quote
ILikeMarkets wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Why do you people always blur the line between the mittani the Goon Alliance leader (note the pannel name in question here); eve pilot and the mittani the CSM chair? just becase you are on the CSM doesn't mean your eve play is dead and no longer allowed. get over your selves all ready TIA. This is far past eve play. This is trying to basically lead to a real death of a real human being for his own personal amusement. What he did would be considered a serious crime in many countries if that person really did take their life after this. He best pray to whatever gods he does or does not believe in that this person doesn't die any time soon, or he will have serious legal problems on his hands.
First and for most, who is your main, and what does he do?
I just can't decide if this is a troll or not, I mean really, how dumb are you? You might want to step out side for a bit, you might find out that oxygen from trees will help with your delutions and the feeling that your are great is only correct at your moms house. who is your main, and what does he do? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
175
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:17:00 -
[585] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Steelshine wrote:Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with i don,t think the votes Mittens got alts or real accounts matter much now. He lost face ,but the worst part of it CCP and EVE loose face also If the important game media gets hold of this ,they won,t cover a great fanfest but something else
Any good feelings that fanfest had were just sunk by what they did.
This took the step past trolling that should not be crossed. |

Livini Naship
Eve Ryuken Spacelane Consortium
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:17:00 -
[586] - Quote
dude the problem is that it was on a livestream by ccp, publicly. and thats not correct |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:17:00 -
[587] - Quote
So, actually looking the guy up on the net, by what I can gather, he doesn't seem to be terribly suicidal. And he really likes **** jokes. |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
545
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:18:00 -
[588] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:They went to far with this at the panel.
What they did at the panel was no longer a game anymore.
This is rather sickening actually, I waited to see what it was about cause i missed it and finally got around to looking at it.
This is practically criminal conduct.
There are real people behind the accounts we play.
Advocating pushing someone to kill themselves is freaking evil. The its just s joke line doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
I'm very disappointed in everyone that took part in that panel.
They crossed the line with this. And CCP should be ashamed for it since they hosted this scummy crap. The guy wasnt actually suicidal though, he was just playing the sympathy card. Mocking some butthurt carebear is fine, thats all that happened here.
I'll go one step further than Mittani. Anyone that threatens me with suicide really should commit suicide if the intent is to stick it to my conscience. I might actually sleep better at night, knowing that I was the reason someone irrelevant killed him or herself. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
320
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:19:00 -
[589] - Quote
Wow, a very large concentrated mass of YouMad -- the creamy nougat version of Delicious Tears.
Harden Up and Grow a Pair, Little Pubbies! You're playing EVE, not Hello Kitty Online. |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
202
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:19:00 -
[590] - Quote
yeah its kinda sad that this years fanfest mega thread is not about some nerf or new toy or gameplay change... but its the elected representative of eve playing making a mockery of us...
this is really bad publicity....
i can only hope that mittenz is forced to resign and we get someone respectable as chairman like twostepp...
mebitach. |
|

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:20:00 -
[591] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Steelshine wrote:Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with i don,t think the votes Mittens got alts or real accounts matter much now. He lost face ,but the worst part of it CCP and EVE loose face also If the important game media gets hold of this ,they won,t cover a great fanfest but something else This is a game that is proud of gankers. Proud of the harsh world that is Eve.
Take it one step farther, and repost something from a site which cannot be named:
"The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. you don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
193
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:20:00 -
[592] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
So, it's okay to actually attack an actually suicidal person who actually kills himself so long as you weren't 99.99% sure that he was actually suicidal?
Or maybe just because he didn't avoid you so really it's actually HIS FAULT for what you did?
You guys sure come unglued fast when the other side stops being nice, don't you? Sing for me little Goon, sing.
It is absolutely 100% ok to do whatever you please to them in this video game, as long as it lies within the parameters of gameplay set forth by CCP.
Their mental condition is in no way your concern, they chose to play the game, this can happen in THIS game, not. your. problem.
Don't try to take my words out of context by cleverly leaving out the fact that we're talking about something that happened in a video game. |

Prince Kobol
316
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:20:00 -
[593] - Quote
Aileren wrote:So, actually looking the guy up on the net, by what I can gather, he doesn't seem to be terribly suicidal. And he really likes **** jokes.
Totally irrelevant now.
When your product is getting headlines like
"CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying"
that is bad no matter how you swing it |

ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
74
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:20:00 -
[594] - Quote
Gossamer DT wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Why do you people always blur the line between the mittani the Goon Alliance leader (note the pannel name in question here); eve pilot and the mittani the CSM chair? just becase you are on the CSM doesn't mean your eve play is dead and no longer allowed. get over your selves all ready TIA. This is far past eve play. This is trying to basically lead to a real death of a real human being for his own personal amusement. What he did would be considered a serious crime in many countries if that person really did take their life after this. He best pray to whatever gods he does or does not believe in that this person doesn't die any time soon, or he will have serious legal problems on his hands. First and for most, who is your main, and what does he do? I just can't decide if this is a troll or not, I mean really, how dumb are you? You might want to step out side for a bit, you might find out that oxygen from trees will help with your delutions and the feeling that your are great is only correct at your moms house.
What part of him saying "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [REMOVED]," do you not seem to understand? Do you understand what cyber-bullying laws entail, including the punishments that come along with them? You don't seem to understand that in the real world there are consequences for your actions, and those consequences can sometimes include legal action. Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png (Source: https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras ) |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:20:00 -
[595] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:They went to far with this at the panel.
What they did at the panel was no longer a game anymore.
This is rather sickening actually, I waited to see what it was about cause i missed it and finally got around to looking at it.
This is practically criminal conduct.
There are real people behind the accounts we play.
Advocating pushing someone to kill themselves is freaking evil. The its just s joke line doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
I'm very disappointed in everyone that took part in that panel.
They crossed the line with this. And CCP should be ashamed for it since they hosted this scummy crap. The guy wasnt actually suicidal though, he was just playing the sympathy card. Mocking some butthurt carebear is fine, thats all that happened here. You dont know that. You cant make that claim. They crossed the line that should not be crossed. This is not a game anymore after what they did on that panel.
What if I was mining, got ganked, was mocked in local and went out immediatly and hung myself? Every time a gank happens, this could potentially happen. Are you saying every ganker was an evil jerk who was trying to get people to kill themselves? Of course not. This is yet another example of players mocking a carebear who, as far as they can reasonably tell, is not suicidal. This happens on an hourly basis, if not more often.
Because no one who is genuinely suicidal plays a computer game, and says 'oh, Im depressed, and suicidal'. Not if they are genuinely suicidal. This guy was just playing the sympathy card, and therefore worthy of being mocked.
|

oldbutfeelingyoung
511
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:20:00 -
[596] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Steelshine wrote:Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with i don,t think the votes Mittens got alts or real accounts matter much now. He lost face ,but the worst part of it CCP and EVE loose face also If the important game media gets hold of this ,they won,t cover a great fanfest but something else This is a game that is proud of gankers. Proud of the harsh world that is Eve. This wont really affect them that much - if anything, the subscriber base will increase as the game is brought under the public eye.
I really hope this is the case I didn,t see that alliance keynote hoping to get a link to it. But from what i see on the forums is enough to get me worried I hope this will not escalate to some bigger gamesites
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:20:00 -
[597] - Quote
Oh wow!
I've been looking at this stuff.
Mittani is screwed. CCP is going to crucify him. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
205
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:21:00 -
[598] - Quote
Mittani the Great's supporters' only "defenses" for Mittani the Great:
"Who is your main?"
"Where did you get your psychology degree?"
"Suicidal people deserve to die. Better for the gene-pool."
"10,084"
"First and for most, who is your main, and what does he do?"
"STFU carebears"
"This is happening only because people hate Goons"
These excuses are getting pathetic and do not explain anything about Mittani's misconduct. |

Karadan Kaarwen
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:21:00 -
[599] - Quote
So let me get this straight. An Eve playing douche bag full of internet machismo is unable to distinguish the line between a game and reality, and says some really stupid stuff in the heat of the moment. Internet machismo guy is then unable to backtrack lest look weak in front of his equally ridiculous peers, so does the courageous thing by playing it up as 'nothing special'. Cue hordes of sycophants trying their level-best to defend said douche bag's actions using astonishing idiocy as their reasoning tool.
Why am i not surprised?
I have the feeling public attention over this will force CCP's hand and we won't see Mittani in CSM for much longer. That, or CCP actually want another enormous public relations disaster on their hands.
|

Singular Structure
X-Factor Productions
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:21:00 -
[600] - Quote
This is why I love this game!
Can we vote for Mittens to next CSM already? |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3413
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:21:00 -
[601] - Quote
look at all the angry idiots in this thread lma0 "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
175
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:23:00 -
[602] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
So, it's okay to actually attack an actually suicidal person who actually kills himself so long as you weren't 99.99% sure that he was actually suicidal?
Or maybe just because he didn't avoid you so really it's actually HIS FAULT for what you did?
You guys sure come unglued fast when the other side stops being nice, don't you? Sing for me little Goon, sing.
It is absolutely 100% ok to do whatever you please to them in this video game, as long as it lies within the parameters of gameplay set forth by CCP. Their mental condition is in no way your concern, they chose to play the game, this can happen in THIS game, not. your. problem. Don't try to take my words out of context by cleverly leaving out the fact that we're talking about something that happened in a video game.
Exactly, they took it out of the game. Thats a, NO GO.
The ones defending it are just as bad.
Sociopaths. |

Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:23:00 -
[603] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Mittani the Great's supporters' only "defenses" for Mittani the Great:
"Who is your main?"
"Where did you get your psychology degree?"
"Suicidal people deserve to die. Better for the gene-pool."
"10,084"
"First and for most, who is your main, and what does he do?"
"STFU carebears"
"This is happening only because people hate Goons"
These excuses are getting pathetic and do not explain anything about Mittani's misconduct. It's ~10058~. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1413
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:23:00 -
[604] - Quote
Bienator II wrote:what i don't understand is why the people in the room just ignored that idiot. The simplest and with fewest effort connected what you can do is to leave the room.
I suspect because they were mostly goon(goon pets) who idolize mittani and think he can do no wrong ...
(But its just a guess :)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:24:00 -
[605] - Quote
The Mittani may call his outburst to be the culmination of his personal moral compass.
But ethics are defined by the moral majority, which in the interest of keeping the peace are best publically proclaimed. That which you believe to be true, you can whisper to those of a similar mind.
Though for some CSM members fanfest is more of a public self gratifying egoboost and does not necessarily reflect upon their qualities as representatives of the player community, I certainly do hope decisions that affect my game are made with more thought and consideration.
I trust my vote for Trebor was cast for someone who is able to keep the kids focused. Only time will tell. Signature added by Adalun Dey. |

ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
74
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:24:00 -
[606] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Mittani the Great's supporters' only "defenses" for Mittani the Great:
"Who is your main?"
"Where did you get your psychology degree?"
"Suicidal people deserve to die. Better for the gene-pool."
"10,084"
"First and for most, who is your main, and what does he do?"
"STFU carebears"
"This is happening only because people hate Goons"
These excuses are getting pathetic and do not explain anything about Mittani's misconduct.
Especially since none of those cover the fact that what he's done isn't about the game anymore, it's about a real world situation that can have real consequences. Carebears, mains, goons... they need to learn really quickly that this video game crap means nothing when you start inciting harm to other people IRL. Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png (Source: https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras ) |

Conu Leonida
Ex 24.7 v3
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:24:00 -
[607] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Steelshine wrote:Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with i don,t think the votes Mittens got alts or real accounts matter much now. He lost face ,but the worst part of it CCP and EVE loose face also If the important game media gets hold of this ,they won,t cover a great fanfest but something else This is a game that is proud of gankers. Proud of the harsh world that is Eve. This wont really affect them that much - if anything, the subscriber base will increase as the game is brought under the public eye.
Depends on the "bad rap" actually. Too bad and it might arouse negative sentiments from people that never tried the game.
EVE was already known as a wonderful refuge for players with attitude. Hyping the more cutthroat aspects of the game works well, but it's a thin line CCP has to walk.
It's one thing to hype EVE as a sandbox where you can do as you please including scamming, griefing, suicide-ganking and so on, but it's a different matter for CCP to let in-game anti-social behaviour extend past the game and at one of CCP's official player gatherings at that.
All this hubbub is quite indifferent for me. But, it can get out of proportion if people make it look like CCP is endorsing anti-social behaviour out of the game. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3413
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:25:00 -
[608] - Quote
jade constantine: irrelevant since ever "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1031
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:25:00 -
[609] - Quote
Andski wrote:look at all the angry idiots in this thread lma0
I know...right.
Little bees are angry bees.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:25:00 -
[610] - Quote
Going by The Wis' blog, he seems to be a fairly stable individual. And a decent photographer. Has a terrible Eve setup, though. |
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
193
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:25:00 -
[611] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
So, it's okay to actually attack an actually suicidal person who actually kills himself so long as you weren't 99.99% sure that he was actually suicidal?
Or maybe just because he didn't avoid you so really it's actually HIS FAULT for what you did?
You guys sure come unglued fast when the other side stops being nice, don't you? Sing for me little Goon, sing.
It is absolutely 100% ok to do whatever you please to them in this video game, as long as it lies within the parameters of gameplay set forth by CCP. Their mental condition is in no way your concern, they chose to play the game, this can happen in THIS game, not. your. problem. Don't try to take my words out of context by cleverly leaving out the fact that we're talking about something that happened in a video game. Exactly, they took it out of the game. Thats a, NO GO. The ones defending it are just as bad. Sociopaths.
incorrect again, the only thing that is demonstrably wrong here is that publically encouraging others to grief a specific player is against the EULA.
The "suicidal bawwwww" stuff is just sensationalist nonsense.
You don't hop to the defense every goddamned emo teen threatening to "kill themselvesLOL MY HEART IS DARK" do you?
Same thing.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:25:00 -
[612] - Quote
Has the out of game 'publicity' got to the point where we should be referring to, The Mittani, Eveonline player, in the past tense? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
175
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:25:00 -
[613] - Quote
Luba Cibre wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Mittani the Great's supporters' only "defenses" for Mittani the Great:
"Who is your main?"
"Where did you get your psychology degree?"
"Suicidal people deserve to die. Better for the gene-pool."
"10,084"
"First and for most, who is your main, and what does he do?"
"STFU carebears"
"This is happening only because people hate Goons"
These excuses are getting pathetic and do not explain anything about Mittani's misconduct. It's ~10058~.
They don't get that this is not a joke. They still think this is a troll.
Hell this opens a door for CCP to be sued for liability now in most places. |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:27:00 -
[614] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
So, it's okay to actually attack an actually suicidal person who actually kills himself so long as you weren't 99.99% sure that he was actually suicidal?
Or maybe just because he didn't avoid you so really it's actually HIS FAULT for what you did?
You guys sure come unglued fast when the other side stops being nice, don't you? Sing for me little Goon, sing.
It is absolutely 100% ok to do whatever you please to them in this video game, as long as it lies within the parameters of gameplay set forth by CCP. Their mental condition is in no way your concern, they chose to play the game, this can happen in THIS game, not. your. problem. Don't try to take my words out of context by cleverly leaving out the fact that we're talking about something that happened in a video game.
I suggest you watch the youtube tape again. Are computer graphics really that good? Cause it doesn't really seem to be happening in the game at all.
Sing on, sweet goon, sing for me! |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
178
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:27:00 -
[615] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
So, it's okay to actually attack an actually suicidal person who actually kills himself so long as you weren't 99.99% sure that he was actually suicidal?
Or maybe just because he didn't avoid you so really it's actually HIS FAULT for what you did?
You guys sure come unglued fast when the other side stops being nice, don't you? Sing for me little Goon, sing.
It is absolutely 100% ok to do whatever you please to them in this video game, as long as it lies within the parameters of gameplay set forth by CCP. Their mental condition is in no way your concern, they chose to play the game, this can happen in THIS game, not. your. problem. Don't try to take my words out of context by cleverly leaving out the fact that we're talking about something that happened in a video game. Exactly, they took it out of the game. Thats a, NO GO. The ones defending it are just as bad. Sociopaths. incorrect again, the only thing that is demonstrably wrong here is that publically encouraging others to grief a specific player is against the EULA. The "suicidal bawwwww" stuff is just sensationalist nonsense. You don't hop to the defense every goddamned emo teen threatening to "kill themselvesLOL MY HEART IS DARK" do you? Same thing.
I agree, the game is the game.
They took it out of the game and were calling for an online lynching of a player at the behest of the mittani in a public venue.
Yeah no matter how many votes he got this is bad. |

takedoom
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:27:00 -
[616] - Quote
CCP could not even investigate their way out of a paper bag. http://spinthatdamnship.ytmnd.com/
I am not a thief. I am a treasure hunter. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1257
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:27:00 -
[617] - Quote
Purple Madness wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Purple Madness wrote:This is literally the behavior of a psychopath. And where did you get your psychology degree? Stanford. Thanks for asking.
I would suggest going back for a refresher course. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
16
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:28:00 -
[618] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Has the out of game 'publicity' got to the point where we should be referring to, The Mittani, Eveonline player, in the past tense?
When I say CCP is going to crucify him, I mean he is most likely GONE. Not just kicked from the panel. I mean gone...permabanned. Held out to the wolves in RL with possible lawsuits. |

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
232
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:28:00 -
[619] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Steelshine wrote:Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with i don,t think the votes Mittens got alts or real accounts matter much now. He lost face ,but the worst part of it CCP and EVE loose face also If the important game media gets hold of this ,they won,t cover a great fanfest but something else
^ this. The media won't go for how awesome the future vision of Eve is, they go for the guy who called for a guy's suicide. To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1415
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:28:00 -
[620] - Quote
Andski wrote:jade constantine: irrelevant since ever
Hey I thought you were supposed to type "post with your main"
Get back to the script posting drone!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
474
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:28:00 -
[621] - Quote
I kind of want to see mittens get kicked from the CSM now... not because of anything he did, but just to stir up the hornets nest and watch the rage threads  
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
194
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:28:00 -
[622] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
They don't get that this is not a joke. They still think this is a troll.
Hell this opens a door for CCP to be sued for liability now in most places.
Wrong again, because by playing EVE you accepted the following, BINDING LEGAL AGREEMENT:
"CCP has established Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct. Nonetheless, it is possible that at any time there may be language or other material accessible on or through the System that you may consider inappropriate for children or that may be offensive to some users of any age. You acknowledge that other players may transmit communications or content, or access to content, that you may consider inappropriate or objectionable. CCP does not, as a matter of policy, prescreen the communications or content transmitted by each player and is in no way responsible for the communications and content transmitted by players of the Game. "
bolded and underlined for your convenience. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
322
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:29:00 -
[623] - Quote
Ok, so lets recap:
* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.) * The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else... * Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves * ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"
Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.
What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.
It's an open PVP sandbox game. Deal with it.
I can't wait to see the bitching that's going to come around the start of May when our victory lap starts. You pubbies are going to **** yourselves. |

Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
148
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:29:00 -
[624] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Going by The Wis' blog, he seems to be a fairly stable individual. And a decent photographer. Has a terrible Eve setup, though.
From what I've gathered from his blog he's also a despicable human being who divorced his wife because of her numerous disabilities. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3154
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:29:00 -
[625] - Quote
I will kill myself if mittens is not allowed to walk free of these charges
Continuing this vile internet hate campaign will result in my untimely death and ALL OF YOU BEING SUED FOR A VERY LOT OF MONEY!
Consider yourselves warned Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:29:00 -
[626] - Quote
ILikeMarkets wrote:What part of him saying "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [REMOVED]," do you not seem to understand? Do you understand what cyber-bullying laws entail, including the punishments that come along with them? You don't seem to understand that in the real world there are consequences for your actions, and those consequences can sometimes include legal action.
Oh no you removed his name, I don't think I can recall it now, I mean really this can not stand, I demand you put his name back at once...
on a real note, something funny about IG chats, you have to accept them....it would be a neat number to see from CCP how many chat invites have been sent to [REMOVED], but than again it's probably a very low number and would only defuse this thread. who is your main, and what does he do? |

oldbutfeelingyoung
512
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:29:00 -
[627] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:They went to far with this at the panel.
What they did at the panel was no longer a game anymore.
This is rather sickening actually, I waited to see what it was about cause i missed it and finally got around to looking at it.
This is practically criminal conduct.
There are real people behind the accounts we play.
Advocating pushing someone to kill themselves is freaking evil. The its just s joke line doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
I'm very disappointed in everyone that took part in that panel.
They crossed the line with this. And CCP should be ashamed for it since they hosted this scummy crap. The guy wasnt actually suicidal though, he was just playing the sympathy card. Mocking some butthurt carebear is fine, thats all that happened here. You dont know that. You cant make that claim. They crossed the line that should not be crossed. This is not a game anymore after what they did on that panel. What if I was mining, got ganked, was mocked in local and went out immediatly and hung myself? Every time a gank happens, this could potentially happen. Are you saying every ganker was an evil jerk who was trying to get people to kill themselves? Of course not. This is yet another example of players mocking a carebear who, as far as they can reasonably tell, is not suicidal. This happens on an hourly basis, if not more often. Because no one who is genuinely suicidal plays a computer game, and says 'oh, Im depressed, and suicidal'. Not if they are genuinely suicidal. This guy was just playing the sympathy card, and therefore worthy of being mocked.
not all players are suicidal ,thank you god But talking somebody who could be into it,well you tell me. but it doesn,t matter at all Maybe he did kill himself , i hope not .for the poor guy the fact is Mittens reacted on that person in a wrong way ,recorded live at fanfest as it seems Up to CCP to do damagecontrol pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:30:00 -
[628] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: Sociopaths.
I am proud to play an MMOSpaceRPG where I role play a pathologically lying, unforgiving, evil sociopath.
Feel free to send me an application deposit to my spacedude and I'll make sure you get into Goonswarm Federation. "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. you don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
547
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:30:00 -
[629] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Andski wrote:jade constantine: irrelevant since ever Hey I thought you were supposed to type "post with your main" Get back to the script posting drone!
No, andski is right, you haven't been relevant since ever. Go back to being irrelevant. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3413
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:30:00 -
[630] - Quote
Nuela wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Has the out of game 'publicity' got to the point where we should be referring to, The Mittani, Eveonline player, in the past tense? When I say CCP is going to crucify him, I mean he is most likely GONE. Not just kicked from the panel. I mean gone...permabanned. Held out to the wolves in RL with possible lawsuits.
i wonder how inclined CCP is to **** off 10,058 dudes "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:30:00 -
[631] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:
Because real suicidal people are frequently noted for their powers of discrimination in not putting themselves in harm's way? Oh, wait ...
The argument about PvP games in general is total crap. We're not talking about the consequences of someone losing their ship. we're talking about the consequences of a public call to harass a person. If you look closely you may be able to discern a minor difference.
it's 100% NOT YOUR PROBLEM OR RESPOSIBILITY if someone is suicidal. Not one smidgen, because YOU are not a psychologist, and YOU have no way to determine the veracity of their claims, AT ALL. EVER. However, posting the player's credentials publically and invoking a request to hassle them, THAT is against the EULA, 100%. does that help you? Now get off your moral high horse and apply logic.
You are failing to distinguish a number of distinct elements in the causal nexus and thus embarrassing yourself somewhat by combining such failures with calls for logic.
a) It is not your responsibility if someone is suicidal. - Correct
b) Invoking a request to harrass someone is against the EULA. - Correct.
Now, on to the most important of the relevant points that you fail to consider:
c) How you interact with someone who is suicidal IS your responsibility. - Correct.
d) Consequences following from your chosen course of interaction are partly your responsibility. -Correct.
e) Invoking a request to harass someone who has self-identified as suicidal and whom you are unable to rule out as suicidal may lead to serious consequences for that person. - Correct.
f) Therefore, you will be partly responsible for any consequences that might follow from said call to harass. - Correct
Now, I could go on from there but it will be easier to leave the emphasis on this point: your actions have consequences and you don't get to disavow responsibility simply because your actions interact with some pre-existing conditions. ALL actions interact with pre-existing conditions.
Nor do you get to disavow responsibility on the grounds that 'I wasn't sure' because if you weren't sure then you gambled with the other person's well-being. Claiming that you only have a responsibility to avoid certain actions if you are 100% sure that something bad will happen is the biggest pile of horseshit I have ever heard. Just try running a few thought-experiments on that one will you, and see how they come out. It's better that you work through these basic exercises yourself rather than have your hand held as then the lesson will really stick. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:31:00 -
[632] - Quote
Xython wrote:Ok, so lets recap:
* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.) * The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else... * Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves * ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"
Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.
What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.
It's an open PVP sandbox game. Deal with it.
I can't wait to see the bitching that's going to come around the start of May when our victory lap starts. You pubbies are going to **** yourselves.
You still do not understand the crux of this scandal. I suggest that you read from page 1. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
322
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:31:00 -
[633] - Quote
Kaleb Rysode wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Sociopaths.
I am proud to play an MMOSpaceRPG where I role play a pathologically lying, unforgiving, evil sociopath. Feel free to send me an application deposit to my spacedude and I'll make sure you get into Goonswarm Federation.
I can vouch for Mr. INSERT_GOON_NAME_HERE's e-honor and integrity. I like the cut of his jib. Looking forward to seeing you in goons! |

Villandra Chassind
New Edens United Nation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:31:00 -
[634] - Quote
Andski wrote:Nuela wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Has the out of game 'publicity' got to the point where we should be referring to, The Mittani, Eveonline player, in the past tense? When I say CCP is going to crucify him, I mean he is most likely GONE. Not just kicked from the panel. I mean gone...permabanned. Held out to the wolves in RL with possible lawsuits. i wonder how inclined CCP is to **** off 10,058 dudes
Sweet, so all i have to do is get the backing of 6000 idiots and 4000 "pubbies" and i can do what ever the **** i want? |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1415
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:32:00 -
[635] - Quote
J3ssica Alba wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Steelshine wrote:Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with i don,t think the votes Mittens got alts or real accounts matter much now. He lost face ,but the worst part of it CCP and EVE loose face also If the important game media gets hold of this ,they won,t cover a great fanfest but something else ^ this. The media won't go for how awesome the future vision of Eve is, they go for the guy who called for a guy's suicide.
Thats the annoying thing about this really. Fanfest was really excellent this year - I think most people have a huge buzz about the game going in the right direction again and thats what we should be reading about in the gaming press. Its a shame to see the focus on a bizzare ubernerd voted into office by 10,000 sycophantic internet frat boys because he couldn't hold his beer and acted like a tosspot on stage.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Jags
The Jags Corp
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:32:00 -
[636] - Quote
Dont like Goons , like Mittani , where does that leave me :D
TBH the quick and easy solution , apologies for any offence caused , throw the dude a ton of ISK so he doesnt need to mine ever again. Problem solved, move along nothing else to see here. |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
[637] - Quote
Nuela wrote:Oh wow!
I've been looking at this stuff.
Mittani is screwed. CCP is going to crucify him.
Doubtful.
Here's what might happen. Mittens offers up a token apology, life goes on.
Mittens either steps down from CSM or gets removed. After a period of protest from the Goons in Empire, making thousands of people's game life a nightmare, the goons get a new rep and chair, life goes on.
Other than some mea culpa's I don't see much happening.
For all the Mad Bro's. In this game that basicly encourages bad behavior, I want all of you including to OP to post logs of every time you've been outrageously outraged over bad conduct. I want to be sure that every time you've heard a comment like this in voice coms or in chat directed at anyone that you posted a thread calling for their ban. I want to see your cyberbullying police petitions over every rascist, or homophobic slur uttered on coms. I want signed affidavits attesting the fact that YOU HAVE NEVER SAID A BAD WORD OR ANYTHING THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS INNAPPROPRIATE ON THE INTERNET. |

Dalmont Delantee
The Black Legionnares BLACK-MARK
22
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
[638] - Quote
God I'm not a mittani supporter in anyway, but I really don't care what he says or does in game or out of game as long as he just does well in the CSM.
The depressive will be a depressive until he grows some balls (I was one once so can say this) and if some computer game is going to make him top himself then he really need to step back and get some help |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3413
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
[639] - Quote
Villandra Chassind wrote:Sweet, so all i have to do is get the backing of 6000 idiots and 4000 "pubbies" and i can do what ever the **** i want?
you will never, ever pull it off "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
57
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
[640] - Quote
This attempt at getting him kicked of the CSM is hilarious. |
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OfBalance
Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
[641] - Quote
Eve is so meta~ |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
[642] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:You still do not understand the crux of this scandal. I suggest that you read from page 1.
I understand it perfectly well, you pathetic sockpuppet idiot. Fat lazy pubbies are mad that Mittani got in again, with the BIGGEST MANDATE IN CSM HISTORY and will do anything, anything to try and deflect from that.
I suggest you deal with it, but the carebear crowd has shown time and again that they just can't.
But hey, remember:
EVERYTHING BURNS.
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Villandra Chassind
New Edens United Nation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:34:00 -
[643] - Quote
Andski wrote:Villandra Chassind wrote:Sweet, so all i have to do is get the backing of 6000 idiots and 4000 "pubbies" and i can do what ever the **** i want? you will never, ever pull it off
Well ****, i best go kill myself. |

ViciousCycle
Dark One Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:34:00 -
[644] - Quote
in RL, serious mental issues are not a joke. Making a joke about them is in very serious bad taste, reflecting quite poorly on the common humanity of the so-called joker. Taking actions that intend to provoke someone with serious mental issues into violence, whether self-directed or otherwise, is an actionable offence in many nations.
Fortunately for Mittens, he didn't make that joke, nor does he live in, a number of Middle Eastern or Far Eastern countries. In them, the relatives of the person he is apparently trying to provoke would reply and with deadly RL force.
Only in our oh, so sophisticated, Western culture do we act like such insensitive ingrates.
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Yumi Sagara
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:34:00 -
[645] - Quote
Gossamer DT wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:What part of him saying "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [REMOVED]," do you not seem to understand? Do you understand what cyber-bullying laws entail, including the punishments that come along with them? You don't seem to understand that in the real world there are consequences for your actions, and those consequences can sometimes include legal action. Oh no you removed his name, I don't think I can recall it now, I mean really this can not stand, I demand you put his name back at once... on a real note, something funny about IG chats, you have to accept them....it would be a neat number to see from CCP how many chat invites have been sent to [REMOVED], but than again it's probably a very low number and would only defuse this thread.
If the number is greater than 1 it will not defuse this thread.
The result isn't what people care about, it was the action and intention. Mittens seriously expressed an interest in trying to get a fellow player to kill himself, and instigated actions that would lead to such a result. THAT is what is unacceptable, and THAT is what CCP will be looking into while the playerbase expresses their disdain for such tasteless and pathetic behavior. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
519
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:35:00 -
[646] - Quote
This is the thread that never ends |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
519
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:35:00 -
[647] - Quote
It goes on and on my friends |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:35:00 -
[648] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Mittani the Great's supporters' only "defenses" for Mittani the Great:
"Who is your main?"
"Where did you get your psychology degree?"
"Suicidal people deserve to die. Better for the gene-pool."
"10,084"
"First and for most, who is your main, and what does he do?"
"STFU carebears"
"This is happening only because people hate Goons"
These excuses are getting pathetic and do not explain anything about Mittani's misconduct.
Hey don't be quoting me twice you pathetic list maker!
and maybe you should read the entire thread, your list is very short and missing some of the best stuff, we even had a guy go all out and mock up some art work. who is your main, and what does he do? |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:35:00 -
[649] - Quote
Triskian wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Going by The Wis' blog, he seems to be a fairly stable individual. And a decent photographer. Has a terrible Eve setup, though. From what I've gathered from his blog he's also a despicable human being who divorced his wife because of her numerous disabilities.
This is a good point. IF the rambling speel is correct - and thats a big if - then this so called 'victim' has done far more wrong than what mittens is being accused of. Why isnt there a threadnaught calling for his head?
Because TheWis is not head of GSF probably...
Also, genuinely suicidal people do not advertise their 'bad life story' to people. Ergo this guy was not genuinely suicidal, but was invoking the sympathy card - which is offensive to actually depressed people. Frankly, the more you look into it, TheWis was a truly awful person... |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
519
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:35:00 -
[650] - Quote
Some people started posting, not knowing what it was |
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
519
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:35:00 -
[651] - Quote
But they'll continue posting it forever just because this is the thread that never ends |

Yumi Sagara
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
[652] - Quote
Klown Walk wrote:This attempt at getting him kicked of the CSM is hilarious.
If CCP wants to represented by these kinds of actions, more power to them. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
[653] - Quote
Karadan Kaarwen wrote:So let me get this straight. An Eve playing douche bag full of internet machismo is unable to distinguish the line between a game and reality, and says some really stupid stuff in the heat of the moment. Internet machismo guy is then unable to backtrack lest look weak in front of his equally ridiculous peers, so does the courageous thing by playing it up as 'nothing special'. Cue hordes of sycophants trying their level-best to defend said douche bag's actions using astonishing idiocy as their reasoning tool.
Why am i not surprised?
I have the feeling public attention over this will force CCP's hand and we won't see Mittani in CSM for much longer. That, or CCP actually want another enormous public relations disaster on their hands.
More or less. They still dont see how freaking serious this is and that it went too far.
Instead of apologizing like he should have mittens decided to dig a deeper hole on this issue.
Dude, mittens, you are wrong in this. Very wrong. |

Villandra Chassind
New Edens United Nation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
[654] - Quote
nope |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
[655] - Quote
Xython wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:You still do not understand the crux of this scandal. I suggest that you read from page 1. I understand it perfectly well, you pathetic sockpuppet idiot. Fat lazy pubbies are mad that Mittani got in again, with the BIGGEST MANDATE IN CSM HISTORY and will do anything, anything to try and deflect from that. I suggest you deal with it, but the carebear crowd has shown time and again that they just can't. But hey, remember: EVERYTHING BURNS.
Ummm.... no.
I suggest that you read from page 1. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
330
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
[656] - Quote
ViciousCycle wrote:Only in our oh, so sophisticated, Western culture do we act like such insensitive ingrates.
This just in: Goons are Sophisticated, Insensitive Ingrates.
TOTALLY OK WITH THIS |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
[657] - Quote
If CCP bow to media (and pubbie) pressure, they should prepare for mass unsubs, |

Droodid
Antec Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
[658] - Quote
Why the **** is there 32 pages of this? Why do you people care so much about what happened at what is essentially just a massive party?
Everyone calling for The Mittani to resign or be kicked off the CSM need to take a massive chill pill and get on with their lives. |

Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1071
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:37:00 -
[659] - Quote
Repeat for every whiners convenience:
If the suicidal character feels that he/she has been harassed, he/she should file a petition to CCP.
This is nothing what we should be doing for him in these forums. We do not know anything about the individual and this all could turn out to be hoax. People have rights but it is not other man's work to try and enforce them. If this guy wants something, let him decide about his own actions and stop being silly drama queens
Get |

Conu Leonida
Ex 24.7 v3
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:37:00 -
[660] - Quote
J3ssica Alba wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Steelshine wrote:Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with i don,t think the votes Mittens got alts or real accounts matter much now. He lost face ,but the worst part of it CCP and EVE loose face also If the important game media gets hold of this ,they won,t cover a great fanfest but something else ^ this. The media won't go for how awesome the future vision of Eve is, they go for the guy who called for a guy's suicide.
Precisely. Media and other trolls that dislike EVE will go for this like sharks following a blood trail.
No matter that this is an isolated case and that there's a whole plethora of other theme-park MMOs where worse things have happened.
Things like player going undercover, gaining ranks in rival corp and ransacking said corp's wallet and assets is one thing and goes hand in hand with blockbuster movies where the hero gets the girls and/or hits jackpot at the end (aka happyend). Guy taking it out on other players in real life and encouraging cyber-bullying, not so much. |
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joe hamil
LightWorker Inc The Luminae Foothold
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:37:00 -
[661] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
They don't get that this is not a joke. They still think this is a troll.
Hell this opens a door for CCP to be sued for liability now in most places.
Wrong again, because by playing EVE you accepted the following, BINDING LEGAL AGREEMENT: "CCP has established Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct. Nonetheless, it is possible that at any time there may be language or other material accessibl e on or through the System that you may consider inappropriate for children or that may be offensive to some users of any age. You acknowledge that other players may transmit communications or content, or access to content, that you may consider inappropriate or objectionable. CCP does not, as a matter of policy, prescreen the communications or content transmitted by each player and is in no way responsible for the communications and content transmitted by players of the Game. " bolded and underlined for your convenience.
but then again wouldnt this part of the rules and guidelines come into effect,
whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms. CCP representatives may monitor communications made by or received from you. You should not provide private information to any other player in the Game. CCP shall not be responsible for the consequences of any such disclosure by you. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
330
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:38:00 -
[662] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Ummm.... no.
I suggest that you read from page 1.
But I'm having so much more FUN down here! |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
252
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:38:00 -
[663] - Quote
goon |

Prince Kobol
326
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:38:00 -
[664] - Quote
Xython wrote:Ok, so lets recap:
* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.) * The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else... * Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves * ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"
Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.
What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.
All of what you have posted is fine.
The problem is that as soon as the The Mittani stood up whilst being film at an official CCP Event, mocked and humiliated a person who possibly could been suicidal and then encourage others to do the same, the **** was always going to hit the fan.
When CCP, their Partners and Investor's are seeing headlines like
"CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player" - eurogamer.net
"Eve Online Panel Encourages Harassing Suicidal Player" - The Escapist
"CCP investigation into 'suicidal player jokes'" - Developer
"CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" - Massively
Then then it becomes an issue outside of Eve Online. |

Jonah Gravenstein
58
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:39:00 -
[665] - Quote
What he does in game is fine, spying, ganking, invasions and generally pissing off everybody else etc; are all accepted game play and a major part of the meta game and tbh I love reading about Goons and others antics in game. As has been pointed out the in game game shenanigans make for really good press and free advertising.
Pulling the same tricks in a public forum takes the meta game to a whole new level and in my eyes is borderline unacceptable, bullying in game is normal, doing it irl is socially unacceptable & bad taste, theoretically if real consequences were to occur, mittens could be hip deep in crap.
I ain't defending, I ain't condemning, but what seems to be funny when you're shitfaced isn't always funny a week later when it bites you in the arse.
Depression isn't something to be laughed at, I used to find it amusing, I've since been through it, it's not War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:39:00 -
[666] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Repeat for every whiners convenience:
If the suicidal character feels that he/she has been harassed, he/she should file a petition to CCP.
This is nothing what we should be doing for him in these forums. We do not know anything about the individual and this all could turn out to be hoax. People have rights but it is not other man's work to try and enforce them. If this guy wants something, let him decide about his own actions and stop being silly drama queens
Hoax or not, this is a precedent setting moment.
Even if it was a hoax the implication of wanting to push a living person to their death is freaking sick and mental and evil. Almost as bad as defending and being a apologist for such actions is.
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Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
60
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:39:00 -
[667] - Quote
Wow, all the whining and white knighting this thread leads me to believe that goons are incredibly thin-skinned. Rather ironic. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:40:00 -
[668] - Quote
joe hamil wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
They don't get that this is not a joke. They still think this is a troll.
Hell this opens a door for CCP to be sued for liability now in most places.
Wrong again, because by playing EVE you accepted the following, BINDING LEGAL AGREEMENT: "CCP has established Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct. Nonetheless, it is possible that at any time there may be language or other material accessibl e on or through the System that you may consider inappropriate for children or that may be offensive to some users of any age. You acknowledge that other players may transmit communications or content, or access to content, that you may consider inappropriate or objectionable. CCP does not, as a matter of policy, prescreen the communications or content transmitted by each player and is in no way responsible for the communications and content transmitted by players of the Game. " bolded and underlined for your convenience. but then again wouldnt this part of the rules and guidelines come into effect, whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms. CCP representatives may monitor communications made by or received from you. You should not provide private information to any other player in the Game. CCP shall not be responsible for the consequences of any such disclosure by you.
Exactly, CCP are not responsible, so why should they care?
Give it a few days, the forum crusaders will have gotten bored, and no one will care about this whole issue.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1257
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:40:00 -
[669] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Aileren wrote:So, actually looking the guy up on the net, by what I can gather, he doesn't seem to be terribly suicidal. And he really likes **** jokes. Totally irrelevant now. When your product is getting headlines like "CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" that is bad no matter how you swing it
Actually it makes CCP look responsible, since they are launching an investigation into it.
Frankly, whether the panel members look respectable or not is a bit silly considering they were drunk out of their minds and busily mocking anyone and everyone not in their respective alliances.
The panel wasn't there to look respectable, to represent anyone but their own groups of players, or worry about the emotional state of anyone else.
They were there to look like they were having fun at Fanfest and to show how their alliances had fun in game.
Mission accomplished. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:40:00 -
[670] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
They don't get that this is not a joke. They still think this is a troll.
Hell this opens a door for CCP to be sued for liability now in most places.
Wrong again, because by playing EVE you accepted the following, BINDING LEGAL AGREEMENT: "CCP has established Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct. Nonetheless, it is possible that at any time there may be language or other material accessibl e on or through the System that you may consider inappropriate for children or that may be offensive to some users of any age. You acknowledge that other players may transmit communications or content, or access to content, that you may consider inappropriate or objectionable. CCP does not, as a matter of policy, prescreen the communications or content transmitted by each player and is in no way responsible for the communications and content transmitted by players of the Game. " bolded and underlined for your convenience.
You do realise the part you underlined refers to the communications and content transmitted by players of the Game, yet it in thise case it was transmitted by CCP on an official Eve TV live stream not some random rantings on a player youtube video.
To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3413
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:40:00 -
[671] - Quote
joe hamil wrote:You should not provide private information to any other player in the Game. CCP shall not be responsible for the consequences of any such disclosure by you.
Your in-game name is not private information. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
124
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:40:00 -
[672] - Quote
This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. |

Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:41:00 -
[673] - Quote
If every eve online player committed suicide the world would be a better place so I don't see how he said anything wrong. |

Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
30
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:41:00 -
[674] - Quote
Imagine the outrage if someone dared suggest that former csm goon in a wheelchair was put out of his misery! Same thing imo and should be punished to the full extent of the law. |

Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:41:00 -
[675] - Quote
If this is true he should be removed from his position.
Though he is a Goon and this type of behavior is hardly surprising it's also hardly acceptable in any means. This type of mentality hardly represents the player base and is more bad PR for CCP to allow it. |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
195
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:41:00 -
[676] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote: c) How you interact with someone who is suicidal IS your responsibility. - Correct.
Wrong, because you have no way to determine if this is true or not. Logical failing on your behalf.
Quote:
d) Consequences following from your chosen course of interaction are partly your responsibility. -Correct.
Incorrect, real life actions someone might make as a result of something you do in a video game are not your responsibility, however actions following from his public denouncement, with name, of said player might be.
Quote: e) Invoking a request to harass someone who has self-identified as suicidal and whom you are unable to rule out as suicidal may lead to serious consequences for that person. - Correct.
Incorrect, by your logic I could state that your counter argument makes me suicidally depressed (and your stupidity is making me get awfully close to that) and you should never reply to me again because it depresses me.
Quote: f) Therefore, you will be partly responsible for any consequences that might follow from said call to harass. - Correct
I can partly agree there.
Quote: Now, I could go on from there but it will be easier to leave the emphasis on this point: your actions have consequences and you don't get to disavow responsibility simply because your actions interact with some pre-existing conditions. ALL actions interact with pre-existing conditions.
Nor do you get to disavow responsibility on the grounds that 'I wasn't sure' because if you weren't sure then you gambled with the other person's well-being. Claiming that you only have a responsibility to avoid certain actions if you are 100% sure that something bad will happen is the biggest pile of horseshit I have ever heard. Just try running a few thought-experiments on that one will you, and see how they come out. It's better that you work through these basic exercises yourself rather than have your hand held as then the lesson will really stick.
YOU are making it MY responsibility to deal with people I DO NOT know in specific ways, based on a quantification OF THEIR STATE, which I am UNABLE to make, because I am not qualified to do so.
Your logic is weak, you should K-
...
I mean, make spaghetti for yourself yes, that's what i was going to say. |

Steve Celeste
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
251
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:41:00 -
[677] - Quote
All those thousands of buddy invite alts created for NOTHING.
Brilliant. |

stoicfaux
814
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:41:00 -
[678] - Quote
Aileren wrote: Doubtful.
Here's what might happen. Mittens offers up a token apology, life goes on.
Mittens either steps down from CSM or gets removed. After a period of protest from the Goons in Empire, making thousands of people's game life a nightmare, the goons get a new rep and chair, life goes on.
Other than some mea culpa's I don't see much happening.
Meh, I have to go with Nuela's post on this one, CCP's lawyers might have the final say.
OTOH, if the 'victim' and Mittani have a beer summit with an apology given and accepted publicly, then it might blow over.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
330
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:41:00 -
[679] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Xython wrote:Ok, so lets recap:
* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.) * The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else... * Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves * ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"
Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.
What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.
All of what you have posted is fine. The problem is that as soon as the The Mittani stood up whilst being film at an official CCP Event, mocked and humiliated a person who possibly could been suicidal and then encourage others to do the same, the **** was always going to hit the fan. When CCP, their Partners and Investor's are seeing headlines like "CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player" - eurogamer.net "Eve Online Panel Encourages Harassing Suicidal Player" - The Escapist "CCP investigation into 'suicidal player jokes'" Developer "CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" - Massively Then then it becomes an issue outside of Eve Online.
Just like how CCP force reverted the BOB disbanding (remember: CCP had alts in BOB) and restore the tens of thousands of dollars in real money that was stolen during the Great Heist.
Oh wait, they didn't? Turns out it's just a bunch of butthurt pubbies going absolutely batshit because Mittani got THE BIGGEST MANDATE IN CSM HISTORY?
COLOR ME SHOCKED.
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OfBalance
Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:42:00 -
[680] - Quote
Xython wrote:ViciousCycle wrote:Only in our oh, so sophisticated, Western culture do we act like such insensitive ingrates. This just in: Goons are Sophisticated, Insensitive Ingrates. TOTALLY OK WITH THIS
"I don't break character till I record the DVD Commentary!" |
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Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:42:00 -
[681] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:It goes on and on my friends
Some people started posting in it not knowing what it was "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. you don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
329
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:42:00 -
[682] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse.
Can I have your stuff? |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:43:00 -
[683] - Quote
CCP should say **** YOU to the media. No laws have been broken, we're making the majority of our player base happy and that's all that matters.
Some might say that's immoral, I say business is amoral and that eve makes no qualms about being a harsh game, no-one is going to hold your hand, you have to earn your place, just like everyone else.
"Welcome to Eve... Deal with it" |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
547
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:43:00 -
[684] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Xython wrote:Ok, so lets recap:
* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.) * The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else... * Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves * ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"
Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.
What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.
All of what you have posted is fine. The problem is that as soon as the The Mittani stood up whilst being film at an official CCP Event, mocked and humiliated a person who possibly could been suicidal and then encourage others to do the same, the **** was always going to hit the fan. When CCP, their Partners and Investor's are seeing headlines like " CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player" - eurogamer.net " Eve Online Panel Encourages Harassing Suicidal Player" - The Escapist " CCP investigation into 'suicidal player jokes'" - Developer " CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" - Massively Then then it becomes an issue outside of Eve Online.
Not really. That is just that these sites post sensationalist crap without any investigating into the matter.
If anything, CCP should act against these sites for spreading lies when the guy that Mittani mocked apparently isn't suicidal. Much less depressed.
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:43:00 -
[685] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: I agree, the game is the game.
They took it out of the game and were calling for an online lynching of a player at the behest of the mittani in a public venue.
Yeah no matter how many votes he got this is bad.
How do you take something out of game when all you have is an in game name? clearly you people are grabbing at out of game straws..... who is your main, and what does he do? |

GodsVervloek
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:43:00 -
[686] - Quote
Trying to convince someone to commit suicide is criminal. In most countries The Mittani would be charged with the following (if the person in question actually commited suicide):
Aiding and abetting, accessory before the fact, and if they wanted to push it, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, or homicide.
What you would be doing is advocating someone to take their own life which is homicide.
And this irresponsible 'child' is the head of our new CSM?
Arroggant, loudmouth p***k! |

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:43:00 -
[687] - Quote
And they'll continue posting in it forever just because, "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. you don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:44:00 -
[688] - Quote
Also This (pretty much): Linkage |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
119
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:45:00 -
[689] - Quote
Karadion wrote:B) The Mittani did not sign the EULA nor did he sign the TOS for Eve Online when he attended Fanfest. The two are mutually exclusive.
Why are you talking about the Mittani now like it's a 3rd person? Role playing? |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
334
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:45:00 -
[690] - Quote
GodsVervloek wrote:Trying to convince someone to commit suicide is criminal. In most countries The Mittani would be charged with the following (if the person in question actually commited suicide):
Aiding and abetting, accessory before the fact, and if they wanted to push it, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, or homicide.
What you would be doing is advocating someone to take their own life which is homicide.
And this irresponsible 'child' is the head of our new CSM?
Arroggant, loudmouth p***k!
Are you a lawyer?
No?
Shut the **** up. |
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Di Mulle
45
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:45:00 -
[691] - Quote
Nuela wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Has the out of game 'publicity' got to the point where we should be referring to, The Mittani, Eveonline player, in the past tense? When I say CCP is going to crucify him, I mean he is most likely GONE. Not just kicked from the panel. I mean gone...permabanned. Held out to the wolves in RL with possible lawsuits.
I don't know about the lawsuits, maybe it is going too far. But what matters now first, is publicity. Mittens probably may - and be advised to by CCP - to make some apologies and damage control, but for the outside world it probably means nothing and too late already. And inside the EVE that will get him nothing.
Go "mea culpa" and lose huge chunk of the image. Part of forums will burst in a joy, and Mittens probably will be muted to respond with his usual lines, thus losing even more machismo in the eyes of most avid bees. And that world is harsh. Sooner or later he will discover himself the mittens only.
Or refuse to help CCP in a damage control and become the Saint Martyr of Goons and hero on SA. But probably no The Mittani at all then.
Hard choice. CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:45:00 -
[692] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. Can I have your stuff? |

Darius Shakor
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
19
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:45:00 -
[693] - Quote
Adding support for this call.
Bottom line, if he was encouraging people to spam anyone for any reason of harassment here on the forums he would be banned under the rules of terms of service.
He is not a good public rep for the game or community and this simply proves it.
So have one shred of decency and credibility and step down. Or CCP should show some standards and drop you from the CSM.
Feel free now to post your token troll response where you tell me you don;t care what I think because it is all internets and 'not real' now. I really don't care Mittless. But respect is not only earned (which you never have earned from me yet) but it has to be damn well maintained as well. |

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
103
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:45:00 -
[694] - Quote
There is no facepalm big enough for this topic. |

Vaarkk
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:45:00 -
[695] - Quote
All these ******* pubbies are just mad their freighters will be getting destroyed during the Jita rapefest within a few weeks. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
334
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:46:00 -
[696] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. Can I have your stuff?
Goddamnit, I called dibs! |

Xolani1990
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
75
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:46:00 -
[697] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:other players to partake in a possible suicide
Other people don't partake in it. That's kind of the point of suicide. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1418
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:46:00 -
[698] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Xython wrote:Ok, so lets recap:
* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.) * The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else... * Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves * ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"
Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.
What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.
All of what you have posted is fine. The problem is that as soon as the The Mittani stood up whilst being film at an official CCP Event, mocked and humiliated a person who possibly could been suicidal and then encourage others to do the same, the **** was always going to hit the fan. When CCP, their Partners and Investor's are seeing headlines like " CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player" - eurogamer.net " Eve Online Panel Encourages Harassing Suicidal Player" - The Escapist " CCP investigation into 'suicidal player jokes'" - Developer " CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" - Massively Then then it becomes an issue outside of Eve Online. Not really. That is just that these sites post sensationalist crap without any investigating into the matter. If anything, CCP should act against these sites for spreading lies when the guy that Mittani mocked apparently isn't suicidal. Much less depressed.
Yeah they should probably muster the international e-lawyers and have those sites SHUT THE HELL DOWN because in criticising the Mittani they obviously hate america (and democracy) ((and too much beer))
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:46:00 -
[699] - Quote
GodsVervloek wrote:Trying to convince someone to commit suicide is criminal. In most countries The Mittani would be charged with the following (if the person in question actually commited suicide):
Aiding and abetting, accessory before the fact, and if they wanted to push it, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, or homicide.
What you would be doing is advocating someone to take their own life which is homicide.
And this irresponsible 'child' is the head of our new CSM?
Arroggant, loudmouth p***k!
Yes, but you'd have to prove actual malice. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
512
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:46:00 -
[700] - Quote
Klown Walk wrote:This attempt at getting him kicked of the CSM is hilarious.
i don,t want him kicked from the csm or whatever he is chairman ,if done by metagaming , i don,t care but also don,t want to know what happens if this escalates to other gaming sites
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
334
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:46:00 -
[701] - Quote
JamesCLK wrote:There is no facepalm big enough for this topic.
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Livini Naship
Eve Ryuken Spacelane Consortium
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:47:00 -
[702] - Quote
Grey Stormshadow wrote:Repeat for every whiners convenience:
If the suicidal character feels that he/she has been harassed, he/she should file a petition to CCP.
This is nothing what we should be doing for him in these forums. We do not know anything about the individual and this all could turn out to be hoax. People have rights but it is not other man's work to try and enforce them. If this guy wants something, let him decide about his own actions and stop being silly drama queens
and again: its not about the guy that wrote something ingame. its about this livestream presented by CCP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE&list=HL1332571817&feature=mh_lolz |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3415
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:47:00 -
[703] - Quote
Di Mulle wrote:Or refuse to help CCP in a damage control and become a the Saint Martyr of Goons and hero on SA. But probably no The Mittani at all then.
most of SA would white-knight that wis guy "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:47:00 -
[704] - Quote
Aileren wrote:Nuela wrote:Oh wow!
I've been looking at this stuff.
Mittani is screwed. CCP is going to crucify him. Doubtful. Here's what might happen. Mittens offers up a token apology, life goes on. Mittens either steps down from CSM or gets removed. After a period of protest from the Goons in Empire, making thousands of people's game life a nightmare, the goons get a new rep and chair, life goes on. Other than some mea culpa's I don't see much happening.
I hope you are right. I am not a Mittani fan and I have teased the Goons in the past but I actually like having them around. They make things interesting and different and that is always a good thing IMO.
However, this is hitting right into a possible forming Witch-hunt in the USA. There have been several high profile cases recently and the boomstick has hit hard on the people who behaved like the Mittani did.
Mittani could really be in some trouble. I say that without any Eve RPG or anything...but as a Rl person.
I encourage the Mittani to step back and consider and act to protect himself. An Apology is a start. I don't want to see peoples' lives ruined over a game FFS. |

IntegralHellsing
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
60
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:47:00 -
[705] - Quote
Internet spaceship game is serious business. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
249
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:47:00 -
[706] - Quote
**** yeah, then Snot Shot can smug about Jita undock more than normal~ |

Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:47:00 -
[707] - Quote
Xython wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. Can I have your stuff? Goddamnit, I called dibs!
You're a goon, no one likes you. I get his stuff. |

Sorana Anzomi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:48:00 -
[708] - Quote
In support of the OP I will make everything possible to spread the facts about this subject to as many people as possible until Alexander Gianturco aka "The Mittani" is dismissed from CSM and until all his EVE Online accounts banned for EULA and TOS violation.
Maybe the new marketing director with CCP will say bad publicity is still free publicity. Well, we'll see about that. I wonder what your partners Sony and Nvidia will have to say about this after they will receive also hundreds of questions about this. I have sent all the information I could gather on the subject to the following:
3Ts (Turn the Tide of Suicide) - Irish charity http://www.3ts.ie/about.htm Samaritans - UK charity http://www.samaritans.org/ PAPYRUS - UK Charity http://www.papyrus-uk.org/ helpguide.org www.mind.org.uk www.rethink.org www.life.org.nz www.paulstaffordfoundation.com www.guardian.co.uk
These are only some of the greatest supporters of the people having suicidal problems. If you, CCP dont want to listen to us, maybe you will listen to them. So I suggest instead of poor excuses like you are "investigating", "reviewing", "monitoring".... CCP, act now! |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:48:00 -
[709] - Quote
joe hamil wrote:but then again wouldnt this part of the rules and guidelines come into effect,
whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms. CCP representatives may monitor communications made by or received from you. You should not provide private information to any other player in the Game. CCP shall not be responsible for the consequences of any such disclosure by you.
LOL private information...yea no your in game name is not private, it's plastered every where, on kill mails, in this forum on a stie called evewho.com.
So yea before you get all exicted about private information, lets understand what is considered private emm k? who is your main, and what does he do? |

OfBalance
Caldari State
249
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:48:00 -
[710] - Quote
Andski wrote:most of SA would white-knight that wis guy
Not empty quoting. |
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Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:48:00 -
[711] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:B) The Mittani did not sign the EULA nor did he sign the TOS for Eve Online when he attended Fanfest. The two are mutually exclusive.
Why are you talking about the Mittani now like it's a 3rd person? Role playing?
Because his char name is "The Mittani" durhdurhduuurrr
MY CEO~ |

Shandir
Ferocious Felines
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:49:00 -
[712] - Quote
I would say that an apology would be sufficient, except that we all know that he would post the same apology with sarcastic commentary on other public/semi-public sites, and it would be a seriously insincere apology. I don't think an apology would have any meaning from The Mittani here. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
75
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:49:00 -
[713] - Quote
Xython wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. Can I have your stuff? Goddamnit, I called dibs! Indeed you did, I didnt see your post, his stuff is yours. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3155
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:50:00 -
[714] - Quote
I'm suicidal because I say I am. If anyone says anything bad about me they should immediately be banned. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
334
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:50:00 -
[715] - Quote
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Xython wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. Can I have your stuff? Goddamnit, I called dibs! You're a goon, no one likes you. I get his stuff.
Well, I would normally disagree, but we intentionally role play assholes, so I can't argue with that point.
Plus your name + personal corp name is kinda neato, so... Yeah, I vote Wuxi Wuxi Woowoo gets Kaivar's stuff. Any objections? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3155
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:50:00 -
[716] - Quote
This applies retrospectively btw, so you're in trouble MatrixSkyeII Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

oldbutfeelingyoung
512
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:50:00 -
[717] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Alpheias wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Xython wrote:Ok, so lets recap:
* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.) * The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else... * Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves * ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"
Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.
What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.
All of what you have posted is fine. The problem is that as soon as the The Mittani stood up whilst being film at an official CCP Event, mocked and humiliated a person who possibly could been suicidal and then encourage others to do the same, the **** was always going to hit the fan. When CCP, their Partners and Investor's are seeing headlines like " CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player" - eurogamer.net " Eve Online Panel Encourages Harassing Suicidal Player" - The Escapist " CCP investigation into 'suicidal player jokes'" - Developer " CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" - Massively Then then it becomes an issue outside of Eve Online. Not really. That is just that these sites post sensationalist crap without any investigating into the matter. If anything, CCP should act against these sites for spreading lies when the guy that Mittani mocked apparently isn't suicidal. Much less depressed. Yeah they should probably muster the international e-lawyers and have those sites SHUT THE HELL DOWN because in criticising the Mittani they obviously hate america (and democracy) ((and too much beer))
so the problem was too much beer? so i am oke with that. lets wait and see if anybody else outside this commumity is also ok with it pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1418
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:51:00 -
[718] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:I'm suicidal because I say I am. If anyone says anything bad about me they should immediately be banned.
G¥ñG¥ñG¥ñ would you like a hug ? G¥ñG¥ñG¥ñ
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Jim Luc
Rule of Five
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:51:00 -
[719] - Quote
GodsVervloek wrote:Trying to convince someone to commit suicide is criminal. In most countries The Mittani would be charged with the following (if the person in question actually commited suicide):
Aiding and abetting, accessory before the fact, and if they wanted to push it, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, or homicide.
What you would be doing is advocating someone to take their own life which is homicide.
And this irresponsible 'child' is the head of our new CSM?
Arroggant, loudmouth p***k!
Most countries are run by morons who feel the need to run everyone's private lives, where personal responsibility is never taken into account. It's ridiculous to think that this drunken trolling will lead someone to take their own life. The only person deserving blame here is the moron who sent that tear-filled pity letter, using terms like "suicide" to evoke a sympathetic response.
Obviously it requires ridicule. I've been ridiculed in a much more demeaning manor for not fitting my ship correctly....
The ONLY reason the videogame press has picked up on this is because of CCP's lame response to it... It's not hard to "investigate" a recorded panel discussion, and write a quick press release limiting exposure and yet taking action putting this issue to rest. All they've done is make the issue bigger than it should be.
|

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:51:00 -
[720] - Quote
Everyone should just calm down |
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Rindon Callsar
Viziam Amarr Empire
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:52:00 -
[721] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:I would like to call for the resignation of GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ in regards to his complete misconduct during the Fanfest 2012 Alliance Panel. Per CSM Representative Conduct article of the Council of Stellar Management, all active CSMs are bound to abide by EULA and TOS and are subject to immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion regardless of infraction. As the representative of the best of the EVE players, more stringent stance is given as they are GÇ£expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.GÇ¥ For those who are unfamiliar with The MittaniGÇÖs misconduct, please refer to the link where he knowingly encouraged thousands of potential Fanfest viewers to send mails to an EVE player who has exhibited a history of mental instability, to provoke him to commit suicide. CSMs are elected to exhibit the best of their behaviors, may it be in drinking, partying, or playing EVE, but knowingly encouraging other players to take part in a possible suicide of a player in front of thousands of EVE and non-EVE audiences crosses boundaries. When asked to answer for his misconduct, he only gave a nonchalant answer. He should have been begging on his knees, apologizing for his childish behavior. If a no-name player like me incites thousands of EVE Online players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide, I would have been banned by CCP without question. By the tone of his postings, he is completely unapologetic of his misconduct. Is it ok that because he's the head of CSM, that he can do whatever he wants? For the future of the CSM, please consider the dismissal of The Mittani from CSM. EDIT #1Great job, Mittani the Great. It seems like on the first week of your CSM chairmanship, you are able to garner a distinguished recognition from gaming website. Fantastic job. You make all of us look like idiots. EDIT #2Yes! Another media coverage thanks to Mittani the Great! Keep up the excellent work. EDIT #3Mittani the Great, you really know how to bring media coverage to our beloved game. A+ for your outstanding CSM Chairmanship. More media coverage! EDIT #4People say third time is the charm. Fourth media coverage? I am not sure. EDIT #5Let it rain. Another more thorough media coverage of Mittani the Great's awesomeness. EDIT #6This is certainly a HUGE NEWS now that MASSIVELY is involved. Refer to the following media coverage for in-depth report.
The only reason this is getting press coverage is because of dipshits like you who make a big stink about it. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
58
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:52:00 -
[722] - Quote
Sorana Anzomi wrote:In support of the OP I will make everything possible to spread the facts about this subject to as many people as possible until Alexander Gianturco aka "The Mittani" is dismissed from CSM and until all his EVE Online accounts banned for EULA and TOS violation. Maybe the new marketing director with CCP will say bad publicity is still free publicity. Well, we'll see about that. I wonder what your partners Sony and Nvidia will have to say about this after they will receive also hundreds of questions about this.  I have sent all the information I could gather on the subject to the following: 3Ts (Turn the Tide of Suicide) - Irish charity http://www.3ts.ie/about.htmSamaritans - UK charity http://www.samaritans.org/PAPYRUS - UK Charity http://www.papyrus-uk.org/helpguide.org www.mind.org.ukwww.rethink.orgwww.life.org.nzwww.paulstaffordfoundation.comwww.guardian.co.ukThese are only some of the greatest supporters of the people having suicidal problems. If you, CCP dont want to listen to us, maybe you will listen to them. So I suggest instead of poor excuses like you are "investigating", "reviewing", "monitoring".... CCP, act now!
Oh shut up. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2283
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:52:00 -
[723] - Quote
Sorana Anzomi wrote:In support of the OP I will make everything possible to spread the facts about this subject to as many people as possible until Alexander Gianturco aka "The Mittani" is dismissed from CSM and until all his EVE Online accounts banned for EULA and TOS violation. Maybe the new marketing director with CCP will say bad publicity is still free publicity. Well, we'll see about that. I wonder what your partners Sony and Nvidia will have to say about this after they will receive also hundreds of questions about this.  I have sent all the information I could gather on the subject to the following: 3Ts (Turn the Tide of Suicide) - Irish charity http://www.3ts.ie/about.htmSamaritans - UK charity http://www.samaritans.org/PAPYRUS - UK Charity http://www.papyrus-uk.org/helpguide.org www.mind.org.ukwww.rethink.orgwww.life.org.nzwww.paulstaffordfoundation.comwww.guardian.co.ukThese are only some of the greatest supporters of the people having suicidal problems. If you, CCP dont want to listen to us, maybe you will listen to them. So I suggest instead of poor excuses like you are "investigating", "reviewing", "monitoring".... CCP, act now!
Thanks for all the free publicity, NPC corp alt #85737393
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
75
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:52:00 -
[724] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:I'm suicidal because I say I am. If anyone says anything bad about me they should immediately be banned. I hope you kill yourself and cleanse the gene pool of your suicidal filth. In fact, all you forum alts and trolls, all you lurkers, you should all spam Malcanis until he kills himself, it would be pretty hench.
Right, so when do I go to prison? |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
334
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:53:00 -
[725] - Quote
Shandir wrote:I would say that an apology would be sufficient, except that we all know that he would post the same apology with sarcastic commentary on other public/semi-public sites, and it would be a seriously insincere apology. I don't think an apology would have any meaning from The Mittani here.
Mocking an attentionwhore is nothing that needs an apology.
What we will probably get is that he'll point out he was mocking a person who was breaking the EULA by running over twenty ******* bots at the same time attempting to play the guilt card on him and that he certainly does not wish for any player to kill themselves (Because dead players can't be sold nonexistent Titans).
|

oldbutfeelingyoung
512
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:53:00 -
[726] - Quote
Wirbin wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:B) The Mittani did not sign the EULA nor did he sign the TOS for Eve Online when he attended Fanfest. The two are mutually exclusive.
Why are you talking about the Mittani now like it's a 3rd person? Role playing? Because his char name is "The Mittani" durhdurhduuurrr MY CEO~
the way i see it ,you are doing him more harm now then any Goonhater ever could have done pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

OfBalance
Caldari State
249
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:53:00 -
[727] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Malcanis wrote:I'm suicidal because I say I am. If anyone says anything bad about me they should immediately be banned. I hope you kill yourself and cleanse the gene pool of your suicidal filth. In fact, all you forum alts and trolls, all you lurkers, you should all spam Malcanis until he kills himself, it would be pretty hench. Right, so when do I go to prison?
Git'mo. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3415
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:53:00 -
[728] - Quote
I move that Sorana Anzomi is permanently banned from EVE Online for being a massive baby over seeing his titan nerfed "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Khamarr Shardani
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:54:00 -
[729] - Quote
lol
People still can't accept that encouraging someone to commit suicide is a criminal offense....I hope to God Mittani has a good lawyer.
|

Kasha Belle
On your Left you will See Mars
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:54:00 -
[730] - Quote
Any actual link to the offending video??
Context is everything. |
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thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:55:00 -
[731] - Quote
yeah i agree with a previous poster- cant find it- but ccp might ban him. Dont know about the lawsuit part though. I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal.. |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
124
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:55:00 -
[732] - Quote
Xython wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. Can I have your stuff?
What makes you think I'm going to login to the game again? Eve is finished as far as I'm concerned. I'm only here because bullying and suicide is a serious issue and CCP needs to address it. |

Rebecca Aventine
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:55:00 -
[733] - Quote
It's unfortunate, because otherwise he's done good things for EVE.
Well it's in CCP's hands now. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
337
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:55:00 -
[734] - Quote
I think we need to discuss the other serious misconduct that Mittani performed during Fanfest.
He got his Wizard Hat.
Where the **** is his robe?
It's Robe and Wizard Hat, damnit, he needs to get this **** right. |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:56:00 -
[735] - Quote
Kasha Belle wrote:Any actual link to the offending video??
Context is everything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE |

Efraya
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:57:00 -
[736] - Quote
I for one think CCP should remove The Mittani's from this very public position as this behaviour is completely unacceptable.
WSpace; Best space. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3158
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:57:00 -
[737] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Malcanis wrote:I'm suicidal because I say I am. If anyone says anything bad about me they should immediately be banned. G¥ñG¥ñG¥ñ would you like a hug ? G¥ñG¥ñG¥ñ
You're obviously being insincere, so I'm petitioning for your immediate and permanent IP ban
you inhuman monster Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
337
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:57:00 -
[738] - Quote
Kasha Belle wrote:Any actual link to the offending video??
Context is everything.
Context means nothing in this instance. Here's the context you need:
* Mittani got the BIGGEST MANDATE IN CSM HISTORY * Fat ******** pubbies hate Goons.
IF you keep these two things in perspective, you'll understand 99% of these "HOLY CRAP, GOONS ARE MEAN~" threads that pop up. |

Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:57:00 -
[739] - Quote
And he represents the voice of the EVE player base? |

Sang-in Tiers
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:57:00 -
[740] - Quote
SENSATIONALISM YEEEEEAAAAH! |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1421
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:57:00 -
[741] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Alpheias wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Xython wrote:Ok, so lets recap:
* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.) * The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else... * Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves * ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"
Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.
What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.
All of what you have posted is fine. The problem is that as soon as the The Mittani stood up whilst being film at an official CCP Event, mocked and humiliated a person who possibly could been suicidal and then encourage others to do the same, the **** was always going to hit the fan. When CCP, their Partners and Investor's are seeing headlines like " CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player" - eurogamer.net " Eve Online Panel Encourages Harassing Suicidal Player" - The Escapist " CCP investigation into 'suicidal player jokes'" - Developer " CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" - Massively Then then it becomes an issue outside of Eve Online. Not really. That is just that these sites post sensationalist crap without any investigating into the matter. If anything, CCP should act against these sites for spreading lies when the guy that Mittani mocked apparently isn't suicidal. Much less depressed. Yeah they should probably muster the international e-lawyers and have those sites SHUT THE HELL DOWN because in criticising the Mittani they obviously hate america (and democracy) ((and too much beer)) so the problem was too much beer? so i am oke with that. lets wait and see if anybody else outside this commumity is also ok with it
I should point out I'm not really saying his behaviour was "OK" because he was clearly drunk off his face. For whats its worth I think it was an embarrassing cringe-worthy nonsensical alliance panel (apart from the wormhole guy and the scottish ransom sing-a-long guy who both rocked) - But I do think it was pretty hilarious the post above me should suggest that CCP take "action" against gaming sites!
That said, Mittani is clearly an amateur as yet with this protest against his chairmanship business. When I was chair of CSM one I had 100 page threads full of goons calling for my resignation because I temp-muted an annoying woman in an internet chat channel. Until he reaches that level of noteriety he's still a pussycat.
Still, he probably should apologise because he did make eve players in general look pretty stupid which is a shame given the otherwise complete success that Fanfest was this year.
And regardless of all the "did he didn't he" (break the tos / eula whatever) it is significantly implied that when a person runs for CSM that they should be aware they are representing the community and should behave in a mature and adult way in public. I think its fair to summise that had the early CSM's have acted as poorly at fanfest as this guy did there probably wouldn't be a CSM in existence today.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
522
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:57:00 -
[742] - Quote
STAY CALM |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
522
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:57:00 -
[743] - Quote
KEEP POSTING |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
337
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:57:00 -
[744] - Quote
Hikaru Kuroda wrote:And he represents the voice of the EVE player base?
By an overwhelming majority, yes.
DEAL WITH IT, PUBBIES |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3418
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:57:00 -
[745] - Quote
Efraya wrote:I for one think CCP should remove The Mittani's from this very public position as this behaviour is completely unacceptable.
yes let's **** off 10,058 people what a great path to go down "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Ntrails
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
58
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:58:00 -
[746] - Quote
Ntrails wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so... Hi, I am Ntrails. You may recognise me from previous excellent posts like "The Mittani is a smug ****", and "that's not my titan, that's my *****". I would like to say that on behalf of my corporation, and many other member corporations in Goonswarm federations alliance, we are enacting procedures designed to strip this flagrant psychopath of his powers in this Alliance. Not because of this go harass a dude outcry, but because of the pegging comments. I really cannot believe that they are being ignored over this obviously trivial matter.
I am a man of my word, at this moment the alliance is 57% for the removal of the mittani as CEO.
http://i.imgur.com/SeUhx.png |

Rick Maken
Secure Space Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 19:58:00 -
[747] - Quote
Posting in the thread to call OP an idiot.
And to say anyone who agrees with OP is a complete idiot.
Jumping on the cyber-bullying bandwagon is poor taste as well. |

Conu Leonida
Ex 24.7 v3
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:59:00 -
[748] - Quote
Heimdallofasgard wrote:CCP should say **** YOU to the media. No laws have been broken, we're making the majority of our player base happy and that's all that matters.
Some might say that's immoral, I say business is amoral and that eve makes no qualms about being a harsh game, no-one is going to hold your hand, you have to earn your place, just like everyone else.
"Welcome to Eve... Deal with it"
You're ignoring some facts...
Whenever something is judged (either outside and in court), there's the "letter of the law" and "the spirit of the law".
Usually, less informed people are guided by the a slightly perverted "spirit of the law" which means whatever way the "spirit of the law" is presented on a media channel.
CCP saying that to the media would be bad news. Media creates a good or bad reputation for your game. Media goes for anything ranging from printed/online newspapers, TV, blogs, forums and so on.
Especially for online media, outburst such as this event is a God-sent. It's one of the things that bloats their traffic and increases advertisement values ending up with positive cash flow on their end.
An inflammatory news header is the latest rage on the interwebz even though they may have to distort things a bit... The average "consumer" would swallow it up and think it through the "spirit of the law", while the news provider would be covered by following the "spirit of the law" with regards to how facts are presented.
Drama feeds the wallet in real life just like it does in EVE especially when you have Goon-affiliates posting the way they do. PR people live for this kind of things. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3418
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:00:00 -
[749] - Quote
I move that Sandslinger is also investigated for humiliating real players by publicly playing recordings of them singing badly for ransoms. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:00:00 -
[750] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:KEEP POSTING
Never stop posting. "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. you don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |
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Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:00:00 -
[751] - Quote
Xython wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Xython wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. Can I have your stuff? Goddamnit, I called dibs! You're a goon, no one likes you. I get his stuff. Well, I would normally disagree, but we intentionally role play assholes, so I can't argue with that point. Plus your name + personal corp name is kinda neato, so... Yeah, I vote Wuxi Wuxi Woowoo gets Kaivar's stuff. Any objections?
I like the way you think. Problem is, my first attempt with that name produced something really ugly, so now I have to wait 10h for biomassing =( |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
394
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:00:00 -
[752] - Quote
Would this have reached this level of care if it had been anyone else on the csm panel? No.
The only reason this is being brought up is that some buthurt people saw an opening to attack The Mittani and try to get him removed.
So, the only real question is will ccp see this for what it is - a thinly veiled attack of opportunity, or will they start banning people in Eve for harrasment, racism, discrimination, hatred and griefing? Because there wont be many people left if they do. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:01:00 -
[753] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:STAY CALM
EnderCapitalG wrote:KEEP POSTING
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
337
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:01:00 -
[754] - Quote
Andski wrote:I move that Sandslinger is also investigated for humiliating real players by publicly playing recordings of them singing badly for ransoms.
Move that all these players singing badly for ransoms be investigated for assault upon our eardrums and copyright infringement (they didn't have permission to cover those songs). |

Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
32
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:01:00 -
[755] - Quote
I feel that CCP are accomplices in Mittani's hate crimes. Why did they not stop the presentation? |

Krzdr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:01:00 -
[756] - Quote
Ban Mittens and also the NPC guys for starting thread as bad as this one.
Oh and ban me please for posting badly in a bad thread. Vote for The Mittani http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=438 |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1421
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:01:00 -
[757] - Quote
Andski wrote:I move that Sandslinger is also investigated for humiliating real players by publicly playing recordings of them singing badly for ransoms.
No way that was brilliant!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2288
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:02:00 -
[758] - Quote
Xython wrote:Hikaru Kuroda wrote:And he represents the voice of the EVE player base? By an overwhelming majority, yes. DEAL WITH IT, PUBBIES
It's called the Mittani Mandate...deal wiz it
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
337
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:02:00 -
[759] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:STAY CALM EnderCapitalG wrote:KEEP POSTING
|

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
103
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:02:00 -
[760] - Quote
I - too - wish to appear politically correct on an internet spaceship forum. |
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Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:02:00 -
[761] - Quote
And another one:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/345127/page/1 |

Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:02:00 -
[762] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: And regardless of all the "did he didn't he" (break the tos / eula whatever) it is significantly implied that when a person runs for CSM that they should be aware they are representing the community and should behave in a mature and adult way in public.
Your asking goons to behave? What is wrong with you, hell they can't even shut up in their own fleets. But you know what, we like it like that. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
337
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:02:00 -
[763] - Quote
Tetragammatron Prime wrote:I feel that CCP are accomplices in Mittani's hate crimes. Why did they not stop the presentation?
Because they were drunk off their asses like everyone else. |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:02:00 -
[764] - Quote
...I'm actually thinking he's ****** here.
Not because of what actually happened, but because of how it looks to the uninitiated. Is CCP going to go to bat over this in the media explaining the nuances of what they're trying to create with this game when 99% of the people who hear about it are going to read 2 sentences and start brandishing pitchforks?
Naw, they're just going to throw him to the wolves. Something along the lines of "this is what we're trying to do, but this particular individual took it too far, so we banned him".
Ah well, a good way to go at least. Just a dumb game. See you in WoT. |

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:03:00 -
[765] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:STAY CALM EnderCapitalG wrote:KEEP POSTING
"The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. you don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Conu Leonida
Ex 24.7 v3
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:03:00 -
[766] - Quote
Sang-in Tiers wrote:SENSATIONALISM YEEEEEAAAAH!
It usually feeds the masses' need for fresh blood and the wallet of the ones spreading it. |

Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
67
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:03:00 -
[767] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Xython wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. Can I have your stuff? What makes you think I'm going to login to the game again? Eve is finished as far as I'm concerned. I'm only here because bullying and suicide is a serious issue and CCP needs to address it.
Oh, thank god. Get the **** out, nerd. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
337
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:03:00 -
[768] - Quote
Oh god NO, someone made a FORUM THREAD about how MEAN the big bad goonies are.
~~~ STOP THE ******* PRESSES! ~~~
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Lharanai
Empyrean Guard
122
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:03:00 -
[769] - Quote
Somehow I am feeling sad for the so often mentioned WH guy, does he have a name? I mean everybody says he gave a good presentation but obviously nobody can remember his name :) Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2288
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:03:00 -
[770] - Quote
Tetragammatron Prime wrote:I feel that CCP are accomplices in Mittani's hate crimes. Why did they not stop the presentation?
They were having too much fun. It's sad that pubbies don't know about fun.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:04:00 -
[771] - Quote
Do you ever feel like just giving up? |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
337
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:04:00 -
[772] - Quote
Kaleb Rysode wrote:Suicide Counsellor wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:STAY CALM EnderCapitalG wrote:KEEP POSTING
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1257
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:04:00 -
[773] - Quote
Sorana Anzomi wrote:In support of the OP I will make everything possible to spread the facts about this subject to as many people as possible until Alexander Gianturco aka "The Mittani" is dismissed from CSM and until all his EVE Online accounts banned for EULA and TOS violation. Maybe the new marketing director with CCP will say bad publicity is still free publicity. Well, we'll see about that. I wonder what your partners Sony and Nvidia will have to say about this after they will receive also hundreds of questions about this.  I have sent all the information I could gather on the subject to the following: 3Ts (Turn the Tide of Suicide) - Irish charity http://www.3ts.ie/about.htmSamaritans - UK charity http://www.samaritans.org/PAPYRUS - UK Charity http://www.papyrus-uk.org/helpguide.org www.mind.org.ukwww.rethink.orgwww.life.org.nzwww.paulstaffordfoundation.comwww.guardian.co.ukThese are only some of the greatest supporters of the people having suicidal problems. If you, CCP dont want to listen to us, maybe you will listen to them. So I suggest instead of poor excuses like you are "investigating", "reviewing", "monitoring".... CCP, act now!
LOL, wow.
I encourage everyone in this thread to send your character EVE mails mocking you for the level of stupidity you have sunk to.
I welcome any attempt to hold me responsible for any course of action you may decide upon in response.
Feel free to send these organizations an update quoting my post.  When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1421
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:04:00 -
[774] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote:Do you ever feel like just giving up?
You guys lol.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

stoicfaux
817
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:05:00 -
[775] - Quote
Ntrails wrote:Ntrails wrote:Pepinillos wrote:Can someone explain why is it that most of the players defending the Mittani are Goons? Coincidence? I don't think so... Hi, I am Ntrails. You may recognise me from previous excellent posts like "The Mittani is a smug ****", and "that's not my titan, that's my *****". I would like to say that on behalf of my corporation, and many other member corporations in Goonswarm federations alliance, we are enacting procedures designed to strip this flagrant psychopath of his powers in this Alliance. Not because of this go harass a dude outcry, but because of the pegging comments. I really cannot believe that they are being ignored over this obviously trivial matter. I am a man of my word, at this moment the alliance is 57% for the removal of the mittani as CEO. http://i.imgur.com/SeUhx.png
"9 members have cast votes." 10,058 / 9 = 117.6 alts per person. That's a *lot* of alts...
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
148
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:05:00 -
[776] - Quote
Has anyone else noticed that every one of these "unique" articles is a direct copy-paste of the original? |

Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:05:00 -
[777] - Quote
Half of them can't spell eve online right. |

Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
72
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:05:00 -
[778] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Kara Roideater wrote: c) How you interact with someone who is suicidal IS your responsibility. - Correct.
Wrong, because you have no way to determine if this is true or not. Logical failing on your behalf.
You're denying that your own actions are your responsibility?
Let me rephrase and breakdown the first proposition since I seem to have confused you and you seem to have difficulty following even the basics:
a) How YOU choose to interact with anyone under any circumstances is your own responsibility.
b) Someone who claims to be suicidal is someone (i.e. a member of the class 'anyone').
c) Therefore, how you interact with someone who claims to be suicidal is your responsibility.
Any problems with that? Now move on to the rest of the exercise with a revised answer to the first question. Hint: you need to keep the parts of the argument distinct. You are currently running together two different things.
And before you point out that previously I said 'is suicidal' and now I'm saying 'claims to be', the first version was sufficiently clear for you to take it as a claim in your response. Of course, if you had taken the 'is' to be literal, then your response makes no sense at all.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
337
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:05:00 -
[779] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote:Do you ever feel like just giving up?
I was going to replyw ith something like "Pubbies Never feel like giving up, they're not smart enough to know when they're beat," but then I realized your name. A++ would LOL again. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2289
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:06:00 -
[780] - Quote
Triskian wrote:Has anyone else noticed that every one of these "unique" articles is a direct copy-paste of the original?
Yep. Some angry dude made made a blog post and the rest of the gaming media is just copy/pasting it and calling it news. Boy are they going to look dumb. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Golar Crexis
the boltzmann experience Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
13
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:06:00 -
[781] - Quote
First of all I fully support Mittens to continue chairing the CSM.
Secondly do any of you understand what your on about? Somebody made an eve mail about 4-5 months ago that sounded suicidal. On an internet game about internet spaceships.
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
125
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:06:00 -
[782] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Would this have reached this level of care if it had been anyone else on the csm panel? No.
The only reason this is being brought up is that some buthurt people saw an opening to attack The Mittani and try to get him removed.
So, the only real question is will ccp see this for what it is - a thinly veiled attack of opportunity, or will they start banning people in Eve for harrasment, racism, discrimination, hatred and griefing? Because there wont be many people left if they do.
Sucide via social media and online bullying is a major news topic in the US and the developed world. A mention of Eve or CCP in the news will set back their PR efforts by half a decade as Joe Public and investors steer clear of CCP's products (Eve, Dust, World of Darkness etc). |

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:07:00 -
[783] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote:Do you ever feel like just giving up?
Yeah, I get that way all the time. Do you have any advice? "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
339
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:07:00 -
[784] - Quote
Triskian wrote:Has anyone else noticed that every one of these "unique" articles is a direct copy-paste of the original?
Because some idiot pubbie is running around shitposting it everywhere he can. You didn't think this was an actual scandal, did you? This is just a bunch of buttmad pubbies. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3419
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:07:00 -
[785] - Quote
i suspect that most of you don't give a rat's ass about this The Wis guy and you're just mad about the titan nerf or your hulk getting ganked ;p "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
75
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:08:00 -
[786] - Quote
All I have to say is... does CCP really want this kind of publicity after last years fiasco? Ditch Mittens... they did others for a lot less than this last year. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
249
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:08:00 -
[787] - Quote
Andski wrote:i suspect that most of you don't give a rat's ass about this The Wis guy and you're just mad about the titan nerf or your hulk getting ganked ;p
Cat's out of the bag gaiz |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
524
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:08:00 -
[788] - Quote
I go away for 5 minutes to make a phone call and come back to 3 new pages.
Keep it up, fellows. |

Kasha Belle
On your Left you will See Mars
22
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:08:00 -
[789] - Quote
Thank you Amity
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
106
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:09:00 -
[790] - Quote
Andski wrote:i suspect that most of you don't give a rat's ass about this The Wis guy and you're just mad about the titan nerf or your hulk getting ganked ;p
Exactly my point. STOP STEALING MY IDEAS!  |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3419
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:09:00 -
[791] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:All I have to say is... does CCP really want this kind of publicity after last years fiasco? Ditch Mittens... they did others for a lot less than this last year.
what a great plan yeah let's toss 10,058 accounts who voted for mittens to the wayside "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Blinking Duck
The Kurian Order
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:10:00 -
[792] - Quote
Xython wrote:Triskian wrote:Has anyone else noticed that every one of these "unique" articles is a direct copy-paste of the original? Because some idiot pubbie is running around shitposting it everywhere he can. You didn't think this was an actual scandal, did you? This is just a bunch of buttmad pubbies.
The Fear! It practically flows. |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
674
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:10:00 -
[793] - Quote
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Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:10:00 -
[794] - Quote
This thread op is based in very bias interpretation of facts. what about everyone see the video for yourselfs and reach your own conclusion of what mittens said in the context he said it, before you make an ass of yourselfs in this forum...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE&list=HL1332571817&feature=mh_lolz
Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
674
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:10:00 -
[795] - Quote
haha |

Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
150
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:10:00 -
[796] - Quote
Xython wrote:Triskian wrote:Has anyone else noticed that every one of these "unique" articles is a direct copy-paste of the original? Because some idiot pubbie is running around shitposting it everywhere he can. You didn't think this was an actual scandal, did you? This is just a bunch of buttmad pubbies.
I really like the parts where people were quoting American law in this thread as if it applies to the entire world. |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
137
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:11:00 -
[797] - Quote
Mittens 4 President |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
125
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:11:00 -
[798] - Quote
Jonathan Malcom wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Xython wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. Can I have your stuff? What makes you think I'm going to login to the game again? Eve is finished as far as I'm concerned. I'm only here because bullying and suicide is a serious issue and CCP needs to address it. Oh, thank god. Get the **** out, nerd.
Thank you for confirming the rightness of my decision. I'll be encouraging others to avoid this cesspool of a "game" where players try to kill you in real life. |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1310
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:11:00 -
[799] - Quote
I've commented about this at length a number of times.
CCP set about to make a game that openly encouraged players to adopt the worst possible conduct. It is the shoot people in the face game, the scamming game, the griefing game. Basically Eve is the place where asshattery is openly celebrated.
CCP has been very successful in creating a game where the worst of everyone comes out to play. CCP actually openly reinforces that this is how they want their gamed played.
Eve has huge groups that focus on what would be in the real world considered immoral, criminal and evil.
When I've talked to folks that have really embraced their asshatness in game and suggested that it says something about them, that if RL didn't have mechanics in place that would present real consequences they would be just as much an asshat in RL as they are in game. I think this years Fanfest proved my point.
I think CCP has created a monster and it will be interesting to see how they react. You have to also ask if the fact Eve is a place where morality is a detriment if that actually is a big part of the subscription ceiling? I think a lot of folks come to Eve wanting a space game and leave when they learn it is also game where horrible behavior is celebrated.
Watching the panel was pretty painful, but honestly, not at all surprising.
Issler |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:12:00 -
[800] - Quote
Kaleb Rysode wrote:Suicide Counsellor wrote:Do you ever feel like just giving up? Yeah, I get that way all the time. Do you have any advice?
never stop posting |
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
674
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:12:00 -
[801] - Quote
there's a wasp on my screen |

Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:12:00 -
[802] - Quote
Keep the threadnaught going boys, if we get to 10058 pages maybe your pubbie dreams might come true. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
60
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:12:00 -
[803] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Jonathan Malcom wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Xython wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. Can I have your stuff? What makes you think I'm going to login to the game again? Eve is finished as far as I'm concerned. I'm only here because bullying and suicide is a serious issue and CCP needs to address it. Oh, thank god. Get the **** out, nerd. Thank you for confirming the rightness of my decision. I'll be encouraging others to avoid this cesspool of a "game" where players try to kill you in real life.
You really are special arn't you, Do you actually lick windows for fun? |

Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
150
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:12:00 -
[804] - Quote
Why are you still here? |

Blinking Duck
The Kurian Order
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:12:00 -
[805] - Quote
Triskian wrote:Xython wrote:Triskian wrote:Has anyone else noticed that every one of these "unique" articles is a direct copy-paste of the original? Because some idiot pubbie is running around shitposting it everywhere he can. You didn't think this was an actual scandal, did you? This is just a bunch of buttmad pubbies. I really like the parts where people were quoting American law in this thread as if it applies to the entire world.
FEAR!
I mean seriously, you guys really are shitting bricks! |

Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
34
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:12:00 -
[806] - Quote
If a CCP employee went on stage and committed such a hate crime they would undoubted be fired, same should happen to Mittanis. |

qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:13:00 -
[807] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:All I have to say is... does CCP really want this kind of publicity after last years fiasco? Ditch Mittens... they did others for a lot less than this last year.
I really do not see how this is bad publicity.
|

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
339
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:13:00 -
[808] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:All I have to say is... does CCP really want this kind of publicity after last years fiasco? Ditch Mittens... they did others for a lot less than this last year.
So you're suggesting they violate the integrity of the Sandbox AND the CSM process because people can't stand that Mittani got THE BIGGEST MANDATE IN CSM HISTORY?
Hell, Darius III was leaking info to Riverini and they didn't do anything then, either. Get real.
|

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
137
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:13:00 -
[809] - Quote
Not Empty Quoting |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1310
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:13:00 -
[810] - Quote
Triskian wrote:Xython wrote:Triskian wrote:Has anyone else noticed that every one of these "unique" articles is a direct copy-paste of the original? Because some idiot pubbie is running around shitposting it everywhere he can. You didn't think this was an actual scandal, did you? This is just a bunch of buttmad pubbies. I really like the parts where people were quoting American law in this thread as if it applies to the entire world.
Not the entire world, but certainly to anyone doing business in America and having customers in America.
Issler |
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Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
35
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:13:00 -
[811] - Quote
Oh my, the drama is strong with this one. Will CCP ban mittens for his drunken blunder? Will CCP's HQ in iceland be burned down by anti cyberbullying groups?! If I say I'd like to see CCP's HQ die in a fire, will I get banned?! STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT! |

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:13:00 -
[812] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote:Kaleb Rysode wrote:Suicide Counsellor wrote:Do you ever feel like just giving up? Yeah, I get that way all the time. Do you have any advice? never stop posting
Challenge accepted. "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
60
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:14:00 -
[813] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Triskian wrote:Xython wrote:Triskian wrote:Has anyone else noticed that every one of these "unique" articles is a direct copy-paste of the original? Because some idiot pubbie is running around shitposting it everywhere he can. You didn't think this was an actual scandal, did you? This is just a bunch of buttmad pubbies. I really like the parts where people were quoting American law in this thread as if it applies to the entire world. Not the entire world, but certainly to anyone doing business in America and having customers in America. Issler
Incorrect. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3419
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:14:00 -
[814] - Quote
Blinking Duck wrote:FEAR!
I mean seriously, you guys really are shitting bricks!
we're not afraid, heh
10,058 angry people can influence outcomes ;p "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
674
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:14:00 -
[815] - Quote
i think it's going to sting me |

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
106
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:14:00 -
[816] - Quote
The fun starts an hour in. :popcorn: |

DarthNefarius
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:14:00 -
[817] - Quote
Kaleb Rysode wrote:Suicide Counsellor wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:STAY CALM EnderCapitalG wrote:KEEP POSTING
PANIC!!!!! THROW MITTENS UNDER THE BUS!!!!! STOP POSTING... NO ON SECOND THOUGHT POST 100 PAGES IN THIS THREAD IN 1 DAY "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
339
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:14:00 -
[818] - Quote
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:All I have to say is... does CCP really want this kind of publicity after last years fiasco? Ditch Mittens... they did others for a lot less than this last year. I really do not see how this is bad publicity.
If you don't get EVE and want to play it like "WOW, in Space" and believe that Player Generated Content doesn't really exist because hey, LEvel 4 Mission #155313, then yeah, you might think this is bad publicity.
If so, get the **** out. We don't need you. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1257
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:15:00 -
[819] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Jonathan Malcom wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Xython wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. Can I have your stuff? What makes you think I'm going to login to the game again? Eve is finished as far as I'm concerned. I'm only here because bullying and suicide is a serious issue and CCP needs to address it. Oh, thank god. Get the **** out, nerd. Thank you for confirming the rightness of my decision. I'll be encouraging others to avoid this cesspool of a "game" where players try to kill you in real life.
I must have missed that part of the stream, care to point out at what point the Mitanni tried to kill someone in real life?
No?
I didn't think so.  When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
183
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:15:00 -
[820] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Xython wrote:Hikaru Kuroda wrote:And he represents the voice of the EVE player base? By an overwhelming majority, yes. DEAL WITH IT, PUBBIES It's called the Mittani Mandate...deal wiz it
Doesn't trump possibly criminal behavior. |
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:15:00 -
[821] - Quote
Heh. |

Morphisat
Millard Innovation Inc
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:15:00 -
[822] - Quote
And just as Eve was on the up again, this happens and creates a PR nightmare for CCP. I don't see how they can do anything other than fire the CSM chairman.
|

Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:15:00 -
[823] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Triskian wrote:Xython wrote:Triskian wrote:Has anyone else noticed that every one of these "unique" articles is a direct copy-paste of the original? Because some idiot pubbie is running around shitposting it everywhere he can. You didn't think this was an actual scandal, did you? This is just a bunch of buttmad pubbies. I really like the parts where people were quoting American law in this thread as if it applies to the entire world. Not the entire world, but certainly to anyone doing business in America and having customers in America. Issler
So that means Canadian law should apply to everyone involved with EVE as well, and Russian Law, and UK law, and French law, and...
Also posting to let the world know I now have 150 space likes. :woop: |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
196
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:15:00 -
[824] - Quote
I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things.
This all is not because he said that, its because he is elected and he is, because of it, responsible for his actions and words. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2292
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:16:00 -
[825] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Not the entire world, but certainly to anyone doing business in America and having customers in America.
Issler
Look at Issler jumping all over this thinking that if Mittens gets kicked of the CSM that her dream of never-ending space pants will come true.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
60
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:16:00 -
[826] - Quote
How is this still going?
I have tears saved up to fuel my Empire hulk ganking fleet for years to come. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3421
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:16:00 -
[827] - Quote
internet lawyers ITT "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2292
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:16:00 -
[828] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things.
This all is not because he said that, its because he is elected and he is, because of it, responsible for his actions and words.
This true. Lucky for him he didn't do anything wrong.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Blinking Duck
The Kurian Order
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:16:00 -
[829] - Quote
Andski wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:FEAR!
I mean seriously, you guys really are shitting bricks! we're not afraid, heh 10,058 angry people can influence outcomes ;p
And I hope you do so. Mittani is likely to be banned. Please be very angry about this because it makes things interesting. :) |

Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
69
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:17:00 -
[830] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Jonathan Malcom wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Xython wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:This is an absolute disaster for CCP and EVE Online. Why would I play a game where players will try and craft my death in real ******* life? This is way beyond a game. I'm not forking money for this kind of abuse. Can I have your stuff? What makes you think I'm going to login to the game again? Eve is finished as far as I'm concerned. I'm only here because bullying and suicide is a serious issue and CCP needs to address it. Oh, thank god. Get the **** out, nerd. Thank you for confirming the rightness of my decision. I'll be encouraging others to avoid this cesspool of a "game" where players try to kill you in real life.
That's exactly what's going on here. Attempted murder. Your sense of perception is razor sharp.
Holy ****. Get out. |
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:17:00 -
[831] - Quote
Very short minded action from The Mittani and should be punished by CCP (do you realy like such guys in your CSM @CCP?)
In addition his call might even be against laws (this part: "... if you want to make the guy kill himself ...") and so it wouldn't be a CCP problem anymore but a problem of real jurisdiction in the US.
So US guys ... why not simply institute legal proceedings against against him ... or inform the US police about his behavior? It doesn't matter if he write flyers, do phonecalls, uses a fanfest or forum for his call. At minimum it's "call for harassment" (don't know if illegal in the US, in my country it is) and if it goes bad for The Mittani it's "calling for murder" (which would mean up to 8 years real prison where I live).
@The Mittani, realy REALY stupid action You scamed yourselve with this ;). Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:17:00 -
[832] - Quote
Xython wrote:qDoctor Strangelove wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:All I have to say is... does CCP really want this kind of publicity after last years fiasco? Ditch Mittens... they did others for a lot less than this last year. I really do not see how this is bad publicity. If you don't get EVE and want to play it like "WOW, in Space" and believe that Player Generated Content doesn't really exist because hey, LEvel 4 Mission #155313, then yeah, you might think this is bad publicity. If so, get the **** out. We don't need you.
Actually, if they want to play WoW in space, they can go play http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_%26_Beyond . Except it was killed off in 2004. "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
339
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:18:00 -
[833] - Quote
Morphisat wrote:And just as Eve was on the up again, this happens and creates a PR nightmare for CCP. I don't see how they can do anything other than fire the CSM chairman.
I would suggest pull your head out of your ass, then. The view is better. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3421
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:19:00 -
[834] - Quote
Blinking Duck wrote:Andski wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:FEAR!
I mean seriously, you guys really are shitting bricks! we're not afraid, heh 10,058 angry people can influence outcomes ;p And I hope you do so. Mittani is likely to be banned. Please be very angry about this because it makes things interesting. :)
you're retarded lol ;p "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2292
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:19:00 -
[835] - Quote
Blinking Duck wrote:Mittani is likely to be banned.
Boy are you going to be disappointed.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
76
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:19:00 -
[836] - Quote
One way to get CCP to listen is to start canceling your accounts kiddies. That worked last time.  ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:20:00 -
[837] - Quote
I see a lot of people advocating for drastic measures here
We need to calm down |

baltec1
866
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:20:00 -
[838] - Quote
Morphisat wrote:And just as Eve was on the up again, this happens and creates a PR nightmare for CCP. I don't see how they can do anything other than fire the CSM chairman.
They could just ignore the very vocal minority who are makining a mountain out of a molehill. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
249
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:20:00 -
[839] - Quote
This belongs on the front page of the internet.
Reddit. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2292
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:20:00 -
[840] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:So US guys ... why not simply institute legal proceedings against against him ... or inform the US police about his behavior?.
Probably because it's not illegal to make fun of stupid people.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
121
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:20:00 -
[841] - Quote
Andski wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:FEAR!
I mean seriously, you guys really are shitting bricks! we're not afraid, heh 10,058 angry people can influence outcomes ;p
Wonder what the real figure is if you exclude the alts. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1258
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:20:00 -
[842] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:Very short minded action from The Mittani and should be punished by CCP (do you realy like such guys in your CSM @CCP?)
In addition his call might even be against laws (this part: "... if you want to make the guy kill himself ...") and so it wouldn't be a CCP problem anymore but a problem of real jurisdiction in the US.
So US guys ... why not simply institute legal proceedings against against him ... or inform the US police about his behavior? It doesn't matter if he write flyers, do phonecalls, uses a fanfest or forum for his call. At minimum it's "call for harassment" (don't know if illegal in the US, in my country it is) and if it goes bad for The Mittani it's "calling for murder" (which would mean up to 8 years real prison where I live).
@The Mittani, realy REALY stupid action You scamed yourselve with this ;).
        
I haven't laughed so hard at a single post like this in ages.
Thank you. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
339
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:20:00 -
[843] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:Mittani is likely to be banned. Boy are you going to be disappointed.
Self perpetuating Delicious Tears. Goons, we have hit the motherload. |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:20:00 -
[844] - Quote
I do not think after eight years of playing anyone can accuse me of not knowing what EVE is about and blahdeblahdeblah. I also have nothing whatsoever against people playing it hard in the game. Hell, I am not above confessing that some of my best memories of EVE are about pirates crying about how unfair it is that we choose to shoot them just because they shoot other people, which is a totally VALID playstyle and who are WE to ruin it for them by unfairly making them explode. 
That said, as I have stated elsewhere, I find The Mittani's behavior in this incident completely unacceptable. This is not a case of one player playing it hard with another, this is a case of a chairman of a representative body of the community abusing that position to harass an individual member of said community.
I am afraid if The Mittani is allowed to continue in the CSM, I will no longer consider it morally acceptable to give CCP my money.
And yea, I am sure the Goonies don't need me to enjoy the game, as the gentleman couple of posts back points out. Do I care? No. If CCP rather makes this game for people who think that the behavior of The Mittani was just fine and acceptable, by all means. Let them; their call. |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
127
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:21:00 -
[845] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:
You really are special arn't you, Do you actually lick windows for fun?
You mad because I can walk away from an MMO and you can't? |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:21:00 -
[846] - Quote
How do I get an internet lawyer degree? |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2292
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:22:00 -
[847] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Andski wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:FEAR!
I mean seriously, you guys really are shitting bricks! we're not afraid, heh 10,058 angry people can influence outcomes ;p Wonder what the real figure is if you exclude the alts.
It doesn't matter. 10,058 paying accounts voted for The Mittani. He got more than twice the number of votes as the second place guy.
It's called the Mittani Mandate.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:22:00 -
[848] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Orkasm wrote:
You really are special arn't you, Do you actually lick windows for fun?
You mad because I can walk away from an MMO and you can't?
Like you can walk?
it's more of a waddle, tbqh |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:22:00 -
[849] - Quote
Am I the only one who noticed the lack of rage comments about this non issue on the youtube link? Lol. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2292
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:22:00 -
[850] - Quote
Xython wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:Mittani is likely to be banned. Boy are you going to be disappointed. Self perpetuating Delicious Tears. Goons, we have hit the motherload.
It's never going to get much better than this
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
|

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
202
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:22:00 -
[851] - Quote
Andski wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:FEAR!
I mean seriously, you guys really are shitting bricks! we're not afraid, heh 10,058 angry people can influence outcomes ;p
really andski? thats the best you got?
well 8k of those 10g's were buddy program alts... so in reality its 3k peeeps that eveonline would not miss leaving the game...
|

Tepron
Cobalt Armada Cobalt Holdings Coalition
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:23:00 -
[852] - Quote
EVE-O, for when work is slow, <3 Lets sue McDonalds 'cuz the coffee is hot, oh wait............. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
249
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:23:00 -
[853] - Quote
~fly away |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3421
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:23:00 -
[854] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:really andski? thats the best you got?
well 8k of those 10g's were buddy program alts... so in reality its 3k peeeps that eveonline would not miss leaving the game...
ahahaha you are so wrong "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
106
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:23:00 -
[855] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Xython wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:Mittani is likely to be banned. Boy are you going to be disappointed. Self perpetuating Delicious Tears. Goons, we have hit the motherload. It's never going to get much better than this
Actually... Jita? |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1258
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:23:00 -
[856] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:How do I get an internet lawyer degree?
All you need is the ability to type semi coherently and the ability to hit the POST button. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:24:00 -
[857] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Andski wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:FEAR!
I mean seriously, you guys really are shitting bricks! we're not afraid, heh 10,058 angry people can influence outcomes ;p Wonder what the real figure is if you exclude the alts. It doesn't matter. 10,058 paying accounts voted for The Mittani. He got more than twice the number of votes as the second place guy. It's called the Mittani Mandate. Its like how politicians are allowed to screw the public until they bleed - they were voted in on a platform of screwing people anally, you have no right to complain when they ask you to bend over. |

baltec1
866
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:24:00 -
[858] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:
Wonder what the real figure is if you exclude the alts.
Most likely a number vastly greater than the number of alts badposting about this storm in a teacup. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2292
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:24:00 -
[859] - Quote
JamesCLK wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Xython wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:Mittani is likely to be banned. Boy are you going to be disappointed. Self perpetuating Delicious Tears. Goons, we have hit the motherload. It's never going to get much better than this Actually... Jita?
Ssshhh..don't tip them off The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:24:00 -
[860] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Andski wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:FEAR!
I mean seriously, you guys really are shitting bricks! we're not afraid, heh 10,058 angry people can influence outcomes ;p really andski? thats the best you got? well 7-8k of those 10g's were buddy program alts... so in reality its 3k peeeps that eveonline would not miss leaving the game...
Lol.
Cite your figures, please.
Else, the report for trolling will be in soon. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1037
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:25:00 -
[861] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:there's a wasp on my screen
There's a bunch of annoying little bees on mine.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:25:00 -
[862] - Quote
Goddamnit I missed the snipe. |

Ronja Mistysdottir
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:25:00 -
[863] - Quote
To: Ronja Mistysdottir INBOX if your rat why the hell did you blow up my ship
xxxxxxx To: Ronja Mistysdottir, i see you are one of those who attack civilian ships because it is easier and they don't fight back
xxxxxxxx Re: Re: My thought and action
From: Ved Run To: Ronja Mistysdottir INBOX
Hi. Because you do not yet attack me persistently, I do not report it. =)
2009.11.07 23:25 How did this petition turn out?
2009.10.26 19:41 Hi.
Thank you for talking some time ago.
I thought after conversation with you. I concluded that Mining was necessary to get the item which I aimed for.
I intend to continue Mining in future.
And I decided to appeal as a harassment to CCP if you continued aiming at me in future.
I decide to leave the approval to CCP.
|

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
202
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:25:00 -
[864] - Quote
Andski wrote:MeBiatch wrote:really andski? thats the best you got?
well 8k of those 10g's were buddy program alts... so in reality its 3k peeeps that eveonline would not miss leaving the game...
ahahaha you are so wrong
which part the this is the best you got?
the fact that 8k were 30 day buddy alts?
or that we could care less if every goon in the game unsubbed? |

Tenga Halaris
Exit Strategies
23
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:26:00 -
[865] - Quote
CCP Wrangler: "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for."
And there also is this band I like, called "Permaband". They say something like this:
"Ever flowing - never standing still We roll with the punches, move in for the kill The competition ends up six feet in the ground With fists full of awesome we go round after round"
HTFU
o/ |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2293
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:26:00 -
[866] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:there's a wasp on my screen There's a bunch of annoying little bees on mine. Mr Epeen 
Is that why you confuse posting on a forum with writing a letter and sign your posts?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:26:00 -
[867] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:there's a wasp on my screen There's a bunch of annoying little bees on mine. Mr Epeen 
Don't sign your posts IN the post you stupid pubbie. "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:26:00 -
[868] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:Very short minded action from The Mittani and should be punished by CCP (do you realy like such guys in your CSM @CCP?)
In addition his call might even be against laws (this part: "... if you want to make the guy kill himself ...") and so it wouldn't be a CCP problem anymore but a problem of real jurisdiction in the US.
So US guys ... why not simply institute legal proceedings against against him ... or inform the US police about his behavior? It doesn't matter if he write flyers, do phonecalls, uses a fanfest or forum for his call. At minimum it's "call for harassment" (don't know if illegal in the US, in my country it is) and if it goes bad for The Mittani it's "calling for murder" (which would mean up to 8 years real prison where I live).
@The Mittani, realy REALY stupid action You scamed yourselve with this ;).
Have to prove actual malice instead of drunken laughing braggadocchio |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1258
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:26:00 -
[869] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Am I the only one who noticed the lack of rage comments about this non issue on the youtube link? Lol.

Yeah, and the "WTF is wrong with you people" posts on the game news sites are pretty hilarious also. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:26:00 -
[870] - Quote
MeBiatch what's it like being wrong all of the time? |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2293
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:27:00 -
[871] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Andski wrote:MeBiatch wrote:really andski? thats the best you got?
well 8k of those 10g's were buddy program alts... so in reality its 3k peeeps that eveonline would not miss leaving the game...
ahahaha you are so wrong which part the this is the best you got? the fact that 8k were 30 day buddy alts? or that we could care less if every goon in the game unsubbed?
Characters had to be 60 days old to vote. Sorry to ruin your little fantasy with facts.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Jonathan Jax
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the ISK
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:27:00 -
[872] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Andski wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:FEAR!
I mean seriously, you guys really are shitting bricks! we're not afraid, heh 10,058 angry people can influence outcomes ;p Wonder what the real figure is if you exclude the alts. It doesn't matter. 10,058 paying accounts voted for The Mittani. He got more than twice the number of votes as the second place guy. It's called the Mittani Mandate.
And there are 450,000 paying subscribers... so The Mittani is a very very small fish in the scheme of things. :)
It is rather disappointing though, that such a small fish has caused such a scene for EVE across gaming news sites. |

Anya Klibor
Error-404
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:28:00 -
[873] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
I'm kind of curious. In the United States, if a lawyer were found to be this insulting towards someone, knowing full well that they were claiming thoughts of suicide and were claiming they'd go through with it, the lawyer would be having a little ol' BAR hearing if it was found out the lawyer acted improperly (i.e., insulting him and pushing him to actually perform the action of taking his own life). I'm rather curious as to how much it will suck for you if your local BAR (or whatever) found out... |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
341
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:28:00 -
[874] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Orkasm wrote:
You really are special arn't you, Do you actually lick windows for fun?
You mad because I can walk away from an MMO and you can't?
But you're not walking away, are you? You're saying how much you're going to walk away on the forums.
Two laws:
1. Anyone saying they're going to kill themselves in a bilateral communication medium (forum, phone, etc) is likely not actually suicidal, they are looking for a reaction. 2. Anyone saying they're going to quit an MMORPG is not actually going to quit the MMORPG, they're just looking for a reaction. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
27
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:28:00 -
[875] - Quote
If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? |

Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:29:00 -
[876] - Quote
anyone got a video of of what he said? On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2293
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:29:00 -
[877] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ I'm kind of curious. In the United States, if a lawyer were found to be this insulting towards someone, knowing full well that they were claiming thoughts of suicide and were claiming they'd go through with it, the lawyer would be having a little ol' BAR hearing if it was found out the lawyer acted improperly (i.e., insulting him and pushing him to actually perform the action of taking his own life). I'm rather curious as to how much it will suck for you if your local BAR (or whatever) found out...
The Mittani is retired.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:29:00 -
[878] - Quote
Jonathan Jax wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Andski wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:FEAR!
I mean seriously, you guys really are shitting bricks! we're not afraid, heh 10,058 angry people can influence outcomes ;p Wonder what the real figure is if you exclude the alts. It doesn't matter. 10,058 paying accounts voted for The Mittani. He got more than twice the number of votes as the second place guy. It's called the Mittani Mandate. And there are 450,000 paying subscribers... so The Mittani is a very very small fish in the scheme of things. :) It is rather disappointing though, that such a small fish has caused such a scene for EVE across gaming news sites.
Did They Vote?
What's that? No they didn't you say?
|

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1179
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:29:00 -
[879] - Quote
Sigh...I guess I need to actually find a video of these comments so I know what was *really* said.
Genuinely encouraging the harassment of suicidal players is certainly something CCP shouldn't allow. Online communities have saved the lives of suicidal people before, I'd hate for us to become the one that helped end one. But you have to take any such statement with a grain of salt: did Mittens *really* sound like that's what he wanted, or was it obviously a joke?
Sure the whole thing was in poor taste. That's par for the course for a Goon; if they didn't troll and **** off the rest of the universe, they wouldn't be doing their jobs. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2292
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:29:00 -
[880] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly?
Neither since he didn't do anything wrong.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
|

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
341
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:30:00 -
[881] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Xython wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:Mittani is likely to be banned. Boy are you going to be disappointed. Self perpetuating Delicious Tears. Goons, we have hit the motherload. It's never going to get much better than this
Jita. 180 proof Pubbie Rage. Looking forward to it. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:30:00 -
[882] - Quote
:| |

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:30:00 -
[883] - Quote
some more facts just to shut up the people that are putting the CSM in the middle of this discussion
1 . this was a alliance panel, with alliance CEOs and he was there has the GSF ceo not has the CSM chairman 2. by this time mittens wasn't won nothing yet, results were only release the next day, during those 24 hours gap nobody said nothing, the alliance panel was fine and funny.... he wins and a couple of hours later all these threads and letters start to be sent to press...
sad sad losers
PS: all these ops... it is you rivi?
Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
60
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:31:00 -
[884] - Quote
esc shk wrote: Did They Vote?
What's that? No they didn't you say?
Therefore they are irrelevant, just like your argument. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
341
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:31:00 -
[885] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Sigh...I guess I need to actually find a video of these comments so I know what was *really* said.
Genuinely encouraging the harassment of suicidal players is certainly something CCP shouldn't allow. Online communities have saved the lives of suicidal people before, I'd hate for us to become the one that helped end one. But you have to take any such statement with a grain of salt: did Mittens *really* sound like that's what he wanted, or was it obviously a joke?
Sure the whole thing was in poor taste. That's par for the course for a Goon; if they didn't troll and **** off the rest of the universe, they wouldn't be doing their jobs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE&list=HL1332571817&feature=mh_lolz
It's about 1 hour in. Mittani was reading off a bunch of emails he got from people who felt being sold nonexistant titans and getting shot for botting was a problem. |

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
107
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:31:00 -
[886] - Quote
Xython wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Xython wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:Mittani is likely to be banned. Boy are you going to be disappointed. Self perpetuating Delicious Tears. Goons, we have hit the motherload. It's never going to get much better than this Jita. 180 proof Pubbie Rage. Looking forward to it.
Cya at the afterparty on the top of GD. |

Ya34le5Tg
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:31:00 -
[887] - Quote
To: Ya34le5Tg INBOX
I think Im going to leave eve anyway... cant afford another mack. You broke me. good job.. take care of yourself though, and fly safe.
You should have paid for the green tax certificate Exusbish.
what the ****. Another bill................. I said I was sorry god ******* damn you.
xxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: Eagleye13 To: Ya34le5Tg INBOX
Eagleye13: my brother doesnt know how to play i just told him how to deposit ice and go back to the ice field and fire on the ice and if he gets attacked by anyhting release the drones, hes only 8.
Me: so, your little brother destroyed your space ship while breaking the EULA of the game? Interesting.
Eagleye13: well gues what i wasnt, and my little brother was playing because i had to go to a fire call.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: Asmorh To: Ya34le5Tg INBOX
**** off *******...ak ta raz najdem tak ta sejmem ty buzerant vyjebany....i go send email to CCP
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
92
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:31:00 -
[888] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote:I see a lot of people advocating for drastic measures here
We need to calm down Not realy.
I allways see this :"It's just a game".
Well, if someone can't see where "the game" end and "real life problems" begin ... then this guy has a problem. And as it seams the Mittani crossed this line where he missed :"This is no longer just the game, THIS IS REAL".
Someone with decent sozial competence (or just a bit of brain) must know when to stop. He didn't know when to stop. Now he has to deal with the real world law.
Dude, how stupid to use a fanfest with life videostreams for such calls ... Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1258
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:31:00 -
[889] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ I'm kind of curious. In the United States, if a lawyer were found to be this insulting towards someone, knowing full well that they were claiming thoughts of suicide and were claiming they'd go through with it, the lawyer would be having a little ol' BAR hearing if it was found out the lawyer acted improperly (i.e., insulting him and pushing him to actually perform the action of taking his own life). I'm rather curious as to how much it will suck for you if your local BAR (or whatever) found out...
I'd be interested to see the regulations that control what a lawyer can say while he is on vacation. Link please? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
183
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:31:00 -
[890] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Sigh...I guess I need to actually find a video of these comments so I know what was *really* said.
Genuinely encouraging the harassment of suicidal players is certainly something CCP shouldn't allow. Online communities have saved the lives of suicidal people before, I'd hate for us to become the one that helped end one. But you have to take any such statement with a grain of salt: did Mittens *really* sound like that's what he wanted, or was it obviously a joke?
Sure the whole thing was in poor taste. That's par for the course for a Goon; if they didn't troll and **** off the rest of the universe, they wouldn't be doing their jobs.
the vid stutters and catches at a key moment. |
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Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
136
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:32:00 -
[891] - Quote
Saying your going to commit suicide over a game is just asking to get mocked. Some kid killed himself over Runescape before and it generated much lulz over the interwebs. Another killed himself over losing an ipod.
Stupid people kill themselves over stupid things. Anyone threatening to kill themselves over a freaking video game probably wouldn't contribute much to the world anyway. The Mitanni should of trolled the guy by calling the cops and having him put in an asylum. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:32:00 -
[892] - Quote
:popcorn: |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
202
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:32:00 -
[893] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Andski wrote:MeBiatch wrote:really andski? thats the best you got?
well 8k of those 10g's were buddy program alts... so in reality its 3k peeeps that eveonline would not miss leaving the game...
ahahaha you are so wrong which part the this is the best you got? the fact that 8k were 30 day buddy alts? or that we could care less if every goon in the game unsubbed? Characters had to be 60 days old to vote. Sorry to ruin your little fantasy with facts.
actually min votin age is 30days+.... interesting that the buddy program came out right when the CSM elections were anounced...
plus with all the technium income 1.5 trillion isk to ensure mittenz got elected is not that much...
tools will be funny when he gets fired... and all those iskies are waisted!
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1037
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:32:00 -
[894] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ I'm kind of curious. In the United States, if a lawyer were found to be this insulting towards someone, knowing full well that they were claiming thoughts of suicide and were claiming they'd go through with it, the lawyer would be having a little ol' BAR hearing if it was found out the lawyer acted improperly (i.e., insulting him and pushing him to actually perform the action of taking his own life). I'm rather curious as to how much it will suck for you if your local BAR (or whatever) found out... The Mittani is retired.
LOL retired is how Americans say disbarred ?
Mr Epeen  Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Glockshna Quant
Versatility Production Corporation' LLC
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:32:00 -
[895] - Quote
After watching the actual recording of the alliance panel I have to say, you guys are making a big ******* mountain out of a mole hill.
It's not like he brought THAT evemail and ONLY that evemail for the sole purpose of calling this person out. The guy clearly played the sympathy card. He got juked by the goons repeatedly. Deservedly so. But calling for his 'resignation' isn't warranted or even logical here.
Harden the **** up is all I really can say to this. |

Kimmiy Kimasre
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:33:00 -
[896] - Quote
Just adding my two-isk worth:
Impeach The Mittani, because his statement was completely unacceptable and will tarnish the entire CSM program so long as he is a part of it.
And yes, inciting harassment for the purpose of causing someone to commit suicide is illegal in many countries, and could open up CCP, a studio with customers all around the world, to legal action in any of those countries. Such laws take harassment literally and seriously. There is no, "it was just a joke," in the real world. |

baltec1
868
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:33:00 -
[897] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly?
Neither. This is nothing more than a campain by angry people bitter about mittani getting on the seat again and bitter at changes being made to the game they see as benefiting goons. If not this then they would have picked some other drunken antic mittens got up to. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1424
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:33:00 -
[898] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I do not think after eight years of playing anyone can accuse me of not knowing what EVE is about and blahdeblahdeblah. I also have nothing whatsoever against people playing it hard in the game. Hell, I am not above confessing that one of my best memories of EVE are about pirates crying about how unfair it is that we choose to shoot them just because they shoot other people, which is a totally VALID playstyle and who are WE to ruin it for them by unfairly making them explode.  That said, as I have stated elsewhere, I find The Mittani's behavior in this incident completely unacceptable. This is not a case of one player playing it hard with another, this is a case of a chairman of a representative body of the community abusing that position to harass an individual member of said community. I am afraid if The Mittani is allowed to continue in the CSM, I will no longer consider it morally acceptable to give CCP my money. And yea, I am sure the Goonies don't need me to enjoy the game, as the gentleman couple of posts back points out. Do I care? No. If CCP rather makes this game for people who think that the behavior of The Mittani was just fine and acceptable, by all means. Let them; their call.
For what its worth Elsebeth I really hope it doesn't come to you leaving this game. And before any goons do the whole "lol whats one ex rp'er left matter" spiel - the reality is that a player like Elsebeth who helps build a unique and different alliance from most does matter in the grand of scheme of things because it helps define eve as a varied and thriving political landscape rather than a uniform (and abusive) playground full of silly children.
I personally think this issue could be resolved by Mittani making a full and honest apology for bringing the CSM into disrepute and I'd prefer that to seeing 10,000 voters (however misguided they might be) disenfranchised for the foolishness of their representative.
But where I do agree with you Elsebeth is that there is a line of behaviour that shouldn't be crossed in real life and at some point its neccessary to step back and realize behind everything we're all human beings playing a game together and the public mocking of somebody like the evidently vulnerable mining barge guy by the leader and representative of the CSM is simply not on. There is a responsibility one accepts when running for CSM to represent the game in a good light in public spotlight and drunkenly mocking some poor unfortunate on stage at Fanfest is not what the alliance panel is supposed to be about either.
Its crass, its childish, its frankly stupid.
And regardless of partizan internet nerdery I'd like to think that most of the goons are still perceptive enough to realize that it doesn't do the game any good to be seen as a cess pit for inhumane behaviour ooc on stage at the eve convention.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
107
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:34:00 -
[899] - Quote
Alex's only crime during the Fanfest panel was being not funny.
I don't like him and would have cast my 5 votes against him if CCP had given me that option (but unfortunately, CCP sucks.) Not because he scams, or is an ass, or because I'm butthurt, but because the CSM chair should be someone like Mynxee, who acts professionally and cares about the game, not a narcissistic, aging, trust fund frat boy.
That being said, his behavior was well known before the election. He won an overwhelming victory. This behavior is nothing new and should come as no surprise to anybody. If CCP punishes him now, they're a bunch of hypocrites. |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:34:00 -
[900] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ I'm kind of curious. In the United States, if a lawyer were found to be this insulting towards someone, knowing full well that they were claiming thoughts of suicide and were claiming they'd go through with it, the lawyer would be having a little ol' BAR hearing if it was found out the lawyer acted improperly (i.e., insulting him and pushing him to actually perform the action of taking his own life). I'm rather curious as to how much it will suck for you if your local BAR (or whatever) found out... The Mittani is retired. LOL retired is how Americans say disbarred ? Mr Epeen 
Was the guy his client or something? I'm confused. Was all that actually attorney - client communication? |
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:34:00 -
[901] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ I'm kind of curious. In the United States, if a lawyer were found to be this insulting towards someone, knowing full well that they were claiming thoughts of suicide and were claiming they'd go through with it, the lawyer would be having a little ol' BAR hearing if it was found out the lawyer acted improperly (i.e., insulting him and pushing him to actually perform the action of taking his own life). I'm rather curious as to how much it will suck for you if your local BAR (or whatever) found out... The Mittani is retired. LOL retired is how Americans say disbarred ? Mr Epeen 
No retired is how americans say retired, your mental capacity must be rather low. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
342
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:35:00 -
[902] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote::popcorn:
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2293
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:36:00 -
[903] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ I'm kind of curious. In the United States, if a lawyer were found to be this insulting towards someone, knowing full well that they were claiming thoughts of suicide and were claiming they'd go through with it, the lawyer would be having a little ol' BAR hearing if it was found out the lawyer acted improperly (i.e., insulting him and pushing him to actually perform the action of taking his own life). I'm rather curious as to how much it will suck for you if your local BAR (or whatever) found out... The Mittani is retired. LOL retired is how Americans say disbarred ? Mr Epeen 
It's how we say "made enough money to live comfortably for the rest of his life without having to kill his soul working for the government or some soulless corporation anymore"
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
107
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:36:00 -
[904] - Quote
Xython wrote:Jake Warbird wrote::popcorn:
:foodndrink: |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:36:00 -
[905] - Quote
I'm all out of copporn |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:36:00 -
[906] - Quote
Oh wait, I have plenty of that. I meant popcorn. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2293
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:36:00 -
[907] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:your mental capacity must be rather low.
He signs his posts. Every single one.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
85
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:37:00 -
[908] - Quote
CCP could not possibly have a better scapegoat right now I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal.. |

Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:37:00 -
[909] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly?
I don't think that there will be much left of this 'career'. The media is involved. Right at the moment of this post, it's only MMO-news sites. But as cyber-bullying has been a tragic issue for some time now, the major outlets will likely have articles on it as well. Politicial attention will be gained, and not favorably.
This is all going to happen if nothing further occurs. And we hope that the cyberbully victim does get help, heals and is able to work out a better path of life for himself.
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CEO Rockhound
The Treehugger Corp
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:37:00 -
[910] - Quote
Glockshna Quant wrote:After watching the actual recording of the alliance panel I have to say, you guys are making a big ******* mountain out of a mole hill.
It's not like he brought THAT evemail and ONLY that evemail for the sole purpose of calling this person out. The guy clearly played the sympathy card. He got juked by the goons repeatedly. Deservedly so. But calling for his 'resignation' isn't warranted or even logical here.
Harden the **** up is all I really can say to this.
Are you guys mad about that Macro Miner? Is this what the fuzz is about?
You guys are crazy.
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OfBalance
Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:37:00 -
[911] - Quote
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stoicfaux
817
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:38:00 -
[912] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Sigh...I guess I need to actually find a video of these comments so I know what was *really* said.
Here's what I've been able to dig up, the fanfest video and the purported email: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1003871#post1003871
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:38:00 -
[913] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ I'm kind of curious. In the United States, if a lawyer were found to be this insulting towards someone, knowing full well that they were claiming thoughts of suicide and were claiming they'd go through with it, the lawyer would be having a little ol' BAR hearing if it was found out the lawyer acted improperly (i.e., insulting him and pushing him to actually perform the action of taking his own life). I'm rather curious as to how much it will suck for you if your local BAR (or whatever) found out... I'd be interested to see the regulations that control what a lawyer can say while he is on vacation. Link please?
Actually depending upon the state you can get disbarred for behavior... Not in the capacity of doing your job. Like you can't even take the bar exam if you have prior records etc etc.
I say go old school and let em punch it out in 9 rounds of bar knuckle boxing... Couple O pasty nerds going at it.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
342
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:38:00 -
[914] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Orkasm wrote:your mental capacity must be rather low. He signs his posts. Every single one.
And that's just wrong.
-Xython |

baltec1
868
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:39:00 -
[915] - Quote
Duvida wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? I don't think that there will be much left of this 'career'. The media is involved. Right at the moment of this post, it's only MMO-news sites. But as cyber-bullying has been a tragic issue for some time now, the major outlets will likely have articles on it as well. Politicial attention will be gained, and not favorably. This is all going to happen if nothing further occurs. And we hope that the cyberbully victim does get help, heals and is able to work out a better path of life for himself.
Except that this is not cyber bullying at all. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:39:00 -
[916] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:I'm all out of copporn Pass it around please... |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:39:00 -
[917] - Quote
Duvida wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? I don't think that there will be much left of this 'career'. The media is involved. Right at the moment of this post, it's only MMO-news sites. But as cyber-bullying has been a tragic issue for some time now, the major outlets will likely have articles on it as well. Politicial attention will be gained, and not favorably. This is all going to happen if nothing further occurs. And we hope that the cyberbully victim does get help, heals and is able to work out a better path of life for himself.
The cyber victim seems to be both mad and amused. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:40:00 -
[918] - Quote
I think The Mittani will resign his role as Chairman of the CSM, as it is the only politically expedient thing to do, thus saving face for himself and CCP. |

Tepron
Cobalt Armada Cobalt Holdings Coalition
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:41:00 -
[919] - Quote
Cyber-bullying is only really tragic due to some parents inability to teach their kids how to separate reality from fiction. |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:41:00 -
[920] - Quote
Kattshiro wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ I'm kind of curious. In the United States, if a lawyer were found to be this insulting towards someone, knowing full well that they were claiming thoughts of suicide and were claiming they'd go through with it, the lawyer would be having a little ol' BAR hearing if it was found out the lawyer acted improperly (i.e., insulting him and pushing him to actually perform the action of taking his own life). I'm rather curious as to how much it will suck for you if your local BAR (or whatever) found out... I'd be interested to see the regulations that control what a lawyer can say while he is on vacation. Link please? Actually depending upon the state you can get disbarred for behavior... Not in the capacity of doing your job. Like you can't even take the bar exam if you have prior records etc etc. I say go old school and let em punch it out in 9 rounds of bar knuckle boxing... Couple O pasty nerds going at it.
Yes but it usually has to be far more serious than drunken craptalking about a game of internet spaceships, and more serious like you're going to prison and can no longer perform your duties to your clients. |
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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:41:00 -
[921] - Quote
Lets go for 50... |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
128
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:41:00 -
[922] - Quote
Xython wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Orkasm wrote:
You really are special arn't you, Do you actually lick windows for fun?
You mad because I can walk away from an MMO and you can't? But you're not walking away, are you? You're saying how much you're going to walk away on the forums. Two laws: 1. Anyone saying they're going to kill themselves in a bilateral communication medium (forum, phone, etc) is likely not actually suicidal, they are looking for a reaction. 2. Anyone saying they're going to quit an MMORPG is not actually going to quit the MMORPG, they're just looking for a reaction.
Yes I am walking away from the game. But I will also continue posting here because suicide and bullying is a serious issue that needs addressing and I am dismayed by CCP's lacklustre response. Trust me, you won't see me ingame. |

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
107
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:42:00 -
[923] - Quote
Mittens didn't divulge any personal information (no, your character's name isnt personal information) and there are a multitude of ingame mechanics that let you stop people spamming you persistantly.
Moar tears please, I'm running out of drink. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
342
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:42:00 -
[924] - Quote
Random thought: What's Iceland's Cyber Bullying law state about this? Since this took place in Iceland? And thus American law means diddly ******* SQUAT.
What's that? Iceland doesn't have one?
Sucks to be you, pubbie morons! Looks like you're stuck with the Mittani Mandate for another year. Since, you know, HE GOT MORE VOTES THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE CSM.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3421
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:42:00 -
[925] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Yes I am walking away from the game. But I will also continue posting here because suicide and bullying is a serious issue that needs addressing and I am dismayed by CCP's lacklustre response. Trust me, you won't see me ingame.
cool thanks for paying your sub without consuming any server resources "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:42:00 -
[926] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Xython wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Orkasm wrote:
You really are special arn't you, Do you actually lick windows for fun?
You mad because I can walk away from an MMO and you can't? But you're not walking away, are you? You're saying how much you're going to walk away on the forums. Two laws: 1. Anyone saying they're going to kill themselves in a bilateral communication medium (forum, phone, etc) is likely not actually suicidal, they are looking for a reaction. 2. Anyone saying they're going to quit an MMORPG is not actually going to quit the MMORPG, they're just looking for a reaction. Yes I am walking away from the game. But I will also continue posting here because suicide and bullying is a serious issue that needs addressing and I am dismayed by CCP's lacklustre response. Trust me, you won't see me ingame.
Can I have your stuff? |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2293
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:43:00 -
[927] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote: Yes I am walking away from the game. But I will also continue posting here because suicide and bullying is a serious issue that needs addressing and I am dismayed by CCP's lacklustre response. Trust me, you won't see me ingame.
http://i.imgur.com/pQHAE.png
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
69
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:43:00 -
[928] - Quote
Jade;
I would have been fine with an apology if he had offered it either immediately after he sobered up and realized what he had done, or latest when there first was an outrage. After the "deal with it" comment, I am not so sure there is any way I can justify to myself supporting an organization that leaves him in charge. I will consider it, but this is not a case where I want to quit over this - it's just I am not sure I can feel good about myself if I put money into supporting such things, when the apology would obviously not come from his true feelings but be a PR charade supposed to appease cases like me.
I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this - even for those of them who do not feel that he did anything wrong as such. As someone given the trust of so many he should have in the very least realized that there would be an outrage by players not in his voting body, and played it more nicely.
He's been in the CSM for some time now. Like it or not, he is not "just a player" anymore at events like the Fanfest, and will not be able to be that for some time. He should have acted accordingly. His voters should have been able to trust that he does. |

Zleon Leigh
102
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:44:00 -
[929] - Quote
Xython wrote:Random thought: What's Iceland's Cyber Bullying law state about this? Since this took place in Iceland? And thus American law means diddly ******* SQUAT.
What's that? Iceland doesn't have one?
Sucks to be you, pubbie morons! Looks like you're stuck with the Mittani Mandate for another year. Since, you know, HE GOT MORE VOTES THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE CSM.
CCP's Atlanta office might open them up to US law... Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:44:00 -
[930] - Quote
Heres what I found... Apparently eve players are the lowest scum in the universe...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.357599-Eve-Online-Panel-Encourages-Harassing-Suicidal-Player
I think the :lolcsmchair: might have some problems... Either ways, something's gonna burn lol |
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Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
13
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:45:00 -
[931] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ I'm kind of curious. In the United States, if a lawyer were found to be this insulting towards someone, knowing full well that they were claiming thoughts of suicide and were claiming they'd go through with it, the lawyer would be having a little ol' BAR hearing if it was found out the lawyer acted improperly (i.e., insulting him and pushing him to actually perform the action of taking his own life). I'm rather curious as to how much it will suck for you if your local BAR (or whatever) found out...
Mittens being a lawyer has what to do with any of this? Does that fact make it more serious if he were, say, a chef?
People in New York city gather around the sidewalk when someone is standing on the window ledge threatening to jump from the 'umteenth' floor and yell, "jump, jump, jump, jump," repeatedly. No one is responsible for someone committing suicide. If someone is so mentally unstable that they kill them self over a game they had much much bigger problems and players of the game working within game mechanics and valid game play methods are not the cause.
Agree or disagree with the cooth of what was said the only person responsible for killing them self is THE person committing the self murder.
su-+i-+cide/-êso-Poi-îs-½d/ Noun: The action of killing oneself intentionally: "he committed suicide at the age of forty". Verb: Intentionally kill oneself. Synonyms: noun. self-destruction - self-murder verb. take one's own life - make away with oneself |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:45:00 -
[932] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Jade;
I would have been fine with an apology if he had offered it either immediately after he sobered up and realized what he had done, or latest when there first was an outrage. After the "deal with it" comment, I am not so sure there is any way I can justify to myself supporting an organization that leaves him in charge. I will consider it, but this is not a case where I want to quit over this - it's just I am not sure I can feel good about myself if I put money into supporting such things, when the apology would obviously not come from his true feelings but be a PR charade supposed to appease cases like me.
I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this - even for those of them who do not feel that he did anything wrong as such. As someone given the trust of so many he should have in the very least realized that there would be an outrage by players not in his voting body, and played it more nicely.
He's been in the CSM for some time now. Like it or not, he is not "just a player" anymore at events like the Fanfest, and will not be able to be that for some time. He should have acted accordingly. His voters should have been able to trust that he does. Self-proclaimed egotistical jerk acts like egotistical jerk. Water is wet, and fire is discovered to be hot. News at 11. |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
252
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:45:00 -
[933] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Xython wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Orkasm wrote:
You really are special arn't you, Do you actually lick windows for fun?
You mad because I can walk away from an MMO and you can't? But you're not walking away, are you? You're saying how much you're going to walk away on the forums. Two laws: 1. Anyone saying they're going to kill themselves in a bilateral communication medium (forum, phone, etc) is likely not actually suicidal, they are looking for a reaction. 2. Anyone saying they're going to quit an MMORPG is not actually going to quit the MMORPG, they're just looking for a reaction. Yes I am walking away from the game. But I will also continue posting here because suicide and bullying is a serious issue that needs addressing and I am dismayed by CCP's lacklustre response. Trust me, you won't see me ingame.
you are threatening e-suicide because someone who threatened suicide was not defended fast enough
this thread has just gone meta |

OfBalance
Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:45:00 -
[934] - Quote
Liberal media conspiracy! |

Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:46:00 -
[935] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2293
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:48:00 -
[936] - Quote
Zleon Leigh wrote:Xython wrote:Random thought: What's Iceland's Cyber Bullying law state about this? Since this took place in Iceland? And thus American law means diddly ******* SQUAT.
What's that? Iceland doesn't have one?
Sucks to be you, pubbie morons! Looks like you're stuck with the Mittani Mandate for another year. Since, you know, HE GOT MORE VOTES THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE CSM.
CCP's Atlanta office might open them up to US law...
Except that there were no laws broken. It's not illegal to make fun of stupid people.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Shandir
Ferocious Felines
58
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:48:00 -
[937] - Quote
Tepron wrote:Cyber-bullying is only really tragic due to some parents inability to teach their kids how to separate reality from fiction. Wrong. Very very wrong. Bullying is bullying regardless of context and it has no place in society. Anyone who condones or apologises this behavior is scum, pure and simple. That now includes you.
I think we all know that the person being mocked was probably not serious, but that gives you the right to ignore them - not the right to see how far you can push them. Because you cannot know that, and it's the cases (and they exist) where the person was serious that matter.
People on the internet are still people. Sometimes we forget that. It's not okay. |

stoicfaux
817
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:48:00 -
[938] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote: Yes I am walking away from the game. But I will also continue posting here because suicide and bullying is a serious issue that needs addressing and I am dismayed by CCP's lacklustre response. Trust me, you won't see me ingame.
Dude, CCP just got back from fanfest to find a steaming pile of poo on their doorstep. Give them some time to get themselves organized, to investigate, and to decide on their response before condemning them. After all, hastily spoken and poorly considered words are what started this avalanche.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
|

OfBalance
Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:48:00 -
[939] - Quote
It's ok guys, we've got damage control over on TheEscapist:
Quote:Haha, none of you neckbeards have even watched the presentation.
:BOOSH:
  
(And let's hope they don't because goddamn it was boring as hell otherwise) |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
343
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:48:00 -
[940] - Quote
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what?
I don't feel betrayed by him at all. He represents the best of EVE. |
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:49:00 -
[941] - Quote
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? Which part was unclear?
|

Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:50:00 -
[942] - Quote
Xython wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? I don't feel betrayed by him at all. He represents the best of EVE.
No, he doesn't.
Not necessarily a bad thing though. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2293
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:50:00 -
[943] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? Which part was unclear?
The part where you think everybody who voted for him feels betrayed.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
98
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:50:00 -
[944] - Quote
The longer CCP takes to get a stance in this issue the more credebility they will lose.
As per their own rules enticement to harassement is not allowed. Mittens called out to harass. Be the player unstable or not doesn't matter.
Also saying he was there as CEO of Goonswarm and not as CSM chair holds no bar. At this moment he can't be seen apart from the chair and as such has certain guidelines to follow. he chose not to.
Saying it was drunk banther also doesn't cut it. Nobody forced him to to get drunk and step over the line. Both choices were made by him. Even though the choice to cross the line might be influenced by his drinking the drinking happened on his own account. Nobody forced him to get drunk.
As for intent. He brought that particular mail to the presentation. This was deliberate as to ridicule that player. Any actions, expressions or discourse after this was a result of a deliberate action to ridicule a player. Since we also are fully aware of Goonswarm and pet's sort of playstyle the mere mention of his name and the mail would already result in overly ganking and scamming attention to that player by Goonswarm and pets.
By blatantly calling out to harass that player and giving that players ingame details he crossed a line which according to the rules isn't crossable.
Let's see how they will wiggle their way out of this one.
Edit: Also calling out howmany voted for him is irrelevant. The votes were in before the incident. Want to take a new vote and see howmany accounts will vote less for him now? |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
60
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:51:00 -
[945] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? Which part was unclear?
I am Part of the 10k I am not betrayed, Please amend your figure.
DEAR LEADER. |

thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:51:00 -
[946] - Quote
Xython wrote:Random thought: What's Iceland's Cyber Bullying law state about this? Since this took place in Iceland? And thus American law means diddly ******* SQUAT.
What's that? Iceland doesn't have one?
Iceland may not have laws- but they do adhere to EU laws that contain laws on cyber bullying. Dont ask me to provide you a link- google it yourself- i'm not lazy- its just that trying to get goons to retain information is like trying to make water stay in a sieve- it just never happens. I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal.. |

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
93
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:51:00 -
[947] - Quote
Duvida wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? I don't think that there will be much left of this 'career'. The media is involved. Right at the moment of this post, it's only MMO-news sites. But as cyber-bullying has been a tragic issue for some time now, the major outlets will likely have articles on it as well. Politicial attention will be gained, and not favorably. This is all going to happen if nothing further occurs. And we hope that the cyberbully victim does get help, heals and is able to work out a better path of life for himself. ^ Pritty much this.
If for some reason one of the big news traders has no better "news" he might tigger this and once it is in the real world media ... can CCP realy keep a CSM Chairman like him when someone uses http://ireport.cnn.com/ for excample?
8:00 pm news: "CSM Chairman calls to hersam a suizidal guy till he kills himselve"? Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:51:00 -
[948] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? Which part was unclear?
No, no. Everything was quite easy to understand - that's exactly why I'm grinning. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
250
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:51:00 -
[949] - Quote
Them Duke boys are in trouble now~! |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
183
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:51:00 -
[950] - Quote
I wonder what sony is going to think and say about this.
thats the Multi million dollar question. |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
343
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:52:00 -
[951] - Quote
Shandir wrote:Tepron wrote:Cyber-bullying is only really tragic due to some parents inability to teach their kids how to separate reality from fiction. Wrong. Very very wrong. Bullying is bullying regardless of context and it has no place in society. Anyone who condones or apologises this behavior is scum, pure and simple. That now includes you. I think we all know that the person being mocked was probably not serious, but that gives you the right to ignore them - not the right to see how far you can push them. Because you cannot know that, and it's the cases (and they exist) where the person was serious that matter. People on the internet are still people. Sometimes we forget that. It's not okay.
I just realized this is the same argument that these pubbie idiots had about Suicide Ganking and Scamming and really anything that happens in the Sandbox other than "I AM HIT MACRO BUTTON, AM GET TEH FAT LOOT."
"Goons shot my ice bot, meanies!"
"Goons shot my rookie ship carrying 75 plexes, meanies!"
"Goons sold me a nonexistant Titan cause I'm too stupid to check or use escrow, meanies!"
"Goons mocked the morbidly obese king of all Ice Bots (22 accounts are you ******* kidding me) after he tried to guilt trip them, meanies!"
Have you guys ever considered the only common thread behind all these is that you need to harden the **** up? |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:52:00 -
[952] - Quote
Thread naught rolls on! |

baltec1
868
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:52:00 -
[953] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Which part was unclear?
The part where you spoke for 10,000 other people. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:52:00 -
[954] - Quote
KEEP ON CHOOGLIN
EnderCapitalAsshole  |

OfBalance
Caldari State
250
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:53:00 -
[955] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:I wonder what sony is going to think and say about this.
thats the Multi million dollar question.
"Have you re-considered our expansive RMT scheme?" |

Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:53:00 -
[956] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Xython wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Orkasm wrote:
You really are special arn't you, Do you actually lick windows for fun?
You mad because I can walk away from an MMO and you can't? But you're not walking away, are you? You're saying how much you're going to walk away on the forums. Two laws: 1. Anyone saying they're going to kill themselves in a bilateral communication medium (forum, phone, etc) is likely not actually suicidal, they are looking for a reaction. 2. Anyone saying they're going to quit an MMORPG is not actually going to quit the MMORPG, they're just looking for a reaction. Yes I am walking away from the game. But I will also continue posting here because suicide and bullying is a serious issue that needs addressing and I am dismayed by CCP's lacklustre response. Trust me, you won't see me ingame. Get out already will you..... |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:53:00 -
[957] - Quote
Zleon Leigh wrote:Xython wrote:Random thought: What's Iceland's Cyber Bullying law state about this? Since this took place in Iceland? And thus American law means diddly ******* SQUAT.
What's that? Iceland doesn't have one?
Sucks to be you, pubbie morons! Looks like you're stuck with the Mittani Mandate for another year. Since, you know, HE GOT MORE VOTES THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE CSM.
CCP's Atlanta office might open them up to US law...
Where'd you get your law degree?
They're going to prosecute Mittens, but right now they're too busy dealing with Andrew W. K., and Timbaland, oh and Reginald Edison
http://twitter.com/#!/J_Rock_daddy/statuses/145880784237105152
oh and this girl too
http://twitter.com/#!/adoringomez/status/184369892735197185
her too
http://twitter.com/#!/ItsSLI
Sorry, I think they're just too backed up right now to get to internet spaceships, once they've gotten though the backlog of twitter I'm sure they'll get to him. |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
252
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:53:00 -
[958] - Quote
thekiller2002us wrote:Xython wrote:Random thought: What's Iceland's Cyber Bullying law state about this? Since this took place in Iceland? And thus American law means diddly ******* SQUAT.
What's that? Iceland doesn't have one?
Iceland may or may not have cyber bullying laws- but they are a member state of the European Union and the EU have laws on cyber bullying. Dont ask me to provide you a link- google it yourself- i'm not lazy- its just that trying to get goons to retain information is like trying to make water stay in a sieve- it just never happens.
it's ok if i harass goons but goons aren't allowed to harass anyone ever |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:53:00 -
[959] - Quote
Xython wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? I don't feel betrayed by him at all. He represents the best of EVE. Think about this: even if you do not think he did anything wrong, a lot of people in EVE, in the community he is supposed to represent, by your vote and your mandate, do. He is an experienced CSM member; he should have been aware that there are some rules of conduct and that what he does will cause an outrage. He has caused serious damage to the game by the media scandal.
I think that counts as "betrayal" even if you agree with the initial action. You might not have been able to expect the reaction of the playerbase or the media - but he should have, if he was worthy of your trust as a representative of the game and its community. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
60
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:54:00 -
[960] - Quote
I'm calling 50 pages easy, not sure about 75 before the pubbie kiddies have to go to bed. |
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Blinking Duck
The Kurian Order
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:54:00 -
[961] - Quote
I was joking when I started my FEAR post, but, wow
There really is fear from these Goon posters!
FEAR!
I am enjoying this. I know this makes me a bastage but I am enjoying the fear. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
251
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:54:00 -
[962] - Quote
I can't keep up with this thread, back to work~
o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7 m8m8m8m8m8 |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
121
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:55:00 -
[963] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Heres what I found... Apparently eve players are the lowest scum in the universe...
Not surprising really, when you have a player elected by players and players alts and representing the player base acting in such a manner. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2297
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:55:00 -
[964] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Edit: Also calling out howmany voted for him is irrelevant. The votes were in before the incident. Want to take a new vote and see howmany accounts will vote less for him now?
He would still win in a landslide.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
35
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:55:00 -
[965] - Quote
OfBalance wrote:RougeOperator wrote:I wonder what sony is going to think and say about this.
thats the Multi million dollar question. "Have you re-considered our expansive RMT scheme?" Goonswarm causes CCP to sell company to sony who implements cash shop. Is that winning eve? |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
345
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:55:00 -
[966] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Xython wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? I don't feel betrayed by him at all. He represents the best of EVE. Think about this: even if you do not think he did anything wrong, a lot of people in EVE, in the community he is supposed to represent, by your vote and your mandate, do. He is an experienced CSM member; he should have been aware that there are some rules of conduct and that what he does will cause an outrage. He has caused serious damage to the game by the media scandal. I think that counts as "betrayal" even if you agree with the initial action. You might not have been able to expect the reaction of the playerbase or the media - but he should have, if he was worthy of your trust as a representative of the game and its community.
No, a lot of chickenshit cowards who are too scared to post under their real characters are mad. But they literally don't matter, in the least. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:55:00 -
[967] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:I'm calling 50 pages easy, not sure about 75 before the pubbie kiddies have to go to bed.
I say 100, at least.
EnderCapitalFriend  |

Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:55:00 -
[968] - Quote
DON'T WORRY PUBBIE FRIENDS! We are fixing this internally as we speak. |

baltec1
868
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:56:00 -
[969] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Think about this: even if you do not think he did anything wrong, a lot of people in EVE, in the community he is supposed to represent, by your vote and your mandate, do. He is an experienced CSM member; he should have been aware that there are some rules of conduct and that what he does will cause an outrage. He has caused serious damage to the game by the media scandal.
I think that counts as "betrayal" even if you agree with the initial action. You might not have been able to expect the reaction of the playerbase or the media - but he should have, if he was worthy of your trust as a representative of the game and its community.
Its a handfull of alts posting all over the place and a bunch of MMO sites that post just about anything as news. |

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:56:00 -
[970] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Orkasm wrote:I'm calling 50 pages easy, not sure about 75 before the pubbie kiddies have to go to bed. I say 100, at least.  EnderCapitalFriend 
125 Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
345
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:57:00 -
[971] - Quote
Blinking Duck wrote:I was joking when I started my FEAR post, but, wow
There really is fear from these Goon posters!
FEAR!
I am enjoying this. I know this makes me a bastage but I am enjoying the fear.
Don't mistake our laughing and trolling and FOFOFOFOFOFOFOing at the hilarious overreaction from GOON-SCANDAL-#9513 by morons to be fear.
Mittani's fine, he's in charge of CSM7 (Deal with it, because he got THE LARGEST MANDATE IN CSM HISTORY), and there's absolutely nothing you pubbies can do about it. |

Blinking Duck
The Kurian Order
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:57:00 -
[972] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Orkasm wrote:I'm calling 50 pages easy, not sure about 75 before the pubbie kiddies have to go to bed. I say 100, at least.  EnderCapitalFriend 
FEAR! :) |

Zanmaru
Broski North Black Legion.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:57:00 -
[973] - Quote
The OP is a whiny pubbie who thinks he's more important than he is.
But at least he didn't encourage thousands of EveTV viewers to harass a suicidal divorcee.
+1 |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2297
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:57:00 -
[974] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Think about this: even if you do not think he did anything wrong, a lot of people in EVE, in the community he is supposed to represent, by your vote and your mandate, do
I see the same half dozen people making posts and threads about it (and they are all people who had an agenda against Goons long before fanfest). Most of the Eve community realizes that he did nothing wrong.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
345
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:57:00 -
[975] - Quote
Charles Case wrote:DON'T WORRY PUBBIE FRIENDS! We are fixing this internally as we speak.
How long until the solid gold statue of Mittani and 6 pack of strippers arrives at his doorstep, anyway? |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
345
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:58:00 -
[976] - Quote
Zanmaru wrote:The OP is a whiny pubbie who thinks he's more important than he is.
But at least he didn't encourage thousands of EveTV viewers to harass a suicidal divorcee.
+1
If you're honestly stupid enough to think he actually is a suicidal divorcee, than you probably belong in an NPC corp someplace. Or RaidenDOT. |

Blinking Duck
The Kurian Order
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:58:00 -
[977] - Quote
Xython wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:I was joking when I started my FEAR post, but, wow
There really is fear from these Goon posters!
FEAR!
I am enjoying this. I know this makes me a bastage but I am enjoying the fear. Don't mistake our laughing and trolling and FOFOFOFOFOFOFOing at the hilarious overreaction from GOON-SCANDAL-#9513 by morons to be fear. Mittani's fine, he's in charge of CSM7 (Deal with it, because he got THE LARGEST MANDATE IN CSM HISTORY), and there's absolutely nothing you pubbies can do about it.
Oh, don't take me too seriously. I actually like the Mittani.
He *is* history though, and I think you all know this. You are posting here hoping it will help it go away.
If there is one thing I have faith in this world - it is PC over-reaction and he will most likely taste this. |

Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:59:00 -
[978] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Xython wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? I don't feel betrayed by him at all. He represents the best of EVE. Think about this: even if you do not think he did anything wrong, a lot of people in EVE, in the community he is supposed to represent, by your vote and your mandate, do. He is an experienced CSM member; he should have been aware that there are some rules of conduct and that what he does will cause an outrage. He has caused serious damage to the game by the media scandal. I think that counts as "betrayal" even if you agree with the initial action. You might not have been able to expect the reaction of the playerbase or the media - but he should have, if he was worthy of your trust as a representative of the game and its community.
Serious question here... Can you look at your post and not laugh?
Also, what media scandal? If I didn't watch the stream or read this forum, I doubt I'd ever even heard about it. |

CEO Rockhound
The Treehugger Corp
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 20:59:00 -
[979] - Quote
going for the gold |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1056
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:00:00 -
[980] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
Do us all a favor and step down. CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
72
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:00:00 -
[981] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Think about this: even if you do not think he did anything wrong, a lot of people in EVE, in the community he is supposed to represent, by your vote and your mandate, do. He is an experienced CSM member; he should have been aware that there are some rules of conduct and that what he does will cause an outrage. He has caused serious damage to the game by the media scandal.
I think that counts as "betrayal" even if you agree with the initial action. You might not have been able to expect the reaction of the playerbase or the media - but he should have, if he was worthy of your trust as a representative of the game and its community.
Its a handfull of alts posting all over the place and a bunch of MMO sites that post just about anything as news. Who you calling an alt, noob? :P
Seriously, I hope you guys are right and this is a minor issue. Because currently I am afraid that no matter what CCP does, a lot of people will end up leaving. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2297
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:00:00 -
[982] - Quote
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Also, what media scandal?
He's probably talking about the blog post that somebody made that has been copied and pasted to some gaming-related websites. If they ever get around to fact-checking the story they are going to be embarrassed.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
252
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:01:00 -
[983] - Quote
hey guys whats going on in this thread |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
345
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:01:00 -
[984] - Quote
Blinking Duck wrote:Xython wrote:Blinking Duck wrote:I was joking when I started my FEAR post, but, wow
There really is fear from these Goon posters!
FEAR!
I am enjoying this. I know this makes me a bastage but I am enjoying the fear. Don't mistake our laughing and trolling and FOFOFOFOFOFOFOing at the hilarious overreaction from GOON-SCANDAL-#9513 by morons to be fear. Mittani's fine, he's in charge of CSM7 (Deal with it, because he got THE LARGEST MANDATE IN CSM HISTORY), and there's absolutely nothing you pubbies can do about it. Oh, don't take me too seriously. I actually like the Mittani. He *is* history though, and I think you all know this. You are posting here hoping it will help it go away. If there is one thing I have faith in this world - it is PC over-reaction and he will most likely taste this.
Actually we're posting in here because the impotent rage of a bunch of macroing idiots is adorable, and it's hilarious to see threads like this hit 50, 100 pages. You guys are noticing that most of the posts are now goons mocking you or people pointing out that you're all wrong, right? |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:01:00 -
[985] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Do us all a favor and step down.
You should step down for breaking NDA last year, as well. |

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
93
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:01:00 -
[986] - Quote
Harrigan VonStudly wrote:People in New York city gather around the sidewalk when someone is standing on the window ledge threatening to jump from the 'umteenth' floor and yell, "jump, jump, jump, jump," repeatedly. No one is responsible for someone committing suicide.
If it is handled like this in the USA it's just another reason not to like the USA (they have one of the worst reputaionts anyway allready worldwide).
In many EU countrys it might happen the same way (people shout "jump") BUT as soon as the police rescued the one who want to jump they star to analyse videos and may start prosecution. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

CEO Rockhound
The Treehugger Corp
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:01:00 -
[987] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Do us all a favor and step down.
Do us all a favor and go to the beach. |

Meno Theaetetus
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
27
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:01:00 -
[988] - Quote
All this talk talk about Mittani stepping out of line is having a serious effect on my mental well being, I just don't think I can go on much longer with the constant barrage against the good name of our beloved leader.
Please I beg of you stop posting bad stuff about him or I can't be held accountable for what I do to myself. If you do hold yourself accountable for other people's well being, as you have been saying, you will stop this right now for my sake.
Do you really want my suicide on your conscience?
|

Blinking Duck
The Kurian Order
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:02:00 -
[989] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Do us all a favor and step down.
PRICELESS! Darius is here!
Woot! |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
345
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:02:00 -
[990] - Quote
EI Digin wrote:hey guys whats going on in this thread
We're about to start up a Succession Game of Dwarf Fortress. What would you suggest, I was thinking of finding a nice Undead Island and trying to dominate it. |
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Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:02:00 -
[991] - Quote
The Titan nerf thread was growing faster than this, I'm disappointed. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1428
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:02:00 -
[992] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? Which part was unclear? The part where you think everybody who voted for him feels betrayed.
That isn't what she said. You are inferring that the voters have the good sense to feel betrayed whereas she is simply saying they were betrayed.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1311
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:02:00 -
[993] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Orkasm wrote:I'm calling 50 pages easy, not sure about 75 before the pubbie kiddies have to go to bed. I say 100, at least.  EnderCapitalFriend 
Yikes, this has the potential to pass my ambulation thread!!!! 
Issler |

DarthNefarius
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:02:00 -
[994] - Quote
wow did 50 pages get deleted from this thread?!?!
Here's a website from the characters bio whom mittens wanted people to hunt down http://thundershyne.posterous.com/getting-my-new-eye I guess his ex wife went blind or something? Unless I got the name wrong ( sorta doubtful mittens spelled it out ) "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |

Blinking Duck
The Kurian Order
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:02:00 -
[995] - Quote
Triskian wrote:The Titan nerf thread was growing faster than this, I'm disappointed.
FEAR! |

Zanmaru
Broski North Black Legion.
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:02:00 -
[996] - Quote
Xython wrote:Zanmaru wrote:The OP is a whiny pubbie who thinks he's more important than he is.
But at least he didn't encourage thousands of EveTV viewers to harass a suicidal divorcee.
+1 If you're honestly stupid enough to think he actually is a suicidal divorcee, than you probably belong in an NPC corp someplace. Or RaidenDOT.
Quite a leap in logic, bro. I won't elaborate on my argument because many others have done so for me in this thread. I'm sensing a serious disconnect from the real world in many of you. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:03:00 -
[997] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Do us all a favor and step down.
Leak more info over it fuckwit |

Rogan Otsolen
The 22nd Jenquai Deep Space Corp Checkmate.
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:03:00 -
[998] - Quote
Umm,no he didn't.
As someone who works in the healthcare field and deals with issues like this a lot, I find his actions deplorable to say the least and removal from the CSM should be at the very least done to him if not a perma ban.
And he or his don't like my comments then I don't give a ****.
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine
|

CEO Rockhound
The Treehugger Corp
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:03:00 -
[999] - Quote
All this talk talk about Mittani stepping out of line is having a serious effect on my mental well being, I just don't think I can go on much longer with the constant barrage against the good name of our beloved leader.
Please I beg of you stop posting bad stuff about him or I can't be held accountable for what I do to myself. If you do hold yourself accountable for other people's well being, as you have been saying, you will stop this right now for my sake.
Do you really want my suicide on your conscience? |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1039
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:03:00 -
[1000] - Quote
Xython wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Xython wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? I don't feel betrayed by him at all. He represents the best of EVE. Think about this: even if you do not think he did anything wrong, a lot of people in EVE, in the community he is supposed to represent, by your vote and your mandate, do. He is an experienced CSM member; he should have been aware that there are some rules of conduct and that what he does will cause an outrage. He has caused serious damage to the game by the media scandal. I think that counts as "betrayal" even if you agree with the initial action. You might not have been able to expect the reaction of the playerbase or the media - but he should have, if he was worthy of your trust as a representative of the game and its community. No, a lot of chickenshit cowards who are too scared to post under their real characters are mad. But they literally don't matter, in the least.
Scared.
Like how many times you jumped corp to avoid wars before becoming a pet?
Mr Epeen  Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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Livini Naship
Eve Ryuken Spacelane Consortium
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:03:00 -
[1001] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Think about this: even if you do not think he did anything wrong, a lot of people in EVE, in the community he is supposed to represent, by your vote and your mandate, do I see the same half dozen people making posts and threads about it (and they are all people who had an agenda against Goons long before fanfest). Most of the Eve community realizes that he did nothing wrong.
wrong |

Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
477
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:03:00 -
[1002] - Quote
~fart~ |

CEO Rockhound
The Treehugger Corp
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:03:00 -
[1003] - Quote
NO
|

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:03:00 -
[1004] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Do us all a favor and step down.
~by the guy who broke NDA to leak **** to Riverini Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
345
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:03:00 -
[1005] - Quote
Triskian wrote:The Titan nerf thread was growing faster than this, I'm disappointed.
They were too busy losing titans to Goons to post. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:03:00 -
[1006] - Quote
Question is are the 10k votes gong to matter... |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
61
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:04:00 -
[1007] - Quote
posting |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
345
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:04:00 -
[1008] - Quote
Livini Naship wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Think about this: even if you do not think he did anything wrong, a lot of people in EVE, in the community he is supposed to represent, by your vote and your mandate, do I see the same half dozen people making posts and threads about it (and they are all people who had an agenda against Goons long before fanfest). Most of the Eve community realizes that he did nothing wrong. wrong
right |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
345
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:04:00 -
[1009] - Quote
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2297
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:04:00 -
[1010] - Quote
CEO Rockhound wrote:All this talk talk about Mittani stepping out of line is having a serious effect on my mental well being, I just don't think I can go on much longer with the constant barrage against the good name of our beloved leader.
Please I beg of you stop posting bad stuff about him or I can't be held accountable for what I do to myself. If you do hold yourself accountable for other people's well being, as you have been saying, you will stop this right now for my sake.
Do you really want my suicide on your conscience?
Reading bad posts has been shown to cause depression. CCP should do something. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
184
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:04:00 -
[1011] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:I'm calling 50 pages easy, not sure about 75 before the pubbie kiddies have to go to bed.
SONY?
|

Aktaku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:04:00 -
[1012] - Quote
CEO Rockhound wrote:All this talk talk about Mittani stepping out of line is having a serious effect on my mental well being, I just don't think I can go on much longer with the constant barrage against the good name of our beloved leader.
Please I beg of you stop posting bad stuff about him or I can't be held accountable for what I do to myself. If you do hold yourself accountable for other people's well being, as you have been saying, you will stop this right now for my sake.
Do you really want my suicide on your conscience?
If The MIttani is made to step down, may Rockhound's blood be on your hands and the hands of your children! |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
252
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:04:00 -
[1013] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Do us all a favor and step down.
name one thing you have done as csm ever |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1355
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:05:00 -
[1014] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Orkasm wrote:I'm calling 50 pages easy, not sure about 75 before the pubbie kiddies have to go to bed. I say 100, at least.  EnderCapitalFriend  Yikes, this has the potential to pass my ambulation thread!!!!  Issler And in 1/1000 of the time!
50 pages already...sheesh... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
345
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:05:00 -
[1015] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:CEO Rockhound wrote:All this talk talk about Mittani stepping out of line is having a serious effect on my mental well being, I just don't think I can go on much longer with the constant barrage against the good name of our beloved leader.
Please I beg of you stop posting bad stuff about him or I can't be held accountable for what I do to myself. If you do hold yourself accountable for other people's well being, as you have been saying, you will stop this right now for my sake.
Do you really want my suicide on your conscience? Reading bad posts has been shown to cause depression. CCP should do something.
Ya know, I would like a setting that just blocks all NPC corp posts en mass. Just auto-hides them. Would clean up these forums quite nicely. |

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
142
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:05:00 -
[1016] - Quote
Im interested in the aftermath going to be funney either way. After ccp make a decision there is going to be some butt hurt and tears either way. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
61
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:05:00 -
[1017] - Quote
EI Digin wrote:Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Do us all a favor and step down. name one thing you have done as csm ever
Broken the NDA |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
349
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:06:00 -
[1018] - Quote
EI Digin wrote:Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Do us all a favor and step down. name one thing you have done as csm ever
He broke the NDA to leak data to RIverini. |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:07:00 -
[1019] - Quote
People who kill themselves over internet spaceships are probably not going to win at the game of life anyhow, regardless of the involvement of a big mean Mitten.
A bloo bloo bloo waaaaahhh. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:08:00 -
[1020] - Quote
Can I make a post? |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3423
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:08:00 -
[1021] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Do us all a favor and step down.
Do us all a favor and step down. You're useless irl "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:08:00 -
[1022] - Quote
please calm down |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2300
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:08:00 -
[1023] - Quote
I love seeing the second-class CSM members piping up in here thinking that if Mittens steps down they will get a free trip to Iceland. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Silas Kautsuo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:08:00 -
[1024] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned That's exactly what is happening in all of these threads.
Harlot, do yourself a favour and just shut the hell up, you're defending a cretin who has no clue. You're trying way too hard and nobody really cares, he's shown his true colours, until now most of us could take or leave Mittens but now, he's proved he's not worthy of being on the CSM.
You're pathetic attempts to defend this action aren't working, sorry and all that. Adapt or die. |

Vhaine Vhindiscar
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:09:00 -
[1025] - Quote
This guy is a wizard. Also, ....
~10,058~
|

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1062
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:09:00 -
[1026] - Quote
#1 There was no leak of NDA in CSM 6. Even the Devs said so
#2 Thanks Mittani for the work you did in CSM 6, you will be missed my dear friend and CSM 7 will have to work hard to make up for your absence. CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:09:00 -
[1027] - Quote
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/410871/heres-a-goodun#tab=featured |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
349
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:10:00 -
[1028] - Quote
Vhaine Vhindiscar wrote:~10,058~
DEAL WITH IT, NERDS |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:10:00 -
[1029] - Quote
Silas Kautsuo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned That's exactly what is happening in all of these threads. Harlot, do yourself a favour and just shut the hell up, you're defending a cretin who has no clue. You're trying way too hard and nobody really cares, he's shown his true colours, until now most of us could take or leave Mittens but now, he's proved he's not worthy of being on the CSM. You're pathetic attempts to defend this action aren't working, sorry and all that. Adapt or die.
Who are you and why are you relevant? |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:10:00 -
[1030] - Quote
Ever seen so many goons posting at once? Me neither lol |
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:10:00 -
[1031] - Quote
Darius III wrote:#1 There was no leak of NDA in CSM 6. Even the Devs said so  #2 Thanks Mittani for the work you did in CSM 6, you will be missed my dear friend and CSM 7 will have to work hard to make up for your absence.
You truly are the Bitterest ******. Except for elitist ops. Maube |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:10:00 -
[1032] - Quote
Rogan Otsolen wrote:Umm,no he didn't. As someone who works in the healthcare field and deals with issues like this a lot, I find his actions deplorable to say the least and removal from the CSM should be at the very least done to him if not a perma ban. And he or his don't like my comments then I don't give a ****. Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine
Exactly. I have worked in the area of mental health, and on the ward we say "there but for the grace of god go I" Why? Quite simply because we could also be struck down with a mental health problem no one is immune from it and there is no vaccination for it.
Unless you have experienced mental health problems are a relative of or worked with said people you have no idea how easy it is to tip someone over the line. Picking on people with mental health issues is the last bigotry that seems to be accepted. What would you be saying if he encourged people to harass someone due to their gender or colour of their skin? If it is any different from this then you are hypocrites.
Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
349
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:10:00 -
[1033] - Quote
Darius III wrote:#1 There was no leak of NDA in CSM 6. Even the Devs said so  #2 Thanks Mittani for the work you did in CSM 6, you will be missed my dear friend and CSM 7 will have to work hard to make up for your absence.
You might be a CSM, but you're still a complete ******* moron. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
187
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:10:00 -
[1034] - Quote
Andski wrote:Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Do us all a favor and step down. Do us all a favor and step down. You're useless irl
SONY?
Wonder what they think about people advocating people pushing others into killing themselves IRL. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3423
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:10:00 -
[1035] - Quote
Darius III wrote:#1 There was no leak of NDA in CSM 6. Even the Devs said so  #2 Thanks Mittani for the work you did in CSM 6, you will be missed my dear friend and CSM 7 will have to work hard to make up for your absence.
you're still useless "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
538
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:11:00 -
[1036] - Quote
i think the best part of this thread are the npc corp proles who think they're going to nail Mittani on legalese |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:11:00 -
[1037] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? Neither since he didn't do anything wrong.
Wrong, He did something wrong, he tried to start an event to get someone to kill themselves, that is wrong. It does not matter how you spin it, it is wrong to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. End of Debate.
Your parents failed as parents if you do not understand someting as simple as this. Everyone should know right from wrong at this point in their life, if not your parents were bad parents. It is wrong to try and gather a group of people who's goal is to push someone to kill themselves. How is that not wrong?
Reguardless of this being a video game or not, trying to get someone to kill themselves is WRONG.
You need to get a clue. Idiots like you are the problem with the world, too dumb to know how stupid they are. |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:11:00 -
[1038] - Quote
Goons posting? NOT ON MY WATCH. |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
252
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:11:00 -
[1039] - Quote
Darius III wrote:#1 There was no leak of NDA in CSM 6. Even the Devs said so  #2 Thanks Mittani for the work you did in CSM 6, you will be missed my dear friend and CSM 7 will have to work hard to make up for your absence.
time to get to work y'all
*does nothing for an entire year* |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
349
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:12:00 -
[1040] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that.
Was it said in game?
No?
DEAL WITH IT.
|
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Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
82
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:12:00 -
[1041] - Quote
if you really feel strongly about this then get to jita and join the protest... otherwise it all means nothing |

Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:12:00 -
[1042] - Quote
And Internet voting fraud also????? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
187
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:12:00 -
[1043] - Quote
Silas Kautsuo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned That's exactly what is happening in all of these threads. Harlot, do yourself a favour and just shut the hell up, you're defending a cretin who has no clue. You're trying way too hard and nobody really cares, he's shown his true colours, until now most of us could take or leave Mittens but now, he's proved he's not worthy of being on the CSM. You're pathetic attempts to defend this action aren't working, sorry and all that. Adapt or die.
Mittens blew it bit time. Plain and simple.
That you are still defending him is rather disturbing at this point. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
349
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:12:00 -
[1044] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:i think the best part of this thread are the npc corp proles who think they're going to nail Mittani on legalese
Yes, they're going to nail the lawyer on a legal technicality.
At least these sockpuppets dream BIG, amirite? |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:13:00 -
[1045] - Quote
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/410871/heres-a-goodun#tab=featured |

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:13:00 -
[1046] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote:please calm down OR WHAT? YOU'LL PUT ME IN THAT ROOM AGAIN AND FORCE THOSE THINGS DOWN MY THROAT? "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Silas Kautsuo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:13:00 -
[1047] - Quote
Xython wrote:Vhaine Vhindiscar wrote:~10,058~
DEAL WITH IT, NERDS
Quite ironic coming from a group that keep telling others that alts are irrelevant. Pity the voting was this week instead of beofre FF, no more pond scum Mittani. |

Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:13:00 -
[1048] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? Neither since he didn't do anything wrong. Wrong, He did something wrong, he tried to start an event to get someone to kill themselves, that is wrong. It does not matter how you spin it, it is wrong to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. End of Debate. Your parents failed as parents if you do not understand someting as simple as this. Everyone should know right from wrong at this point in their life, if not your parents were bad parents. It is wrong to try and gather a group of people who's goal is to push someone to kill themselves. How is that not wrong? Reguardless of this being a video game or not, trying to get someone to kill themselves is WRONG. You need to get a clue. Idiots like you are the problem with the world, too dumb to know how stupid they are.
He didn't try and get anyone to do anything. Did you even watch the panel? |

Kimmiy Kimasre
University of Caille Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:13:00 -
[1049] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:[If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions. You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? My moral code is far different from your moral code. You are not allowed to define what my moral code is and that's a fact of life. Morality has always been subjective to interpretation and how we define things to be good and bad on a case by case basis. For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day. "I'm going to kill myself." "Okay. And?"
Society determines morality through law and standards of behavior. It is negotiable, but not in the way that you seem to think it is. You do not have the privilege of living in a bubble, completely isolated from the rest of the world. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
349
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:14:00 -
[1050] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:if you really feel strongly about this then get to jita and join the protest... otherwise it all means nothing
YES, PLEASE DO THIS.
We need all of you idiots to cluster together, and spend a good enough time there cause I'm having trouble getting enough GiveAShit together to get a bomber or two down to Jita to reach out and skullfuck someone.
Please, PLEASE cluster around that statue and remain there for, say, 45 more minutes?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2300
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:14:00 -
[1051] - Quote
Darius III wrote:#1 There was no leak of NDA in CSM 6. Even the Devs said so  #2 Thanks Mittani for the work you did in CSM 6, you will be missed my dear friend and CSM 7 will have to work hard to make up for your absence.
Darius III desperate to remain relevent. Enjoy being frozen out of CSM 7...you and Issler can whine about it together. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:14:00 -
[1052] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:wow did 50 pages get deleted from this thread?!?! Here's a website from the characters bio whom mittens wanted people to hunt down http://thundershyne.posterous.com/getting-my-new-eye I guess his ex wife went blind or something? Unless I got the name wrong ( sorta doubtful mittens spelled it out )
Ah so to protest cyberbullying, you post his real life info. Time to investigate you. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
187
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:14:00 -
[1053] - Quote
Xython wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that. Was it said in game? No? DEAL WITH IT.
Implying it has to be said in game.
Its freaking criminal in the states depending on where you live to do what he did.
Advocating for others to harass someone until they kill themselves is violence.
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:14:00 -
[1054] - Quote
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/410871/heres-a-goodun#tab=featured |

Sticky Hamster
Nova-Tek
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:14:00 -
[1055] - Quote
Calling on The Mittani to step down because of what he said during the alliance panel at fanfest is silly.
You politically correct people need to grow up.
I bet most of you who are all up in arms are just acting up because at one time you got attacked by a Goon.
I personally think that this is HARASSMENT directed towards The Mittani.
He got over TEN THOUSAND votes.
Do not let Eve Online become a politically correct MMO where we cannot express ourselves freely.
The Mittani is not some sort of sociopathic monster that would encourage someone to kill themselves in real life.
Can't you people take a joke?
Regarding The Wis...
Why hasn't this character's accounts been investigated?
He claims to run OVER 25 HULKS SIMULTANEOUSLY.
He's a botter. ADMIT IT.
CCP, why don't you investigate The Wis and all his other accounts?
And all of these gaming websites... I bet NONE of them have seen the panel full video in context. And these 'politics in gaming' websites probably don't care about what actually happened. They just want people to visit their sites to get them AD revenue.
If anyone has a Youtube link of the 2012 Alliance Panel video please quickly PM me the link so I can see it once again before its buried under the heap of political correctness and is removed from the internet forever.
I'm glad I bought and watched the HD livestream when it was live, I fear that I won't get to see it again.
And it was EXTREMELY FUNNY.
Doesn't HTFU mean anything to you people? That song is almost the Eve Online / CCP anthem to me.
In the end the MOST that should be done is CCP should ASK not DEMAND The Mittani to perhaps not use the full character name about someone when he is ripping on them.
The Wis DESERVED ripping on for his behavior, he was just playing the part of a drama queen to try to get reimbursed for being killed.
The good thing is that this is more publicity for Eve Online.
Sticky Hamster |

Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:14:00 -
[1056] - Quote
I have never been so ashamed of being a part of something. |

Vladimir Blackschlong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:14:00 -
[1057] - Quote
If one's mental health is so fragile that pixel-ships are an issue of life and death, their mental health is beyond any further damage. Just sayin. |

RobinAnne
The Ankou Raiden.
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:15:00 -
[1058] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
I am a valid main, can I ask for you to resign?
I consider myself a pretty big troll and enjoy making players rage quit or just the random tears.
However, this is still just a game and your actions on behalf of this game are disgraceful. You very clearly crossed the line, and you are a risk to CCP and this game. |

Fierceshot
Fierce Recon
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:15:00 -
[1059] - Quote
Fascinating seeing so many desperate goons "trying" to do damage control. |

gozetec2002
Novus Exemplar Research and Development
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:15:00 -
[1060] - Quote
It is really cool that CCP is letting goonswarm handle their newest public relations campaign. Besides, wasn't it the goonswarm alliance that got elected to CSM?
Just my 0.02 isk. |
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
107
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:16:00 -
[1061] - Quote
Xython wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:if you really feel strongly about this then get to jita and join the protest... otherwise it all means nothing YES, PLEASE DO THIS. We need all of you idiots to cluster together, and spend a good enough time there cause I'm having trouble getting enough GiveAShit together to get a bomber or two down to Jita to reach out and skullfuck someone. Please, PLEASE cluster around that statue and remain there for, say, 45 more minutes?
Bombs don't work in hisec  |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
603
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:16:00 -
[1062] - Quote
Darius III wrote:
Do us all a favor and step down.
You were useless in iceland and everybody hated you there, you're not going back, they'd call in a seeing eye dog to the alternate position before you got to go back again. |

Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:16:00 -
[1063] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
CCP disagree.
I hear some "Richard Nixon" losing touch with reality in your statements.
My EVE YouTube Channel |

Leonard J Crabs
Leonard J Crabs and Associates LLC
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:16:00 -
[1064] - Quote
The Mittani's action while they might be deplorable to some. Are just words and he deserves his position as Chairman of CSM7. He was duly elected by the people of Eve. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
188
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:16:00 -
[1065] - Quote
Hench Tenet wrote:Twulf wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? Neither since he didn't do anything wrong. Wrong, He did something wrong, he tried to start an event to get someone to kill themselves, that is wrong. It does not matter how you spin it, it is wrong to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. End of Debate. Your parents failed as parents if you do not understand someting as simple as this. Everyone should know right from wrong at this point in their life, if not your parents were bad parents. It is wrong to try and gather a group of people who's goal is to push someone to kill themselves. How is that not wrong? Reguardless of this being a video game or not, trying to get someone to kill themselves is WRONG. You need to get a clue. Idiots like you are the problem with the world, too dumb to know how stupid they are. He didn't try and get anyone to do anything. Did you even watch the panel?
This is the part that skips in the vid people are pointing too.
GǣIncidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.Gǥ
He is scum. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
350
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:16:00 -
[1066] - Quote
Aileren wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:wow did 50 pages get deleted from this thread?!?!
Here's a website from the characters bio whom mittens wanted people to hunt down (LINK REMOVED: HAVE SOME CLASS YOU FUCKS) I guess his ex wife went blind or something? Unless I got the name wrong ( sorta doubtful mittens spelled it out ) Ah so to protest cyberbullying, you post his real life info. Time to investigate you.
If I remember right, Darf Moron up there was the one who won Forum Dipshit Bingo last month, so yeah, it sounds about right for him. |

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
144
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:16:00 -
[1067] - Quote
What happens in the aftermath of this i see 2 outcomes
1. Goonies win mittens continue to chair and gets to troll for the next year at all the cry babies and still gets chair next year with even more votes. lots of tears
2. Mittens banned, goons get new leader, two step takes chair ccp open the door for ts/vent/mumble/moblie voice chat metagaming to ban people. maybe some null alliance attack goons while there making a new leader. titan nerf reversed. lots of tears |

DarthNefarius
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:16:00 -
[1068] - Quote
Aileren wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:wow did 50 pages get deleted from this thread?!?! Here's a website from the characters bio whom mittens wanted people to hunt down http://thundershyne.posterous.com/getting-my-new-eye I guess his ex wife went blind or something? Unless I got the name wrong ( sorta doubtful mittens spelled it out ) Ah so to protest cyberbullying, you post his real life info. Time to investigate you.
Here let me drop my pants so you can investigate me bottocks...
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3425
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:16:00 -
[1069] - Quote
RobinAnne wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ I am a valid main, can I ask for you to resign?
I consider myself a pretty big troll and enjoy making players rage quit or just the random tears.
However, this is still just a game and your actions on behalf of this game are disgraceful. You very clearly crossed the line, and you are a risk to CCP and this game.MY TITAN ABLOOBLOOBLOO
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Mors Magne
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:17:00 -
[1070] - Quote
This is a public relations disaster for CCP.
They must permanently ban Alexander Gianturco (Mittani) - CCP need to send a strong message. |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
188
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:17:00 -
[1071] - Quote
Leonard J Crabs wrote:The Mittani's action while they might be deplorable to some. Are just words and he deserves his position as Chairman of CSM7. He was duly elected by the people of Eve.
Recalls never happen right? |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:17:00 -
[1072] - Quote
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/410871/heres-a-goodun#tab=featured |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:17:00 -
[1073] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? Neither since he didn't do anything wrong. Wrong, He did something wrong, he tried to start an event to get someone to kill themselves, that is wrong. It does not matter how you spin it, it is wrong to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. End of Debate. Your parents failed as parents if you do not understand someting as simple as this. Everyone should know right from wrong at this point in their life, if not your parents were bad parents. It is wrong to try and gather a group of people who's goal is to push someone to kill themselves. How is that not wrong? Reguardless of this being a video game or not, trying to get someone to kill themselves is WRONG. You need to get a clue. Idiots like you are the problem with the world, too dumb to know how stupid they are.
Prove actual malice please. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2306
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:17:00 -
[1074] - Quote
Revolution Rising wrote:CCP disagree.
Apparently they don't. Mittens is still chairman.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
350
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:17:00 -
[1075] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:GǣIncidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.Gǥ
He is scum.
You are quoting the re-posted blog post that's spreading across the MMORPG news sites. Did you watch the video? |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
603
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:17:00 -
[1076] - Quote
Revolution Rising wrote:
CCP disagree.
I hear some "Richard Nixon" losing touch with reality in your statements.
Grath Telkin wrote: Killing yourself is the single greatest act of cowardice you can commit, even considering it makes you literally the the most useless human on earth, when there are people who suffer through insurmountable odds, the greatest tragedies that life can offer, and still manage to somehow get up every morning without ending themselves.
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Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
82
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:17:00 -
[1077] - Quote
wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
350
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1078] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Leonard J Crabs wrote:The Mittani's action while they might be deplorable to some. Are just words and he deserves his position as Chairman of CSM7. He was duly elected by the people of Eve. Recalls never happen right?
Oh god, please, PLEASE try to recall him. I'll consider it an early Birthday present. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2306
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1079] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Leonard J Crabs wrote:The Mittani's action while they might be deplorable to some. Are just words and he deserves his position as Chairman of CSM7. He was duly elected by the people of Eve. Recalls never happen right?
If they held another election he would still get twice as many votes as the second place candidate.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
78
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1080] - Quote
Xython wrote:You guys are noticing that most of the posts are now goons mocking you or people pointing out that you're all wrong, right?
Thought I'd pop in and respond to this.
I still think what Mittens said was majorly assholish. I also find a great deal of the statements made by his supporters in these threads to be rather disgusting.
I just don't think there's anything new to say here. I don't spend all my life trying to convince The Westburough Baptists ******* that they're a bunch of cunts either....and they troll a lot harder than you lot.
At some point you've just got to figure what's going to be will be. I suppose that if what Mitten's said and does actually mattered more than it does that I'd be more inclined to spend more time arguing with brick walls. As it is...I think I'd rather just chalk this off as another example of cultural decay in the modern world and move on with my all too short existence.
Only people who've bought their own hype could believe that a group of howlers winning at the biggest noise contest could actually mean anything. Again, not a major sign of intelligence. Let the lemmings run off the cliff I say. If they think the group must know right, let them test that hypothesis. |
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Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1081] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Muestereate wrote:I'm going with assisted suicide. Kevorkian spent jail time but only after he was brash enough to push the button himself. That is not to say he wasn't tried over and over again. He blustered about his invulnerability also. Justice was finally served. The bad publicity lasted decade
It is definitely interesting to study the case law in different states or nations. The lower courts always find it appalling and convict pretty easily depending on locale. It seems to be a law that needs to be clarified before the arrests stop. It would seem be natural to mans and courts common law that someone help or not encourage someone to do this
Now if a region, over a course of time, develops laws allowing it, only then do the people accede their need to intervene and rescue. Some laws are well defined only allowing a doctor to do this, some allow counselors. Places like Iceland don't seem to have any laws and seem kind of backwards about tit. Perhaps it goes on, maybe its an old custom to dump depressives into the ocean during the long nites and they just don't talk about it. Then their are the laws of the depressed persons locale and can tele-kevorkian (c) methods be allowed or more likely, are they specifically tolerated
Jurisdiction will play a part. It would seem our Goonievorkian (c) needs asylum to protect himself from extradition to some backwater swamp or mountaintop somewhere in the world where his brashness and disregard for human life will not found to be so amusing
And then there is the issue of CCP's liablity. I'm reminded of a recent local case. It seems a prominent football coach had "looked the other way" It did not work out well once the press got a hold of it. People in the leadership positions were stripped of positions pride and standings in the community because they were leaders that ignored egregious behavior. The reverberations are still being felt with witch hunts. I had coffee yesterday with a woman that must now sue her state employer. After her boss and wife were busted for selling dope, she was let go because it was shown she was aware and because she never turned them in she was fired
If there are no laws specifically allowing flagrantly bad behaviors and such these consequences could happen in this instance also. CCP must look to the legal problems this presents to it but also to the marketing hurdles that could grow out of ignoring this behavior. Look after their own positions and Even Iceland's "BRAND" image
Think well CCP, Only a proactive move at this point can protect you. Where did you get your Law degree?
Virginia
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Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1082] - Quote
Mors Magne wrote:This is a public relations disaster for CCP.
They must permanently ban Alexander Gianturco (Mittani) - CCP need to send a strong message.
So fanfest was actually virtual and totally in game. |

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1083] - Quote
Half time break, go get more popcorns... while you go get them here is a joke...
--
A couple of women were playing golf one sunny Saturday morning. The first of the twosome teed off and watched in horror as her ball headed directly toward a foursome of men playing the next hole.
Indeed, the ball hit one of the men, and he immediately clasped his hands together at his crotch, fell to the ground and proceeded to roll around in evident agony.
The woman rushed down to the man and immediately began to apologize. She said, "Please allow me to help. I'm a physical therapist and I know I could relieve your pain if you'd allow."
"Ummph, oooh, nnooo, I'll be all right...I'll be fine in a few minutes," he replied breathlessly as he remained in the fetal position still clasping his hands together at his crotch.
But she persisted, and he finally allowed her to help him. She gently took his hands away and laid them to the side, she loosened his pants,and she put her hands inside. She began to massage him.
She then asked him, "How does that feel?" To which he replied, "It feels great, but my thumb still hurts like hell." Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |

seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
113
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1084] - Quote
Vladimir Blackschlong wrote:If one's mental health is so fragile that pixel-ships are an issue of life and death, their mental health is beyond any further damage. Just sayin.
THIS
Suicide in itself is a selfish act and does nothing but hurt others around them. If a person considers doing it over internet pixels then they need to step back and re-evaluate their life  |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2306
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1085] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP?
I have 2300 likes. They know who to listen to.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1086] - Quote
Fierceshot wrote:Fascinating seeing so many desperate goons "trying" to do damage control.
This is me posting AGAIN in a terrible thread, nothing more. "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3425
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1087] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? WOW 10,058 accounts voted for the guy in question
are you listening CCP? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
[1088] - Quote
167 you say?1% of 10,000 |

Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
82
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 -
[1089] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:CCP disagree.
Apparently they don't. Mittens is still chairman.
Not for long..... Damn either you are his lap dog or you are his alt.... but you are begining to look even more stupid with your fail attempts to defend probably the biggest moron eve has ever produced... |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
350
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 -
[1090] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Aileren wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:wow did 50 pages get deleted from this thread?!?! Here's a website from the characters bio whom mittens wanted people to hunt down http://thundershyne.posterous.com/getting-my-new-eye I guess his ex wife went blind or something? Unless I got the name wrong ( sorta doubtful mittens spelled it out ) Ah so to protest cyberbullying, you post his real life info. Time to investigate you. Here let me drop my pants so you can investigate me bottocks...
Reported for sexual harassment. |
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Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 -
[1091] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? I have 2300 likes. They know who to listen to.
Twenty three hundred and ONE. "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 -
[1092] - Quote
Xython wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that. Was it said in game? No? DEAL WITH IT.
Which part in what you quoted did I say he shopuld be banned or step down? I am comenting on the terms that we all agree to, even you and I. I also said if what he did is against the EULA or TOS or whatever he has to agree to as a CSM, then it is not upto us what happens it is upto those in charge what happens.
That is something you will have to deal with. |

Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
82
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 -
[1093] - Quote
Andski wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? WOW 10,058 accounts voted for the guy in question are you listening CCP?
Wow 8000 goons and their alts voted.... idiot now get lost... |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 -
[1094] - Quote
Muestereate wrote:Orkasm wrote:Muestereate wrote:I'm going with assisted suicide. Kevorkian spent jail time but only after he was brash enough to push the button himself. That is not to say he wasn't tried over and over again. He blustered about his invulnerability also. Justice was finally served. The bad publicity lasted decade
It is definitely interesting to study the case law in different states or nations. The lower courts always find it appalling and convict pretty easily depending on locale. It seems to be a law that needs to be clarified before the arrests stop. It would seem be natural to mans and courts common law that someone help or not encourage someone to do this
Now if a region, over a course of time, develops laws allowing it, only then do the people accede their need to intervene and rescue. Some laws are well defined only allowing a doctor to do this, some allow counselors. Places like Iceland don't seem to have any laws and seem kind of backwards about tit. Perhaps it goes on, maybe its an old custom to dump depressives into the ocean during the long nites and they just don't talk about it. Then their are the laws of the depressed persons locale and can tele-kevorkian (c) methods be allowed or more likely, are they specifically tolerated
Jurisdiction will play a part. It would seem our Goonievorkian (c) needs asylum to protect himself from extradition to some backwater swamp or mountaintop somewhere in the world where his brashness and disregard for human life will not found to be so amusing
And then there is the issue of CCP's liablity. I'm reminded of a recent local case. It seems a prominent football coach had "looked the other way" It did not work out well once the press got a hold of it. People in the leadership positions were stripped of positions pride and standings in the community because they were leaders that ignored egregious behavior. The reverberations are still being felt with witch hunts. I had coffee yesterday with a woman that must now sue her state employer. After her boss and wife were busted for selling dope, she was let go because it was shown she was aware and because she never turned them in she was fired
If there are no laws specifically allowing flagrantly bad behaviors and such these consequences could happen in this instance also. CCP must look to the legal problems this presents to it but also to the marketing hurdles that could grow out of ignoring this behavior. Look after their own positions and Even Iceland's "BRAND" image
Think well CCP, Only a proactive move at this point can protect you. Where did you get your Law degree? Virginia
Demand a refund. |

DarthNefarius
102
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:20:00 -
[1095] - Quote
Soo all you goons going to committ suicide in your PODs in Jita with a mass self destruction if Mittens gets banned?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=86902&find=unread lol someone is trying to start a Jita protest why don't you go suicide gank there :) "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:20:00 -
[1096] - Quote
Xython wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that. Was it said in game? No? DEAL WITH IT.
Game related fuction. Still falls under the EULA and TOS my friend. You goons are funny, little sheep running around protecting dear leader. Where is dear leader at anyway? If he was a real man, he would come say he was sorry and put this whole thing to bed but nope, the little coward is hiding and letting you sheep post away for him. |

Shayleigh Snowflower
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:20:00 -
[1097] - Quote
seany1212 wrote:Vladimir Blackschlong wrote:If one's mental health is so fragile that pixel-ships are an issue of life and death, their mental health is beyond any further damage. Just sayin. THIS Suicide in itself is a selfish act and does nothing but hurt others around them. If a person considers doing it over internet pixels then they need to step back and re-evaluate their life 
I do a suicide every time I need to travel to empire or VFK in a hurry. |

Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:21:00 -
[1098] - Quote
I watched the thing and the statements that were made.
The comment that The Mittani made about seeking out the player to have him kill himself is the issue.
The Mittani suggested the idea without prompting.
The Mittani wrote:"Incidentally guys, if you want to make the guy kill himself his name is The Wis. It's "T" "H" "E" "Space" "W" "I" "S" He has his own corp. Find him."
(link to source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E7Ki91U-mBE#t=4320s)
What should happen is the question.
If The Mittani was just like any other EVE player then CCP wouldn't need to do much more than it is. Say that the forum was uncensored and the views of its participants were their own and not those of CCP. Due to the comment being made CCP was going to initiate its Suicide Watch protocol and monitor the situation carefully.
As CCP I would add the following course of action as well: Give the player in question a name change should the player desire such.
But, The Mittani isn't any other EVE player. He is an elected representative of the playerbase and the chairman of the CSM.
As a member of the CSM he needs to adhere to a fairly broad and lenient manner of behaviour as laid out in the CSM documentation:
Quote:Candidates are expected to be active on the CSM forums and participate in the discussion of topics. They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.
The question facing CCP is this, did what The Mittani say in this situation adhere to the EULA/TOS and did he carry himself in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.
If there is a further agreement that CSM representatives must sign from CCP about their behaviour then that would need to be examined as well by CCP.
The latter part of this question is simple, yes, of course he carried himself in a manner that is an example for others to follow. The example is not stipulated to be bad or good, therefore, simply by being him he is fulfilling that requirement.
So, the question boils down to this: Does The Mittani's behaviour break the EULA or TOS in any manner? Please note, the conditions of the CSM does not limit this behaviour to be within EVE. There is nothing in the documentation that explicitly states that the TOS and EULA need to be adhered to solely within the EVE environment. And, even if it did, one could argue that being at the Fanfast in a sanctioned CCP event would be part of the EVE environment therefore he would need to operate within that framework of behaviour.
If encouraging other players to seek out someone for the purposes of them committing suicide is against either the EULA or TOS of the game then CCP has to remove The Mittani from office.
If the EULA or TOS were not broken by this then CCP doesn't have to do anything.
The Mittani may have broken local 'cyber bullying' laws or similar legislation but since I am not a legal expert I couldn't tell you if he did or not.
I do feel that what he said was not professional or a good depiction of what an EVE player is but, unfortunately, his statements are clearly supported by many EVE players as well. So, perhaps he is properly representing a percentage of the game's population.
I wouldn't support what he said and I would condemn the statement fully. I feel it is reprehensible and disgusting. I feel that it betrays a lack of morality and maturity but that is my own opinion. I consider it to be akin to an attempt to incite people to try and kill another human being.
But, the matter is up for CCP to decide if they feel that The Mittani adheres to their code of conduct and if so they can leave him in place while shaking their heads at the negative press he has given the game. The Mittani is under no obligation to do anything in terms of an apology or stepping down. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
350
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:21:00 -
[1099] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Andski wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? WOW 10,058 accounts voted for the guy in question are you listening CCP? Wow 8000 goons and their alts voted.... idiot now get lost...
You're a special kind of idiot. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3425
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:21:00 -
[1100] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Andski wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? WOW 10,058 accounts voted for the guy in question are you listening CCP? Wow 8000 goons and their alts voted.... idiot now get lost...
I thought it was only 3000 and alts? You're getting inconsistent.
also 8000 goons and their alts > 167 in any case
and any goon > you so v0v "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
|

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2306
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:21:00 -
[1101] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:CCP disagree.
Apparently they don't. Mittens is still chairman. Not for long..... Damn either you are his lap dog or you are his alt.... but you are begining to look even more stupid with your fail attempts to defend probably the biggest moron eve has ever produced...
I am his secret admirer
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
377
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:21:00 -
[1102] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? I have 2300 likes. They know who to listen to.
Where did you get your Facebook degree?
Fly Safe, Die Hard
|

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:21:00 -
[1103] - Quote
Look at all the white knights in this thread.
So mocking someone who threatens to end his life over a video game is immoral, eh? Interesting. Game companies better watch out, because someone might threaten to kill themselves if they get base raped in BF3 or MW3 or whatever other FPS is out there. Bioware better watch out, because people might threaten to kill themselves over the horrible ME3 endings. Listen to how silly that sounds.
But people here don't care that it sounds silly. They've just found a way to attack the Mittani because they already don't like him and they don't like goons. They've found a way to possibly hurt the "horrible goonies" playstyle because we belittle anyone who takes a game so seriously as to threaten to end their own life. They don't like that, they don't think it's immoral. Someone with a mental state like this guy's (if he even has a dangerous mental state) shouldn't be anywhere near the kind of social interaction that eve promises if you aren't careful. He should be getting help from professionals, not escaping to a video game. |

knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
82
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:22:00 -
[1104] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP?
And Mittani has 6,412 likes and 10k+votes. Are you listening?
This is all totally blown out of proportion. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3425
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:22:00 -
[1105] - Quote
ahahah you can expect more than that
the game will be unplayable in hiseec "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
137
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:22:00 -
[1106] - Quote
I think this thread gives people a much more negative view of the EVE community than any representative could possibly give, either accidentally or intentionally.
Seriously, a mob of people, each giving half assed comments for hours upon hours at a time. If I showed someone who doesn't play EVE this thread they would probably want to stay away from the game. |

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:22:00 -
[1107] - Quote
Aileren wrote:Muestereate wrote:Orkasm wrote:Muestereate wrote:I'm going with assisted suicide. Kevorkian spent jail time but only after he was brash enough to push the button himself. That is not to say he wasn't tried over and over again. He blustered about his invulnerability also. Justice was finally served. The bad publicity lasted decade
It is definitely interesting to study the case law in different states or nations. The lower courts always find it appalling and convict pretty easily depending on locale. It seems to be a law that needs to be clarified before the arrests stop. It would seem be natural to mans and courts common law that someone help or not encourage someone to do this
Now if a region, over a course of time, develops laws allowing it, only then do the people accede their need to intervene and rescue. Some laws are well defined only allowing a doctor to do this, some allow counselors. Places like Iceland don't seem to have any laws and seem kind of backwards about tit. Perhaps it goes on, maybe its an old custom to dump depressives into the ocean during the long nites and they just don't talk about it. Then their are the laws of the depressed persons locale and can tele-kevorkian (c) methods be allowed or more likely, are they specifically tolerated
Jurisdiction will play a part. It would seem our Goonievorkian (c) needs asylum to protect himself from extradition to some backwater swamp or mountaintop somewhere in the world where his brashness and disregard for human life will not found to be so amusing
And then there is the issue of CCP's liablity. I'm reminded of a recent local case. It seems a prominent football coach had "looked the other way" It did not work out well once the press got a hold of it. People in the leadership positions were stripped of positions pride and standings in the community because they were leaders that ignored egregious behavior. The reverberations are still being felt with witch hunts. I had coffee yesterday with a woman that must now sue her state employer. After her boss and wife were busted for selling dope, she was let go because it was shown she was aware and because she never turned them in she was fired
If there are no laws specifically allowing flagrantly bad behaviors and such these consequences could happen in this instance also. CCP must look to the legal problems this presents to it but also to the marketing hurdles that could grow out of ignoring this behavior. Look after their own positions and Even Iceland's "BRAND" image
Think well CCP, Only a proactive move at this point can protect you. Where did you get your Law degree? Virginia Demand a refund.
and if they do not refund you, hire The Mitanni to sue them Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |

Karl Planck
153
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:22:00 -
[1108] - Quote
how did this thread explode so quickly?
no even 1 man with a macro of alts could do this so quickly  If you don't like it, you should go and ride your Emo high-horse all the way back to WoW.
|

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
253
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:23:00 -
[1109] - Quote
goons don't count as people you see |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
394
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:23:00 -
[1110] - Quote
Still no apology? Stay classy bro. |
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Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
144
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:23:00 -
[1111] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Xython wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that. Was it said in game? No? DEAL WITH IT. Game related fuction. Still falls under the EULA and TOS my friend. You goons are funny, little sheep running around protecting dear leader. Where is dear leader at anyway? If he was a real man, he would come say he was sorry and put this whole thing to bed but nope, the little coward is hiding and letting you sheep post away for him.
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site.
so is fanfest game servers or website and u dont sign a eula to go to fanfest |

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:23:00 -
[1112] - Quote
Andski wrote:ahahah you can expect more than that the game will be unplayable in hiseec
DON'T SPOIL THE SURPRISE Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:23:00 -
[1113] - Quote
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/410871/heres-a-goodun#tab=featured |

Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
82
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:24:00 -
[1114] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? And Mittani has 6,412 likes and 10k+votes. Are you listening? This is all totally blown out of proportion.
Lol from 8000 goons and their alts - ill say it again.. no one else likes him, even less now..
You can keep kissing his ass goon pet as much as you like...makes no difference...hes still the biggest moron eve has ever produced....but i assume your his alt... |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
253
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:24:00 -
[1115] - Quote
a goon is only worth 3/5ths of a person |

Jim Luc
Rule of Five
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:24:00 -
[1116] - Quote
I'm not a Goon but I do find the mock outrage a little disingenuous. People should take responsibility for their actions for once.
Now how do I "unsubscribe" to this stupid thread?? |

Truce Billis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:24:00 -
[1117] - Quote
Beep beep I'm a terrible thread. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:25:00 -
[1118] - Quote
I can't tell what is worse, Mittani's performance or the attitude of the legion of Goons posting in this thread. Simply disgusting |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
350
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:25:00 -
[1119] - Quote
Dbars Grinding wrote:Still no apology? Stay classy bro.
Why would he apologize for doing nothing wrong other than pissing off pubbies.
****, if he wasn't pissing off pubbies I'd demand an apology. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1436
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:26:00 -
[1120] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Silas Kautsuo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned That's exactly what is happening in all of these threads. Harlot, do yourself a favour and just shut the hell up, you're defending a cretin who has no clue. You're trying way too hard and nobody really cares, he's shown his true colours, until now most of us could take or leave Mittens but now, he's proved he's not worthy of being on the CSM. You're pathetic attempts to defend this action aren't working, sorry and all that. Adapt or die. Who are you and why are you relevant?
What I don't understand is all this "are you relevant?" nonsense coming from members of the biggest submissive cult of internet sycophants in Eve online suddenly. Lets face it, being one of faceless herd of 10,000 personality cult followers of a chubby frat boy who can't hold his beer at fanfest hardly qualifies the cheerleaders with much "relevance" themselves!
Listen to yourselves spaceship piloting people! This is a game about space-warfare and exploring a fictional universe. Nobody is *that* relevant in the grand scheme of things - and unless you are the leader of a corporation/alliance or a big league fc arranging fights for other people you are less relevant than most.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
144
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:26:00 -
[1121] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? And Mittani has 6,412 likes and 10k+votes. Are you listening? This is all totally blown out of proportion. Lol from 8000 goons and their alts - ill say it again.. no one else likes him, even less now.. You can keep kissing his ass goon pet as much as you like...makes no difference...hes still the biggest moron eve has ever produced....but i assume your his alt...
i liked the op not cuz i agree with him but cuz of all the tears in this thread |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
35
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:27:00 -
[1122] - Quote
Truce Billis wrote:Beep beep I'm a terrible thread. Beep boop son, beep boop. |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
253
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:27:00 -
[1123] - Quote
hilariously enough, goons managed to earn enough votes that even if a goon was 3/5ths of a person, they would still own the chair |

Vladimir Blackschlong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:27:00 -
[1124] - Quote
Any guesses as to how many people whining in here don't complain when their FC's tell them to kill themselves when they **** up on fleets?
Of the non care-bears, of course. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:27:00 -
[1125] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:wOW 167 likes to the OP
Are you listening CCP? And Mittani has 6,412 likes and 10k+votes. Are you listening? This is all totally blown out of proportion. Lol from 8000 goons and their alts - ill say it again.. no one else likes him, even less now.. You can keep kissing his ass goon pet as much as you like...makes no difference...hes still the biggest moron eve has ever produced....but i assume your his alt...
The Tinfoil is strong with this one.
Hint - we made only about 5k of his votes. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
351
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:27:00 -
[1126] - Quote
Pepinillos wrote:I can't tell what is worse, Mittani's performance or the attitude of the legion of Goons posting in this thread. Simply disgusting
Simply disgusting pretty much sums us up. But we're still the best EVE players in the game according to CCP, and our leader is the new CSM7 leader with the BIGGEST MANDATE IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME, so hey, we must be doing something right.
And it probably eats you alive, you pathetic sockpuppet coward.
|

penguin man
Spricer Raiden.
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:27:00 -
[1127] - Quote
Remove him |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:27:00 -
[1128] - Quote
You'd think someone died or something. |

Scooter McCabe
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:28:00 -
[1129] - Quote
I see the concern over this masking a group of unhappy players that the elections did not turn out the way they wanted. I also have to question to what degree has this story been pushed by certain members of the community. I also have to ask if the letter where the player bleeds his heart out is completely honest. This is EVE and it would not surprise me if someone created a sob story to get their things back
This is a clarion call for all of you to ask yourselves "Do I put to much time into this game to the point of diminishing reality? Do I share things about my life that I would not normally share with a stranger in real life? If I am going through a rough patch is playing a computer game, one that is based on a harsh dystopia a place for me to seek comfort and stability?
I expect some of you to be entrenched in your positions, fair enough just as long as you are honest with yourself. Most of you I expect will simply roll your eyes and not take part in this post election mud slinging. I expect that because after so many years of fanfest shenanigans its understood the alliance panel is no country for the faint of heart and neither is EVE. |

Kridak
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:28:00 -
[1130] - Quote
[repost from a smaller thread]
I rarely post on forums but this is just silly. Sure e-bullying is illegal and some cases where extreme bullying have led to suicide there have been guilty verdicts, but there's also been plenty of acquittals.
If you look this guy up in game there's a link that eventually leads to his blog, he seems to be doing just fine. You also have to read a bit into the e-mail that was presented in the Alliance panel, there's no mention of actual depression or suicide. There are some mention of it in a few blog posts on this e-bullied persons blog.
On this blog he also proclaims he drove his wife to poison herself. His ex-wife left him btw, and that was after going blind and def, how mean do you have to be that your wife who's recently lost two very important senses has the courage to leave.
I am for free-speech, which in my view includes bullying. Sadly somewhere the laws started changing and now lots of countries have made ideas and opinions illegal. You can be a Anti-semite (other word got censored), but you can't dislike a person? Hopefully CCP has the guts to form a opinion on this that's not just main--stream PC.
Actions have consequences, some actions should be illegal.
Ideas have consequences, should ideas be illegal? Who decides what ideas are illegal? In Iran (and many other countries) it's illegal to apostate. In the US it's illegal to call someone names, but only really if they kill themselves, otherwise usually you're acquitted. It's hypocritical to make one idea illegal just because you don't agree with it. I hate "1940's German people" and love gay people, in Iran that's illegal, in Sweden that's just being normal. I hate door-salesmen, literally despise them, especially if it's a religion they're selling, I feel physically unclean if I accidentally open the door for them, under no circumstances should they ever be outlawed and in return I can yell all I want at them before I slam the door in their face. |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
193
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:28:00 -
[1131] - Quote
Marduk Nibiru wrote:Xython wrote:You guys are noticing that most of the posts are now goons mocking you or people pointing out that you're all wrong, right? Thought I'd pop in and respond to this. I still think what Mittens said was majorly assholish. I also find a great deal of the statements made by his supporters in these threads to be rather disgusting. I just don't think there's anything new to say here. I don't spend all my life trying to convince The Westburough Baptists ******* that they're a bunch of cunts either....and they troll a lot harder than you lot. At some point you've just got to figure what's going to be will be. I suppose that if what Mitten's said and does actually mattered more than it does that I'd be more inclined to spend more time arguing with brick walls. As it is...I think I'd rather just chalk this off as another example of cultural decay in the modern world and move on with my all too short existence. Only people who've bought their own hype could believe that a group of howlers winning at the biggest noise contest could actually mean anything. Again, not a major sign of intelligence. Let the lemmings run off the cliff I say. If they think the group must know right, let them test that hypothesis.
Yeah cause none of use have had to deal with someone they love committing suicide or anything?
Sorry what he did is indefensible he crossed the line.
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:29:00 -
[1132] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Orkasm wrote:Silas Kautsuo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned That's exactly what is happening in all of these threads. Harlot, do yourself a favour and just shut the hell up, you're defending a cretin who has no clue. You're trying way too hard and nobody really cares, he's shown his true colours, until now most of us could take or leave Mittens but now, he's proved he's not worthy of being on the CSM. You're pathetic attempts to defend this action aren't working, sorry and all that. Adapt or die. Who are you and why are you relevant? What I don't understand is all this "are you relevant?" nonsense coming from members of the biggest submissive cult of internet sycophants in Eve online suddenly. Lets face it, being one of faceless herd of 10,000 personality cult followers of a chubby frat boy who can't hold his beer at fanfest hardly qualifies the cheerleaders with much "relevance" themselves! Listen to yourselves spaceship piloting people! This is a game about space-warfare and exploring a fictional universe. Nobody is *that* relevant in the grand scheme of things - and unless you are the leader of a corporation/alliance or a big league fc arranging fights for other people you are less relevant than most.
At least we know you are the least relevant of all, even in the irrelevant spaceship universe.
Oh, and Mittens may not be able to hold his beer, but if you've ever met the guy, he certainly doesn't fit the description of 'chubby frat boy.' |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
351
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:29:00 -
[1133] - Quote
penguin man wrote:Remove him
**** off. |

Moro Oskold
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:29:00 -
[1134] - Quote
guys pls dont mess with suicide since i almost tried to kill myself
my boyfriend managed to dissuade me before i figuratively pulled the trigger but i'm not so sure he'll be successful the next time i feel like ****
my parents are disowning me because in their eyes i am nothing but a leech. they do not like the course i am taking up in college. they think a course in fine arts will lead to nothing. they are expecting me to just get a job and pay them back for my schooling. but i can't do that. i can't sacrifice my education and dream for their expectations
i have no one to run to. my boyfriend lives too far away. he is a student like i am. i can't get a job, even a parttime one because no one will accept me. i don't know what to do anymore
today my parents told me i was unwanted, and that i'm worthless. all because of ******* money. all of my effort in improving myself in terms of personality, art skills, my grades, everything, it's all worthless because i can't give them back money.
at first they were happy i was able to get some commissions off deviantart, but when they realized it was only ~$20 a piece, they started hating me again. i don't think i can ever live up to their expectations. i've never felt like they loved me. it all boils down to money for them.
i feel like an empty shell of a person now. i'm sorry if nothing i say makes sense anymore, i just really need a place to rant. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2309
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:30:00 -
[1135] - Quote
Dbars Grinding wrote:Still no apology? Stay classy bro.
The Mittani's official response: http://i.imgur.com/pQHAE.png
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:30:00 -
[1136] - Quote
THIS IS AMERICA DAMMIT.
HOME OF THE FREE LAND OF THE BRAVE |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
122
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:30:00 -
[1137] - Quote
Xython wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Xython wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? I don't feel betrayed by him at all. He represents the best of EVE. Think about this: even if you do not think he did anything wrong, a lot of people in EVE, in the community he is supposed to represent, by your vote and your mandate, do. He is an experienced CSM member; he should have been aware that there are some rules of conduct and that what he does will cause an outrage. He has caused serious damage to the game by the media scandal. I think that counts as "betrayal" even if you agree with the initial action. You might not have been able to expect the reaction of the playerbase or the media - but he should have, if he was worthy of your trust as a representative of the game and its community. No, a lot of chickenshit cowards who are too scared to post under their real characters are mad. But they literally don't matter, in the least.
You mean like the Mittani posting with Karadion? |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:31:00 -
[1138] - Quote
Xython wrote:Pepinillos wrote:I can't tell what is worse, Mittani's performance or the attitude of the legion of Goons posting in this thread. Simply disgusting Simply disgusting pretty much sums us up. But we're still the best EVE players in the game according to CCP, and our leader is the new CSM7 leader with the BIGGEST MANDATE IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME, so hey, we must be doing something right. And it probably eats you alive, you pathetic sockpuppet coward. You look a bit nervous, go ahead and drink a glass of warm milk, it's alredy bedtime |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
193
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:31:00 -
[1139] - Quote
Aileren wrote:Twulf wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? Neither since he didn't do anything wrong. Wrong, He did something wrong, he tried to start an event to get someone to kill themselves, that is wrong. It does not matter how you spin it, it is wrong to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. End of Debate. Your parents failed as parents if you do not understand someting as simple as this. Everyone should know right from wrong at this point in their life, if not your parents were bad parents. It is wrong to try and gather a group of people who's goal is to push someone to kill themselves. How is that not wrong? Reguardless of this being a video game or not, trying to get someone to kill themselves is WRONG. You need to get a clue. Idiots like you are the problem with the world, too dumb to know how stupid they are. Prove actual malice please.
GǣIncidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.Gǥ
Your making a joke right?
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Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:31:00 -
[1140] - Quote
I think what we've learnt here is that eve is such a terrible game that it actually makes you suicidal. |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
351
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:31:00 -
[1141] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Marduk Nibiru wrote:Xython wrote:You guys are noticing that most of the posts are now goons mocking you or people pointing out that you're all wrong, right? Thought I'd pop in and respond to this. I still think what Mittens said was majorly assholish. I also find a great deal of the statements made by his supporters in these threads to be rather disgusting. I just don't think there's anything new to say here. I don't spend all my life trying to convince The Westburough Baptists ******* that they're a bunch of cunts either....and they troll a lot harder than you lot. At some point you've just got to figure what's going to be will be. I suppose that if what Mitten's said and does actually mattered more than it does that I'd be more inclined to spend more time arguing with brick walls. As it is...I think I'd rather just chalk this off as another example of cultural decay in the modern world and move on with my all too short existence. Only people who've bought their own hype could believe that a group of howlers winning at the biggest noise contest could actually mean anything. Again, not a major sign of intelligence. Let the lemmings run off the cliff I say. If they think the group must know right, let them test that hypothesis. Yeah cause none of use have had to deal with someone they love committing suicide or anything? Sorry what he did is indefensible he crossed the line.
Yes, because people saying "kill yourself" or "die in a fire" or calling someone a "**********" or "***" or whatever completely and utterly represents the entirety of what they feel about the other person[/b] and isn't just meaningless word-cruft that has no actual meaning.
Dear god, I hope you asshats never discover Xbox live, you'd **** yourselves. |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
377
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:31:00 -
[1142] - Quote
Xython wrote:penguin man wrote:Remove him **** off.
Notice how Goons are mainly the only people defending him.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:32:00 -
[1143] - Quote
lol  Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |

Rogan Otsolen
The 22nd Jenquai Deep Space Corp Checkmate.
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:32:00 -
[1144] - Quote
Grat example of character there.
Tinnin Sylph wrote:You'd think someone died or something.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
195
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:32:00 -
[1145] - Quote
As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats. |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:32:00 -
[1146] - Quote
Tinnin Sylph wrote:You'd think someone died or something.
that's what we are trying to avoid |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1436
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:32:00 -
[1147] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote: At least we know you are the least relevant of all, even in the irrelevant spaceship universe.
And who the heck are you? I've never heard of you.
Ice Fist wrote: Oh, and Mittens may not be able to hold his beer, but if you've ever met the guy, he certainly doesn't fit the description of 'chubby frat boy.'
Are you defending its e-waist-size now?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2309
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:32:00 -
[1148] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:GǣIncidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.Gǥ
Your making a joke right?
CCP should remove locator agents!
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:33:00 -
[1149] - Quote
esc shk wrote:THIS IS AMERICA DAMMIT.
HOME OF THE FREE LAND OF THE BRAVE Hahahaha... No. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:33:00 -
[1150] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Orkasm wrote:Silas Kautsuo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned That's exactly what is happening in all of these threads. Harlot, do yourself a favour and just shut the hell up, you're defending a cretin who has no clue. You're trying way too hard and nobody really cares, he's shown his true colours, until now most of us could take or leave Mittens but now, he's proved he's not worthy of being on the CSM. You're pathetic attempts to defend this action aren't working, sorry and all that. Adapt or die. Who are you and why are you relevant? What I don't understand is all this "are you relevant?" nonsense coming from members of the biggest submissive cult of internet sycophants in Eve online suddenly. Lets face it, being one of faceless herd of 10,000 personality cult followers of a chubby frat boy who can't hold his beer at fanfest hardly qualifies the cheerleaders with much "relevance" themselves! Listen to yourselves spaceship piloting people! This is a game about space-warfare and exploring a fictional universe. Nobody is *that* relevant in the grand scheme of things - and unless you are the leader of a corporation/alliance or a big league fc arranging fights for other people you are less relevant than most.
This is hilarious coming from you Honey.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
351
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:33:00 -
[1151] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Xython wrote:penguin man wrote:Remove him **** off. Notice how Goons are mainly the only people defending him.
We're not defending him. He doesn't need defending. He's a far better communicator than we'll ever be.
We're trolling you and this thread, you idiots. |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:33:00 -
[1152] - Quote
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats.
[21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting ganking here
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Truce Billis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:34:00 -
[1153] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Orkasm wrote:Silas Kautsuo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned That's exactly what is happening in all of these threads. Harlot, do yourself a favour and just shut the hell up, you're defending a cretin who has no clue. You're trying way too hard and nobody really cares, he's shown his true colours, until now most of us could take or leave Mittens but now, he's proved he's not worthy of being on the CSM. You're pathetic attempts to defend this action aren't working, sorry and all that. Adapt or die. Who are you and why are you relevant? What I don't understand is all this "are you relevant?" nonsense coming from members of the biggest submissive cult of internet sycophants in Eve online suddenly. Lets face it, being one of faceless herd of 10,000 personality cult followers of a chubby frat boy who can't hold his beer at fanfest hardly qualifies the cheerleaders with much "relevance" themselves! Listen to yourselves spaceship piloting people! This is a game about space-warfare and exploring a fictional universe. Nobody is *that* relevant in the grand scheme of things - and unless you are the leader of a corporation/alliance or a big league fc arranging fights for other people you are less relevant than most.
You are a dude. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:34:00 -
[1154] - Quote
Rogan Otsolen wrote:Grat example of character there. Tinnin Sylph wrote:You'd think someone died or something. Stay classy goons. |

Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:34:00 -
[1155] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Xython wrote:penguin man wrote:Remove him **** off. Notice how Goons are mainly the only people defending him.
Notice how NPC corp alts are mainly the only people attacking him. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:34:00 -
[1156] - Quote
Keep posting guys, if we have enough posts then CCP are sure to notice and ban him.
Lol. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
193
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:34:00 -
[1157] - Quote
Xython wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Marduk Nibiru wrote:Xython wrote:You guys are noticing that most of the posts are now goons mocking you or people pointing out that you're all wrong, right? Thought I'd pop in and respond to this. I still think what Mittens said was majorly assholish. I also find a great deal of the statements made by his supporters in these threads to be rather disgusting. I just don't think there's anything new to say here. I don't spend all my life trying to convince The Westburough Baptists ******* that they're a bunch of cunts either....and they troll a lot harder than you lot. At some point you've just got to figure what's going to be will be. I suppose that if what Mitten's said and does actually mattered more than it does that I'd be more inclined to spend more time arguing with brick walls. As it is...I think I'd rather just chalk this off as another example of cultural decay in the modern world and move on with my all too short existence. Only people who've bought their own hype could believe that a group of howlers winning at the biggest noise contest could actually mean anything. Again, not a major sign of intelligence. Let the lemmings run off the cliff I say. If they think the group must know right, let them test that hypothesis. Yeah cause none of use have had to deal with someone they love committing suicide or anything? Sorry what he did is indefensible he crossed the line. Yes, because people saying "kill yourself" or "die in a fire" or calling someone a "**********" or "***" or whatever completely and utterly represents the entirety of what they feel about the other person and isn't just pointless word-cruft that has no actual meaning. Dear god, I hope you asshats never discover Xbox live, you'd **** yourselves.
Thats not even remotely close to same thing as mittens the scum that he is did in this situation. |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:34:00 -
[1158] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote:Tinnin Sylph wrote:You'd think someone died or something. that's what we are trying to avoid
Save The Wis, Save The World. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
193
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:35:00 -
[1159] - Quote
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Xython wrote:penguin man wrote:Remove him **** off. Notice how Goons are mainly the only people defending him. Notice how NPC corp alts are mainly the only people attacking him.
Fraid not. |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
377
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:35:00 -
[1160] - Quote
Xython wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Xython wrote:penguin man wrote:Remove him **** off. Notice how Goons are mainly the only people defending him. We're not defending him. He doesn't need defending. He's a far better communicator than we'll ever be. We're trolling you and this thread, you idiots.
You're trolling me? lol I popped in to take note of something. You're not trollin' me brah
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:35:00 -
[1161] - Quote
]Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats.
[/quote]
If I could +rep you I would.
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Lume V
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:35:00 -
[1162] - Quote
Tinnin Sylph wrote:I think what we've learnt here is that eve is such a terrible game that it actually makes you suicidal.
Good thing I don't play it. |

DooDoo Gum
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:35:00 -
[1163] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 people don't agree with you.
How are you so sure that 10,058 people knew about this ? |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
122
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:35:00 -
[1164] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Xython wrote:penguin man wrote:Remove him **** off. Notice how Goons are mainly the only people defending him.
There were a couple of TEST too earlier, although no real surprise there either. |

Landrae
Sinners Among Saints
307
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:35:00 -
[1165] - Quote
esc shk wrote:THIS IS AMERICA DAMMIT.
HOME OF THE FREE LAND OF THE BRAVE
Freedom isn't free.
My cow collapsed, and now there's a human to animal infection outbreak among illegal immigrants. |

Xeross155
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:35:00 -
[1166] - Quote
I am bored
Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:36:00 -
[1167] - Quote
Everyone should just close your eyes and count to ten
nothing positive will come out of this heated debate |

Rogan Otsolen
The 22nd Jenquai Deep Space Corp Checkmate.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:36:00 -
[1168] - Quote
I could give a **** about Mittens or the CSM to be truthful.
However, his conduct was deplorable and he sould suffer the consequences of his actions.
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
353
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:36:00 -
[1169] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Rogan Otsolen wrote:Grat example of character there. Tinnin Sylph wrote:You'd think someone died or something. Stay classy goons.
I keep wanting to reply with "Well, not yet, anyway," but I am a classy goon and a goodposter and mocking potential suicide would be wrong. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:36:00 -
[1170] - Quote
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Xython wrote:penguin man wrote:Remove him **** off. Notice how Goons are mainly the only people defending him. Notice how NPC corp alts are mainly the only people attacking him. Yes because we are all Darius' alts conspiring against mittens.... |
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EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
253
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:37:00 -
[1171] - Quote
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats.
but.... goons are ruining my spaceship game!!
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
195
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:37:00 -
[1172] - Quote
DooDoo Gum wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 people don't agree with you. How are you so sure that 10,058 people knew about this ?
voting was done by the time this happened. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2313
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:37:00 -
[1173] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote:Everyone should just close your eyes and count to ten
nothing positive will come out of this heated debate
Nothing except delicious drama and pubbie tears you mean
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Truce Billis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:37:00 -
[1174] - Quote
esc shk wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats. If I could +rep you I would. It's the Reddit complex. People found out one thing worked, so they try it again and again for every other issue that comes along. Next, people will shoot the Jita monument because minerals were removed from drones, or someone was scammed for 100b and driven to suicide in the hospital while his wife was watching. Little things. |

Lady Dhalia
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:37:00 -
[1175] - Quote
esc shk wrote:http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/410871/heres-a-goodun#tab=featured
You do realise that for this video to be valid reference here, the guy selling the jewels would have to be Mittani (who is doing the deed everyone realise to be wrong) and others would be Stan calling and hoping he would stop doing it?
If you only take few words of it, you ruin the context you see? |

Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
418
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:38:00 -
[1176] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Every post you make is more incomprehensible than the last. How much spittle flies from your lips when you slam your fingers against your keyboard in such an angry manner? so glad i installed that xkcd script replacing the word 'keyboard' with 'leopard'. lmao Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~ |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
674
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:38:00 -
[1177] - Quote
I love how The Wis is the person who is the least affected by all of this |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
253
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:38:00 -
[1178] - Quote
Xeross155 wrote: [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought.
Surely nothing can go wrong by validating a suicidal person's thoughts, great job guys!
Hope you're happy about your internet spaceship titles! |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2313
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:38:00 -
[1179] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Yes because we are all Darius' alts conspiring against mittens....
He's just desperate enough to stay relevant that I wouldn't be surprised.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

BiaXia
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:39:00 -
[1180] - Quote
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats.
Ha, Istvaan just pulled the moral high ground.
I never thought I would ever see that happen. |
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Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
13
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:39:00 -
[1181] - Quote
There is no entitlement to NOT be offended.
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Conu Leonida
Ex 24.7 v3
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:39:00 -
[1182] - Quote
Sticky Hamster wrote: You politically correct people need to grow up.
He got over TEN THOUSAND votes.
Do not let Eve Online become a politically correct MMO where we cannot express ourselves freely.
Can't you people take a joke?
Doesn't HTFU mean anything to you people? That song is almost the Eve Online / CCP anthem to me.
In the end the MOST that should be done is CCP should ASK not DEMAND The Mittani to perhaps not use the full character name about someone when he is ripping on them.
(snipped quote for brevity)
Political correctness has its limits and most of the times it's quite annoying. But there's some things you don't take out of the in-game context and transpose into real life no matter how harmless they may seem at some point. You meet turds, you run into cowards or a$$hats... it's part of the game experience and should stay there.
You couldn't make EVE a politically correct game even if CCP got bought by Blizzard and made into a WoW in space MMO.
As for the guy getting 10k votes... It's actual relative to the existing active accounts. If some EVE forum rumours are true and there's more than 300k active accounts around the time that CSM voting occurs corroborated to the fact that this individual got the best number on the votes, it should actually show CCP that there's a problem with the CSM since so few players vote.
If the best-voted candidate gets under 10% of the eligible voting subscribers, well, that's a warning signal that the CSM does not really represents the player base.
The HTFU song is just some promotional gig CCP did. Nothing more and noting less. It's a marketing gig to attract players. If CCP was so bent out on being Judge Dredd or the Terminator, I don't think we'd have this much fuss about bots. So, for people going with HTFU gig as being EVE anthem, a big phat smile - you fell for a marketing gimmick.
As for CCP should not ASK bit... no, they should have demanded or put an end to that as soon as it started. The panel was under the tutelage of CCP. I frankly don't care about that one bit, but there's a whole lot of other people that do. For CCP it would have simply been some damage control.
Maybe they should implement an actual rule: What happens in EVE, stays in EVE; disrespect that and we take the CCP Banhammer to your balls.
(Posting this after 2 bottles of wine. Harder than... flexes e-muscles) |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
603
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:39:00 -
[1183] - Quote
Moro Oskold wrote:guys pls dont mess with suicide since i almost tried to kill myself
my boyfriend managed to dissuade me before i figuratively pulled the trigger but i'm not so sure he'll be successful the next time i feel like ****
my parents are disowning me because in their eyes i am nothing but a leech. they do not like the course i am taking up in college. they think a course in fine arts will lead to nothing. they are expecting me to just get a job and pay them back for my schooling. but i can't do that. i can't sacrifice my education and dream for their expectations
i have no one to run to. my boyfriend lives too far away. he is a student like i am. i can't get a job, even a parttime one because no one will accept me. i don't know what to do anymore
today my parents told me i was unwanted, and that i'm worthless. all because of ******* money. all of my effort in improving myself in terms of personality, art skills, my grades, everything, it's all worthless because i can't give them back money.
at first they were happy i was able to get some commissions off deviantart, but when they realized it was only ~$20 a piece, they started hating me again. i don't think i can ever live up to their expectations. i've never felt like they loved me. it all boils down to money for them.
i feel like an empty shell of a person now. i'm sorry if nothing i say makes sense anymore, i just really need a place to rant.
I reported you, I HOPE THEY GET TO YOU IN TIME.
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Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:40:00 -
[1184] - Quote
Quote: Yes because we are all Darius' alts conspiring against mittens....
See, I knew I was right. |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:40:00 -
[1185] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Ice Fist wrote: At least we know you are the least relevant of all, even in the irrelevant spaceship universe.
And who the heck are you? I've never heard of you. Ice Fist wrote: Oh, and Mittens may not be able to hold his beer, but if you've ever met the guy, he certainly doesn't fit the description of 'chubby frat boy.' Are you defending its e-waist-size now?
No, I'm pointing out how ******** your misinformed post about relevancy and 'lolMittani is fat' was you illiterate moron.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:40:00 -
[1186] - Quote
Look at this thread full of people so utterly disrespectful and ridiculous towards the "victim" by insinuating he literally is incapable of making a decision on his own and totally would never, ever commit suicide on his own but now that people might make fun of him in a video game, he just might actually do it! No way could he have made that decision on his own though.
It's funny, because in your unbelievably transparent attempt to remove mittens (and his stupidly large voting mandate) from the CSM, you're actually being about a thousand times more insulting than we ever could have been. If you cared so much about his mental state, maybe you wouldn't make him a pawn in your stupid political game?
Nah, way too much to ask from a bunch of mouthbreathing publords. Remember The Maine!Smoske The Wis! |

Goor
Ynklig gubbe
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:40:00 -
[1187] - Quote
I dont care about the what the OP wrote, and i dont really care about the guy who threatens about to suicide over a game, he should really talk to a RL person about his condition.
but what i do care about is The Mittani, anyone who put "the" infront of his name should in my oppinion have his head checked.
and as long he is chairman of CSM i dont ******* care about CSM, they mean nothing to me. and if CCP think they will help the game get better, think again.
as soon we as a game community get rid of "the mittani" the better.
thank you The Goor |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1070
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:40:00 -
[1188] - Quote
With Goonswarm at maximum CTA trying to defend Mittani, their post mods will be burned out soon from constantly overheating. It is almost as if they think that their efforts will prove meaningful. This is desperate damage control, it almost seems like Goonies think it will help.
I will miss his efforts in the CSM, but I won't miss him personally. All the comments from Goo-ns in this thread will be made so much more irrelevant after he gets removed.
He has brought shame to CCP, the CSM and the Eve community as a whole. Theo only thing I am glad of, is that he showed his true colors early and now people know exactly what sort of person he is. +1 for that. CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:41:00 -
[1189] - Quote
Darius III wrote: With Goonswarm at maximum CTA trying to defend Mittani, their post mods will be burned out soon from constantly overheating. It is almost as if they think that their efforts will prove meaningful. This is desperate damage control, it almost seems like Goonies think it will help.
I will miss his efforts in the CSM, but I won't miss him personally. All the comments from Goo-ns in this thread will be made so much more irrelevant after he gets removed.
He has brought shame to CCP, the CSM and the Eve community as a whole. Theo only thing I am glad of, is that he showed his true colors early and now people know exactly what sort of person he is. +1 for that.
You're actually a moron, aren't you? |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
353
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:41:00 -
[1190] - Quote
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats.
That's a good point. How many of you assholes actually sent the guy a message in game asking if he was ok? Asking for his side of things?
None? Didn't think so. |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
353
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:41:00 -
[1191] - Quote
Tinnin Sylph wrote:Darius III wrote: With Goonswarm at maximum CTA trying to defend Mittani, their post mods will be burned out soon from constantly overheating. It is almost as if they think that their efforts will prove meaningful. This is desperate damage control, it almost seems like Goonies think it will help.
I will miss his efforts in the CSM, but I won't miss him personally. All the comments from Goo-ns in this thread will be made so much more irrelevant after he gets removed.
He has brought shame to CCP, the CSM and the Eve community as a whole. Theo only thing I am glad of, is that he showed his true colors early and now people know exactly what sort of person he is. +1 for that. You're actually a moron, aren't you?
And yet, he's still better than Riverini. |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:41:00 -
[1192] - Quote
I would like to congratulate everyone over the fact that our efforts are keeping the Wiz alive |

Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:42:00 -
[1193] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Orkasm wrote:Silas Kautsuo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pepinillos wrote:And no, nobody will threaten with suicide to get the scammer banned That's exactly what is happening in all of these threads. Harlot, do yourself a favour and just shut the hell up, you're defending a cretin who has no clue. You're trying way too hard and nobody really cares, he's shown his true colours, until now most of us could take or leave Mittens but now, he's proved he's not worthy of being on the CSM. You're pathetic attempts to defend this action aren't working, sorry and all that. Adapt or die. Who are you and why are you relevant? What I don't understand is all this "are you relevant?" nonsense coming from members of the biggest submissive cult of internet sycophants in Eve online suddenly. Lets face it, being one of faceless herd of 10,000 personality cult followers of a chubby frat boy who can't hold his beer at fanfest hardly qualifies the cheerleaders with much "relevance" themselves! Listen to yourselves spaceship piloting people! This is a game about space-warfare and exploring a fictional universe. Nobody is *that* relevant in the grand scheme of things - and unless you are the leader of a corporation/alliance or a big league fc arranging fights for other people you are less relevant than most.
Wow. Where do I even start? OK. Mittens doesn't look chubby to me. Holding your beer is an absurd concept; if somebody drinks 60 beers and passes out is he not holding his beer? How arbitrary. The goons are the least submissive people in the game. |

Mr R4nd0m
Retribution.
84
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:42:00 -
[1194] - Quote
Quote:=Istvaan Shogaatsu]As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats.
Lol nice try, how did you make that one up Mittani...
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Hesperus Vanderbeets
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:43:00 -
[1195] - Quote
This is exactly what's wrong with america rite now. the liberal pinko media is going around with there politcal correctness making citizens change their opinions on things of this nature dont tread on me this is exactly what obama wants and this will not stand a mans opinion is his own and words do no harm to anything so why is anybody upset about this whole nigrebaloo the liberal media like massively and eve is taking this up and running with it just liek that gang member that was shot in florida its a shame that zimmerman is having to hide with his brother because of all the black rage and gangs and black panters and communist partys like al sharpton that are trying to destroy america and make us all muslim because christian doctrim is so compatable with captailistism because they hate capistism and want communish just like brittin or france or china and this will not stand i will not be tread upon you pinkos this is america and the mittani is an american citezin who excersiesed his freedom of speech in iceland he did nothing wrong and nothing will come from it because words do not hurt why are we trying to launch a lynching party against him this is not right the jusice system will do its job and justice will be done the mittan iwas elected democratically and to hate what has happened os not only against hte consutution but is against democialy and will make america like holland where people are euthanized and no elections are hekld with dictators in charge
thanks and god bless!! |

Truce Billis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:43:00 -
[1196] - Quote
Darius III wrote: With Goonswarm at maximum CTA trying to defend Mittani, their post mods will be burned out soon from constantly overheating. It is almost as if they think that their efforts will prove meaningful. This is desperate damage control, it almost seems like Goonies think it will help.
I will miss his efforts in the CSM, but I won't miss him personally. All the comments from Goo-ns in this thread will be made so much more irrelevant after he gets removed.
He has brought shame to CCP, the CSM and the Eve community as a whole. Theo only thing I am glad of, is that he showed his true colors early and now people know exactly what sort of person he is. +1 for that.
Xeross155 wrote:I am bored Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun.
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School Nickname Worldmonkey
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:44:00 -
[1197] - Quote
Xeross155 wrote:I am bored Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun.
In before Grath calls for this guy's assassination (made to look like suicide of course) with the line, "Meta-game this Mittens, you larping ******." |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
198
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:44:00 -
[1198] - Quote
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats.
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seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
113
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:44:00 -
[1199] - Quote
Mr R4nd0m wrote:Quote:=Istvaan Shogaatsu]As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats. Lol nice try, how did you make that one up Mittani...
You are all levels of stupid and know very little about eve if you really assume that's Mittens |

stoicfaux
818
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:44:00 -
[1200] - Quote
Scooter McCabe wrote:I see the concern over this masking a group of unhappy players that the elections did not turn out the way they wanted. I also have to question to what degree has this story been pushed by certain members of the community. Are there people with an agenda that are pushing the story? Probably. Does it change the fact that Mittani actually said what he said? Nope. Is blaming "people with an agenda" for blowing the story out of proportion going to mollify people? Not anymore.
There are (just) enough facts, truths, and Mittani quotes in the case that it is highly unlikely that public opinion will reverse itself and vindicate Mittani.
We'll see what CCP does Tuesday.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
397
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:44:00 -
[1201] - Quote
Xython wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:Still no apology? Stay classy bro. Why would he apologize for doing nothing wrong other than pissing off pubbies. ****, if he wasn't pissing off pubbies I'd demand an apology.
Human beings are pubbies? Was that a serious response? Leave your basement casper. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1438
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:45:00 -
[1202] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Ice Fist wrote: At least we know you are the least relevant of all, even in the irrelevant spaceship universe.
And who the heck are you? I've never heard of you. Ice Fist wrote: Oh, and Mittens may not be able to hold his beer, but if you've ever met the guy, he certainly doesn't fit the description of 'chubby frat boy.' Are you defending its e-waist-size now? No, I'm pointing out how ******** your misinformed post about relevancy and 'lolMittani is fat' was you illiterate moron.
I said he was chubby. It doesn't mean quite the same as fat - though I appreciate such fine distinctions in girth might well fly right over the heads of the typical reactionary colonial like yourself.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
93
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:45:00 -
[1203] - Quote
Katarina Reid wrote:Twulf wrote:Xython wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that. Was it said in game? No? DEAL WITH IT. Game related fuction. Still falls under the EULA and TOS my friend. You goons are funny, little sheep running around protecting dear leader. Where is dear leader at anyway? If he was a real man, he would come say he was sorry and put this whole thing to bed but nope, the little coward is hiding and letting you sheep post away for him. http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.aspYou will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. so is fanfest game servers or website and u dont sign a eula to go to fanfest
As it was an event managed and executed by CCP in a closed enviorment (need to pay to enter) ... it's even worse. CCP is directly responsible for any action of their guests. If one of them used this fanfest platform to call for real world criminal actions CCP can be punished.
If it had been ingame it would ONLY be CCPs problem. If he had used tools out of CCPs control (TS, Vent, his own webspace) it wouldn't be CCPs problem in first place (still had to decided if they want a CSM of this kind). But it happened at an event they managed in real world. That's a totaly different moster ;). Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:46:00 -
[1204] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Do us all a favor and step down. Never before have I so desired a neg rep butan.... |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:46:00 -
[1205] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Ice Fist wrote: At least we know you are the least relevant of all, even in the irrelevant spaceship universe.
And who the heck are you? I've never heard of you. Ice Fist wrote: Oh, and Mittens may not be able to hold his beer, but if you've ever met the guy, he certainly doesn't fit the description of 'chubby frat boy.' Are you defending its e-waist-size now? No, I'm pointing out how ******** your misinformed post about relevancy and 'lolMittani is fat' was you illiterate moron. I said he was chubby. It doesn't mean quite the same as fat - though I appreciate such fine distinctions in girth might well fly right over the heads of the typical reactionary colonial like yourself.
YOU HAVE A *****. also http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/410871/heres-a-goodun#tab=featured |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
78
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:46:00 -
[1206] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Marduk Nibiru wrote:Xython wrote:You guys are noticing that most of the posts are now goons mocking you or people pointing out that you're all wrong, right? Thought I'd pop in and respond to this. I still think what Mittens said was majorly assholish. I also find a great deal of the statements made by his supporters in these threads to be rather disgusting. I just don't think there's anything new to say here. I don't spend all my life trying to convince The Westburough Baptists ******* that they're a bunch of cunts either....and they troll a lot harder than you lot. At some point you've just got to figure what's going to be will be. I suppose that if what Mitten's said and does actually mattered more than it does that I'd be more inclined to spend more time arguing with brick walls. As it is...I think I'd rather just chalk this off as another example of cultural decay in the modern world and move on with my all too short existence. Only people who've bought their own hype could believe that a group of howlers winning at the biggest noise contest could actually mean anything. Again, not a major sign of intelligence. Let the lemmings run off the cliff I say. If they think the group must know right, let them test that hypothesis. Yeah cause none of use have had to deal with someone they love committing suicide or anything? Sorry what he did is indefensible he crossed the line.
What an interesting response to what I said. |

knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
83
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:46:00 -
[1207] - Quote
Truce Billis wrote:Darius III wrote: With Goonswarm at maximum CTA trying to defend Mittani, their post mods will be burned out soon from constantly overheating. It is almost as if they think that their efforts will prove meaningful. This is desperate damage control, it almost seems like Goonies think it will help.
I will miss his efforts in the CSM, but I won't miss him personally. All the comments from Goo-ns in this thread will be made so much more irrelevant after he gets removed.
He has brought shame to CCP, the CSM and the Eve community as a whole. Theo only thing I am glad of, is that he showed his true colors early and now people know exactly what sort of person he is. +1 for that. Xeross155 wrote:I am bored Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun.
We need a petition about his use of the English language.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2318
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:46:00 -
[1208] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:As it was an event managed and executed by CCP in a closed enviorment (need to pay to enter) ... it's even worse. CCP is directly responsible for any action of their guests. If one of them used this fanfest platform to call for real world criminal actions CCP can be punished.
Then it's a good thing he didn't do that!
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:46:00 -
[1209] - Quote
Darius III wrote: With Goonswarm at maximum CTA trying to defend Mittani, their post mods will be burned out soon from constantly overheating. It is almost as if they think that their efforts will prove meaningful. This is desperate damage control, it almost seems like Goonies think it will help.
I will miss his efforts in the CSM, but I won't miss him personally. All the comments from Goo-ns in this thread will be made so much more irrelevant after he gets removed.
He has brought shame to CCP, the CSM and the Eve community as a whole. Theo only thing I am glad of, is that he showed his true colors early and now people know exactly what sort of person he is. +1 for that.
hahahahahahahahahaha
Hey there 'Guy who broke the NDA for riverini.' Please, continue to claim the moral highground like you're some kind of internet spaceship saint. |

Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:46:00 -
[1210] - Quote
so many lawyers in here |
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Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
69
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:47:00 -
[1211] - Quote
Moro Oskold wrote:guys pls dont mess with suicide since i almost tried to kill myself
my boyfriend managed to dissuade me before i figuratively pulled the trigger but i'm not so sure he'll be successful the next time i feel like ****
my parents are disowning me because in their eyes i am nothing but a leech. they do not like the course i am taking up in college. they think a course in fine arts will lead to nothing. they are expecting me to just get a job and pay them back for my schooling. but i can't do that. i can't sacrifice my education and dream for their expectations
i have no one to run to. my boyfriend lives too far away. he is a student like i am. i can't get a job, even a parttime one because no one will accept me. i don't know what to do anymore
today my parents told me i was unwanted, and that i'm worthless. all because of ******* money. all of my effort in improving myself in terms of personality, art skills, my grades, everything, it's all worthless because i can't give them back money.
at first they were happy i was able to get some commissions off deviantart, but when they realized it was only ~$20 a piece, they started hating me again. i don't think i can ever live up to their expectations. i've never felt like they loved me. it all boils down to money for them.
i feel like an empty shell of a person now. i'm sorry if nothing i say makes sense anymore, i just really need a place to rant.
If you're serious: Seek professional help. Seriously. I dont know you. I don't care about you. That's what happens when you look for help and support from an Internet spaceship forum. But there are people who do care about you and do care whether you kill yourself or not. Talk to them about it. You're looking for help in the wrong place.
Also, you have ****** parents.
If you're trolling: Well-played. |

Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:47:00 -
[1212] - Quote
Darius III wrote: With Goonswarm at maximum CTA trying to defend Mittani, their post mods will be burned out soon from constantly overheating. It is almost as if they think that their efforts will prove meaningful. This is desperate damage control, it almost seems like Goonies think it will help.
I will miss his efforts in the CSM, but I won't miss him personally. All the comments from Goo-ns in this thread will be made so much more irrelevant after he gets removed.
He has brought shame to CCP, the CSM and the Eve community as a whole. Theo only thing I am glad of, is that he showed his true colors early and now people know exactly what sort of person he is. +1 for that.
you really don't understand how much we like posting if you think this an abnormally large volume of posts or that we'll ever stop posting |

Kridak
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:47:00 -
[1213] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah cause none of use have had to deal with someone they love committing suicide or anything?
Sorry what he did is indefensible he crossed the line.
With that standard there'll be no more jokes ever in the world and no one will ever be able to speak about anything.
Peanuts kill allergic people so you can't talk about that. Cars hit people and some get paralyzed for life so you can't make car jokes.
I have a mental illness that's incurable but I don't mind people making fun of my disability. What I find offensive is people ignoring it or judging it while still being ignorant on the subject. But I don't want to make being dumb something that is illegal, also I love making fun of them, you know those dumb ignorant masses who takes offence over necrophilia and baby-**** jokes but laughs at a rubber-chicken. |

MentaL DoG
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
19
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:47:00 -
[1214] - Quote
SFYL hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Love many, trust few, always paddle your own canoe.VOTE D3 FOR CSM |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
12
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:47:00 -
[1215] - Quote
Katarina Reid wrote:Twulf wrote:Xython wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that. Was it said in game? No? DEAL WITH IT. Game related fuction. Still falls under the EULA and TOS my friend. You goons are funny, little sheep running around protecting dear leader. Where is dear leader at anyway? If he was a real man, he would come say he was sorry and put this whole thing to bed but nope, the little coward is hiding and letting you sheep post away for him. http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.aspYou will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. so is fanfest game servers or website and u dont sign a eula to go to fanfest
You do understand that this will not stand up in the court of law.... Just like the sign's that say "Play at your own risk" do not stand up in court.
They are responsible for what happens because of their game by law. Sorry, you should get informed, its not like we live in the information age or anything. Oh right we do. |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:47:00 -
[1216] - Quote
Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions.
He, as a CSM, suggested to people that they break the game's rules. Is that acceptable conduct for a CSM?
Everything else in this argument is irrelevant, emotionally-charged illogical drivel. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
515
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:48:00 -
[1217] - Quote
I don,t care about this Mitani ,but you are not helping your CEO . Looks like you want to destroy him ,i thought you were a mitani alt ,now i think you are a spy pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:48:00 -
[1218] - Quote
I am personallyoutraged and will not stand for this.
How absolutely horrendous? And terrible? How F*cked up this situation! It's simply unimaginable, unacceptable, unthinkable. The level of is unfathomable. God golly jeepers on horsesh!t, how did this come to pass? Everyone involved should beashamed of themselves.
All of you pubbies deserve to be punished, for messing with the jking of Space |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2318
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:49:00 -
[1219] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions..
Well that's a relief since there was nothing wrong with his actions.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
674
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:49:00 -
[1220] - Quote
Darius III wrote: With Goonswarm at maximum CTA trying to defend Mittani, their post mods will be burned out soon from constantly overheating. It is almost as if they think that their efforts will prove meaningful. This is desperate damage control, it almost seems like Goonies think it will help.
I will miss his efforts in the CSM, but I won't miss him personally. All the comments from Goo-ns in this thread will be made so much more irrelevant after he gets removed.
He has brought shame to CCP, the CSM and the Eve community as a whole. Theo only thing I am glad of, is that he showed his true colors early and now people know exactly what sort of person he is. +1 for that.
how does it feel to only be in the CSM due to getting the pity vote |
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baltec1
871
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:49:00 -
[1221] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:Scooter McCabe wrote:I see the concern over this masking a group of unhappy players that the elections did not turn out the way they wanted. I also have to question to what degree has this story been pushed by certain members of the community. Are there people with an agenda that are pushing the story? Probably. Does it change the fact that Mittani actually said what he said? Nope. Is blaming "people with an agenda" for blowing the story out of proportion going to mollify people? Not anymore. There are (just) enough facts, truths, and Mittani quotes in the case that it is highly unlikely that public opinion will reverse itself and vindicate Mittani. We'll see what CCP does Tuesday.
The comments mittens made are said day in day out on c+p and throughout all of eve in counteless corps and alliances. |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:50:00 -
[1222] - Quote
This thread is now a discussion of The Mittani's relative chubbiness. |

Darc Kaahar
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:50:00 -
[1223] - Quote
Hi |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:50:00 -
[1224] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions.. Well that's a relief since there was nothing wrong with his actions. So am I correct in assuming that you believe it is acceptable for a CSM to suggest that people break the game rules?
What if a CSM told people to start botting, and gave them good locations to do it in where they wouldn't get caught? Would that also be acceptable? |

Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:51:00 -
[1225] - Quote
Twulf wrote:You do understand that this will not stand up in the court of law....
lmbo |

Tenga Halaris
Exit Strategies
23
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:52:00 -
[1226] - Quote
Has anyone of the White Knights realized, that this is not about a real person, but about a Character in a RPGAME? Whoever "The Wiz" is in reallife, he is absolutely safe and could change his ingame name in no time.
Just sayin'... |

baltec1
871
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:53:00 -
[1227] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions.. Well that's a relief since there was nothing wrong with his actions. So am I correct in assuming that you believe it is acceptable for a CSM to suggest that people break the game rules? What if a CSM told people to start botting, and gave them good locations to do it in where they wouldn't get caught? Would that also be acceptable?
Yes if it was a joke. Which is what this is. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
515
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:53:00 -
[1228] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions.. Well that's a relief since there was nothing wrong with his actions.
ouch ,yes if his actions were ok,nobody bothered but now ,well i don,t know.
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1093
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:53:00 -
[1229] - Quote
Why are people complaining on an Internet forum about a real life event?
Sure, if Alex had pulled this stunt on US soil he might be expecting to face charges of incitement or whatever cyber bullying laws the USA has in place. But the "crime" was committed in Iceland, where US law doesn't apply.
Just face the fact that the guy is a sociopath, and don't vote for him next time. He was, apparently, a successful lawyer, so that's all the evidence you need to know that he is a bad person.
Of course, I'd also like to see CCP extend the age limit on voting to accounts that are more than six months old. 30 days of subscription seems a little short to me, and is easy to game using the Buddy Invite system. Not that I'm suggesting that 10k votes for The Mittani were from temporary accounts activated for the purpose of electing him: I would never accuse a politician of committing electoral fraud 
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:53:00 -
[1230] - Quote
I just have to ask, what does the term 'pubbie' mean?
Or is it just part of the strange argot used by goonies? |
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Isonda
The Candiru None Of The Above
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:53:00 -
[1231] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions.. Well that's a relief since there was nothing wrong with his actions. So am I correct in assuming that you believe it is acceptable for a CSM to suggest that people break the game rules? What if a CSM told people to start botting, and gave them good locations to do it in where they wouldn't get caught? Would that also be acceptable?
Yes, because there is an in-game mechanics for that. Actually several.
1: report the bot 2: camp the bot 3: SBU the system, take control of it and throw the bastard back to empire.
So, to VFK you go. Go evict The Mittani, bring a truck. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1438
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:53:00 -
[1232] - Quote
Hench Tenet wrote: Wow. Where do I even start? OK. Mittens doesn't look chubby to me.
Well I know these kind of fraternity groups often have quite different ideals of male beauty ... In some cultures a beer gut is considered an attractive trait. If he's the apple of your eye who am I to criticise?
Hench Tenet wrote: The goons are the least submissive people in the game.
Oh come on! 10,000 people walking lockstep in CTA posting formation in defense of a silly frat boy staggering around after a couple of bottles of weak icelandic beer? Thats pretty subsmissive behaviour. Goonswarm as an entity makes a virtue of dehumanising its membership and making them cogs in a greater machine in service to the hierachy. It operates successfully by the same principles of any religious cult really - stripping away notions of individuality and making those without remaining esteem better identify with the organization and its "great leader".
Its a submissive relationship between the drone and the hive queen, the cultist and the cult master. I can honestly say I've rarely met any goons with much independent personality (and only then) once they've generally got out of the organization altogether.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:54:00 -
[1233] - Quote
WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE WIZ? |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:55:00 -
[1234] - Quote
I hear Mittens enjoys eating kittens.
Or maybe it was Thai food he enjoys. I forget. |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
674
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:55:00 -
[1235] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Hench Tenet wrote: Wow. Where do I even start? OK. Mittens doesn't look chubby to me. Well I know these kind of fraternity groups often have quite different ideals of male beauty ... In some cultures a beer gut is considered an attractive trait. If he's the apple of your eye who am I to criticise? Hench Tenet wrote: The goons are the least submissive people in the game. Oh come on! 10,000 people walking lockstep in CTA posting formation in defense of a silly frat boy staggering around after a couple of bottles of weak icelandic beer? Thats pretty subsmissive behaviour. Goonswarm as an entity makes a virtue of dehumanising its membership and making them cogs in a greater machine in service to the hierachy. It operates successfully by the same principles of any religious cult really - stripping away notions of individuality and making those without remaining esteem better identify with the organization and its "great leader". Its a submissive relationship between the drone and the hive queen, the cultist and the cult master. I can honestly say I've rarely met any goons with much independent personality (and only then) once they've generally got out of the organization altogether.
how does it feel to roleplay a futanari brothel owner |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2320
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:55:00 -
[1236] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions.. Well that's a relief since there was nothing wrong with his actions. So am I correct in assuming that you believe it is acceptable for a CSM to suggest that people break the game rules?
No but he didn't do that so it's irrelevant. Also, the discussion took place out of game so in-game rules are also irrelevant.
Quote:What if a CSM told people to start botting, and gave them good locations to do it in where they wouldn't get caught? Would that also be acceptable?
Sure. Botting is CCP's responsibility...I don't care what people do.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
515
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:55:00 -
[1237] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Scooter McCabe wrote:I see the concern over this masking a group of unhappy players that the elections did not turn out the way they wanted. I also have to question to what degree has this story been pushed by certain members of the community. Are there people with an agenda that are pushing the story? Probably. Does it change the fact that Mittani actually said what he said? Nope. Is blaming "people with an agenda" for blowing the story out of proportion going to mollify people? Not anymore. There are (just) enough facts, truths, and Mittani quotes in the case that it is highly unlikely that public opinion will reverse itself and vindicate Mittani. We'll see what CCP does Tuesday. The comments mittens made are said day in day out on c+p and throughout all of eve in counteless corps and alliances.
yep maybe you are right,but now its recorded on a live ccp event.
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
119
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:55:00 -
[1238] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Hench Tenet wrote: Wow. Where do I even start? OK. Mittens doesn't look chubby to me. Well I know these kind of fraternity groups often have quite different ideals of male beauty ... In some cultures a beer gut is considered an attractive trait. If he's the apple of your eye who am I to criticise? Hench Tenet wrote: The goons are the least submissive people in the game. Oh come on! 10,000 people walking lockstep in CTA posting formation in defense of a silly frat boy staggering around after a couple of bottles of weak icelandic beer? Thats pretty subsmissive behaviour. Goonswarm as an entity makes a virtue of dehumanising its membership and making them cogs in a greater machine in service to the hierachy. It operates successfully by the same principles of any religious cult really - stripping away notions of individuality and making those without remaining esteem better identify with the organization and its "great leader". Its a submissive relationship between the drone and the hive queen, the cultist and the cult master. I can honestly say I've rarely met any goons with much independent personality (and only then) once they've generally got out of the organization altogether.
You're implying we had any form of instruction to shitpost
NEVER. STOP. POSTING.
Also you have a ***** not a vajayjay |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
358
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:55:00 -
[1239] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:As it was an event managed and executed by CCP in a closed enviorment (need to pay to enter) ... it's even worse. CCP is directly responsible for any action of their guests. If one of them used this fanfest platform to call for real world criminal actions CCP can be punished. Then it's a good thing he didn't do that!
I've always found the cartoon "Goons" character, with their leader, the Nefarious MITTANI, that exists in these pubbie morons' heads to be the most endearing creation.
No matter what Goons do, we'll never be as mean or as assholish as the made up goon in these idiots' heads. |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
674
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:56:00 -
[1240] - Quote
my name is jade constantine and guys i'm a girl honest |
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:56:00 -
[1241] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Ice Fist wrote: At least we know you are the least relevant of all, even in the irrelevant spaceship universe.
And who the heck are you? I've never heard of you. Ice Fist wrote: Oh, and Mittens may not be able to hold his beer, but if you've ever met the guy, he certainly doesn't fit the description of 'chubby frat boy.' Are you defending its e-waist-size now? No, I'm pointing out how ******** your misinformed post about relevancy and 'lolMittani is fat' was you illiterate moron. I said he was chubby. It doesn't mean quite the same as fat - though I appreciate such fine distinctions in girth might well fly right over the heads of the typical reactionary colonial like yourself.
Reactionary Colonial? I don't get it, is this supposed to be an insult to Americans? If so, lol, if not then I am just not smart enough to follow your advanced and subtle banter. I'm glad of that too, because it's not funny anyway.
Dear god you just can't stand that I made your "nobody is relevant in internet spaceships" post and turned it to show that by your own logic you're irrelevant too even though you're one of the biggest attention whores in the game (second only to Mittens, but at least his motives are honest). |

Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
621
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:56:00 -
[1242] - Quote
With the attention of all online gaming publishing venues and gamers around the world; Mittins has put CCP into a tight spot with only two choices. Each one will speak volumes about CCP as a company and what current and possible new players can expect from EVE and any other games under CCP.
If they ban Mittins and all associated accounts it will send the message that cyber bullying is not tolerated no matter who is doing it. If they don't ban Mittins it will send the clear message that CCP supports cyber bullying.
The world is watching.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2335
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:56:00 -
[1243] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I just have to ask, what does the term 'pubbie' mean?
Or is it just part of the strange argot used by goonies?
It just means somebody who is not a member of somethingawful.com.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:57:00 -
[1244] - Quote
Ahhhh 2012. Who'd have thought.. Obama AND The Mittani both thrown out on their asses.
Moar Goon tears. MooOaAAaRR! |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:57:00 -
[1245] - Quote
esc shk wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Hench Tenet wrote: Wow. Where do I even start? OK. Mittens doesn't look chubby to me. Well I know these kind of fraternity groups often have quite different ideals of male beauty ... In some cultures a beer gut is considered an attractive trait. If he's the apple of your eye who am I to criticise? Hench Tenet wrote: The goons are the least submissive people in the game. Oh come on! 10,000 people walking lockstep in CTA posting formation in defense of a silly frat boy staggering around after a couple of bottles of weak icelandic beer? Thats pretty subsmissive behaviour. Goonswarm as an entity makes a virtue of dehumanising its membership and making them cogs in a greater machine in service to the hierachy. It operates successfully by the same principles of any religious cult really - stripping away notions of individuality and making those without remaining esteem better identify with the organization and its "great leader". Its a submissive relationship between the drone and the hive queen, the cultist and the cult master. I can honestly say I've rarely met any goons with much independent personality (and only then) once they've generally got out of the organization altogether. You're implying we had any form of instruction to shitpost NEVER. STOP. POSTING. Also you have a ***** not a vajayjay The Mittani eve-mailed me personally to come to his defense on the forums. You didn't get that same eve-mail? |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
359
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:57:00 -
[1246] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Hench Tenet wrote: Wow. Where do I even start? OK. Mittens doesn't look chubby to me. Well I know these kind of fraternity groups often have quite different ideals of male beauty ... In some cultures a beer gut is considered an attractive trait. If he's the apple of your eye who am I to criticise? Hench Tenet wrote: The goons are the least submissive people in the game. Oh come on! 10,000 people walking lockstep in CTA posting formation in defense of a silly frat boy staggering around after a couple of bottles of weak icelandic beer? Thats pretty subsmissive behaviour. Goonswarm as an entity makes a virtue of dehumanising its membership and making them cogs in a greater machine in service to the hierachy. It operates successfully by the same principles of any religious cult really - stripping away notions of individuality and making those without remaining esteem better identify with the organization and its "great leader". Its a submissive relationship between the drone and the hive queen, the cultist and the cult master. I can honestly say I've rarely met any goons with much independent personality (and only then) once they've generally got out of the organization altogether. how does it feel to roleplay a futanari brothel owner
Now hold on just a goddamned minute. I heard they're adding mixed-race characters to the game, but they're also adding a Hermaphrodite slider?
BRB, adding Shitting DIcknipples to my toon
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oldbutfeelingyoung
515
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:57:00 -
[1247] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote: WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE WIZ?
Well the WIZ is the only one who can stop this thread ,maybe mittens could make a deal
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

baltec1
872
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:58:00 -
[1248] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Why are people complaining on an Internet forum about a real life event?
Sure, if Alex had pulled this stunt on US soil he might be expecting to face charges of incitement or whatever cyber bullying laws the USA has in place. But the "crime" was committed in Iceland, where US law doesn't apply.
Just face the fact that the guy is a sociopath, and don't vote for him next time. He was apparently a successful lawyer, so that's all the evidence you need to know that he is a bad person.
What he said has been said thousands of times before. Its nothing special and should been seen as it is. A joke in a speech aimed at people in his alliance. |

Darc Kaahar
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
16
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:58:00 -
[1249] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:
The world is watching.
lol
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
675
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:58:00 -
[1250] - Quote
Xython wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Hench Tenet wrote: Wow. Where do I even start? OK. Mittens doesn't look chubby to me. Well I know these kind of fraternity groups often have quite different ideals of male beauty ... In some cultures a beer gut is considered an attractive trait. If he's the apple of your eye who am I to criticise? Hench Tenet wrote: The goons are the least submissive people in the game. Oh come on! 10,000 people walking lockstep in CTA posting formation in defense of a silly frat boy staggering around after a couple of bottles of weak icelandic beer? Thats pretty subsmissive behaviour. Goonswarm as an entity makes a virtue of dehumanising its membership and making them cogs in a greater machine in service to the hierachy. It operates successfully by the same principles of any religious cult really - stripping away notions of individuality and making those without remaining esteem better identify with the organization and its "great leader". Its a submissive relationship between the drone and the hive queen, the cultist and the cult master. I can honestly say I've rarely met any goons with much independent personality (and only then) once they've generally got out of the organization altogether. how does it feel to roleplay a futanari brothel owner Now hold on just a goddamned minute. I heard they're adding mixed-race characters to the game, but they're also adding a Hermaphrodite slider? BRB, adding Shitting DIcknipples to my toon
SHITTING DICKNIPPLES.jpg
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
280
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:58:00 -
[1251] - Quote
ILikeMarkets wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Why do you people always blur the line between the mittani the Goon Alliance leader (note the pannel name in question here); eve pilot and the mittani the CSM chair? just becase you are on the CSM doesn't mean your eve play is dead and no longer allowed. get over your selves all ready TIA. This is far past eve play. This is trying to basically lead to a real death of a real human being for his own personal amusement. What he did would be considered a serious crime in many countries if that person really did take their life after this. He best pray to whatever gods he does or does not believe in that this person doesn't die any time soon, or he will have serious legal problems on his hands. First and for most, who is your main, and what does he do? I just can't decide if this is a troll or not, I mean really, how dumb are you? You might want to step out side for a bit, you might find out that oxygen from trees will help with your delutions and the feeling that your are great is only correct at your moms house. What part of him saying "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [REMOVED]," do you not seem to understand? Do you understand what cyber-bullying laws entail, including the punishments that come along with them? You don't seem to understand that in the real world there are consequences for your actions, and those consequences can sometimes include legal action.
Precisely this. I've dealt with depression for around 15 years now, but I've dealt with it myself. The player claiming that he was going to commit suicide shouldn't have fone that, it's not for people in a video game to deal with his problems, or people on any of the depression/anxiety sites that are out there, they need to speak to a health care professional.
When my depression became difficult to deal with a couple of years ago I took some time out from the game, played much more casually than I did before that and do now. That's the advice that Mittani should have given at Fan Fest, step away from the game for a while, have a break and sort your problems out instead of taking the game so seriously, not broadcast the communication he had with him and offer his contact details for others to compound any problem there may have been, real or made up.
Whether that player was really depressed or not is irrelevant now, the actions taken my Mittani are there for all to see, and not just by EVE players. As is often said, your actions have consequences, we shall see what they are.
Using his own words, he needs to ~deal with it~ WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
78
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:58:00 -
[1252] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions.. Well that's a relief since there was nothing wrong with his actions. So am I correct in assuming that you believe it is acceptable for a CSM to suggest that people break the game rules? What if a CSM told people to start botting, and gave them good locations to do it in where they wouldn't get caught? Would that also be acceptable?
I can imagine a context in which it would be. Considering that the players have been trying to get CCP to do something about botting for a long time, if the CSM became aware of CCP allowing botting somewhere...or making a game change to make botting easier...etc...yeah. It'd probably get them sued, but I can see a case for whistleblowing there and that could involve telling people how to take advantage of the problem. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2335
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:59:00 -
[1253] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:Ahhhh 2012. Who'd have thought.. Obama AND The Mittani both thrown out on their asses.
Moar Goon tears. MooOaAAaRR!
Oh boy...you're going to be very disappointed twice then.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
69
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:59:00 -
[1254] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Why are people complaining on an Internet forum about a real life event?
Sure, if Alex had pulled this stunt on US soil he might be expecting to face charges of incitement or whatever cyber bullying laws the USA has in place. But the "crime" was committed in Iceland, where US law doesn't apply.
Off topic, but disturbing none the less, this actually popped up in congress a couple months ago. They want US law to apply anywhere on Earth. For example if you break a US law in another country, then ever enter/reenter the US, they want to be able to charge you for it, regardless of legality where the act was committed. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
119
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:59:00 -
[1255] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:Ahhhh 2012. Who'd have thought.. Obama AND The Mittani both thrown out on their asses.
Moar Goon tears. MooOaAAaRR!
Tell us more about drinking the Fox News Kool-aid |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
359
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 21:59:00 -
[1256] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Xython wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote: how does it feel to roleplay a futanari brothel owner
Now hold on just a goddamned minute. I heard they're adding mixed-race characters to the game, but they're also adding a Hermaphrodite slider? BRB, adding Shitting DIcknipples to my toon SHITTING DICKNIPPLES.jpg
Shitting Dicknipples for EVERYONE! Hell, Monocle, Top Hat, and SDNs, we might have a RMT system that goons can get behind! |

baltec1
872
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:00:00 -
[1257] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
yep maybe you are right,but now its recorded on a live ccp event.
They have been for years. And on this forum and on eve-kill and on battleclinic. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
359
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:00:00 -
[1258] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:Ahhhh 2012. Who'd have thought.. Obama AND The Mittani both thrown out on their asses.
Moar Goon tears. MooOaAAaRR! Oh boy...you're going to be very disappointed twice then.
It does certainly explain a lot, doesn't it? |

Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
142
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:00:00 -
[1259] - Quote
Someone came all the way from their home country to Iceland just to tell one guy he was going to kill himself, over a video game mind you.
Does anyone not see the flaw behind this idea? Sounds like we have a professional troll on our hands. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1439
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:01:00 -
[1260] - Quote
esc shk wrote: You're implying we had any form of instruction to shitpost
See thats the thing about cult programming old chap, once you've had your self-esteem removed alongside any notion of individual violition and personal responsibility its quite easy to condition your activities by simple hierarchy and peer pressure. You don't "need" instructions any more than a rat needs to be commanded to eat the cheese.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:01:00 -
[1261] - Quote
BTW
59,109 votes were cast.
That means 49,000 people voted AGAINST Mittens.
~49,000~ |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:01:00 -
[1262] - Quote
Aileren wrote:Twulf wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? Neither since he didn't do anything wrong. Wrong, He did something wrong, he tried to start an event to get someone to kill themselves, that is wrong. It does not matter how you spin it, it is wrong to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. End of Debate. Your parents failed as parents if you do not understand someting as simple as this. Everyone should know right from wrong at this point in their life, if not your parents were bad parents. It is wrong to try and gather a group of people who's goal is to push someone to kill themselves. How is that not wrong? Reguardless of this being a video game or not, trying to get someone to kill themselves is WRONG. You need to get a clue. Idiots like you are the problem with the world, too dumb to know how stupid they are. Prove actual malice please.
Why would I have to prove actual malice? He clearly said that if you wish to get this person to kill themselves and gave out the person info. Reguardless of malice, it is wrong to try and push someone to kill themselves.
We are not talking about a court case here were I have to prove anything. This is about right and wrong. It is WRONG to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. What do you not understand? Clearly you do not understand logic or common sense and clearly your parents failed at being parents. |

ganks theman
Planet Watchers
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:01:00 -
[1263] - Quote
guy wins all time he in goons ganks theman =-á gangster man :P |

David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
205
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:02:00 -
[1264] - Quote
thekiller2002us wrote:Xython wrote:Random thought: What's Iceland's Cyber Bullying law state about this? Since this took place in Iceland? And thus American law means diddly ******* SQUAT.
What's that? Iceland doesn't have one?
Iceland may or may not have cyber bullying laws- but they are a member state of the European Union and the EU have laws on cyber bullying. Dont ask me to provide you a link- google it yourself- i'm not lazy- its just that trying to get goons to retain information is like trying to make water stay in a sieve- it just never happens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Iceland_to_the_European_Union
Status Candidate
Hopes this help. Now go and be space messiah some more. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2333
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:02:00 -
[1265] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:BTW
59,109 votes were cast.
That means 49,000 people voted AGAINST Mittens.
~49,000~
Yet he's the chairman...that must really irritate you.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:02:00 -
[1266] - Quote
MOAR GOON TEARS
~ 49,000 ~ |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
359
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:02:00 -
[1267] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:BTW
59,109 votes were cast.
That means 49,000 people voted AGAINST Mittens.
~49,000~
Can't argue with that, that's math |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
198
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:02:00 -
[1268] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:esc shk wrote: You're implying we had any form of instruction to shitpost
See thats the thing about cult programming old chap, once you've had your self-esteem removed alongside any notion of individual violition and personal responsibility its quite easy to condition your activities by simple hierarchy and peer pressure. You don't "need" instructions any more than a rat needs to be commanded to eat the cheese.
You've been roleplaying too long and it's affecting your ability to reason.
Step away from the keyboard.
|

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:02:00 -
[1269] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:BTW
59,109 votes were cast.
That means 49,000 people voted AGAINST Mittens.
~49,000~ Yet he's the chairman...that must really irritate you.
Correction... WAS. |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:02:00 -
[1270] - Quote
All I know is that you should never believe Mittens when he promises he won't get any semen in your hair. This alone makes him unfit for the CSM. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2333
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:03:00 -
[1271] - Quote
Twulf wrote:We are not talking about a court case here were I have to prove anything. This is about right and wrong. It is WRONG to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. What do you not understand? Clearly you do not understand logic or common sense and clearly your parents failed at being parents.
I didn't realize that RIGHT and WRONG were dictated by Eve Online player Twulf.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
156
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:03:00 -
[1272] - Quote
I am highly disappointed with this thread. I left at page 50 to go do something, come back an hour later and we're only on page 63. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1439
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:03:00 -
[1273] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote: Reactionary Colonial? I don't get it, is this supposed to be an insult to Americans? If so, lol, if not then I am just not smart enough to follow your advanced and subtle banter. I'm glad of that too, because it's not funny anyway. Dear god you just can't stand that I made your "nobody is relevant in internet spaceships" post and turned it to show that by your own logic you're irrelevant too even though you're one of the biggest attention whores in the game (second only to Mittens, but at least his motives are honest).
Whoa there cowboy!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
156
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:04:00 -
[1274] - Quote
Oh, uh... page 64. Still disappointed. |

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:04:00 -
[1275] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote: Sure, if Alex had pulled this stunt on US soil he might be expecting to face charges of incitement or whatever cyber bullying laws the USA has in place. But the "crime" was committed in Iceland, where US law doesn't apply.
Sorry wrong.
As an citizen of the USA the USA law is allways active for him no matter where in the world he is. The Iceland law comes in addition to the USA law.
So practical he can be punished twice ;). Once by the USA court of justice, once by the Iceland court of justice.
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
119
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:04:00 -
[1276] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:esc shk wrote: You're implying we had any form of instruction to shitpost
See thats the thing about cult programming old chap, once you've had your self-esteem removed alongside any notion of individual violition and personal responsibility its quite easy to condition your activities by simple hierarchy and peer pressure. You don't "need" instructions any more than a rat needs to be commanded to eat the cheese.
I'm just gonna quote Grath here
Quote: SURE AM GLAD YOU GOT A PSYCHOLOGY DEGREE FROM THAT BOX OF CRACKERJACKS.
If you want to spend your days and nights talking somebody down off a ledge, feel free, but if a little boy from ******* Japan can watch his entire family wash out to ******* sea on the back of a big ******* wave, yet still manage to get up the next morning and go on with life, considering suicide over a video game makes you a ****.
I can give you a trillion more examples like that, and if you are such a fuckin ***** that you feel that your only way out is to die then I completely back your play.
OH, and I got a degree from a box of cracker jacks too, my psychological evaluation of you is as follows: You're a *****.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2333
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:04:00 -
[1277] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:BTW
59,109 votes were cast.
That means 49,000 people voted AGAINST Mittens.
~49,000~ Yet he's the chairman...that must really irritate you. Correction... WAS.
Only in your fantasies.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:04:00 -
[1278] - Quote
Keep up the tears pubbies, whine and make this threadnaught 10,058 pages long |

baltec1
872
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:04:00 -
[1279] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:
Correction... WAS.
Still is. |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
381
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:04:00 -
[1280] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I just have to ask, what does the term 'pubbie' mean?
Or is it just part of the strange argot used by goonies? It just means somebody who is not a member of somethingawful.com.
Where did you get your SA degree?
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:04:00 -
[1281] - Quote
Xeross155 wrote:I am bored Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun.
The Wiz seems remarkably chill over the Mittani openly mocking him before the entire EVE community and publicly humiliating him. And he didn't even know!
How. Dumb.
I believe this why?
And lets say I believe this. I don't. But lets say I do.
Did the Mittani know any of this when he went rabid? No? That's right. The Wis could have actually been suicidal, Mittani didn't know.
Of course, this doesn't change any of the many, many other issues. But I do appreciate that you rabid dogs have stopped your "LOL! Use you real account!!!!111!!!! You coward!" mouthing off. Not because that makes you good people, but simply because I don't have to listen to it anymore.
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:05:00 -
[1282] - Quote
didn't we already have the alternative vote argument |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2350
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:05:00 -
[1283] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I just have to ask, what does the term 'pubbie' mean?
Or is it just part of the strange argot used by goonies? It just means somebody who is not a member of somethingawful.com. Where did you get your SA degree?
:tenbux: University
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
515
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:05:00 -
[1284] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
yep maybe you are right,but now its recorded on a live ccp event.
They have been for years. And on this forum and on eve-kill and on battleclinic.
and on camera now presented by you through powerpointslides again on camera so the whole thing was prepared ,TO get this WIZ guy to commit suicide
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
391
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:05:00 -
[1285] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:As an citizen of the USA the USA law is allways active for him no matter where in the world he is. The Iceland law comes in addition to the USA law. trolololololololol
Wow your idiocy endurance is as great as the Fuhrer himself I swear
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
680
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:06:00 -
[1286] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:baltec1 wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
yep maybe you are right,but now its recorded on a live ccp event.
They have been for years. And on this forum and on eve-kill and on battleclinic. and on camera now presented by you through powerpointslides again on camera so the whole thing was prepared ,TO get this WIZ guy to commit suicide
:tinfoil: |

Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
417
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:06:00 -
[1287] - Quote
Personally i'm just excited to see if we can fill up the entire first page of General Discussion with mittani threads
Remember, if you post here now its just going to get burried. Make sure you start a whole new topic so people will get a chance to read what you have to say. And also, if Mittani's name is in the thread topic then chances are more people will read it. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:06:00 -
[1288] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Personally i'm just excited to see if we can fill up the entire first page of General Discussion with mittani threads
challenge accepted |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1442
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:06:00 -
[1289] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:esc shk wrote: You're implying we had any form of instruction to shitpost
See thats the thing about cult programming old chap, once you've had your self-esteem removed alongside any notion of individual violition and personal responsibility its quite easy to condition your activities by simple hierarchy and peer pressure. You don't "need" instructions any more than a rat needs to be commanded to eat the cheese. You've been roleplaying too long and it's affecting your ability to reason. Step away from the keyboard.
Wounded that I am by your critique I fancy I'll soldier on regardless.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2350
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:07:00 -
[1290] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:As an citizen of the USA the USA law is allways active for him no matter where in the world he is. The Iceland law comes in addition to the USA law. trolololololololol Wow your idiocy endurance is as great as the Fuhrer himself I swear
Internet Lawyers who don't actually know anything about the law are almost as funny as katana-wielding martial artsists who are 200 pounds overweight.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
87
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:07:00 -
[1291] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:
You've been roleplaying too long and it's affecting your ability to reason.
Step away from the keyboard.
LOL- this coming from a guy who was banned for telling a dev to die in a ball of fire I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal.. |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:07:00 -
[1292] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:esc shk wrote: You're implying we had any form of instruction to shitpost
See thats the thing about cult programming old chap, once you've had your self-esteem removed alongside any notion of individual violition and personal responsibility its quite easy to condition your activities by simple hierarchy and peer pressure. You don't "need" instructions any more than a rat needs to be commanded to eat the cheese.
I don't know if you know this, but ANY large organization in eve can be called a cult, using your own logic and psuedo-internet sociologist garbage that you spew here like some sort of cult-expert. In fact, as the leader of an alliance you are a cult leader and your members are nothing but peons following your will. And when they don't do what you say, or disagree with you you probably kick them.
You know, most people have some sort of spy access to our forums. The fact that you don't is not only near-shocking, but also clear evidence that you don't have any idea what our alliance culture is like beyond when you see us trolling the crap out of you on these forums. |

Shemham Phorash
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:07:00 -
[1293] - Quote
mittens shame on u, saying stuff like that, and another thing u can not even handle ur drink , grow up fella, and stop acting like ur king dingleing , u should never have made remarks like you did ,
ccp needs to act on this if they dont this game and its rules and regulations do not mean jack,
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
480
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:08:00 -
[1294] - Quote
Actually... I wonder what are we supposed to do if someone threatens to self destruct their RL pod? I've had people loose several billion to me in scams and have, on rare occasion, gotten the "give me back my isk or I'll off myself" threats in my EvE mail, to which I generally reply with the standard "your stuff: I can haz?" Is there something else I'm supposed to do? Should I petition stuff like that? Honest question here... honestly hadn't thought about it up to now. Is there a policy on this?
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Selinate
705
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:08:00 -
[1295] - Quote
So the Goon strategy is to overwhelm legitimate posting with trolling? I guess it's true to their nature, but I'm not sure if this thread would still be on the first page if they had just shut up.... |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3433
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:08:00 -
[1296] - Quote
worst that'll come out of this is no more free alcohol at fanfest
pubbies ruin EVERYTHING "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:08:00 -
[1297] - Quote
Your tears, I am bathing in them. Please cry more over a drunk guy, my bath of your tears needs to get fuller |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:08:00 -
[1298] - Quote
:words: |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:08:00 -
[1299] - Quote
Tinnin Sylph wrote:This thread is now a discussion of The Mittani's relative chubbiness.
Well judging by the pic he doesn't look chubby to me. Infact he is a tad on the thin side to me he could do with gaining a couple of pounds (imperial and not US).
Now back on topiic.
Amity Lane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions.. Well that's a relief since there was nothing wrong with his actions. So am I correct in assuming that you believe it is acceptable for a CSM to suggest that people break the game rules?
Whether they think it is acceptable or not is irrelvant. It is upto CCP to investigate and decide if any action needs to be taken that is all that is relevant to this matter. Not knowing if the CSMs have to sign another set of agreements, though I would suspect they do, and not knowing if those making appearnaces have to sign even more things and not being able to read them we can't really say what will happen.
The only thing tha comes close is the lates Blizzcon where one fo the people said a few unsavoury things about the Allience and Blizzard had to appologise for allowing it to happen. Though how they were going to oprevent it while it was live I have no idea.
baltec1 wrote:What he said has been said thousands of times before. Its nothing special and should been seen as it is. A joke in a speech aimed at people in his alliance.
Then it should not have been made so publically, it shpuld ahve been kept private with in his corp, allience or wht not. There is a different standard of behaviour expected when you are speaking as a guest and a representative for whatever organisation. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1039
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:09:00 -
[1300] - Quote
Headline April:
Mittens booted from CSM. Pubbies win meta game.
Mr Epeen  Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:09:00 -
[1301] - Quote
thekiller2002us wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:esc shk wrote: You're implying we had any form of instruction to shitpost
See thats the thing about cult programming old chap, once you've had your self-esteem removed alongside any notion of individual violition and personal responsibility its quite easy to condition your activities by simple hierarchy and peer pressure. You don't "need" instructions any more than a rat needs to be commanded to eat the cheese. You've been roleplaying too long and it's affecting your ability to reason. Step away from the keyboard. LOL- this coming from a guy who was banned for telling a dev to die in a ball of fire The amount of exaggeration and trolling ITT can only increase. |

baltec1
873
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:09:00 -
[1302] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
The Wiz seems remarkably chill over the Mittani openly mocking him before the entire EVE community and publicly humiliating him. And he didn't even know!
How. Dumb.
I believe this why?
And lets say I believe this. I don't. But lets say I do.
Did the Mittani know any of this when he went rabid? No? That's right. The Wis could have actually been suicidal, Mittani didn't know.
Again, the comments mittens made have been said tens of thousands of times before all across EVE, these forums, and the many other EVE related sites. What he said is nothing new or special. Yet you pick this one event to bounce off the walls at. |

Selinate
705
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:09:00 -
[1303] - Quote
Shemham Phorash wrote:mittens shame on u, saying stuff like that, and another thing u can not even handle ur drink , grow up fella, and stop acting like ur king dingleing , u should never have made remarks like you did ,
ccp needs to act on this if they dont this game and its rules and regulations do not mean jack,
Even though your motives in Brick Squad are pretty much clear, I would agree with you guys.... |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:10:00 -
[1304] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:As an citizen of the USA the USA law is allways active for him no matter where in the world he is. The Iceland law comes in addition to the USA law. trolololololololol Wow your idiocy endurance is as great as the Fuhrer himself I swear Internet Lawyers who don't actually know anything about the law are almost as funny as katana-wielding martial artsists who are 200 pounds overweight.
Or idiot ex lawyersw who will be disbarred for misconduct and bringing the proffesion into disrupute and have no where to go
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:10:00 -
[1305] - Quote
I'm just gonna quote Grath here
Quote: SURE AM GLAD YOU GOT A PSYCHOLOGY DEGREE FROM THAT BOX OF CRACKERJACKS.
If you want to spend your days and nights talking somebody down off a ledge, feel free, but if a little boy from ******* Japan can watch his entire family wash out to ******* sea on the back of a big ******* wave, yet still manage to get up the next morning and go on with life, considering suicide over a video game makes you a ****.
I can give you a trillion more examples like that, and if you are such a fuckin ***** that you feel that your only way out is to die then I completely back your play.
OH, and I got a degree from a box of cracker jacks too, my psychological evaluation of you is as follows: You're a *****.
Further Goon mocking:
If someone says they are suicidal over something, it does not in fact mean that is the only bad thing that has every happened to them in their entire lives. This should be obvious, but you are a clever idiot arguing with absolute bad faith, so I would expect to have to say it, and many other things obvious to a five year old, when talking to you.
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David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
205
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:10:00 -
[1306] - Quote
People who can't deal with (cyber-) bullying and commit suicide are just another case of natural selection.
Can't cope with social pressure, your own damn fault. |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:10:00 -
[1307] - Quote
The Mittani. The Wis. The Mittani. The Wis.
Coincidence? I think not... |

Flamespar
Woof Club
318
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:11:00 -
[1308] - Quote
Where's the rest of the CSM on this issue? Don't they elect the chairman?
Personally I think The Wanktani should just just own up and say sorry, instead of trying to defend what he said by essentially claiming that he can do what he wants since so many goons voted for him.
Telling players to harass another player who had privately expressed suicidal thought over a recent divorce is harassment. The Wanktani and his goons can claim otherwise all they want.
Harassment is against the EULA, it can even get you jailed in some countries if the consequencies of the bullying and harassment are serious enough. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |

Saints12
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:11:00 -
[1309] - Quote
o/ hile Hit*R  |

Blinking Duck
The Kurian Order
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:11:00 -
[1310] - Quote
Selinate wrote:So the Goon strategy is to overwhelm legitimate posting with trolling? I guess it's true to their nature, but I'm not sure if this thread would still be on the first page if they had just shut up....
The fear is delicious, is it not? :) |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1442
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:11:00 -
[1311] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote: ... using your own logic and psuedo-internet sociologist garbage ...
Oh noes are you going to report me to the The House Committee on Un-American Activities for my left wing intellectualist leanings now!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
360
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:12:00 -
[1312] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Where's the rest of the CSM on this issue? Don't they elect the chairman?
... :facepalm:
******* pubbies.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2350
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:12:00 -
[1313] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Headline April: Mittens booted from CSM. Pubbies win meta game. Mr Epeen 
Thankfully for Eve Online you posting it doesn't make it true. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
515
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:12:00 -
[1314] - Quote
Revii Lagoon wrote:Your tears, I am bathing in them. Please cry more over a drunk guy, my bath of your tears needs to get fuller
so the CEO of the Goonswarm is nothing more then an alcoholic? ok fine with me CCP can talk themselves out of this pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:12:00 -
[1315] - Quote
Tinnin Sylph wrote: I think not...
I pretty sure you don't think as well to be honest
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2350
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:12:00 -
[1316] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Where's the rest of the CSM on this issue? Don't they elect the chairman?
The Mittani got 10,058 votes. He's Chairman For Life.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
107
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:12:00 -
[1317] - Quote
The thread goes on~ |

Lukwalla
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:13:00 -
[1318] - Quote
Two blondes were in a bar watching the television when the news came on. It showed a guy on a bridge that was about to jump, obviously suicidal. "I'll bet you $10 he'll jump," said Betty.
"Bet you $10 he won't," replied Amber. Then, the guy on the television closed his eyes and threw himself off the bridge. The second blonde hands the first her money.
"I can't take your money," said Betty. "I cheated you. The same story was on the five o'clock news."
"No, no. Take it," said Amber. "I saw the five o'clock news too. I just didn't think the guy was dumb enough to jump again!" |

David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
205
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:13:00 -
[1319] - Quote
stop stealing my gimmick
the adolf one |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:13:00 -
[1320] - Quote
Blinking Duck wrote:Selinate wrote:So the Goon strategy is to overwhelm legitimate posting with trolling? I guess it's true to their nature, but I'm not sure if this thread would still be on the first page if they had just shut up.... The fear is delicious, is it not? :)
We value posting more than playing eve. When are people going to understand this. |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:14:00 -
[1321] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:Where's the rest of the CSM on this issue? Don't they elect the chairman? The Mittani got 10,058 votes. He's Chairman For Life.
Yet his life expectancy is about as long as CCP take to prepare the press release
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:14:00 -
[1322] - Quote
Xython wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:BTW
59,109 votes were cast.
That means 49,000 people voted AGAINST Mittens.
~49,000~ Can't argue with that, that's math
I did not vote against mittens, I voted for Seleene. |

David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
205
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:14:00 -
[1323] - Quote
Seleene's a cool dude. |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
14
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:14:00 -
[1324] - Quote
I think that most of you that are pro Mittani are missing the major point here.
This COULD be a huge issue for CCP. There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire.
You do understand that the USA could simply ban CCP from selling EVE in America correct? You do understand that is something that is not out of the realm of possiblilities if one of these anti-video game people pick this up and run with it. Cyber - Bulling is a huge issue here in the states. I disagree as I think bullying is just human nature but that is not the point.
I think you idiots need to understand how much of an issue this could really be. This is much more then some simple comment made by an idiot. This could be the issue that starts the ball rolling for the anit video game people.
I do not think it will get that big but that is the issue here. Not so much how stupid the comment was, or how wrong it is to try and push someone over the edge and kill themselves but the fact that this is the kind of ammo these anti video game people are waiting for.
What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
This is the worst case but it could happen and their are people waiting for just these kind of things to happen, so they can grab and run around saying "I told you so, I told you video games are evil." |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:15:00 -
[1325] - Quote
Quote: Again, the comments mittens made have been said tens of thousands of times before all across EVE, these forums, and the many other EVE related sites. What he said is nothing new or special. Yet you pick this one event to bounce off the walls at.
Perhaps trying to wear me out?
It was said at the FanFest, not in local chat. Furthermore, he ordered his Goons to attack the guy. If even ten start harassing him that is a lot of harassment. And THOUSANDS of people saw him be mocked. THOUSANDS.
Perhaps little Timmy needs an explanation as to the difference between your boss calling you an idiot in a private meeting with the door closed and nobody else around and him calling you an idiot in front of all your co-workers in the weekly meeting?
Does little Timmy need me to explain the difference? Or maybe it is bed-time for him and he is just a little to sleepy to think clearly? |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
605
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:15:00 -
[1326] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Further Goon mocking:
If someone says they are suicidal over something, it does not in fact mean that is the only bad thing that has every happened to them in their entire lives. This should be obvious, but you are a clever idiot arguing with absolute bad faith, so I would expect to have to say it, and many other things obvious to a five year old, when talking to you.
Hey that forum is banned here, if Screegs catches you linking things from it, you'll wake up with a banned message that says "You know what you did".
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oldbutfeelingyoung
515
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:15:00 -
[1327] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:Where's the rest of the CSM on this issue? Don't they elect the chairman? The Mittani got 10,058 votes. He's Chairman For Life.
If you have nothing more to say ,keep quit pls ,repeating yourself looks dumb pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt
State War Academy Caldari State
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:15:00 -
[1328] - Quote
Welcome to the real world, where security is your responsibility, you feelings don't matter and you're just a statistic on some spreadsheet. God people loosen up and stop crying over something that really doesn't matter. The guy isn't going to kill himself over people on a video game, and if he does that's called Darwinism... |

Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:15:00 -
[1329] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:As an citizen of the USA the USA law is allways active for him no matter where in the world he is. The Iceland law comes in addition to the USA law. trolololololololol Wow your idiocy endurance is as great as the Fuhrer himself I swear Internet Lawyers who don't actually know anything about the law are almost as funny as katana-wielding martial artsists who are 200 pounds overweight.
Not empty quoting +1 |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1261
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:15:00 -
[1330] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Ever seen so many goons posting at once? Me neither lol
You seriously need to visit the other forums sometime.... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:16:00 -
[1331] - Quote
Twulf wrote:What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
We'd all go and play better games. |

Edele
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:16:00 -
[1332] - Quote
thekiller2002us wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:
You've been roleplaying too long and it's affecting your ability to reason.
Step away from the keyboard.
LOL- this coming from a guy who was banned for telling a dev to die in a ball of fire
bumb LAWL |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
606
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:16:00 -
[1333] - Quote
Twulf wrote:I think that most of you that are pro Mittani are missing the major point here.
This COULD be a huge issue for CCP. There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire.
You do understand that the USA could simply ban CCP from selling EVE in America correct? You do understand that is something that is not out of the realm of possiblilities if one of these anti-video game people pick this up and run with it. Cyber - Bulling is a huge issue here in the states. I disagree as I think bullying is just human nature but that is not the point.
I think you idiots need to understand how much of an issue this could really be. This is much more then some simple comment made by an idiot. This could be the issue that starts the ball rolling for the anit video game people.
I do not think it will get that big but that is the issue here. Not so much how stupid the comment was, or how wrong it is to try and push someone over the edge and kill themselves but the fact that this is the kind of ammo these anti video game people are waiting for.
What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
This is the worst case but it could happen and their are people waiting for just these kind of things to happen, so they can grab and run around saying "I told you so, I told you video games are evil."
I'm pretty sure the US government has more important things on its mind right now than video games, I hear theres an upcoming election they all seemed to be focused on right now.
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Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
418
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:16:00 -
[1334] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:As an citizen of the USA the USA law is allways active for him no matter where in the world he is. The Iceland law comes in addition to the USA law. trolololololololol Wow your idiocy endurance is as great as the Fuhrer himself I swear Internet Lawyers who don't actually know anything about the law are almost as funny as katana-wielding martial artsists who are 200 pounds overweight. Or idiot ex lawyersw who will be disbarred for misconduct and bringing the proffesion into disrupute and have no where to go remdick.jpg Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
10,058 |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
376
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:16:00 -
[1335] - Quote
Twulf wrote:I think that most of you that are pro Mittani are missing the major point here.
This COULD be a huge issue for CCP. There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire.
You do understand that the USA could simply ban CCP from selling EVE in America correct? You do understand that is something that is not out of the realm of possiblilities if one of these anti-video game people pick this up and run with it. Cyber - Bulling is a huge issue here in the states. I disagree as I think bullying is just human nature but that is not the point.
I think you idiots need to understand how much of an issue this could really be. This is much more then some simple comment made by an idiot. This could be the issue that starts the ball rolling for the anit video game people.
I do not think it will get that big but that is the issue here. Not so much how stupid the comment was, or how wrong it is to try and push someone over the edge and kill themselves but the fact that this is the kind of ammo these anti video game people are waiting for.
What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
This is the worst case but it could happen and their are people waiting for just these kind of things to happen, so they can grab and run around saying "I told you so, I told you video games are evil." America could try banning the sale of Eve online to American citizens, it probably wouldn't manage it in practice though. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Saints12
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:17:00 -
[1336] - Quote
David Carel wrote:stop stealing my gimmick the adolf one
sorry u a goon don't count  |

Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
106
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:17:00 -
[1337] - Quote
Mittani always claims to be darn intelligent. Yet realising when you place yourself on a pedestal your words will be weight with more scrutiny never arose to him.
Just like Chribba, Darkness and several other well known personalities in EVE his word holds weight. Well atleast to a certain crowd. Next to that he is chair of CSM 6 and now CSM 7 so that's another spotlight.
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
Don't know howmany braincells you have, but I can clearly see someone else suffering from is by being called out by name and called out to be harassed.
You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
This doesn't only hold true for roleplayers but also for those who are drunk and violate those rules. Being drunk isn't an excuse.
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
Ingame mail is publicly available, by calling out to abuse this to harass someone can be classified under this rule.
You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineGÇÖs game service or web site.
By calling others out to harass this player he actually invokes others to break the none harassement rule. So he encourages others to break a rule.
These are just a few things I want to bring forward. It doesn't matter if that player was or wasn't suicidal. The mere idea he might be should have stopped Mittens from doing what he did.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:17:00 -
[1338] - Quote
Good to see you guys are still posting. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2352
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:17:00 -
[1339] - Quote
Twulf wrote:There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire.
Confirming that the US congress has jurisdiction over a video game made by a company in Iceland.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:17:00 -
[1340] - Quote
Lukwalla wrote:Two blondes were in a bar watching the television when the news came on. It showed a guy on a bridge that was about to jump, obviously suicidal. "I'll bet you $10 he'll jump," said Betty.
"Bet you $10 he won't," replied Amber. Then, the guy on the television closed his eyes and threw himself off the bridge. The second blonde hands the first her money.
"I can't take your money," said Betty. "I cheated you. The same story was on the five o'clock news."
"No, no. Take it," said Amber. "I saw the five o'clock news too. I just didn't think the guy was dumb enough to jump again!"
T'Amber? would make sense |
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:17:00 -
[1341] - Quote
Keep posting sniper. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:17:00 -
[1342] - Quote
**** me. Wish you could negrep my snipe that missed by 3 posts in 1 second :(((((((((((((((( |

Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:17:00 -
[1343] - Quote
Shemham Phorash wrote:mittens shame on u, saying stuff like that, and another thing u can not even handle ur drink , grow up fella, and stop acting like ur king dingleing , u should never have made remarks like you did ,
ccp needs to act on this if they dont this game and its rules and regulations do not mean jack,
wow i agree with a Brick squat guy
CCP needs to act
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Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
418
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:17:00 -
[1344] - Quote
'specialist dargon'  Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
10,058 |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:18:00 -
[1345] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Flamespar wrote:Where's the rest of the CSM on this issue? Don't they elect the chairman? The Mittani got 10,058 votes. He's Chairman For Life. If you have nothing more to say ,keep quit pls ,repeating yourself looks dumb
Thats most likely mintannis Forum alt given 'it's' (unsure of true sex) reactions today
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2352
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:18:00 -
[1346] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:words
I like how you think that posting the same thing over and over again will somehow make it become true. I remember you doing the same thing during the Recruitment channel MOTD drama. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
418
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:19:00 -
[1347] - Quote
Infinimo wrote:'specialist dargon'  welp i posted this 20 seconds after my last post, it was meant to be a double post Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
10,058 |

Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:19:00 -
[1348] - Quote
Why can't the US government just walk into CCP and arrest this guy and disbarred him from lawyering? its in the constitution!! |

oldbutfeelingyoung
515
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:19:00 -
[1349] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Twulf wrote:What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
We'd all go and play better games.
another one that is not helping the chairman and his CEO with his remarks
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:19:00 -
[1350] - Quote
Infinimo wrote: remdick.jpg
Idiot goon posts idiotic meme 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:19:00 -
[1351] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:We are not talking about a court case here were I have to prove anything. This is about right and wrong. It is WRONG to try and push someone to kill themselves. PERIOD. What do you not understand? Clearly you do not understand logic or common sense and clearly your parents failed at being parents. I didn't realize that RIGHT and WRONG were dictated by Eve Online player Twulf.
Wow you are nothing more then a troll or an idiot or both.
RIGHT and WRONG are not dictated by myself. There is just RIGHT and WRONG. Simple things that your parents clearly failed to teach you.
It is WRONG to try and push someone to kill themselves. The RIGHT thing to do would be to seek help for said person, not try and push them over the edge.
This is called common sense or common knowledge. You should have learned RIGHT and WRONG from your parents, which clearly sucked as parents if they failed to teach you such a simple life lesson. |

EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
254
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:20:00 -
[1352] - Quote
Twulf wrote: What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
I fail to see the downside here
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2352
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:20:00 -
[1353] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Infinimo wrote: remdick.jpg
Idiot goon posts idiotic meme 
Says the guy who unironically posts katana videos on youtube... The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
123
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:20:00 -
[1354] - Quote
hepdick.jpg |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:20:00 -
[1355] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire. Confirming that the US congress has jurisdiction over a video game made by a company in Iceland.
Confiriming that is true, when published in there country
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Lukwalla
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:21:00 -
[1356] - Quote
Shade Severii wrote:Why can't the US government just walk into CCP and arrest this guy and disbarred him from lawyering? its in the constitution!!
[*] ~~LIK Dis If U Cry Evertim~~ (-_-) |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:21:00 -
[1357] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire. Confirming that the US congress has jurisdiction over a video game made by a company in Iceland.
No but they can regulate what paid for services its' "citizens" can access, as they did with online gambling sites. |

The Medusa
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:21:00 -
[1358] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Mittani always claims to be darn intelligent. Yet realising when you place yourself on a pedestal your words will be weight with more scrutiny never arose to him.
Just like Chribba, Darkness and several other well known personalities in EVE his word holds weight. Well atleast to a certain crowd. Next to that he is chair of CSM 6 and now CSM 7 so that's another spotlight.
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
Don't know howmany braincells you have, but I can clearly see someone else suffering from is by being called out by name and called out to be harassed.
You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
This doesn't only hold true for roleplayers but also for those who are drunk and violate those rules. Being drunk isn't an excuse.
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
Ingame mail is publicly available, by calling out to abuse this to harass someone can be classified under this rule.
You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineGÇÖs game service or web site.
By calling others out to harass this player he actually invokes others to break the none harassement rule. So he encourages others to break a rule.
These are just a few things I want to bring forward. It doesn't matter if that player was or wasn't suicidal. The mere idea he might be should have stopped Mittens from doing what he did.
EVE is a game about killing people and taking their stuff C/D |

Scooter McCabe
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:21:00 -
[1359] - Quote
By the time you read this every butt hurt EVE player and his alt will have written another 50 hypocritical posts. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
480
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:21:00 -
[1360] - Quote
Twulf wrote:I think that most of you that are pro Mittani are missing the major point here.
This COULD be a huge issue for CCP. There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire.
You do understand that the USA could simply ban CCP from selling EVE in America correct? You do understand that is something that is not out of the realm of possiblilities if one of these anti-video game people pick this up and run with it. Cyber - Bulling is a huge issue here in the states. I disagree as I think bullying is just human nature but that is not the point.
I think you idiots need to understand how much of an issue this could really be. This is much more then some simple comment made by an idiot. This could be the issue that starts the ball rolling for the anit video game people.
I do not think it will get that big but that is the issue here. Not so much how stupid the comment was, or how wrong it is to try and push someone over the edge and kill themselves but the fact that this is the kind of ammo these anti video game people are waiting for.
What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
This is the worst case but it could happen and their are people waiting for just these kind of things to happen, so they can grab and run around saying "I told you so, I told you video games are evil." Wow. Are you even from the US? Say what you will about our foreign policy, but the US banning EvE would be a blatant violation of the 1st amendment of our constitution. I mean, some idiot republican running for pres recently mentioned banning hard core **** and was pretty much an instant laughing stock. The ONLY thing they could ever do is restrict it for under 18 y/o people so they would need parental consent. It would have no effect on the player base at all. AT ALL. In fact, the publicity of even attempting that would probably result in a healthy bump to the subscriber base. If you are in the US I would bet you are a ****** junkie. I've read some dumb stuff today but this is definitely the dumbest thing I've read.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2352
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:21:00 -
[1361] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Twulf wrote:What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
We'd all go and play better games. another one that is not helping the chairman and his CEO with his remarks
The chairman doesn't need our help.
http://i.imgur.com/pQHAE.png
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:22:00 -
[1362] - Quote
Hey, don't kick the Mittani off the CSM!!!! We don't have anyone on there to quickly replace him!!!!!! |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:22:00 -
[1363] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire. Confirming that the US congress has jurisdiction over a video game made by a company in Iceland.
How can you be this stupid? Seriously its an honest question.
The US can ban the import of the video game from Iceland. They can ban US internet companies from allowing connections to the CCP servers. They could do a bunch of things to make sure that EVE is not allowed to be played in the USA.
There are a few games that are banned in the USA that you can play in other countries, this would not be the first time nor will it be the last.
God how can you be this dumb? How on earth do you not hurt yourself while typing? |

Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
418
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:22:00 -
[1364] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Infinimo wrote: remdick.jpg
Idiot goon posts idiotic meme  Says the guy who unironically posts katana videos on youtube... *slowly unsheathes katana + kisses the blade* you'll regret this, goonie Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
10,058 |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2352
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:22:00 -
[1365] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire. Confirming that the US congress has jurisdiction over a video game made by a company in Iceland. No but they can regulate what paid for services its' "citizens" can access, as they did with online gambling sites.
Confirming that Eve Online is a gambling site.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:22:00 -
[1366] - Quote
M O A R
G O O N
T E A R S
~ 49,000 ~ |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:22:00 -
[1367] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Good to see you guys are still posting.
I'd like to kill myself, but it would interfere with my posting. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
391
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:22:00 -
[1368] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Infinimo wrote: remdick.jpg
Idiot goon posts idiotic meme  Says the guy who unironically posts katana videos on youtube...
You know just for you when he gets banned I'll make a 'guy' and chop it's head of for you , will that make you happy, you seem so distressed and unaware of what is really going on around you at the moment
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
106
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:22:00 -
[1369] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:I like how you think that posting the same thing over and over again will somehow make it become true. I remember you doing the same thing during the Recruitment channel MOTD drama.
Suffice to say that that particualr "drama" hasn't reached it conclusion yet.
But it seems to me you have reached your line of witty and snappy comebacks. They all boil down to the same now.
|

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
67
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:23:00 -
[1370] - Quote
Shade Severii wrote:Why can't the US government just walk into CCP and arrest this guy and disbarred him from lawyering? its in the constitution!!
Silence Peon, stop talking before you hurt yourself! |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
362
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:23:00 -
[1371] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Mittani always claims to be darn intelligent. Yet realising when you place yourself on a pedestal your words will be weight with more scrutiny never arose to him.
Just like Chribba, Darkness and several other well known personalities in EVE his word holds weight. Well atleast to a certain crowd. Next to that he is chair of CSM 6 and now CSM 7 so that's another spotlight.
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
Don't know howmany braincells you have, but I can clearly see someone else suffering from is by being called out by name and called out to be harassed.
You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
This doesn't only hold true for roleplayers but also for those who are drunk and violate those rules. Being drunk isn't an excuse.
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
Ingame mail is publicly available, by calling out to abuse this to harass someone can be classified under this rule.
You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineGÇÖs game service or web site.
By calling others out to harass this player he actually invokes others to break the none harassement rule. So he encourages others to break a rule.
These are just a few things I want to bring forward. It doesn't matter if that player was or wasn't suicidal. The mere idea he might be should have stopped Mittens from doing what he did.
I propose an alternate situation:
Mittani knows he's not in any danger. He knows he won't get in trouble for this.
He did it specifically because it will **** off you fat pubbie rejects.
And it's working.
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
383
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:23:00 -
[1372] - Quote
I really love this game. From blowing up ships to political corruption and threads full of said politician's cronies fighting tirelessly to debase everyone else's opinions.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2352
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:23:00 -
[1373] - Quote
Twulf wrote:God how can you be this dumb?
Says the guy who thinks US law covers the entire planet.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:23:00 -
[1374] - Quote
Selinate wrote:So the Goon strategy is to overwhelm legitimate posting with trolling? I guess it's true to their nature, but I'm not sure if this thread would still be on the first page if they had just shut up....
I actually think that is exactly what they are doing... |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:24:00 -
[1375] - Quote
A personal offer to Mittens..
I have connections. I can guarantee you don't get banned from all of EvE.
I just need a 500m ISK deposit.
~ 49,000 ~ |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:24:00 -
[1376] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Twulf wrote:I think that most of you that are pro Mittani are missing the major point here.
This COULD be a huge issue for CCP. There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire.
You do understand that the USA could simply ban CCP from selling EVE in America correct? You do understand that is something that is not out of the realm of possiblilities if one of these anti-video game people pick this up and run with it. Cyber - Bulling is a huge issue here in the states. I disagree as I think bullying is just human nature but that is not the point.
I think you idiots need to understand how much of an issue this could really be. This is much more then some simple comment made by an idiot. This could be the issue that starts the ball rolling for the anit video game people.
I do not think it will get that big but that is the issue here. Not so much how stupid the comment was, or how wrong it is to try and push someone over the edge and kill themselves but the fact that this is the kind of ammo these anti video game people are waiting for.
What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
This is the worst case but it could happen and their are people waiting for just these kind of things to happen, so they can grab and run around saying "I told you so, I told you video games are evil." Wow. Are you even from the US? Say what you will about our foreign policy, but the US banning EvE would be a blatant violation of the 1st amendment of our constitution. I mean, some idiot republican running for pres recently mentioned banning hard core **** and was pretty much an instant laughing stock. The ONLY thing they could ever do is restrict it for under 18 y/o people so they would need parental consent. It would have no effect on the player base at all. AT ALL. In fact, the publicity of even attempting that would probably result in a healthy bump to the subscriber base. If you are in the US I would bet you are a ****** junkie. I've read some dumb stuff today but this is definitely the dumbest thing I've read.
God you sir are an idiot. There are currently video games that are banned for sale in the USA but can be played in other countries. The US government can ban any product from entering the USA at anytime, they have that power. EVE online is a video game. A video game is a product. Any product can be banned from entering the country. How hard is that to understand?
You live in the USA and you do not know how this country works? How sad. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2352
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:24:00 -
[1377] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:I like how you think that posting the same thing over and over again will somehow make it become true. I remember you doing the same thing during the Recruitment channel MOTD drama. Suffice to say that that particualr "drama" hasn't reached it conclusion yet. But it seems to me you have reached your line of witty and snappy comebacks. They all boil down to the same now.
Considering how many recruitment scams I've done in the last few days it seems that it has reached a conclusion. (Hint: I found every single mark in the recruitment channel).
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
515
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:24:00 -
[1378] - Quote
The Medusa wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:Mittani always claims to be darn intelligent. Yet realising when you place yourself on a pedestal your words will be weight with more scrutiny never arose to him.
Just like Chribba, Darkness and several other well known personalities in EVE his word holds weight. Well atleast to a certain crowd. Next to that he is chair of CSM 6 and now CSM 7 so that's another spotlight.
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
Don't know howmany braincells you have, but I can clearly see someone else suffering from is by being called out by name and called out to be harassed.
You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
This doesn't only hold true for roleplayers but also for those who are drunk and violate those rules. Being drunk isn't an excuse.
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
Ingame mail is publicly available, by calling out to abuse this to harass someone can be classified under this rule.
You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineGÇÖs game service or web site.
By calling others out to harass this player he actually invokes others to break the none harassement rule. So he encourages others to break a rule.
These are just a few things I want to bring forward. It doesn't matter if that player was or wasn't suicidal. The mere idea he might be should have stopped Mittens from doing what he did.
EVE is a game about killing people and taking their stuff C/D
Well ,the Mitanni made that very clear ,did he ? pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
392
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:24:00 -
[1379] - Quote
Infinimo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Infinimo wrote: remdick.jpg
Idiot goon posts idiotic meme  Says the guy who unironically posts katana videos on youtube... *slowly unsheathes katana + kisses the blade* you'll regret this, goonie
Did it hurt when the Furher pinned a medal in your eye?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Camios
Minmatar Bread Corporation
78
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:25:00 -
[1380] - Quote
He's a public person and he has to behave. Period.
If he thinks otherwise, I bet he would like to talk to Silvio Berlusconi and take some lessons on poor figures.
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:25:00 -
[1381] - Quote
little bees...
LITTLE BEES!!
Little Bees, little bees...
wa wa wa wa wa... Little bees, little bees.
MOAR GOON TEARS!!!!!!!
~ 49,000 ~ |

Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
884
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:26:00 -
[1382] - Quote
A quote from The Wis
Comment quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:26:00 -
[1383] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:God how can you be this dumb? Says the guy who thinks US law covers the entire planet.
Show me where I said that the US law covers the entire planet? I said that the US could ban EVE online from the USA. Which they can do by law as the US government can ban any product from entering this country. That is a fact.
Maybe you should learn to read or understand what you read. **** just understand anything for that matter would do you wonders. |

Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
69
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:26:00 -
[1384] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire. Confirming that the US congress has jurisdiction over a video game made by a company in Iceland.
Pretty sure White Wolf is still in the US, along with the Eve store, and a few offices. As a country we are not in a good place right now.
Look at Gibson, they've been raided twice and almost shut down and they haven't broken a single law. But they got some bad PR a couple years ago so the DoJ keeps jerking them around with a century old law they haven't even broken. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
123
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:26:00 -
[1385] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:A personal offer to Mittens..
I have connections. I can guarantee you don't get banned from all of EvE.
I just need a 500m ISK deposit.
~ 49,000 ~
How cute. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
195
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:27:00 -
[1386] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:God how can you be this dumb? Says the guy who thinks US law covers the entire planet.
If you are from the USA you are subject to those laws even when visiting another country.
Its in the passport information when you go to get one. |

Tim Sebo
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:27:00 -
[1387] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire. Confirming that the US congress has jurisdiction over a video game made by a company in Iceland. How can you be this stupid? Seriously its an honest question. The US can ban the import of the video game from Iceland. They can ban US internet companies from allowing connections to the CCP servers. They could do a bunch of things to make sure that EVE is not allowed to be played in the USA. There are a few games that are banned in the USA that you can play in other countries, this would not be the first time nor will it be the last. God how can you be this dumb? How on earth do you not hurt yourself while typing?
Twulf, next time you have an idea and want to post about it just don't. |

Jogyn
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:27:00 -
[1388] - Quote
I would proably also post with an alt if i expected 69 pages of goon rage to come from my post v0v
I especially enjoyed the whole "YOU HAVE NO LIKES THIS IS BAD THREAD" on page 1 x) |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:28:00 -
[1389] - Quote
Twulf wrote:How can you be this stupid? Seriously its an honest question.
God how can you be this dumb? How on earth do you not hurt yourself while typing?
Oh cool the "how can you be this dumb?" game! I've got next:
Congress isn't going to act unless there's something in it for them - either money or goodwill from their voterbase. Goodwill from their voterbase would require the public to (a) know about this and to (b) give a **** about it.
For this to happen, some major news source would have to pick up the story and run with it, which means they'd have to call it cyber-bullying and interview The Wis about it. Not only does The Wis seem pretty much not-too-bothered about the whole thing, he's also an adult. Cyber-bullying is a hot topic because it falls under the "think of the children" banner, which is pretty much incompatible with an adult, especially one who doesn't seem bothered by what transpired (not anymore, anyway).
I guess the TL;DR is "how can you be this dumb? How on earth do you not hurt yourself while typing?"
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
392
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:28:00 -
[1390] - Quote
Yes when it all goes public I'm sure Christian America is going to love his 'LOLz at the guy who believes' segment as well
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:28:00 -
[1391] - Quote
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs7/i/2005/200/b/9/A_little_bee_crying_by_jkBunny.jpg
HAHAHAHAHAHA
~ 49,000 ~ |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2358
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:29:00 -
[1392] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:God how can you be this dumb? Says the guy who thinks US law covers the entire planet. If you are from the USA you are subject to those laws even when visiting another country. Its in the passport information when you go to get one.
Somebody quote the federal law making it illegal to make fun of stupid people. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
411
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:29:00 -
[1393] - Quote
give a man a shotgun and he wil shoot.
give a man a microphone and he will speak.
whoever gave him the chance to speak is also to blame.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:29:00 -
[1394] - Quote
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Selinate
707
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:29:00 -
[1395] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:little bees...
LITTLE BEES!!
Little Bees, little bees...
wa wa wa wa wa... Little bees, little bees.
MOAR GOON TEARS!!!!!!!
~ 49,000 ~
If you really want to troll the goons, you're going to have to sink a little further than this... |

Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
182
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:29:00 -
[1396] - Quote
Complaining that a well known expert (and self admitted) troll is being trollish?
Might as well complain that the rain is wet.
That said, while I do think it was poor form to actually name him The Wis and call for harrassment, it's up to CCP if Mittens has broken the EULA/TOS or not. Crying about it here won't change the outcome of their investigation.
Incidently, I suspect CCP will have slightly stronger vetting procedures for the Alliance talks from here on out. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1261
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:29:00 -
[1397] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Mittani always claims to be darn intelligent. Yet realising when you place yourself on a pedestal your words will be weight with more scrutiny never arose to him.
Just like Chribba, Darkness and several other well known personalities in EVE his word holds weight. Well atleast to a certain crowd. Next to that he is chair of CSM 6 and now CSM 7 so that's another spotlight.
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
Don't know howmany braincells you have, but I can clearly see someone else suffering from is by being called out by name and called out to be harassed.
You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
This doesn't only hold true for roleplayers but also for those who are drunk and violate those rules. Being drunk isn't an excuse.
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
Ingame mail is publicly available, by calling out to abuse this to harass someone can be classified under this rule.
You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineGÇÖs game service or web site.
By calling others out to harass this player he actually invokes others to break the none harassement rule. So he encourages others to break a rule.
These are just a few things I want to bring forward. It doesn't matter if that player was or wasn't suicidal. The mere idea he might be should have stopped Mittens from doing what he did.
Actually, Mittani didn't harass anyone, via email or otherwise, at any point. He merely told others if they wanted to email the gentleman his in game email was The Wis.
Now I suppose if some people decided to repeatedly spam Wis that might be considered harassment... except, of course, that it isn't as they can be deleted without even reading them. Even convo's can be blocked with a simple click. Either way, that is on their own head. The Mittani didn't "order" anyone to do anything... nor could he enforce it somehow if he tried.
Now he did attempt to embarrass the guy during the broadcast, along with several others. However I have yet to see a ruling in any nation that embarrassing someone is against the law.
By the way, cyber bullying cases in the US at the moment involve cases where the persons real life identity is known and affected. The Wis still retains complete anonymity and could simply quit the game if he/she feels harassed and doesn't know how to press the delete key in his EVE mail.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
392
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:29:00 -
[1398] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:God how can you be this dumb? Says the guy who thinks US law covers the entire planet. If you are from the USA you are subject to those laws even when visiting another country. Its in the passport information when you go to get one. Somebody quote the federal law making it illegal to make fun of stupid people.
Your opinion means nothing really does it , unless your a lawyer , are you?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Gistatis Praefectus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:29:00 -
[1399] - Quote
If he's really threatening something like this, he should take a good look at his own life and make the decision to seek professional help. If he's that mentally unstable then he shouldn't be playing the game in the first place. He should take the steps to get rehab for his problems. Avoiding the situation entirely would have been best for Mittens, but in the end it's not his fault for what said person making the threat does. (which should include seeking help)
All this thread is is NPC alt posters trying to dig up dirt on Mittens and failing horribly. And a really good candidate for a z0r chain.
z |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
564
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:30:00 -
[1400] - Quote
Good. He and his 22 bots must die like they did during the ice interdiction. |
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:30:00 -
[1401] - Quote
Oh look, RogueOperator (who misspelled his name) is here. |

seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
113
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:30:00 -
[1402] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:God how can you be this dumb? Says the guy who thinks US law covers the entire planet. If you are from the USA you are subject to those laws even when visiting another country. Its in the passport information when you go to get one. Somebody quote the federal law making it illegal to make fun of stupid people.
Love to see this in place if a US citizen went to North Korea and did it  |

Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
69
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:30:00 -
[1403] - Quote
Twulf wrote:I think that most of you that are pro Mittani are missing the major point here.
This COULD be a huge issue for CCP. There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire.
You do understand that the USA could simply ban CCP from selling EVE in America correct? You do understand that is something that is not out of the realm of possiblilities if one of these anti-video game people pick this up and run with it. Cyber - Bulling is a huge issue here in the states. I disagree as I think bullying is just human nature but that is not the point.
I think you idiots need to understand how much of an issue this could really be. This is much more then some simple comment made by an idiot. This could be the issue that starts the ball rolling for the anit video game people.
I do not think it will get that big but that is the issue here. Not so much how stupid the comment was, or how wrong it is to try and push someone over the edge and kill themselves but the fact that this is the kind of ammo these anti video game people are waiting for.
What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
This is the worst case but it could happen and their are people waiting for just these kind of things to happen, so they can grab and run around saying "I told you so, I told you video games are evil."
Scare-mongering at its finest. You're a sensationalist idiot. |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:30:00 -
[1404] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:God how can you be this dumb? Says the guy who thinks US law covers the entire planet. If you are from the USA you are subject to those laws even when visiting another country. Its in the passport information when you go to get one. Somebody quote the federal law making it illegal to make fun of stupid people.
Mittani.... Is that you? |

Damion Rayne
Dark-Rising
48
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:30:00 -
[1405] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:I would like to call for the resignation of GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ in regards to his complete misconduct during the Fanfest 2012 Alliance Panel. Per CSM Representative Conduct article of the Council of Stellar Management, all active CSMs are bound to abide by EULA and TOS and are subject to immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion regardless of infraction. As the representative of the best of the EVE players, more stringent stance is given as they are GÇ£expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.GÇ¥ For those who are unfamiliar with The MittaniGÇÖs misconduct, please refer to the link where he knowingly encouraged thousands of potential Fanfest viewers to send mails to an EVE player who has exhibited a history of mental instability, to provoke him to commit suicide. CSMs are elected to exhibit the best of their behaviors, may it be in drinking, partying, or playing EVE, but knowingly encouraging other players to take part in a possible suicide of a player in front of thousands of EVE and non-EVE audiences crosses boundaries. When asked to answer for his misconduct, he only gave a nonchalant answer. He should have been begging on his knees, apologizing for his childish behavior. If a no-name player like me incites thousands of EVE Online players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide, I would have been banned by CCP without question. By the tone of his postings, he is completely unapologetic of his misconduct. Is it ok that because he's the head of CSM, that he can do whatever he wants? For the future of the CSM, please consider the dismissal of The Mittani from CSM. EDIT #1Great job, Mittani the Great. It seems like on the first week of your CSM chairmanship, you are able to garner a distinguished recognition from gaming website. Fantastic job. You make all of us look like idiots. EDIT #2Yes! Another media coverage thanks to Mittani the Great! Keep up the excellent work. EDIT #3Mittani the Great, you really know how to bring media coverage to our beloved game. A+ for your outstanding CSM Chairmanship. More media coverage! EDIT #4People say third time is the charm. Fourth media coverage? I am not sure. EDIT #5Let it rain. Another more thorough media coverage of Mittani the Great's awesomeness. EDIT #6This is certainly a HUGE NEWS now that MASSIVELY is involved. Refer to the following media coverage for in-depth report.
I hope this investigation ends with Mittens being banned from EVE as well as removed from the CSM at the same time. Teamwork.. Maturity.. Tactics.. www.tacticalgamer.com |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
392
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:31:00 -
[1406] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:Mittani always claims to be darn intelligent. Yet realising when you place yourself on a pedestal your words will be weight with more scrutiny never arose to him.
Just like Chribba, Darkness and several other well known personalities in EVE his word holds weight. Well atleast to a certain crowd. Next to that he is chair of CSM 6 and now CSM 7 so that's another spotlight.
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
Don't know howmany braincells you have, but I can clearly see someone else suffering from is by being called out by name and called out to be harassed.
You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
This doesn't only hold true for roleplayers but also for those who are drunk and violate those rules. Being drunk isn't an excuse.
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
Ingame mail is publicly available, by calling out to abuse this to harass someone can be classified under this rule.
You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineGÇÖs game service or web site.
By calling others out to harass this player he actually invokes others to break the none harassement rule. So he encourages others to break a rule.
These are just a few things I want to bring forward. It doesn't matter if that player was or wasn't suicidal. The mere idea he might be should have stopped Mittens from doing what he did.
Actually, Mittani didn't harass anyone, via email or otherwise, at any point. He merely told others if they wanted to email the gentleman his in game email was The Wis. Now I suppose if some people decided to repeatedly spam Wis that might be considered harassment... except, of course, that it isn't as they can be deleted without even reading them. Even convo's can be blocked with a simple click. Either way, that is on their own head. The Mittani didn't "order" anyone to do anything... nor could he enforce it somehow if he tried. Now he did attempt to embarrass the guy during the broadcast, along with several others. However I have yet to see a ruling in any nation that embarrassing someone is against the law. By the way, cyber bullying cases in the US at the moment involve cases where the persons real life identity is known and affected. The Wis still retains complete anonymity and could simply quit the game if he/she feels harassed and doesn't know how to press the delete key in his EVE mail.
Wow I once had respect for you Ranger.......
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Pepinillos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:31:00 -
[1407] - Quote
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2358
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:31:00 -
[1408] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:God how can you be this dumb? Says the guy who thinks US law covers the entire planet. If you are from the USA you are subject to those laws even when visiting another country. Its in the passport information when you go to get one. Somebody quote the federal law making it illegal to make fun of stupid people. Your opinion means nothing really does it , unless your a lawyer , are you?
I'm not a lawyer. That's why I'm asking somebody to provide proof of this law that people keep talking about.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
398
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:31:00 -
[1409] - Quote
jita is heating up goons. I suggest smart bombing battleships. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
564
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:31:00 -
[1410] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:God how can you be this dumb? Says the guy who thinks US law covers the entire planet. If you are from the USA you are subject to those laws even when visiting another country. Its in the passport information when you go to get one. Somebody quote the federal law making it illegal to make fun of stupid people. Mittani.... Is that you? No, I am The Mittani.
~10,058~ |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
411
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:32:00 -
[1411] - Quote
Buzzmong wrote:Complaining that a well known expert (and self admitted) troll is being trollish?
Encouraging suicide even in jest is BEYOND Trolling.
Sometimes things are just plain wrong. Evil even. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:32:00 -
[1412] - Quote
"GOON CTA!"
"Ok, what system?"
"No system, EVE FORUMS!"
~ 49,000 ~ |

Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
158
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:32:00 -
[1413] - Quote
I am an armchair expert at everything. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2358
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:32:00 -
[1414] - Quote
Damion Rayne wrote:I hope this investigation ends with Mittens being banned from EVE as well as removed from the CSM at the same time.
Expect to be disappointed.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:32:00 -
[1415] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote:I think that most of you that are pro Mittani are missing the major point here.
This COULD be a huge issue for CCP. There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire.
You do understand that the USA could simply ban CCP from selling EVE in America correct? You do understand that is something that is not out of the realm of possiblilities if one of these anti-video game people pick this up and run with it. Cyber - Bulling is a huge issue here in the states. I disagree as I think bullying is just human nature but that is not the point.
I think you idiots need to understand how much of an issue this could really be. This is much more then some simple comment made by an idiot. This could be the issue that starts the ball rolling for the anit video game people.
I do not think it will get that big but that is the issue here. Not so much how stupid the comment was, or how wrong it is to try and push someone over the edge and kill themselves but the fact that this is the kind of ammo these anti video game people are waiting for.
What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
This is the worst case but it could happen and their are people waiting for just these kind of things to happen, so they can grab and run around saying "I told you so, I told you video games are evil." I'm pretty sure the US government has more important things on its mind right now than video games, I hear theres an upcoming election they all seemed to be focused on right now. And the conservative side needs some votes and these are the churchy people. In fact if we could ask them if they were connected with it only one would say its ok. This would be a great election issue. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
481
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:32:00 -
[1416] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Gogela wrote:Twulf wrote:I think that most of you that are pro Mittani are missing the major point here.
This COULD be a huge issue for CCP. There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire.
You do understand that the USA could simply ban CCP from selling EVE in America correct? You do understand that is something that is not out of the realm of possiblilities if one of these anti-video game people pick this up and run with it. Cyber - Bulling is a huge issue here in the states. I disagree as I think bullying is just human nature but that is not the point.
I think you idiots need to understand how much of an issue this could really be. This is much more then some simple comment made by an idiot. This could be the issue that starts the ball rolling for the anit video game people.
I do not think it will get that big but that is the issue here. Not so much how stupid the comment was, or how wrong it is to try and push someone over the edge and kill themselves but the fact that this is the kind of ammo these anti video game people are waiting for.
What would you idiot goons do if the USA ban's EVE in the USA? How much crying would there be?
This is the worst case but it could happen and their are people waiting for just these kind of things to happen, so they can grab and run around saying "I told you so, I told you video games are evil." Wow. Are you even from the US? Say what you will about our foreign policy, but the US banning EvE would be a blatant violation of the 1st amendment of our constitution. I mean, some idiot republican running for pres recently mentioned banning hard core **** and was pretty much an instant laughing stock. The ONLY thing they could ever do is restrict it for under 18 y/o people so they would need parental consent. It would have no effect on the player base at all. AT ALL. In fact, the publicity of even attempting that would probably result in a healthy bump to the subscriber base. If you are in the US I would bet you are a ****** junkie. I've read some dumb stuff today but this is definitely the dumbest thing I've read. God you sir are an idiot. There are currently video games that are banned for sale in the USA but can be played in other countries. The US government can ban any product from entering the USA at anytime, they have that power. EVE online is a video game. A video game is a product. Any product can be banned from entering the country. How hard is that to understand? You live in the USA and you do not know how this country works? How sad. Give me one example of a game I can't play in the US. Just one moron.
There are none. Are there trade restrictions related to copyright or trade agreements that prevent certain physical items or from being sold in a physical form on US soil? Sure. Is there anything preventing me from buying it on e-bay? Nope. Is there an internet based service that I cannot access from the US? No. There are services (even YouTube) that prevent streams based on copyright issues, but is it illegal for me to use a proxy service? Nope.
What would you use as precedent for suggesting EvE could be banned? They could take the physical game off the shelves but even if there were trade sanctions with Iceland we would still be able to play. You don't know your rights. That's whats sad. That and you are a moron. POD yourself.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:32:00 -
[1417] - Quote
I believe CCP has a base in Atlanta USA
Not that I think for a moment that the US will trouble itself over what mittens may or may not have said to another person is a foreign country.
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Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
158
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:32:00 -
[1418] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:"GOON CTA!"
"Ok, what system?"
"No system, EVE FORUMS!"
~ 49,000 ~
~10,058~ |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
392
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:33:00 -
[1419] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
I'm not a lawyer. That's why I'm asking somebody to provide proof of this law that people keep talking about.
Where you once?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
198
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:33:00 -
[1420] - Quote
I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things. This all is not because he said that as a person, its because he sad that publicly as a representative, its because he is elected and he is, because of it, responsible for his actions and words.
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Zain Andreas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:33:00 -
[1421] - Quote
Please slow down guys, this thread is growing faster than I can read it.
tia |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3435
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:33:00 -
[1422] - Quote
I suspect that most of you are quite indifferent to the fact that you're only drawing more attention to this guy and the griefer types will just run him out of the game while your lil campaign otherwise accomplishes nothing. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
564
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:34:00 -
[1423] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I believe CCP has a base in Atlanta USA
Not that I think for a moment that the US will trouble itself over what mittens may or may not have said to another person is a foreign country.
No, they don't any more. They all got fired. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2358
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:34:00 -
[1424] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
I'm not a lawyer. That's why I'm asking somebody to provide proof of this law that people keep talking about.
Where you once?
'were' 'where' learn the difference.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:34:00 -
[1425] - Quote
Karadion wrote: No, I am The Mittani.
~10,058~
No I am the mittani, and I'm a fkn wizard, want to see my stat sheet? |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:34:00 -
[1426] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:"GOON CTA!"
"Ok, what system?"
"No system, EVE FORUMS!"
~ 49,000 ~
We don't have CTAs. We just show up and kill people, or in this instance, we show up and post. |

Selinate
707
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:34:00 -
[1427] - Quote
Andski wrote:I suspect that most of you are quite indifferent to the fact that you're only drawing more attention to this guy and the griefer types will just run him out of the game while your lil campaign otherwise accomplishes nothing.
This is a pretty poor attempt to switch the focus and blame onto those who find what the mittani said to be crossing the line. Stick to mindless trolling, it's what you goons are actually good at.... |

Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
418
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:35:00 -
[1428] - Quote
Gistatis Praefectus wrote:If he's really threatening something like this, he should take a good look at his own life and make the decision to seek professional help. If he's that mentally unstable then he shouldn't be playing the game in the first place. He should take the steps to get rehab for his problems. Avoiding the situation entirely would have been best for Mittens, but in the end it's not his fault for what said person making the threat does. (which should include seeking help)
All this thread is is NPC alt posters trying to dig up dirt on Mittens and failing horribly. And a really good candidate for a z0r chain.
z get out Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
10,058 |

Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
201
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:35:00 -
[1429] - Quote
thekiller2002us wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:
You've been roleplaying too long and it's affecting your ability to reason.
Step away from the keyboard.
LOL- this coming from a guy who was banned for telling a dev to die in a ball of fire
I stand by that remark. |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:35:00 -
[1430] - Quote
Which law offices allow their attorneys to look like the lead singer of Static X?
~ 49,000 ~ |
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Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:36:00 -
[1431] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:God how can you be this dumb? Says the guy who thinks US law covers the entire planet. If you are from the USA you are subject to those laws even when visiting another country. Its in the passport information when you go to get one. Somebody quote the federal law making it illegal to make fun of stupid people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying
Read up on it bro, and seeing that The Mittani is a corporate lawyer, or retired corporate lawyer, he should know this law and be able to explain it to you personally. |

Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
418
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:36:00 -
[1432] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Buzzmong wrote:Complaining that a well known expert (and self admitted) troll is being trollish?
Encouraging suicide even in jest is BEYOND Trolling. Sometimes things are just plain wrong. Evil even. confirming the mittani is literally hit|er Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
10,058 |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
138
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:36:00 -
[1433] - Quote
Posting in Goons CTA |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
124
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:37:00 -
[1434] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:Which law offices allow their attorneys to look like the lead singer of Static X?
~ 49,000 ~ 10,058 for one man compared to the 49,000 for 8 others. |

Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
418
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:37:00 -
[1435] - Quote
esc shk wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:Which law offices allow their attorneys to look like the lead singer of Static X?
~ 49,000 ~ 10,058 for one man compared to the 49,000 for 8 others. chairman for life Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
10,058 |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:37:00 -
[1436] - Quote
I hope GOONS are using Tech 2 Damage Control in these forums...
~ 49,000 ~ |

Elmoman2
Got R0ot
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:38:00 -
[1437] - Quote
Should probably just like not post, it's not like CCP are going to remove him from CSM with 10k votes as it would probably invoke some mass exodus of goons in protest or something else as equally dumb for CCP.
Remove him from Chairman, pisses Mittani off and let's him save face by the usual line of "Didn't want that anyway" .
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2365
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:38:00 -
[1438] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Twulf wrote:God how can you be this dumb? Says the guy who thinks US law covers the entire planet. If you are from the USA you are subject to those laws even when visiting another country. Its in the passport information when you go to get one. Somebody quote the federal law making it illegal to make fun of stupid people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyberbullyingRead up on it bro, and seeing that The Mittani is a corporate lawyer, or retired corporate lawyer, he should know this law and be able to explain it to you personally.
According to that page there is no federal law concerning Cyberbullying in the US. Thanks for proving my point.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:38:00 -
[1439] - Quote
My girlfriend just broke up with me and my dog died and I havent been able to work in MONTHS and if Mittani is removed from CSM it will be the last straw and I will kill myself.
*:snypa: bitches* |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3438
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:39:00 -
[1440] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Andski wrote:I suspect that most of you are quite indifferent to the fact that you're only drawing more attention to this guy and the griefer types will just run him out of the game while your lil campaign otherwise accomplishes nothing. This is a pretty poor attempt to switch the focus and blame onto those who find what the mittani said to be crossing the line. Stick to mindless trolling, it's what you goons are actually good at....
nah you're failing to realize that you're angry about the titan nerf/ice interdiction/whatever and decided to use something a guy said at fanfest to try to draw CCP's attention
fact is that CCP won't disenfranchise 10,000+ dudes who voted for The Mittani and even more who voted for like-minded CSM candidates by kicking him off the panel or banning him from the game outright.
basically this is the new "oh god some goon has a forums sig on goonfleet.com making fun of a dude that died two years ago let's drive them out of the game and lose our space over it" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
393
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:39:00 -
[1441] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
I'm not a lawyer. That's why I'm asking somebody to provide proof of this law that people keep talking about.
Where you once? 'were' 'where' learn the difference.
I'll take that as you'd prefer not to say for your own reasons hey 
Well tell me this do YOU fully understand
Corporate law, Icelandic law, International law, Federal Law, and any State Law that may also apply , I very much doubt it, so perhaps you shouldn't be so sure , with your 'lolz it's nothing this is EVE' rhetoric, it's tiresome
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
413
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:39:00 -
[1442] - Quote
Looks like over 150 ships at the Jita Monument ATM..... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
393
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:40:00 -
[1443] - Quote
Kaldaine wrote:My girlfriend just broke up with me and my dog died and I havent been able to work in MONTHS and if Mittani is removed from CSM it will be the last straw and I will kill myself.
*:snypa: bitches*
Nah bud, report button says it so much better
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3438
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:40:00 -
[1444] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying
Read up on it bro, and seeing that The Mittani is a corporate lawyer, or retired corporate lawyer, he should know this law and be able to explain it to you personally.
Everyone knows that you don't give a rat's ass about The Wis or cyberbullying and are only concerned about YOUR POOR LIL TITAN GETTING NERFED abloobloobloooooooooooooooooo "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
625
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:41:00 -
[1445] - Quote
Darc Kaahar wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:
The world is watching.
lol
Just trying to create higher anticipation. v0v. 
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Javier McPoopbeard
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:41:00 -
[1446] - Quote
[quote][21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/ [21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s [21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun.[/quote
Joking about suicide? What a ****. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:41:00 -
[1447] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Looks like over 150 ships at the Jita Monument ATM.....
Only 150? OK we'll be there shortly with a 500man suicide BS gang. |

Zastrow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:41:00 -
[1448] - Quote
yo Mittens gave a terrible presentation, this is true. But he's a drunken player going on a rant at a convention. He doesn't speak for ccp or represent them in any official capacity. He's a player rep not a company rep. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
937
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:41:00 -
[1449] - Quote
Obsidian Dagger wrote:Just a thought, but this kind of action may be construed as incitement to commit suicide?
I don't really know. However, inGAME actions? Mittani can do what he likes.
However, he made his suggestion OUT OF GAME. Fanfest is not INGAME.
Two things from that.
One: Ingame rules no longer apply - he cannot be banned because he made no ingame threat or action to incite suicide or whatever.
Two: Check Icelands laws regarding inciting others to end thier own lives. It might come under assisted suicide laws.
Regardless, it was MORALLY wrong, and 'as a joke' is a **** poor excuse for that kind of comment.
I'm actually asking my self how much of moral banks have, attorneys have (crap his one, that's why) and a lot of some other good people from oil company owners to car company owners. As you can see you're after a few words of a guy about "something" when there is so many other important stuff to do about moral.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
542
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:42:00 -
[1450] - Quote
Kaldaine wrote:My girlfriend just broke up with me and my dog died and I havent been able to work in MONTHS and if Mittani is removed from CSM it will be the last straw and I will kill myself.
*:snypa: bitches*
I like the cut of your jib. |
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Stirko Hek
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:42:00 -
[1451] - Quote
It's probably already been said, but can't be repeated enough.
No one goes onto an online game and says they're going to kill themselves. Not seriously. The majority of people who commit suicide don't even tell those closest to them, let alone a bunch of faceless people who are more than likely to not take them seriously.
When people do this, it's a cry for attention. Which is exactly why this should never have been an issue and raised in the first place. But sadly, rational minds are few and far between now days. |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
202
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:42:00 -
[1452] - Quote
Nice laser/torp show in jita
http://www.own3d.tv/live/36959/Lakshata_Plays_Things |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3438
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:43:00 -
[1453] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Looks like over 150 ships at the Jita Monument ATM.....
Get 10,058 or more and we'll talk "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:43:00 -
[1454] - Quote
EVERYBODY, QUICK, HEAD FOR DEKLEIN!
Goons can't defend while spamming forums!
~ 49,000 ~ |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
542
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:43:00 -
[1455] - Quote
Javier McPoopbeard wrote:[21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought.
Jesus tittyfucking christ on a motherfucking pogo stick.
This guy "joked" this time, what's to say he wasn't joking before? |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:44:00 -
[1456] - Quote
Andski wrote:I suspect that most of you are quite indifferent to the fact that you're only drawing more attention to this guy and the griefer types will just run him out of the game while your lil campaign otherwise accomplishes nothing.
The griefer types running him out of the game being you, right?
Oh, it seems the only thing I can do that meets your exacting moral standards is to allow Mittani to continue running around fangs bared and biting!
Perhaps you should be less concerned about the mote in my eye and more concerned about the beam in yours.
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:44:00 -
[1457] - Quote
Calling it now. Mittens doesn't get removed from the CSM (maybe an apology - maybe) and Darius III looks like an idiot. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:44:00 -
[1458] - Quote
Wonder how long before CCP delete this entire thread? |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
399
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:44:00 -
[1459] - Quote
Andski wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Looks like over 150 ships at the Jita Monument ATM..... Get 10,058 or more and we'll talk
Don't think Mittani and Lady Harlot will be able to play all those alt accounts at once do you?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Brock Nelson
505
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:44:00 -
[1460] - Quote
Hey guys, whats going on? Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
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Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:45:00 -
[1461] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Kaldaine wrote:My girlfriend just broke up with me and my dog died and I havent been able to work in MONTHS and if Mittani is removed from CSM it will be the last straw and I will kill myself.
*:snypa: bitches* Nah bud, report button says it so much better
Posting and sniping is the only pleasure I get anymore please dont remove this from me as it would devastate me. Doing so would make you worse than Solo Drakban who is literally ******. |

Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
156
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:45:00 -
[1462] - Quote
I seem to recall a certain... INCIDENT that occurred concerning UAxDEATH & Co. where as a result of account sharing one naughty person stole a bunch of crap from the aforementioned bunch of people. The interesting part is that all this stole stuff was returned to UAxDEATH and no one was banned for anything. People can get their stuff back if account hax have occurred and can be conclusively proven, in which case the hacker gets banned. Account sharing, however, should have seen the banhammer come down on those who engaged in it, but it didn't. Why not? Was it not because at that point UAxDEATH was on the CSM?.. I'm sure the official version is that of course no, no favoritism, but tinfoil hat or no tinfoil hat, the facts don't change that consequences for EULA violation seem to have been... sidestepped for this individual (and Co).
So, even if CCP might clearly communicate that this kind of behavior is a no-no and draw the line here (because they can), which would be a pretty good move to quiet those who find it unacceptable and are vocal about it, there will probably be no action take against anyone. It could even be justified as something like "well, he did it before we took any kind of a stance on this issue, so it doesn't count".
I don't really care one way or another about this whole thing, perhaps moral relativism is to blame, but I'm interested to see what CCP will do. Prediction, herd all discussion into this thread, then let it fizzle out and allow this to be forgotten. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
72
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:45:00 -
[1463] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Calling it now. Mittens doesn't get removed from the CSM (maybe an apology - maybe) and Darius III looks like an idiot.
Darius III Does not need any assistance to look like an idiot. |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:45:00 -
[1464] - Quote
When does 10,058 votes not matter?
When you get thrown out of your position.
~ 49,000 ~ |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
399
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:45:00 -
[1465] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Javier McPoopbeard wrote:[21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. Jesus tittyfucking christ on a motherfucking pogo stick. This guy "joked" this time, what's to say he wasn't joking before?
It matters not....
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
156
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:46:00 -
[1466] - Quote
I seem to recall a certain... INCIDENT that occurred concerning UAxDEATH & Co. where as a result of director-level account sharing that the leadership most definitely had a hand in one naughty person stole a bunch of crap from the aforementioned bunch of people. The interesting part is that all this stole stuff was returned to UAxDEATH and no one was banned for anything. People can get their stuff back if account hax have occurred and can be conclusively proven, in which case the hacker gets banned. Account sharing, however, should have seen the banhammer come down on those who engaged in it, but it didn't. Why not? Was it not because at that point UAxDEATH was on the CSM?.. I'm sure the official version is that of course no, no favoritism, but tinfoil hat or no tinfoil hat, the facts don't change that consequences for EULA violation seem to have been... sidestepped for this individual (and Co).
So, even if CCP might clearly communicate that this kind of behavior is a no-no and draw the line here (because they can), which would be a pretty good move to quiet those who find it unacceptable and are vocal about it, there will probably be no action take against anyone. It could even be justified as something like "well, he did it before we took any kind of a stance on this issue, so it doesn't count".
I don't really care one way or another about this whole thing, perhaps moral relativism is to blame, but I'm interested to see what CCP will do. Prediction, herd all discussion into this thread, then let it fizzle out and allow this to be forgotten. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3439
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:46:00 -
[1467] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Andski wrote:I suspect that most of you are quite indifferent to the fact that you're only drawing more attention to this guy and the griefer types will just run him out of the game while your lil campaign otherwise accomplishes nothing. The griefer types running him out of the game being you, right? Oh, it seems the only thing I can do that meets your exacting moral standards is to allow Mittani to continue running around fangs bared and biting! Perhaps you should be less concerned about the mote in my eye and more concerned about the beam in yours. And he crossed so many lines, I really don't know which one to focus on really.
We're not the only alliance that does suicide ganking in the game. Sorry. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
399
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:46:00 -
[1468] - Quote
Kaldaine wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Kaldaine wrote:My girlfriend just broke up with me and my dog died and I havent been able to work in MONTHS and if Mittani is removed from CSM it will be the last straw and I will kill myself.
*:snypa: bitches* Nah bud, report button says it so much better Posting and sniping is the only pleasure I get anymore please dont remove this from me as it would devastate me. Doing so would make you worse than Solo Drakban who is literally ******.
No longer in my hands fella , cry moar to CCP
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Vladimir Blackschlong
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:46:00 -
[1469] - Quote
Ajita al Tchar wrote:I seem to recall a certain... INCIDENT that occurred concerning UAxDEATH & Co. where as a result of account sharing one naughty person stole a bunch of crap from the aforementioned bunch of people. The interesting part is that all this stole stuff was returned to UAxDEATH and no one was banned for anything. People can get their stuff back if account hax have occurred and can be conclusively proven, in which case the hacker gets banned. Account sharing, however, should have seen the banhammer come down on those who engaged in it, but it didn't. Why not? Was it not because at that point UAxDEATH was on the CSM?.. I'm sure the official version is that of course no, no favoritism, but tinfoil hat or no tinfoil hat, the facts don't change that consequences for EULA violation seem to have been... sidestepped for this individual (and Co).
So, even if CCP might clearly communicate that this kind of behavior is a no-no and draw the line here (because they can), which would be a pretty good move to quiet those who find it unacceptable and are vocal about it, there will probably be no action take against anyone. It could even be justified as something like "well, he did it before we took any kind of a stance on this issue, so it doesn't count".
I don't really care one way or another about this whole thing, perhaps moral relativism is to blame, but I'm interested to see what CCP will do. Prediction, herd all discussion into this thread, then let it fizzle out and allow this to be forgotten.
Apparently the tinfoil doesn't stop the aliens from using their brain ray. |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:46:00 -
[1470] - Quote
Stirko Hek wrote:It's probably already been said, but can't be repeated enough.
No one goes onto an online game and says they're going to kill themselves. Not seriously. The majority of people who commit suicide don't even tell those closest to them, let alone a bunch of faceless people who are more than likely to not take them seriously.
When people do this, it's a cry for attention. Which is exactly why this should never have been an issue and raised in the first place. But sadly, rational minds are few and far between now days.
And you know this how? |
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Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:47:00 -
[1471] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Javier McPoopbeard wrote:[21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. Jesus tittyfucking christ on a motherfucking pogo stick. This guy "joked" this time, what's to say he wasn't joking before? It matters not....
Professor Alphane wrote:Kaldaine wrote:My girlfriend just broke up with me and my dog died and I havent been able to work in MONTHS and if Mittani is removed from CSM it will be the last straw and I will kill myself.
*:snypa: bitches* Nah bud, report button says it so much better
I know right? |

Zain Andreas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:47:00 -
[1472] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Andski wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Looks like over 150 ships at the Jita Monument ATM..... Get 10,058 or more and we'll talk Don't think Mittani and Lady Harlot will be able to play all those alt accounts at once do you?
I'll have you know that Ladie Harlot is a SAINT! |

QU0RRA
Isomorphic Algorithms
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:47:00 -
[1473] - Quote
Brock Nelson wrote:Hey guys, whats going on?
Goons go overtime on damage limitation....... more at 11 
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
399
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:48:00 -
[1474] - Quote
Even if CCP could close ranks before you think they will now with the worlds gaming press watching them like hawks and DUST just going into Beta
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:48:00 -
[1475] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Calling it now. Mittens doesn't get removed from the CSM (maybe an apology - maybe) and Darius III looks like an idiot. Darius III Does not need any assistance to look like an idiot.
You mean like breaking the NDA, not having anything happen to him about it, and then hypocritically coming on here and calling for the explusion of another CSM leader? |

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
144
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:49:00 -
[1476] - Quote
Javier McPoopbeard wrote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Joking about suicide? What a ****.
the guy all the drama is about could careless lol |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
543
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:49:00 -
[1477] - Quote
Ahaha. So there's now what, 10 people shooting the Jita monument?
REVOLUTION GUYS, HONEST |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:49:00 -
[1478] - Quote
You guys heard the BUZZ around town??
Word is that Mittens lost his kittens. Meow!
M O A R
G O O N
T E A R S
~ 49,000 ~ |

Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
32
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:49:00 -
[1479] - Quote
Mittens is exactly the kind of person I WANT on the CSM. I don't care much for Goons in general, but Mittani doesn't censor what he says, and says what he thinks. Right or wrong, that's what you want in an elected official.
The last thing I want is for Eve politics to end up just like real world politics, where canned responses are echoed ad infinitum to appease lazy and corpulent masses.
As for this 'make him want to kill himself business,' I could honestly care less. More brutal slander is hurled around Dodixie local during the average lunch hour. Taking this seriously is like sending someone in for psych evaluations every time they say with exasperation 'I'm going to hang myself if X.'
This smacks more than a little of bitter politics, where people just cant get over the fact that someone they personally don't like got more votes. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
399
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:49:00 -
[1480] - Quote
Zain Andreas wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Andski wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Looks like over 150 ships at the Jita Monument ATM..... Get 10,058 or more and we'll talk Don't think Mittani and Lady Harlot will be able to play all those alt accounts at once do you? I'll have you know that Ladie Harlot is a SAINT!
Supporting the harrasment of a mentally ill person that may have resulted in death, goddam mother teresa sure 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
418
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:49:00 -
[1481] - Quote
:royofca: e:**** this thread is moving too fast to snipe Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
10,058 |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
196
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:51:00 -
[1482] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Even if CCP could close ranks before you think they will now with the worlds gaming press watching them like hawks and DUST just going into Beta
Yup this is not just a CCP issue. Its a SONY issue as well.
They cant turtle on this one with DUST coming out soon. |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:51:00 -
[1483] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:You guys heard the BUZZ around town??
Word is that Mittens lost his kittens. Meow!
M O A R
G O O N
T E A R S
~ 49,000 ~ Actually, he has a dog.... so, uhh you're dumb even by "forum alt troll" standards. |

Villandra Chassind
New Edens United Nation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:51:00 -
[1484] - Quote
derp |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
543
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:51:00 -
[1485] - Quote
I enjoy how The Wis doesn't give one singlefuck about this at all. |

Villandra Chassind
New Edens United Nation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:52:00 -
[1486] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:I enjoy how The Wis doesn't give one singlefuck about this at all.
failed snipe again? |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:52:00 -
[1487] - Quote
Katarina Reid wrote:Javier McPoopbeard wrote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Joking about suicide? What a ****. the guy all the drama is about could careless lol
Is this real? A good question.
I'm amazed that someone who has been mocked before thousands of people is so chill. AMAZED. |

Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:52:00 -
[1488] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: According to that page there is no federal law concerning Cyberbullying in the US. Thanks for proving my point.
read the other links :) |

Zain Andreas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:52:00 -
[1489] - Quote
I'm currently shooting the jita monument in my finest battlebadger to protest this or something. |

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:52:00 -
[1490] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:As an citizen of the USA the USA law is allways active for him no matter where in the world he is. The Iceland law comes in addition to the USA law. trolololololololol Wow your idiocy endurance is as great as the Fuhrer himself I swear Internet Lawyers who don't actually know anything about the law are almost as funny as katana-wielding martial artsists who are 200 pounds overweight. Troll Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1261
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:52:00 -
[1491] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
I'm not a lawyer. That's why I'm asking somebody to provide proof of this law that people keep talking about.
Where you once? 'were' 'where' learn the difference. I'll take that as you'd prefer not to say for your own reasons hey  Well tell me this do YOU fully understand Corporate law, Icelandic law, International law, Federal Law, and any State Law that may also apply , I very much doubt it, so perhaps you shouldn't be so sure , with your 'lolz it's nothing this is EVE' rhetoric, it's tiresome
Well Prof., to this point nobody can come up with a law from ANY source that in any way could be interpreted as meaning that Mittani has done anything illegal.
If you know of one, feel free to substantiate your position.
Quote:Wow I once had respect for you Ranger.......
Sometimes we are on the same page, other times not. I watch that video and see only one of thousands of over reactive hate mails/YouTube videos/TS recordings that we have all laughed at in the past.
The only thing that sets this one apart from "some" of the others was his pity plea saying he wanted to die since his divorce... which the author immediately diffused any thought of seriousness from by going on to link his statement directly with his in-game deaths.
There quite literally is nothing in this farce, legally or otherwise, worth taking seriously. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:53:00 -
[1492] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Zain Andreas wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Andski wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Looks like over 150 ships at the Jita Monument ATM..... Get 10,058 or more and we'll talk Don't think Mittani and Lady Harlot will be able to play all those alt accounts at once do you? I'll have you know that Ladie Harlot is a SAINT! Supporting the harrasment of a mentally ill person that may have resulted in death, goddam mother teresa sure 
As you can see the guy is still alive. But thanks Dr. whateveryournameis, I'm glad we have your expert medical opinion here to clarify that this guy is indeed mentally unstable. I'm sure you have lot's of medical knowledge and years of experience to back this up, right?
Hey can anyone here prove without doubt, without having actually met the person (in person) that he is mentally unstable?
I didn't think so. Assumptions make asses of us all. |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:53:00 -
[1493] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:You guys heard the BUZZ around town??
Word is that Mittens lost his kittens. Meow!
M O A R
G O O N
T E A R S
~ 49,000 ~ Actually, he has a dog.... so, uhh you're dumb even by "forum alt troll" standards.
OK Ice Fist... |

Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
106
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:53:00 -
[1494] - Quote
keep the pages coming, I just bet 1B isk this thread will reach 125 pages Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
399
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:53:00 -
[1495] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:I enjoy how The Wis doesn't give one singlefuck about this at all.
Sometimes such people have lost some sense of reality and what is occuring around them, not saying that is neccesarily the case, he says it was a long time ago, but that means nought really considering what the Fuhrer did
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
937
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:54:00 -
[1496] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:You guys heard the BUZZ around town??
Word is that Mittens lost his kittens. Meow!
M O A R
G O O N
T E A R S
~ 49,000 ~

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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:54:00 -
[1497] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Atomic Virulent wrote:You guys heard the BUZZ around town??
Word is that Mittens lost his kittens. Meow!
M O A R
G O O N
T E A R S
~ 49,000 ~ Actually, he has a dog.... so, uhh you're dumb even by "forum alt troll" standards. OK Ice Fist...
Hey, that's my name. HOW DARE YOU, SIR!?!?!?!?!?!?! |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
399
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:54:00 -
[1498] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote: Assumptions make asses of us all.
No your posting does that for you
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Selinate
713
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:55:00 -
[1499] - Quote
Andski wrote:Selinate wrote:Andski wrote:I suspect that most of you are quite indifferent to the fact that you're only drawing more attention to this guy and the griefer types will just run him out of the game while your lil campaign otherwise accomplishes nothing. This is a pretty poor attempt to switch the focus and blame onto those who find what the mittani said to be crossing the line. Stick to mindless trolling, it's what you goons are actually good at.... nah you're failing to realize that you're angry about the titan nerf/ice interdiction/whatever and decided to use something a guy said at fanfest to try to draw CCP's attention fact is that CCP won't disenfranchise 10,000+ dudes who voted for The Mittani and even more who voted for like-minded CSM candidates by kicking him off the panel or banning him from the game outright. basically this is the new "oh god some goon has a forums sig on goonfleet.com making fun of a dude that died two years ago let's drive them out of the game and lose our space over it"
Me mad over things that don't affect me in the slightest? No, not really. However, I'll throw in my support for Darius III to be the chair and for someone else from Brick Squad to take over that empty seat. Better than the kind of person who would give that sort of presentation... |

Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:55:00 -
[1500] - Quote
Hey ranger1 perhaps you guys should look more closely.
Cyber bullies face very serious consequences. Many cases of cyber bullying include some form of hacking, password or identity theft, or stalking, all of which carry criminal charges. Law enforcement, including the FBI, might get involved. Here are potential consequences if found guilty:
GÇó Federal charges. A federal law pending in Congress since 2009 is the Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act. The person convicted would be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. GÇó Prosecution under stalker laws. Many states have updated their stalking laws to include electronic/cyberspace harassment. They include Arizona, Alaska, Connecticut, Michigan, New York, Oklahoma and Wyoming and the list is growing. GÇó Criminal charges filed under U.S. state law are punishable by both fines and jail time. Of the 44 states with bullying laws, five have cyber bullying laws and another 30 states include electronic harassment, according to an Oct. 2010 State Cyberbullying Laws Fact Sheet compiled by the Cyberbullying Research Center. GÇó School suspensions. If it happens at school, disciplinary measures would be determined in accordance with the schoolGÇÖs code of conduct or policy prohibiting bullying, harassment and intimidation. Punishments established by the school board, district or school include suspension from sports teams and school suspensions. Repeated offenses result in the student having to change schools. GÇó Internet Service Provider (ISP) account closure and/or banishment.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr1966/text
There is the Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act. |
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:55:00 -
[1501] - Quote
I have an iPhone recorded link to the video in question.
Send me 500m ISK in-game with the reason "Mittens loses CSM" and I will evemail you the link.
~ 49,000 ~ |

Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
145
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:56:00 -
[1502] - Quote
if he broke any law i could careless as long as he can play eve and chair csm from jail. CCP is not police. |

Xenuria
Center Haus Insane Asylum
452
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:56:00 -
[1503] - Quote
As somebody who battles regularly with severe depression I would like to say that in my opinion what mittani did was in bad taste but did not violate any rules that I am aware of. If everybody who ever told me I should kill myself or encouraged people to harass me online or irl got in trouble then there would be chaos. Vote Xenuria CSM7 |

Truce Billis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:56:00 -
[1504] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:Hey ranger1 perhaps you guys should look more closely.
Cyber bullies face very serious consequences. Many cases of cyber bullying include some form of hacking, password or identity theft, or stalking, all of which carry criminal charges. Law enforcement, including the FBI, might get involved. Here are potential consequences if found guilty:
GÇó Federal charges. A federal law pending in Congress since 2009 is the Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act. The person convicted would be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. GÇó Prosecution under stalker laws. Many states have updated their stalking laws to include electronic/cyberspace harassment. They include Arizona, Alaska, Connecticut, Michigan, New York, Oklahoma and Wyoming and the list is growing. GÇó Criminal charges filed under U.S. state law are punishable by both fines and jail time. Of the 44 states with bullying laws, five have cyber bullying laws and another 30 states include electronic harassment, according to an Oct. 2010 State Cyberbullying Laws Fact Sheet compiled by the Cyberbullying Research Center. GÇó School suspensions. If it happens at school, disciplinary measures would be determined in accordance with the schoolGÇÖs code of conduct or policy prohibiting bullying, harassment and intimidation. Punishments established by the school board, district or school include suspension from sports teams and school suspensions. Repeated offenses result in the student having to change schools. GÇó Internet Service Provider (ISP) account closure and/or banishment.
It's okay, God will save you from cyber-bullying. |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:56:00 -
[1505] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Ice Fist wrote: Assumptions make asses of us all. No your posting does that for you
Hey, mr. medical expert. I'm still waiting for you to back up your serious medical knowledge. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3441
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:56:00 -
[1506] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Me mad over things that don't affect me in the slightest? No, not really. However, I'll throw in my support for Darius III to be the chair and for someone else from Brick Squad to take over that empty seat. Better than the kind of person who would give that sort of presentation...
the solution is clearly to give the chairman seat to the most useless CSM delegate ever who goes fishing instead of attending the summits "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:57:00 -
[1507] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:[quote=Professor Alphane] As you can see the guy is still alive. But thanks Dr. whateveryournameis, I'm glad we have your expert medical opinion here to clarify that this guy is indeed mentally unstable. I'm sure you have lot's of medical knowledge and years of experience to back this up, right?
Hey can anyone here prove without doubt, without having actually met the person (in person) that he is mentally unstable?
I didn't think so. Assumptions make asses of us all.
Where the Mittani is in fact does have the expert medical knowledge and years of experience to know that the guy is mentally stable without having met him in person.
Know with 100% certainty to!
Ah. No. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:57:00 -
[1508] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:As somebody who battles regularly with severe depression I would like to say that in my opinion what mittani did was in bad taste but did not violate any rules that I am aware of. If everybody who ever told me I should kill myself or encouraged people to harass me online or irl got in trouble then there would be chaos. Whoa whoa whoa! Xenuria has mental problems?! I AM TRULY SURPRISED!! |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3441
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:57:00 -
[1509] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:Hey ranger1 perhaps you guys should look more closely. Cyber bullies face very serious consequences. Many cases of cyber bullying include some form of hacking, password or identity theft, or stalking, all of which carry criminal charges. Law enforcement, including the FBI, might get involved. Here are potential consequences if found guilty: GÇó Federal charges. A federal law pending in Congress since 2009 is the Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act. The person convicted would be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. GÇó Prosecution under stalker laws. Many states have updated their stalking laws to include electronic/cyberspace harassment. They include Arizona, Alaska, Connecticut, Michigan, New York, Oklahoma and Wyoming and the list is growing. GÇó Criminal charges filed under U.S. state law are punishable by both fines and jail time. Of the 44 states with bullying laws, five have cyber bullying laws and another 30 states include electronic harassment, according to an Oct. 2010 State Cyberbullying Laws Fact Sheet compiled by the Cyberbullying Research Center. GÇó School suspensions. If it happens at school, disciplinary measures would be determined in accordance with the schoolGÇÖs code of conduct or policy prohibiting bullying, harassment and intimidation. Punishments established by the school board, district or school include suspension from sports teams and school suspensions. Repeated offenses result in the student having to change schools. GÇó Internet Service Provider (ISP) account closure and/or banishment. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr1966/textThere is the Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act.
I forgot that Fanfest took place in the US "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:57:00 -
[1510] - Quote
Andski wrote:Selinate wrote:Me mad over things that don't affect me in the slightest? No, not really. However, I'll throw in my support for Darius III to be the chair and for someone else from Brick Squad to take over that empty seat. Better than the kind of person who would give that sort of presentation... the solution is clearly to give the chairman seat to the most useless CSM delegate ever who goes fishing instead of attending the summits
Because having a sociopath hold the chair is working so well. |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
399
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:58:00 -
[1511] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ice Fist wrote: Assumptions make asses of us all. No your posting does that for you Hey, mr. medical expert. I'm still waiting for you to back up your serious medical knowledge.
And I'm waiting for you to stop posting
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Selinate
713
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:58:00 -
[1512] - Quote
Andski wrote: the solution is clearly to give the chairman seat to the most useless CSM delegate ever who goes fishing instead of attending the summits
Sounds like EXACTLY the kind of person I could get behind.
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Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:58:00 -
[1513] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Supporting the harrasment of a mentally ill person that may have resulted in death, goddam mother teresa sure 
Professor Alphane wrote:Kaldaine wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Kaldaine wrote:My girlfriend just broke up with me and my dog died and I havent been able to work in MONTHS and if Mittani is removed from CSM it will be the last straw and I will kill myself.
*:snypa: bitches* Nah bud, report button says it so much better Posting and sniping is the only pleasure I get anymore please dont remove this from me as it would devastate me. Doing so would make you worse than Solo Drakban who is literally ******. No longer in my hands fella , cry moar to CCP
I support your efforts to kill people 100%. |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:58:00 -
[1514] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Ice Fist wrote:[quote=Professor Alphane] As you can see the guy is still alive. But thanks Dr. whateveryournameis, I'm glad we have your expert medical opinion here to clarify that this guy is indeed mentally unstable. I'm sure you have lot's of medical knowledge and years of experience to back this up, right?
Hey can anyone here prove without doubt, without having actually met the person (in person) that he is mentally unstable?
I didn't think so. Assumptions make asses of us all. Where the Mittani is in fact has the expert medical knowledge and years of experience to know that the guy is mentally stable without having met him in person. Know with 100% certainty to! Ah. No.
What? This is barely English. Try again. |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
398
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:58:00 -
[1515] - Quote
SCREW THESE 60 DOLLAR MONOCLES. |

Zain Andreas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:59:00 -
[1516] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:Andski wrote:Selinate wrote:Me mad over things that don't affect me in the slightest? No, not really. However, I'll throw in my support for Darius III to be the chair and for someone else from Brick Squad to take over that empty seat. Better than the kind of person who would give that sort of presentation... the solution is clearly to give the chairman seat to the most useless CSM delegate ever who goes fishing instead of attending the summits Because having a sociopath hold the chair is working so well.
This but unironically. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
399
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:59:00 -
[1517] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:As somebody who battles regularly with severe depression I would like to say that in my opinion what mittani did was in bad taste but did not violate any rules that I am aware of. If everybody who ever told me I should kill myself or encouraged people to harass me online or irl got in trouble then there would be chaos.
Sorry to hear that
He may have broken several terms in contracts he has entered into with CCP , he might also of infracted Icelandic law and US law
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:59:00 -
[1518] - Quote
TO DEKLEIN!
~ 49,000 ~ |

Severian Carnifex
115
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:59:00 -
[1519] - Quote
Not bad in Jita http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/13905166.png/ |

Le Cardinal
Spricer Raiden.
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:59:00 -
[1520] - Quote
Man took ages to scroll through all this crap. The only thing CCP will worry about is their reputation, and some mockery from 1 person, CSM or not, wont affect that much. Granted im not one of those who voted for him, im still gonna give him a little advice
This does affect him in RL. The immature words of this self-inflated ego and self proclaimed (chubby someone mention also) King of Space can now be googled by any future employer he applies for a job at. And unless he runs his own business that can affect him negatively. And the irony of it all is that its the goons in this thread that keeps it alive.
Oh yeah the advice. Just apologize and be done with it. This is the only sensible option for him unless he values his e-peen more than his real life. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1261
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 22:59:00 -
[1521] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: According to that page there is no federal law concerning Cyberbullying in the US. Thanks for proving my point.
read the other links :)
You might want to actually read that before you link to it.  When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:00:00 -
[1522] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ice Fist wrote: Assumptions make asses of us all. No your posting does that for you Hey, mr. medical expert. I'm still waiting for you to back up your serious medical knowledge. And I'm waiting for you to stop posting
Ah, so you're not going to prove your pretty serious assertions of mental instability? You know, I think you're mentally unstable. I have no way of really knowing, but I'm going to say it a bunch of times and it'll be true. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
399
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:00:00 -
[1523] - Quote
Kaldaine wrote:
I support your efforts to get banned people who make jokes about a very sensetive subject 100%.
Fixed and why thank you
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

ed jeni
SKULLDOGS RED.OverLord
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:01:00 -
[1524] - Quote
If the mittani supporters are so Completely convinced that their glorious leader has done no wrong then i am sure they will stand by his side and accept whatever punishment, if any is metered out when the dust (sic) settles. or will their support evaporate if the tide is coming in fast, while the mittani sits on the beach on his throne trying to hold back the tide of hatred coming his way.
personally, I donGÇÖt give a toss if some carebear threatens suicide due to some goon inspired grief fest.
i do however care when the chair of the CSM Incites others to harass said carebear with a view to encouraging his demise.
my views are mine and mine alone, but it seems that the bad press boulder is rolling downhill fast, and CCP better find some way of stopping it.
Sony are going to be more than a bit ticked off once this bad news story starts to gain traction in the mainstream press, especially as DUST514 is a few months from launch and you can bet that a bucket load of Sony/CCP marketing $$ are going to be rendered useless by the gaming and mainstream bad press stories, for that reason alone and for the good of EVE and CCP MIttens should either step down or do somthing to mitigate the shitstorm that the press can and will stert brewing up.
mittens is a douchebag sociopath a quality some may like, some less so.
about time CCP did some interdiction of its own this time round,
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
399
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:01:00 -
[1525] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ice Fist wrote: Assumptions make asses of us all. No your posting does that for you Hey, mr. medical expert. I'm still waiting for you to back up your serious medical knowledge. And I'm waiting for you to stop posting Ah, so you're not going to prove your pretty serious assertions of mental instability? You know, I think you're mentally unstable. I have no way of really knowing, but I'm going to say it a bunch of times and it'll be true.
Fair enough go for your life.. not sure what you intend to achieve but hey knock yourself out ,let me know how you get on with that
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:04:00 -
[1526] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
No your posting does that for you
Hey, mr. medical expert. I'm still waiting for you to back up your serious medical knowledge. And I'm waiting for you to stop posting Ah, so you're not going to prove your pretty serious assertions of mental instability? You know, I think you're mentally unstable. I have no way of really knowing, but I'm going to say it a bunch of times and it'll be true. Fair enough go for your life.. not sure what you intend to achieve but hey knock yourself out ,let me know how you get on with that
Hey, still waiting for you to back up your medical assertions. I mean, you are a medical expert aren't you?? Because if you weren't I mean I probably wouldn't take things you post very seriously. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
543
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:05:00 -
[1527] - Quote
There's not enough posts in this thread. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
543
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:05:00 -
[1528] - Quote
Allow me to help. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1261
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:06:00 -
[1529] - Quote
Andski wrote:Akelorian wrote:Hey ranger1 perhaps you guys should look more closely. Cyber bullies face very serious consequences. Many cases of cyber bullying include some form of hacking, password or identity theft, or stalking, all of which carry criminal charges. Law enforcement, including the FBI, might get involved. Here are potential consequences if found guilty: GÇó Federal charges. A federal law pending in Congress since 2009 is the Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act. The person convicted would be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. GÇó Prosecution under stalker laws. Many states have updated their stalking laws to include electronic/cyberspace harassment. They include Arizona, Alaska, Connecticut, Michigan, New York, Oklahoma and Wyoming and the list is growing. GÇó Criminal charges filed under U.S. state law are punishable by both fines and jail time. Of the 44 states with bullying laws, five have cyber bullying laws and another 30 states include electronic harassment, according to an Oct. 2010 State Cyberbullying Laws Fact Sheet compiled by the Cyberbullying Research Center. GÇó School suspensions. If it happens at school, disciplinary measures would be determined in accordance with the schoolGÇÖs code of conduct or policy prohibiting bullying, harassment and intimidation. Punishments established by the school board, district or school include suspension from sports teams and school suspensions. Repeated offenses result in the student having to change schools. GÇó Internet Service Provider (ISP) account closure and/or banishment. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr1966/textThere is the Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act. I forgot that Fanfest took place in the US
Not to mention the fact that The Wis is a mature divorced man, not a child... which is what the above legislation is specifically designed to protect.
Come on guys, really?
Quote: [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun.
Read this again slowly.
He doesn't care... did not commit suicide... joked about it in his original EVE mail... and in fact is STILL joking about it.
If this thread was ever about The Wiz and his mental health, it should end right now.
But it won't, because this thread was never about the well being of The Wiz to begin with.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Xenuria
Center Haus Insane Asylum
454
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:07:00 -
[1530] - Quote
The Thread is more about the untapped outrage over Mittani and the regret people who did not vote for me now have to deal with.
Vote Xenuria CSM7 |
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Sponge Blib
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:07:00 -
[1531] - Quote
Didn't Lenin already said that the mass is stupid, easy to control? |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
609
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:07:00 -
[1532] - Quote
The number of you that will change your tune if this has action applied to it will be amazing.
Imagine this:
From now on, if you get ganked, you need only threaten to kill yourself. The standard 'EVE' reaction is to ridicule this, and in doing so you instantly open yourself to petition.
You can mock it now, but its going to become the new meta game if you let it become an issue.
CCP should take that stance, the man wasn't harmed, doesn't care that this is going on, has moved on with his life in game, and isn't at all concerned, in fact,THE GAME COMPANY ITSELF wasn't concerned until some random player who WAS NOT INVOLVED IN NAME OR ACTION AT ALL other than seeing it on an unrated internet stream that he had full rights to turn off brought it up in a public display.
The incident is being used as a weapon.
The incident has a potential to set a dangerous precedent.
The 'Victim" doesn't give a damn. |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:07:00 -
[1533] - Quote
ed jeni wrote:If the mittani supporters are so Completely convinced that their glorious leader has done no wrong then i am sure they will stand by his side and accept whatever punishment, if any is metered out when the dust (sic) settles. or will their support evaporate if the tide is coming in fast, while the mittani sits on the beach on his throne trying to hold back the tide of hatred coming his way.
personally, I donGÇÖt give a toss if some carebear threatens suicide due to some goon inspired grief fest.
i do however care when the chair of the CSM Incites others to harass said carebear with a view to encouraging his demise.
my views are mine and mine alone, but it seems that the bad press boulder is rolling downhill fast, and CCP better find some way of stopping it.
Sony are going to be more than a bit ticked off once this bad news story starts to gain traction in the mainstream press, especially as DUST514 is a few months from launch and you can bet that a bucket load of Sony/CCP marketing $$ are going to be rendered useless by the gaming and mainstream bad press stories, for that reason alone and for the good of EVE and CCP MIttens should either step down or do somthing to mitigate the shitstorm that the press can and will stert brewing up.
mittens is a douchebag sociopath a quality some may like, some less so.
about time CCP did some interdiction of its own this time round,
If you blow up my internet space ship, can I threaten suicide and get you banned too? |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
23
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:08:00 -
[1534] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Twulf wrote:How can you be this stupid? Seriously its an honest question.
God how can you be this dumb? How on earth do you not hurt yourself while typing? Oh cool the "how can you be this dumb?" game! I've got next: Congress isn't going to act unless there's something in it for them - either money or goodwill from their voterbase. Goodwill from their voterbase would require the public to (a) know about this and to (b) give a **** about it. For this to happen, some major news source would have to pick up the story and run with it, which means they'd have to call it cyber-bullying and interview The Wis about it. Not only does The Wis seem pretty much not-too-bothered about the whole thing, he's also an adult. Cyber-bullying is a hot topic because it falls under the "think of the children" banner, which is pretty much incompatible with an adult, especially one who doesn't seem bothered by what transpired (not anymore, anyway). I guess the TL;DR is "how can you be this dumb? How on earth do you not hurt yourself while typing?"
Look another goon that cannot read. I clearly said that it would be worst case but I guess that is to hard for idiots like you to understand.
All that would need to happen btw is for an eager Congress person to jump on this issue and use it as example A for why we need their new X law. There are enough anti- gamer groups out there now that I am sure they have an ear of some congress person. This is worst case, this is not going to happen unless everything falls into line just right and I am not saying it should happen. What I am saying, acting like this is some innocent trash talking is just plain silly, it is more than that, anyone with common sense can see that. That is why you goons don't understand. Common sense is not very common with you all.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
402
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:08:00 -
[1535] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote: Hey, still waiting for you to back up your medical assertions. I mean, you are a medical expert aren't you?? Because if you weren't I mean I probably wouldn't take things you post very seriously.
Dude if I where a proffesor of clincal psychology I doubt you'd do anything but try argue with me anyway
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Nymph Purchasing
Ruvas Logistics and Maintenance Services
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:08:00 -
[1536] - Quote
ShahFluffers wrote:Today class... we learn that morality is but a mere construct and is not shared by everyone. We will also learn that it is entirely possible to be completely amoral whilst breaking no actual law.
This is incorrect. In an increasing number of areas in the United States Alexanders actions would have, in fact, broken relatively new cyber bullying laws. As a mental health professional myself and one who voted for Mittani believing he is capable of doing great things I am very disappointed in his contact and can assure you that the number of accounts supporting him is at least 3 less--the ones I am responsible for. |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
127
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:08:00 -
[1537] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:The Thread is more about the untapped outrage over Mittani and the regret people who did not vote for me now have to deal with.
Well at least you made me laugh.  |

space gator
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:08:00 -
[1538] - Quote
https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:09:00 -
[1539] - Quote
It seems that common sense has own and everyone goes back to doing the right thing
https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani/status/184412238218657792 |

Rihanna Makulu
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:09:00 -
[1540] - Quote
ed jeni wrote:If the mittani supporters are so Completely convinced that their glorious leader has done no wrong then i am sure they will stand by his side and accept whatever punishment, if any is metered out when the dust (sic) settles. or will their support evaporate if the tide is coming in fast, while the mittani sits on the beach on his throne trying to hold back the tide of hatred coming his way.
personally, I donGÇÖt give a toss if some carebear threatens suicide due to some goon inspired grief fest.
i do however care when the chair of the CSM Incites others to harass said carebear with a view to encouraging his demise.
my views are mine and mine alone, but it seems that the bad press boulder is rolling downhill fast, and CCP better find some way of stopping it.
Sony are going to be more than a bit ticked off once this bad news story starts to gain traction in the mainstream press, especially as DUST514 is a few months from launch and you can bet that a bucket load of Sony/CCP marketing $$ are going to be rendered useless by the gaming and mainstream bad press stories, for that reason alone and for the good of EVE and CCP MIttens should either step down or do somthing to mitigate the shitstorm that the press can and will stert brewing up.
mittens is a douchebag sociopath a quality some may like, some less so.
about time CCP did some interdiction of its own this time round,
And the gutter press love nothing more than news like this, its going to be a field day for them if this is stumbled upon by their **** poor journalists who like to make sensationalist stories out of anything on a slow news day. Especially if they can get the word Sony in their story. |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
402
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:10:00 -
[1541] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Andski wrote:Akelorian wrote:Hey ranger1 perhaps you guys should look more closely. Cyber bullies face very serious consequences. Many cases of cyber bullying include some form of hacking, password or identity theft, or stalking, all of which carry criminal charges. Law enforcement, including the FBI, might get involved. Here are potential consequences if found guilty: GÇó Federal charges. A federal law pending in Congress since 2009 is the Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act. The person convicted would be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. GÇó Prosecution under stalker laws. Many states have updated their stalking laws to include electronic/cyberspace harassment. They include Arizona, Alaska, Connecticut, Michigan, New York, Oklahoma and Wyoming and the list is growing. GÇó Criminal charges filed under U.S. state law are punishable by both fines and jail time. Of the 44 states with bullying laws, five have cyber bullying laws and another 30 states include electronic harassment, according to an Oct. 2010 State Cyberbullying Laws Fact Sheet compiled by the Cyberbullying Research Center. GÇó School suspensions. If it happens at school, disciplinary measures would be determined in accordance with the schoolGÇÖs code of conduct or policy prohibiting bullying, harassment and intimidation. Punishments established by the school board, district or school include suspension from sports teams and school suspensions. Repeated offenses result in the student having to change schools. GÇó Internet Service Provider (ISP) account closure and/or banishment. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr1966/textThere is the Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act. I forgot that Fanfest took place in the US Not to mention the fact that The Wis is a mature divorced man, not a child... which is what the above legislation is specifically designed to protect. Come on guys, really? Quote: [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun.
Read this again slowly. He doesn't care... did not commit suicide... joked about it in his original EVE mail... and in fact is STILL joking about it. If this thread was ever about The Wiz and his mental health, it should end right now. But it won't, because this thread was never about the well being of The Wiz to begin with.
And if it was ranger jr , who was having a bad time and you found him hanging in your stairwell you'd feel the same I assume.
Mintani did nothing wrong ????
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

baltec1
878
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:10:00 -
[1542] - Quote
ed jeni wrote:If the mittani supporters are so Completely convinced that their glorious leader has done no wrong then i am sure they will stand by his side and accept whatever punishment, if any is metered out when the dust (sic) settles. or will their support evaporate if the tide is coming in fast, while the mittani sits on the beach on his throne trying to hold back the tide of hatred coming his way.
personally, I donGÇÖt give a toss if some carebear threatens suicide due to some goon inspired grief fest.
i do however care when the chair of the CSM Incites others to harass said carebear with a view to encouraging his demise.
my views are mine and mine alone, but it seems that the bad press boulder is rolling downhill fast, and CCP better find some way of stopping it.
Sony are going to be more than a bit ticked off once this bad news story starts to gain traction in the mainstream press, especially as DUST514 is a few months from launch and you can bet that a bucket load of Sony/CCP marketing $$ are going to be rendered useless by the gaming and mainstream bad press stories, for that reason alone and for the good of EVE and CCP MIttens should either step down or do somthing to mitigate the shitstorm that the press can and will stert brewing up.
mittens is a douchebag sociopath a quality some may like, some less so.
about time CCP did some interdiction of its own this time round,
He said nothing that is not said in Crime and punishment and EVE-Kill every single day. |

Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
48
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:11:00 -
[1543] - Quote
That twitter won't happen
He's a twit.
-1 The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
402
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:12:00 -
[1544] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:The Thread is more about the untapped outrage over Mittani and the regret people who did not vote for me now have to deal with.
Yes if everyone had only realised what an ass he really was 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:12:00 -
[1545] - Quote
I'm going to commit suicide unless every single person who flies a Tengu is banned.
(COMPLETELY JOKING)
Edit: Titans too. Ban those guys I the minmatar gets it (/Blazing Saddles) |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
402
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:12:00 -
[1546] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:ed jeni wrote:If the mittani supporters are so Completely convinced that their glorious leader has done no wrong then i am sure they will stand by his side and accept whatever punishment, if any is metered out when the dust (sic) settles. or will their support evaporate if the tide is coming in fast, while the mittani sits on the beach on his throne trying to hold back the tide of hatred coming his way.
personally, I donGÇÖt give a toss if some carebear threatens suicide due to some goon inspired grief fest.
i do however care when the chair of the CSM Incites others to harass said carebear with a view to encouraging his demise.
my views are mine and mine alone, but it seems that the bad press boulder is rolling downhill fast, and CCP better find some way of stopping it.
Sony are going to be more than a bit ticked off once this bad news story starts to gain traction in the mainstream press, especially as DUST514 is a few months from launch and you can bet that a bucket load of Sony/CCP marketing $$ are going to be rendered useless by the gaming and mainstream bad press stories, for that reason alone and for the good of EVE and CCP MIttens should either step down or do somthing to mitigate the shitstorm that the press can and will stert brewing up.
mittens is a douchebag sociopath a quality some may like, some less so.
about time CCP did some interdiction of its own this time round,
He said nothing that is not said in Crime and punishment and EVE-Kill every single day.
2 wrongs you goofy looking fool
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
543
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:13:00 -
[1547] - Quote
http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all. |

Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:14:00 -
[1548] - Quote
Voith wrote: If you blow up my internet space ship, can I threaten suicide and get you banned too?
No.
But, if he blows up your ship and you threaten suicide then he attempts to get you to commit suicide and encourages others to harass you to commit suicide as well, yes, he should be banned if that is against the EULA/TOS of EVE Online.
|

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
609
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:14:00 -
[1549] - Quote
Dear Xenuria,
The EVE community has recently voiced its opinion, where your opinion is concerned.
You got 200 votes, out of 300,000 people.
Pretty sure I speak for everybody when I tell you that nobody cares what you think.
Sincerely,
The Popular Vote. |

theelusiveyoda
Death Troopers
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:15:00 -
[1550] - Quote
Look at all the goons replies, its like someone did something to upset someone in goonswarm like a ceo or something, or are the low on their quota of forum bs.
But seriously suggesting someone should take there own life is a serious ****headed move imo, and anyone who represents a group of people should not be able to make such comments and get away with it simply because they are part of the csm which claims to represnt players beliefs, i personally do not believe in what the mitanni has said is correct or wish that his point of view be representive of my opinions on such matters.
And if you personally think that people with a mental illness or who are depressed should commit suicide then you are a **** and dont really understand basic genetics and causes of mental illnesses and depression in which case go read wikipedia.
Also to the people saying people who threaten to commit self harm over a video game should be mocked, while it might be funny in your opinion to laugh at, some people do actually commit harm to themselves and others because of what happens in video games, there have been many scientific studies into the effects that video games have on peoples mental health and perception of real life and suggest you go read some before making such suggestions, after all video games might not be real but the emotions and actions they prevoke very much are real and such actions should not be taken lightly or generaly mocked.
And people wonder why people dont like goons much.
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Manar Detri
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:15:00 -
[1551] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:The number of you that will change your tune if this has action applied to it will be amazing.
Imagine this:
From now on, if you get ganked, you need only threaten to kill yourself. The standard 'EVE' reaction is to ridicule this, and in doing so you instantly open yourself to petition.
You can mock it now, but its going to become the new meta game if you let it become an issue.
CCP should take that stance, the man wasn't harmed, doesn't care that this is going on, has moved on with his life in game, and isn't at all concerned, in fact,THE GAME COMPANY ITSELF wasn't concerned until some random player who WAS NOT INVOLVED IN NAME OR ACTION AT ALL other than seeing it on an unrated internet stream that he had full rights to turn off brought it up in a public display.
The incident is being used as a weapon.
The incident has a potential to set a dangerous precedent.
The 'Victim" doesn't give a damn.
Isn't this about a csm telling people to harrass a person in an internet spaceship game in order to make him commit a suicide?:D
Idon't see how this can in any way be used for "this dude ganked me and i wanna kill maself".
It'd been great and all that if mittani went "damn, imma gonna go and find him and gank him some more". But he went and blurfed "everyone go gank him till he drops dead" so to say .
So no, if somethings done bout this ****, it sure as hell won't have an impact on ganking (remember, ganking is the point in the game). |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
543
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:16:00 -
[1552] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all.
Shut up about your mentallyretarded bullshit and read this post, goddamnit you motherfucking nerds. |

Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:16:00 -
[1553] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all.
at least HE sees his errors... you goons should follow your leader
|

Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
157
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:17:00 -
[1554] - Quote
Nymph Purchasing wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Today class... we learn that morality is but a mere construct and is not shared by everyone. We will also learn that it is entirely possible to be completely amoral whilst breaking no actual law. This is incorrect. In an increasing number of areas in the United States Alexanders actions would have, in fact, broken relatively new cyber bullying laws. As a mental health professional myself and one who voted for Mittani believing he is capable of doing great things I am very disappointed in his contact and can assure you that the number of accounts supporting him is at least 3 less--the ones I am responsible for.
Well, "law" and "morality" aren't exactly the same thing. One attempts to uphold the other, but since moral values vary from person to person (heck, even the idea of "morality" means different things to different people), it is destined to fail at doing so. The difference is that you should probably not break the law too often or too obviously, whereas you can choose whatever you want as your set of moral values (and most likely be judged accordingly by society).
Of course, if laws and consequences were a simple matter, not open to discussion, interpretation and subjectivity in any way, shape or form, we probably wouldn't have need of such people as "lawyers". ultimately, what matters here is what CCP says and they aren't exactly cornered by the law into only having one choice for action (if any at all). This should have no bearing on whether people personally agree with such behavior, although it seems that some are prone into falling the "fallacy of the law" trap. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1449
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:17:00 -
[1555] - Quote
Well if the tweets are true then well done Mittens for taking responsibility and resigning for what was obviously a totally unacceptable breach of CSM conduct.
Hope this is something of a chastening lesson for the goon-followers on this thread.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Selinate
714
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:18:00 -
[1556] - Quote
space gator wrote:https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani
I've played this game too long to believe a goon. The game doesn't end after you close the client for them.
I'll believe that he'll step down when I see it. |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
653
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:18:00 -
[1557] - Quote
If he sincerely apologizes and it's clear he realizes what he did was stupid and he accepts some kind of punishment (or even imposes one on himself), then I think it will be over and we should move on. It sounds like he realizes he went too far, which is surprising. I could actually find myself having a little bit of respect for him once it's over if he does it right.
But I still half expect the apology to be sarcastic and insincere. We'll see. |

Darronis Olachenko
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:18:00 -
[1558] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all.
Yep, looks legit.
Not. |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1078
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:18:00 -
[1559] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:
You mean like breaking the NDA, not having anything happen to him about it, and then hypocritically coming on here and calling for the explusion of another CSM leader?
Nevermind that the Developers said there was no breach of the NDA in CSM6, keep posting, damage control not working +1
CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1261
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:18:00 -
[1560] - Quote
Quote:And if it was ranger jr , who was having a bad time and you found him hanging in your stairwell you'd feel the same I assume.
Mintani did nothing wrong ????
Actually, Ranger Jr. will find this thread rather amusing as...
A: He is not a child. B: He is not an idiot.
Just like The Wiz.... who also finds the situation amusing. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
182
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:19:00 -
[1561] - Quote
space gator wrote:https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani
I have a sneaking suspicion that Mittens is trolling, as the latest tweets ("Oh, I made a boo-boo") are totally against his recent posts on the subject.
Of course, there's always the possibilty that the Twitter account or the game account isn't operated by the same person (or is accessible by more than one person), which would explain the disconnect. |

Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:19:00 -
[1562] - Quote
Selinate wrote:space gator wrote:https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani I've played this game too long to believe a goon. The game doesn't end in-client. I'll believe that he'll step down when I see it.
Won't happen, CCP will have to remove him themselves |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:19:00 -
[1563] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Well if the tweets are true then well done Mittens for taking responsibility and resigning for what was obviously a totally unacceptable breach of CSM conduct.
Hope this is something of a chastening lesson for the goon-followers on this thread.
Post again and I'll kill myself.
(KIDDING)
Are people seeing the absurdity of this yet? |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
405
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:19:00 -
[1564] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all.
No excuse it was a prepared speech and his intent was always clear...
Apology or not CCP MUST perma ban
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:19:00 -
[1565] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all.
Pft. Yeah right. He's already posted in some of the threads with commentary that is the opposite of this. He's trolling with his twitter comments.
Profit favors the prepared |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
543
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:20:00 -
[1566] - Quote
He literally just landed off the airplane heading home. Give him some motherfucking time to get to a computer you sperglords. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
543
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:20:00 -
[1567] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all. No excuse it was a prepared speech and his intent was always clear... Apology or not CCP MUST perma ban
Please stop trolling. You're not funny. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
405
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:20:00 -
[1568] - Quote
Voith wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Well if the tweets are true then well done Mittens for taking responsibility and resigning for what was obviously a totally unacceptable breach of CSM conduct.
Hope this is something of a chastening lesson for the goon-followers on this thread.
Post again and I'll kill myself. (KIDDING) Are people seeing the absurdity of this yet?
No we are 'deadly' serious sorry
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:21:00 -
[1569] - Quote
Will CCP gank Mittens?
That is the question. |

advii
Kossu and Keppana Inc.
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:22:00 -
[1570] - Quote
ITT: Goon haters taking the opportunity to defame goons/mittani.
If you can get even SLIGHTLY different reaction to griefing by threatening to kill yourself... well, CCP is gonna have a BAD TIME.
If you steal my assets, I'm going to kill myself. If you gank me, I'm going to kill myself. If you say bad things to me, I'm going to kill myself. If I foolishly trust goons with my hulks and rorqual and lose all my stuff and can't be bothered to farm them back, then I'll kill myself because, you know, I'm severely depressed.
You probably get my point.
*go play farmville if you can't handle loss* |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3441
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:22:00 -
[1571] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:REMOVE MITTANI FROM THE CSM SO THAT HE DOESN'T GET MY TITAN NERFED
everyone can read through your bullshit br0 "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:22:00 -
[1572] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:
No excuse it was a prepared speech and his intent was always clear...
Apology or not CCP MUST perma ban
While I found the comments to be reprehensible he did not say it as part of his "prepared" speech but blurted it out during the question and answer phase.
|

Reaith
Valhalla Holding Raiden.
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:22:00 -
[1573] - Quote
Sounds like someones family has a wonderful wrongful death lawsuit to be filed against CCP and Mr Alexander Giaturco. Hopefully your law degree will save you in the federal court world.. Doubtful.
At least you can defend yourself! Pro Bono. |

Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
48
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:22:00 -
[1574] - Quote
So Mittani thinks that "sending all his isk" to a suicidal player is some sort of recompense?
ffs - the twitter is yet another faux pas The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
405
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:23:00 -
[1575] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all. No excuse it was a prepared speech and his intent was always clear... Apology or not CCP MUST perma ban Please stop trolling. You're not funny.
I'm not trolling and your defence of the undefencable just proves what sort of human detrious those of Something aweful really are
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Selinate
714
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:23:00 -
[1576] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Will CCP gank Mittens?
That is the question.
If they do, then it will give at least some validity to CCP in this situation, and also will remind these 12 year old goons that Eve and the players within, in it's entirety, isn't their property to do with as they please... |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
577
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:24:00 -
[1577] - Quote
Reaith wrote:Sounds like someones family has a wonderful wrongful death lawsuit to be filed against CCP and Mr Alexander Giaturco. Hopefully your law degree will save you in the federal court world.. Doubtful.
At least you can defend yourself! Pro Bono. He's not dead you dumbshit. |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:24:00 -
[1578] - Quote
Reaith wrote:Sounds like someones family has a wonderful wrongful death lawsuit to be filed against CCP and Mr Alexander Giaturco. Hopefully your law degree will save you in the federal court world.. Doubtful.
At least you can defend yourself! Pro Bono. Not really, but please tell me more internet lawyer. |

Rihanna Makulu
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:24:00 -
[1579] - Quote
advii wrote:ITT: Goon haters taking the opportunity to defame goons/mittani.
If you can get even SLIGHTLY different reaction to griefing by threatening to kill yourself... well, CCP is gonna have a BAD TIME.
If you steal my assets, I'm going to kill myself. If you gank me, I'm going to kill myself. If I foolishly trust goons with my hulks and rorqual and lose all my stuff and can't be bothered to farm them back, then I'll kill myself because, you know, I'm severely depressed.
You probably get my point.
*go play farmville if you can't handle loss*
Thats not the point at all. The point is, what was said in a crowded hall and uploaded to youtube. As long as you do not publicly suggest they should go and do that there is no comparison to this and that. |

David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
206
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:24:00 -
[1580] - Quote
Reaith wrote:Sounds like someones family has a wonderful wrongful death lawsuit to be filed against CCP and Mr Alexander Giaturco. Hopefully your law degree will save you in the federal court world.. Doubtful.
At least you can defend yourself! Pro Bono.
Are you mentally challenged? The Wis is alive and gives no fucks about the drama surrounding him |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
406
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:24:00 -
[1581] - Quote
Fractal Muse wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
No excuse it was a prepared speech and his intent was always clear...
Apology or not CCP MUST perma ban
While I found the comments to be reprehensible he did not say it as part of his "prepared" speech but blurted it out during the question and answer phase.
He had a presetation of the mail . he just knocked that up for lulz pissed on Icelandic grog did he?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3446
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:24:00 -
[1582] - Quote
Reaith wrote:Sounds like someones family has a wonderful wrongful death lawsuit to be filed against CCP and Mr Alexander Giaturco. Hopefully your law degree will save you in the federal court world.. Doubtful.
At least you can defend yourself! Pro Bono.
another sad raiden dude who doesn't really care but is only concerned about HIS TITAN
btw that wis dude is pretty indifferent to the whole thing but all the attention has caused him to get wardecced, fun "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
237
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:25:00 -
[1583] - Quote
I just came from the Bioware forums which is probably the only place where sillier stuff is going on that this thread.
FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
406
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:26:00 -
[1584] - Quote
Darronis Olachenko wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all. Yep, looks legit. Not.
Sorry no, read his post history from when this first hit
'Deal with it'
I think is his true opinion, he's just trying to clean his brown underpants
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
610
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:26:00 -
[1585] - Quote
Manar Detri wrote:
So no, if somethings done bout this ****, it sure as hell won't have an impact on ganking (remember, ganking is the point in the game).
Not just ganking, if you can't see how this gets gamed I can lay out just ONE way.
Say we have a fight, you win, I get mad. I write a letter to you including my rl Email address in it talking about how sad ive been and all the terribly sloppy thoughts that go with scumbags that think like that.
I wait 2 weeks, make a bunch of **** up and send it to my Email address using a VPN to mask where it came from (this won't be an FBI investigation, it'll suffer a cursory examination, and thats all it needs) and then petition you using the mails I received in your name. Those mails crafted to be mocking, supporting suicide, complete with missives to other corp members directing them to grief myself.
That took 3 minutes to think up.
This sets the bar for that, you can think it won't, but it will.
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amarrsuit
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:26:00 -
[1586] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Dear Xenuria,
The EVE community has recently voiced its opinion, where your opinion is concerned.
You got 200 votes, out of 300,000 people.
Pretty sure I speak for everybody when I tell you that nobody cares what you think.
Sincerely,
The Popular Vote.
Hey Dumbass,
How about taking your hammer-wielding IQ and using it to make the universe a better place by repeatedly smashing yourself in the face with said IQ.
On a more positive note: CCP should simply make the Mitanni publicly apologize via video and/or resign from the CSM. Barring that, let's grab the pitchforks and torches the Goons so love and inform Sony of our disgust. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:26:00 -
[1587] - Quote
Bibosikus wrote:So Mittani thinks that "sending all his isk" to a suicidal player is some sort of recompense?
ffs - the twitter is yet another faux pas
It has never been proven that the player is suicidal.
Stop using this hilariously awful strawman. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:27:00 -
[1588] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all. No excuse it was a prepared speech and his intent was always clear... Apology or not CCP MUST perma ban Please stop trolling. You're not funny. I'm not trolling and your defence of the undefencable just proves what sort of human detrious those of Something aweful really are
Defense
What goddamn word were you going for with detroius? Detritus?
Awful
Learn to spell, troll. |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
610
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:27:00 -
[1589] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all. No excuse it was a prepared speech and his intent was always clear... Apology or not CCP MUST perma ban
You MUST be kidding.
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Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
265
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:28:00 -
[1590] - Quote
Louis deGuerre wrote:I just came from the Bioware forums which is probably the only place where sillier stuff is going on that this thread.
I don't even bother reading the BSN these days.
How goes the war? Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3446
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:28:00 -
[1591] - Quote
There's a proven way of dealing with players who send you threats of suicide.
Petition it and let the GMs handle it. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5792
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:28:00 -
[1592] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Fractal Muse wrote:While I found the comments to be reprehensible he did not say it as part of his "prepared" speech but blurted it out during the question and answer phase. He had a presetation of the mail . he just knocked that up for lulz pissed on Icelandic grog did he? Maybe you should look up the actual presentationGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Commander Bjorn Gisch
Gisch Mercenary Group
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:29:00 -
[1593] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
What he meant to say 'You're not a valued player, you're not goon. The opinions of others don't count for anything to me'
I actually find myself praying this goes to mainstream media and not only do you suffer the consequences in game, but you suffer for your actions outside of our sandbox that you have repeatedly tarnished for years.
|

Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
924
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:29:00 -
[1594] - Quote
I like how everyone is posting as though Mittens actually wanted the guy dead, when it was just a joke in bad taste.
Do you guys think comedians who step over the line to be offensive because it's funny, also deserve some legal action?
Bill Hicks spent his entire career telling anyone he didn't like to go kill themselves. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:29:00 -
[1595] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all. No excuse it was a prepared speech and his intent was always clear... Apology or not CCP MUST perma ban You MUST be kidding. Grath, he started posting yesterday. Ignore the troll. |

Vincent VanDamme
Shadowfire Enterprises Rura-Penthe
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:29:00 -
[1596] - Quote
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats.
Quoted for truth.
|

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
610
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:29:00 -
[1597] - Quote
amarrsuit wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Dear Xenuria,
The EVE community has recently voiced its opinion, where your opinion is concerned.
You got 200 votes, out of 300,000 people.
Pretty sure I speak for everybody when I tell you that nobody cares what you think.
Sincerely,
The Popular Vote. Hey Dumbass, How about taking your hammer-wielding IQ and using it to make the universe a better place by repeatedly smashing yourself in the face with said IQ. On a more positive note: CCP should simply make the Mitanni publicly apologize via video and/or resign from the CSM. Barring that, let's grab the pitchforks and torches the Goons so love and inform Sony of disgust.
You seem extremely butt battered my good friend whats wrong?
Oh wait..... you're one of those 200 votes aren't you.
|

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:29:00 -
[1598] - Quote
Commander Bjorn Gisch wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ What he meant to say 'You're not a valued player, you're not goon. The opinions of others don't count for anything to me' I actually find myself praying this goes to mainstream media and not only do you suffer the consequences in game, but you suffer for your actions outside of our sandbox that you have repeatedly tarnished for years. Correct. We do not care for you pubbies at all. |

Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:30:00 -
[1599] - Quote
The accusations made against him are serious and what CCP should do, is suspend The Mittani PENDING the outcome of the investigation. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3446
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:30:00 -
[1600] - Quote
he's resigning the chair get over yourselves "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
406
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:30:00 -
[1601] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all. No excuse it was a prepared speech and his intent was always clear... Apology or not CCP MUST perma ban You MUST be kidding.
Oh no , not at all
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3446
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:30:00 -
[1602] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:The accusations made against him are serious and what CCP should do, is suspend The Mittani PENDING the outcome of the investigation.
you should be banned too "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:31:00 -
[1603] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote: He had a presetation of the mail . he just knocked that up for lulz pissed on Icelandic grog did he?
That was an example of the mail that Goon's get.
He didn't do anything other than read the mail. He didn't editorialize it or provide a commentary at that time to suggest that the person should pursue any course of action in regards to the mail itself. He read a couple of other mails out loud as well.
It is clear that he didn't have a planned intent to encourage everyone to have this person commit suicide.
His comment to that end was during the question and answer phase. As such it was reactionary / spur of the moment and not planned as such. |

Darronis Olachenko
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:31:00 -
[1604] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Commander Bjorn Gisch wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ What he meant to say 'You're not a valued player, you're not goon. The opinions of others don't count for anything to me' I actually find myself praying this goes to mainstream media and not only do you suffer the consequences in game, but you suffer for your actions outside of our sandbox that you have repeatedly tarnished for years. Correct. We do not care for you pubbies at all.
Then why have you and your other goon friends spent hours here with your head up Mittani's ass responding to us pubbies? |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
406
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:31:00 -
[1605] - Quote
Andski wrote:he's resigning the chair get over yourselves
He should be banned and possibly indited mate
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
206
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:31:00 -
[1606] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:The accusations made against him are serious and what CCP should do, is suspend The Mittani PENDING the outcome of the investigation.
Cry more, Raiden baby. |

White Tree
the boltzmann experience Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
781
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:31:00 -
[1607] - Quote
:staredog: |

Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
422
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:31:00 -
[1608] - Quote
Commander Bjorn Gisch wrote: I actually find myself praying this goes to mainstream media and not only do you suffer the consequences in game, but you suffer for your actions outside of our sandbox that you have repeatedly tarnished for years.
You're asking your god to exploit another person's unfortunate situation in order to benefit your selfish desire to remove Mittani from CSM
Typical hypocritical religious idiots. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |

Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
43
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:32:00 -
[1609] - Quote
I support kicking mitanni of the csm. +1 |

Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
884
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:32:00 -
[1610] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:I like how everyone is posting as though Mittens actually wanted the guy dead, when it was just a joke in bad taste.
Do you guys think comedians who step over the line to be offensive because it's funny, also deserve some legal action?
Bill Hicks spent his entire career telling anyone he didn't like to go kill themselves.
It was maybe a joke to some people, but for other there's consequences.
The Wis says...
he is getting consequences now and is being harrased for no more reason that because Mittani said so. Which is against the Terms of Services of CCP... look it up. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1262
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:32:00 -
[1611] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Bibosikus wrote:So Mittani thinks that "sending all his isk" to a suicidal player is some sort of recompense?
ffs - the twitter is yet another faux pas It has never been proven that the player is suicidal. Stop using this hilariously awful strawman.
Indeed, especially since he joked about the suicide reference immediately afterward. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:33:00 -
[1612] - Quote
Darronis Olachenko wrote:Karadion wrote:Commander Bjorn Gisch wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ What he meant to say 'You're not a valued player, you're not goon. The opinions of others don't count for anything to me' I actually find myself praying this goes to mainstream media and not only do you suffer the consequences in game, but you suffer for your actions outside of our sandbox that you have repeatedly tarnished for years. Correct. We do not care for you pubbies at all. Then why have you and your other goon friends spent hours here with your head up Mittani's ass responding to us pubbies? Because we can, pubbie. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:33:00 -
[1613] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Andski wrote:he's resigning the chair get over yourselves He should be banned and possibly indited mate
Indicted
Learn to spell, troll. |

advii
Kossu and Keppana Inc.
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:33:00 -
[1614] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:I like how everyone is posting as though Mittens actually wanted the guy dead, when it was just a joke in bad taste.
Do you guys think comedians who step over the line to be offensive because it's funny, also deserve some legal action?
Bill Hicks spent his entire career telling anyone he didn't like to go kill themselves.
This is what I couldn't turn into words in my post. Thank you. |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
653
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:33:00 -
[1615] - Quote
Sometimes seeing yourself act like a out of control drunken clown shocks you back to reality. This is why I have a strict two daiquiri limit.  |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
125
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:33:00 -
[1616] - Quote
:catstare: |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
406
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:33:00 -
[1617] - Quote
Fractal Muse wrote:Professor Alphane wrote: He had a presetation of the mail . he just knocked that up for lulz pissed on Icelandic grog did he?
That was an example of the mail that Goon's get. He didn't do anything other than read the mail. He didn't editorialize it or provide a commentary at that time to suggest that the person should pursue any course of action in regards to the mail itself. He read a couple of other mails out loud as well. It is clear that he didn't have a planned intent to encourage everyone to have this person commit suicide. His comment to that end was during the question and answer phase. As such it was reactionary / spur of the moment and not planned as such.
He had prepared that slide show, he had scripted and fully intended to mock the mentaly unstable , he and his goons had al;ready made the infraction, encouraging poeple to do it AGAIN was just the icing on the cake
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
422
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:34:00 -
[1618] - Quote
Vincent VanDamme wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats. Quoted for truth.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3447
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:34:00 -
[1619] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:he is getting consequences now and is being harrased for no more reason that because Mittani said so. Which is against the Terms of Services of CCP... look it up.
No, you massive moron, he's being harassed because of YOU bringing so much attention to it. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:35:00 -
[1620] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:I like how everyone is posting as though Mittens actually wanted the guy dead, when it was just a joke in bad taste.
Do you guys think comedians who step over the line to be offensive because it's funny, also deserve some legal action?
Bill Hicks spent his entire career telling anyone he didn't like to go kill themselves. It was maybe a joke to some people, but for other there's consequences. The Wis says...he is getting consequences now and is being harrased for no more reason that because Mittani said so. Which is against the Terms of Services of CCP... look it up. Then he should be reporting those people who are doing that. No one signed an EULA or TOS when they went to fanfest. |
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:35:00 -
[1621] - Quote
Vincent VanDamme wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats. Quoted for truth.
Isvaan whiteknighting
oh the irony |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
407
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:35:00 -
[1622] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Bibosikus wrote:So Mittani thinks that "sending all his isk" to a suicidal player is some sort of recompense?
ffs - the twitter is yet another faux pas It has never been proven that the player is suicidal. Stop using this hilariously awful strawman. Indeed, especially since he joked about the suicide reference immediately afterward.
That was a long time ago the incident happened the conversation where he makes light of it ,something people often do with highly streesful things was recently..
Get your facts straight then try the same with your morals
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:35:00 -
[1623] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:The accusations made against him are serious and what CCP should do, is suspend The Mittani PENDING the outcome of the investigation.
What is to investigate? Watching the video 10 times over?
It's very simple. CCP will wait a few days until people cooled of, check if this is becoming a PR problem or not. If regular media picks it up, Mittani will have to respond one way or the other if he is smart he is planning now already. Worst outcome is that he is suspended or any some such similar. If regular media does not he can write it on his Goon CV and do a suicide gank massacre in jita (pun inteded).
So cry havoc and let loose the media. Can an event such as this pick up in regular media? Does Sony care?
Stay tuned for episode two.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
611
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:36:00 -
[1624] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:
He had prepared that slide show, he had scripted and fully intended to mock the mentaly unstable , he and his goons had al;ready made the infraction, encouraging poeple to do it AGAIN was just the icing on the cake
CCP approves all that before hand, so somebody saw his slides and presentation and was ok with it.
One of the others mocked the national anthem of every country conceivable.
Another one had pictures of actual poop in it.
All that was approved by a CCP staff member before hand.
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
174
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:36:00 -
[1625] - Quote
Manar Detri wrote: Isn't this about a csm telling people to harrass a person in an internet spaceship game in order to make him commit a suicide?:D
Idon't see how this can in any way be used for "this dude ganked me and i wanna kill maself".
It'd been great and all that if mittani went "damn, imma gonna go and find him and gank him some more". But he went and blurfed "everyone go gank him till he drops dead" so to say .
So no, if somethings done bout this ****, it sure as hell won't have an impact on ganking (remember, ganking is the point in the game).
This in of it self could be considered harassment which is a bannable offense. However generally the target of said harassment is the one that reports it NOT a third party.
BUT telling someone to do something is not the same thing as actually performing the action. Ted says "Jim go tell Scott to jump off a bridge"
Scott does it. Who is responsibile ? Well all things considered if Ted is responsibile then so is Jim.
So in short if Mitten's gets banned he won't be alone.
Should he get banned, who knows this could just be another fake show, or it could be real.
Either way it makes CSM apear to be a complete joke. Oh and the CSM itself should elect there own Chairman and in cases like this they should be making the call if he should be removed as the chairman, and CCP of course gets to decide everything else.
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Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
157
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:36:00 -
[1626] - Quote
POS repping is boring so I will continue shitposting as them modules keep cycling.
I had approximately exactly 0 opinion on Mittens and his CSM candidature/chairmanship (charismatic person is charismatic, and political drama is lol anyway) and I still don't really care about either of those things even in light of recent events. But in case his tweets aren't a massive trololol, I must say that I now have an opinion of him as an individual, and it is positive. People who make a mistake (and saying stupid **** when you have such a high profile position IS a mistake) but try to weasel out of it, pretend like it never happen, make up justification, etc. are pretty low on my list of people I can respect. Owning up to a mistake and be willing to accept the consequences, however, is exactly the opposite. It takes gumption. Now, obviously the world doesn't give two ***** about what I think, but such is my opinion anyway.
(In the event of it all being a massive troll this post is wired to self-destruct. Well, it would be given the option ) |

Daktar Jaxs
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:36:00 -
[1627] - Quote
Darronis Olachenko wrote: Then why have you and your other goon friends spent hours here with your head up Mittani's ass responding to us pubbies?
Did you not listen to Dear Leader's presentation? We Love your tears, they fuel us. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
407
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:36:00 -
[1628] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Vincent VanDamme wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.
You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.
Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats. Quoted for truth.
Sorry BS I care nothing for CCP's psuedo political circus till now
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

baltec1
880
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:36:00 -
[1629] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:I like how everyone is posting as though Mittens actually wanted the guy dead, when it was just a joke in bad taste.
Do you guys think comedians who step over the line to be offensive because it's funny, also deserve some legal action?
Bill Hicks spent his entire career telling anyone he didn't like to go kill themselves. It was maybe a joke to some people, but for other there's consequences. The Wis says...he is getting consequences now and is being harrased for no more reason that because Mittani said so. Which is against the Terms of Services of CCP... look it up.
He is getting attacked because of you idiots making him a massive target. Nobody would have remembered him at all if not for these white knight topics. |

Manar Detri
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:37:00 -
[1630] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Manar Detri wrote:
So no, if somethings done bout this ****, it sure as hell won't have an impact on ganking (remember, ganking is the point in the game).
Not just ganking, if you can't see how this gets gamed I can lay out just ONE way. Say we have a fight, you win, I get mad. I write a letter to you including my rl Email address in it talking about how sad ive been and all the terribly sloppy thoughts that go with scumbags that think like that. I wait 2 weeks, make a bunch of **** up and send it to my Email address using a VPN to mask where it came from (this won't be an FBI investigation, it'll suffer a cursory examination, and thats all it needs) and then petition you using the mails I received in your name. Those mails crafted to be mocking, supporting suicide, complete with missives to other corp members directing them to grief myself. That took 3 minutes to think up. This sets the bar for that, you can think it won't, but it will.
Yeah but then u'd have to get teh guy to say "send emails tothis guy" on a public stream or a similar thing :o encouraging others to do it. So no you fail :P (and stop being pessimistic, NO ONE WILL TOUCH MY GANKS!)
Also, email works in real world, eve mail works on ccp servers and you ain't going to mask anything there. They know everything.
In real world a cursory examination isn't all thats done, and even through vpn you'll be tracked to ur proxy which gets a legal notice to give you up.. or suffer.
Anyways, cut this **** up already, no ones interested in this thread
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:37:00 -
[1631] - Quote
But none of them were goons, you see.
Being a goon is worth all the hate in the world because, |

Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
726
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:37:00 -
[1632] - Quote
Jokingly or not, encouraging someone to do their own block is just a big no-no.
Honestly, if you get your kicks from doing something like that then i seriously doubt he should be representing such a player at that level. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
23
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:37:00 -
[1633] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Manar Detri wrote:
So no, if somethings done bout this ****, it sure as hell won't have an impact on ganking (remember, ganking is the point in the game).
Not just ganking, if you can't see how this gets gamed I can lay out just ONE way. Say we have a fight, you win, I get mad. I write a letter to you including my rl Email address in it talking about how sad ive been and all the terribly sloppy thoughts that go with scumbags that think like that. I wait 2 weeks, make a bunch of **** up and send it to my Email address using a VPN to mask where it came from (this won't be an FBI investigation, it'll suffer a cursory examination, and thats all it needs) and then petition you using the mails I received in your name. Those mails crafted to be mocking, supporting suicide, complete with missives to other corp members directing them to grief myself. That took 3 minutes to think up. This sets the bar for that, you can think it won't, but it will.
" using a VPN to mask where it came from" Lol wrong. VPN does mask your IP address my friend. You can mask it but not via VPN. Please stop talking about things you clearly have no information about. |

Nymph Purchasing
Ruvas Logistics and Maintenance Services
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:37:00 -
[1634] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Andski wrote:he's resigning the chair get over yourselves He should be banned and possibly indited mate Indicted Learn to spell, troll.
It isn't much of a troll--he did violate the EULA in a way that is supposed to result in banning and, depending on where he lives, Indictment, regardless of spelling is more realistic than you realize. I liked his leadership and hope he handles himself well now which, at this point, would indeed mean resigning.
Edited to say what I actually meant  |

Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:37:00 -
[1635] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
He had prepared that slide show, he had scripted and fully intended to mock the mentaly unstable , he and his goons had al;ready made the infraction, encouraging poeple to do it AGAIN was just the icing on the cake
CCP approves all that before hand, so somebody saw his slides and presentation and was ok with it. One of the others mocked the national anthem of every country conceivable. Another one had pictures of actual poop in it. All that was approved by a CCP staff member before hand.
no looks like ccp doesnt .. did you see the guy that just came to the stage with a USBstick ? |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
407
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:37:00 -
[1636] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
He had prepared that slide show, he had scripted and fully intended to mock the mentaly unstable , he and his goons had al;ready made the infraction, encouraging poeple to do it AGAIN was just the icing on the cake
CCP approves all that before hand, so somebody saw his slides and presentation and was ok with it. One of the others mocked the national anthem of every country conceivable. Another one had pictures of actual poop in it. All that was approved by a CCP staff member before hand.
SONY will love it bud, the press will eat it up, the old boys club has been blown out the water I'm afraid
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
33
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:38:00 -
[1637] - Quote
Andski wrote:Ammzi wrote:he is getting consequences now and is being harrased for no more reason that because Mittani said so. Which is against the Terms of Services of CCP... look it up. No, you massive moron, he's being harassed because of YOU bringing so much attention to it.
"It's the snitches fault I am in jail"
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Velios
M. Corp M. PIRE
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:38:00 -
[1638] - Quote
+1 He's an idiot and not fit for purpose.
We had a guy in M. Corp that killed himself several years ago, it's not even remotely funny to make jokes about such things. Especially as for all too many people suffering from depression and similar conditions EVE is a refuge and form of escapism. |

Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
18
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:39:00 -
[1639] - Quote
Andski wrote:Akelorian wrote:The accusations made against him are serious and what CCP should do, is suspend The Mittani PENDING the outcome of the investigation. you should be banned too
Thank you, I will print this post out and keep it close to my heart, because the love you have shown is very touching. |

Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:39:00 -
[1640] - Quote
Maybe if you morons voted as much as you gossiped he wouldnt be in the CSM. |
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
611
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:40:00 -
[1641] - Quote
Twulf wrote: " using a VPN to mask where it came from" Lol wrong. VPN does mask your IP address my friend. You can mask it but not via VPN. Please stop talking about things you clearly have no information about.
A VPN masks your IP, your IP, would be "where it came from".
Thats what I meant when I said "to mask where it came from".
Since you're so up on the lingo I just assumed you'd know thats whats meant when dealing with digital items. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
437
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:40:00 -
[1642] - Quote
Archdaimon wrote:Akelorian wrote:The accusations made against him are serious and what CCP should do, is suspend The Mittani PENDING the outcome of the investigation. What is to investigate? Watching the video 10 times over? It's very simple. CCP will wait a few days until people cooled of, check if this is becoming a PR problem or not. If regular media picks it up, Mittani will have to respond one way or the other if he is smart he is planning now already. Worst outcome is that he is suspended or any some such similar. If regular media does not he can write it on his Goon CV and do a suicide gank massacre in jita (pun inteded). So cry havoc and let loose the media. Can an event such as this pick up in regular media? Does Sony care? Stay tuned for episode two.
Knowing how our world works, he's probably going to get a prize for stirring up lots of rabble and thus selling many more subs to a wider audience. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
383
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:40:00 -
[1643] - Quote
Fact of the matter is, Mittani is a player representative. Who, outside of Test and Goons (and maybe some sheepie followers) does he actually represent?
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1262
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:41:00 -
[1644] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Bibosikus wrote:So Mittani thinks that "sending all his isk" to a suicidal player is some sort of recompense?
ffs - the twitter is yet another faux pas It has never been proven that the player is suicidal. Stop using this hilariously awful strawman. Indeed, especially since he joked about the suicide reference immediately afterward. That was a long time ago the incident happened the conversation where he makes light of it ,something people often do with highly streesful things was recently.. Get your facts straight then try the same with your morals
Oh for gods sake prof, go watch the video again and read the sentence where he made the suicide reference... read what IMMEDIATELY follows it. He jokes in a direct reference to his (at that time) recent in game deaths.
He wasn't serious then, and he certainly isn't now. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:41:00 -
[1645] - Quote
So many mad nerds still madposting. |

Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:41:00 -
[1646] - Quote
Archdaimon wrote:Akelorian wrote:The accusations made against him are serious and what CCP should do, is suspend The Mittani PENDING the outcome of the investigation. What is to investigate? Watching the video 10 times over? It's very simple. CCP will wait a few days until people cooled of, check if this is becoming a PR problem or not. If regular media picks it up, Mittani will have to respond one way or the other if he is smart he is planning now already. Worst outcome is that he is suspended or any some such similar. If regular media does not he can write it on his Goon CV and do a suicide gank massacre in jita (pun inteded). So cry havoc and let loose the media. Can an event such as this pick up in regular media? Does Sony care? Stay tuned for episode two.
With the rage in this thread and others, you'd think people would take the time to make sure the mainstream picks it up.
Profit favors the prepared |

baltec1
880
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:41:00 -
[1647] - Quote
Nymph Purchasing wrote:It isn't much of a troll--he did violate the EULA in a way that is supposed to result in banning and, depending on where he lives, Indictment, regardless of spelling is more realistic than you realize. I liked his leadership and hope he handles himself well now which, at this point, would indeed mean resigning. Edited to say what I actually meant 
No, he did not violate the eula. What he said is nothing different to what is said in crime and punishment and the countless corp and alliance forums day in day out. |

David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
206
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:41:00 -
[1648] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Manar Detri wrote:
So no, if somethings done bout this ****, it sure as hell won't have an impact on ganking (remember, ganking is the point in the game).
Not just ganking, if you can't see how this gets gamed I can lay out just ONE way. Say we have a fight, you win, I get mad. I write a letter to you including my rl Email address in it talking about how sad ive been and all the terribly sloppy thoughts that go with scumbags that think like that. I wait 2 weeks, make a bunch of **** up and send it to my Email address using a VPN to mask where it came from (this won't be an FBI investigation, it'll suffer a cursory examination, and thats all it needs) and then petition you using the mails I received in your name. Those mails crafted to be mocking, supporting suicide, complete with missives to other corp members directing them to grief myself. That took 3 minutes to think up. This sets the bar for that, you can think it won't, but it will. " using a VPN to mask where it came from" Lol wrong. VPN does mask your IP address my friend. You can mask it but not via VPN. Please stop talking about things you clearly have no information about.
You make a email account over the VPN. You send the email over the VPN.
As long the VPN provider has no logs, you're perfectly safe.
******* ******** pubbies I swear. |

Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
51
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:42:00 -
[1649] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:So many mad nerds still madposting. youre the biggest nerd here, sucker |

Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:42:00 -
[1650] - Quote
The fact that Mittani encouraged thousands of players to harass someone with mental instability is as repulsive as it is vile; he should face the consequences for his actions. The thousands of players now using it as a platform to remove him from CSM are just as vile. You're creating the same negative situation and view of this game that he did, just not in so public a manner. |
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Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
138
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:42:00 -
[1651] - Quote
I can see it now...
"DARIUS 3 FOR CSM CHAIR!!!"
Oh god... I may just kill myself |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
372
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:42:00 -
[1652] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Fact of the matter is, Mittani is a player representative. Who, outside of Test and Goons (and maybe some sheepie followers) does he actually represent?
A voting majority. :) |

Michael Turate
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:42:00 -
[1653] - Quote
FIX:-
1) Flagalation required - Mittens needs to spread em and take some stokes.
2) Public apology with plenty of media exposure, Mittens contrite.
3) CCP and Mittens announce market leading moves within Eve to monitor and prevent cyber bullying with a trained CCP employee added to the staff who is able to advise those who feel they may have been a victim.
4) CCP once again innovate within the MMO industry and get big coverage for it.
Silly joke gone wrong after alcohol - if you haven't been there then you probably haven't lived. Fix it, move on, blow stuff up. |

Darronis Olachenko
13
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:42:00 -
[1654] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:So many mad nerds still madposting.
Pot, meet kettle. |

Manar Detri
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:43:00 -
[1655] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Fact of the matter is, Mittani is a player representative. Who, outside of Test and Goons (and maybe some sheepie followers) does he actually represent?
LEVIATHANS! |

Commander Bjorn Gisch
Gisch Mercenary Group
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:43:00 -
[1656] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:I like how everyone is posting as though Mittens actually wanted the guy dead, when it was just a joke in bad taste.
Do you guys think comedians who step over the line to be offensive because it's funny, also deserve some legal action?
Bill Hicks spent his entire career telling anyone he didn't like to go kill themselves.
Legal action no, it was in terribly poor taste, but legal action takes it too far. I do wish however that he does publicly on a wide scale have to suffer for such actions, not just inside the walls of eve. If the team captain of a successful soccer team used that position to encourage every player in the league to send emails to a player trying to get them to kill themselves, it wouldn't be waved off as a joke in bad taste.
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:43:00 -
[1657] - Quote
Velios wrote:+1 He's an idiot and not fit for purpose.
We had a guy in M. Corp that killed himself several years ago, it's not even remotely funny to make jokes about such things. Especially as for all too many people suffering from depression and similar conditions EVE is a refuge and form of escapism. And? We have RoyOfCA anyways. |

Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
422
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:43:00 -
[1658] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Fact of the matter is, Mittani is a player representative. Who, outside of Test and Goons (and maybe some sheepie followers) does he actually represent? You've already answered your own question, and just shows that any other answer we provide wont change your mind.
Ignorance at work. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |

Darronis Olachenko
13
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:44:00 -
[1659] - Quote
Xython wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Fact of the matter is, Mittani is a player representative. Who, outside of Test and Goons (and maybe some sheepie followers) does he actually represent? A voting majority. :)
He won that most votes, but did not come remotely close to a majority. |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:44:00 -
[1660] - Quote
Evei Shard wrote:Archdaimon wrote:Akelorian wrote:The accusations made against him are serious and what CCP should do, is suspend The Mittani PENDING the outcome of the investigation. What is to investigate? Watching the video 10 times over? It's very simple. CCP will wait a few days until people cooled of, check if this is becoming a PR problem or not. If regular media picks it up, Mittani will have to respond one way or the other if he is smart he is planning now already. Worst outcome is that he is suspended or any some such similar. If regular media does not he can write it on his Goon CV and do a suicide gank massacre in jita (pun inteded). So cry havoc and let loose the media. Can an event such as this pick up in regular media? Does Sony care? Stay tuned for episode two. With the rage in this thread and others, you'd think people would take the time to make sure the mainstream picks it up. There seems to be about 10x more people pissed at the reaction by a bunch of cry baby whiner CSM Rejects why try to use a stupid issue to remove someone from the CSM than are actually pissed. |
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:44:00 -
[1661] - Quote
Keep posting~~~ |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
611
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:44:00 -
[1662] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote: no looks like ccp doesnt .. did you see the guy that just came to the stage with a USBstick ?
Sorry, but they do in fact review the presentations before hand, the depth of that review may be "Does it have dicks in it? No? Ok its good run it", but they review it.
Perhaps the review is the issue and not the player.
Professor Alphane wrote: SONY will love it bud, the press will eat it up, the old boys club has been blown out the water I'm afraid
So what your saying is that you hate Fanfest and Freedom?
If they're really that unhappy about it then it would likely mean the end of fanfest, since it was basically 3 days of drunken debauchery. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
585
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:45:00 -
[1663] - Quote
Raiden (Former BOB) drove RoyOfCA to kill himself. Please ban Raiden. |

Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
26
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:46:00 -
[1664] - Quote
The WIS is a Mittani ALt He even got the WIS hat at the panel in full view. The social media is unrolling exactly like the last leaked email scam that provoked the riots. MO is exactly the same, Just the names have been changed. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5795
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:46:00 -
[1665] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:no looks like ccp doesnt .. did you see the guy that just came to the stage with a USBstick ? Sorry, but they do in fact review the presentations before hand, the depth of that review may be "Does it have dicks in it? No? Ok its good run it", but they review it. GǪand the offending remark wasn't in the presentation anyway. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
24
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:46:00 -
[1666] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: " using a VPN to mask where it came from" Lol wrong. VPN does mask your IP address my friend. You can mask it but not via VPN. Please stop talking about things you clearly have no information about.
A VPN masks your IP, your IP, would be "where it came from". Thats what I meant when I said "to mask where it came from". Since you're so up on the lingo I just assumed you'd know thats whats meant when dealing with digital items.
No, VPN does nothing to mask your IP address. So I had no idea what you where trying to say because it made zero sense. VPN gives you a second IP address that gives you access to a certain network. You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN.
To do what your talking about is not that hard but it is not called VPN. |

School Nickname Worldmonkey
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:47:00 -
[1667] - Quote
Repeating call for Raiden. to be banned for their disgraceful behaviour. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
414
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:47:00 -
[1668] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Lt Pizi wrote: no looks like ccp doesnt .. did you see the guy that just came to the stage with a USBstick ?
Sorry, but they do in fact review the presentations before hand, the depth of that review may be "Does it have dicks in it? No? Ok its good run it", but they review it. Perhaps the review is the issue and not the player. Professor Alphane wrote: SONY will love it bud, the press will eat it up, the old boys club has been blown out the water I'm afraid
So what your saying is that you hate Fanfest and Freedom? If they're really that unhappy about it then it would likely mean the end of fanfest, since it was basically 3 days of drunken debauchery.
I expect CCP to take full responsability and to perma ban without appeal, tommorow my purpose shall be posting to every new agency I can find with links to the current 'gamer site ' stories and my copy of the offending tape.....
This is only the begining......
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
613
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:47:00 -
[1669] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:no looks like ccp doesnt .. did you see the guy that just came to the stage with a USBstick ? Sorry, but they do in fact review the presentations before hand, the depth of that review may be "Does it have dicks in it? No? Ok its good run it", but they review it. GǪand the offending remark wasn't in the presentation anyway.
No but the slide of the mail was
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Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
33
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:48:00 -
[1670] - Quote
What is scary is some of these basement dwellers really think this behavior is "ok" IRL; they actually belive it.
Those who are like 12 year old boys have an excuse, they are just in that phase boys go through before they "discover" girls when they want to just destroy stuff because it is fun.
The rest just really made asses of themselves. |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
526
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:48:00 -
[1671] - Quote
The Mittani, don't make fun of me, I'm going to commit suicide....
        
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
439
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:48:00 -
[1672] - Quote
Commander Bjorn Gisch wrote:
Legal action no, it was in terribly poor taste, but legal action takes it too far. I do wish however that he does publicly on a wide scale have to suffer for such actions, not just inside the walls of eve.
Think for him is worse to apologize than to get involved in legal actions. It goes straight to punt against his carefully and patiently built public face.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3447
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:49:00 -
[1673] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:I expect CCP to take full responsability and to perma ban without appeal, tommorow my purpose shall be posting to every new agency I can find with links to the current 'gamer site ' stories and my copy of the offending tape.....
This is only the begining......
The last dude who intentionally tried to screw up CCP's rep got permabanned from the game.
Look up "Mulla Nasrudin" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:49:00 -
[1674] - Quote
Just curious.
If goonies think posting with an alt is bad form, do they think voting with alts is also bad form? |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
414
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:49:00 -
[1675] - Quote
And him mocking someones Christian beliefs, that'll go down lovely in some of the more conservative states in the US I'm sure
Do you reckon he might make the TV news somewhere on a slow news day?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:49:00 -
[1676] - Quote
If Mittani is to be banned, then BoB/Raidendot should be banned.
Period. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
585
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:50:00 -
[1677] - Quote
Bootleg Jack wrote:What is scary is some of these basement dwellers really think this behavior is "ok" IRL; they actually belive it.
Those who are like 12 year old boys have an excuse, they are just in that phase boys go through before they "discover" girls when they want to just destroy stuff because it is fun.
The rest just really made asses of themselves. FYI, GoonSwarm is far more successful at careers than you sperglords. For example, Stoffer and Darius Johnson partially owe their likelihoods to GoonSwarm that got them jobs at CCP. I'm a government contractor, Mittani's a retired lawyer, RoyOfCA was an Army veteran (Before Raiden drove him to kill himself), etc. |

Shandir
Ferocious Felines
58
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:50:00 -
[1678] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: " using a VPN to mask where it came from" Lol wrong. VPN does mask your IP address my friend. You can mask it but not via VPN. Please stop talking about things you clearly have no information about.
A VPN masks your IP, your IP, would be "where it came from". Thats what I meant when I said "to mask where it came from". Since you're so up on the lingo I just assumed you'd know thats whats meant when dealing with digital items. No, VPN does nothing to mask your IP address. So I had no idea what you where trying to say because it made zero sense. VPN gives you a second IP address that gives you access to a certain network. You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. To do what your talking about is not that hard but it is not called VPN. Tippia, VPNs that don't have internet access blocked, can act as a proxy - it's a tickbox in your VPN settings. So basically, you're wrong, it can mask your IP address so that your source IP is the VPN as far as other sites are concerned. |

Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:50:00 -
[1679] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote: No but the slide of the mail was
For me the issue at the heart of this is whether or not the comments made by The Mittani after the presentation during the Question and Answer phase constituted a breach of conduct in some manner. If it did, then he should be removed from the CSM.
Is the issue for you that he read out loud a series of mails that the Goons received over the past year?
If so, why focus on one of the mail messages in particular? |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
414
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:50:00 -
[1680] - Quote
Andski wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:I expect CCP to take full responsability and to perma ban without appeal, tommorow my purpose shall be posting to every new agency I can find with links to the current 'gamer site ' stories and my copy of the offending tape.....
This is only the begining...... The last dude who intentionally tried to screw up CCP's rep got permabanned from the game. Look up "Mulla Nasrudin"
I'm not screwing with anyone, I'm excersising my right as a concerned citizen to make public these incidents.. no more no less
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
|

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1262
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:50:00 -
[1681] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Tippia wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:no looks like ccp doesnt .. did you see the guy that just came to the stage with a USBstick ? Sorry, but they do in fact review the presentations before hand, the depth of that review may be "Does it have dicks in it? No? Ok its good run it", but they review it. GǪand the offending remark wasn't in the presentation anyway. No but the slide of the mail was
... and? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5795
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:51:00 -
[1682] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪand the offending remark wasn't in the presentation anyway. No but the slide of the mail was So?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Darronis Olachenko
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:51:00 -
[1683] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:If Mittani is to be banned, then BoB/Raidendot should be banned.
Period.
Then start a new thread for us pubbies to get internetmad in. |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:51:00 -
[1684] - Quote
David Carel wrote:Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Manar Detri wrote:
So no, if somethings done bout this ****, it sure as hell won't have an impact on ganking (remember, ganking is the point in the game).
Not just ganking, if you can't see how this gets gamed I can lay out just ONE way. Say we have a fight, you win, I get mad. I write a letter to you including my rl Email address in it talking about how sad ive been and all the terribly sloppy thoughts that go with scumbags that think like that. I wait 2 weeks, make a bunch of **** up and send it to my Email address using a VPN to mask where it came from (this won't be an FBI investigation, it'll suffer a cursory examination, and thats all it needs) and then petition you using the mails I received in your name. Those mails crafted to be mocking, supporting suicide, complete with missives to other corp members directing them to grief myself. That took 3 minutes to think up. This sets the bar for that, you can think it won't, but it will. " using a VPN to mask where it came from" Lol wrong. VPN does mask your IP address my friend. You can mask it but not via VPN. Please stop talking about things you clearly have no information about. You make a email account over the VPN. You send the email over the VPN. As long the VPN provider has no logs, you're perfectly safe. ******* ******** pubbies I swear.
Do you know what VPN is? Every VPN provider has logs you moron, dear god where do you come up with this crap? VPN - Virtual private network. Used to allow users to access their corporation network via any internet connection. Also most VPNs do not mask or change your IP address, they create, wait for it, a virtual connection with its own IP address, you still have the IP address you used to access the internet, so you are not hiding anything from someone who knows what they are looking for. Again what you want to do is not hard but it is not VPN, it called bot nets. You can buy them and use them, they will hide your internet traffic.
|

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
613
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:51:00 -
[1685] - Quote
Twulf wrote: You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN.
I know a lot of home computers that think you're wrong and I'm right
|

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
585
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:51:00 -
[1686] - Quote
Darronis Olachenko wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:If Mittani is to be banned, then BoB/Raidendot should be banned.
Period. Then start a new thread for us pubbies to get internetmad in. RoyOfCA is dead, The Wis is not. |

Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:52:00 -
[1687] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:If Mittani is to be banned, then BoB/Raidendot should be banned.
Period. at least you accept the fact that this may be a banable offense
|

Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:52:00 -
[1688] - Quote
if you force the mittani to resign i'm going to kill myself
check and mate, CCP |

Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
175
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:53:00 -
[1689] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Tippia wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:no looks like ccp doesnt .. did you see the guy that just came to the stage with a USBstick ? Sorry, but they do in fact review the presentations before hand, the depth of that review may be "Does it have dicks in it? No? Ok its good run it", but they review it. GǪand the offending remark wasn't in the presentation anyway. No but the slide of the mail was There was also a slide of a ***** penetrating a wormhole earlier in the panel... surely you're not saying that CCP approved it for international broadcast, in a form likely to be viewed by 'minors'...? |

Darronis Olachenko
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:53:00 -
[1690] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Darronis Olachenko wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:If Mittani is to be banned, then BoB/Raidendot should be banned.
Period. Then start a new thread for us pubbies to get internetmad in. RoyOfCA is dead, The Wis is not.
Then I say again: start a new post stating your case like the OP did. |
|

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
414
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:54:00 -
[1691] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:if you force the mittani to resign i'm going to kill myself
check and mate, CCP
Report and most likely forum ban
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Vincent VanDamme
Shadowfire Enterprises Rura-Penthe
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:54:00 -
[1692] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all.
I dont know if this is troll or truth. If its troll, then :p
If it is true then i have to say one thing:
Alexander Gianturco: this shows class. Utter class. I don't think this is something you would need to resign for, but the willingness to make amends is classy as all hell.
I hope you reconsider. But if you don't, i hope you take this message in the spirit it's sent.
A class act.
|

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:54:00 -
[1693] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:If Mittani is to be banned, then BoB/Raidendot should be banned.
Period. at least you accept the fact that this may be a banable offense
I was drawing a hilariously bad strawman, you publord.
I know, reading comprehension is hard. It's okay.
We're all friends here. |

Kaurk Eregnar
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:54:00 -
[1694] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:What is scary is some of these basement dwellers really think this behavior is "ok" IRL; they actually belive it.
Those who are like 12 year old boys have an excuse, they are just in that phase boys go through before they "discover" girls when they want to just destroy stuff because it is fun.
The rest just really made asses of themselves. FYI, GoonSwarm is far more successful at careers than you sperglords. For example, Stoffer and Darius Johnson partially owe their likelihoods to GoonSwarm that got them jobs at CCP. I'm a government contractor, Mittani's a retired lawyer, RoyOfCA was an Army veteran (Before Raiden drove him to kill himself), etc.
Which makes it even worse. Not helping yourself. |

David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
206
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:54:00 -
[1695] - Quote
Twulf wrote:David Carel wrote:Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Manar Detri wrote:
So no, if somethings done bout this ****, it sure as hell won't have an impact on ganking (remember, ganking is the point in the game).
Not just ganking, if you can't see how this gets gamed I can lay out just ONE way. Say we have a fight, you win, I get mad. I write a letter to you including my rl Email address in it talking about how sad ive been and all the terribly sloppy thoughts that go with scumbags that think like that. I wait 2 weeks, make a bunch of **** up and send it to my Email address using a VPN to mask where it came from (this won't be an FBI investigation, it'll suffer a cursory examination, and thats all it needs) and then petition you using the mails I received in your name. Those mails crafted to be mocking, supporting suicide, complete with missives to other corp members directing them to grief myself. That took 3 minutes to think up. This sets the bar for that, you can think it won't, but it will. " using a VPN to mask where it came from" Lol wrong. VPN does mask your IP address my friend. You can mask it but not via VPN. Please stop talking about things you clearly have no information about. You make a email account over the VPN. You send the email over the VPN. As long the VPN provider has no logs, you're perfectly safe. ******* ******** pubbies I swear. Do you know what VPN is? Every VPN provider has logs you moron, dear god where do you come up with this crap? VPN - Virtual private network. Used to allow users to access their corporation network via any internet connection. Also most VPNs do not mask or change your IP address, they create, wait for it, a virtual connection with its own IP address, you still have the IP address you used to access the internet, so you are not hiding anything from someone who knows what they are looking for. Again what you want to do is not hard but it is not VPN, it called bot nets. You can buy them and use them, they will hide your internet traffic.
I know at least one provider that keeps no logs. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
589
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:55:00 -
[1696] - Quote
Darronis Olachenko wrote:Karadion wrote:Darronis Olachenko wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:If Mittani is to be banned, then BoB/Raidendot should be banned.
Period. Then start a new thread for us pubbies to get internetmad in. RoyOfCA is dead, The Wis is not. Then I say again: start a new post stating your case like the OP did. Except you guys are crying over the fact of a supposed suicide which never happened. RoyOfCA is an actual suicide victim that really did happen and he was one of us. Seems to me that you don't care for RoyOfCA when compared to The Wis, the still alive manchild. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
545
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:55:00 -
[1697] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:If Mittani is to be banned, then BoB/Raidendot should be banned.
Period. at least you accept the fact that this may be a banable offense I was drawing a hilariously bad strawman, you publord. I know, reading comprehension is hard. It's okay. We're all friends here.
Well, colloquialism to another strawman of the same caliber, I should say. |

Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:55:00 -
[1698] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Daviclond wrote:if you force the mittani to resign i'm going to kill myself
check and mate, CCP Report and most likely forum ban gg |

Rutherford Rainman
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:55:00 -
[1699] - Quote
How is this even a matter of debate? Mittani clearly violated the TOS and as a consequence should at the very least be removed from the CSM. Anyone who thinks what The Mittani did was acceptable are sadly misinformed. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
589
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:56:00 -
[1700] - Quote
Kaurk Eregnar wrote:Karadion wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:What is scary is some of these basement dwellers really think this behavior is "ok" IRL; they actually belive it.
Those who are like 12 year old boys have an excuse, they are just in that phase boys go through before they "discover" girls when they want to just destroy stuff because it is fun.
The rest just really made asses of themselves. FYI, GoonSwarm is far more successful at careers than you sperglords. For example, Stoffer and Darius Johnson partially owe their likelihoods to GoonSwarm that got them jobs at CCP. I'm a government contractor, Mittani's a retired lawyer, RoyOfCA was an Army veteran (Before Raiden drove him to kill himself), etc. Which makes it even worse. Not helping yourself. How does it make it worse? Hmm? RoyofCA is dead, The Wis is not. The Wis doesn't care about what's going on and got war decs thanks to you attention whores. |
|

Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:56:00 -
[1701] - Quote
Vincent VanDamme wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all. I dont know if this is troll or truth. If its troll, then :p If it is true then i have to say one thing: Alexander Gianturco: this shows class. Utter class. I don't think this is something you would need to resign for, but the willingness to make amends is classy as all hell. I hope you reconsider. But if you don't, i hope you take this message in the spirit it's sent. A class act.
i dont have the english phrase but in german we would say unter den blinden ist der einaugige k+¦nig |

ps3ud0nym
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
75
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:56:00 -
[1702] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: " using a VPN to mask where it came from" Lol wrong. VPN does mask your IP address my friend. You can mask it but not via VPN. Please stop talking about things you clearly have no information about.
A VPN masks your IP, your IP, would be "where it came from". Thats what I meant when I said "to mask where it came from". Since you're so up on the lingo I just assumed you'd know thats whats meant when dealing with digital items. No, VPN does nothing to mask your IP address. So I had no idea what you where trying to say because it made zero sense. VPN gives you a second IP address that gives you access to a certain network. You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. To do what your talking about is not that hard but it is not called VPN.
Are you people ******* new? You have been able to setup a personal VPN to a home computer since windows XP! Dear christ, stop talking about technical **** you have no clue about.
|

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
138
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:56:00 -
[1703] - Quote
The Mittani is Resigning, He just updated his twitter. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
416
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:56:00 -
[1704] - Quote
Vincent VanDamme wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all. I dont know if this is troll or truth. If its troll, then :p If it is true then i have to say one thing: Alexander Gianturco: this shows class. Utter class. I don't think this is something you would need to resign for, but the willingness to make amends is classy as all hell. I hope you reconsider. But if you don't, i hope you take this message in the spirit it's sent. A class act.
Lol... class ... you obviously have no idea what that is....
Lying for damage control when earlier you said '~deal with it~'
he's a snake end of , simple as
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Mors Magne
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:56:00 -
[1705] - Quote
The central issue is that major depression (contemplating suicide) is extremely serious. Mittani confused real life with a game. He encouraged his thousands of followers to push that person to suicide.
Mittani must go.
I feel compassion for the Mittani because he has made his real name and appearance public. I suspect he will have to change his real name, because if any prospective employer Googles his name, I doubt they would want to employ him.
So it is in the Mittani's best interests to leave Eve and put the whole thing behind him. |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
615
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:56:00 -
[1706] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Also most VPNs do not mask or change your IP address,they create, wait for it, a virtual connection with its own IP address, you still have the IP address you used to access the internet, so you are not hiding anything from someone who knows what they are looking for.
Man, its almost like connecting to the internet through a different IP would mask your native IP...... |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
545
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:57:00 -
[1707] - Quote
Rutherford Rainman wrote:How is this even a matter of debate? Mittani clearly violated the TOS and as a consequence should at the very least be removed from the CSM. Anyone who thinks what The Mittani did was acceptable are sadly misinformed.
How can you violate the TOS when not playing the game? |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
589
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:57:00 -
[1708] - Quote
Rutherford Rainman wrote:How is this even a matter of debate? Mittani clearly violated the TOS and as a consequence should at the very least be removed from the CSM. Anyone who thinks what The Mittani did was acceptable are sadly misinformed. He signed a TOS when he went to Fanfest? Seems you never read the TOS that CCP has for Eve Online.
Quote:You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
416
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:57:00 -
[1709] - Quote
Heimdallofasgard wrote:The Mittani is Resigning, He just updated his twitter.
Not the testicualr fortitude to post here I see. No some twitter mostly Goons read hey
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:57:00 -
[1710] - Quote
Congratulations Idiots.
In Jita people are now threatening to kill themselves if:
The Mittani is banned The Mittani is not banned People keep shooting the statue People stop shooting the statue Titans are Nerfed Titans are not nerfed Scams are posted in jita Scams are not posted in jita
|
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:57:00 -
[1711] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote: Report and most likely forum ban
Nice backseat moderating, can someone control this troll please? |

School Nickname Worldmonkey
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:58:00 -
[1712] - Quote
The double standards of these pubbies who scream for Mittani to be lynched is abhorrent. Mittens has lain himself prostrate before you and you ask for him to be banned, while those in Raiden and literally driven another player to suicide receive your undying admiration.
You pubbies are a thundering disgrace. |

David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
206
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:58:00 -
[1713] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote:Also most VPNs do not mask or change your IP address,they create, wait for it, a virtual connection with its own IP address, you still have the IP address you used to access the internet, so you are not hiding anything from someone who knows what they are looking for.
Man, its almost like connecting to the internet through a different IP would mask your native IP......
Just stop arguing with him, he's mentally challenged. |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
655
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:58:00 -
[1714] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote: i dont have the english phrase but in german we would say unter den blinden ist der einaugige k+¦nig
I don't know what that says but since it's German I'm gonna guess it has something to do with golden showers and scat. |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
615
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:59:00 -
[1715] - Quote
Karadion wrote: He signed a TOS when he went to Fanfest? Seems you never read the TOS that CCP has for Eve Online.
I bet he doesn't remember signing anything. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
416
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:59:00 -
[1716] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Rutherford Rainman wrote:How is this even a matter of debate? Mittani clearly violated the TOS and as a consequence should at the very least be removed from the CSM. Anyone who thinks what The Mittani did was acceptable are sadly misinformed. He signed a TOS when he went to Fanfest? Seems you never read the TOS that CCP has for Eve Online. Quote:You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site.
If they publish the podcast then that does apply yes as it is on there website
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Kaurk Eregnar
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:59:00 -
[1717] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Kaurk Eregnar wrote:Karadion wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:What is scary is some of these basement dwellers really think this behavior is "ok" IRL; they actually belive it.
Those who are like 12 year old boys have an excuse, they are just in that phase boys go through before they "discover" girls when they want to just destroy stuff because it is fun.
The rest just really made asses of themselves. FYI, GoonSwarm is far more successful at careers than you sperglords. For example, Stoffer and Darius Johnson partially owe their likelihoods to GoonSwarm that got them jobs at CCP. I'm a government contractor, Mittani's a retired lawyer, RoyOfCA was an Army veteran (Before Raiden drove him to kill himself), etc. Which makes it even worse. Not helping yourself. How does it make it worse? Hmm? RoyofCA is dead, The Wis is not. The Wis doesn't care about what's going on and got war decs thanks to you attention whores.
My post was nothing about what you just rambled on about. It's worse that grown men are mistaken for 12 year olds, for a reason. |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.26 23:59:00 -
[1718] - Quote
Voith wrote:Congratulations Idiots.
In Jita people are now threatening to kill themselves if:
The Mittani is banned The Mittani is not banned People keep shooting the statue People stop shooting the statue Titans are Nerfed Titans are not nerfed Scams are posted in jita Scams are not posted in jita
I will commit suicide if more people threaten to commit suicide. |

Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:00:00 -
[1719] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote: I expect CCP to take full responsability and to perma ban without appeal, tommorow my purpose shall be posting to every new agency I can find with links to the current 'gamer site ' stories and my copy of the offending tape.....
This is only the begining......
Whether his actions were good or bad doesn't matter at this point. Someone with the right media connections could pretty much gank CCP. The media does not care for complete accuracy in headlines. And they tend to push sensationalism in the first few paragraphs of stories, and then detail the facts as you read further in. Most people won't even think to dig for further details outside of what is presented to them in the news. Phrases like "Cyber bullying" have been thrown around in the past in association of suicides that *did* take place. Are people who fall for that sort of media engineering stupid? Maybe so, but the fact remains that this sort of thing could get blown way out of proportion, and misconstrued in a way that would cause a lot of trouble for CCP.
For all the talk about Sony, it should be noted that Sony has put money into preventing cyber bullying
Bad PR for Sony.
Unlikely all this will go anywhere, but the potential is delicious.
Profit favors the prepared |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
589
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:00:00 -
[1720] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Karadion wrote: He signed a TOS when he went to Fanfest? Seems you never read the TOS that CCP has for Eve Online.
I bet he doesn't remember signing anything. Who did at Fanfest anyways? Pretty sure everyone there was shitfaced. |
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Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:00:00 -
[1721] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. I know a lot of home computers that think you're wrong and I'm right
Do you know what VPN is?
A home computer that is not on a network, cannot be logged into via VPN, as how is it going to answer the VPN request and assign it an IP address?
VPN = A virtual private network (VPN) is a network that uses primarily public telecommunication infrastructures, such as the Internet, to provide remote offices or traveling users an access to a central organizational network.
Please explain how most Home PCs have a "central organizational network" again?
VPN is the wrong term. What you want is called a bot net, or ghosting IP's or even something as simple as setting up the DNS in your router for an hour and then turning them off again to change your IP. I can explain how those work if you wish. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
416
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:00:00 -
[1722] - Quote
Voith wrote:Congratulations Idiots.
In Jita people are now threatening to kill themselves if:
The Mittani is banned The Mittani is not banned People keep shooting the statue People stop shooting the statue Titans are Nerfed Titans are not nerfed Scams are posted in jita Scams are not posted in jita
Oh yes thats all our fault , nothing to do with the Mittani at all 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5796
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:00:00 -
[1723] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:i dont have the english phrase but in german we would say unter den blinden ist der einaugige k+¦nig It's pretty much the same in English: in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

School Nickname Worldmonkey
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:01:00 -
[1724] - Quote
School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:The double standards of these pubbies who scream for Mittani to be lynched is abhorrent. Mittens has lain himself prostrate before you and you ask for him to be banned, while those in Raiden who have literally driven another player to suicide receive your undying admiration.
You pubbies are a thundering disgrace.
|

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
33
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:01:00 -
[1725] - Quote
Voith wrote:Congratulations Idiots.
In Jita people are now threatening to kill themselves if:
The Mittani is banned The Mittani is not banned People keep shooting the statue People stop shooting the statue Titans are Nerfed Titans are not nerfed Scams are posted in jita Scams are not posted in jita
Best post so far |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1262
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:01:00 -
[1726] - Quote
Voith wrote:Congratulations Idiots.
In Jita people are now threatening to kill themselves if:
The Mittani is banned The Mittani is not banned People keep shooting the statue People stop shooting the statue Titans are Nerfed Titans are not nerfed Scams are posted in jita Scams are not posted in jita
   Business as usual I see. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Darronis Olachenko
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:02:00 -
[1727] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Darronis Olachenko wrote:Karadion wrote:Darronis Olachenko wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:If Mittani is to be banned, then BoB/Raidendot should be banned.
Period. Then start a new thread for us pubbies to get internetmad in. RoyOfCA is dead, The Wis is not. Then I say again: start a new post stating your case like the OP did. Except you guys are crying over the fact of a supposed suicide which never happened. RoyOfCA is an actual suicide victim that really did happen and he was one of us. Seems to me that you don't care for RoyOfCA when compared to The Wis, the still alive manchild.
Except that I'm not "crying" over a suicide that I know didn't happen.
If what you say is true (and I don't doubt that it is), then I would agree that what happened is ******, and perhaps you all should have tried to get the offending member/members banned. So like I said, if you truly do care that much, start a thread like this one and cash in on the mad pubbie hatred we can't spew enough of. |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:02:00 -
[1728] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote:Also most VPNs do not mask or change your IP address,they create, wait for it, a virtual connection with its own IP address, you still have the IP address you used to access the internet, so you are not hiding anything from someone who knows what they are looking for.
Man, its almost like connecting to the internet through a different IP would mask your native IP......
It does not mask it. It has two different adapters active. One has your native IP and one has your VPN IP. both are there. they are not hidden. What do you not get?
If you know what your looking for, there is only a few ways to truly mask your IP and VPN is not one of them.
|

Karoline Kane
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:03:00 -
[1729] - Quote
School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:The double standards of these pubbies who scream for Mittani to be lynched is abhorrent. Mittens has lain himself prostrate before you and you ask for him to be banned, while those in Raiden and literally driven another player to suicide receive your undying admiration.
You pubbies are a thundering disgrace.
Most pubbies posting on this threads are the equivalent of glen beck fans
they will not give any atention to the dead guy, but create a shitstorm for alive and not giving a **** one just becouse it works with their personal agenda |

baltec1
883
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:03:00 -
[1730] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Oh yes thats all our fault , nothing to do with the Mittani at all 
It would have been forgotten about if it wasnt for you white knights. So yea, this is your doing. |
|

David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
206
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:03:00 -
[1731] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. I know a lot of home computers that think you're wrong and I'm right Do you know what VPN is? A home computer that is not on a network, cannot be logged into via VPN, as how is it going to answer the VPN request and assign it an IP address? VPN = A virtual private network (VPN) is a network that uses primarily public telecommunication infrastructures, such as the Internet, to provide remote offices or traveling users an access to a central organizational network. Please explain how most Home PCs have a "central organizational network" again? VPN is the wrong term. What you want is called a bot net, or ghosting IP's or even something as simple as setting up the DNS in your router for an hour and then turning them off again to change your IP. I can explain how those work if you wish.
Shut the **** up |

Vincent VanDamme
Shadowfire Enterprises Rura-Penthe
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:05:00 -
[1732] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:
Lol... class ... you obviously have no idea what that is....
Lying for damage control when earlier you said '~deal with it~'
he's a snake end of , simple as
I am aware of the difference between "The Mittanni"and the person behind the Toon.
Class is realsiing you have done wrong and are willing to make amends.
I have no clue what you are meaning by "Damage control". Seems a little weird.
You are taking this a little too personally. Are you okay? Im not sure if this is part of the RP you did on another thread (Amarr thing?)
|

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
390
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:05:00 -
[1733] - Quote
School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:The double standards of these pubbies who scream for Mittani to be lynched is abhorrent. Mittens has lain himself prostrate before you and you ask for him to be banned, while those in Raiden and literally driven another player to suicide receive your undying admiration.
You pubbies are a thundering disgrace.
You can talk all the **** you want but your alliance leader has publicly disgraced himself, as have many of your members. Diversion is a sad tactic. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Nymph Purchasing
Ruvas Logistics and Maintenance Services
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:06:00 -
[1734] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Voith wrote:Congratulations Idiots.
In Jita people are now threatening to kill themselves if:
The Mittani is banned The Mittani is not banned People keep shooting the statue People stop shooting the statue Titans are Nerfed Titans are not nerfed Scams are posted in jita Scams are not posted in jita
I will commit suicide if more people threaten to commit suicide.
Indeed they are...ugh!
I hope everyone also realizes this is in no way the same as publicly encouraging the player base to harass someone. (I saw a few posts suggesting that will be the new metagame.) |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:06:00 -
[1735] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Voith wrote:Congratulations Idiots.
In Jita people are now threatening to kill themselves if:
The Mittani is banned The Mittani is not banned People keep shooting the statue People stop shooting the statue Titans are Nerfed Titans are not nerfed Scams are posted in jita Scams are not posted in jita
I will commit suicide if more people threaten to commit suicide. I will commit suicide if more people do not threaten to commit suicide.
|

Ceptia Cyna
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:06:00 -
[1736] - Quote
He's a lawyer in real life right?
Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name.
I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy. 
Now this idea sounds fun don't you think? |

Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
730
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:06:00 -
[1737] - Quote
David Carel wrote:Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. I know a lot of home computers that think you're wrong and I'm right Do you know what VPN is? A home computer that is not on a network, cannot be logged into via VPN, as how is it going to answer the VPN request and assign it an IP address? VPN = A virtual private network (VPN) is a network that uses primarily public telecommunication infrastructures, such as the Internet, to provide remote offices or traveling users an access to a central organizational network. Please explain how most Home PCs have a "central organizational network" again? VPN is the wrong term. What you want is called a bot net, or ghosting IP's or even something as simple as setting up the DNS in your router for an hour and then turning them off again to change your IP. I can explain how those work if you wish. Shut the **** up
I love it how you and goons think swearing and written insults are actual insults here lol The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
69
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:06:00 -
[1738] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. I know a lot of home computers that think you're wrong and I'm right Do you know what VPN is? A home computer that is not on a network, cannot be logged into via VPN, as how is it going to answer the VPN request and assign it an IP address? VPN = A virtual private network (VPN) is a network that uses primarily public telecommunication infrastructures, such as the Internet, to provide remote offices or traveling users an access to a central organizational network. Please explain how most Home PCs have a "central organizational network" again? VPN is the wrong term. What you want is called a bot net, or ghosting IP's or even something as simple as setting up the DNS in your router for an hour and then turning them off again to change your IP. I can explain how those work if you wish.
Hi. I work for a major US ISP. I help people connect to VPNs through their PCs at home all the time. You're an idiot. |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:07:00 -
[1739] - Quote
Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think? Cyber bullying usually only protects people under the age of 18.
Past that you're expected to suck it up and move on. |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
124
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:07:00 -
[1740] - Quote
Lesson here is to report to the relevant authorities and permaban anyone who talks about killing themselves through ccp owned mediums.
Problem solved. |
|

Sirinda
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
44
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:07:00 -
[1741] - Quote
Jada Maroo wrote:Lt Pizi wrote: i dont have the english phrase but in german we would say unter den blinden ist der einaugige k+¦nig
I don't know what that says but since it's German I'm gonna guess it has something to do with golden showers and scat.
Among the blind, the one-eyed is king. |

Sasha Khaine
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:08:00 -
[1742] - Quote
meanwhile on Amazon, popcorn sales have risen by 3000%
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3449
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:08:00 -
[1743] - Quote
Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think?
I doubt he'd care about being debarred if he's retired. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:08:00 -
[1744] - Quote
David Carel wrote:Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. I know a lot of home computers that think you're wrong and I'm right Do you know what VPN is? A home computer that is not on a network, cannot be logged into via VPN, as how is it going to answer the VPN request and assign it an IP address? VPN = A virtual private network (VPN) is a network that uses primarily public telecommunication infrastructures, such as the Internet, to provide remote offices or traveling users an access to a central organizational network. Please explain how most Home PCs have a "central organizational network" again? VPN is the wrong term. What you want is called a bot net, or ghosting IP's or even something as simple as setting up the DNS in your router for an hour and then turning them off again to change your IP. I can explain how those work if you wish. Shut the **** up
Why, your small brain cannot handle correct information. Oh your a goon, dear leader must not be around to explain the big words to you. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
589
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:09:00 -
[1745] - Quote
Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think? So you would destroy the livelihood of any person going against your agenda of banning the GoonSwarm Federation? Nice to see you have really fuckinglow standards. Guess what, I hope you eatadick. |

DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:09:00 -
[1746] - Quote
The presentation was allright, reading up mails you got is fine.
but the part in the QA was bad, ccp don't have the balls to do the right thing though. even though there EULA is pretty clear,
i don't give a rats ass if hes banned or not, or if hes resigned from CSM. but i like the drama :D |

Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
43
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:09:00 -
[1747] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:Lesson here is to report to the relevant authorities and permaban anyone who talks about killing themselves through ccp owned mediums.
Problem solved. I agree. This is the only method to ensure safety for the ill. Also if CCP doesn't implement this policy, I will kill myself over it. |

Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:09:00 -
[1748] - Quote
Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think?
I'm so outraged at this real life harrassment of a player that I'm going to harrass the harrasser in real life
you pubbie filth |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1079
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:10:00 -
[1749] - Quote
Resigning as chair really is an empty gesture and shouldnt be taken as a sign of contrition. CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |

School Nickname Worldmonkey
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:10:00 -
[1750] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:The double standards of these pubbies who scream for Mittani to be lynched is abhorrent. Mittens has lain himself prostrate before you and you ask for him to be banned, while those in Raiden and literally driven another player to suicide receive your undying admiration.
You pubbies are a thundering disgrace. You can talk all the **** you want but your alliance leader has publicly disgraced himself, as have many of your members. Diversion is a sad tactic.
At least he has manned up and taken responsibility for his actions, something that Raiden. and pubbies will never ever do. We take our losses and don't cry about it. |
|

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1262
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:10:00 -
[1751] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:Lesson here is to report to the relevant authorities and permaban anyone who talks about killing themselves through ccp owned mediums.
Problem solved.
I'm not sure that sending thousands of tear stained rage EVE mails to CCP is the answer. We might want to restrict it to the ones that don't joke about it in the following sentence. 
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:10:00 -
[1752] - Quote
Twulf wrote:David Carel wrote:Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. I know a lot of home computers that think you're wrong and I'm right Do you know what VPN is? A home computer that is not on a network, cannot be logged into via VPN, as how is it going to answer the VPN request and assign it an IP address? VPN = A virtual private network (VPN) is a network that uses primarily public telecommunication infrastructures, such as the Internet, to provide remote offices or traveling users an access to a central organizational network. Please explain how most Home PCs have a "central organizational network" again? VPN is the wrong term. What you want is called a bot net, or ghosting IP's or even something as simple as setting up the DNS in your router for an hour and then turning them off again to change your IP. I can explain how those work if you wish. Shut the **** up Why, your small brain cannot handle correct information. Oh your a goon, dear leader must not be around to explain the big words to you. A VPN masks your IP.
https://www.privatetunnel.com/
Look what the second ******* link on google is. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
416
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:11:00 -
[1753] - Quote
Sirinda wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:Lt Pizi wrote: i dont have the english phrase but in german we would say unter den blinden ist der einaugige k+¦nig
I don't know what that says but since it's German I'm gonna guess it has something to do with golden showers and scat. Among the blind, the one-eyed is king.
Theres a fascinating HG wells short story called the valley of the blind I think, makes for an interesting twist on that phrase
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:11:00 -
[1754] - Quote
Jonathan Malcom wrote:Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. I know a lot of home computers that think you're wrong and I'm right Do you know what VPN is? A home computer that is not on a network, cannot be logged into via VPN, as how is it going to answer the VPN request and assign it an IP address? VPN = A virtual private network (VPN) is a network that uses primarily public telecommunication infrastructures, such as the Internet, to provide remote offices or traveling users an access to a central organizational network. Please explain how most Home PCs have a "central organizational network" again? VPN is the wrong term. What you want is called a bot net, or ghosting IP's or even something as simple as setting up the DNS in your router for an hour and then turning them off again to change your IP. I can explain how those work if you wish. Hi. I work for a major US ISP. I help people connect to VPNs through their PCs at home all the time. You're an idiot.
Hi. I am a Network Admin for IBM. I do this everyday.
If what you say was correct, then you know that VPN creates another adapter, you have your Internet connection and your VPN adapter now. Both have an IP address, one creates a tunnel to their network, the other gives them access tot he outside world. End of story. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3449
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:11:00 -
[1755] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Resigning as chair really is an empty gesture and shouldnt be taken as a sign of contrition.
Anything said by Darius III should be rightly construed as a troll.
Try attending a summit instead of going fishing m8 "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Ceptia Cyna
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:12:00 -
[1756] - Quote
Voith wrote:Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think? Cyber bullying usually only protects people under the age of 18. Past that you're expected to suck it up and move on.
No it doesn't. Search for: Ravi & Tyler Clementi
Also this involved a hatecrime due to harresment of sexuality it does somehow stand out. New Jersey even changed the law with regards to buylling! |

Savannah Zateki
CASCADE OF SPECTRES Comic Mischief
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:12:00 -
[1757] - Quote
Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think?
THIS!! |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
545
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:12:00 -
[1758] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Resigning as chair really is an empty gesture and shouldnt be taken as a sign of contrition.
He should instead leak NDA protected items to Riverini, right? |

Vincent VanDamme
Shadowfire Enterprises Rura-Penthe
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:13:00 -
[1759] - Quote
Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think?
No.
That is actually callous to the point of being sadistic.
Did this thought give you some pleasure at all?
The milisecond you start thinking about going at people IRL about this, that's the second you need to take a walk away from the game.
Do not threaten peoples Jobs over a game. That is uncool.
There are lines you really shouldn't be crossing. And ways you can register your displeasure of the situation. That isnt one of them. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
416
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:13:00 -
[1760] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think? I'm so outraged at this real life harrassment of a player that I'm going to harrass the harrasser in real life you pubbie filth
The call of the underground everywhere...
Tell the authorities and you will be blamed
You idiots are laughable
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3449
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:13:00 -
[1761] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Hi. I am a Network Admin for IBM. I do this everyday.
If what you say was correct, then you know that VPN creates another adapter, you have your Internet connection and your VPN adapter now. Both have an IP address, one creates a tunnel to their network, the other gives them access tot he outside world. End of story.
you're clueless stop posting "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:13:00 -
[1762] - Quote
You work for IBM? No wonder I get half my consulting business unfucking Big Blues rabid turds.
|

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
526
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:13:00 -
[1763] - Quote
If Mittani had drunkenly appealed that everyone in the room should go start botting and hacking everyones account, what would the reaction be? Probably nothing.
Just because this guy "claimed" to be suicidal in a letter to Goons means nothing.
Harassment is a EULA violation, and anyone who goes through with what anyone recommends would deal with CCP on an individual level. There's plenty of "mores" that get stepped on by anyone, and specifically Goonz.
Goonz have the most offensive and ridiculous culture even conceivable on the internet. What else do you expect? Dictating standards of conduct is one thing, telling someone what they can or can not say borders on requiring contractual agreements.
I like the usage of the phrase "Cyber-Bullying' here as a buzz word.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |

Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
23
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:13:00 -
[1764] - Quote
Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think?
Please don't.
This is a mans career we are talking about.
Don't be so mean-spirited to **** with a mans career. |

Darronis Olachenko
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
[1765] - Quote
Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think?
Because this isn't hypocrisy. Not at all.
|

David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
206
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
[1766] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Jonathan Malcom wrote:Twulf wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Twulf wrote: You cannot use VPN on most home computers as most home computers are not setup to be logged into via VPN. I know a lot of home computers that think you're wrong and I'm right Do you know what VPN is? A home computer that is not on a network, cannot be logged into via VPN, as how is it going to answer the VPN request and assign it an IP address? VPN = A virtual private network (VPN) is a network that uses primarily public telecommunication infrastructures, such as the Internet, to provide remote offices or traveling users an access to a central organizational network. Please explain how most Home PCs have a "central organizational network" again? VPN is the wrong term. What you want is called a bot net, or ghosting IP's or even something as simple as setting up the DNS in your router for an hour and then turning them off again to change your IP. I can explain how those work if you wish. Hi. I work for a major US ISP. I help people connect to VPNs through their PCs at home all the time. You're an idiot. Hi. I am a Network Admin for IBM. I do this everyday. If what you say was correct, then you know that VPN creates another adapter, you have your Internet connection and your VPN adapter now. Both have an IP address, one creates a tunnel to their network, the other gives them access tot he outside world. End of story. Yes, and now your routes are configured in a way that all internet traffic travels across the VPN.
To a remote location.
Ideally to a provider that does not keep logs.
Who in turn routes the traffic to it's destination.
And blam, you're anonymous.
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Li Malak
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
[1767] - Quote
~10,058~ Deal with it.
The voters have spoken, and they love The Mittani. |

Savannah Zateki
CASCADE OF SPECTRES Comic Mischief
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
[1768] - Quote
Vincent VanDamme wrote:Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think? No. That is actually callous to the point of being sadistic. Did this thought give you some pleasure at all? The milisecond you start thinking about going at people IRL about this, that's the second you need to take a walk away from the game. Do not threaten peoples Jobs over a game. That is uncool. There are lines you really shouldn't be crossing. And ways you can register your displeasure of the situation. That isnt one of them.
But it's totally cool to threaten people's lives, right? Because that's what Mittens encouraged. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
416
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
[1769] - Quote
Vincent VanDamme wrote:Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think? No. That is actually callous to the point of being sadistic. Did this thought give you some pleasure at all? The milisecond you start thinking about going at people IRL about this, that's the second you need to take a walk away from the game. Do not threaten peoples Jobs over a game. That is uncool. There are lines you really shouldn't be crossing. And ways you can register your displeasure of the situation. That isnt one of them.
No it is social responability
perhaps you should find that dictionary and look both those words up, you seem to have forgotten what they mean
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Tenga Halaris
Exit Strategies
23
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
[1770] - Quote
Some people should try to figure out what the difference between an avatar in a computer game and a person in reality is. He made a bad joke about an avatar, a fictional figure, in a game.
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Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
[1771] - Quote
Ceptia Cyna wrote:Voith wrote:Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think? Cyber bullying usually only protects people under the age of 18. Past that you're expected to suck it up and move on. No it doesn't. Search for: Ravi & Tyler Clementi Also this involved a hatecrime due to harresment of sexuality it does somehow stand out. New Jersey even changed the law with regards to bullying! Key word: Hate Crime
"Just lost internet space ship" isn't a "protected class" in America. |

Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
730
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
[1772] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Resigning as chair really is an empty gesture and shouldnt be taken as a sign of contrition.
It is similar in some ways to what Helcity did when Incarnia was released, threatened harm to a CCP employee.
Stuff like this (mass sending of email to someone to kill themself) can have consequences just as real too.
CCP should be totally impartial about this and let due process take its course. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
589
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:15:00 -
[1773] - Quote
Ceptia Cyna wrote:Voith wrote:Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think? Cyber bullying usually only protects people under the age of 18. Past that you're expected to suck it up and move on. No it doesn't. Search for: Ravi & Tyler Clementi Also this involved a hatecrime due to harresment of sexuality it does somehow stand out. New Jersey even changed the law with regards to bullying! You are using public available information to harass someone and that is bannable. I've already reported you and I hope you get permabanned from this game.
The Wis is still The Wis and we have no idea who he is but it does not qualify anywhere close to what you are advocating. |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
124
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:15:00 -
[1774] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:I'm not sure that sending thousands of tear stained rage EVE mails to CCP is the answer. We might want to restrict it to the ones that don't joke about it in the following sentence. 
I mean as a matter of permanent policy. The people who are joking about it are highlighting the farce that is threatening to kill yourself over a video game.
If we are really genuinely concerned about people with suicidal tendencies harming themselves over Eve, then they should be reported to the relevant authorities and banned from the game that is apparently causing them such anguish. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
545
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:15:00 -
[1775] - Quote
https://t.co/qvl5APgI
Mittens posted his apology here. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
416
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:15:00 -
[1776] - Quote
Darronis Olachenko wrote:Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think? Because this isn't hypocrisy. Not at all.
No... this is reporting to a legitamate authority
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
730
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:16:00 -
[1777] - Quote
Li Malak wrote:~10,058~ Deal with it.
The voters have spoken, and they love The Mittani.
The Mittani has spoken, and he hates The Voters. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Darronis Olachenko
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:16:00 -
[1778] - Quote
Li Malak wrote:~10,058~ Deal with it.
One-sixth of the voters and their alts have spoken, and they love The Mittani.
ftfy |

Sticky Hamster
Nova-Tek
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:17:00 -
[1779] - Quote
"I'm not sure why you are defending a manchild who got divorced over his addiction to Eve Online through the usage of his 22 accounts. That idiot brought up that he might off himself. Mittani never solicited him to do it in the first place. You're acting that using suicide to get their way is a perfectly acceptable method when it's not. ALl I see here are crybabies looking for an excuse, anything, to get the goons banned from the game. I've scammed at least 80 miners during the mining interdiction and at least 4 of them have threatened to kill themselves if I don't give back their isk. It's not my damn problem that they are willing to try and use it as a bargaining chip. If anything, threatening suicide in this game should be an instant permaban. "
There are drama queens online constantly throwing that threat that they will kill themself around in MMO's.
It has been going on all the way back to DikuMuds on the Telnet many years ago.
Scenario:
You (the playerkiller) kill their character.
They convo you and drop a variation of the phrase, "I'm thinking of killing myself."
THE PERSON THREATENING THIS IS A CLASSIC GRIEFER TRYING TO BAIT YOU INTO GETTING YOURSELF INTO TROUBLE, they are simply trying to get you to violate ingame policy since you defeated them.
Your best reaction at this time is to report them to whatever authority the game has to cover your own backside.
Then you should deny the attention ***** what they want most. Attention. Add them to ignore or block them or whatever you do in the game to never read one more character of text that character ever attempts to send to you.
Time will go on and eventually the griefer player will get bored with the game and go be a griefer in another game.
Sticky Hamster
p.s. I STRONGLY agree that if a player threatens suicide the ingame authorities immediately permaban the account. Furthermore I would recommend the game company notify local law enforcement that the person threatened to commit suicide to protect themself from any legal blowback in case the person actually attempts and/or succeeds at suicide. |

Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:17:00 -
[1780] - Quote
I love how people think it is morally wrong to bully someone's internet character (I think it is)
BUT they have no moral problem trying to get someone fired from there REAL LIFE job for bullying someones INTERNET CHARACTER
jesus christ |
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ed jeni
SKULLDOGS RED.OverLord
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:17:00 -
[1781] - Quote
if mittani resigns then i am assuming all his felching goonie cohorts that were backing him 100% will likewise apologize for worshiping a false idol.
whats that, your all still supporting him ? troll lol loll |

Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
731
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
[1782] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:https://t.co/qvl5APgI
Mittens posted his apology here.
Reminds me of a situation i read recently, where at a work function, a boss was so drunk, he hugged his PA at the end of the night and said to her he would like to **** her.
Being drunk is NOT an excuse The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
[1783] - Quote
In the words of Dennis Leary - Life Sucks wear a helmet.
Human beings make me sick, everyone is such a p*ssy, I generally can't stand people anymore. Boo hoo... I got scammed in eve and therefore my life sucks. Christ you knowing played a game this is literally about griefing other people...
What this planet needs - Dariwin Theory of Evolution re-introduced for the human race....
If the guy is dead .... can I haz his stuffz? |

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
96
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
[1784] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Resigning as chair really is an empty gesture and shouldnt be taken as a sign of contrition. Sorry Darius but statements like this aren't adequate from a CSM member atm ;). It's not the topic to catch personal profit.
Sueziding is to ... real (?) ... and making jokes of it (from not comercial comedians) is not realy funny.
1) Mittens should open a topic with "Guys, I made a BIG mistake" which should be locked and pined by CCP.
2) CCP should discuss it INTERNAL (but tell us they do it)
3) CSM should discuss it INTERNAL (but tell us they do it)
4) CCP and CSM should discuss it together (but tell us they do it)
5) make results public
.. ... ....
10) time to use it for profit or not ;) Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
[1785] - Quote
Shade Severii wrote:I love how people think it is morally wrong to bully someone's internet character (I think it is)
BUT they have no moral problem trying to get someone fired from there REAL LIFE job for bullying someones INTERNET CHARACTER
jesus christ Because this has **** all to do with Bullying and everything to do with CSM rejects and Titan pilots smelling blood in the water. |

Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
284
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
[1786] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Vincent VanDamme wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/Themittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Sadly, due to my failings, I was so drunk at the time that I didn't remember what I said until I saw this article. Shameful.
However, being drunk was no excuse - I got myself there, after all. I dont know if this is troll or truth. If its troll, then :p If it is true then i have to say one thing: Alexander Gianturco: this shows class. Utter class. I don't think this is something you would need to resign for, but the willingness to make amends is classy as all hell. I hope you reconsider. But if you don't, i hope you take this message in the spirit it's sent. A class act. i dont have the english phrase but in german we would say unter den blinden ist der einaugige k+¦nig
In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
I used to be ambivalent to the Mittani's attitude and antics before this, now I'd rather not havie someone who is so incapable of consideration for others when grandstanding to an audience as my representative.
WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
207
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
[1787] - Quote
Once again, I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things. |

Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
591
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
[1788] - Quote
Sticky Hamster wrote:"I'm not sure why you are defending a manchild who got divorced over his addiction to Eve Online through the usage of his 22 accounts. That idiot brought up that he might off himself. Mittani never solicited him to do it in the first place. You're acting that using suicide to get their way is a perfectly acceptable method when it's not. ALl I see here are crybabies looking for an excuse, anything, to get the goons banned from the game. I've scammed at least 80 miners during the mining interdiction and at least 4 of them have threatened to kill themselves if I don't give back their isk. It's not my damn problem that they are willing to try and use it as a bargaining chip. If anything, threatening suicide in this game should be an instant permaban. "
There are drama queens online constantly throwing that threat that they will kill themself around in MMO's.
It has been going on all the way back to DikuMuds on the Telnet many years ago.
Scenario:
You (the playerkiller) kill their character.
They convo you and drop a variation of the phrase, "I'm thinking of killing myself."
THE PERSON THREATENING THIS IS A CLASSIC GRIEFER TRYING TO BAIT YOU INTO GETTING YOURSELF INTO TROUBLE, they are simply trying to get you to violate ingame policy since you defeated them.
Your best reaction at this time is to report them to whatever authority the game has to cover your own backside.
Then you should deny the attention ***** what they want most. Attention. Add them to ignore or block them or whatever you do in the game to never read one more character of text that character ever attempts to send to you.
Time will go on and eventually the griefer player will get bored with the game and go be a griefer in another game.
Or I can just ignore them and move on. I'm not responsible for getting them help. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
551
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
[1789] - Quote
Headerman wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:https://t.co/qvl5APgI
Mittens posted his apology here. Reminds me of a situation i read recently, where at a work function, a boss was so drunk, he hugged his PA at the end of the night and said to her he would like to **** her. Being drunk is NOT an excuse
He admits that it's not an excuse, hence the public apology plus other actions he intends to perform. |

Li Malak
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[1790] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Li Malak wrote:~10,058~ Deal with it.
The voters have spoken, and they love The Mittani. The Mittani has spoken, and he hates The Voters.
Everyone hates the voters. |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
416
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[1791] - Quote
People must realise actions in this supposed 'fantasy' space still carry the same consequnces as RL
If this had happened in a school between the football team and the computer club the same things would apply..
Why should we NOT report to the authorities
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[1792] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:Once again, I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things. CSM: More Serious than people who actually have armies and can ******* KILL THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE |

Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:21:00 -
[1793] - Quote
A VPN masks your IP.
https://www.privatetunnel.com/
Look what the second ******* link on google is.[/quote]
Lol, We know not to believe everything we read on the internet and on marketing correct? I guess not.
Norton Anti Virus also claims to stop virus, spyware and spam email.
You can mask your IP but using VPN to do so is not even close to the best or smartest option. An expert wanting to track an email would have no issues doing so if you used VPN to mask your traffic. You act like hackers smarter then both of us don't get caught all the time and they mask their IPs via BOT NETs.
Please stop this nonsense. You clearly do not know what your talking about.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1262
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:21:00 -
[1794] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I'm not sure that sending thousands of tear stained rage EVE mails to CCP is the answer. We might want to restrict it to the ones that don't joke about it in the following sentence.  I mean as a matter of permanent policy. The people who are joking about it are highlighting the farce that is threatening to kill yourself over a video game. If we are really genuinely concerned about people with suicidal tendencies harming themselves over Eve, then they should be reported to the relevant authorities and banned from the game that is apparently causing them such anguish.
I fully agree. As long as we are clear that your point really doesn't pertain to this particular situation.
As a general rule though, yes. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:21:00 -
[1795] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:People must realise actions in this supposed 'fantasy' space still carry the same consequnces as RL
If this had happened in a school between the football team and the computer club the same things would apply..
Why should we NOT report to the authorities If you post in this thread again I will consider it harassment and report you to the authorities. Including but not limited to: Your family Your neighborhood Your employer Your local law enforcement |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
416
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:22:00 -
[1796] - Quote
Voith wrote:Shade Severii wrote:I love how people think it is morally wrong to bully someone's internet character (I think it is)
BUT they have no moral problem trying to get someone fired from there REAL LIFE job for bullying someones INTERNET CHARACTER
jesus christ Because this has **** all to do with Bullying and everything to do with CSM rejects and Titan pilots smelling blood in the water.
I'm a carebear through and through mate
LIFE is more important than your DAMNED PEW PEW
GET IT
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Astro Jones
AJ Corp
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:22:00 -
[1797] - Quote
Most real corporations have zero tolerance for this sort of bad publicity, It will be interesting to see what happens. But then again when they actively promote grief you should expect this sort of stuff. Personally i feel it went way way to far, you do not ever encourage someone to do something like that. Most of us are adults and know better. EVE has potential but they need to learn that catering to degenerate behaviour is detrimental to being in business. For every hard core pyp'er out there, there is at least 10 people that do not care for that type of game play. In the end, I think EVE has to share part of the blame. |

Valearx
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:22:00 -
[1798] - Quote
Confirming that internet spaceships are in fact incredibly ******* serious and the next time I lose several pixellated harvesters mindlessly drilling ice in high sec, I should express my suicidal tendencies because this world is just not worth living in...
EDIT: ************ what is it with these eve-o snipes |

Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:22:00 -
[1799] - Quote
Evei Shard wrote:
...Someone with the right media connections could pretty much gank CCP.
They could at that. This story has legs enough. Like them or loathe them, The Guardian dead tree press, for example (Brit left-of-centre cause-championing newspaper, as linked to previously in this thread) would jump on this like you wouldn't believe. I certainly wouldn't want Polly Toynbee on my case -the sanctimony would be unbearable. In perpetuity.
However, Mittani has made his apology, let's see how much this will ameliorate things. Don't hold the front page.
Murientor tribal witch. Now with hair extensions. |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
19
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:23:00 -
[1800] - Quote
It is interesting how quickly Mittani's support in this thread has gone from "he did nothing wrong, suck it up losers" to "here's his sincere apology, please take it at face value".
Not expressing support of one side of the other. Just pointing out how fickle it appears is all. |
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Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:23:00 -
[1801] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Voith wrote:Shade Severii wrote:I love how people think it is morally wrong to bully someone's internet character (I think it is)
BUT they have no moral problem trying to get someone fired from there REAL LIFE job for bullying someones INTERNET CHARACTER
jesus christ Because this has **** all to do with Bullying and everything to do with CSM rejects and Titan pilots smelling blood in the water. I'm a carebear through and through mate LIFE is more important than your DAMNED PEW PEW GET IT Thats It.
CPP THIS MAN IS HARASSING ME
BAN PLZ |

Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:23:00 -
[1802] - Quote
What we really need here is some sort of checkbox poll. |

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
96
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:24:00 -
[1803] - Quote
Voith wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:Once again, I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things. CSM: More Serious than people who actually have armies and can ******* KILL THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE "I never had sex with .." "they do have chemical weapons .." (or was it biological?) "I never took money ..." (well, this could be from every second politican *g*) Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

Vincent VanDamme
Shadowfire Enterprises Rura-Penthe
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:25:00 -
[1804] - Quote
Savannah Zateki wrote: But it's totally cool to threaten people's lives, right? Because that's what Mittens encouraged.
No. I actually think what he said was also uncool. I think it was the wrong thing to say, that it was a stupid mistake for him to do that, and that it wasn't funny.
It isn't the sort of mistake you try to wreck someones career over.
Don't mistake my words on this as defence of the actions occuring, i assue you, it isn't.
Shall we all leap into the RL fray, hunt down each others details, and cause crap for our employers. Shall we open that door?
Or is i best to raise it with him?
I think it already was raised to him, and he is making amends.
But..i suppose for some that isnt enough. An apology used to carry weight. Now everyone wants the "Win". The need to "Win" the metagame. Get him banned. Get him fired, wreck his life. Do what it takes. We don't like his in game stuff, so time to mess with his life.
I like winning in my battles, but not that much.
What the did was wrong. No debate.
I dont think the response is proportional, at all.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
123
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[1805] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:It is interesting how quickly Mittani's support in this thread has gone from "he did nothing wrong, suck it up losers" to "here's his sincere apology, please take it at face value".
Not expressing support of one side of the other. Just pointing out how fickle it appears is all.
That's the sort of thing that happens when the subject of all this scorn is halfway over the Atlantic. It's not so much fickle as it is acknowledging that his opinion on what he did is a hell of a lot more important than our opinion about what he did. Personally, I don't even think he has anything to apologize for, but that's me. He clearly feels an apology was necessary, so he did.
If anything, it should put all of this stupid "THIS IS ALL PLANNED GOON CTA DAMAGE CONTROL RABLLERABLLERABBLE" nonsense to bed, since so many of us were absolutely not on the same page as he was about it. |

DooDoo Gum
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[1806] - Quote
Vincent VanDamme wrote:Ceptia Cyna wrote:He's a lawyer in real life right? Just send the stuff to his bar association and his law firm which should be easily done with his full name. I guess they love to see the VOD of the incident, too. You know this whole responsiblity stuff when you get your admission as attorney might proof to be a bit problematic and the new laws against cybermobbing in the U.S., oh dear boy.  Now this idea sounds fun don't you think? No. That is actually callous to the point of being sadistic. Did this thought give you some pleasure at all? The milisecond you start thinking about going at people IRL about this, that's the second you need to take a walk away from the game. Do not threaten peoples Jobs over a game. That is uncool. There are lines you really shouldn't be crossing. And ways you can register your displeasure of the situation. That isnt one of them.
Are you too stupid to comprehend what you just wrote in your own words ?
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ed jeni
SKULLDOGS RED.OverLord
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:28:00 -
[1807] - Quote
makes those early mittani fanboi suck ups seem so.................................repulsive and sucky |

KanashiiKami
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:30:00 -
[1808] - Quote
here is my view,
CCP created a unique game, and it definately attracted all kinds of unique players. the game has a unique learning curve. and the game has some unique leaning towards the dark side of things. that being so, it is inevitable that someone will rear up the dark side of his brain to commit some mischief in game, but for some committing mischief or creating the bad ass empire in game is a full time job. for some even, not having a good despicable laugh at the fallen is a sad affair. to some, they use this game to release the inner devil on unsuspecting victims.
so what did this bloke do at fanfest that made me wanna post this ? he said something in real life that encourages destruction of real human life, and bear in mind that it is not in game, and in full view of public. and to add fuel to fire, he encouraged thousands of players to do the same, to taunt a distraught person to end his own life. he should have just left his devil in game, but that being said, he probably is demonized in real life and has always been like that, i wouldnt know of course.
i have seen and heard numerous occasions of players taunting/attacking other players with the intent to create mental harm/distress directly and indirectly thru scams. in short, within the eve game, the creation of such a scenario is the sole purpose of certain players. and i have seen players getting banned before if i am not wrong (a failed grief attempt and attacker uses racists remarks on the victim, etc). for the purpose of making a strong example of the mitani's potentially deadly behavior to fellow human beings, i like CCP to pass him the life time ban on all accounts (CCP may choose to refund him unused subs, i hope he doesnt buy a gun with the refunds to grief someone in real life).
1 of the raw truths of the game --> kill or be killed. but does he need to bring it up front to some depressed folk who does not need to hear it in his face? and to say it at a fanfest? and to publicly encourage other players to do it? yes it may sound like a joke at first to some, BUT i will not laugh at it. for followers of the mitani, shame on you if you think it to be trivial that you can impose on and exert your taunts of suicide on a helpless person. i will like to see your reaction when the tables turn upon yourselves the same heartless way.
being in a position of power and having an alleviated position to implant strong suggestions to players (and CCP devs), will he next encourage all less well off players to commit suicide? or will he be more bold as to say something else in everadio that is related to real life suicide again? will he then suggest to all his "followers" in alliance and in game to vehemently strike out at all vunerable players? or suggest to them that they could make a move like he did at fanfest and openly "declare" taunts at mentally challenged players? so now has mitani become a symbol of ultimate power in eve that he can command real life players to his beck n call?
in short, CCP should and MUST make an example of this event that has happen, let your evil game character remain in game. be a mature man and have respect for real life. CCP need to promote the fact that real life is what makes this game, and the game should not be used to destroy real life.
again i motion for the all accounts ban for this person who instigated this in full view of public. i do not think anyone in real life will be having a good laugh being on the recieving end of such degrading insults and attacks, and it is morally degrading for some one to just mindlessly laugh at the victim without thought. if such is the case, then CCP has not made a game for players to be positively challenging, but morally degrading in nature. so to CCP, you have to put your foot down right here.
cheers K
WUT ??? |

Vincent VanDamme
Shadowfire Enterprises Rura-Penthe
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:30:00 -
[1809] - Quote
DooDoo Gum wrote:
Are you too stupid to comprehend what you just wrote in your own words ?
Sometimes. :)
I would say that two wrongs don't make a right. Turn the other cheek, that sort of thing. But I don't think it will play to this crowd today.
;)
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Mana Potion
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:31:00 -
[1810] - Quote
Ssakaa wrote:Evei Shard wrote:
...Someone with the right media connections could pretty much gank CCP.
They could at that. This story has legs enough. Like them or loathe them, The Guardian dead tree press, for example (Brit left-of-centre cause-championing newspaper, as linked to previously in this thread) would jump on this like you wouldn't believe. I certainly wouldn't want Polly Toynbee on my case -the sanctimony would be unbearable. In perpetuity. However, Mittani has made his apology, let's see how much this will ameliorate things. Don't hold the front page. ta heck with Polly Toynbee... I would only fear "the Church Lady"
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ching chonger
Violent Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:31:00 -
[1811] - Quote
Mittani is certainly a nicer guy than me - I wouldn't apologize for mocking someone who tried to garner sympathy in a spaceship game by dragging out a bunch of (unproven) facts about his personal life. If you're in such a bad shape maybe you shouldn't try to drop your problems on random strangers online and impose yourself on them?
I would never apologize for mocking someone that rude. |

Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
261
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:33:00 -
[1812] - Quote
bullshit, Mittani would get just as many votes now as he did before. give it a rest. Save the Miners! |

Lolmer
Yahoo Inc Caffeine Nicotine and Hate
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:34:00 -
[1813] - Quote
From Home -+ EVE Forums -+ EVE Communication Center -+ EVE General Discussion -+ My Apology
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Now move along, we have better things to do than comment on one persons (drunk, but no excuse itself) comments to a question at a party (hosted by CCP, so what?) posting no real-life information, only in-game info (which happens all the time making fun of people about what they do in-game using their in-game info). |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
615
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:35:00 -
[1814] - Quote
Ris Dnalor wrote:bullshit, Mittani would get just as many votes now as he did before. give it a rest.
He'd probably get more votes tbh.
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deyaneira
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:35:00 -
[1815] - Quote
I love drama. Please keep it coming. |

Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:36:00 -
[1816] - Quote
Mana Potion wrote: ta heck with Polly Toynbee...
Quite.  Murientor tribal witch. Now with hair extensions. |

Sara XIII
My lil Tax Shelter
64
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:37:00 -
[1817] - Quote
Where's Sandra Fluke? |

Zwo Zateki
Zwo Zateki Corporation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:39:00 -
[1818] - Quote
If these allegations prove to be true, Mittani must be banned from EVE for harassment, a grave TOS violation. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5799
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
[1819] - Quote
Lolmer wrote:Now move along GǪbut they haven't told Mittens to go kill himself and/or have his life ruined enough yet! 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Raithius
Deviance Cartel
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
[1820] - Quote
Yawn
Srsly 92 pages? |
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Rashino Zea
Universal Freelance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:44:00 -
[1821] - Quote
{inserting personal irrelevant opinion on the matter}
{affirming that no one cares} |

Talon Scorpio
Versatech Co. Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:44:00 -
[1822] - Quote
MittenGate
awesome.
keep tweeting. |

Noddy Comet
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:45:00 -
[1823] - Quote
Darronis Olachenko wrote:Li Malak wrote:~10,058~ Deal with it.
2.83% of 355435 eligible voters overall have voted and they love The Mittani. FTFY
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Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:48:00 -
[1824] - Quote
Funny to hear that so many people are crying bullying, Video games are just full of it. just we as a community can hide behind our anonymity of being on the web. Most of us are victims of real life bullying and we claim to be victims so we can do no wrong and feel justified.
The big mistake Mittens made was being a real person!
If you Punish this real person then you are treading on a slippery slop. Where does the banning end.
Care Bear Tears Spamming in local Hate eve mails Pod casts that make fun of avatars Greifing.
If there was a break in the Eula then that is an issue of CCP vs Eve, but this CyberBullying issue is someone looking for a scape goat
Eve Is netorious for Mob Mentality I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
387
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:50:00 -
[1825] - Quote
Rashino Zea wrote:{inserting personal irrelevant opinion on the matter}
{affirming that no one cares}
-áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3464
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:53:00 -
[1826] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:again i motion for the all accounts ban for this person who instigated this in full view of public. I agree, the people actively trying to manipulate CCP by submitting stories about this non-event to the gaming media should have all of their accounts permanently banned, period. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:54:00 -
[1827] - Quote
One thing confuses me a lot.
How can those moral guardians who despise mittens for making jokes from "severely depresed" guy wish mittens to get into jail and still manage to live with their hypocrisy? |

Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:54:00 -
[1828] - Quote
Kick the ****** out of the game. He has no place here.
What a piece of ****.
That is clearly harassment. |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:55:00 -
[1829] - Quote
Do you ever feel like just giving up?
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
562
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:03:00 -
[1830] - Quote
Zwo Zateki wrote:If these allegations prove to be true, Mittani must be banned from EVE for harassment, a grave TOS violation.
He wasn't playing Eve Online, so there is no TOS to violate IRL. |
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Funless Saisima
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[1831] - Quote
Please don't resign. My fragile psychological state can't handle my 2 votes being lost. |

Veranius
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[1832] - Quote
Didn't read this whole thread but I'm pretty sure royofca did what the dude mittens made fun of didn't have the balls too. Always remember |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:07:00 -
[1833] - Quote
Veranius wrote:Didn't read this whole thread but I'm pretty sure royofca did what the dude mittens made fun of didn't have the balls too. Always remember
what |

William T Riker
The Montauks The Paganism Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:08:00 -
[1834] - Quote
I consider myself a carebear but the colossal amount of snowflake carebearery going on in this thread managed to make me cringe.
Guy shouldn't be so butthurt 'cause "eve is hard", but that obviously doesn't justify humiliating him in front of thousands of people but Mr Mits said sorry so...
...Srs bsns much ado about nothing I'm not helping by bumping the topic so we must all lose faith in humanity etc. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:10:00 -
[1835] - Quote
FREE ALEXANDER AGINCOURT! |

Cigolon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:10:00 -
[1836] - Quote
People who play Eve are worthless drags on society anyways and should all burn like the possum I found under my porch last week. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
415
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:12:00 -
[1837] - Quote
Andski wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:again i motion for the all accounts ban for this person who instigated this in full view of public. I agree, the people actively trying to manipulate CCP by submitting stories about this non-event to the gaming media should have all of their accounts permanently banned, period.
Helping your case in the eyes of the REAL WORLD ???
NOT.
You "dudes" are caught in your own Meta-Web....of your own making. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
417
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:13:00 -
[1838] - Quote
Attica!
Attica!
Attica!
Attica! OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
682
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:18:00 -
[1839] - Quote
why is no-one paying attention to the fact that the Wis truly does not give a ****? |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
682
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:20:00 -
[1840] - Quote
rabble rabble rabble rabble mittens said a bad thing rabble rabble it is principle rabble rabble
dude's apologised for drunken rambling, and pretty ******* sincerely. Wis obviously doesn't give a **** so stop using this dude's depression as a way to get at my ceo gdi |
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Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:20:00 -
[1841] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:why is no-one paying attention to the fact that the Wis truly does not give a ****?
Because they want to get at the Mittani. They don't actually care about the dude.
If you don't believe me, consider the fact that The Wis wasn't even aware there was a controversy until a goon contacted him today. None of the people that thing this is a huge deal bothered to even check if the supposed "victim" was doing alright. So basically the bleeding hearts are hypocrites. |

Phreaked Out
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:22:00 -
[1842] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Helping your case in the eyes of the REAL WORLD ???
NOT.
You "dudes" are caught in your own Meta-Web....of your own making.
This comment is so bad I want to kill myself for reading it. Does that make you libel? "Meta-Web...." Christ. Use your words.
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Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:23:00 -
[1843] - Quote
I'm sad, Mittens posts his apology and the Ladie Harlot presence evaporates from the thread. |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:23:00 -
[1844] - Quote
It was never about the "victim". It's about The Mittani's actions as a CSM, and whether or not that conduct is acceptable.
I've said that no fewer than 3 times in this thread already, but people would rather bicker over nonsensical, irrelevant topics than try to look at this scenario logically.
This whole incident has been some pretty interesting stuff IMO. |

Nitrous Nine
Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:26:00 -
[1845] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:why is no-one paying attention to the fact that the Wis truly does not give a ****? Because they want to get at the Mittani.
This is true, I admit I'm having enourmous fun seeing pie all over his face in the news, and all the goons making excuses for him. More more! |

Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:34:00 -
[1846] - Quote
There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:41:00 -
[1847] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. At 93 pages someone does Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:42:00 -
[1848] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. At 93 pages someone does
See: a bunch of butthurt faggots |

OfBalance
Caldari State
259
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:43:00 -
[1849] - Quote
Ahaha, welcome to the party FCON. Late and low participation as usual, heh. |

Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:44:00 -
[1850] - Quote
OfBalance wrote:Ahaha, welcome to the party FCON. Late and low participation as usual, heh. Post on your main or go **** yourself. |
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:44:00 -
[1851] - Quote
OfBalance wrote:Ahaha, welcome to the party FCON. Late and low participation as usual, heh.
lmao |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:45:00 -
[1852] - Quote
Careful OfBalance his Corp name has Latin in it, that means he is a super space badass. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
261
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:45:00 -
[1853] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:OfBalance wrote:Ahaha, welcome to the party FCON. Late and low participation as usual, heh. Post on your main or go **** yourself.
Wololol |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
424
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:46:00 -
[1854] - Quote
Phreaked Out wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Helping your case in the eyes of the REAL WORLD ???
NOT.
You "dudes" are caught in your own Meta-Web....of your own making. This comment is so bad I want to kill myself for reading it. Does that make you libel? "Meta-Web...." Christ. Use your words.
EEK! LOOK OUT !!!! It's from the 1800's !!!!!! (and learn how to spell LIABLE). OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Flatline.
54
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:47:00 -
[1855] - Quote
Don't mind me, just posting in a goon CTA thread . |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
424
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:48:00 -
[1856] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. At 93 pages someone does See: a bunch of butthurt faggots
Did you actually SEE them having sex to determine that ??? OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

OfBalance
Caldari State
261
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:50:00 -
[1857] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. At 93 pages someone does See: a bunch of butthurt faggots Did you actually SEE them having sex to determine that ???
Are you looking for samples? |

Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:51:00 -
[1858] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. At 93 pages someone does See: a bunch of butthurt faggots Did you actually SEE them having sex to determine that ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-otAJrtY-w |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
89
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:51:00 -
[1859] - Quote
OfBalance wrote:Ahaha, welcome to the party FCON. Late and low participation as usual, heh.
F**kin epic! LMAO! |

Schwa Nuts
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:51:00 -
[1860] - Quote
This witch hunt is producing a lot of schadenfreude. Goons must be doing something right. |
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Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:54:00 -
[1861] - Quote
Schwa Nuts wrote:This witch hunt is producing a lot of schadenfreude. Goons must be doing something right.
This is Mittani's "Iraq has WMD's" moment (retards using stupid bullshit as an excuse to get angry and try to push Mittens off the CSM, for those that don't understand the reference/aren't Americans and don't care). |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:55:00 -
[1862] - Quote
Encouraging people to commit suicide is one thing, doing it as a public figure is a different thing ;)
Go Mittens! May many other excellent career moves decloak in your path (I was wondering why you no longer work as a lawyer - I wonder no more... ;)
Cheers |

Mr M
Agony Unleashed
144
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:56:00 -
[1863] - Quote
As a member of the CSM you're not just another player, you're a representative for the EVE Online player base. In this case it doesn't really matter who said what, but if a member of the CSM act i inappropriately CCP needs to take actions, or else it will put the whole playerbase in a bad light. I would prefer if new subscribers didn't think we were a bunch of cyber bullies telling depressed people that they should kill themselves. And I'm pretty sure that's not the image CCP are going for either.
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Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:56:00 -
[1864] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:Encouraging people to commit suicide is one thing, doing it as a public figure is a different thing ;)
It's ******* hilarious is what it is.
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Kyle Yanowski
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:57:00 -
[1865] - Quote
Internet nerds. Stop acting tough, and show some empathy. As much as I despise mittani and the goons, I would never encourage any one of them to commit suicide. Kids, empathy will come with age. As a leader, it took one of my Soldiers blowing his brains out in Iraq to realize that even verbalization of suicide is enough to lead to an attempt.
Mittani and goons, I am not raging, nor am I losing sleep over your existence in eve, but you all have a long way to go towards maturity.
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
89
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:58:00 -
[1866] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:Schwa Nuts wrote:This witch hunt is producing a lot of schadenfreude. Goons must be doing something right. This is Mittani's "Iraq has WMD's" moment (retards using stupid bullshit as an excuse to get angry and try to push Mittens off the CSM, for those that don't understand the reference/aren't Americans and don't care).
wow.... just, wow!
FCON Doesnt disappoint, thats for sure! |

Ai Shun
418
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:59:00 -
[1867] - Quote
Keep going. 100+ pages before this issue is as active as WiS. Of course, the ppm count is fairly ******* impressive. |

Silas Kautsuo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:59:00 -
[1868] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:why is no-one paying attention to the fact that the Wis truly does not give a ****?
Because that is not the issue here, the issue is that an elected representative of the players took it upon himself to grandstand before an audience and make himself look like a hero by belittling someone who potentially has mental illness.
The fact that this idiot did not have any mental illness issues was only revealed this evening, days after the act of incitement to further harass this individual. He's as bad as Mittani, both are pond scum and deserve everything they get.
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Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:00:00 -
[1869] - Quote
Kyle Yanowski wrote:Internet nerds. Stop acting tough, and show some empathy. As much as I despise mittani and the goons, I would never encourage any one of them to commit suicide. Kids, empathy will come with age. As a leader, it took one of my Soldiers blowing his brains out in Iraq to realize that even verbalization of suicide is enough to lead to an attempt.
Mittani and goons, I am not raging, nor am I losing sleep over your existence in eve, but you all have a long way to go towards maturity.
Spent four years in the Army. Knew one person that did exactly. Still find myself with an utter lack of empathy. I'm not going to hold anyone's hand and comfort them and tell them everything is sunshine and daisies if someone expresses suicidal thoughts. Tell 'em to get some help, if they don't, really not my problem. I never lost any sleep over the incident. |

Kyle Yanowski
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:01:00 -
[1870] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****.
Feller. You know nothing of being hard. Even hard men break. |
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Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:03:00 -
[1871] - Quote
Kyle Yanowski wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. Feller. You know nothing of being hard. Even hard men break.
Your statements scream POG. |

Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:05:00 -
[1872] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:Encouraging people to commit suicide is one thing, doing it as a public figure is a different thing ;)
Go Mittens! May many other excellent career moves decloak in your path (I was wondering why you no longer work as a lawyer - I wonder no more... ;)
Cheers
I've never questioned the obvious |

Kyle Yanowski
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:08:00 -
[1873] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:Kyle Yanowski wrote:Internet nerds. Stop acting tough, and show some empathy. As much as I despise mittani and the goons, I would never encourage any one of them to commit suicide. Kids, empathy will come with age. As a leader, it took one of my Soldiers blowing his brains out in Iraq to realize that even verbalization of suicide is enough to lead to an attempt.
Mittani and goons, I am not raging, nor am I losing sleep over your existence in eve, but you all have a long way to go towards maturity.
Spent four years in the Army. Knew one person that did exactly. Still find myself with an utter lack of empathy. I'm not going to hold anyone's hand and comfort them and tell them everything is sunshine and daisies if someone expresses suicidal thoughts. Tell 'em to get some help, if they don't, really not my problem. I never lost any sleep over the incident.
You sound disconnected. Not sure if you were a leader, or if the Soldier was yours or not. Hard to be disconnected when it is someone you know in your team, squad, platoon, or company.
If you were a leader.... You would know that you cannot just harden up when you are already over the edge. |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
89
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:09:00 -
[1874] - Quote
Kyle Yanowski wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. Feller. You know nothing of being hard. Even hard men break.
dont fall for the troll... chances are he prob thinks bein tortured is childsplay and any1 who gives in to torture is a '******', as its the quintessential CFC verb these days.
he's prob not a flashback away from killing himself tho... he's prob a flashback away from killing someone else, thatd be my concern. |

Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:11:00 -
[1875] - Quote
Kyle Yanowski wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:Kyle Yanowski wrote:Internet nerds. Stop acting tough, and show some empathy. As much as I despise mittani and the goons, I would never encourage any one of them to commit suicide. Kids, empathy will come with age. As a leader, it took one of my Soldiers blowing his brains out in Iraq to realize that even verbalization of suicide is enough to lead to an attempt.
Mittani and goons, I am not raging, nor am I losing sleep over your existence in eve, but you all have a long way to go towards maturity.
Spent four years in the Army. Knew one person that did exactly. Still find myself with an utter lack of empathy. I'm not going to hold anyone's hand and comfort them and tell them everything is sunshine and daisies if someone expresses suicidal thoughts. Tell 'em to get some help, if they don't, really not my problem. I never lost any sleep over the incident. You sound disconnected. Not sure if you were a leader, or if the Soldier was yours or not. Hard to be disconnected when it is someone you know in your team, squad, platoon, or company. If you were a leader.... You would know that you cannot just harden up when you are already over the edge. Was an NCO, same company, not my soldier, knew him in passing. |

Kyle Yanowski
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:12:00 -
[1876] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:Kyle Yanowski wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. Feller. You know nothing of being hard. Even hard men break. Your statements scream POG.
Google my name mate. Same as my handle. 11a, ranger class 05-05. Still active. Now let's stay clear of the ad hominem attacks. |

Silas Kautsuo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:18:00 -
[1877] - Quote
Kyle Yanowski wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. Feller. You know nothing of being hard. Even hard men break.
I do hope none of those defending the incitement or who find it funny every have to deal with depression or anxiety, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, though maybe then they might get some perspective on why Mittani's actions weren't acceptable. |

The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
288
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 02:23:00 -
[1878] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****.
The sheer level of unnecessary bigotry amazes me. Such statement was uncalled for. |

Kyle Yanowski
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 02:23:00 -
[1879] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:Kyle Yanowski wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:Kyle Yanowski wrote:Internet nerds. Stop acting tough, and show some empathy. As much as I despise mittani and the goons, I would never encourage any one of them to commit suicide. Kids, empathy will come with age. As a leader, it took one of my Soldiers blowing his brains out in Iraq to realize that even verbalization of suicide is enough to lead to an attempt.
Mittani and goons, I am not raging, nor am I losing sleep over your existence in eve, but you all have a long way to go towards maturity.
Spent four years in the Army. Knew one person that did exactly. Still find myself with an utter lack of empathy. I'm not going to hold anyone's hand and comfort them and tell them everything is sunshine and daisies if someone expresses suicidal thoughts. Tell 'em to get some help, if they don't, really not my problem. I never lost any sleep over the incident. You sound disconnected. Not sure if you were a leader, or if the Soldier was yours or not. Hard to be disconnected when it is someone you know in your team, squad, platoon, or company. If you were a leader.... You would know that you cannot just harden up when you are already over the edge. Was an NCO, same company, not my soldier, knew him in passing.
Soldier committed suicide when I was a platoon leader.... Although it sent ripples through the company, the real impact tore the platoon apart. There were signs, he was told to harden up... In the end we, I didn't see his cries for help, maybe we didn't want to see it... Until it was too late.
This topic is personal; I understand that the mittani is a kid with potential.... His rise in eve is a reflection of what is possible in life, however, what he did was wrong; what his followers are saying is wrong.... And it needs to be fixed.
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MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:33:00 -
[1880] - Quote
President Obama was a "kid with potential". He gets people killed, even encourages it, every day - and most people don't give a rats ass.
Mittens on the other hand, just proved he is not such a "kid with potential". If you are going to encourage people to die, do it within a proper politically correct framework and with proper perspective.
This should be the shortest CSM Chairmanship ever, if CCP do their job right... but meh, when did they ever...
Cheers
Kyle Yanowski wrote:This topic is personal; I understand that the mittani is a kid with potential.... His rise in eve is a reflection of what is possible in life, however, what he did was wrong; what his followers are saying is wrong.... And it needs to be fixed.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1265
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:40:00 -
[1881] - Quote
Silas Kautsuo wrote:Kyle Yanowski wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. Feller. You know nothing of being hard. Even hard men break. I do hope none of those defending the incitement or who find it funny every have to deal with depression or anxiety, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, though maybe then they might get some perspective on why Mittani's actions weren't acceptable.
Wow.
Depression nor anxiety were the issue. Being pissed off at losing 20 odd Macks and wanting the Goons to feel bad about it was the issue.
The Mittani has seen hundreds of similar EVE mails. Hell, I personally have seen dozens through out the years and I don't go out of my way to kill anyone I'm not at war or red to.
This was correctly identified, laughed about, and filed away... but was classic enough to be used as a bad (and admittedly inappropriate) joke long after the incident happened.
YouTube and EVE Files are filled with video's depicting similar events, and they are funny as hell in a mean sort of way.
No poor suicidal victim was cyber bullied here, in fact no bullying of any kind happened here, feel free to ask him yourself.
If The Wiz is fine with the apology and 10 bil, it's really time to shut the hell up about it. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:44:00 -
[1882] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Silas Kautsuo wrote:Kyle Yanowski wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. Feller. You know nothing of being hard. Even hard men break. I do hope none of those defending the incitement or who find it funny every have to deal with depression or anxiety, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, though maybe then they might get some perspective on why Mittani's actions weren't acceptable. Wow. Depression nor anxiety were the issue. Being pissed off at losing 20 odd Macks and wanting the Goons to feel bad about it was the issue. The Mittani has seen hundreds of similar EVE mails. Hell, I personally have seen dozens through out the years and I don't go out of my way to kill anyone I'm not at war or red to. This was correctly identified, laughed about, and filed away... but was classic enough to be used as a bad (and admittedly inappropriate) joke long after the incident happened. YouTube and EVE Files are filled with video's depicting similar events, and they are funny as hell in a mean sort of way. No poor suicidal victim was cyber bullied here, in fact no bullying of any kind happened here, feel free to ask him yourself. If The Wiz is fine with the apology and 10 bil, it's really time to shut the hell up about it.
This. If this has everyone up in arms, the kind of **** talking that went on during the Pendulum wars would invoke flaming **** from permanently singed rectums the likes of which have not been seen since moses yelled 'Problem, Pharoah?" across the red sea. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |

Silas Kautsuo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:45:00 -
[1883] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Silas Kautsuo wrote:Kyle Yanowski wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. Feller. You know nothing of being hard. Even hard men break. I do hope none of those defending the incitement or who find it funny every have to deal with depression or anxiety, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, though maybe then they might get some perspective on why Mittani's actions weren't acceptable. Wow. Depression nor anxiety were the issue. Being pissed off at losing 20 odd Macks and wanting the Goons to feel bad about it was the issue. The Mittani has seen hundreds of similar EVE mails. Hell, I personally have seen dozens through out the years and I don't go out of my way to kill anyone I'm not at war or red to. This was correctly identified, laughed about, and filed away... but was classic enough to be used as a bad (and admittedly inappropriate) joke long after the incident happened. YouTube and EVE Files are filled with video's depicting similar events, and they are funny as hell in a mean sort of way. No poor suicidal victim was cyber bullied here, in fact no bullying of any kind happened here, feel free to ask him yourself. If The Wiz is fine with the apology and 10 bil, it's really time to shut the hell up about it.
They are the issue when pond life like Mittani decides it's funny enough to get everyone in a conference to start harrassing them. The gimp using that as an excuse shouldn't have, and I myself would just tell him to get the hell off the computer if that was his problem and consider it a joke, but publicly inciting this crap when he had no clue whether the guy was for real or not is not acceptable.
The Wis probably isn't depressive, in which case he should not use it as an excuse when he's butthurt about losing his ships, but Mittani isn't excused for making that individual a target. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:46:00 -
[1884] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:President Obama was a "kid with potential". He gets people killed, even encourages it, every day - and most people don't give a rats ass.
Mittens on the other hand, just proved he is not such a "kid with potential". If you are going to encourage people to die, do it within a proper politically correct framework and with proper perspective.
~Republicans~ |

DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
1003
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:48:00 -
[1885] - Quote
The Antiquarian wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. The sheer level of unnecessary bigotry amazes me. Such statement was uncalled for. Damn straight.
It is not likely that I shall say anything new here. If I do, it will be of only minor significance. Nevertheless, Algia Knightstorm doesn't realize just how tenuous his grasp of reality is. Perhaps before going on, I should describe Knightstorm to you. Knightstorm is negligent, satanic, and incorrigible. Furthermore, he yearns to poison the air, water, and soil. I have no problem with the manifestly obvious statement that he's a pukka creep. I have no problem with the idea that of particular interest to me is the way that he continuously denies that his power is built on lies. And I have no problem with the special privileges occasionally granted to the most jaded pests I've ever seen. What I do have a problem with are his lewd communiqu+¬s.
Nobody wants Knightstorm to obliterate our sense of identity, but Knightstorm insists on doing it anyway. Unfortunately, the English language contains so few words of reprobation and invective that I cannot satisfactorily describe his unsympathetic effusions. At least our language's lexicon is sufficiently voluminous for me to explain that I have a New Year's resolution for Knightstorm: He should pick up a book before he jumps to the stentorian conclusion that honor counts for nothing. Daffy tosspots are more susceptible to his brainwashing tactics than are any other group. Like water, their minds take the form of whatever receptacle Knightstorm puts them in. They then lose all recollection that I can't possibly believe Knightstorm's claim that he can absorb mana by devouring his rivals' brains. If someone can convince me otherwise, I'll eat my hat. Heck, I'll eat a whole closetful of hats. That's a pretty safe bet because I recently heard Knightstorm tell a bunch of people that he has a fearless dedication to reason and truth. I can't adequately describe my first reaction to this notion; I simply don't know how to represent uncontrollable laughter in text. Let us now lay the groundwork for an upcoming attempt to convince obstreperous cavilers to stop supporting Algia Knightstorm and tolerating his animadversions because in that is our only hope for the future. |

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
486
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:50:00 -
[1886] - Quote
agreed kick that ******* out
Noted, i voted for him, but ti sets a bad president. I'm sure he knows it too. He also knows he would still have a powerful voice on the CSM, he just has to live up the power to be a public figure.
point is, pure and simple he deserves to lose his position, or PR for the CSM turns the CSM into a joke that i pro-bully. not pro-fake bullying in eve online. But real cyber bullying. |

Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:50:00 -
[1887] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Silas Kautsuo wrote:Kyle Yanowski wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. Feller. You know nothing of being hard. Even hard men break. I do hope none of those defending the incitement or who find it funny every have to deal with depression or anxiety, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, though maybe then they might get some perspective on why Mittani's actions weren't acceptable. Wow. Depression nor anxiety were the issue. Being pissed off at losing 20 odd Macks and wanting the Goons to feel bad about it was the cause of the original EVE Mail. The Mittani has seen hundreds of similar EVE mails. Hell, I personally have seen dozens through out the years and I don't go out of my way to kill anyone I'm not at war or red to. This was correctly identified, laughed about, and filed away... but was classic enough to be used as a bad (and admittedly inappropriate) joke long after the incident happened. YouTube and EVE Files are filled with video's depicting similar events, and they are funny as hell in a mean sort of way. No poor suicidal victim was cyber bullied here, in fact no bullying of any kind happened here, feel free to ask him yourself. If The Wiz is fine with the apology and 10 bil, it's really time to shut the hell up about it.
Its because this is clearly NOT about the wis or wanting an apology. Welcome to the internet.
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Shandir
Ferocious Felines
62
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:55:00 -
[1888] - Quote
The real problem here is that it is blatantly obvious that a significant portion of people on the forums think this behavior is acceptable, and unless CCP makes it clear that this behavior is not acceptable - they are condoning it.
This is public, blatant and offensive - if there is a better picture case of why this isn't okay, it would require someone to be seriously hurt. Let's not wait until that example happens. Put a foot down firmly now. |

Kyle Yanowski
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:00:00 -
[1889] - Quote
Shandir wrote:The real problem here is that it is blatantly obvious that a significant portion of people on the forums think this behavior is acceptable, and unless CCP makes it clear that this behavior is not acceptable - they are condoning it.
This is public, blatant and offensive - if there is a better picture case of why this isn't okay, it would require someone to be seriously hurt. Let's not wait until that example happens. Put a foot down firmly now.
I missed it as I dove head first in this thread. Mittani posted his apology. I won't say anything else other than, go read it.... And learn from it. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
392
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:02:00 -
[1890] - Quote
School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:The double standards of these pubbies who scream for Mittani to be lynched is abhorrent. Mittens has lain himself prostrate before you and you ask for him to be banned, while those in Raiden and literally driven another player to suicide receive your undying admiration.
You pubbies are a thundering disgrace. You can talk all the **** you want but your alliance leader has publicly disgraced himself, as have many of your members. Diversion is a sad tactic. At least he has manned up and taken responsibility for his actions, something that Raiden. and pubbies will never ever do. We take our losses and don't cry about it.
He has done no such thing. Thankfully, it will be forced upon him.
Also, you have been crying about it for about a hundred pages now. That's a matter of public record and all. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:03:00 -
[1891] - Quote
yahh tbh just to get the record straight it wasnt the public addressing of the wis' personal eve mail that is at fault, its the incitement by the mittani of... 'if you want to find the guy and make him kill himself his name is...' comment.
being bad at the game and getting trolled comes with the territory in eve, but inciting that course of action when you've been flown out at the expense of CCP to be the lead elected representative of their customers is seriously out of line. |

Anya Klibor
Error-404
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:03:00 -
[1892] - Quote
Let me relate a story.
In 2008 I was the acting company commander for our battalion's service and support company. We had a Marine I knew about who was suicidal because his girlfriend of six years had been sleeping around while he was deployed. He'd thoroughly loved her and was devastated when he found this out. This Marine was exemplary, and in great health - both mentally and physically - before all this happened. In classic Marine fashion, several of his NCOs said that he didn't have the balls to pull the trigger. They didn't care about him, and they openly mocked him for it.
He checked out his personal sidearm to "clean". It was a .45-caliber pistol. Instead of bringing it to the range, he brought it back to his barracks room and loaded it. We were lucky that the corporal on duty realized what he had and called both myself and the Provost Marshall's Office before he could do anything. I was the only one allowed through the cordon without a badge, because as his company's executive officer and acting company commander, I wanted to be there in case I could help. I considered this man one of my few friends in the Marines, and I didn't like the idea of him pulling the trigger and taking his own life.
He eventually calmed down enough that I was able to walk into his room, unarmed. I had PMO stay back. He was on the first deck of the barracks. He was relating everything, and he simply said, "I want to pull this trigger and just end it." One of the NCOs who had been ragging on him the entire time yelled, "Then do it you ******* *****!" I have never moved so fast in my life. As he brought the gun up, I bolted to him and wrestled for the gun.
He pulled the trigger. Luckily I was the one he shot. Blew out my shoulder when he did, but PMO was quick to rush in when he fired, and they got the gun away from him.
This Marine was exemplary, and I refused to have charges pressed on him. To my knowledge, he continues to serve in uniform, though he was very close to being medically discharged. He was a Lance Corporal, and he's a Staff Sergeant now. He regularly tells his story during suicide prevention classes, and i'd like to think he makes a difference.
But the point of this story is, something as simple as a little ragging can lead to someone going through with the action. Not everyone has someone who can stop them right then and there, and plenty of suicides happen annually.
We are a cruel group of people. We play EVE because it is cruel/ We do everything we can to hurt other people in this game, and many times it goes beyond the game's confines. We are callous to one another because the game allows it. But the problem is, many people don't seem to get that there are lines, and the line was crossed. It's clear those of you supporting Mittens have never witnessed someone take their own life, and most of you don't get that this isn't a laughing matter. Undoubtedly this post will not receive likes, and the only mention it will get is a quote from a Goon followed by "lol u suck". But as a Marine and a human being with empathy, I can tell you that you are scum if you think this is funny, for whatever the reason. If you consider this acceptable, then the problem isn't the people who get suicidal over internet pixel. The problem is you. |

Shandir
Ferocious Felines
65
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:08:00 -
[1893] - Quote
Kyle Yanowski wrote:Shandir wrote:The real problem here is that it is blatantly obvious that a significant portion of people on the forums think this behavior is acceptable, and unless CCP makes it clear that this behavior is not acceptable - they are condoning it.
This is public, blatant and offensive - if there is a better picture case of why this isn't okay, it would require someone to be seriously hurt. Let's not wait until that example happens. Put a foot down firmly now. I missed it as I dove head first in this thread. Mittani posted his apology. I won't say anything else other than, go read it.... And learn from it.
I've already read his apology, and as I said in reply - if it's honest, it's respectable, but the persona he has spent years building up makes it difficult to swallow. It is fitting with his persona, and the persona who did the thing we're all quite upset about, to apologize with a delicately worded post, quite convincingly, and mean not a word of it. For all the rest of us know, he could be posting on the goon forums about how funny it is that CCP made him apologize. This is not tinfoil hattery, it is simply The Mittani he has showed us through his words and actions. I do not believe that his apology is sincere unless there is action to back it up. What is effectively pocket change to his character does not count, by the way.
This is the problem with convincing the entire game he's an *******. He's very good at using his words and actions convincing us of that. He's worked very hard, and now when he wants everyone to believe it's just a mask, words are not enough. He might be a nice guy in RL, when the persona drops, but as far as most of us can tell - the words during the Alliance Panel ring truer than the ones he's posted now. |

Kyle Yanowski
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:10:00 -
[1894] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:Let me relate a story.
In 2008 I was the acting company commander for our battalion's service and support company. We had a Marine I knew about who was suicidal because his girlfriend of six years had been sleeping around while he was deployed. He'd thoroughly loved her and was devastated when he found this out. This Marine was exemplary, and in great health - both mentally and physically - before all this happened. In classic Marine fashion, several of his NCOs said that he didn't have the balls to pull the trigger. They didn't care about him, and they openly mocked him for it.
He checked out his personal sidearm to "clean". It was a .45-caliber pistol. Instead of bringing it to the range, he brought it back to his barracks room and loaded it. We were lucky that the corporal on duty realized what he had and called both myself and the Provost Marshall's Office before he could do anything. I was the only one allowed through the cordon without a badge, because as his company's executive officer and acting company commander, I wanted to be there in case I could help. I considered this man one of my few friends in the Marines, and I didn't like the idea of him pulling the trigger and taking his own life.
He eventually calmed down enough that I was able to walk into his room, unarmed. I had PMO stay back. He was on the first deck of the barracks. He was relating everything, and he simply said, "I want to pull this trigger and just end it." One of the NCOs who had been ragging on him the entire time yelled, "Then do it you ******* *****!" I have never moved so fast in my life. As he brought the gun up, I bolted to him and wrestled for the gun.
He pulled the trigger. Luckily I was the one he shot. Blew out my shoulder when he did, but PMO was quick to rush in when he fired, and they got the gun away from him.
This Marine was exemplary, and I refused to have charges pressed on him. To my knowledge, he continues to serve in uniform, though he was very close to being medically discharged. He was a Lance Corporal, and he's a Staff Sergeant now. He regularly tells his story during suicide prevention classes, and i'd like to think he makes a difference.
But the point of this story is, something as simple as a little ragging can lead to someone going through with the action. Not everyone has someone who can stop them right then and there, and plenty of suicides happen annually.
We are a cruel group of people. We play EVE because it is cruel/ We do everything we can to hurt other people in this game, and many times it goes beyond the game's confines. We are callous to one another because the game allows it. But the problem is, many people don't seem to get that there are lines, and the line was crossed. It's clear those of you supporting Mittens have never witnessed someone take their own life, and most of you don't get that this isn't a laughing matter. Undoubtedly this post will not receive likes, and the only mention it will get is a quote from a Goon followed by "lol u suck". But as a Marine and a human being with empathy, I can tell you that you are scum if you think this is funny, for whatever the reason. If you consider this acceptable, then the problem isn't the people who get suicidal over internet pixel. The problem is you.
Agreed. Thanks for posting this.
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Borial Vokan
Starwinders The Unwilling.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:10:00 -
[1895] - Quote
"For those who are unfamiliar with The MittaniGÇÖs misconduct, please refer to the link where he knowingly encouraged thousands of potential Fanfest viewers to send mails to an EVE player who has exhibited a history of mental instability, to provoke him to commit suicide."
I think we have a new record for the CSM chairman to last the shortest ammount of time. Well done. |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
92
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:12:00 -
[1896] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:Let me relate a story.
In 2008 I was the acting company commander for our battalion's service and support company. We had a Marine I knew about who was suicidal because his girlfriend of six years had been sleeping around while he was deployed. He'd thoroughly loved her and was devastated when he found this out. This Marine was exemplary, and in great health - both mentally and physically - before all this happened. In classic Marine fashion, several of his NCOs said that he didn't have the balls to pull the trigger. They didn't care about him, and they openly mocked him for it.
He checked out his personal sidearm to "clean". It was a .45-caliber pistol. Instead of bringing it to the range, he brought it back to his barracks room and loaded it. We were lucky that the corporal on duty realized what he had and called both myself and the Provost Marshall's Office before he could do anything. I was the only one allowed through the cordon without a badge, because as his company's executive officer and acting company commander, I wanted to be there in case I could help. I considered this man one of my few friends in the Marines, and I didn't like the idea of him pulling the trigger and taking his own life.
He eventually calmed down enough that I was able to walk into his room, unarmed. I had PMO stay back. He was on the first deck of the barracks. He was relating everything, and he simply said, "I want to pull this trigger and just end it." One of the NCOs who had been ragging on him the entire time yelled, "Then do it you ******* *****!" I have never moved so fast in my life. As he brought the gun up, I bolted to him and wrestled for the gun.
He pulled the trigger. Luckily I was the one he shot. Blew out my shoulder when he did, but PMO was quick to rush in when he fired, and they got the gun away from him.
This Marine was exemplary, and I refused to have charges pressed on him. To my knowledge, he continues to serve in uniform, though he was very close to being medically discharged. He was a Lance Corporal, and he's a Staff Sergeant now. He regularly tells his story during suicide prevention classes, and i'd like to think he makes a difference.
But the point of this story is, something as simple as a little ragging can lead to someone going through with the action. Not everyone has someone who can stop them right then and there, and plenty of suicides happen annually.
We are a cruel group of people. We play EVE because it is cruel/ We do everything we can to hurt other people in this game, and many times it goes beyond the game's confines. We are callous to one another because the game allows it. But the problem is, many people don't seem to get that there are lines, and the line was crossed. It's clear those of you supporting Mittens have never witnessed someone take their own life, and most of you don't get that this isn't a laughing matter. Undoubtedly this post will not receive likes, and the only mention it will get is a quote from a Goon followed by "lol u suck". But as a Marine and a human being with empathy, I can tell you that you are scum if you think this is funny, for whatever the reason. If you consider this acceptable, then the problem isn't the people who get suicidal over internet pixel. The problem is you.
well f**king said! +1 |

Eian
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:13:00 -
[1897] - Quote
Kyle Yanowski wrote:Shandir wrote:The real problem here is that it is blatantly obvious that a significant portion of people on the forums think this behavior is acceptable, and unless CCP makes it clear that this behavior is not acceptable - they are condoning it.
This is public, blatant and offensive - if there is a better picture case of why this isn't okay, it would require someone to be seriously hurt. Let's not wait until that example happens. Put a foot down firmly now. I missed it as I dove head first in this thread. Mittani posted his apology. I won't say anything else other than, go read it.... And learn from it.
I read it twice. What would you, rather should we take away from that post? Please enlighten us. |

Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:16:00 -
[1898] - Quote
EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go. |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
92
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:21:00 -
[1899] - Quote
Eian wrote:Kyle Yanowski wrote:Shandir wrote:The real problem here is that it is blatantly obvious that a significant portion of people on the forums think this behavior is acceptable, and unless CCP makes it clear that this behavior is not acceptable - they are condoning it.
This is public, blatant and offensive - if there is a better picture case of why this isn't okay, it would require someone to be seriously hurt. Let's not wait until that example happens. Put a foot down firmly now. I missed it as I dove head first in this thread. Mittani posted his apology. I won't say anything else other than, go read it.... And learn from it. I read it twice. What would you, rather should we take away from that post? Please enlighten us.
its very simple, cyber bullying is bad, it does have consequences, consequences that may not be easily verified but consequences that are extremely severe. The Mittani has expressed that he understands this concept, in his apology, and notes that his actions were wrong.
learn from his example that cyber bullying is bad and that you shouldnt do it, or enourage it.
if you couldnt get that from his apology then you definitely need more schooling.
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Aker Krane
OMEGADYNE LABS Rising Darkness
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:25:00 -
[1900] - Quote
Shandir wrote:The real problem here is that it is blatantly obvious that a significant portion of people on the forums think this behavior is acceptable, and unless CCP makes it clear that this behavior is not acceptable - they are condoning it.
This is public, blatant and offensive - if there is a better picture case of why this isn't okay, it would require someone to be seriously hurt. Let's not wait until that example happens. Put a foot down firmly now.
This.
Our little game is about to learn a lesson about consequences over this. When you are a public figure, what you say has consequences.
Thanks Mittens for making this game the poster child for internet bullying. Intended or not. You get a well deserved "F" for this.
For those of you defending this: Smarten up.
CCP: Cut him loose. There is nothing positive that holding on to him will bring.
There are larger consequences here than what he said.
Good luck to you all on this one. |
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Anya Klibor
Error-404
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:26:00 -
[1901] - Quote
HTML error. Removing. |

Anya Klibor
Error-404
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:27:00 -
[1902] - Quote
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:Eian wrote:Kyle Yanowski wrote:Shandir wrote:The real problem here is that it is blatantly obvious that a significant portion of people on the forums think this behavior is acceptable, and unless CCP makes it clear that this behavior is not acceptable - they are condoning it.
This is public, blatant and offensive - if there is a better picture case of why this isn't okay, it would require someone to be seriously hurt. Let's not wait until that example happens. Put a foot down firmly now. I missed it as I dove head first in this thread. Mittani posted his apology. I won't say anything else other than, go read it.... And learn from it. I read it twice. What would you, rather should we take away from that post? Please enlighten us. its very simple, cyber bullying is bad, it does have consequences, consequences that may not be easily verified but consequences that are extremely severe. The Mittani has expressed that he understands this concept, in his apology, and notes that his actions were wrong. learn from his example that cyber bullying is bad and that you shouldnt do it, or enourage it. if you couldnt get that from his apology then you definitely need more schooling.
The issue is that his apology is not, in any way, heartfelt. Goons have one mission in this game: to ruin it for everyone else. To do that, they must take on the sociopath mentality and lose their "conscience". They are not here to make friends. They are not here to play nice with others. They will lie, cheat, and steal in order to get what they want. And if you're in their way, you're getting hurt.
I respect that Goons are probably exactly what CCP wanted for this game. They are the type of people who make EVE what it is. As such, they can be considered CCP's "favorites". In World of Warcraft, you have the guild Paragon. They cheat and exploit constantly, usually not getting caught but when they do, you will generally find that Blizzard supports them with a claim of "there was no cheating, just clever use of game mechanics". They will take chunks of scripted content and make it obsolete with these glitches. But if you're not Paragon and you do the same thing, expect a one-week ban (I think there was a guild called Exodus on Ysera server that can attest to this). There are very few instances of Paragon being held accountable (first one was on heroic Lich King, and the second was recently, when Looking For Raid came out). They, too, ofer "heartfelt" apologies that lapdogs support. But they go back to doing it all over again. They don't learn, they don't care.
Mittens and Goons will do the exact same thing. The apology is not heartfelt in the slightest. |

TruthState
Summer Vacation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:29:00 -
[1903] - Quote
The op raised very valid concerns and arguments. If you want to be a public representative of the Eve player base, a normal standard of behaviour is expected, instead of the juvenille nature that was shown. I support the op 100%, we expect better from the top echelon thats supposed to represent this community.
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JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:47:00 -
[1904] - Quote
This is the sort of comments we're getting on page 1 over at Massively...
Quote:He is basically the player representative of the EVE community, and as such probably the cream of the crop. And if the cream of the crop is an absolute scumbag, I think it's safe to safe that EVE is rife with them.
The Mittani crossed the line into unacceptable, and he has to go. If he doesn't man up, CCP has to remove him. |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:47:00 -
[1905] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked. it doesn't matter if I am an alt or CEO of Pendamic Legion. I am expressing my concern as a valid subscriber of this game. I pay plex for this game. You pay plex for this game. An alt or a nobody i may be, but i am entitled with same right as others.
The right to shut the **** up and stop being such a *****.
God, go kill yourself. (in game) |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:51:00 -
[1906] - Quote
TruthState wrote:The op raised very valid concerns and arguments. If you want to be a public representative of the Eve player base, a normal standard of behaviour is expected, instead of the juvenille nature that was shown. I support the op 100%, we expect better from the top echelon thats supposed to represent this community.
Hey dumbass.
He is not the public representitive of eve online to the outside world..
He is the player representative to the developers.
There IS a difference.
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TruthState
Summer Vacation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:54:00 -
[1907] - Quote
You have a problem with reading comprehension...
Fatal Ascension duder.
Read it again what i was saying. |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:55:00 -
[1908] - Quote
Princess Nana wrote:EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go.
No, It was not.
He did not give the players real name.
He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed.
In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others.
I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you.
this is eve so HTFU.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:56:00 -
[1909] - Quote
TruthState wrote:The op raised very valid concerns and arguments. If you want to be a public representative of the Eve player base, a normal standard of behaviour is expected, instead of the juvenille nature that was shown. I support the op 100%, we expect better from the top echelon thats supposed to represent this community.
Would this be the same standard of behavior that has a thread full of people turning someone who is supposedly mentally unstable into their own personal property just so they can take someone they don't like in an internet spaceship game down a peg or two? |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:00:00 -
[1910] - Quote
TruthState wrote:You have a problem with reading comprehension...
Fatal Ascension duder.
Read it again what i was saying.
No, I do not.
In the 5 plus years that I have been playing this game. I have seen and heard much worse. This is a cutthroat game and this guy was not and will not be the last poor soul to give some sob story about how he wants to kill himself for loosing 23 ships at one time.
Was it wrong to make a joke about the guy's attempt to gain sympathy? Sure. I will give you that. But its not something that is at all uncommon in eve online. Mittens apologized to the pilot, and they have settled the matter privately and he issued a public apology. I can accept that. It's over and done with.
If you want to play a game where everyone is touchy feely and worried about feelings. You should check out hello kitty online. |
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:01:00 -
[1911] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:TruthState wrote:The op raised very valid concerns and arguments. If you want to be a public representative of the Eve player base, a normal standard of behaviour is expected, instead of the juvenille nature that was shown. I support the op 100%, we expect better from the top echelon thats supposed to represent this community.
Would this be the same standard of behavior that has a thread full of people turning someone who is supposedly mentally unstable into their own personal property just so they can take someone they don't like in an internet spaceship game down a peg or two?
You seem concerned that some people may think they are better than you.
Maybe they think they are better than you because they are? |

TruthState
Summer Vacation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:04:00 -
[1912] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:TruthState wrote:The op raised very valid concerns and arguments. If you want to be a public representative of the Eve player base, a normal standard of behaviour is expected, instead of the juvenille nature that was shown. I support the op 100%, we expect better from the top echelon thats supposed to represent this community.
Would this be the same standard of behavior that has a thread full of people turning someone who is supposedly mentally unstable into their own personal property just so they can take someone they don't like in an internet spaceship game down a peg or two?
Your looking at peoples personal bias. I have no personal bias here myself. Im looking at the general act of what the Mittan didi. To me its repulsive that someone is actively pursuing cyber bullying, at someone that basically confided in someone about their in real life. It is very clear what the mittanis intention was when you look at the video. This is not the conduct that is expected from the top ingame player representative of the eve player base.
The Mittani wants to be a public figure, and more is expected out of our public figurse to respect the rules set forth by Eve Online, and the EULA.
This is not about personal bias, this is all about what was said. And thats the difference. |

Myxx
Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance
505
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:04:00 -
[1913] - Quote
Aker Krane wrote:Shandir wrote:The real problem here is that it is blatantly obvious that a significant portion of people on the forums think this behavior is acceptable, and unless CCP makes it clear that this behavior is not acceptable - they are condoning it.
This is public, blatant and offensive - if there is a better picture case of why this isn't okay, it would require someone to be seriously hurt. Let's not wait until that example happens. Put a foot down firmly now. This. Our little game is about to learn a lesson about consequences over this. When you are a public figure, what you say has consequences. Thanks Mittens for making this game the poster child for internet bullying. Intended or not. You get a well deserved "F" for this. For those of you defending this: Smarten up. CCP: Cut him loose. There is nothing positive that holding on to him will bring. There are larger consequences here than what he said. Good luck to you all on this one.
This.
Mittens, I already had a poor opinion of you... I didn't think it could get any worse. Thanks for proving that it always can.
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orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:04:00 -
[1914] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Snow Axe wrote:TruthState wrote:The op raised very valid concerns and arguments. If you want to be a public representative of the Eve player base, a normal standard of behaviour is expected, instead of the juvenille nature that was shown. I support the op 100%, we expect better from the top echelon thats supposed to represent this community.
Would this be the same standard of behavior that has a thread full of people turning someone who is supposedly mentally unstable into their own personal property just so they can take someone they don't like in an internet spaceship game down a peg or two? You seem concerned that some people may think they are better than you. Maybe they think they are better than you because they are?
Why are you insulting this man? Don't you realize that all you are is a cyber bully. What if he is unstable. What if because of the words you said on an internet forum he harms himself? |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:05:00 -
[1915] - Quote
Shitposting is only natural when your head is stuck so deep up your arse. Sometimes it affects ones judgement. In your case, severely.
Try to leave your basement now and then, if you mingle with people in the real world for a few years, you may understand the gravity of what our beloved Mittens did.
orphenshadow wrote:Princess Nana wrote:EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go. No, It was not. He did not give the players real name. He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed. In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others. I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you. this is eve so HTFU.
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:07:00 -
[1916] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Silas Kautsuo wrote:Kyle Yanowski wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:There can't possibly be this many ***** ass faggots who play Eve online. The guy Mittens called out needs to harden the **** up, you butthurt faggots need to harden the **** up and go back to your asteroid mining, no one gives a ****. Feller. You know nothing of being hard. Even hard men break. I do hope none of those defending the incitement or who find it funny every have to deal with depression or anxiety, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, though maybe then they might get some perspective on why Mittani's actions weren't acceptable. Wow. Depression nor anxiety were the issue. Being pissed off at losing 20 odd Macks and wanting the Goons to feel bad about it was the issue. The Mittani has seen hundreds of similar EVE mails. Hell, I personally have seen dozens through out the years and I don't go out of my way to kill anyone I'm not at war or red to. This was correctly identified, laughed about, and filed away... but was classic enough to be used as a bad (and admittedly inappropriate) joke long after the incident happened. YouTube and EVE Files are filled with video's depicting similar events, and they are funny as hell in a mean sort of way. No poor suicidal victim was cyber bullied here, in fact no bullying of any kind happened here, feel free to ask him yourself. If The Wiz is fine with the apology and 10 bil, it's really time to shut the hell up about it. This. If this has everyone up in arms, the kind of **** talking that went on during the Pendulum wars would invoke flaming **** from permanently singed rectums the likes of which have not been seen since moses yelled 'Problem, Pharoah?" across the red sea.
Please show the Fanfest youtube links where a member publicly called for his alliance members to harass someone who had claimed to be suicidal.
No such youtube? Yes indeed. Because you like making things up. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:07:00 -
[1917] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:You seem concerned that some people may think they are better than you.
Maybe they think they are better than you because they are?
Well, considering the only argument against Mittens that is actually his doing* is a moral one, it's worth noting that the bulk of his accusers are actually outdoing him in that department while trying to pretend like they're above him somehow. I'm not surprised in the least, mind you, just pointing it out for the sake of myself and anyone else that isn't too frothed up to see the irony.
* anything about this being bad publicity for CCP is entirely CCP's fault, as they not only vetted his presentation, but allowed him to present and even participate in Q&A after the fact despite it being obvious he was very clearly drunk out of his skull
TruthState wrote:This is not about personal bias, this is all about what was said. And thats the difference.
Right, that's why it took so long for anyone to ask what The Wis thought of any of this (a.k.a. the "victim"), and then continue to ignore it when it didn't support the narrative.
This is 100% because it's The Mittani that said it, and if you think otherwise, then you're delusional as hell. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
397
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:10:00 -
[1918] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:Princess Nana wrote:EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go. No, It was not. He did not give the players real name. He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed. In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others. I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you. this is eve so HTFU.
Calling for a player to be openly harassed is a violation of the EULA. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:11:00 -
[1919] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:Shitposting is only natural when your head is stuck so deep up your arse. Sometimes it affects ones judgement. In your case, severely. Try to leave your basement now and then, if you mingle with people in the real world for a few years, you may understand the gravity of what our beloved Mittens did. orphenshadow wrote:Princess Nana wrote:EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go. No, It was not. He did not give the players real name. He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed. In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others. I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you. this is eve so HTFU.
The gravity of what mittens did has no effect on you at all.
The only thing It did was enrage a bunch of people who were already bitter that he wont the election by such a landslide.
He manned up and apologized for his actions. He also went a step further and reached out to the pilot and made amends in private.
I for one accept his apology to the community and think that all of this bandwagon rage is silly.
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orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:13:00 -
[1920] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:orphenshadow wrote:Princess Nana wrote:EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go. No, It was not. He did not give the players real name. He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed. In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others. I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you. this is eve so HTFU. Calling for a player to be openly harassed is a violation of the EULA.
It's not harassment. It's pvp.
If he had given the guys real name and address and asked for people to go and harass the man in real life. I would agree.
But I'm sorry. I think you are terrible at eve and everyone should hunt you down and kill you.
oh wait. I forgot this game is about peace and love, not war, and voilence.
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:14:00 -
[1921] - Quote
Clearly what this is, is the most elaborate hoax to draw attention away from the wardec / aggression mechanics and various other implementations in the future so they can get to work in peace. Sagenod~
/tinfoil
Oh god what happened, oh yes, rawr The Mittani! |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
94
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:17:00 -
[1922] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:Princess Nana wrote:EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go. No, It was not. He did not give the players real name. He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed. In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others. I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you. this is eve so HTFU.
he called out for players to hunt him down and grief him in the same manner he was griefed before. you know.. that part where it affected him so much he expressed a desire 'to end it all'?
you're arguing over semantics where we both know the net result / net effect. alex didnt incite everyone to go and kill his mackinaws, he incited everyone to 'make him kill himself'
his words m8, his words.
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orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:18:00 -
[1923] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:You seem concerned that some people may think they are better than you.
Maybe they think they are better than you because they are? Well, considering the only argument against Mittens that is actually his doing* is a moral one, it's worth noting that the bulk of his accusers are actually outdoing him in that department while trying to pretend like they're above him somehow. I'm not surprised in the least, mind you, just pointing it out for the sake of myself and anyone else that isn't too frothed up to see the irony. * anything about this being bad publicity for CCP is entirely CCP's fault, as they not only vetted his presentation, but allowed him to present and even participate in Q&A after the fact despite it being obvious he was very clearly drunk out of his skull TruthState wrote:This is not about personal bias, this is all about what was said. And thats the difference. Right, that's why it took so long for anyone to ask what The Wis thought of any of this (a.k.a. the "victim"), and then continue to ignore it when it didn't support the narrative. This is 100% because it's The Mittani that said it, and if you think otherwise, then you're delusional as hell.
Exactly.
No one here gives two ***** about "The Wis". He is just their scapegoat to try to get to Mittens.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
397
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:18:00 -
[1924] - Quote
The EULA defines it so. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:18:00 -
[1925] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:[quote=Jessie-A Tassik]You seem concerned that some people may think they are better than you.
Maybe they think they are better than you because they are?
Quote:Well, considering the only argument against Mittens that is actually his doing* is a moral one, it's worth noting that the bulk of his accusers are actually outdoing him in that department while trying to pretend like they're above him somehow. I'm not surprised in the least, mind you, just pointing it out for the sake of myself and anyone else that isn't too frothed up to see the irony.
* anything about this being bad publicity for CCP is entirely CCP's fault, as they not only vetted his presentation, but allowed him to present and even participate in Q&A after the fact despite it being obvious he was very clearly drunk out of his skull
I'm sorry, how are we outdoing someone who publicly called for thousands of attack dogs to grief someone?
I know, I know, just string nonsense together. Most people will think they don't "get it". I get it just fine. You are spinning and lying and if the current nonsense doesn't work you'll just switch to something else.
I mean really, "we are outdoing the Mittani". Really.
You guys truly come unglued when anyone is mean to you, don't you? |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:19:00 -
[1926] - Quote
I, for one, think former President Clinton deserved every good oral treatment there is from Ms. Lewinsky - with no repercussions whatsoever.
In particular since it has no effect on me at all. No apology needed.
However, the political and corporate world are not as forgiving, and Mr. Clinton had to face the consequences.
And so for Mittens.
Cheers
orphenshadow wrote:MindRanger wrote:Shitposting is only natural when your head is stuck so deep up your arse. Sometimes it affects ones judgement. In your case, severely. Try to leave your basement now and then, if you mingle with people in the real world for a few years, you may understand the gravity of what our beloved Mittens did. orphenshadow wrote:Princess Nana wrote:EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go. No, It was not. He did not give the players real name. He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed. In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others. I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you. this is eve so HTFU. The gravity of what mittens did has no effect on you at all. The only thing It did was enrage a bunch of people who were already bitter that he wont the election by such a landslide. He manned up and apologized for his actions. He also went a step further and reached out to the pilot and made amends in private. I for one accept his apology to the community and think that all of this bandwagon rage is silly. |

Candente
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:19:00 -
[1927] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:You seem concerned that some people may think they are better than you.
Maybe they think they are better than you because they are? Well, considering the only argument against Mittens that is actually his doing* is a moral one, it's worth noting that the bulk of his accusers are actually outdoing him in that department while trying to pretend like they're above him somehow. I'm not surprised in the least, mind you, just pointing it out for the sake of myself and anyone else that isn't too frothed up to see the irony. * anything about this being bad publicity for CCP is entirely CCP's fault, as they not only vetted his presentation, but allowed him to present and even participate in Q&A after the fact despite it being obvious he was very clearly drunk out of his skull TruthState wrote:This is not about personal bias, this is all about what was said. And thats the difference. Right, that's why it took so long for anyone to ask what The Wis thought of any of this (a.k.a. the "victim"), and then continue to ignore it when it didn't support the narrative. This is 100% because it's The Mittani that said it, and if you think otherwise, then you're delusional as hell.
I'm pretty sure "the bulk of his accusers" don't get elected to CSM just to generate bad PR for CSM, CCP, this game, and the general player base of this game. His apology is rather shallow, and quite frankly, the best apology for this starting shitstorm is to resign and possibly appoint a successor that is less inclined to start similar shitstorm during fanfest. |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:19:00 -
[1928] - Quote
I'm also fairly certain that CCP does not consider killing mining barges as greifing. |

Dan Massell
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:22:00 -
[1929] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 people don't agree with you.
does it matter that other 290,000 people are utterly disgusted and sickened? |

Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:24:00 -
[1930] - Quote
So, were we, like, ALL supposed to convo The Wis, or just the people at Fanfest? |
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orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:24:00 -
[1931] - Quote
Yeah because everyone was already looking for any excuse to drag him through the mud. Which is exactly the same in this case.
and we all saw how awesome the US became after Clinton.
MindRanger wrote:I, for one, think former President Clinton deserved every good oral treatment there is from Ms. Lewinsky - with no repercussions whatsoever. In particular since it has no effect on me at all. No apology needed. However, the political and corporate world are not as forgiving, and Mr. Clinton had to face the consequences. And so for Mittens. Cheers orphenshadow wrote:MindRanger wrote:Shitposting is only natural when your head is stuck so deep up your arse. Sometimes it affects ones judgement. In your case, severely. Try to leave your basement now and then, if you mingle with people in the real world for a few years, you may understand the gravity of what our beloved Mittens did. orphenshadow wrote:Princess Nana wrote:EULA was broken. CSM Chairman called out of game for a player in game to be openly harassed. The one who is meant to represent the community has disgraced the community. Time to go. No, It was not. He did not give the players real name. He called out for the in game character to be hunted and killed. In a game that is all about hunting and killing of others. I'm sorry but just because you say that you want to commit suicide over loosing a ship in a game, does not mean that its suddenly some crime for players to come and shoot you or to encourage others to shoot you. this is eve so HTFU. The gravity of what mittens did has no effect on you at all. The only thing It did was enrage a bunch of people who were already bitter that he wont the election by such a landslide. He manned up and apologized for his actions. He also went a step further and reached out to the pilot and made amends in private. I for one accept his apology to the community and think that all of this bandwagon rage is silly.
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
94
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:24:00 -
[1932] - Quote
you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?
its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.
tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute. |

Shandir
Ferocious Felines
67
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:27:00 -
[1933] - Quote
I'm fairly certain that when asked about what 'griefing' or 'harassment' was, CCP said that repeatedly targeting a single person was the *defininition* of harassment.
That's without the fact that The Mittani phrased at as "Make him kill himself", which would be incitement to extreme harassment on it's own.
He broke the EULA, and needs to be punished for it. He said something which was extremely offensive and needs to show genuine remorse. One post and 10b does not make remorse, it covers his ass.
CCP should decide whether whether an account suspension or ban is in order, and the CSM should be asked for input in the decision regarding whether he should be allowed to continue as a CSM, and as a chairman.
But it's simply not in question whether he broke the rules or not. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:29:00 -
[1934] - Quote
Is it okay to post images of chatlogs ere? Could someone please reply? |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:29:00 -
[1935] - Quote
Yes. This is why we have elections. So that the chairman forcefully relieved of his position can appoint his successor?
In Soviet Russia the president can appoint his successor. Everywhere else, not.
Candente wrote:I'm pretty sure "the bulk of his accusers" don't get elected to CSM just to generate bad PR for CSM, CCP, this game, and the general player base of this game. His apology is rather shallow, and quite frankly, the best apology for this starting shitstorm is to resign and possibly appoint a successor that is less inclined to start similar shitstorm during fanfest.
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Chokichi Ozuwara
Lucky Dragon Convenience
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:30:00 -
[1936] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:I for one accept his apology to the community and think that all of this bandwagon rage is silly. Pretty sure no one cares what you think. Just sayin'
Start a corp and do it yourself. You'll fail, but you'll enjoy failing. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:34:00 -
[1937] - Quote
Candente wrote:I'm pretty sure "the bulk of his accusers" don't get elected to CSM just to generate bad PR for CSM, CCP, this game, and the general player base of this game. His apology is rather shallow, and quite frankly, the best apology for this starting shitstorm is to resign and possibly appoint a successor that is less inclined to start similar shitstorm during fanfest.
He didn't generate bad publicity for CCP, CCP did. They put a livestreaming camera in front of a drunk guy and let it linger for a good, long while. They don't get to act all shocked and awed then the drunk guy says something problematic, as drunk people tend to do that. CCP actually vetting his presentation (i.e. having no issue with him even beinging The Wis and the original email up in the first place) is just icing on that cake. |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:36:00 -
[1938] - Quote
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?
its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.
tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute.
It's nothing about that at all.
Its like you said he made his amends.
That's the entire point.
Yes, he ****** up. But he is no different than any one of you or even me. For a lot of these guys, they had their minds made up weeks ago that Mittens was some kind of anti-Christ, No apology will change their minds. They are blinded by their own personal bias.
He is actually a pretty chill and nice guy, and everyone who has actually talked to him or dealt with him can attest to this.
So I think it's a little bit ******** for all of the people who were bitter about his success to suddenly act like they are perfect and have never gotten drunk and said some hurtful **** that they didn't mean.
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
96
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:37:00 -
[1939] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Candente wrote:I'm pretty sure "the bulk of his accusers" don't get elected to CSM just to generate bad PR for CSM, CCP, this game, and the general player base of this game. His apology is rather shallow, and quite frankly, the best apology for this starting shitstorm is to resign and possibly appoint a successor that is less inclined to start similar shitstorm during fanfest. He didn't generate bad publicity for CCP, CCP did. They put a livestreaming camera in front of a drunk guy and let it linger for a good, long while. They don't get to act all shocked and awed then the drunk guy says something problematic, as drunk people tend to do that. CCP actually vetting his presentation (i.e. having no issue with him even beinging The Wis and the original email up in the first place) is just icing on that cake.
the issue wasnt with the email he read out that was in the presentation, it was his comments in the Q & A section m8... CCP cant vet that unless theyve a f**king time machine, and try as he might, i dont think veritas has that kind of coding genius in him. |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:37:00 -
[1940] - Quote
Dan Massell wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 people don't agree with you. does it matter that other 290,000 people are utterly disgusted and sickened?
Do you have a firm statistic to support your argument?
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:39:00 -
[1941] - Quote
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:the issue wasnt with the email he read out that was in the presentation, it was his comments in the Q & A section m8... CCP cant vet that unless theyve a f**king time machine, and try as he might, i dont think veritas has that kind of coding genius in him.
Admittedly, the slide/email was sort of a secondary thing, but it was pretty clear that CCP didn't mind him "going there" so to speak. That's just pretty stupid to do if you're livestreaming this to at minimum a playerbase full of people who have any number of reasons to dislike Mittens already. Letting him present anyway when he was as drunk as he was is doubly stupid. |

Xantor Bludberry
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:41:00 -
[1942] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:I would like to call for the resignation of GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ in regards to his complete misconduct during the Fanfest 2012 Alliance Panel. Per CSM Representative Conduct article of the Council of Stellar Management, all active CSMs are bound to abide by EULA and TOS and are subject to immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion regardless of infraction. As the representative of the best of the EVE players, more stringent stance is given as they are GÇ£expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.GÇ¥ For those who are unfamiliar with The MittaniGÇÖs misconduct, please refer to the link where he knowingly encouraged thousands of potential Fanfest viewers to send mails to an EVE player who has exhibited a history of mental instability, to provoke him to commit suicide. CSMs are elected to exhibit the best of their behaviors, may it be in drinking, partying, or playing EVE, but knowingly encouraging other players to take part in a possible suicide of a player in front of thousands of EVE and non-EVE audiences crosses boundaries. When asked to answer for his misconduct, he only gave a nonchalant answer. He should have been begging on his knees, apologizing for his childish behavior. If a no-name player like me incites thousands of EVE Online players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide, I would have been banned by CCP without question. By the tone of his postings, he is completely unapologetic of his misconduct. Is it ok that because he's the head of CSM, that he can do whatever he wants? For the future of the CSM, please consider the dismissal of The Mittani from CSM. EDIT #1Great job, Mittani the Great. It seems like on the first week of your CSM chairmanship, you are able to garner a distinguished recognition from gaming website. Fantastic job. You make all of us look like idiots. EDIT #2Yes! Another media coverage thanks to Mittani the Great! Keep up the excellent work. EDIT #3Mittani the Great, you really know how to bring media coverage to our beloved game. A+ for your outstanding CSM Chairmanship. More media coverage! EDIT #4People say third time is the charm. Fourth media coverage? I am not sure. EDIT #5Let it rain. Another more thorough media coverage of Mittani the Great's awesomeness. EDIT #6This is certainly a HUGE NEWS now that MASSIVELY is involved. Refer to the following media coverage for in-depth report. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! BUTTHURT DETECTED!!!! Whine MOAR!!!!! OMG, sweet loosers tears!....     This is EVEeeeEeeee!!!!! |

Lord Fargo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:41:00 -
[1943] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?
its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.
tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute. It's nothing about that at all. Its like you said he made his amends. That's the entire point. Yes, he ****** up. But he is no different than any one of you or even me. For a lot of these guys, they had their minds made up weeks ago that Mittens was some kind of anti-Christ, No apology will change their minds. They are blinded by their own personal bias. He is actually a pretty chill and nice guy, and everyone who has actually talked to him or dealt with him can attest to this. So I think it's a little bit ******** for all of the people who were bitter about his success to suddenly act like they are perfect and have never gotten drunk and said some hurtful **** that they didn't mean.
I love FA best pets we have imo
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
96
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:41:00 -
[1944] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?
its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.
tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute. It's nothing about that at all. Its like you said he made his amends. That's the entire point. Yes, he ****** up. But he is no different than any one of you or even me. For a lot of these guys, they had their minds made up weeks ago that Mittens was some kind of anti-Christ, No apology will change their minds. They are blinded by their own personal bias. He is actually a pretty chill and nice guy, and everyone who has actually talked to him or dealt with him can attest to this. So I think it's a little bit ******** for all of the people who were bitter about his success to suddenly act like they are perfect and have never gotten drunk and said some hurtful **** that they didn't mean.
i totally agree... but what im aggitated at is some of these guys coming to alex's defence basically saying cyber bullying is harmless and people should HTFU, and quite obviously saying this while stone cold sober.
difference was mittens said what he said practically wasted, and these pricks are saying "...ohh yahh +1 to that' without the rediculous drunken haze and moral vacuum that can sometimes follow it.
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Shandir
Ferocious Felines
69
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:42:00 -
[1945] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?
its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.
tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute. It's nothing about that at all. Its like you said he made his amends. That's the entire point. Yes, he ****** up. But he is no different than any one of you or even me. For a lot of these guys, they had their minds made up weeks ago that Mittens was some kind of anti-Christ, No apology will change their minds. They are blinded by their own personal bias. He is actually a pretty chill and nice guy, and everyone who has actually talked to him or dealt with him can attest to this. So I think it's a little bit ******** for all of the people who were bitter about his success to suddenly act like they are perfect and have never gotten drunk and said some hurtful **** that they didn't mean.
I think so far in my life I have never laughed and told someone to go kill themselves. Much less told "six thousand of my closest friends" to also go tell someone to go kill themselves. If this had been a person who was genuinely unhappy, to whom EVE is important (much like it is to The Mittani), then this level of planned methodical abuse could easily be devastating.
Do you really deny that in slightly different circumstances, his actions could have caused serious harm to another player? That his actions were with little regard to what damage they might cause? |

riverini
Reliables Inc Initiative Mercenaries
509
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:42:00 -
[1946] - Quote
Poasting in an EPIC threadnaught!
haven't seen one like this since the old forums - suddenly i feel alive again!           
see you on page 150 RIVERINI / EVENEWS24 @evenews24 |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:45:00 -
[1947] - Quote
Shandir wrote:I think so far in my life I have never laughed and told someone to go kill themselves. Much less told "six thousand of my closest friends" to also go tell someone to go kill themselves. If this had been a person who was genuinely unhappy, to whom EVE is important (much like it is to The Mittani), then this level of planned methodical abuse could easily be devastating.
Do you really deny that in slightly different circumstances, his actions could have caused serious harm to another player? That his actions were with little regard to what damage they might cause?
A ton of media exposure (particularly interviews wanting to know if you really are considering suicide over a video game - a double dose of humiliation, unfortunately) would have been far worse than anything that would have happened to him in-game. |

Shandir
Ferocious Felines
69
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:49:00 -
[1948] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Shandir wrote:I think so far in my life I have never laughed and told someone to go kill themselves. Much less told "six thousand of my closest friends" to also go tell someone to go kill themselves. If this had been a person who was genuinely unhappy, to whom EVE is important (much like it is to The Mittani), then this level of planned methodical abuse could easily be devastating.
Do you really deny that in slightly different circumstances, his actions could have caused serious harm to another player? That his actions were with little regard to what damage they might cause? A ton of media exposure (particularly interviews wanting to know if you really are considering suicide over a video game - a double dose of humiliation, unfortunately) would have been far worse than anything that would have happened to him in-game.
So, what you're saying is - you were only planning on bullying him just enough to make him more miserable, but all those mean people in the media - they just don't know where the line is?
One or more of these sorts of cases need to be publicised, and the people involved punished harshly enough that people like the goons realise it's not acceptable anymore.
There is a line, and by being an apologist here, you are on the wrong side of it. |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:50:00 -
[1949] - Quote
I'm pretty sure the job description as CSM Chairman includes the words "community", "communication" and "manager".
Which implicitly makes it a position reporting to the PR department (I'm pretty sure the PR department employs 3x the amount of people than the programmers department, anyway)
Further more, the PR department should not under any circumstance employ people who can not represent their corporation or organisation, under heavy influence of alcohol or drugs - regardless. Alcohol and drugs are considered essential and much needed tools for proper bonding and communication related to their products or services, and as such all employees must maintain self control and better judgement regardless of these external factors.
When cockups occurs, as in the case of Mittens, the subjects are usually quickly relieved of their position, and their (promising) career comes to an unfortunate, but necessary, end.
I'm sure Mittens is a likeable dude all in all, but a major cockup is a major cockup, and somebody will have to take the fall. I'm pretty sure it won't be Hilmar...
Cheers
Snow Axe wrote: He didn't generate bad publicity for CCP, CCP did. They put a livestreaming camera in front of a drunk guy and let it linger for a good, long while. They don't get to act all shocked and awed then the drunk guy says something problematic, as drunk people tend to do that. CCP actually vetting his presentation (i.e. having no issue with him even beinging The Wis and the original email up in the first place) is just icing on that cake.
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:50:00 -
[1950] - Quote
Lord Fargo wrote:orphenshadow wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?
its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.
tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute. It's nothing about that at all. Its like you said he made his amends. That's the entire point. Yes, he ****** up. But he is no different than any one of you or even me. For a lot of these guys, they had their minds made up weeks ago that Mittens was some kind of anti-Christ, No apology will change their minds. They are blinded by their own personal bias. He is actually a pretty chill and nice guy, and everyone who has actually talked to him or dealt with him can attest to this. So I think it's a little bit ******** for all of the people who were bitter about his success to suddenly act like they are perfect and have never gotten drunk and said some hurtful **** that they didn't mean. I love FA best pets we have imo
You should. From the looks of it, they have their nose so far up between the cheeks, they are probably tickling your prostate....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
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orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:57:00 -
[1951] - Quote
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:orphenshadow wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?
its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.
tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute. It's nothing about that at all. Its like you said he made his amends. That's the entire point. Yes, he ****** up. But he is no different than any one of you or even me. For a lot of these guys, they had their minds made up weeks ago that Mittens was some kind of anti-Christ, No apology will change their minds. They are blinded by their own personal bias. He is actually a pretty chill and nice guy, and everyone who has actually talked to him or dealt with him can attest to this. So I think it's a little bit ******** for all of the people who were bitter about his success to suddenly act like they are perfect and have never gotten drunk and said some hurtful **** that they didn't mean. i totally agree... but what im aggitated at is some of these guys coming to alex's defence basically saying cyber bullying is harmless and people should HTFU, and quite obviously saying this while stone cold sober. difference was mittens said what he said practically wasted, and these pricks are saying "...ohh yahh +1 to that' without the rediculous drunken haze and moral vacuum that can sometimes follow it.
I can respect that, and My initial reaction was HTFU.
Not so much about what was said. Because no I don't agree with what was said at all. I am not saying that cyber bullying is without harm.
But we (eve players) are by and large a bunch of jerks. We say hurtful things to each other all the time. We have some of the most personal and most bitter rivalries of any game. In no other game is there that level of hatred towards the enemy and emotions expressed.
And in this situation Alex owned to his mistake. He not only issued an apology to all of us. But he went out of his way to make things right with the pilot he wronged.
If the pilot who was wronged has no problem accepting the apology and moving forward. Then what right does anyone have to stand on their soap boxes and exploit the situation for their own political gains?
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Lord Fargo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:00:00 -
[1952] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Lord Fargo wrote:orphenshadow wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?
its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.
tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute. It's nothing about that at all. Its like you said he made his amends. That's the entire point. Yes, he ****** up. But he is no different than any one of you or even me. For a lot of these guys, they had their minds made up weeks ago that Mittens was some kind of anti-Christ, No apology will change their minds. They are blinded by their own personal bias. He is actually a pretty chill and nice guy, and everyone who has actually talked to him or dealt with him can attest to this. So I think it's a little bit ******** for all of the people who were bitter about his success to suddenly act like they are perfect and have never gotten drunk and said some hurtful **** that they didn't mean. I love FA best pets we have imo You should. From the looks of it, they have their nose so far up between the cheeks, they are probably tickling your prostate....  Makes them feel relevant so I'm content with that |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:01:00 -
[1953] - Quote
Lord Fargo wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Lord Fargo wrote:orphenshadow wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:you know the funny part of this whole threadnaught?
its moved away from alex in my books, he's made amends. its all the little CFC minions to blind by a 'mittani crush' to actually realise and acknowledge that their king is in fact fallible.
tho i dont expect half of them to understand the posh words i used in the sentence above, and the rest to be using a thesaurus at this very minute. It's nothing about that at all. Its like you said he made his amends. That's the entire point. Yes, he ****** up. But he is no different than any one of you or even me. For a lot of these guys, they had their minds made up weeks ago that Mittens was some kind of anti-Christ, No apology will change their minds. They are blinded by their own personal bias. He is actually a pretty chill and nice guy, and everyone who has actually talked to him or dealt with him can attest to this. So I think it's a little bit ******** for all of the people who were bitter about his success to suddenly act like they are perfect and have never gotten drunk and said some hurtful **** that they didn't mean. I love FA best pets we have imo You should. From the looks of it, they have their nose so far up between the cheeks, they are probably tickling your prostate....  Makes them feel relevant so I'm content with that
Confirmed as truth.
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
81
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:04:00 -
[1954] - Quote
... How the **** is this still going?
Go kill yourselves. |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:05:00 -
[1955] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:... How the **** is this still going?
Go kill yourselves.
Okay :(
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:08:00 -
[1956] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:... How the **** is this still going?
Go kill yourselves. It is still going because members of goonswarm keep saying stupid things. This is just reinforcing the issue that a lot of you just don't have a clue.
Due to the publicity and this tread as well as all the others it will probably be resolved by DT when he is forced to resign if not worse. Because goons don't seem to know when to be quiet. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
96
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:08:00 -
[1957] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:... How the **** is this still going?
Go kill yourselves.
i think people seriously want to get to 100 pages! |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:09:00 -
[1958] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Orkasm wrote:... How the **** is this still going?
Go kill yourselves. It is still going because members of goonswarm keep saying stupid things. This is just reinforcing the issue that a lot of you just don't have a clue. Due to the publicity and this tread as well as all the others it will probably be resolved by DT when he is forced to resign if not worse. Because goons don't seem to know when to be quiet.
You obviously don't have a clue about Goons.... |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:14:00 -
[1959] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Orkasm wrote:... How the **** is this still going?
Go kill yourselves. It is still going because members of goonswarm keep saying stupid things. This is just reinforcing the issue that a lot of you just don't have a clue. Due to the publicity and this tread as well as all the others it will probably be resolved by DT when he is forced to resign if not worse. Because goons don't seem to know when to be quiet. You obviously don't have a clue about Goons.... As they will be remembered as the corp who lost 10058 votes do I need to? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:16:00 -
[1960] - Quote
The main difference here being, neither you nor me are representing CCP - so we can tell anybody to F..off and go kill themselves, in the most hurtful way possible. In worst case we'll receive a ban for breaking the TOS/EULA/etc.
However, CCP and their employees, can not do this. In particular when its encouraging a major part of the EVE community, in which he is no less a major motivational figure - to harass another (apparently suicidal) player, to efficiently speed up the suicide process.
What may appear as a very thin and insignificant line said by a player, is in fact a massive grand canyon said by a person employed by CCP. It may appear as a relatively harmless joke to you, but really is (insert legal mumbo jumbo here) very serious for other people. In fact, his statement can be prosecuted in most countries and on most continents, exception being Somalia or something. And, you should think he, being a lawyer and all, would know this...
This case is, as we rant on this forum, a significant liability on CCP's end. If that dude (the subject of Mittanis outburst) actually hurts himself directly or indirectly (regardless of relation to Mittens verbal or written outbursts), a massive lawsuit is potentially piling up in the horizon...
Just my $0.02
orphenshadow wrote:But we (eve players) are by and large a bunch of jerks. We say hurtful things to each other all the time. We have some of the most personal and most bitter rivalries of any game. In no other game is there that level of hatred towards the enemy and emotions expressed. |
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Lord Fargo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:18:00 -
[1961] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:orphenshadow wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Orkasm wrote:... How the **** is this still going?
Go kill yourselves. It is still going because members of goonswarm keep saying stupid things. This is just reinforcing the issue that a lot of you just don't have a clue. Due to the publicity and this tread as well as all the others it will probably be resolved by DT when he is forced to resign if not worse. Because goons don't seem to know when to be quiet. You obviously don't have a clue about Goons.... As they will be remembered as the corp who lost 10058 votes do I need to?
I didn't vote , doesn't really concern me, I'm more of a ladies man than a voting man, I was too busy wining and dining your mother at the time, it was simply breathtaking that night... |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:22:00 -
[1962] - Quote
Lord Fargo wrote:Frying Doom wrote:orphenshadow wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Orkasm wrote:... How the **** is this still going?
Go kill yourselves. It is still going because members of goonswarm keep saying stupid things. This is just reinforcing the issue that a lot of you just don't have a clue. Due to the publicity and this tread as well as all the others it will probably be resolved by DT when he is forced to resign if not worse. Because goons don't seem to know when to be quiet. You obviously don't have a clue about Goons.... As they will be remembered as the corp who lost 10058 votes do I need to? I didn't vote , doesn't really concern me, I'm more of a ladies man than a voting man, I was too busy wining and dining your mother at the time, it was simply breathtaking that night... As she passed away years ago...good luck with that. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:27:00 -
[1963] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
Mittani's first reply to this thread shouldn't be forgotten. |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:31:00 -
[1964] - Quote
Riverini, dude...
Put our toons together, we look like an 80's Pornstar version of Starsky & Hutch.
o7
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Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
737
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:35:00 -
[1965] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Orkasm wrote:... How the **** is this still going?
Go kill yourselves. It is still going because members of goonswarm keep saying stupid things. This is just reinforcing the issue that a lot of you just don't have a clue. Due to the publicity and this tread as well as all the others it will probably be resolved by DT when he is forced to resign if not worse. Because goons don't seem to know when to be quiet. You obviously don't have a clue about Goons....
I don't think anyone in their right mind would really care to, as all that censored swearing really doesn't push their agenda very far. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
96
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:43:00 -
[1966] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:Frying Doom wrote: It is still going because members of goonswarm keep saying stupid things. This is just reinforcing the issue that a lot of you just don't have a clue.
Due to the publicity and this tread as well as all the others it will probably be resolved by DT when he is forced to resign if not worse. Because goons don't seem to know when to be quiet.
You obviously don't have a clue about Goons....
....
EnderCapitalG wrote:
He wasn't playing Eve Online, so there is no TOS to violate IRL.
Javajunky wrote:In the words of Dennis Leary - Life Sucks wear a helmet.
Human beings make me sick, everyone is such a p*ssy, I generally can't stand people anymore. Boo hoo... I got scammed in eve and therefore my life sucks. Christ you knowing played a game this is literally about griefing other people...
What this planet needs - Dariwin Theory of Evolution re-introduced for the human race....
If the guy is dead .... can I haz his stuffz?
Kaldaine wrote:
I support your efforts to kill people 100%.
i think he's got a pretty good grasp of what goonswarm are like tbh.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
615
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:46:00 -
[1967] - Quote
Came expecting page 100.
Not amused. |

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
133
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:47:00 -
[1968] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Neither does your apology. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |

Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:49:00 -
[1969] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Neither does your apology.
Quoting for truth. |

Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:54:00 -
[1970] - Quote
If I had 300 bucks worth of isk I wouldn't feel so sad |
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Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:54:00 -
[1971] - Quote
As a battle-hardened forum warrior of the 325th Posting Battalion, I will not rest until this page breaks 100.
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:57:00 -
[1972] - Quote
100... really? |

Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:57:00 -
[1973] - Quote
Just kidding. I'm going to bed right now. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:59:00 -
[1974] - Quote
Devilish Ledoux wrote:Just kidding. I'm going to bed right now.
If only that were true of the pubbies, but hey another day of tears to get me through work.
Chairman for life. |

Candente
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
19
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:03:00 -
[1975] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:
And in this situation Alex owned to his mistake. He not only issued an apology to all of us. But he went out of his way to make things right with the pilot he wronged.
If the pilot who was wronged has no problem accepting the apology and moving forward. Then what right does anyone have to stand on their soap boxes and exploit the situation for their own political gains?
The guy is a victim who's been ridiculed beyond belief (published convo and in-game name). Faced with two choices (excluding the worst choice of suicide in rl of course): either be the bitter man and keep ranting on the CSM chairman and be harassed by the chairman's lackies as long he's playing eve, or take the easy way out by accepting the "donation" and "apology".
Consider he's still playing Eve, it shouldn't be hard to see which is the easier way. And just because mittani issued a half-hearted apology and a bunch of ISK and the guy has not killed himself does not excuse mittani's from receiving a proper punishment for his actions. |

Highauger's animated corpse
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:09:00 -
[1976] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/Fuj0e.jpg
Come on This is Eve, you all know the score |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
449
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:10:00 -
[1977] - Quote
Highauger's animated corpse wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Fuj0e.jpg
Come on This is Eve, you all know the score MY MINISTRY OF PROPAGANDA
100page SNYPA
It's not Rocket Surgery |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:10:00 -
[1978] - Quote
Highauger's animated corpse wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Fuj0e.jpg
Come on This is Eve, you all know the score
You sir are a credit to your alliance. Well Done! |

Krawdad
The Racket
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:11:00 -
[1979] - Quote
Indeed |

Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:12:00 -
[1980] - Quote
pubbies won in the end
(the 100 page snipe that is) |
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:13:00 -
[1981] - Quote
Zagdul no pubbie lol.
Also when we burning down Jita? |

Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
440
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:13:00 -
[1982] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote:pubbies won in the end
(the 100 page snipe that is) Eheh, They've won, untill goonswarm formulates their revenge plan. Then we'll see who won
Bashing the jita statue? hah... "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:15:00 -
[1983] - Quote
Lets try to make "kill yourself" look like an erryday-harmless-joke, so Mittens gets off the hook since "we all do it"
+1 for trying, -2 for being horrible at such...
Highauger's animated corpse wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Fuj0e.jpg
Come on This is Eve, you all know the score
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Lord Fargo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:17:00 -
[1984] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Zagdul no pubbie lol.
Also when we burning down Jita?
He is though and judging by your corp, so are you |

Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
129
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:17:00 -
[1985] - Quote
Unthinkable behaviour.
Get rid of him pls.
About goddamn time.
My EVE YouTube Channel |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
450
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:19:00 -
[1986] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:Lets try to hang on "kill yourself" look like an its-all-we-got, so Mittens' noble and honoureable name gets "dragged-through-the-mud" +1 for trying, -2 for being horrible at such... Highauger's animated corpse wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Fuj0e.jpg
Come on This is Eve, you all know the score
fyp bro
It's not Rocket Surgery |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:22:00 -
[1987] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Zagdul no pubbie lol.
Also when we burning down Jita? Well if you aren't banned for being a terrible poster, the Jita preparation thread is on the forums. |

Xoana Antia
Junk In A Box
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:23:00 -
[1988] - Quote
Do you need more sand? |

Xoana Antia
Junk In A Box
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:23:00 -
[1989] - Quote
For your vagina. |

Xoana Antia
Junk In A Box
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:23:00 -
[1990] - Quote
You have a sandy vagina. |
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Xoana Antia
Junk In A Box
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:24:00 -
[1991] - Quote
This is a bad post. |

Xoana Antia
Junk In A Box
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:24:00 -
[1992] - Quote
Much like the OP. |

Sydious
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:26:00 -
[1993] - Quote
100 pages of bad poasting. 
BTW op, nobody ever takes NPC corp alts seriously, post with your main. |

Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
92
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:27:00 -
[1994] - Quote
Highauger's animated corpse wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Fuj0e.jpg
Come on This is Eve, you all know the score
Thank you for saving this thread |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:28:00 -
[1995] - Quote
Dude... I know you're totally depending on Mittens to keep your space and all, but jeez... This is a bad case of brownnosing... "noble and honoureable name" ... That was uncalled for.
Also, I'm not your bro. I know you'd like to bro me, but no. Sorry. Maybe next time.
Zagdul wrote:MindRanger wrote:Lets try to hang on "kill yourself" look like an its-all-we-got, so Mittens' noble and honoureable name gets "dragged-through-the-mud" +1 for trying, -2 for being horrible at such... Highauger's animated corpse wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Fuj0e.jpg
Come on This is Eve, you all know the score fyp bro |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:30:00 -
[1996] - Quote
Highauger's animated corpse wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Fuj0e.jpg
Come on This is Eve, you all know the score
This has me rolling... Also... **** yes 100 pages. |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:31:00 -
[1997] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:Lets try to make "kill yourself" look like an erryday-harmless-joke, so Mittens gets off the hook since "we all do it" +1 for trying, -2 for being horrible at such... Highauger's animated corpse wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Fuj0e.jpg
Come on This is Eve, you all know the score
Your titans are still getting nerfed... Just sayin' |

Xoana Antia
Junk In A Box
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:32:00 -
[1998] - Quote
Hello page 101, this is, infact, still happening. |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:33:00 -
[1999] - Quote
The first 99 pages |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:34:00 -
[2000] - Quote
Nerfing Titans is fair enough. But nothing beats nerfing Mittens ;)
orphenshadow wrote:MindRanger wrote:Lets try to make "kill yourself" look like an erryday-harmless-joke, so Mittens gets off the hook since "we all do it" +1 for trying, -2 for being horrible at such... Highauger's animated corpse wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Fuj0e.jpg
Come on This is Eve, you all know the score Your titans are still getting nerfed... Just sayin'
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:34:00 -
[2001] - Quote
Resignation is the only option. |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:35:00 -
[2002] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Resignation is the only option.
Or apologizing like a boss, and continuing to serve your constituents like a boss. |

Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:36:00 -
[2003] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people.
You are ridiculous.
mittani, GTFO, enough of you. |

Xoana Antia
Junk In A Box
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:36:00 -
[2004] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Resignation is the only option.
Or you could kill yourself, then you wouldn't have to worry about it. Hey, if we're talking about options... |

Xoana Antia
Junk In A Box
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:36:00 -
[2005] - Quote
... get out. |

AtreusDK1
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:37:00 -
[2006] - Quote
My ***** is still longer than this thread.
Continue |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:38:00 -
[2007] - Quote
Xoana Antia wrote:de4deye wrote:Resignation is the only option. Or you could kill yourself, then you wouldn't have to worry about it. Hey, if we're talking about options... I'm really thinking about doing it, man  |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:38:00 -
[2008] - Quote
AtreusDK1 wrote:My ***** is still longer than this thread.
Continue
On a cold day? Or a mildly warm day? |

Sandra Vellocet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:39:00 -
[2009] - Quote
bump |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:39:00 -
[2010] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Xoana Antia wrote:de4deye wrote:Resignation is the only option. Or you could kill yourself, then you wouldn't have to worry about it. Hey, if we're talking about options... I'm really thinking about doing it, man 
When you do it, do it clean. Think of the poor bastard who has to clean your **** up. Don't be a ****. |
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Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:40:00 -
[2011] - Quote
Hmmm... After they ban him from EVE for a bit, do you think he will go start a WOW guild? |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:42:00 -
[2012] - Quote
Well, if there be no repercussions in this regard, and Mittens keeps his position - I guess it means CCP purportedly condones such behavior, and we can freely and openly encourage anybodys suicide as we see fit.
I don't mind either way, I'm no humanist whatsoever. I just want the rules to be clear, and the same, for everyone.
Xoana Antia wrote:de4deye wrote:Resignation is the only option. Or you could kill yourself, then you wouldn't have to worry about it. Hey, if we're talking about options...
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:42:00 -
[2013] - Quote
Resign, resign, resign! |

Thabiso
Merchants of the Golden Goose
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:42:00 -
[2014] - Quote
99 pages of grief on the wall, 99 pages of grief. We take one down, pass it around, 98 pages of grief on the wall...
Actually got nothing - although I have been considering boycotting the game over this; problem is my accoutns are paid for for another half month so it wont even show as a blip on their radar... |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
452
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:43:00 -
[2015] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:Dude... I know you're totally depending on Mittens to keep your space and all, but jeez... This is a bad case of brownnosing... "noble and honoureable name" ... That was uncalled for. Also, I'm not your bro. I know you'd like to bro me, but no. Sorry. Maybe next time. Zagdul wrote:MindRanger wrote:Lets try to hang on "kill yourself" look like an its-all-we-got, so Mittens' noble and honoureable name gets "dragged-through-the-mud" +1 for trying, -2 for being horrible at such... Highauger's animated corpse wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Fuj0e.jpg
Come on This is Eve, you all know the score fyp bro
You're absolutely correct. FA is horrible at this game, yet we still chased your ass off when you made a horrible attempt at hiring mercs to sbu our space.
I mean... really?
It's bad when you can't beat the bad.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:44:00 -
[2016] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:Well, if there be no repercussions in this regard, and Mittens keeps his position - I guess it means CCP purportedly condones such behavior, and we can freely and openly encourage anybodys suicide as we see fit. I don't mind either way, I'm no humanist whatsoever. I just want the rules to be clear, and the same, for everyone. Xoana Antia wrote:de4deye wrote:Resignation is the only option. Or you could kill yourself, then you wouldn't have to worry about it. Hey, if we're talking about options...
I don't really have any sympathy for anyone who goes around flaunting suicide as a way to gain attention. It detracts from those who are actually in need of help. |

Jack Sparroxx
TURN LEFT
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:44:00 -
[2017] - Quote
I dont care if miteens is an a**hole in game, you cant build a interweb spaceship empire by being nice, so thats part of the game, no biggie. But you have shown the eve comunity your real persona, you are the stereotype schoolyard bully, actively trying to get some one to comit suicide. you are the worst sort of humanbeing walking this earth. You need some serious help mittens. I pitty you.
And thank god for alcohol, makes people do stupid **** and show the world who they really are. Fire the barst*rd, he is a disgrace. |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:46:00 -
[2018] - Quote
Thabiso wrote:99 pages of grief on the wall, 99 pages of grief. We take one down, pass it around, 98 pages of grief on the wall... Actually got nothing - although I have been considering boycotting the game over this; problem is my accoutns are paid for for another half month so it wont even show as a blip on their radar...
Yes, because that makes so much ******* sense.
God are you mental? Oh man.. some guy I don't know was mean to someone else I've never met. I better ragequit eve!!!!!!!
Also.. 102 |

Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
757
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:46:00 -
[2019] - Quote
Quote:Dear viewers back home, it appears that an internal rebellion has broken out in the turbulent political murk that is the goonfleet dot com online forums.
A previously oppressed faction of the goons, styling themselves as the previously silent majority GÇô now a no longer silent majority GÇô are staging what appears to be a coup against themittani GÇô ceo and (still) csm chairman.
While normally such displays of disloyalty which are damaging to the the image of the Goonswarm Federation are dealt with extremly harshly in the form of bans, negreps and worse (dbrb serious posting), in this particular instance this rebelious group has the backing of none other than SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSOLO (spelling intentional) GÇô the system administrator of the goonfleet dot com forums.
Due to most recent events covered by various online internet news internet sites surrounding TheMittani (still csm chairman, but not much longer and also still GSF CEO but possibly for not much longer) a number of goons have started an internal poll to dispose (and also depose) of TheMittani from the position of the CEO.
While the poll appears to be still in progress and the result is uncertain, one thing is however quite certain. There is a very large group of goons, previously silent, who disagree with TheMittani leadership of the alliance.
There are rummors from several sources that the direction of the entire alliance is in question with the rebelious faction being very interested in highsec, missions and pve content in general. Their rallying position however is the opposition to pro-suicide stance of TheMittani.
I will continue to deliver inside intel reporting as the situation progresses.
veilorinni
Quote:2012.03.27 06:50 Combat Your group of The Mittani's hits CCP's bottom line perfectly causing $$$$$$$ damage. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:46:00 -
[2020] - Quote
forums gone screwy with what was going to post so deleted what it seems to have posted instead of what i put lol |
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orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:47:00 -
[2021] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Quote:Dear viewers back home, it appears that an internal rebellion has broken out in the turbulent political murk that is the goonfleet dot com online forums.
A previously oppressed faction of the goons, styling themselves as the previously silent majority GÇô now a no longer silent majority GÇô are staging what appears to be a coup against themittani GÇô ceo and (still) csm chairman.
While normally such displays of disloyalty which are damaging to the the image of the Goonswarm Federation are dealt with extremly harshly in the form of bans, negreps and worse (dbrb serious posting), in this particular instance this rebelious group has the backing of none other than SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSOLO (spelling intentional) GÇô the system administrator of the goonfleet dot com forums.
Due to most recent events covered by various online internet news internet sites surrounding TheMittani (still csm chairman, but not much longer and also still GSF CEO but possibly for not much longer) a number of goons have started an internal poll to dispose (and also depose) of TheMittani from the position of the CEO.
While the poll appears to be still in progress and the result is uncertain, one thing is however quite certain. There is a very large group of goons, previously silent, who disagree with TheMittani leadership of the alliance.
There are rummors from several sources that the direction of the entire alliance is in question with the rebelious faction being very interested in highsec, missions and pve content in general. Their rallying position however is the opposition to pro-suicide stance of TheMittani.
I will continue to deliver inside intel reporting as the situation progresses.
veilorinni
It's a pretty 50/50 vote currently... A lot of goons are also buttmad about this.
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
397
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:48:00 -
[2022] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Would this have reached this level of care if it had been anyone else on the csm panel? No.
The only reason this is being brought up is that some buthurt people saw an opening to attack The Mittani and try to get him removed.
So, the only real question is will ccp see this for what it is - a thinly veiled attack of opportunity, or will they start banning people in Eve for harrasment, racism, discrimination, hatred and griefing? Because there wont be many people left if they do. Sucide via social media and online bullying is a major news topic in the US and the developed world. A mention of Eve or CCP in the news will set back their PR efforts by half a decade as Joe Public and investors steer clear of CCP's products (Eve, Dust, World of Darkness etc).
I agree. What I am saying is that if it had been anyone else who said it, it would have never received any attention. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:51:00 -
[2023] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Quote:Dear viewers back home, it appears that an internal rebellion has broken out in the turbulent political murk that is the goonfleet dot com online forums.
A previously oppressed faction of the goons, styling themselves as the previously silent majority GÇô now a no longer silent majority GÇô are staging what appears to be a coup against themittani GÇô ceo and (still) csm chairman.
While normally such displays of disloyalty which are damaging to the the image of the Goonswarm Federation are dealt with extremly harshly in the form of bans, negreps and worse (dbrb serious posting), in this particular instance this rebelious group has the backing of none other than SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSOLO (spelling intentional) GÇô the system administrator of the goonfleet dot com forums.
Due to most recent events covered by various online internet news internet sites surrounding TheMittani (still csm chairman, but not much longer and also still GSF CEO but possibly for not much longer) a number of goons have started an internal poll to dispose (and also depose) of TheMittani from the position of the CEO.
While the poll appears to be still in progress and the result is uncertain, one thing is however quite certain. There is a very large group of goons, previously silent, who disagree with TheMittani leadership of the alliance.
There are rummors from several sources that the direction of the entire alliance is in question with the rebelious faction being very interested in highsec, missions and pve content in general. Their rallying position however is the opposition to pro-suicide stance of TheMittani.
I will continue to deliver inside intel reporting as the situation progresses.
veilorinni We'll just have to wait and see where this goes. Most likely resignation from CSM and CEO. We will see. |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:51:00 -
[2024] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Would this have reached this level of care if it had been anyone else on the csm panel? No.
The only reason this is being brought up is that some buthurt people saw an opening to attack The Mittani and try to get him removed.
So, the only real question is will ccp see this for what it is - a thinly veiled attack of opportunity, or will they start banning people in Eve for harrasment, racism, discrimination, hatred and griefing? Because there wont be many people left if they do. Sucide via social media and online bullying is a major news topic in the US and the developed world. A mention of Eve or CCP in the news will set back their PR efforts by half a decade as Joe Public and investors steer clear of CCP's products (Eve, Dust, World of Darkness etc). I agree. What I am saying is that if it had been anyone else who said it, it would have never received any attention.
I think we should just make Riverini the Chairman.
Then watch the game fall apart. |

Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
77
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:52:00 -
[2025] - Quote
Ok, next time I'm primaried I'll start screaming "omg, omg, I'll may just suicide myself!" and blame the enemy FC for encouraging others to keep harassing me. Good idea.
Being depressed.
Playing an internet videogame whose motto is "adapt or die".
What can go wrong? << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:52:00 -
[2026] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Would this have reached this level of care if it had been anyone else on the csm panel? No.
The only reason this is being brought up is that some buthurt people saw an opening to attack The Mittani and try to get him removed.
So, the only real question is will ccp see this for what it is - a thinly veiled attack of opportunity, or will they start banning people in Eve for harrasment, racism, discrimination, hatred and griefing? Because there wont be many people left if they do. Sucide via social media and online bullying is a major news topic in the US and the developed world. A mention of Eve or CCP in the news will set back their PR efforts by half a decade as Joe Public and investors steer clear of CCP's products (Eve, Dust, World of Darkness etc). I agree. What I am saying is that if it had been anyone else who said it, it would have never received any attention. "Anybody else" doesn't have the kind of persona and visibility he does. Of course it would have to be him. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:53:00 -
[2027] - Quote
There has been some concern about the stability of the CFC as a whole.
As most everyone knows we are an extremely proud organization and we put a lot of stake into our honor and reputation.
This is literally driving a stake between the coalition.
I have already started moving assets out of our space |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:54:00 -
[2028] - Quote
I think we all agree on this particular part, but I'm shamelessly born without the talent to segregate the ones 'flaunting' and the ones in dire need of help.
To be honest, I wouldn't know the difference until the gravel hits the coffin... and as such, I try not to encourage people who may or may not be eligible...
I also react in a particular negative way when others, including very public figures such as community leaders, tells me to encourage other people to suicide.
orphenshadow wrote: I don't really have any sympathy for anyone who goes around flaunting suicide as a way to gain attention. It detracts from those who are actually in need of help.
|

Richter Enderas
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Friends Please Ignore
39
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:55:00 -
[2029] - Quote
itt: abloo bloo bloo |

Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
635
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:55:00 -
[2030] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:I think we should just make Riverini the Chairman.
Let's not get rash here.
|
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orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:58:00 -
[2031] - Quote
I have to wonder tho...
How many people in this game are unstable and might commit suicide.
It almost makes me want to set aside my rocket launchers and gun's and go mine some rocks.
I couldn't fathom knowing that I might have ruined someones day. |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:58:00 -
[2032] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:orphenshadow wrote:I think we should just make Riverini the Chairman. Let's not get rash here.
Well thats obviously the only answer. |

Death Killer21
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:01:00 -
[2033] - Quote
He should be removed. That should be a bannable offence. If CCP keep him then i quit my sub and im going to start writing reviews to give CCP a bad name. This is wrong and people like this dont deserve to be CSM Death killer21
Caldari and amarr Mission service.-á Contact me for more info |

orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:02:00 -
[2034] - Quote
Death Killer21 wrote:He should be removed. That should be a bannable offence. If CCP keep him then i quit my sub and im going to start writing reviews to give CCP a bad name. This is wrong and people like this dont deserve to be CSM
Cool story bro. |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
52
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:02:00 -
[2035] - Quote
The most simple way to solve this whole issue - Resign. |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:04:00 -
[2036] - Quote
Riverini is unfortunately not as articulate as Mittens, and would most likely be spending more time digging into the dictionary than he would be telling people to encourage suicide.
Apart from that, he might have worked out just alright, at least for us outside of the CFC it'd probably be better... :)
orphenshadow wrote:I think we should just make Riverini the Chairman.
Then watch the game fall apart. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
139
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:04:00 -
[2037] - Quote
de4deye wrote:The most simple way to solve this whole issue - Resign.
I like this because it solves literally nothing. |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:05:00 -
[2038] - Quote
Utchytotty for CSM Chairwoman!
(And welcome page 103)
Death Killer21 wrote:He should be removed. That should be a bannable offence. If CCP keep him then i quit my sub and im going to start writing reviews to give CCP a bad name. This is wrong and people like this dont deserve to be CSM |

Bella Rugente
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:07:00 -
[2039] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:Utchytotty for CSM Chairwoman! (And welcome page 103) Death Killer21 wrote:He should be removed. That should be a bannable offence. If CCP keep him then i quit my sub and im going to start writing reviews to give CCP a bad name. This is wrong and people like this dont deserve to be CSM
Can I haz ur stuff? |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
53
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:13:00 -
[2040] - Quote
Mittani = Kevorkian. Resign. |
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orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:20:00 -
[2041] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittani = Kevorkian. Resign.
And what would his resignation solve?
Not a god damned thing.
|

Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
762
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:21:00 -
[2042] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittani = Kevorkian. Resign. And what would his resignation solve? Not a god damned thing.
If by nothing you mean everything, then yes, his resignation would solve everything. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
231
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:23:00 -
[2043] - Quote
titans still nerfed lololol wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |

Xoana Antia
Junk In A Box
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:25:00 -
[2044] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittani = Kevorkian. Resign.
Maybe he lives in Washington, you ever think about that? |

Dhakgar
Next Gen Technology Next Generation Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:41:00 -
[2045] - Quote
i think the mittani should resign not becaues of this (the guy had it coming, i mean really, he got married in the first place... jk)
but because Two Step (even if he doesnt want to) would make a great chairman |

TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:44:00 -
[2046] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:The Mittani has built himself a brand (same as any other celebrity figure), his is that of a brash, offensive super douche but it gets attention inside and outside of eve.
So what more did you expect?
Personally, I see stuff like this and just think "I see what you did there".
God I hate being in a marketing company some times :P
Anyway, If someone can be pushed to suicide by means of mails from the fanbase of a computer game, maybe humanity would be better off without them. Not saying I think that, just posing it as a point for debate. I understand your point I I accept the "Mittani and Goonswarm brand". I have no problem with that. What I expect, especially from someone who represents a part of the community (no matter what part) knows were the limits are and sees when their jokes go to far. Nothing against jokes of that kind in general (some of the other mocks like that were really funny), but as I said, there is a limit. Mittani and Goonsworm crossed that line and I'm sure not out of pure evilness or something but because they lost their touch to reality to some extent. Not everything is a game. Of course it's not that easy when reality and game cross each other like in EvE. You should understand that there are very sensitive people out there. Maybe that mail wasn't real. Maybe you think that humanity would be better without them if they are that unstable. But that is an highly ethical debatte that this platform has really no place for. Things like this can happen, even to a stable person.
You should go watch some marilyn manson interviews.
Same kinda thing but different, it really doesn't matter if you agree with any ethics around what he says or not, the people buying into him do.
Back to Mittani, this thread only goes to show how much more publicity he can get from a couple of glib comments. I'll wager that his backers are all "wooooo mittani", his opersition are all "booooo mittani" and those that hadn't heard of him untill now, well, there's potential new voters. |

Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:57:00 -
[2047] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Arkady Vachon wrote:Besides, if CCP boots Mittani, just how many players are going to leave with him? I would expect that if CCP does boot Mittens even though he's not guilty of anything other than making pubbies mad that a lot of people would find another game to call home. If you look at who is complaining about him it's the same small handful of nutters who don't like Goons in general and they have all latched onto this as their latest attempt to accomplish what they are unable to in-game. Guild Wars 2 coming soon  People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
88
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:58:00 -
[2048] - Quote
Not worth 50mil :( |

Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
460
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:04:00 -
[2049] - Quote
Garnoo wrote:Guild Wars 2 coming soon  GW is a scam. They claim its free2play but they force you to buy every expansion, and if you miss one single expansion you are unable to participate in the PvP content. Every expansion they release a new skill with +1 hp per round extra regen, and none of the PvP groups will accept you without the latest (nearly identical) skill.
I have the collectors edition of every expansion, except im missing Eye of the North... and im not able to participate in the game until i purchase it. No thanks.
And the single player content? If you try to play it today you have no choice but to play with a bunch of NPC henchmen. Most of the missions are virtually empty. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
465
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:07:00 -
[2050] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:Nerfing Titans is fair enough. But nothing beats nerfing Mittens ;)
The truth comes out.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:09:00 -
[2051] - Quote
Hey! Guys on the bandwagon! Dont leave me behind! |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
406
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:09:00 -
[2052] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:MindRanger wrote:Nerfing Titans is fair enough. But nothing beats nerfing Mittens ;)
The truth comes out.
This is basically all that these threads are calling for. Why doesnt matter, it is a call to nerf The Mittani. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
460
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:12:00 -
[2053] - Quote
If Mittani the Great was sincere in his apologies, he would have understood the gravity of his mistake and have apologized when someone questioned his misconduct after the Fanfest.
His nonchalant and rude replies are already solid proof that he had no willingness to apologize.
Only when his chairmanship was threatened and various media coverage brought spotlight to his misconduct, then he decided to write a half-hearted letter of apologies to the community.
Does Mittani the Great thinks we are that dumb to fall for his pathetic attempt to sway the crowd?
He already caused irreparable damage to EVE Online. Keeping him as part of CSM not only tarnish the reputation of CSM and CCP, but sets a horrible horrible precedent for the future fo the game.
Mittani the Great, please do us a favor and resign. |

Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
88
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:13:00 -
[2054] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:If Mittani the Great was sincere in his apologies, he would have understood the gravity of his mistake and have apologized when someone questioned his misconduct after the Fanfest.
His nonchalant and rude replies are already solid proof that he had no willingness to apologize.
Only when his chairmanship was threatened and various media coverage brought spotlight to his misconduct, then he decided to write a half-hearted letter of apologies to the community.
Does Mittani the Great thinks we are that dumb to fall for his pathetic attempt to sway the crowd?
He already caused irreparable damage to EVE Online. Keeping him as part of CSM not only tarnish the reputation of CSM and CCP, but sets a horrible horrible precedent for the future fo the game.
Mittani the Great, please do us a favor and resign.
Do us all a favour and stop posting. |

Sentinel Eeex
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:18:00 -
[2055] - Quote
Rukia Taika wrote:Karadion wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote:[If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions. You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? My moral code is far different from your moral code. You are not allowed to define what my moral code is and that's a fact of life. Morality has always been subjective to interpretation and how we define things to be good and bad on a case by case basis. For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day. "I'm going to kill myself." "Okay. And?" you know that you are only making yourself look stupid here the further this goes. but wishing harm on another human being is just wrong. moral fiber is something insubstantial but how we are raised in respecting one another but it comes down to this is a game. Mittens is a CSM and has violated several rules that can get him removed as a CSM. Being a lawyer he should have realized the implications of what would happen before he opened moth and shoved his **** stained foot in/ and the Goons show their support for mittens it only truely shows the people who you truely are. Karma comes an goes good an bad all will get their just rewards in the end
I will kill myself if anyone posts ANYTHING else in this thread, after this post.
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Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
462
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:18:00 -
[2056] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:If Mittani the Great was sincere in his apologies, he would have understood the gravity of his mistake and have apologized when someone questioned his misconduct after the Fanfest.
His nonchalant and rude replies are already solid proof that he had no willingness to apologize.
Only when his chairmanship was threatened and various media coverage brought spotlight to his misconduct, then he decided to write a half-hearted letter of apologies to the community.
Does Mittani the Great thinks we are that dumb to fall for his pathetic attempt to sway the crowd?
He already caused irreparable damage to EVE Online. Keeping him as part of CSM not only tarnish the reputation of CSM and CCP, but sets a horrible horrible precedent for the future fo the game.
Mittani the Great, please do us a favor and resign. Do us all a favour and stop posting.
Human with some moral decency disagrees with you. If you support Mittani, it pretty much explains that you also support encouraging people with suicidal tendency to commit suicide. |

Sentinel Eeex
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:22:00 -
[2057] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Orkasm wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:If Mittani the Great was sincere in his apologies, he would have understood the gravity of his mistake and have apologized when someone questioned his misconduct after the Fanfest.
His nonchalant and rude replies are already solid proof that he had no willingness to apologize.
Only when his chairmanship was threatened and various media coverage brought spotlight to his misconduct, then he decided to write a half-hearted letter of apologies to the community.
Does Mittani the Great thinks we are that dumb to fall for his pathetic attempt to sway the crowd?
He already caused irreparable damage to EVE Online. Keeping him as part of CSM not only tarnish the reputation of CSM and CCP, but sets a horrible horrible precedent for the future fo the game.
Mittani the Great, please do us a favor and resign. Do us all a favour and stop posting. Human with some moral decency disagrees with you. If you support Mittani, it pretty much explains that you also support encouraging people with suicidal tendency to commit suicide.
Well, you've just killed someone.
Hope you can live with it for the rest of your life.
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Freya Dimaloun
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:22:00 -
[2058] - Quote
Wow the internet is not magical faerie land of happiness and gumdrops. eve is ruthless and speech should not be censored in any way. and why the **** would you say your gunna commit suicide to someone you don't know all that well? to me it seems like this guy was not being serious. i don't know all the facts but if i was scamming someone and they said they were going to kill themselves. i probably would be like whatever have fun. |

Sentinel Eeex
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:23:00 -
[2059] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Karadion wrote: I did not pick the outcome or their threat therefore I am not responsible. These people make those choices out of their own doing.
You can influence the outcome of a threat and if you do that you're partially responsible.
Ok then.
If you post anything else, ever again, I will kill myself.
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Anya Klibor
Error-404
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:24:00 -
[2060] - Quote
Freya Dimaloun wrote:Wow the internet is not magical faerie land of happiness and gumdrops. eve is ruthless and speech should not be censored in any way. and why the **** would you say your gunna commit suicide to someone you don't know all that well? to me it seems like this guy was not being serious. i don't know all the facts but if i was scamming someone and they said they were going to i probably would be like whatever have fun.
I'm sorry, but according to MIttens, the following applies to you:
Quote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything. |
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Bella Rugente
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:24:00 -
[2061] - Quote
We will miss you Sentinel. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
467
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:27:00 -
[2062] - Quote
Freya Dimaloun wrote:Wow the internet is not magical faerie land of happiness and gumdrops. eve is ruthless and speech should not be censored in any way. and why the **** would you say your gunna commit suicide to someone you don't know all that well? to me it seems like this guy was not being serious. i don't know all the facts but if i was scamming someone and they said they were going to i probably would be like whatever have fun.
You are absolutely right. We don't care if people scam. It was COMPLETELY OK for Mittani to harras that unfortunate miner ingame. What became a big problem is that he, in front of thousands of audiences (both live and stream attendees), exhibited the best of EVE Online behavior by knowingly encouraging thousands of others to provoke a person with known suicidal tendency, to actually commit suicide.
By keeping Mittani as CSM, we are basically telling the world that it is completely ok to harras and drive others to commit suicide, and that CCP COMPLETELY SUPPORTS it! |

Fenrir Cesaille
Mercs of Vengeance The Methodical Alliance
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:28:00 -
[2063] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:Freya Dimaloun wrote:Wow the internet is not magical faerie land of happiness and gumdrops. eve is ruthless and speech should not be censored in any way. and why the **** would you say your gunna commit suicide to someone you don't know all that well? to me it seems like this guy was not being serious. i don't know all the facts but if i was scamming someone and they said they were going to i probably would be like whatever have fun. I'm sorry, but according to MIttens, the following applies to you: Quote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything. there that better... i got bored and made this =D EVE is ruthless |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
147
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:29:00 -
[2064] - Quote
"Scamming and griefing is fine so long as it's not the criteria we're trying to use to get The Mittani banned, but if it fits the criteria we're using to get The Mittani banned, then THE MITTANI NEEDS TO BE BANNED!" |

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:32:00 -
[2065] - Quote
Notice who's giving rational arguments in this thread? I do. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |

Fenrir Cesaille
Mercs of Vengeance The Methodical Alliance
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:32:00 -
[2066] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Freya Dimaloun wrote:Wow the internet is not magical faerie land of happiness and gumdrops. eve is ruthless and speech should not be censored in any way. and why the **** would you say your gunna commit suicide to someone you don't know all that well? to me it seems like this guy was not being serious. i don't know all the facts but if i was scamming someone and they said they were going to i probably would be like whatever have fun. You are absolutely right. We don't care if people scam. It was COMPLETELY OK for Mittani to harras that unfortunate miner ingame. What became a big problem is that he, in front of thousands of audiences (both live and stream attendees), exhibited the best of EVE Online behavior by knowingly encouraging thousands of others to provoke a person with known suicidal tendency, to actually commit suicide. By keeping Mittani as CSM, we are basically telling the world that it is completely ok to harras and drive others to commit suicide, and that CCP COMPLETELY SUPPORTS it!
uhh thats shooting pretty far...how about i dress up in womans clothes and post it on the forums. would it then be wrong to ridicule me? no because im putting it out there. that guy put his feelings out there so there free game free game. |

Highauger's animated corpse
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:32:00 -
[2067] - Quote
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Valerius Anthar wrote: I'd like to chime in on this.
I suffer from clinical depression. It varies in severity based on circumstances and the given day, and will pretty much be with me for the rest of my days. I don't keep it under control by bitching and whining about it online, I do it through a mixture of happy pills, exercise, willpower, a good diet, work and routine. I have to agree with Simi that the casual use of suicide as an attention seeker or threat, especially online, only reinforces the stigma about depression not being a disease but a character "defect". People who do this trivialize what isn't trivial, and he/she deserves the abuse they received.
Ultimately, when I was at my zenith, only I could pull myself out. Only I can beat back what Churchill called "the black dog." I will graciously accept the help of family and friends but in the end it's my responsibility to manage my depression and keep buggering on. What I will not do is attempt to guilt trip others, especially strangers, into feeling sorry for me. That is simply pathetic.
Damn your perspective and logic! I'll just add that I went through a period of severe depression myself years ago (bad breakup and consequences). It was not a good time in my life. The hardest part was bringing my family together and letting them know what was happening. But you know what? If, at any point, I had told my family that I was considering killing myself over a ******* video game, my father would have handed me his gun and said "Don't make a mess in the house". There's a huge difference between "cry for help" and "whining drama queen". People need to get some perspective in their lives.
This |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
467
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:34:00 -
[2068] - Quote
Fenrir Cesaille wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Freya Dimaloun wrote:Wow the internet is not magical faerie land of happiness and gumdrops. eve is ruthless and speech should not be censored in any way. and why the **** would you say your gunna commit suicide to someone you don't know all that well? to me it seems like this guy was not being serious. i don't know all the facts but if i was scamming someone and they said they were going to i probably would be like whatever have fun. You are absolutely right. We don't care if people scam. It was COMPLETELY OK for Mittani to harras that unfortunate miner ingame. What became a big problem is that he, in front of thousands of audiences (both live and stream attendees), exhibited the best of EVE Online behavior by knowingly encouraging thousands of others to provoke a person with known suicidal tendency, to actually commit suicide. By keeping Mittani as CSM, we are basically telling the world that it is completely ok to harras and drive others to commit suicide, and that CCP COMPLETELY SUPPORTS it! uhh thats shooting pretty far...how about i dress up in womans clothes and post it on the forums. would it then be wrong to ridicule me? no because im putting it out there. that guy put his feelings out there so there free game free game.
Umm...... no. |

Fenrir Cesaille
Mercs of Vengeance The Methodical Alliance
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:35:00 -
[2069] - Quote
Highauger's animated corpse wrote:Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Valerius Anthar wrote: I'd like to chime in on this.
I suffer from clinical depression. It varies in severity based on circumstances and the given day, and will pretty much be with me for the rest of my days. I don't keep it under control by bitching and whining about it online, I do it through a mixture of happy pills, exercise, willpower, a good diet, work and routine. I have to agree with Simi that the casual use of suicide as an attention seeker or threat, especially online, only reinforces the stigma about depression not being a disease but a character "defect". People who do this trivialize what isn't trivial, and he/she deserves the abuse they received.
Ultimately, when I was at my zenith, only I could pull myself out. Only I can beat back what Churchill called "the black dog." I will graciously accept the help of family and friends but in the end it's my responsibility to manage my depression and keep buggering on. What I will not do is attempt to guilt trip others, especially strangers, into feeling sorry for me. That is simply pathetic.
Damn your perspective and logic! I'll just add that I went through a period of severe depression myself years ago (bad breakup and consequences). It was not a good time in my life. The hardest part was bringing my family together and letting them know what was happening. But you know what? If, at any point, I had told my family that I was considering killing myself over a ******* video game, my father would have handed me his gun and said "Don't make a mess in the house". There's a huge difference between "cry for help" and "whining drama queen". People need to get some perspective in their lives. This *i applaud you sirs*
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Rukia Taika
Allied Operations Jokers Wild.
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:40:00 -
[2070] - Quote
Destru Kaneda wrote:**** this PC bullshit. It was a joke in poor taste, last time I checked that's not a crime. And to be frank, if someone actually kills themselves over this then good riddance.
It may not be crime but you have to look at this way. SCUMBAG Mittan is a CSM member the chairman nonetheless this is a position even how much of a scum bag he is should have showed better control over his mouth but spent time talking as he pulled **** out of his ass or was it his mouth. either way asking a community to email bomb this guy was in poor taste and he should step down but something tells me with all his alts he has been using to post on here to derail everyone from the scene will never happen.
Maybe he will be reminded if he is a lawyer like he says his conduct in the community could possibly be brought to the attention of his peers lose his job or possibly losing his pretty piece of paper that allows him to practice law.
Karma is a wonderful person she is kind and harsh at the same time. |
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Sentinel Eeex
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:41:00 -
[2071] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Freya Dimaloun wrote:Wow the internet is not magical faerie land of happiness and gumdrops. eve is ruthless and speech should not be censored in any way. and why the **** would you say your gunna commit suicide to someone you don't know all that well? to me it seems like this guy was not being serious. i don't know all the facts but if i was scamming someone and they said they were going to i probably would be like whatever have fun. You are absolutely right. We don't care if people scam. It was COMPLETELY OK for Mittani to harras that unfortunate miner ingame. What became a big problem is that he, in front of thousands of audiences (both live and stream attendees), exhibited the best of EVE Online behavior by knowingly encouraging thousands of others to provoke a person with known suicidal tendency, to actually commit suicide. By keeping Mittani as CSM, we are basically telling the world that it is completely ok to harras and drive others to commit suicide, and that CCP COMPLETELY SUPPORTS it!
So why do you keep posting, if I have publicly warned everyone that I will kill myself if anyone else posts?
Why are you not taking me seriously?
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Fenrir Cesaille
Mercs of Vengeance The Methodical Alliance
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:49:00 -
[2072] - Quote
Sentinel Eeex wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Freya Dimaloun wrote:Wow the internet is not magical faerie land of happiness and gumdrops. eve is ruthless and speech should not be censored in any way. and why the **** would you say your gunna commit suicide to someone you don't know all that well? to me it seems like this guy was not being serious. i don't know all the facts but if i was scamming someone and they said they were going to i probably would be like whatever have fun. You are absolutely right. We don't care if people scam. It was COMPLETELY OK for Mittani to harras that unfortunate miner ingame. What became a big problem is that he, in front of thousands of audiences (both live and stream attendees), exhibited the best of EVE Online behavior by knowingly encouraging thousands of others to provoke a person with known suicidal tendency, to actually commit suicide. By keeping Mittani as CSM, we are basically telling the world that it is completely ok to harras and drive others to commit suicide, and that CCP COMPLETELY SUPPORTS it! So why do you keep posting, if I have publicly warned everyone that I will kill myself if anyone else posts? Why are you not taking me seriously? haha i dont care thats for damn sure... =D |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:51:00 -
[2073] - Quote
All credit to mittens for making a sincere effort to address his foolish behaviour, which was not needed according to his acolyte Ladie Harlot.
Boy, I bet ladie harlot feels foolish right now. |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:51:00 -
[2074] - Quote
Once again, I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things.
And, "I cheated my wife, but i was drunk, so its ok" does not pass any more with women. |

YUMAD BRO
Aliastra Gallente Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:53:00 -
[2075] - Quote
OMFG PPL STFU....
It was a Mittens alt and you all have been TROLLED.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NUBS. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
473
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:55:00 -
[2076] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote: All credit to mittens for making a sincere effort to address his foolish behaviour, which was not needed according to his acolyte Ladie Harlot.
Boy, I bet ladie harlot feels foolish right now.
Yes he finally decided to issue an apology, ONLY AFTER his precious CSM Chairmanship was threatened and various news media coverage brought a NEGATIVE spotlight on EVE Online.
In earlier postings, Mittani the Great even tried to lie by telling others that he never said anything about encouraging suicide.
He is pathetic and CCP allowing him to hold the CSM office only shows that CCP also endorces cyber-bullying and encourage players to proactively drive people with suicidal tendencies to commit suicide. |

Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:55:00 -
[2077] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:Once again, I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things.
But many others have continued even after committing greater atrocities. |

Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:56:00 -
[2078] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote: All credit to mittens for making a sincere effort to address his foolish behaviour, which was not needed according to his acolyte Ladie Harlot.
Boy, I bet ladie harlot feels foolish right now.
Yes he finally decided to issue an apology, ONLY AFTER his precious CSM Chairmanship was threatened and various news media coverage brought a NEGATIVE spotlight on EVE Online. In earlier postings, Mittani the Great even tried to lie by telling others that he never said anything about encouraging suicide. He is pathetic and CCP allowing him to hold the CSM office only shows that CCP also endorces cyber-bullying and encourage players to proactively drive people with suicidal tendencies to commit suicide.
Try switching to decaf. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
474
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:56:00 -
[2079] - Quote
YUMAD BRO wrote:OMFG PPL STFU....
It was a Mittens alt and you all have been TROLLED.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NUBS.
Are you just telling us that you are STUPID? If it was Mittani the Great's alt and the whole thing was a play, then he is in a worse position than right now, to lead CSM. Sometimes, I don't understand you and several others' logic. Seriously. |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:57:00 -
[2080] - Quote
No matter what CCP will have to do something about The Mittani because of this. Otherwise lets face it 6 months down the track someone will kill them selves and some sleazy lawyer in the United States, will find out the person tried the trial account and played for 2 weeks. Discover the forum posts or news articles and sue CCP over causing the death, via their apathy to suicide. Or worse someone could follow this path again and be serious.
I don't think he should be banned but they have to do something strong. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
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YUMAD BRO
Aliastra Gallente Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:01:00 -
[2081] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:YUMAD BRO wrote:OMFG PPL STFU....
It was a Mittens alt and you all have been TROLLED.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NUBS. Are you just telling us that you are STUPID? If it was Mittani the Great's alt and the whole thing was a play, then he is in a worse position than right now, to lead CSM. Sometimes, I don't understand you and several others' logic. Seriously.
umad bro? |

Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:01:00 -
[2082] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:No matter what CCP will have to do something about The Mittani because of this. Otherwise lets face it 6 months down the track someone will kill them selves and some sleazy lawyer in the United States, will find out the person tried the trial account and played for 2 weeks. Discover the forum posts or news articles and sue CCP over causing the death, via their apathy to suicide. Or worse someone could follow this path again and be serious.
I don't think he should be banned but they have to do something strong.
I'll have you know that it is more likely to be a sleazy Swiss lawyer with a history in banking. |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:04:00 -
[2083] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:Frying Doom wrote:No matter what CCP will have to do something about The Mittani because of this. Otherwise lets face it 6 months down the track someone will kill them selves and some sleazy lawyer in the United States, will find out the person tried the trial account and played for 2 weeks. Discover the forum posts or news articles and sue CCP over causing the death, via their apathy to suicide. Or worse someone could follow this path again and be serious.
I don't think he should be banned but they have to do something strong. I'll have you know that it is more likely to be a sleazy Swiss lawyer with a history in banking. Thanks for the correction  Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Jita Alt666
962
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:05:00 -
[2084] - Quote
If posting rates are maintained for another 36 hours this thread will have overtaken the WIS update thread. |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:15:00 -
[2085] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:If posting rates are maintained for another 36 hours this thread will have overtaken the WIS update thread.
Combine the threads and it already has. |

thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:25:00 -
[2086] - Quote
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-27-eve-online-council-chairman-announces-intent-to-resign-apologises-to-the-community
eurogamer article pulished 8 minutes ago I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal.. |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:35:00 -
[2087] - Quote
Thank you for the link. While normally I do not agree with the start a new post, you should probably do that with the eurogamer one. It is a good article. |

Hactar 42
Valhollr Guilty As Charged.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:39:00 -
[2088] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: If you don't agree with mocking stupid people then don't do it. It's not like he was forcing you to do anything.
The Mittani wrote: You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
I must say, now I know even better, why everybody hates goonswarm. almost all of their posts here are of astonishing stupidity and show a contemptuous attitude in the whole.
I find it hard to bear, that there is a circle of players, which obviously has some real power and which is led by a goon - not because most of the eve-players want him to, but because the biggest alliance (full of idiots aand having grown big with the mass-instead-of-class-method) told their members to vote for him.
-- |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
404
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:40:00 -
[2089] - Quote
forming fleet to find the Wis and camp his highsec station.  |

Morphisat
Millard Innovation Inc
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:12:00 -
[2090] - Quote
Why does it take forever for CCP to respond ? |
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Cheeba Don
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Northern Coalition.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:14:00 -
[2091] - Quote
rabble rabble rabble |

uwai223
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:15:00 -
[2092] - Quote
Morphisat wrote:Why does it take forever for CCP to respond ?
Because they have no interest in responding to a bunch hypocrites jumping onto the MORALLY SUPERIOR bandwagon. We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy! |

Tore Vest
289
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:16:00 -
[2093] - Quote
 This game is going places A real highsec carebear. |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
96
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:31:00 -
[2094] - Quote
if any1 hasnt seen it yet, heres the alliance panel @ fanfest where it all happened!
it was near the end where the Q&A was, and imho 99% of it was actually okay. mittens just stupidly stepped over the line with an answer to a question whilst completely wasted and on a typical mittens ego high thinking he was king of eve.
http://youtu.be/gvo08_uYjHI |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
484
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 10:39:00 -
[2095] - Quote
Morphisat wrote:Why does it take forever for CCP to respond ?
I believe CCP is attuning all its focus in resolving this issue.
All human wisdom is contained in these two words, - wait and hope-. |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
221
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:46:00 -
[2096] - Quote
CCPs word must be the last one. CCP must put dot on this thing. |

Memrox
Memrox Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:51:00 -
[2097] - Quote
This is sad, I WILL COMMIT SUICIDE if Mittens says sorry for nothing. Don't you dare test me Mittens I have a bottle of baby lotion here and I will insert it into myself!!!
Mittens is a Boss, you don't mess with a Boss. |

R3dSh1ft
Moon In Scorpio RED.OverLord
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:52:00 -
[2098] - Quote
Kick him out |

Travarica
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:00:00 -
[2099] - Quote
Mittani, go away and never come back (ingame) |

Syndic Thrass
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
108
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:03:00 -
[2100] - Quote
Hey I heard everyone is mad as **** in this thread so whats up
Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8 |
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:04:00 -
[2101] - Quote
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/03/reportedly-suicidal-player-laughed-at-then-trolled-at-eve-online-gathering/
News has gone viral. |

Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:10:00 -
[2102] - Quote
The question is: is his apol-lol-gize honest or just by fear to get perma-banned? |

Syndic Thrass
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
108
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:14:00 -
[2103] - Quote
You are a misunderstood genius I think.
Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8 |

Khersei
Deimos Delivery Co
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:15:00 -
[2104] - Quote
The best thing for EVE , CCP and the gaming community as a whole would be for the mittani to step down as he has offered.
As he has accepted responsibility and offered to do the right thing I dont think this should preclude him from running for the CSM in future. |

hellscure
Army of Dragon
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:16:00 -
[2105] - Quote
"Give the likes of Baldrick the vote and we'll be back to cavorting druids, death by stoning and dung for dinner"
and we are here...
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Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
491
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:25:00 -
[2106] - Quote
Misunderstood Genius wrote:The question is: is his apol-lol-gize honest or just by fear to get perma-banned?
Most likely he acted in response to the unanticipated wide public outcry and the spot lights thrown at his misconduct by various news media.
These are the responses from Mittani the Great prior to this debacle and public outcry:
"You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything."
"~10,058~"
He even lies to all of us by telling us that he never incited the players to send mails to provoke him to commit suicide when there is a video that clearly shows that he is delusional and a liar: "Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for. "
Him justifying his misconduct by telling all of us that what he did abides by the spirit of EVE Online: "Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself."
Since the beginning, he has seen now wrong in him inciting thousands of EVE players to provoke an unfortunate guy to commit suicide. He willingly, knowingly, and deliberately showed misconduct because he sincerely believes that there is nothing wrong with doing so. His responses explain his thoughts.
Do not fall for his "apologies." He only wrote this AFTER he got stream of news media covering his misconducts. He was scared of losing the chairmanship. |

Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:25:00 -
[2107] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
YEAH UM NO Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

Cassian Ruvalcava
Elusive Illusions
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:30:00 -
[2108] - Quote
He should be perma banned for breaking the EULA. |

mrSebastian
Enterprise Estonia Northern Coalition.
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:31:00 -
[2109] - Quote
An honorable man would resign instead of blaming it on alcohol.
You are a disgrace and should not be in the CSM.
Learn some humility. |

knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
91
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:37:00 -
[2110] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: Hypocritical stuff
Who's being the internet persecution troll now then?
Honestly, get over it. You're looking like some kind of village witch hunt dude, who's after his own 5 minutes of fame.
Ever played on Xbox live or PSN? The behaviour and language on voice chat on those is 100x more inflammatory, racist and homophobic. Go an cry about that please.
The funny thing is, I bet this Wis guy is sitting behind his desk laughing at you all for successfully trolling the crap out of you all and providing several days of hilarious over reaction by a bunch of internet drama llamas.
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:37:00 -
[2111] - Quote
Cassian Ruvalcava wrote:He should be perma banned for breaking the EULA.
You clearly don't understand EULA's |

Joe D'Trader
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:43:00 -
[2112] - Quote
Misunderstood Genius wrote:The question is: is his apol-lol-gize honest or just by fear to get perma-banned?
Why don't you ask that on your main? |

Joe D'Trader
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:45:00 -
[2113] - Quote
Cassian Ruvalcava wrote:He should be perma banned for breaking the EULA.
Not that I disagree with you, but can you quote exactly where in the EULA he broke a rule, I need section and subsection. You know people always talking about their constitutional rights and many have never read it and claimming rights that don't exist. Yeah it's kinda like that. |

CNL Jack Oniel
State War Academy Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:50:00 -
[2114] - Quote
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee
from EULA |

Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:51:00 -
[2115] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: Care to clarify what is so wrong in this comment? I find it a good thing that someone points out how cowardly it is to lurk behind an anonymous name while giving opinions. If your cause matters to you, why not comment on your main character?
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Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
765
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:59:00 -
[2116] - Quote
Joe D'Trader wrote:Cassian Ruvalcava wrote:He should be perma banned for breaking the EULA. Not that I disagree with you, but can you quote exactly where in the EULA he broke a rule, I need section and subsection. You know people always talking about their constitutional rights and many have never read it and claimming rights that don't exist. Yeah it's kinda like that.
Section 8, Article A, second paragraph:
Quote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. CCP does not guarantee that you will not encounter behavior of others that you may view as insulting, demeaning, offensive, threatening or harassing. You assume all risk associated with playing the Game, and CCP assumes no responsibility for the conduct of any other players, and shall not be liable to you or any other person for their conduct.
CCP cannot be held liable for what happens, therefore it is reasonable for them to fix this problem by banning the offender. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
503
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:00:00 -
[2117] - Quote
Elena Melkan wrote:Care to clarify what is so wrong in this comment? I find it a good thing that someone points out how cowardly it is to lurk behind an anonymous name while giving opinions. If your cause matters to you, why not comment on your main character?
Such nonchalant statement makes it clear that Mittani the Great has never taken the issue seriously and that just because he received the most votes (yes, approximately 3% of the active EVE Online accounts), he is letting the players know that he is the sole moral authority in EVE Online.
There is NOTHING WRONG with posting "behind an alt." Just like Mittani the Great, I am an active subscriber of this beloved game. And besides, it would be extremely foolish for me to reveal my identity. Mittani the Great is morally corrupt and contemptible, but there is no dispute that he is also the most powerful player in EVE Online. I won't risk revealing myself until Mittani the Great is dismissed from the CSM.
My identity is the least of anyone's concern. You should contemplate about the irreparable damage that Mittani the Great has caused during the last several days. |

Celinei X'Mora
The Fraternal Association of Killer Squibs
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:12:00 -
[2118] - Quote
The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain
This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.
CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules
The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM
So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing
Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work. |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
98
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:18:00 -
[2119] - Quote
personally i think mittens shouldnt be banned from the game or leave the CSM at all.. but giving his chairmanship to the candidate with the next highest number of votes sounds reasonable.
despite his failings in keeping his ego and alter-persona in check he still has a lot to give to the game that could well be beneficial. but his ability to LEAD has been compromised. |

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:19:00 -
[2120] - Quote
Celinei X'Mora wrote:The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain
This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.
CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules
The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM
So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing
Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work.
We are all to blame and nobody has done anything wrong? Honestly, the world is full of people who do bad things, and some of time they don't get caught. But Mittens is the elected representative of the EVE gaming community, and so a higher standard is expected in what he says out of game.
Truth is, he blurred the line between in-game griefing, and out-of-game cyber-bullying. He did it sober, deliberately, and with the intenion to humiliate. Then he got drunk, delivered his presentation, and made a fool of himself. It's the worst kind of press EVE needs right when you have CCP launching a new marketing drive based on player driven news.
So, no, we are not all to blame. |
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Plaude Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:21:00 -
[2121] - Quote
There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
120
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:23:00 -
[2122] - Quote
I'm so depressed form such a turn of events ... I don't know what to do with myself ... to die, to sleep ... to sleep -- perchance to dream ...
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:24:00 -
[2123] - Quote
Celinei X'Mora wrote:We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead.
Errm.... don't you mean their space-king-god just told them to vote for him?
Add to that lots of political manipulations, vote buying, account creations.... 
If the CSM is supposed to represent the community, and thus he's supposed to represent the Goons, what does that say about them?
Personally, i think the chairman should be someone that we can ALL look upto, not just the hordes of his faithful Goon worshipers. Should be someone of the highest caliber, representing all that is good and great about eve.
I guess this just proves once and for all that the eve community is full of dicks.
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Plaude Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:26:00 -
[2124] - Quote
Celinei X'Mora wrote:The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain
This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.
CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules
The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM
So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing
Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work. The only ones who're to blame are the people who voted for The Mittani. Thus, I'm not to blame for any of the stupid things he said at the Fanfest. Why would I be to blame for a griefer's stupid remarks at a gaming-event, when I didn't ever want him in charge of anything and actually voted for someone I believe might be competent?
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:36:00 -
[2125] - Quote
Plaude Pollard wrote:Celinei X'Mora wrote:The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain
This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.
CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules
The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM
So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing
Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work. The only ones who're to blame are the people who voted for The Mittani. Thus, I'm not to blame for any of the stupid things he said at the Fanfest. Why would I be to blame for a griefer's stupid remarks at a gaming-event, when I didn't ever want him in charge of anything and actually voted for someone I believe might be competent?
Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year. |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
134
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:37:00 -
[2126] - Quote
Celinei X'Mora wrote:The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain
This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.
CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules
The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM
So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing
Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work.
Making negative headlines is not likely what CCP would have hoped for.
CSMs represent the player base but they're not a true representation of the demographics of that player base as most people don't even vote. Main reasons most people don't vote, they don't see the point in the CSM and/or they have no real idea who they would be voting for (plus some can't be bothered). It's not like political parties where if you're not sure about the candidate you can still vote for them if you have a party preference.
I think the Mittani should resign as CSM as he said he intends to (if he's not done it already). I have nothing against him personally or the Goons and their associates, although it's obvious that some people posting do.
If he was to stand for CSM next year, I would have no problem with that, that's if CCP are willing to risk it.
Although the one thing that concerns me most about The Mittani as being on the CSM is his attitude about putting his self-interest above anything else. That of course would be ok if your view matched his perfectly.
I'll edit in the quote in a minute. |

Kehro Urgus
236
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:38:00 -
[2127] - Quote
Plaude Pollard wrote:Celinei X'Mora wrote:The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain
This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.
CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules
The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM
So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing
Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work. The only ones who're to blame are the people who voted for The Mittani. Thus, I'm not to blame for any of the stupid things he said at the Fanfest. Why would I be to blame for a griefer's stupid remarks at a gaming-event, when I didn't ever want him in charge of anything and actually voted for someone I believe might be competent? How about blaming the the other 90% or so who didn't bother to vote and suddenly decide this is a big deal? You know what you find in a sandbox? Sand and cat poo. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
511
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:39:00 -
[2128] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Plaude Pollard wrote:Celinei X'Mora wrote:The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain
This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.
CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules
The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM
So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing
Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work. The only ones who're to blame are the people who voted for The Mittani. Thus, I'm not to blame for any of the stupid things he said at the Fanfest. Why would I be to blame for a griefer's stupid remarks at a gaming-event, when I didn't ever want him in charge of anything and actually voted for someone I believe might be competent? Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.
Yes and he has undone all his hard work, singlehandedly, by bringing negative publicity to EVE Online from various reputable news media channels.
He has done more harm than good. It is time for him to go.
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Celinei X'Mora
The Fraternal Association of Killer Squibs
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:39:00 -
[2129] - Quote
I am also trying to say CCP shares in this. This behavior is condoned by there own rules. Their rules are supported by us, the players. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:42:00 -
[2130] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Plaude Pollard wrote:Celinei X'Mora wrote:The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain
This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.
CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules
The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM
So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing
Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work. The only ones who're to blame are the people who voted for The Mittani. Thus, I'm not to blame for any of the stupid things he said at the Fanfest. Why would I be to blame for a griefer's stupid remarks at a gaming-event, when I didn't ever want him in charge of anything and actually voted for someone I believe might be competent? Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year. Yes and he has undone all his hard work, singlehandedly, by bringing negative publicity to EVE Online from various reputable news media channels. He has done more harm than good. It is time for him to go.
Oh he has, has he? Are we suddenly rolling back all the crucible changes? Is CCP going ahead with it's pay to win scheme? No?
As far as the media, Eve THRIVES on media coverage like this. Eve has as many subs as it does because you can be a complete bastard and get away with it. You're deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
Christ, you're full of ****. |
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MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:43:00 -
[2131] - Quote
Looking at this image with Red Bull and Jaeger - I can honestly understand why better judgement went **** up.
I'm such a hypocrite, I'd easily do the same blunder ingesting those amounts of rocket fuel myself...
^^ But meh, what can you do. GG Mittens, better luck next time ..
http://postimage.org/image/lb4yecqrr/ |

Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
[2132] - Quote
I used to rule the world Seas would rise when I gave the word Now in the morning I sleep alone Sweep the streets that I used to own
I used to roll the dice Feel the fear in my enemy's eyes Listen as the crowd would sing: "Now the old king is dead! Long live the king!"
One minute I held the key Next the walls were closed on me And I discovered that my castles stand Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand
I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing Roman Cavalry choirs are singing Be my mirror my sword and shield My missionaries in a foreign field For some reason I can't explain Once you go there was never, never an honest word That was when I ruled the world (Ohhh)
It was the wicked and wild wind Blew down the doors to let me in Shattered windows and the sound of drums People couldn't believe what I'd become
Revolutionaries wait For my head on a silver plate Just a puppet on a lonely string Oh who would ever want to be king?
I hear Jerusalem bells a ringing Roman Cavalry choirs are singing Be my mirror my sword and shield My missionaries in a foreign field For some reason I can't explain I know Saint Peter will call my name Never an honest word But that was when I ruled the world (Ohhhhh Ohhh Ohhh)
I hear Jerusalem bells a ringing Roman Cavalry choirs are singing Be my mirror my sword and shield My missionaries in a foreign field For some reason I can't explain I know Saint Peter will call my name Never an honest word But that was when I ruled the world Oooooh Oooooh Oooooh |

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:47:00 -
[2133] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.
I'm one of the ones who voted for Mittens because of the part he played in kicking CCP into line, and the the summer of rage. I thought, despite my better judgement, that he could keep it together to make the game better for us all.
But this is the worst sort of press for EVE. The message he send is not simply, "Play EVE, get griefed" - it's "Play EVE, risk cyber-bullying." There's no excuse for that, and no apology can limit the damage he's done.
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RogueMind
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:48:00 -
[2134] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote: Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.
You're right because being one of the people to take the lead on the public outcry during the hub riots and getting us on the road to all these improvements that have come and are coming is a bad thing. |

Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:49:00 -
[2135] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:Looking at this image with Red Bull and Jaeger - I can honestly understand why better judgement went t-i-t-s up. I'm such a hypocrite, I'd easily do the same blunder ingesting those amounts of rocket fuel myself... ^^ But meh, what can you do. GG Mittens, better luck next time .. http://postimage.org/image/lb4yecqrr/
Then you shouldn't drink that much.
Mittens is old enough to know his tolerance, and old enough to know better.
It's an unfortunate reality of EVE that a lot of scumbags and cretins congregate here. It's just the simple fact that their behavior is not tolerated anywhere else. It's also an unfortunate fact of American society that young boys think themselves "grown men" as soon as they hit the magic one eight, even though their maturity level, as we've seen, is on par with a 14 year old. A 14 year old who's been given a gun. It's a frightening thought that our men aren't really growing up anymore.
At any rate, this was actually expected to happen. EVE is going mainstream and CCP is starting to realize what it takes to run a legitimate business. And now Goons get to witness first hand the consequences of not taking anything seriously. |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:50:00 -
[2136] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Plaude Pollard wrote:Celinei X'Mora wrote:The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain
This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here.
CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules
The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM
So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing
Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work. The only ones who're to blame are the people who voted for The Mittani. Thus, I'm not to blame for any of the stupid things he said at the Fanfest. Why would I be to blame for a griefer's stupid remarks at a gaming-event, when I didn't ever want him in charge of anything and actually voted for someone I believe might be competent? Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year. Yes and he has undone all his hard work, singlehandedly, by bringing negative publicity to EVE Online from various reputable news media channels. He has done more harm than good. It is time for him to go.
Yet George Bush has done worse than him yet the Americans opted to Re-elect him. Your logic is absolutely flawed. |

Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:51:00 -
[2137] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:
Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.
I'm one of the ones who voted for Mittens because of the part he played in kicking CCP into line, and the the summer of rage. I thought, despite my better judgement, that he could keep it together to make the game better for us all. But this is the worst sort of press for EVE. The message he send is not simply, "Play EVE, get griefed" - it's "Play EVE, risk cyber-bullying." There's no excuse for that, and no apology can limit the damage he's done.
Sometimes bad people do good things.
It doesn't change the fact that they're bad people. |

Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:52:00 -
[2138] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:
Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.
I'm one of the ones who voted for Mittens because of the part he played in kicking CCP into line, and the the summer of rage. I thought, despite my better judgement, that he could keep it together to make the game better for us all. But this is the worst sort of press for EVE. The message he send is not simply, "Play EVE, get griefed" - it's "Play EVE, risk cyber-bullying." There's no excuse for that, and no apology can limit the damage he's done.
If you worry about cybyer-bullying and use this as a criteria for deciding what MMO to play, EVE wasn't for you anyway. Seriously. |

AtaSaal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:55:00 -
[2139] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:[quote=Celinei X'Mora] Truth is, he blurred the line between in-game griefing, and out-of-game cyber-bullying.
As an party member in Germany, not a lawyer, but speaker for an net policy task force, cyberbulllying is part of my "area" and from the viewpoint of german law, there is no blur.
- He declared this as an real person, and there is no special law for virtual avatars.The same speech ingame would be as troublesome. Being drunk, is no "get out of jail" card. - Those who follow this, do this as real persons. - Virtual characters don't make you immune to the law. RP is no excuse. If you deny the Holocaust (crime in Germany, not protected by the right of free speech), no virtuality will save you. - For Germans, it doesn't matter what law location CCP uses. CCP can act like they want (banning anyone). Acts commited in the web by german citizens are ruled by german law. Principle is the point of origin. - Going to court... is experimental, depending on international contracts between Germany and the victims country. I know it only for the EU, in this case, an German court would take actions. |

papamike
Precipice Industries
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:56:00 -
[2140] - Quote
When I heard the Eve-Radio debate I thought "Hey, you know what, this Mittiani guy actually comes across as quite an intuitive well spoken and thoughtful guy. Clearly his persona is just that- a 'goon' persona. He has a sound knowledge of Eve, and seems like he has his finger on the collective community pulse. Not a bad candidate for CSM. Not a bad candidate at all"
THEN I hear about this whole shitstorm from fanfest. Inciting another player to commit suicide? Surely not the same guy, right?
Well, after reviewing the footage I think that on the one hand the 'PC' crowd has jumped on the 'I hate Mittens" bandwagon. The actual snippet of him 'inciting' the guy to kill himself seems more like a slip of the tounge from a drunk, young idiot and that in lies the problem.
The Mittiani that I saw on that footage is indeed nothing more then a drunken idiot- drunk not only on alcohol (what is it with Eve players and this need to express how drunk they are. Good for you. Why the need to play up the fact youre drunk. Pretty ******* immature boys) but also drunk on some sort of interweb spaceship nerd fame.
And thats the real kick in the proverbials folks. What I saw was a small boy, not capable of handling his drink. The need to showboat his drinking and his idiotic friends jeering him on didnt exactly project a reasonable, mature person to me. Ive had a few beers while playing eve in my time, as im sure alot of people have, but one has to wonder. What the hell was this idiot thinking.
He lost alot of respect from the community by his conduct, remarks about suicide aside. As much as it pains me, he should step down, even though sober he probably would be a good CSM chair. Acting the way he did showed he is actually just a wanker.
Thumbs down Mittens, even though you will probably never read this. |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
251
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:57:00 -
[2141] - Quote
RogueMind wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.
You're right because being one of the people to take the lead on the public outcry during the hub riots and getting us on the road to all these improvements that have come and are coming is a bad thing.
You mean how he showed up way late for the riots and then took credit for them after initially not supporting them?
You serious? |

Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
19
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:58:00 -
[2142] - Quote
papamike wrote:When I heard the Eve-Radio debate I thought "Hey, you know what, this Mittiani guy actually comes across as quite an intuitive well spoken and thoughtful guy. Clearly his persona is just that- a 'goon' persona. He has a sound knowledge of Eve, and seems like he has his finger on the collective community pulse. Not a bad candidate for CSM. Not a bad candidate at all"
THEN I hear about this whole shitstorm from fanfest. Inciting another player to commit suicide? Surely not the same guy, right?
Well, after reviewing the footage I think that on the one hand the 'PC' crowd has jumped on the 'I hate Mittens" bandwagon. The actual snippet of him 'inciting' the guy to kill himself seems more like a slip of the tounge from a drunk, young idiot and that in lies the problem.
The Mittiani that I saw on that footage is indeed nothing more then a drunken idiot- drunk not only on alcohol (what is it with Eve players and this need to express how drunk they are. Good for you. Why the need to play up the fact youre drunk. Pretty ******* immature boys) but also drunk on some sort of interweb spaceship nerd fame.
And thats the real kick in the proverbials folks. What I saw was a small boy, not capable of handling his drink. The need to showboat his drinking and his idiotic friends jeering him on didnt exactly project a reasonable, mature person to me. Ive had a few beers while playing eve in my time, as im sure alot of people have, but one has to wonder. What the hell was this idiot thinking.
He lost alot of respect from the community by his conduct, remarks about suicide aside. As much as it pains me, he should step down, even though sober he probably would be a good CSM chair. Acting the way he did showed he is actually just a wanker.
Thumbs down Mittens, even though you will probably never read this.
Mittens is grown man in his 20's and he's a lawyer (or paralegal or whatever). He should know better.
There is no excuse. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
517
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:59:00 -
[2143] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:papamike wrote:When I heard the Eve-Radio debate I thought "Hey, you know what, this Mittiani guy actually comes across as quite an intuitive well spoken and thoughtful guy. Clearly his persona is just that- a 'goon' persona. He has a sound knowledge of Eve, and seems like he has his finger on the collective community pulse. Not a bad candidate for CSM. Not a bad candidate at all"
THEN I hear about this whole shitstorm from fanfest. Inciting another player to commit suicide? Surely not the same guy, right?
Well, after reviewing the footage I think that on the one hand the 'PC' crowd has jumped on the 'I hate Mittens" bandwagon. The actual snippet of him 'inciting' the guy to kill himself seems more like a slip of the tounge from a drunk, young idiot and that in lies the problem.
The Mittiani that I saw on that footage is indeed nothing more then a drunken idiot- drunk not only on alcohol (what is it with Eve players and this need to express how drunk they are. Good for you. Why the need to play up the fact youre drunk. Pretty ******* immature boys) but also drunk on some sort of interweb spaceship nerd fame.
And thats the real kick in the proverbials folks. What I saw was a small boy, not capable of handling his drink. The need to showboat his drinking and his idiotic friends jeering him on didnt exactly project a reasonable, mature person to me. Ive had a few beers while playing eve in my time, as im sure alot of people have, but one has to wonder. What the hell was this idiot thinking.
He lost alot of respect from the community by his conduct, remarks about suicide aside. As much as it pains me, he should step down, even though sober he probably would be a good CSM chair. Acting the way he did showed he is actually just a wanker.
Thumbs down Mittens, even though you will probably never read this. Mittens is grown man in his 20's and he's a lawyer (or paralegal or whatever). He should know better. There is no excuse.
Judging by the recent action, it seems like he is just a paralegal. What a shame.
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papamike
Precipice Industries
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:00:00 -
[2144] - Quote
AtaSaal wrote:JTK Fotheringham wrote:[quote=Celinei X'Mora] Truth is, he blurred the line between in-game griefing, and out-of-game cyber-bullying. As an party member in Germany, not a lawyer, but speaker for an net policy task force, cyberbulllying is part of my "area" and from the viewpoint of german law, there is no blur. - He declared this as an real person, and there is no special law for virtual avatars.The same speech ingame would be as troublesome. Being drunk, is no "get out of jail" card. - Those who follow this, do this as real persons. - Virtual characters don't make you immune to the law. RP is no excuse. If you deny the Holocaust (crime in Germany, not protected by the right of free speech), no virtuality will save you. - For Germans, it doesn't matter what law location CCP uses. CCP can act like they want (banning anyone). Acts commited in the web by german citizens are ruled by german law. Principle is the point of origin. - Going to court... is experimental, depending on international contracts between Germany and the victims country. I know it only for the EU, in this case, an German court would take actions.
Considering he is an American Citizen, you and I both know he could very easily have been in the heart of Berlin while making these comments to a German and be confident that there would be no chance whatsoever that he would be tried under German law, so I doubt CCP is too concerned about the implications in Germany.
I do however understand and appreciate your sentiments.
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Celinei X'Mora
The Fraternal Association of Killer Squibs
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:02:00 -
[2145] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:[quote=JTK Fotheringham][quote=Kallynda Nai]
If you worry about cybyer-bullying and use this as a criteria for deciding what MMO to play, EVE wasn't for you anyway. Seriously.
This is what I'm saying. Its allowed in Eve. Has been since I started playing. No one pushes the limits on these rules better than Goons. Does CCP care? Nope. Do we make them care? Nope.
Just saying.
I'm still gonna play the game, it kicks ass. I know where the ignore is. |

papamike
Precipice Industries
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:06:00 -
[2146] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote: Mittens is grown man in his 20's and he's a lawyer (or paralegal or whatever). He should know better.
There is no excuse.
What does RL job title got to do with it? I would have judged him the same if he was unemployed, if he was a bartender, if he was a doctor, if he was a lawyer, if he collected the garbage.
I care not. |

Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:06:00 -
[2147] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:It's not immoral to mock stupid people. uhmm, uh, well, actually, it is.Not even sure why you would even care to argue the point, as the entire subculture of somethinhg awful, which you belong to, is self professedly amoral. I mean, thats the whole point of it. Or were you one of those they let in on a waiver???
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fgft Athonille
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:06:00 -
[2148] - Quote
funny nobody cared when this story first hit the forums months ago
where were the carebear soapboxes and the butthurt politically correct crowd then |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:08:00 -
[2149] - Quote
papamike wrote:When I heard the Eve-Radio debate I thought "Hey, you know what, this Mittiani guy actually comes across as quite an intuitive well spoken and thoughtful guy. Clearly his persona is just that- a 'goon' persona. He has a sound knowledge of Eve, and seems like he has his finger on the collective community pulse. Not a bad candidate for CSM. Not a bad candidate at all"
THEN I hear about this whole shitstorm from fanfest. Inciting another player to commit suicide? Surely not the same guy, right?
Well, after reviewing the footage I think that on the one hand the 'PC' crowd has jumped on the 'I hate Mittens" bandwagon. The actual snippet of him 'inciting' the guy to kill himself seems more like a slip of the tounge from a drunk, young idiot and that in lies the problem.
The Mittiani that I saw on that footage is indeed nothing more then a drunken idiot- drunk not only on alcohol (what is it with Eve players and this need to express how drunk they are. Good for you. Why the need to play up the fact youre drunk. Pretty ******* immature boys) but also drunk on some sort of interweb spaceship nerd fame.
And thats the real kick in the proverbials folks. What I saw was a small boy, not capable of handling his drink. The need to showboat his drinking and his idiotic friends jeering him on didnt exactly project a reasonable, mature person to me. Ive had a few beers while playing eve in my time, as im sure alot of people have, but one has to wonder. What the hell was this idiot thinking.
He lost alot of respect from the community by his conduct, remarks about suicide aside. As much as it pains me, he should step down, even though sober he probably would be a good CSM chair. Acting the way he did showed he is actually just a wanker.
Thumbs down Mittens, even though you will probably never read this.
It's was an ALLIANCE panel. Get this into your thick skull. This was not a CSM Panel. If it was a CSM Panel then yes, him acting like this would be detrimental. But this isn't the case. It was an Alliance panel, where those of their own alliance take turns to talk about how awesome/annoying their alliance is. In this case they would be unrestricted. All you need to do is look at the past fan-fests, it's really no different, it just so happens they decided to drink well before-hand this time.
Mittens is, at the end of the day, under no obligation to act like a 'holier than thou' individual. As usual it's the angry mob shouting for unnecessary blood because a guy Mittens mentioned is most likely lieing out the ass about his predicament (who on earth would play EVE while incredibly depressed and with intent to commit suicide?). |

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
16
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:09:00 -
[2150] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:
If you worry about cybyer-bullying and use this as a criteria for deciding what MMO to play, EVE wasn't for you anyway. Seriously.
Eh?
See, I have no problem with the sort of greifing the Mac pilot was subjected to in game... if he was running 27 accounts, and the Goons smartbombed him, fair play. EVE is hard, I like that, it's why I play.
But this was an out-of-game exchange, that has already generated a huge amount of negative publicity for our game. Our CSM Chair helps to put off new players. And I gonno about you, but new players = more CCP devs making more awesome in-game stuff.
Cyber-bullying is a criteria many prospective players have for deciding on a game, and simply saying "Well EVE's not for you" is just stupid. Why not stamp out cyber-bullying instead? When greifing goes out-of-game it's a problem we should all be united against.
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
137
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:10:00 -
[2151] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:RogueMind wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year.
You're right because being one of the people to take the lead on the public outcry during the hub riots and getting us on the road to all these improvements that have come and are coming is a bad thing. You mean how he showed up way late for the riots and then took credit for them after initially not supporting them? You serious?
QFT |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:10:00 -
[2152] - Quote
papamike wrote:Considering he is an American Citizen, you and I both know he could very easily have been in the heart of Berlin while making these comments to a German and be confident that there would be no chance whatsoever that he would be tried under German law, so I doubt CCP is too concerned about the implications in Germany.
I do however understand and appreciate your sentiments.
Incorrect. If you visit a country you are bound by its' laws regardless of your country of origin. If you break them you can be punished for doing so by the country in question. Then if we throw in that some contries extend their laws to cover their citizens even in another country and we have a whole mess of law. |

knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
93
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:12:00 -
[2153] - Quote
AtaSaal wrote:JTK Fotheringham wrote:[quote=Celinei X'Mora] Truth is, he blurred the line between in-game griefing, and out-of-game cyber-bullying. As an party member in Germany, not a lawyer, but speaker for an net policy task force, cyberbulllying is part of my "area" and from the viewpoint of german law, there is no blur. - He declared this as an real person, and there is no special law for virtual avatars.The same speech ingame would be as troublesome. Being drunk, is no "get out of jail" card. - Those who follow this, do this as real persons. - Virtual characters don't make you immune to the law. RP is no excuse. If you deny the Holocaust (crime in Germany, not protected by the right of free speech), no virtuality will save you. - For Germans, it doesn't matter what law location CCP uses. CCP can act like they want (banning anyone). Acts commited in the web by german citizens are ruled by german law. Principle is the point of origin. - Going to court... is experimental, depending on international contracts between Germany and the victims country. I know it only for the EU, in this case, an German court would take actions.
So you're going to petition Germany to ban yet another game/form of media? Enforcing the stereo type that Germany isn't very tolerant....because of what one guy playing internet spaceships said to another guy playing internet spaceships? Pathetic. Go outside, take a deep breath, realise its just a game and get over it.
You do realise that the Wis guy might have made the whole thing up as a troll? That is what happens in EVE.
Have you ever been on PSN or Xbox live? It would be a revelation to you, EVE's community is positively joyous to be around once you've experience playing Halo or Gears of War for 10 minutes. |

Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:12:00 -
[2154] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Daviclond wrote:
If you worry about cybyer-bullying and use this as a criteria for deciding what MMO to play, EVE wasn't for you anyway. Seriously.
But this was an out-of-game exchange, that has already generated a huge amount of negative publicity for our game. Our CSM Chair helps to put off new players. And I gonno about you, but new players = more CCP devs making more awesome in-game stuff.
CCP has lost absolutely zero subscribers over this. The "publicity" does not exist and nobody cares outside of people who want to see Mittani politically damaged.
Griefing has attracted far, far more players to EVE than it has ever lost it and the lawless reputation of the sandbox is something CCP encourages and cultivates. They're obviously going to have to distance themselves from this unnacceptable behaviour (perhaps the individual concerned should write an apology???) but no long-term shift in EVE's reputation will come of this. Well, cya |

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
16
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:14:00 -
[2155] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:
It's was an ALLIANCE panel. Get this into your thick skull. This was not a CSM Panel. If it was a CSM Panel then yes, him acting like this would be detrimental. But this isn't the case. It was an Alliance panel, where those of their own alliance take turns to talk about how awesome/annoying their alliance is. In this case they would be unrestricted. All you need to do is look at the past fan-fests, it's really no different, it just so happens they decided to drink well before-hand this time.
Mittens is, at the end of the day, under no obligation to act like a 'holier than thou' individual. As usual it's the angry mob shouting for unnecessary blood because a guy Mittens mentioned is most likely lieing out the ass about his predicament (who on earth would play EVE while incredibly depressed and with intent to commit suicide?).
You must be one of the crowd who think CCP run Fanfest for the lolz. Fanfest, Blizzcon, etc. are all run because of the opportunity to generate a buzz around great press in the gaming media. The players yelling applause for the latest reveal makes for great press.
So at this media event, the chair of the CSM (argueably, another media ploy itself) gets up and delivers a stinging cyber-bullying attack. What story are the gaming press going to run with the following week?
Honestly, try to understand why this is a problem for CCP, for the game, and probably for Alex personally (because future employers are going to find some poor judgement on his part when they google his name). |

AtaSaal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:15:00 -
[2156] - Quote
papamike wrote:
Considering he is an American Citizen, you and I both know he could very easily have been in the heart of Berlin while making these comments to a German and be confident that there would be no chance whatsoever that he would be tried under German law, so I doubt CCP is too concerned about the implications in Germany.
I do however understand and appreciate your sentiments.
If he stands physically in Berlin, he would be under German jurisdiction as long he has no diplomatic status. If he sits in a internet cafe in Berlin and encourages cyberbullying, point of origin, it will be punishable by German law (problem could be victims location). And my advice was more in the direction of the "german" Goons to understand the limits of their goonishment. A game is no excuse for breaking the law. Being US-citizen doesn't make you immun to national laws.
CCP themself is out of this in the first case. But for example, if I see an member of an German corp denying the Holocaust and put this before court, court asks CCP for the real persona data, CCP would rather think twice before resisting, especialy since Iceland has a couple of law cooperation contracts with the EU.
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Fox Amatin
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:16:00 -
[2157] - Quote
We can all get carried away when we're under influence ... Right, that's when we apologies to the person / people we may have hurt that night and make sure it never happens again.
Oh wait he did apologies ... Don't tell me a live broadcast of this would be demanded by anyone here, I'll laugh 'till I'm crying the minute I hear that. |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:16:00 -
[2158] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Daviclond wrote:
If you worry about cybyer-bullying and use this as a criteria for deciding what MMO to play, EVE wasn't for you anyway. Seriously.
Eh? See, I have no problem with the sort of greifing the Mac pilot was subjected to in game... if he was running 27 accounts, and the Goons smartbombed him, fair play. EVE is hard, I like that, it's why I play. But this was an out-of-game exchange, that has already generated a huge amount of negative publicity for our game. Our CSM Chair helps to put off new players. And I gonno about you, but new players = more CCP devs making more awesome in-game stuff. Cyber-bullying is a criteria many prospective players have for deciding on a game, and simply saying "Well EVE's not for you" is just stupid. Why not stamp out cyber-bullying instead? When greifing goes out-of-game it's a problem we should all be united against.
You are contradicting yourself here.
You say 'griefing' this person, who according to what he said is already under intent to /wrist and is on the road of mass depression, is fair play. But commenting about it is cyber-bullying (it's hard to have a 'out-of-game exchange when the said victim has yet to properly reply to this)
This is the problem, you can not have one or the other. You either need to class it all as cyber-bullying and stop it (effectively turning EVE into a PvE game with BG's,) or understand that this was merely a continued exchange of the griefing, which will undoubtedly lead to future issues.
Either way, they both suck, but we have to accept that this is how the cookie crumbles. |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
135
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:18:00 -
[2159] - Quote
Daviclond wrote: CCP has lost absolutely zero subscribers over this. The "publicity" does not exist and nobody cares outside of people who want to see Mittani politically damaged.
Griefing has attracted far, far more players to EVE than it has ever lost it and the lawless reputation of "the sandbox" is something CCP encourages and cultivates. They're obviously going to have to distance themselves from this unnacceptable behaviour (perhaps the individual concerned should write an apology???) but no long-term shift in EVE's reputation will come of this. Well, cya
Really? New subs have plateaued. In the last 12 months we've had the gold ammo scandal, introduction of MT, monocle-gate and now this. MMOs die. Eve is no exception. |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
36
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:18:00 -
[2160] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:JTK Fotheringham wrote:Daviclond wrote:
If you worry about cybyer-bullying and use this as a criteria for deciding what MMO to play, EVE wasn't for you anyway. Seriously.
Eh? See, I have no problem with the sort of greifing the Mac pilot was subjected to in game... if he was running 27 accounts, and the Goons smartbombed him, fair play. EVE is hard, I like that, it's why I play. But this was an out-of-game exchange, that has already generated a huge amount of negative publicity for our game. Our CSM Chair helps to put off new players. And I gonno about you, but new players = more CCP devs making more awesome in-game stuff. Cyber-bullying is a criteria many prospective players have for deciding on a game, and simply saying "Well EVE's not for you" is just stupid. Why not stamp out cyber-bullying instead? When greifing goes out-of-game it's a problem we should all be united against. You are contradicting yourself here. You say 'griefing' this person, who according to what he said is already under intent to /wrist and is on the road of mass depression, is fair play. But commenting about it is cyber-bullying (it's hard to have a 'out-of-game exchange when the said victim has yet to properly reply to this) This is the problem, you can not have one or the other. You either need to class it all as cyber-bullying and stop it (effectively turning EVE into a PvE game with BG's,) or understand that this was merely a continued exchange of the griefing, which will undoubtedly lead to future issues. Either way, they both suck, but we have to accept that this is how the cookie crumbles. Do you not understand the difference of in-game and out of game in front of a camera? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
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AtaSaal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:21:00 -
[2161] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:]
So you're going to petition Germany to ban yet another game/form of media? Enforcing the stereo type that Germany isn't very tolerant....because of what one guy playing internet spaceships said to another guy playing internet spaceships? Pathetic. Go outside, take a deep breath, realise its just a game and get over it.
You read what you want to read. I wrote about individual responsibility of actions before court in dependance to your juristical physical location.
Take a deep breath, accept laws, even in the internet, regardless with, or without spaceships. There is no excuse "its just a game" before court. |

smokeAjoint
Axial tilt Imperius Legio Victrix
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:21:00 -
[2162] - Quote
The Clash |

Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:22:00 -
[2163] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Do you not understand the difference of in-game and out of game in front of a camera?
Hey, aren't you the creep who tried to rob the only female CSM candidate of her agency? |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:23:00 -
[2164] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:
It's was an ALLIANCE panel. Get this into your thick skull. This was not a CSM Panel. If it was a CSM Panel then yes, him acting like this would be detrimental. But this isn't the case. It was an Alliance panel, where those of their own alliance take turns to talk about how awesome/annoying their alliance is. In this case they would be unrestricted. All you need to do is look at the past fan-fests, it's really no different, it just so happens they decided to drink well before-hand this time.
Mittens is, at the end of the day, under no obligation to act like a 'holier than thou' individual. As usual it's the angry mob shouting for unnecessary blood because a guy Mittens mentioned is most likely lieing out the ass about his predicament (who on earth would play EVE while incredibly depressed and with intent to commit suicide?).
You must be one of the crowd who think CCP run Fanfest for the lolz. Fanfest, Blizzcon, etc. are all run because of the opportunity to generate a buzz around great press in the gaming media. The players yelling applause for the latest reveal makes for great press. So at this media event, the chair of the CSM (argueably, another media ploy itself) gets up and delivers a stinging cyber-bullying attack. What story are the gaming press going to run with the following week? Honestly, try to understand why this is a problem for CCP, for the game, and probably for Alex personally (because future employers are going to find some poor judgement on his part when they google his name).
Alex is living a good lifestyle. He for one certainly has my respect for being able to relax this early in life. (Also lulz at you for thinking that employers are REALLY going to care about an incident related to internet spaceships. Heck, he certainly is going to get a criminal record for this 'foul' act rite?)
Back on topic, you have missed the point by what I am trying to tell you here. Fanfest has several PANELS. See that, panels. Obviously people would go to Fanfest for either one, some or all of these panels.
Maybe they want to see the new release, maybe they want to see what new updates...or others may want to see the Alliance panels since they know how much of a riot they can be, given previous alliance panels.
See what I did there? It's preference, the people who attend this did NOT have to go the alliance panel, which is normally foul-mouthed and badly behaved anyway.
The only reason the chair of the CSM was even called out was because some 'investigative' gaming journalist in the crowd got extremely 'distressed' and 'upset' about the comments raised and then proceeded to have a article done....in the name of 'justice' and 'peace' of course. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
251
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:24:00 -
[2165] - Quote
What makes me think the apology is just bull is that the goons are out in force doubling down on stupid in defense of cyber bullying.
The great leader says one thing, while the goons do another.
All that is left is he has to step down from the CSM totally now because of the actions of his goons at this point.
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Dranchela
Flashpoint Industries
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:30:00 -
[2166] - Quote
You people are taking this far too seriously. |

Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:31:00 -
[2167] - Quote
4 words.......
DIE -- IN -- A -- FIRE, diaf.
So often used in eve it has become a meme,. even CCP soundwave said it on eve TV, saying such a thing is easily comparable to 'go kill yourself' or words to that effect, how did this get blown out of proportion?
Last year there were a couple of films made about 'cyber-bulling' ( ridiculous term to be honest ), and a few news articles about such things hence the media coverage, however in all of these cases the ''cyber-bullying'' happened on social media sites such as face book and alike,.....
and there it is
It simply cannot be called cyber-bullying as the avatar doesn't exists, sure the person controlling it does, but he was never referred by his/her real name, its really is that simple.
if this isn't the case surly the war dec'ng system is merely a facility for cyber-bullying? i mean people harrasing me in game?? perhaps not,. but surly suicide ganking is, its without my consent?.
the underlining point is this,. you can't bully an avatar as such a thing can be turned off or reprocessed, you may not like the way '' you've'' (your avatar ) been treated, but at the end of the day the avatar isn't you.
if this goes any furthers than a joke, then i call for ccp soundwave to resign as he said 'die in a fire' live on eve TV,. and then subsequently everyone who has said similar things in game to be removed ( this will include me )
p.s,.. i hate the term 'diaf' ,. that really is a horrible thing to say,. not reason to kill yourself mind,. but worth a look at yourself |

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
19
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:31:00 -
[2168] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:
You say 'griefing' this person, who according to what he said is already under intent to /wrist and is on the road of mass depression, is fair play. But commenting about it is cyber-bullying (it's hard to have a 'out-of-game exchange when the said victim has yet to properly reply to this)
This is the problem, you can not have one or the other. You either need to class it all as cyber-bullying and stop it (effectively turning EVE into a PvE game with BG's,) or understand that this was merely a continued exchange of the griefing, which will undoubtedly lead to future issues.
Either way, they both suck, but we have to accept that this is how the cookie crumbles.
"Look, a dude running 27 accounts to Ice Mine, presenting easy targets for a gank - let's blow us his ships." = In-game griefing. Fair play.
"Listen, the guy with 27 accounts told me he's depressed cos his marriage has broken down, I want to encourage you, the hundreds, if not thousands of people who follow my example, to mail this guy and tip him over the edge." = Cyber-bullying. Has no place in our game.
If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry for ya.
If you can't see the bad press it creates for CCP, you're blinded by devotion to Mittens.
If you can't see the damage it's done to Alex's personal reputation, and the risk it poses to his future employment prospects, you're mad. |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:32:00 -
[2169] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:What makes me think the apology is just bull is that the goons are out in force doubling down on stupid in defense of cyber bullying.
The great leader says one thing, while the goons do another.
All that is left is he has to step down from the CSM totally now because of the actions of his goons at this point.
His follower ruined any chance for his apology to work as a get out of trouble card.
Wait, we aren't a Hive Mind? What treachery is this?! |

Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:35:00 -
[2170] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:
You say 'griefing' this person, who according to what he said is already under intent to /wrist and is on the road of mass depression, is fair play. But commenting about it is cyber-bullying (it's hard to have a 'out-of-game exchange when the said victim has yet to properly reply to this)
This is the problem, you can not have one or the other. You either need to class it all as cyber-bullying and stop it (effectively turning EVE into a PvE game with BG's,) or understand that this was merely a continued exchange of the griefing, which will undoubtedly lead to future issues.
Either way, they both suck, but we have to accept that this is how the cookie crumbles.
"Look, a dude running 27 accounts to Ice Mine, presenting easy targets for a gank - let's blow us his ships." = In-game griefing. Fair play. "Listen, the guy with 27 accounts told me he's depressed cos his marriage has broken down, I want to encourage you, the hundreds, if not thousands of people who follow my example, to mail this guy and tip him over the edge." = Cyber-bullying. Has no place in our game. If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry for ya. If you can't see the bad press it creates for CCP, you're blinded by devotion to Mittens. If you can't see the damage it's done to Alex's personal reputation, and the risk it poses to his future employment prospects, you're mad.
avatar = guy ??? nope,. avatar = avatar
some avatar said he was gonna kill himself = funny ****
met person i rl and was told he was gonna kill himself = me laughing, not caring, but no threadanaught |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
398
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:35:00 -
[2171] - Quote
I keep having to rewatch that video, I really don't understand the reaction it received. The suicide aspect wasn't central to the joke, nor was any call for harassment. These threads simply exagerate the mittanis words, and try and create some scandal over it.
Reality is, that entire panel was pretty boring. Even the in-game player "the wiz" didn't give a **** about it, and reading his "suicide threat" it was hardly serious. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:37:00 -
[2172] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:
You say 'griefing' this person, who according to what he said is already under intent to /wrist and is on the road of mass depression, is fair play. But commenting about it is cyber-bullying (it's hard to have a 'out-of-game exchange when the said victim has yet to properly reply to this)
This is the problem, you can not have one or the other. You either need to class it all as cyber-bullying and stop it (effectively turning EVE into a PvE game with BG's,) or understand that this was merely a continued exchange of the griefing, which will undoubtedly lead to future issues.
Either way, they both suck, but we have to accept that this is how the cookie crumbles.
"Look, a dude running 27 accounts to Ice Mine, presenting easy targets for a gank - let's blow us his ships." = In-game griefing. Fair play. "Listen, the guy with 27 accounts told me he's depressed cos his marriage has broken down, I want to encourage you, the hundreds, if not thousands of people who follow my example, to mail this guy and tip him over the edge." = Cyber-bullying. Has no place in our game. If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry for ya. If you can't see the bad press it creates for CCP, you're blinded by devotion to Mittens. If you can't see the damage it's done to Alex's personal reputation, and the risk it poses to his future employment prospects, you're mad.
"Look, a dude running 27 accounts who confirms he is depressed because his marriage has broken down, let's gank him in an attempt to tip him over the edge!" = Cyber-bullying according to your context.
See what I did there?
Because we ganked him, without realising what he is suffering from, does not excuse us of our 'evils', then we must of been cyber-bullying him for a long time.
Or must I bring out a certain video in the form of 'Serenity Now' crashing a 'funeral' in WoW? Would you class that as fair-play (and totally funny), or cyber-bullying because they are kicking someone who is already confirmed to of departed?
Also implying EVE Online/CCP has enough clout to influence a bunch of fogeys running a business. I think good sir, that the mad one is you. |

Fox Amatin
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:39:00 -
[2173] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:I keep having to rewatch that video, I really don't understand the reaction it received. The suicide aspect wasn't central to the joke, nor was any call for harassment. These threads simply exagerate the mittanis words, and try and create some scandal over it.
Reality is, that entire panel was pretty boring. Even the in-game player "the wiz" didn't give a **** about it, and reading his "suicide threat" it was hardly serious.
+1
Now It's at a point that it's blown out of proportion. Some of these posts ... No just no. |

AtaSaal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:41:00 -
[2174] - Quote
Capacity gear wrote:
avatar = guy ??? nope,. avatar = avatar
some avatar said he was gonna kill himself = funny ****
met person i rl and was told he was gonna kill himself = me laughing, not caring, but no threadanaught
You can laugh like you want. An lawyer will teach you different. There is no Avatar, there is you as an person and as soon as your "victim" is pissed enough -> a real person will face real prosecution. From a socio-cultural aspect, stuff get ignored by the victim most of the time. But from the point of the law, there is no Avatar and you are responsible for your actions. There are no Avatars in jail, real people get into jail. ;)
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:45:00 -
[2175] - Quote
Show me the medical evaluation of this guy having a history of mental instability.
The we talk. |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:47:00 -
[2176] - Quote
Welsige wrote: Show me the medical evaluation of this guy having a history of mental instability.
The we talk.
QFT |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:47:00 -
[2177] - Quote
AtaSaal wrote:
There are no Avatars in jail, real people get into jail. ;)
Have to remember this next time i play monopoly and my piece go to Jail :::scared::: |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:48:00 -
[2178] - Quote
Welsige wrote:AtaSaal wrote:
There are no Avatars in jail, real people get into jail. ;)
Have to remember this next time i play monopoly and my piece go to Jail :::scared:::
Make sure not to roll three doubles! |

Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:49:00 -
[2179] - Quote
AtaSaal wrote:Capacity gear wrote:
avatar = guy ??? nope,. avatar = avatar
some avatar said he was gonna kill himself = funny ****
met person i rl and was told he was gonna kill himself = me laughing, not caring, but no threadanaught
You can laugh like you want. An lawyer will teach you different. There is no Avatar, there is you as an person and as soon as your "victim" is pissed enough -> a real person will face real prosecution. From a socio-cultural aspect, stuff get ignored by the victim most of the time. But from the point of the law, there is no Avatar and you are responsible for your actions. There are no Avatars in jail, real people get into jail. ;)
what is this law you speak of?? this in the INTERWEBZ!!!!! your laws mean nothing here!!!
but seriously, which country's law would you adopt in this case as every country has its own idea on what is legal and illegal?
for instance sleeping with a 15yo in my country would have you tryed as a pedophile sex offender,.. however in Denmark its perfectly legal,.. so are all danes pedos? |

Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
135
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:50:00 -
[2180] - Quote
I don't know what worries me more.
The incident or the vast amount of players rallying in it's defence because they just can't see why it was over the line.
The staggering amount of people who actually are admitting they would cal "JUMP" to someone standing on a ledge is far more concerning than the incident at hand.
Looking back I see people jumping in defence of Mittens actions at the Fanfest like there was no tomorrow. Now Mittens appologised for his words. Realising that the behaviour was unacceptable. Yet some people still feel the need to defend a mistake someone made.
After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about?
If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology?
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:55:00 -
[2181] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:I keep having to rewatch that video, I really don't understand the reaction it received. The suicide aspect wasn't central to the joke, nor was any call for harassment. These threads simply exagerate the mittanis words, and try and create some scandal over it.
Reality is, that entire panel was pretty boring. Even the in-game player "the wiz" didn't give a **** about it, and reading his "suicide threat" it was hardly serious.
He must be happy and heading out of depression by now, seeing all this attention and people carring about him, 10 bil richer and Space Famous now forever inserted into EVE story. |

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:57:00 -
[2182] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote: "Look, a dude running 27 accounts who confirms he is depressed because his marriage has broken down, let's gank him in an attempt to tip him over the edge!" = Cyber-bullying according to your context
See what I did there
Because we ganked him, without realising what he is suffering from, does not excuse us of our 'evils', then we must of been cyber-bullying him for a long time.
The difference, however, is that Mittens professed to know, used the knowledge as the basis for an attack, and encouraged others to join said attack, at a panel, at a CCP-run media event
That's not the standard I expect from a person I elected to represent the player community in this game.
And before you carry on trying to defend Mittens, go back and re-read his apology. He seems to know he called this one wrong. All I'm saying is that his response to the wrong call is not sufficient. I think he needs to resign, not just apologise. |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:00:00 -
[2183] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote: After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about?
If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology?
While I agree with the main part of the post I am commenting on the quoted.
Yes they can. What someone sees as something worth appologising for is personal. I have appologised for behaviour where I have had friends saying it is nothing to appologise for.
You also have to factor in instinctive behaviour. Generally when backed into a corner you come out fighting. They were backed into a corner and went on the defensive. After saying for so long it is nothing to appologise for they can't then do an about face, some people think it would show weakness and some are even raise to believe appologising is a weakness.
All in all regardless of their personal aoppinion he has appologised and what they say really has no effect on the "value" or lak there of of that appology. It is only as meaningful as the person making it means it to be.
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
467
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:02:00 -
[2184] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer JTK Fotheringham
"Block/Ignore" those two people and this thread is much more reasonable.
IMO, the amount of effort these two have put into this thread to tarnish the good name of our King, The Mittani should be considered harassment and I'm going to petition for both of their accounts to be banned.
This is an outrage.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:02:00 -
[2185] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote: "Look, a dude running 27 accounts who confirms he is depressed because his marriage has broken down, let's gank him in an attempt to tip him over the edge!" = Cyber-bullying according to your context
See what I did there
Because we ganked him, without realising what he is suffering from, does not excuse us of our 'evils', then we must of been cyber-bullying him for a long time.
The difference, however, is that Mittens professed to know, used the knowledge as the basis for an attack, and encouraged others to join said attack, at a panel, at a CCP-run media event That's not the standard I expect from a person I elected to represent the player community in this game. And before you carry on trying to defend Mittens, go back and re-read his apology. He seems to know he called this one wrong. All I'm saying is that his response to the wrong call is not sufficient. I think he needs to resign, not just apologise.
I read his apology, but that doesn't mean what he thinks is the hive mind to what the members of GS thinks. After all, we aren't CSM, so we are allowed to think what is best for us, in this case, defending us from the nefarious with hunters who demand his resignation. |

Walker Ahashion
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:04:00 -
[2186] - Quote
I think it's gone beyond "The Mittani" "CSM" and "OH my god eve is so real, we have a CSM leader saying something and whats going to happen to the heat sink prices?" It's stepped into the real world now and so is beyond the bubble. |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:05:00 -
[2187] - Quote
Walker Ahashion wrote:I think it's gone beyond "The Mittani" "CSM" and "OH my god eve is so real, we have a CSM leader saying something and whats going to happen to the heat sink prices?" It's stepped into the real world now and so is beyond the bubble.
Whelp, better lock our firewalls and keep our computers firmly in check, you never know. A gangsta might just pop out and e-stab you. |

Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
765
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:06:00 -
[2188] - Quote
Welsige wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:I keep having to rewatch that video, I really don't understand the reaction it received. The suicide aspect wasn't central to the joke, nor was any call for harassment. These threads simply exagerate the mittanis words, and try and create some scandal over it.
Reality is, that entire panel was pretty boring. Even the in-game player "the wiz" didn't give a **** about it, and reading his "suicide threat" it was hardly serious. He must be happy and heading out of depression by now, seeing all this attention and people carring about him, 10 bil richer and Space Famous now forever inserted into EVE story.
I am sure his parents would be equally happy and heading out of their grieving had he killed himself too.
They can do a lot with 10b isk! The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:08:00 -
[2189] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer JTK Fotheringham
"Block/Ignore" those two people and this thread is much more reasonable.
IMO, the amount of effort these two have put into this thread to tarnish the good name of our King, The Mittani should be considered harassment and I'm going to petition for both of their accounts to be banned.
This is an outrage.
Aye, this thread is as bully as the video, probably more. People are using this to push their own agendas of Mittani hatred.
Stop hatting.
You are all bullies and deserve being banned from the game. |

CNL Jack Oniel
State War Academy Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:08:00 -
[2190] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:I don't know what worries me more.
The incident or the vast amount of players rallying in it's defence because they just can't see why it was over the line.
The staggering amount of people who actually are admitting they would cal "JUMP" to someone standing on a ledge is far more concerning than the incident at hand.
Looking back I see people jumping in defence of Mittens actions at the Fanfest like there was no tomorrow. Now Mittens appologised for his words. Realising that the behaviour was unacceptable. Yet some people still feel the need to defend a mistake someone made.
After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about?
If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology?
If u notice the only people coming to his defence are goons and friends the majority of eve think that this time he has stepped to far . He has always walked a tight line sometimes but this time just 1 step to far . The fact that he has not stepped down already shows the he does not really care. If He himself does not want to promote this kind of stuff once again he should have stepped down oh wait he has not . |
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Tajidan
TURN LEFT
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:08:00 -
[2191] - Quote
The CSM should clearly end itself. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
401
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:11:00 -
[2192] - Quote
CNL Jack Oniel wrote:If u notice the only people coming to his defence are goons and friends the majority of eve think that this time he has stepped to far . He has always walked a tight line sometimes but this time just 1 step to far . The fact that he has not stepped down already shows the he does not really care. If He himself does not want to promote this kind of stuff once again he should have stepped down oh wait he has not . No, plenty of sensible people have stepped forward to defend him. You "one step too far" idiots sound like you haven't even seen the video, you're just very easily shocked people trying to kick up a fuss because you have nothing better to do. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Ruiner Drudge
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:12:00 -
[2193] - Quote
This thread is stupid and you should all feel ashamed of yourselves. |

Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions The Laughing Men
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:13:00 -
[2194] - Quote
quick question:
How the hell has this made it to 108 pages?
There's all this raging indignation on both sides, and still people are talking about what is a fairly straightforward thing. I won't express my opinion or condemn any single argument. I'll just point out the things that don't make much sense to me.
Only so much can be said about a topic that is so simple. Mittens got drunk, said something at an optional panel that happened to be broadcast on Eve TV for it's entertainment value. He was not calling on the harassment of a real person or an E-mail address that a real person would use to handle all of their day to day activities. His eve persona was under attack (beyond optional), which is nothing new for Eve players. Mittens is not the only person to harrass someone to the point of quitting eve - even if he might be the most public.
These are the facts. No one else has been chastized by CCP or entities outside of Eve for these kinds of grief tactics. Indeed, the Guiding Hand scheme was a large magnet to bring people to Eve. It was not decried by the populace at large. It was praised as a testament to the open sandbox nature of Eve and drew in far more people than would have left as the numbers have clearly shown over the years (from the new marketing guy's presentation).
This all being said, the more fodder you give to the troll, the more power (influence) he will have as that is what Eve is all about at the end of the day. No party is doing anything to damage the reputation of Mittens, and in fact, everyone talking about it is giving him exactly what one party doesn't want him to have (more influence). If you want to kill trolls, the only weapon that works (aside from killing their corporal form) is apathy. Show them that you don't care (by not discussing it) and you will do more damage to said troll and his supporters than a permanent ban from devs or an arrest from law enforcement ever could. |

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:14:00 -
[2195] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer JTK Fotheringham
"Block/Ignore" those two people and this thread is much more reasonable.
IMO, the amount of effort these two have put into this thread to tarnish the good name of our King, The Mittani should be considered harassment and I'm going to petition for both of their accounts to be banned.
This is an outrage.
I honestly agree. Nobody should listen to me. 
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Dank Man
59
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:16:00 -
[2196] - Quote
He better resign, he certainly doesnt represent the great thing that is the eve community, even tho he does represent the thousands of idiots in the CFC that apparently follow his lead. He obviously has to do this because CCP would boot him off if he didnt resign, its just saving face, i hope he didnt cut some deal to save his accounts, because he shouldnt even be allowed to play if he is going to harass other players publicly and try to lead others to do the same... |

CNL Jack Oniel
State War Academy Caldari State
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:16:00 -
[2197] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:CNL Jack Oniel wrote:If u notice the only people coming to his defence are goons and friends the majority of eve think that this time he has stepped to far . He has always walked a tight line sometimes but this time just 1 step to far . The fact that he has not stepped down already shows the he does not really care. If He himself does not want to promote this kind of stuff once again he should have stepped down oh wait he has not . No, plenty of sensible people have stepped forward to defend him. You "one step too far" idiots sound like you haven't even seen the video, you're just very easily shocked people trying to kick up a fuss because you have nothing better to do.
so what you are saying if a friend of yours was feeling depressed and somebody else encouraged people to make that person actually go ahead and top himself and he did then you would be ok with that . I am sure u would not . |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:18:00 -
[2198] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Zagdul wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer JTK Fotheringham
"Block/Ignore" those two people and this thread is much more reasonable.
IMO, the amount of effort these two have put into this thread to tarnish the good name of our King, The Mittani should be considered harassment and I'm going to petition for both of their accounts to be banned.
This is an outrage. I honestly agree. Nobody should listen to me. 
I see we have reached an agreement citizen.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
253
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:19:00 -
[2199] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Killer Gandry wrote: After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about?
If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology?
While I agree with the main part of the post I am commenting on the quoted. Yes they can. What someone sees as something worth appologising for is personal. I have appologised for behaviour where I have had friends saying it is nothing to appologise for. You also have to factor in instinctive behaviour. Generally when backed into a corner you come out fighting. They were backed into a corner and went on the defensive. After saying for so long it is nothing to appologise for they can't then do an about face, some people think it would show weakness and some are even raise to believe appologising is a weakness. All in all regardless of their personal aoppinion he has appologised and what they say really has no effect on the "value" or lak there of of that appology. It is only as meaningful as the person making it means it to be. Real adults know when to admit they are wrong. Are we surprised by the goons not getting it? |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
623
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:22:00 -
[2200] - Quote
The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care.
He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you. |
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Heredom
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:22:00 -
[2201] - Quote
111 pages! Done, signature edited with perfection!... |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:23:00 -
[2202] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you. 
Heh, if it isn't this, then it would be 100+ pages about the Titan Nerf. |

Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
245
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:23:00 -
[2203] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you. 
He has not moved on, he said despite the apology and isk he thinks what was done is wrong and he is not sure whether to accept the apology as he is still upset right now. |

Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:24:00 -
[2204] - Quote
I have an important announcement!!
this is pretty shocking so i hope you are all sitting down for this:
my name isn't really 'Capacity gear',......astounding i know, take a few min's to take it in
I'm glad i've got that out of the way, now i'd just like to say if anyone says/mails/derps live on stage any negative (or positive) comments about me (capacity gear) i will not hold it against them, and i wouldn't expect CCP to do either |

Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:29:00 -
[2205] - Quote
Benilopax wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.  He has not moved on, he said despite the apology and isk he thinks what was done is wrong and he is not sure whether to accept the apology as he is still upset right now.
Not surprised his wife left him then,.. little cry baby,. she probably off **** -ing a real man lolololololololololollolololololololololollolo |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
139
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:31:00 -
[2206] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you. 
As a CSM he is a representative of the player base and as such is also accountable to the player base as far as if he should resign or not.
They can ask for his resignation if they think it's warranted, but they can't force that resignation request to happen, only CCP can do that once the candidates are elected.
But he's already said that he'll resign, so if he has any decency he'll do just that. |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
468
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:33:00 -
[2207] - Quote
Capacity gear wrote:Benilopax wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.  He has not moved on, he said despite the apology and isk he thinks what was done is wrong and he is not sure whether to accept the apology as he is still upset right now. Not surprised his wife left him then,.. little cry baby,. she probably off **** -ing a real man lolololololololololollolololololololololollolo
Hypocrite.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

Walker Ahashion
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:35:00 -
[2208] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Walker Ahashion wrote:I think it's gone beyond "The Mittani" "CSM" and "OH my god eve is so real, we have a CSM leader saying something and whats going to happen to the heat sink prices?" It's stepped into the real world now and so is beyond the bubble. Whelp, better lock our firewalls and keep our computers firmly in check, you never know. A gangsta might just pop out and e-stab you.
yup, even worse, some key board warrior hardman from eve might come along and really scare us all. |

Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:35:00 -
[2209] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:Capacity gear wrote:Benilopax wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.  He has not moved on, he said despite the apology and isk he thinks what was done is wrong and he is not sure whether to accept the apology as he is still upset right now. Not surprised his wife left him then,.. little cry baby,. she probably off **** -ing a real man lolololololololololollolololololololololollolo Hypocrite.
oowww wtfbackfire!!! dammit!
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stoicfaux
838
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:36:00 -
[2210] - Quote
Mikron Alexarr wrote:quick question:
How the hell has this made it to 108 pages?
There's all this raging indignation on both sides, and still people are talking about what is a fairly straightforward thing. I agree that it should be straightforward. However, the Dust/Sony deal tremendously complicates things.
Is Sony going to want to be associated with a game (Eve) that is known for exceptional douchebaggery on a niche game like Dust? (Even though the Dust-Eve is pretty revolutionary.) Sony has already had more than a few well publicized black eyes, do they really want to risk getting linked to a cyberbullying story or a game that encourages smack talk, bullying, etc.? If you're familiar with the "deep pockets" legal concept, does Sony want to risk being dragged into a lawsuit over Eve douchebaggery? Is Sony going to use this incident as leverage to force CCP to renegotiate the terms of the deal? Is Sony going to require that CCP place content filters, moderators, and other safeguards in place that will either cost CCP a lot or will jeopardize the whole Dust-Eve interaction?
I think Mittani's off the cuff comment is going to have greater repercussions than anyone first realized.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:40:00 -
[2211] - Quote
Dank Man wrote:He better resign, he certainly doesnt represent the great thing that is the eve community, even tho he does represent the thousands of idiots in the CFC that apparently follow his lead. He obviously has to do this because CCP would boot him off if he didnt resign, its just saving face, i hope he didnt cut some deal to save his accounts, because he shouldnt even be allowed to play if he is going to harass other players publicly and try to lead others to do the same...
Reported, I wont accept beign called a idiot on a online game, i am gettign very depressed by now. |

Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
243
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:43:00 -
[2212] - Quote
This thread features a pretty sharp divide between the philosophical mature people and the philosophically immature people. |

Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions The Laughing Men
67
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:44:00 -
[2213] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:Mikron Alexarr wrote:quick question:
How the hell has this made it to 108 pages?
There's all this raging indignation on both sides, and still people are talking about what is a fairly straightforward thing. I agree that it should be straightforward. However, the Dust/Sony deal tremendously complicates things. Is Sony going to want to be associated with a game (Eve) that is known for exceptional douchebaggery on a niche game like Dust? (Even though the Dust-Eve is pretty revolutionary.) Sony has already had more than a few well publicized black eyes, do they really want to risk getting linked to a cyberbullying story or a game that encourages smack talk, bullying, etc.? If you're familiar with the "deep pockets" legal concept, does Sony want to risk being dragged into a lawsuit over Eve douchebaggery? Is Sony going to use this incident as leverage to force CCP to renegotiate the terms of the deal? Is Sony going to require that CCP place content filters, moderators, and other safeguards in place that will either cost CCP a lot or will jeopardize the whole Dust-Eve interaction? I think Mittani's off the cuff comment is going to have greater repercussions than anyone first realized.
And if my entire quote was used, it would be fairly clear that all of those things are non-issues. The entirety of my post:
"quick question:
How the hell has this made it to 108 pages?
There's all this raging indignation on both sides, and still people are talking about what is a fairly straightforward thing. I won't express my opinion or condemn any single argument. I'll just point out the things that don't make much sense to me.
Only so much can be said about a topic that is so simple. Mittens got drunk, said something at an optional panel that happened to be broadcast on Eve TV for it's entertainment value. He was not calling on the harassment of a real person or an E-mail address that a real person would use to handle all of their day to day activities. His eve persona was under attack (beyond optional), which is nothing new for Eve players. Mittens is not the only person to harrass someone to the point of quitting eve - even if he might be the most public.
These are the facts. No one else has been chastized by CCP or entities outside of Eve for these kinds of grief tactics. Indeed, the Guiding Hand scheme was a large magnet to bring people to Eve. It was not decried by the populace at large. It was praised as a testament to the open sandbox nature of Eve and drew in far more people than would have left as the numbers have clearly shown over the years (from the new marketing guy's presentation).
This all being said, the more fodder you give to the troll, the more power (influence) he will have as that is what Eve is all about at the end of the day. No party is doing anything to damage the reputation of Mittens, and in fact, everyone talking about it is giving him exactly what one party doesn't want him to have (more influence). If you want to kill trolls, the only weapon that works (aside from killing their corporal form) is apathy. Show them that you don't care (by not discussing it) and you will do more damage to said troll and his supporters than a permanent ban from devs or an arrest from law enforcement ever could."
The TL;DR is why is everyone feeding the troll? This is exactly what they want. If Sony was concerned about this 'incident', they have so many others that will cause more user hemoraging than this isolated (in effect only one guy was targetted) incident that WILL play out when Dust hits PS3. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
403
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:51:00 -
[2214] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you. 
You seriously don't belong in the world of grown ups if you don't understand.
Quote:He was not calling on the harassment of a real person
In the game of Eve online the word for killing yourself is "Biomass", used as a verb. He did not ask the player to biomass. He would not be ashamed or in trouble right now if he told him to biomass, or for others to encourage it. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Lexmana
Imperial Stout
296
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:53:00 -
[2215] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.  You seriously don't belong in the world of grown ups if you don't understand. You were ganked by a goon? |

low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:57:00 -
[2216] - Quote
It is a simple as this
His comments were mean spirited and way over the top. As a lawyer Mittani has to know he is responsible for what he says alcohol or not
As CSM chairman Mittani represents Eve Online like it or not. At a time Eve should be getting good press from the gaming world, I.E. during fanfest, instead we look like a bunch of @zzhats. Have you seen some of the comments people have made about Eve on these gaming sites? They are not good, Eve looks like a bunch of un-caring bullies. Way to go Mittens
If CCP has any shred of credibility at all they have to remove him from the CSM unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves EVE as much as he claims he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a P.R. problem with the gaming world and it's player base
Remove Mittens and the company improves its P.R. image in the gaming world and among its non Goon player base. Keep him and Goons are happy but your image suffers. Best solution Mittens steps up falls on the sword and keeps his zerglings in-line from some kind of stupid retaliation against the Eve community
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
403
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:57:00 -
[2217] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you.  You seriously don't belong in the world of grown ups if you don't understand. You were ganked by a goon?
If you really wanted to know that you could look it up, but you don't really want to know that, you just want free likes from goons for taunting me. I'll give you your like, and you come back when you learn to internet. You should apply to their alliance BTW. They will give you a good deal on application fees and carriers. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Lexmana
Imperial Stout
298
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:18:00 -
[2218] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:If you really wanted to know that you could look it up, but you don't really want to know that, you just want free likes from goons for taunting me. I'll give you your like, and you come back when you learn to internet. You should apply to their alliance BTW. They will give you a good deal on application fees and carriers. All I know is that Mittani has made many enemies in this game over the years and that they all smell blood right now and think they have a good chance to force him off his elected chair. These threadnoughts are not mainly about the badly chosen spur of the moment remark during Q&A at fanfest. This is about revenge. You smell blood. And you are going for the kill. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:22:00 -
[2219] - Quote
low26 wrote: If CCP has any shred of credibility at all they have to remove him from the CS
And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion
Quote: unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves EVE as much as he claims he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a P.R. problem with the gaming world and it's player bas
Remove Mittens and the company improves its P.R. image in the gaming world and among its non Goon player base.
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP. |

Fly byNighter
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:25:00 -
[2220] - Quote
for the Leader of the CSM to act this way is preposterous!!!! He need to step down in his leadership role ASAP!!!!!! I don't want to Eve get a bad name to the gaming community because of one dumb ass trying to show off as being hot ****!!!!
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stoicfaux
841
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:25:00 -
[2221] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:If you really wanted to know that you could look it up, but you don't really want to know that, you just want free likes from goons for taunting me. I'll give you your like, and you come back when you learn to internet. You should apply to their alliance BTW. They will give you a good deal on application fees and carriers. All I know is that Mittani has made many enemies in this game over the years and that they all smell blood right now and think they have a good chance to force him off his elected chair. These threadnoughts are not mainly about the badly chosen spur of the moment remark during Q&A at fanfest. This is about revenge. You smell blood. And you are going for the kill. It's pretty obvious that Mittani's misstep is being taken advantage of. Unfortunately, it doesn't really make a difference. Mittani said it. His enemies publicized it. Now public opinion has weighed in, and it's become a serious scandal.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:26:00 -
[2222] - Quote
You know, it would be in better advisement if he stayed on at this point. I'm going to point out the worse when I say can the Mittani hold back his legions in revolt if this comes to pass? You think one public incident few meta gaming actions were bad, the old saying the goons want to ruin your game might just happen. Personally I'm going to fiddle as rome burns, but for everyone else I wouldn't celebrate yet.
That said to goons and those alike, you've become BoB, might as well just embrace it at this point, you've beaten Sirmolle in public flak and tinfoil. Well done you descent into the dark side is complete. |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:27:00 -
[2223] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote: And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion
How will CCP have any credibility if they don't remove him? Its not like he said they stuffed up, so they got rid of him. He stuffed up royally and needs to be removed. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Prince Kobol
360
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:27:00 -
[2224] - Quote
Fly byNighter wrote:for the Leader of the CSM to act this way is preposterous!!!! He need to step down in his leadership role ASAP!!!!!! I don't want to Eve get a bad name to the gaming community because of one dumb ass trying to show off as being hot ****!!!!
lol. that day has long since past.
The general perception about Eve players is that we all are asshats, sociopaths, and just all round general scum of the earth.
You just need to read most fo the comments being made on all the sites that have ran with this story to see how litle the gaming population thinks of Eve Players. |

Cybarite
YARRRDIES Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:28:00 -
[2225] - Quote
eve online, a game of spaceships and now autism.
seriously people.
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:33:00 -
[2226] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Karim alRashid wrote: And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion
How will CCP have any credibility if they don't remove him? Its not like he said they stuffed up, so they got rid of him. He stuffed up royally and needs to be removed.
Very simple. CCP are not responsible to words or actions of any single individual, who is not officially acting on their behalf.
CSM are not official CCP representatives, they are official player representatives. |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:38:00 -
[2227] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Karim alRashid wrote: And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion
How will CCP have any credibility if they don't remove him? Its not like he said they stuffed up, so they got rid of him. He stuffed up royally and needs to be removed. Very simple. CCP are not responsible to words or actions of any single individual, who is not officially acting on their behalf. CSM are not official CCP representatives, they are official player representatives. So if your not officially acting on behalf of CCP you can use real life threats of death, beatings ect.. I know he said it as a joke, its the next asshat I worry about. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Allataria
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:40:00 -
[2228] - Quote
Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. |

Prince Kobol
362
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:41:00 -
[2229] - Quote
Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying.
You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bulling and that is what matters. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:46:00 -
[2230] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: So if your not officially acting on behalf of CCP you can use real life threats of death, beatings ect.
You seem to be making arbitrary statements without any signs of logical reasoning.
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
300
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:48:00 -
[2231] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bulling and that is what matters. Yeah, right, (a select part of ) the media is not only the prosecutor. They are also the judge and the jury.
I can tell you that not all media share the same view. Check out these blogs as an example. I am sure more will follow:
http://liangnuren.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/the-mittani-hero/ http://jestertrek.blogspot.se/2012/03/hats.html |

SpaceBenfish
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:50:00 -
[2232] - Quote
Fly byNighter wrote:for the Leader of the CSM to act this way is preposterous!!!! He need to step down in his leadership role ASAP!!!!!! I don't want to Eve get a bad name to the gaming community because of one dumb ass trying to show off as being hot ****!!!!
*faaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrtttttt*
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stoicfaux
842
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:51:00 -
[2233] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bulling and that is what matters. Yeah, right, (a select part of ) the media is not only the prosecutor. They are also the judge and the jury. I can tell you that not all media share the same view. Check out these blogs as an example. I am sure more will follow: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/the-mittani-hero/http://jestertrek.blogspot.se/2012/03/hats.html Those blogs are not mainstream and they're too dense/nuanced for the general public to understand. So even though they make good points, they're not nearly enough to counter the initial "cyberbully" stories.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Prince Kobol
364
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:51:00 -
[2234] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bulling and that is what matters. Yeah, right, (a select part of ) the media is not only the prosecutor. They are also the judge and the jury. I can tell you that not all media share the same view. Check out these blogs as an example. I am sure more will follow: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/the-mittani-hero/http://jestertrek.blogspot.se/2012/03/hats.html
They are blogs made by players.
You can not compare blogs made by players to those sites that companies like CCP rely on heavily for marketing and advertising.
Whilst I generally do not like these sites and rarely bother visiting any of them simply because they don't give a **** about the players or games, just simply which developer pays them the most to get a good review, companies like CCP, Like Sony pay a hell of a lot attention to them.
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CNL Jack Oniel
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:54:00 -
[2235] - Quote
Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying.
grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
well if that is the case here is what something else is in the CCP EULA
I just want to make something known here i have nothing against Mittani but all you guys defending him and coming up with other things is just making him seem worse . |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:54:00 -
[2236] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:Mikron Alexarr wrote:quick question:
How the hell has this made it to 108 pages?
There's all this raging indignation on both sides, and still people are talking about what is a fairly straightforward thing. I agree that it should be straightforward. However, the Dust/Sony deal tremendously complicates things. Is Sony going to want to be associated with a game (Eve) that is known for exceptional douchebaggery on a niche game like Dust? (Even though the Dust-Eve is pretty revolutionary.) Sony has already had more than a few well publicized black eyes, do they really want to risk getting linked to a cyberbullying story or a game that encourages smack talk, bullying, etc.? If you're familiar with the "deep pockets" legal concept, does Sony want to risk being dragged into a lawsuit over Eve douchebaggery? Is Sony going to use this incident as leverage to force CCP to renegotiate the terms of the deal? Is Sony going to require that CCP place content filters, moderators, and other safeguards in place that will either cost CCP a lot or will jeopardize the whole Dust-Eve interaction? I think Mittani's off the cuff comment is going to have greater repercussions than anyone first realized.
Oh please. If you think that Sony gives a damn about this incident, you're worse than your posting.
**** like this happens every day in game. Eve is well known for being a game that encourages ganking, scamming, and other bastard-like behavior. Spend a day in Jita and you'll see worse. Sony isn't going into this blind. |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
139
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:55:00 -
[2237] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Karim alRashid wrote: And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion
How will CCP have any credibility if they don't remove him? Its not like he said they stuffed up, so they got rid of him. He stuffed up royally and needs to be removed. Very simple. CCP are not responsible about words or actions of any single individual, who is not officially acting on their behalf. CSM are not official CCP representatives, they are official player representatives.
Wrong.
+ The CSM is a body created by CCP + CSM reps receive benefits from CCP (air travel, merchandise etc) + CCP oversees the regulation of the CSM + Without CCP, there is no CSM
Personally I doubt the future of the CSM. It has become a major liability issue for CCP. In future, they'll probably just fly in focus groups who will be bound to NDAs. |

Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:56:00 -
[2238] - Quote
papamike wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote: Mittens is grown man in his 20's and he's a lawyer (or paralegal or whatever). He should know better.
There is no excuse.
What does RL job title got to do with it? I would have judged him the same if he was unemployed, if he was a bartender, if he was a doctor, if he was a lawyer, if he collected the garbage. I care not.
It's like when a firefighter puts a bunch of boxes in front of the emergency exit, or smokes in bed and sets their house on fire. It's one of those things they should just know better because it's their job.
Sort of like a lawyer/paralegal whatever knowing that cyberbullying is a crime - because it's their job to know.
Jesus we have some idiots on these forums. |

PinkKnife
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:58:00 -
[2239] - Quote
Regarding the apology, unfortunately Mittens now gets to learn the downside of being a notorious Troll and liar, no one believes you even when you aren't full of ****.
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
302
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:58:00 -
[2240] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: They are blogs made by players.
You can not compare blogs made by players to those sites that companies like CCP rely on heavily for marketing and advertising.
Whilst I generally do not like these sites and rarely bother visiting any of them simply because they don't give a **** about the players or games, just simply which developer pays them the most to get a good review, companies like CCP, Like Sony pay a hell of a lot attention to them.
The word will spread and soon this will be known as the biggest meta-gaming battle for power in EVE ever. And then EVE will grow even bigger. |
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
106
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:59:00 -
[2241] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters. And you have to include, that at the moment only Gaming Magazins report about it.
At Gaming Magazins you have people, who have deaper knowlage about behavior of players and maybe even EVE + EVE comunity. They might see it has "bad" but not "critical" and they might know how the CSM is placed to CCP.
But now get out of the gaming arena. Let's take some random 65+ politican or a random Newspaper. If they allready planed a law which limits Gaming. This would be a fantastic bone for them. And the Newspaper where a reporter works without any knowlage about gameing at all will in no way concider what is typical for a game. They just see the sozial aspect where "one guy calls to herass an other till he kills himselve". As worst case this can seen as "Mord Auftrag".
His presentation is on youtube and maybe coppied 10000 times allready. It is out of Mittanis and CCPs control anymore. Now CCP has to act as real world company.
Real World hits EVE? Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:00:00 -
[2242] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:low26 wrote: If CCP has any shred of credibility at all they have to remove him from the CS
And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion Quote: unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves EVE as much as he claims he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a P.R. problem with the gaming world and it's player bas
Remove Mittens and the company improves its P.R. image in the gaming world and among its non Goon player base.
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.
Goon alts need not reply  |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
140
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:04:00 -
[2243] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.
Who the **** are you kidding? Have you read the comments on other forums? Everyone is laughing at Eve. |

Prince Kobol
368
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:06:00 -
[2244] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters. And you have to include, that at the moment only Gaming Magazins report about it. At Gaming Magazins you have people, who have deaper knowlage about behavior of players and maybe even EVE + EVE comunity. They might see it has "bad" but not "critical" and they might know how the CSM is placed to CCP. But now get out of the gaming arena. Let's take some random 65+ politican or a random Newspaper. If they allready planed a law which limits Gaming. This would be a fantastic bone for them. And the Newspaper where a reporter works without any knowlage about gameing at all will in no way concider what is typical for a game. They just see the sozial aspect where "one guy calls to herass an other till he kills himselve". As worst case this can seen as "Mord Auftrag". His presentation is on youtube and maybe coppied 10000 times allready. It is out of Mittanis and CCPs control anymore. Now CCP has to act as real world company. Real World hits EVE?
I genuinely hope it doesn't.
At the moment in the UK their is a witch hunt going, and has been for a while now, blaming computer games for a host of different things.
Coupled with the daily reporting about instances of Cyber Bullying - Somebody only today was sentenced for racially-aggravated public order offence to incite violence and will spend up to 56 days behind bars for a 1 racist internet message he twitted.
This is what some people don't seem to realise. There is potentially a massive fall for CCP if they do not act quick and if somebody who wants to make a name for themselves gets hold of the story and it goes main stream.
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:09:00 -
[2245] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.
Who the **** are you kidding? Have you read the comments on other forums? Everyone is laughing at Eve.
I would consider, for example, "The Sins of a Solar Spymaster" series to carry more weight than the comments of the supposed "everyone" on some forums.  |

IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance
291
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:09:00 -
[2246] - Quote
One of the most dangerous things about the internet is its anonymous nature. It blurs the lines between what is acceptable and what is not. As a direct result you end up in situations like this one. Things get said. In here and more severely in the game it's 'harmless.' Out in the real world we have things called consequences. The Mittani should have known better. We are all adults and we should attempt to act like adults. Especially when we stand up in front of a group of other adults, regardless of our 'standing' within the community I don't know any of you personally and I can say that 99% of you, based on what you post here, I wouldn't especially care to know. Those in Goonswarm rushing to defend The Mittani have motive to do so, those rushing to attack him also have motive to do so. I very much fail to see how it accomplishes much of anything frankly. What is more disconcerting in the callous, flippant, nature of the criticism directed at the alledged victim through all of this Suicide and suicide prevention are not something to joke about nor should it be regarded flippantly. A person's rationale for feeling the way they feel is not for us to judge. The worthiness of the reasoning is not important and regardless of what intent this individual had in writing what he wrote the simple fact is that The Mittani and through the CSM; CCP have an obligation to take it seriously That is the true failure here in my opinion. What was said at Fanfest was out of line. What has been written in this threadnaught by some is even more disturbing to me in its callousness. When someone writes what this person wrote you take it seriously and you do what you can as a human being Suicide is a permanent solution to what is very often a temporary situation, it is not a laughing matter. Hiding behind an IP address and a Avatar does not change that What becomes of all this is not for us to decide and whatever penalties result I am sure they will be thoughfully considered. All we should ask of ourselves as a community of adult human beings playing a game is to act with a shred more decency and a little more decorum. The world is watching this and what you put on the internet is written in ink. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:10:00 -
[2247] - Quote
low26 wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:low26 wrote: If CCP has any shred of credibility at all they have to remove him from the CS
And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion Quote: unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves EVE as much as he claims he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a P.R. problem with the gaming world and it's player bas
Remove Mittens and the company improves its P.R. image in the gaming world and among its non Goon player base.
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP. Goon alts need not reply 
And how is this relevant at all to my post or to me?
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Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:11:00 -
[2248] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
Came here to see this
Saw this
notbad.jpg |

Galadriel Vasquez
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:15:00 -
[2249] - Quote
Guys he has apologised. Thats the end of the matter for me. Also isn't it interesting how people are talking of bullying and cyber harassment on this thread are now attacking The Mittani in the very same manner... What a great community... I thought it was our strength... I was wrong. I have tin foil hat trained to 5. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:15:00 -
[2250] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Karim alRashid wrote: And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion
How will CCP have any credibility if they don't remove him? Its not like he said they stuffed up, so they got rid of him. He stuffed up royally and needs to be removed. Very simple. CCP are not responsible about words or actions of any single individual, who is not officially acting on their behalf. CSM are not official CCP representatives, they are official player representatives. Wrong. + The CSM is a body created by CCP + CSM reps receive benefits from CCP (air travel, merchandise etc) + CCP oversees the regulation of the CSM + Without CCP, there is no CSM Personally I doubt the future of the CSM. It has become a major liability issue for CCP. In future, they'll probably just fly in focus groups who will be bound to NDAs.
About your first "point", if you cared to actually read what I wrote, you would have noticed that I said "CSM are", NOT "CSM is", which clearly indicates that I speak about the actual people, as opposed to speaking about the body.
The rest of you "points" are just written off as bunch inconsequential words bearing no relevant semantics.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:20:00 -
[2251] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:papamike wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote: Mittens is grown man in his 20's and he's a lawyer (or paralegal or whatever). He should know better.
There is no excuse.
What does RL job title got to do with it? I would have judged him the same if he was unemployed, if he was a bartender, if he was a doctor, if he was a lawyer, if he collected the garbage. I care not. It's like when a firefighter puts a bunch of boxes in front of the emergency exit, or smokes in bed and sets their house on fire. It's one of those things they should just know better because it's their job. Sort of like a lawyer/paralegal whatever knowing that cyberbullying is a crime - because it's their job to know. Jesus we have some idiots on these forums.
Cyberbullying requires the participants be underaged children, by definition. By continuing to spout off the Cyberbullying crap you're just making yourselves out to be complete and utter dumbfucks. Of course, you're an NPC sockpuppet alt, so you're a dumbfuck coward by definition, so... welp.
It's ******* EVE, if you're shocked at someone being mean and telling someone to go kill themselves, you are playing the wrong ******* game. Go find a copy of X3: Terran Conflict, you'll enjoy it better.
But hey, lets assume for a moment that a law designed to protect a bunch of helpless little kids applies to 30 year old men. Lets take this albsolutely pants on head ******** worldview, just for a second -- not too long now, acting this stupid hurts. Even if it did apply, cyberbullying still requires it take place on the Internet, and as everyone is quick to point out, "this wasn't in EVE it was on the panel zomg horror." That's the "CYBER" part, geddit?
Except since it wasn't in EVE it doesn't break any CCP rules but that doesn't matter cause "it's totally an EVE function cause a CCP employee was within a 500 mile radius zomg horror."
You stupid dipshits will contort yourself in any which way to try and find some way to argue that Mittani is a VERY BAD MAN.
It's EVE. It's full of very bad men! It's called a Sandbox for a reason. That's what makes it unique and special and fun as hell.
Grow some balls or get the **** out. |

Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
483
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:25:00 -
[2252] - Quote
get your tinfoilhats and consider the following:
as soon as the mittani announces his willingness to step down as CSM chairman CCP rows back on the scheduled titan nerfs
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SpaceBenfish
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:25:00 -
[2253] - Quote
We all know how easy it is to troll the general eve player base and the media, but trolling the Mittani doesn't happen everyday.
I'm a bit impressed. |

Alexander Taos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:26:00 -
[2254] - Quote
How come no one is addressing the issue that the "victim" in this case was only saying he was going to kill himself in order to get compensation from getting ganked?
I think the whole "I'm going to kill myself" was crap from the start because of the following:
1. It happened months ago. 2. He's still playing today. 3. He accepted a ton of cash from The Mitanni 4. He accepted an apology from The Mitanni 5. He hasn't made any public comments about it, other than a log paste that shows he thinks it stupid, but other than that, no outrage whatsoever.
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low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:30:00 -
[2255] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:low26 wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:low26 wrote: If CCP has any shred of credibility at all they have to remove him from the CS
And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion Quote: unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves EVE as much as he claims he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a P.R. problem with the gaming world and it's player bas
Remove Mittens and the company improves its P.R. image in the gaming world and among its non Goon player base.
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP. Goon alts need not reply  And how is this relevant at all to my post or to me?
It is not me it was your hero Mittens who said NPC alts are not relevent  |

Prince Kobol
370
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:30:00 -
[2256] - Quote
Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:papamike wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote: Mittens is grown man in his 20's and he's a lawyer (or paralegal or whatever). He should know better.
There is no excuse.
What does RL job title got to do with it? I would have judged him the same if he was unemployed, if he was a bartender, if he was a doctor, if he was a lawyer, if he collected the garbage. I care not. It's like when a firefighter puts a bunch of boxes in front of the emergency exit, or smokes in bed and sets their house on fire. It's one of those things they should just know better because it's their job. Sort of like a lawyer/paralegal whatever knowing that cyberbullying is a crime - because it's their job to know. Jesus we have some idiots on these forums. Cyberbullying requires the participants be underaged children, by definition. By continuing to spout off the Cyberbullying crap you're just making yourselves out to be complete and utter dumbfucks. Of course, you're an NPC sockpuppet alt, so you're a dumbfuck coward by definition, so... welp. It's ******* EVE, if you're shocked at someone being mean and mocking fake suicide threats, you are playing the wrong ******* game. Go find a copy of X3: Terran Conflict, you'll enjoy it better. But hey, lets assume for a moment that a law designed to protect a bunch of helpless little kids applies to 30 year old men. Lets take this albsolutely pants on head ******** worldview, just for a second -- not too long now, acting this stupid hurts. Even if it did apply, cyberbullying still requires it take place on the Internet, and as everyone is quick to point out, "this wasn't in EVE it was on the panel zomg horror." That's the "CYBER" part, geddit? Except since it wasn't in EVE it doesn't break any CCP rules but that doesn't matter cause "it's totally an EVE function cause a CCP employee was within a 500 mile radius zomg horror." You stupid dipshits will contort yourself in any which way to try and find some way to argue that Mittani is a VERY BAD MAN. It's EVE. It's full of very bad men! It's called a Sandbox for a reason. That's what makes it unique and special and fun as hell. Grow some balls or get the **** out.
You do realise that you are doing exactly what those who want The Mittani to be removed form the CSM and banned want don't you?
Also, I suspect you are talking about the Laws in the US? Now I'm not sure, and this is a guess, but people from other countries also play Eve and their laws are different.
So for example in the UK there a 5 different laws you can be arrested for when it comes to Cyber Bullying and none of those laws have an age limit.
I also know that Australia they are very tetchy when it comes to computer games and violence.
So whilst no laws may of been broken, the press fall out could greatly effect the reputation of CCP. Lets put it is this, lets say that in the UK and Australia, 2 countries that love to slam computer games pick up on the story, they do a bit of digging and see what Eve is famous for and the kind of language that is used both in game and on the forums is used.
They see that Eve is only rated for TEEN, inappropriate for use by children under the age of thirteen. There would be such an outcry it would be unbelievable.
Its media attention like that which can cause harm to Eve.
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RogueMind
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:30:00 -
[2257] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.
Who the **** are you kidding? Have you read the comments on other forums? Everyone is laughing at Eve.
From a PR perspective, people have laughed harder and longer at some of the things CCP has done to itself. CCP has done more damage to CCP than Mittani will ever do with a grief job. Sounds like theres no hard feelings between Mittani and Wis, Mittani apologized. I'm not going to bother arguing about the riots and the people asking if I was serious because thats too easy to dismantle.
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Salem Aurilen
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:31:00 -
[2258] - Quote
The depressing aspect to all of this is that one guy is an unwitting catalyst to this drama which is going to result in harassment from both sides of this argument and the most respectful thing anybody that is trying to show this guy a bit of sympathy can do is hold their tongue and let CCP investigate this quietly and without incident. |

Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
483
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:33:00 -
[2259] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:They see that Eve is only rated for TEEN, inappropriate for use by children under the age of thirteen. There would be such an outcry it would be unbelievable. all online interactions with other players in EVE are unrated - I can't check right now, but I'm pretty sure that' prominently displayed on the log in screen (at least it used to be). |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:33:00 -
[2260] - Quote
Does anyone know if the guy with 23 accounts who was botting has been banned yet?
Rules are still rules. |
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Wyatt 3arp
IPT BR3
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:35:00 -
[2261] - Quote
SOoooo funny when you see goons asking someone to HTFU. Its not like they have been crying for years for ccp to shape the game for them, bcause of their lack of effort/focus. "but but ze sandbox,,,11!!1"
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Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
54
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:36:00 -
[2262] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.
Then they are reporting it wrong.
So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".
It's sad to see all the people who can't stand The Mittani because they think that "goons want to destroy the game" scream, cry, and push this to the press in order to get him removed, thus giving EVE and it's player base a bad name are the one doing the most damage to the game of EVE they claim they are trying to protect. |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:36:00 -
[2263] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Real adults know when to admit they are wrong. Are we surprised by the goons not getting it?
True, but whose defanition of a real adult are you going to use. Again this is a personal interpretation. I am fastly approaching the crest of the hill yet I still play games some would see that as not the behaviour appropriate of an adult. Yet they do not know that the average age of games is a lot older than the teenage crowd.
Maturity and cronology are not necessarily the same thing. I havedone many jobs in my working life and I have seen examples of extremely immature 40 and 50+ year old people let alone those in their 20s, and I have also seen some extremely mature behaviour from kids below the age of majority.
As I have said elsewhere can't remember if it was this thread or another, senaility is setting in as the crest of the hill approaches, I was raised to see an appology as a sign of a personal strength, some are raised the opposite and see appoogies as a sign of weakness.
Instinct can also over ride logic or rational thought. If I am backed into a corner I come out all claws sharpened and woe betide anyone who gets in my way. However I could be totally in the wrong at that point, and only with hindsight will I see it. As it is things are still too heated for those who are in opposing camps to see each others side of the argument let alone acknowledge it they have a valid point.
I will say again however the value or lock there of of an appology can only be based on the intent of the person making it not what their friends think of it.
As to the question of suprise I can not answer it I am too new to the game to have any knowledge of them. |

Z2ZzzzZ2Z
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:36:00 -
[2264] - Quote
ShahFluffers wrote:Today class... we learn that morality is but a mere construct and is not shared by everyone. We will also learn that it is entirely possible to be completely amoral whilst breaking no actual law.
Well said. Sad that CCP condones such actions by allowing him to speak for all players of the community. Elected by 10k retards doesn't give you carte blanche behave sub human. There are real people who spend a lot of time playing this game and ones actions can have real consequences. Steal some one's pixels ... fair enough... encouraging someone to end their life is yet another... telling the masses to encourage someone to kill them is disgusting. As human beings we need to say that that is unacceptable.
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Alexander Taos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:39:00 -
[2265] - Quote
Z2ZzzzZ2Z wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Today class... we learn that morality is but a mere construct and is not shared by everyone. We will also learn that it is entirely possible to be completely amoral whilst breaking no actual law. Well said. Sad that CCP condones such actions by allowing him to speak for all players of the community. Elected by 10k retards doesn't give you carte blanche behave sub human. There are real people who spend a lot of time playing this game and ones actions can have real consequences. Steal some one's pixels ... fair enough... encouraging someone to end their life is yet another... telling the masses to encourage someone to kill them is disgusting. As human beings we need to say that that is unacceptable. As a human being, you should also be called out for calling people retards. |

Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:43:00 -
[2266] - Quote
Wyatt 3arp wrote:SOoooo funny when you see goons asking someone to HTFU. Its not like they have been crying for years for ccp to shape the game for them, bcause of their lack of effort/focus. "but but ze sandbox,,,11!!1"
Some of the mad titan pilots posting here are more obvious than others! |

Prince Kobol
370
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:43:00 -
[2267] - Quote
Manssell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters. Then they are reporting it wrong. So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE". It's sad to see all the people who can't stand The Mittani because they think that "goons want to destroy the game" scream, cry, and push this to the press in order to get him removed, thus giving EVE and it's player base a bad name are the one doing the most damage to the game of EVE they claim they are trying to protect.
and you think CCP give a damn what we think? |

Saul Caris
Lollipops for Rancors
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:44:00 -
[2268] - Quote
Do not support. I don't support the Mittani's platform either, but I don't see why he should resign. Granted the Alliance Panel should be overhauled so they're not all drunk when they do it, but far worse things are said in game.
The apology is enough for me. |

nestafarios
stooge in plain sight
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:48:00 -
[2269] - Quote
Welcome to the political arena m8, everything you say can and will be held against you; especially when it is aired for many to see, public speaking is an interesting thing, and sometimes what you say may have consequences.
A leader in a PUBLIC arena (and that is the issue) must be careful of his/her words and actions, because they are representing something larger than they are. Repercussions should follow the CSM guidelines what ever they may be. |

Temmu Guerra
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
51
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:49:00 -
[2270] - Quote
Anyone else notice that either all the stories are getting quotes from the same guy or just running the same story... |
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velox
Darkside Gardens
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:49:00 -
[2271] - Quote
Manssell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters. Then they are reporting it wrong. So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE". It's sad to see all the people who can't stand The Mittani because they think that "goons want to destroy the game" scream, cry, and push this to the press in order to get him removed, thus giving EVE and it's player base a bad name are the one doing the most damage to the game of EVE they claim they are trying to protect.
Times are changing and being held accountable for things typed in game on twitter/facebook or in the public domain is definately where we are living now.
Today in the UK a student got sentenced to 58 days in jail for tweeting racial slurs about the footballer who collapsed in the cup game.
Mittani started by saying 'If you want to see the guy kill himself' if he hadn't of used that sentence then yes it would have just been in game griefing, instead of something else.
In the UK it was public complaints about the students comments that got him arrested not a complaint from the footballer, not sure what the laws view is like in the USA but its probably lucky he isnt a UK resident.
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Sol Tertia
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:51:00 -
[2272] - Quote
Xython wrote: It's ******* EVE, if you're shocked at someone being mean and mocking fake suicide threats, you are playing the wrong ******* game. Go find a copy of X3: Terran Conflict, you'll enjoy it better.
The Mittani disagrees, in his own words 'While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.'
I'm not going to comment either publicly or privately on whether he should resign or not but defending what he said seems a little pointless when he himself thinks he behaved like a ****. |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:54:00 -
[2273] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.
Who really cares.... let the masses be scared away. EVE is a harsh place. |

Prince Kobol
370
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:55:00 -
[2274] - Quote
Welsige wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters. Who really cares.... let the masses be scared away. EVE is a harsh place.
Erm.. CCP care, the people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP Care, CCP's official sponsors care.
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:57:00 -
[2275] - Quote
velox wrote:Manssell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters. Then they are reporting it wrong. So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE". It's sad to see all the people who can't stand The Mittani because they think that "goons want to destroy the game" scream, cry, and push this to the press in order to get him removed, thus giving EVE and it's player base a bad name are the one doing the most damage to the game of EVE they claim they are trying to protect. Times are changing and being held accountable for things typed in game on twitter/facebook or in the public domain is definately where we are living now. Today in the UK a student got sentenced to 58 days in jail for tweeting racial slurs about the footballer who collapsed in the cup game. Mittani started by saying 'If you want to see the guy kill himself' if he hadn't of used that sentence then yes it would have just been in game griefing, instead of something else. In the UK it was public complaints about the students comments that got him arrested not a complaint from the footballer, not sure what the laws view is like in the USA but its probably lucky he isnt a UK resident.
But its not really harassment. No one will stop the guy on the street and call him out. No one will post in his real life facebook, twitter, whatever. No one will know about it, just the online persona. And really, who gives a **** about it in-game? I could care less about a miner and as far as I am concerned he can keep his mining and I wont even remember his name in 1 week.
To be truthfull, the people making the most damage are you guys stirring all this mess and publicity. |

Lexmana
Imperial Stout
306
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:57:00 -
[2276] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Welsige wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters. Who really cares.... let the masses be scared away. EVE is a harsh place. Erm.. CCP care, the people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP Care, CCP's official sponsors care.
Did you listen to David Ried at fanfest? Stories about the harsh nature of EVE is its biggest marketing asset. |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:59:00 -
[2277] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Welsige wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters. Who really cares.... let the masses be scared away. EVE is a harsh place. Erm.. CCP care, the people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP Care, CCP's official sponsors care.
Now, do they? |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:01:00 -
[2278] - Quote
low26 wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:low26 wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:And how CCP will maintain their credibility if they remove at will player-elected representatives? How will CSM be ever taken seriously not as CCP puppets, who can't dare to cross CCP's opinion Quote: unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves EVE as much as he claims he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a P.R. problem with the gaming world and it's player bas
Remove Mittens and the company improves its P.R. image in the gaming world and among its non Goon player base.
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP. Goon alts need not reply  And how is this relevant at all to my post or to me? It is not me it was your hero Mittens who said NPC alts are not relevent 
You don't seem very intelligent.
It's obvious that I'm not an NPC alt, but an NPC main.
You decided that I'm a Goon alt just because of the opinions I have stated on the subject in hand and despite my corporate history, which in no way indicates I'm being anyone's alt, let alone Goon's. This way you clearly demonstrated that you cannot comprehend non-pollitically motivated opinions, hence we can come to the conclusion that all you wrote on this topic is motivated by Mittens being your in-game enemy, rather than being based on any notion of morals and decency, thus can be safely ignored. |

Bill Banner
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:02:00 -
[2279] - Quote
Welsige wrote:velox wrote:Manssell wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters. Then they are reporting it wrong. So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE". It's sad to see all the people who can't stand The Mittani because they think that "goons want to destroy the game" scream, cry, and push this to the press in order to get him removed, thus giving EVE and it's player base a bad name are the one doing the most damage to the game of EVE they claim they are trying to protect. Times are changing and being held accountable for things typed in game on twitter/facebook or in the public domain is definately where we are living now. Today in the UK a student got sentenced to 58 days in jail for tweeting racial slurs about the footballer who collapsed in the cup game. Mittani started by saying 'If you want to see the guy kill himself' if he hadn't of used that sentence then yes it would have just been in game griefing, instead of something else. In the UK it was public complaints about the students comments that got him arrested not a complaint from the footballer, not sure what the laws view is like in the USA but its probably lucky he isnt a UK resident. But its not really harassment. No one will stop the guy on the street and call him out. No one will post in his real life facebook, twitter, whatever. No one will know about it, just the online persona. And really, who gives a **** about it in-game? I could care less about a miner and as far as I am concerned he can keep his mining and I wont even remember his name in 1 week. To be truthfull, the people making the most damage are you guys stirring all this mess and publicity.
Except for the fact that he had personal information in his bio, such as a link to his website and blog.
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
448
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:02:00 -
[2280] - Quote
Manssell wrote:
So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".
I understand your point but let me explain it a different way. It reaches the point of "bullying" when the offender knows the guy is depressed and suicidal and calls upon thousands of people to do just that. It's AKA harassment.
Quote:
It's sad to see all the people who can't stand The Mittani because they think that "goons want to destroy the game" scream, cry, and push this to the press in order to get him removed, thus giving EVE and it's player base a bad name are the one doing the most damage to the game of EVE they claim they are trying to protect.
I think this is deserving of a HTFU. So HTFU. As much as Mittens loves to profess meta-gaming superiority, is it any wonder it is now being turned upon him?
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:04:00 -
[2281] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine
Is it embarrassing to be this ignorant? Or do you just not notice?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |

Fox Amatin
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:04:00 -
[2282] - Quote
Quote:This way you clearly demonstrated that you cannot comprehend non-pollitically motivated opinions, hence we can come to the conclusion that all you wrote on this topic is motivated by Mittens being your in-game enemy, rather than being based on any notion of morals and decency, thus can be safely ignored.
Oooooh Snap ...
+1
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Prince Kobol
370
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:05:00 -
[2283] - Quote
Welsige wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Welsige wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters. Who really cares.... let the masses be scared away. EVE is a harsh place. Erm.. CCP care, the people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP Care, CCP's official sponsors care. Now, do they?
Well if they didn't they could of just told Euro Gamer that it was all just a joke and nobody should be offended. Instead they said and I quote
In response, CCP issued a statement criticising the "abhorrent behaviour" that occurred. It is reproduced in full below.
"I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players, especially those who suffer from depression or suicidal thoughts, as we understand the possible consequences of such abhorrent behaviour," CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker said.
"Our Terms of Service (TOS), which can be found here, mirror our company's stance on this matter.
"While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, we do take very seriously accusations of such behaviour between our players.
"Furthermore, we have a suicide hotline protocol which has, in specific cases, made a difference for several unfortunately troubled players. We appreciate you voicing your concerns on this level, and CCP will be very vigilant in monitoring any behaviour directed towards the individual named in the presentation.
"We are undertaking a full internal review of this panel as well as the process used for vetting the panel's materials. Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others."
Now maybe they don't give a **** and this is all just spin, I guess we will see in the next few days when CCP make an announcement.
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stoicfaux
843
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:12:00 -
[2284] - Quote
Manssell wrote: Then they are reporting it wrong.
So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"?
Speaking of getting it wrong, blowing up someone's internet spaceships and griefing aren't in the same category as: "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is..." In public. In front of a video camera being streamed to a world wide audience. About a guy who claimed to be suicidal.
It's a subtle distinction, but an important one.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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KanashiiKami
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:20:00 -
[2285] - Quote
i read what mitani said about his apology,
i for 1 do not accept it. WHY?
1. you are a person in the position of power, but you acted like a terrorist. so now you are elected to power, and you empower your followers to act like a terrorist too ? so the in game terrorism fails to amuse or entertain you enough, and so due to your drunkardness you expressed you hearts desires IRL? to openly terrorize real people? 2. you are present before a public event, secondarily representing a game community. and you asked the players to get someone to kill himself. and think that the person is a joke IRL? and by getting everyone to laugh along with you on it means it is fine? 3. his reasoning is that he is drunk and he accepts that as a serious mistake? so, you expect me to agree that because you are drunk you can command thousand of folks to go around killing other people IRL? so what happens if you get into a mental state that have more dangerous thoughts? it is not funny to belittle a mentally challenged person.
i will not accept just a simple reprimand by expulsion from CSM. i will like to see bans. what he did DOES NOT promote good game culture. period. and not being reprimanded will only lead to worse events in the future.
PERMA player ban for alex WUT ??? |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:21:00 -
[2286] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:low26 wrote: From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.
Goon alts need not reply 
It is not me it was your hero Mittens who said NPC alts are not relevent [/quote]
You don't seem very intelligent.
It's obvious that I'm not an NPC alt, but an NPC main.
You decided that I'm a Goon alt just because of the opinions I have stated on the subject in hand and despite my corporate history, which in no way indicates I'm being anyone's alt, let alone Goon's. This way you clearly demonstrated that you cannot comprehend non-pollitically motivated opinions, hence we can come to the conclusion that all you wrote on this topic is motivated by Mittens being your in-game enemy, rather than being based on any notion of morals and decency, thus can be safely ignored.[/quote]
Yes, because no one in this game has hidden alts amirite? 
You assume simply because you spam the forums, people are going to beleive every word you say? You could be anyone, no player in game has anyway to tell different. So most people are going to assume your a Goon, or a wannabee Goon. That anonyominity gives a huge advantage for the morally bankrupt crowd. Only CCP knows for sure, and even that is probably questionable. With the number of accounts I've seen passed around thru the years, there are probably 1000's of accounts that CCP has no idea who is running now.
The Goon's mantra is to ruin the game for everyone else, at this rate, they may actually succeed if this keeps up...
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |

low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:21:00 -
[2287] - Quote
It is not me it was your hero Mittens who said NPC alts are not relevent [/quote]
You don't seem very intelligent.
It's obvious that I'm not an NPC alt, but an NPC main.
You decided that I'm a Goon alt just because of the opinions I have stated on the subject in hand and despite my corporate history, which in no way indicates I'm being anyone's alt, let alone Goon's. This way you clearly demonstrated that you cannot comprehend non-pollitically motivated opinions, hence we can come to the conclusion that all you wrote on this topic is motivated by Mittens being your in-game enemy, rather than being based on any notion of morals and decency, thus can be safely ignored.[/quote]
I refuse to keep arguing with a fool. Simply put try and follow along, have you even read the comments on the gamming sites?Most of them are bad for Eve. I do not care that he is my in-game enemy I care that he makes us all look like @zzhats. Try and see thru your in-game motivations and biases and realize he made us all look teribble. |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
64
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:25:00 -
[2288] - Quote
As Low26 has stated earlier - This is all so simple.. Mitten's comments were mean spirited and way over the top. As a lawyer, Mittani has to know he is responsible for what he says, alcohol or not.
As CSM chairman, Mittani represents Eve Online, like it or not. At a time Eve should be getting good press from the gaming world, during fanfest, we look like a bunch of asshats. Have you seen some of the comments people have made about Eve on these gaming sites? They are not good, Eve looks like a bunch of un-caring bullies. Way to go Mittens, you douche.
If CCP has any sense of credibility at all, they have to remove him from the CSM, unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves Eve as much as he claims, he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a PR nightmare with the gaming world and it's player base.
Remove Mittens and the company improves its PR image in the gaming world and among its non-Goon player base. To keep Mittens and Goons happy would mean that your image suffers, CCP and the Eve community. Best solution: Mittens steps up, falls on the sword, and keeps his zerglings in line from some kind of stupid retaliation against the Eve community. - It really is just as simple as this.. Mittens knew what he was doing, drunk or not. He is causing CCP and the Eve community all kinds of PR hell. Goons are not helping this image with their crusade to defend their leader for no sensible reason. All forum trolls aside, Mittani must go. I expect one of the aforementioned Goon-Crusader-Mittens-Lover-NPC-Alts will be quick to jump at this, but they know that they are wrong and only want to cause unnecessary drama to distract from the real issue at hand. All this said, Mittens, Resign from CSM and CEO and it will make everyone's lives much easier (Namely CCP and the entire Eve Community). |

Piatora
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
118
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:27:00 -
[2289] - Quote
I call for ALL footage of the event from every single person who attended and had a device capable of recording image or sound. I request that these images/sounds be carefully considered by a group of independent experts whose only task is to identify people. I further request that everyone who had anything not resembling a somber look of disappointment and disgust to be summarily banned from Eve Online and/or fired from their position at CCP. The only way to be well and truly sorry about this issue is to have everyone who was mirthful about this be brought to justice. No-one shall be safe from the long arm of the law. If there was a way to capture who was viewing the live stream and determine their mood during the "Slay Thyself Scandal" I would include my previous request to include data capture of that as well and to enact retribution and judgement on them as well.
Since my above idea isn't possible I guess we should all just bring up this issue as a straw man to try and get Mittens/Goons in trouble again? Ok, BURN THE WITCH!! |

zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:31:00 -
[2290] - Quote
he should be kicked from the csm for gross misconduct simples
the hollow appology is to late |
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Javier McPoopbeard
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:32:00 -
[2291] - Quote
This is a bad thread. |

Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
54
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:34:00 -
[2292] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Manssell wrote:
So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".
I understand your point but let me explain it a different way. It reaches the point of "bullying" when the offender knows the guy is depressed and suicidal and calls upon thousands of people to do just that. It's AKA harassment.
I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here, but if we go down this path would't that mean any miner with a ship name of "I"m suicidal" couldn't be ganked then? Or if an alliance leader made a blog post saying how depressed they where, and how the alliance was the only thing that kept them alive, would't that mean no one who read that could war dec them (a war dec is just calling on thousands of people to harass someone right)? I mean it is EVE, people would do that.
I think the problem is we are in a really grey area here and what I don't like seeing is all the spin to make this out as the worst case scenario of bullying for political gain which in the long run may hurt the cold harsh universe of EVE most of us love. |

Prince Kobol
373
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:35:00 -
[2293] - Quote
Manssell wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Manssell wrote:
So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".
I understand your point but let me explain it a different way. It reaches the point of "bullying" when the offender knows the guy is depressed and suicidal and calls upon thousands of people to do just that. It's AKA harassment. I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here, but if we go down this path would't that mean any miner with a ship name of "I"m suicidal" couldn't be ganked then? Or if an alliance leader made a blog post saying how depressed they where, and how the alliance was the only thing that kept them alive, would't that mean no one who read that could war dec them (a war dec is just calling on thousands of people to harass someone right)? I mean it is EVE, people would do that. I think the problem is we are in a really grey area here and what I don't like seeing is all the spin to make this out as the worst case scenario of bullying for political gain which in the long run may hurt the cold harsh universe of EVE most of us love.
Yet isn't meta-gaming one of the very things the Goons are famous for? |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
405
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:35:00 -
[2294] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:If you really wanted to know that you could look it up, but you don't really want to know that, you just want free likes from goons for taunting me. I'll give you your like, and you come back when you learn to internet. You should apply to their alliance BTW. They will give you a good deal on application fees and carriers. All I know is that Mittani has made many enemies in this game over the years and that they all smell blood right now and think they have a good chance to force him off his elected chair. These threadnoughts are not mainly about the badly chosen spur of the moment remark during Q&A at fanfest. This is about revenge. You smell blood. And you are going for the kill.
Like I said, learn to fuckin internet. The goons never touched me, ever. And learn to read what people write before you comment on it. Its ******* ignorant not to.
I asked him politely to resign and gave legitimate reasons why. I didn't ask for him to be banned and I didn't ask for the goons to punished in any way. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Raneru
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:35:00 -
[2295] - Quote
Jesus Christ people. Please step away from your keyboards and breathe for a second.
Alex said these comments while in the "Alliance Panel", which is essentially a role playing panel where he was portraying the fictional character "The Mittani" and talking about another FICTIONAL CHARACTER "The Wiz".
How do you know that what the wiz said in his original evemail was truthful and not a ploy to get the isk for his makinaws back? Oh right, it was said over the internet and therefore it must be true?
Talking smack about a character in an online spaceship game is not cyber bullying. This is amazing publicity for CCP and Eve as it will probably make the mainstream press.
Just end this madness and go back to your game. |

Piatora
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
118
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:37:00 -
[2296] - Quote
That is "The Wis" T-H-E-SPACE-W-I-S. Correct thyself fool.
Mining on 20 mackinaws with an orca booster is serious business son. He mines them all himself!! You show some respect whipper snapper!! |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:39:00 -
[2297] - Quote
RogueMind wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.
Who the **** are you kidding? Have you read the comments on other forums? Everyone is laughing at Eve. From a PR perspective, people have laughed harder and longer at some of the things CCP has done to itself. CCP has done more damage to CCP than Mittani will ever do with a grief job. Sounds like theres no hard feelings between Mittani and Wis, Mittani apologized.
boot.ini |

Prince Kobol
374
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:41:00 -
[2298] - Quote
Raneru wrote:Jesus Christ people. Please step away from your keyboards and breathe for a second.
Alex said these comments while in the "Alliance Panel", which is essentially a role playing panel where he was portraying the fictional character "The Mittani" and talking about another FICTIONAL CHARACTER "The Wiz".
How do you know that what the wiz said in his original evemail was truthful and not a ploy to get the isk for his makinaws back? Oh right, it was said over the internet and therefore it must be true?
Talking smack about a character in an online spaceship game is not cyber bullying. This is amazing publicity for CCP and Eve as it will probably make the mainstream press.
Just end this madness and go back to your game.
If you think having your product being famous for Cyber Bullying is good publicity I suggest you go find a newspaper and see how people are reacting towards Cyber Bullying and how computer games are destroying the very morals of young children.
Whether you call bullshit on it doesn't matter, what matters is in a lot countries people are gunning for any person, group of people or companies that does nothing or even worse, encourages this kind of behaviour. |

Piatora
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
118
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:41:00 -
[2299] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RogueMind wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.
Who the **** are you kidding? Have you read the comments on other forums? Everyone is laughing at Eve. From a PR perspective, people have laughed harder and longer at some of the things CCP has done to itself. CCP has done more damage to CCP than Mittani will ever do with a grief job. Sounds like theres no hard feelings between Mittani and Wis, Mittani apologized. boot.ini
not empty quoting. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:41:00 -
[2300] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:i read what mitani said about his apology,
i for 1 do not accept it. WHY?
1. you are a person in the position of power, but you acted like a terrorist.
Stopped reading here.
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Piatora
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
118
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:42:00 -
[2301] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:i read what mitani said about his apology,
i for 1 do not accept it. WHY?
1. you are a person in the position of power, but you acted like a terrorist. Stopped reading here.
If you stop reading the terrorists win. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
406
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:48:00 -
[2302] - Quote
Piatora wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:i read what mitani said about his apology,
i for 1 do not accept it. WHY?
1. you are a person in the position of power, but you acted like a terrorist. Stopped reading here. If you stop reading the terrorists win.
You win the internet. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
67
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:48:00 -
[2303] - Quote
de4deye wrote:As Low26 has stated earlier - This is all so simple.. Mitten's comments were mean spirited and way over the top. As a lawyer, Mittani has to know he is responsible for what he says, alcohol or not.
As CSM chairman, Mittani represents Eve Online, like it or not. At a time Eve should be getting good press from the gaming world, during fanfest, we look like a bunch of asshats. Have you seen some of the comments people have made about Eve on these gaming sites? They are not good, Eve looks like a bunch of un-caring bullies. Way to go Mittens, you douche.
If CCP has any sense of credibility at all, they have to remove him from the CSM, unless this is how they want their company perceived. If the Mittani loves Eve as much as he claims, he would step down himself and save CCP the trouble. Either way CCP has itself a PR nightmare with the gaming world and it's player base.
Remove Mittens and the company improves its PR image in the gaming world and among its non-Goon player base. To keep Mittens and Goons happy would mean that your image suffers, CCP and the Eve community. Best solution: Mittens steps up, falls on the sword, and keeps his zerglings in line from some kind of stupid retaliation against the Eve community. - It really is just as simple as this.. Mittens knew what he was doing, drunk or not. He is causing CCP and the Eve community all kinds of PR hell. Goons are not helping this image with their crusade to defend their leader for no sensible reason. All forum trolls aside, Mittani must go. I expect one of the aforementioned Goon-Crusader-Mittens-Lover-NPC-Alts will be quick to jump at this, but they know that they are wrong and only want to cause unnecessary drama to distract from the real issue at hand. All this said, Mittens, Resign from CSM and CEO and it will make everyone's lives much easier (Namely CCP and the entire Eve Community).
Why do I bother to bring up a real argument while there are a half of a dozen people here quoting eachother just to bicker at eachother over issues non-related to the topic? Please focus and stay on topic. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:51:00 -
[2304] - Quote
You're presenting hypotheses as facts. |

Lord Grantham
Downton Endeavours
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:52:00 -
[2305] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:i read what mitani said about his apology,
i for 1 do not accept it. WHY?
1. you are a person in the position of power, but you acted like a terrorist. so now you are elected to power, and you empower your followers to act like a terrorist too ? so the in game terrorism fails to amuse or entertain you enough, and so due to your drunkardness you expressed you hearts desires IRL? to openly terrorize real people? 2. you are present before a public event, secondarily representing a game community. and you asked the players to get someone to kill himself. and think that the person is a joke IRL? and by getting everyone to laugh along with you on it means it is fine? 3. his reasoning is that he is drunk and he accepts that as a serious mistake? so, you expect me to agree that because you are drunk you can command thousand of folks to go around killing other people IRL? so what happens if you get into a mental state that have more dangerous thoughts? it is not funny to belittle a mentally challenged person.
i will not accept just a simple reprimand by expulsion from CSM. i will like to see bans. what he did DOES NOT promote good game culture. period. and not being reprimanded will only lead to worse events in the future.
PERMA player ban for alex
Your inability to use proper grammar and punctuation when debating a point makes your argument somewhat tenuous. Also, your use of rhetorical questions should be a capital crime rather than a ban-able offense. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
258
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:55:00 -
[2306] - Quote
I am becoming more and more disturbed by the fact the goons are not only pro Cyber Bullying.
But for cyber bullying to such and end as leading to suicide and murder by proxy.
Thats a very scary thing.
This is becoming even bigger then Alex. Its fine if you just mess with a guy in game, but once you take it out of game I think there is a major problem here.
They are basically saying its ok to murder people by proxy as a Corp/cult. Goons are defending killing people IRL.
This is a new level of messed up.
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
68
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:55:00 -
[2307] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:You're presenting hypotheses as facts. No I'm not, this is why I called it an "Argument". An argument suggests that it is opinion driven, and is up to others to decide if they agree or not. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:57:00 -
[2308] - Quote
I find especially hilarious the notion that CCP will maintain their ~credibility~ by removing any player representative, who they find inconvenient from a PR or bottom line point of view.
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KanashiiKami
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:57:00 -
[2309] - Quote
Lord Grantham wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:i read what mitani said about his apology,
i for 1 do not accept it. WHY?
1. you are a person in the position of power, but you acted like a terrorist. so now you are elected to power, and you empower your followers to act like a terrorist too ? so the in game terrorism fails to amuse or entertain you enough, and so due to your drunkardness you expressed you hearts desires IRL? to openly terrorize real people? 2. you are present before a public event, secondarily representing a game community. and you asked the players to get someone to kill himself. and think that the person is a joke IRL? and by getting everyone to laugh along with you on it means it is fine? 3. his reasoning is that he is drunk and he accepts that as a serious mistake? so, you expect me to agree that because you are drunk you can command thousand of folks to go around killing other people IRL? so what happens if you get into a mental state that have more dangerous thoughts? it is not funny to belittle a mentally challenged person.
i will not accept just a simple reprimand by expulsion from CSM. i will like to see bans. what he did DOES NOT promote good game culture. period. and not being reprimanded will only lead to worse events in the future.
PERMA player ban for alex Your inability to use proper grammar and punctuation when debating a point makes your argument somewhat tenuous. Also, your use of rhetorical questions should be a capital crime rather than a ban-able offense.
im never good at debating and i have poor command of english ... you are sooo clever to point that out .... sooooo clever :D ... WUT ??? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
258
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:58:00 -
[2310] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:I find especially hilarious the notion that CCP will maintain their ~credibility~ by removing any player representative, who they find inconvenient from a PR or bottom line point of view.
When that person basically called for a lynch mod to murder someone by forcing them to suicide?
I think your compass is broken. |
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:00:00 -
[2311] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:You're presenting hypotheses as facts. No I'm not, this is why I called it an "Argument". An argument suggests that it is opinion driven, and is up to others to decide if they agree or not.
No, it is not.
An argument is an opinion accompanied with the relevant evidence or logical reasoning.
You lack evidence or logical reasoning.
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KanashiiKami
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:00:00 -
[2312] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:I find especially hilarious the notion that CCP will maintain their ~credibility~ by removing any player representative, who they find inconvenient from a PR or bottom line point of view.
so if you manufacture a famous brand of ketchup ... your ketchup brand ambasador get drunk during a commercial and says ... you can use the ketchup to drown mentality handicapped people ... you are saying this is good? LOL !!! the things people do to defend crap ... WUT ??? |

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
1185
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:03:00 -
[2313] - Quote
First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:03:00 -
[2314] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:I find especially hilarious the notion that CCP will maintain their ~credibility~ by removing any player representative, who they find inconvenient from a PR or bottom line point of view.
It isn't (at least for me) a PR issue from the comments, but PR about enforcement of the EULA and ToS that we all agreed to. CSM were founded to ensure that ccp and the community base work together to make eve what it needs to be. But can being a community representative allow exclusion from the conduct agreement? In full reality, PR or no, they have for enforce the rules, they are obligated to. I mean really. In the end it was a ToS/EULA violation, and no way around that. It sucks, is a PR nightmare, just now the rule enforcement is in the spotlight. |

BlazingBunny
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:04:00 -
[2315] - Quote
I believe judging someone's character while they are intoxicated isn't fair in the slightest. Also, saying that other people are "laughing at EVE" is stupid. No gives a ****, why should you? you aren't the guy Mittens was talking about or mittens so therefore really its just opinions not facts. I believe punishing Mittens for this wouldn't be fair in the slightest. |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
70
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:04:00 -
[2316] - Quote
Well you can defend a piece of crap as much as your little heart can stand, but you and I both know a piece of crap is nothing more than a piece of crap. Poor Mittens, he's such a victim abloo bloo It's time for this less-than-a-man to resign for his actions against the CSM, CCP, and the Eve Online community. |

KanashiiKami
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:10:00 -
[2317] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:i read what mitani said about his apology,
i for 1 do not accept it. WHY?
1. you are a person in the position of power, but you acted like a terrorist. Stopped reading here.
ok he acted like a drunk brat who thinks he can get away with all the bad things he does? sounds better for you ? WUT ??? |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
132
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:10:00 -
[2318] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:I find especially hilarious the notion that CCP will maintain their ~credibility~ by removing any player representative, who they find inconvenient from a PR or bottom line point of view.
so if you manufacture a famous brand of ketchup ... your ketchup brand ambasador get drunk during a commercial and says ... you can use the ketchup to drown mentality handicapped people ... you are saying this is good? LOL !!! the things people do to defend crap ...
Your analogy is not analogous. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
259
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:11:00 -
[2319] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?
The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse.
He needs to man up and step down from the CSM at minimum. He shouldn't have to discuss anything, he should have already done so.
The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death. Its not about the specific person anymore its about the Goon culture. If they get away with it here there is now a green light to do it again down the road. Goons clamoring to defend this heinous bull is disturbing even for them. Just to defend their cult leader. |

VampireZIM
Blood Raiders Initiate BLOOD EMPIRE
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:13:00 -
[2320] - Quote
I think we have all said something, while drunk, that we later regret. Get over it... |
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
408
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:15:00 -
[2321] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?
Any professional company I have ever represented in my life would fire me for representing them in such a light. You have to sign papers that clearly state this prior to accepting employment. Even most ****** minimum wage restaurants make you sign a similar contract these days.
You are clearly not a professional representative if you feel that the situation as it stands is acceptable.
It infuriates me that my PLEX pays for this ****. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Kill Rockstar
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:15:00 -
[2322] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote: It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?
We pay CCP to maintain a game and do not expect to get screwed over by the devs with there money grabbing ways or miss direction of Incarna. People had a right to be mad at Soundwave, he is the dev of the game we all pay for be it in time or money, he is making a profit from us by providing a service, when we did not receive this "We was MAD". And I'm sure people did get banned over said incident. Mittens is a player and a CSM member, he did not change the game in a breaking way nor did he try and take our money, he just made a really douche bag move, which to an eve player is possibly acceptable, but explain the story to anyone outside of the "EVE MENTALITY" and see the results.
TL:DR, That is a pretty stupid comparison.
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KanashiiKami
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:18:00 -
[2323] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse. He needs to man up and step down from the CSM at minimum. He shouldn't have to discuss anything, he should have already done so. The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death. Its not about the specific person anymore its about the Goon culture. If they get away with it here there is now a green light to do it again down the road. Goons clamoring to defend this heinous bull is disturbing even for them. Just to defend their cult leader.
yes it is disturbing ... highly disturbing that there is so much defense for such an act ... WUT ??? |

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings
1199
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:19:00 -
[2324] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse. He needs to man up and step down from the CSM at minimum. He shouldn't have to discuss anything, he should have already done so. The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death. Its not about the specific person anymore its about the Goon culture. If they get away with it here there is now a green light to do it again down the road. Goons clamoring to defend this heinous bull is disturbing even for them. Just to defend their cult leader.
I'm certainly not going to defend the words he said, I'm just calling for a little sense of perspective. The goons didn't harass the guy to death. As a matter of fact when Wis was contacted he didn't even know about the whole afair. By that time (or near enough as makes no difference), mittens had apologized and called off the mob. No damage done.
It shouldn't be condoned, but an apology and retraction is good enough for me if there was no damage.
So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none.
Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
262
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:20:00 -
[2325] - Quote
Kill Rockstar wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote: It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? We pay CCP to maintain a game and do not expect to get screwed over by the devs with there money grabbing ways or miss direction of Incarna. People had a right to be mad at Soundwave, he is the dev of the game we all pay for be it in time or money, he is making a profit from us by providing a service, when we did not receive this "We was MAD". And I'm sure people did get banned over said incident. Mittens is a player and a CSM member, he did not change the game in a breaking way nor did he try and take our money, he just made a really douche bag move, which to an eve player is possibly acceptable, but explain the story to anyone outside of the "EVE MENTALITY" and see the results. TL:DR, That is a pretty stupid comparison.
Calling for someones death, even in jest since he was calling on others to do it for him whom might not have taken it as a joke is not something you can just let slide. |

Prince Kobol
380
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:20:00 -
[2326] - Quote
I believe it was Helicity Boson who was banned for Telling CCP Zinfandel that death by fire would be too quick.
Had all 3 accounts banned if I remember correcly |

low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:21:00 -
[2327] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:I find especially hilarious the notion that CCP will maintain their ~credibility~ by removing any player representative, who they find inconvenient from a PR or bottom line point of view.
So according to your logic when Tiger Woods lost all his sponsors for sleeping with prostitutes and such the advertisers acted in the wrong way? I mean Tiger broke no laws right? (but Mittens may have) Could it possibly be that they no longer wanted their brand associated with him? You sir are a moron |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
484
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:22:00 -
[2328] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse.
No one believes that except, well, I was going to say "you and the NPC sockpuppets", but they don't really believe that either.
When someone in game tells me to commit self harm, consume fecal matter and expire, or perform oral sex on a large domesticated farm animal, they are obviously not actually intending me to do so -- it's smack talk, trash talk, and general e-peen wiggling.
Alex, while drunk, forgot himself and brought this attitude out of his in game persona into his public persona. He was ashamed and apologized. Would he still say to harass someone in game as "The Mittani"? Probably. Would he do so with the intent to actually cause someone to kill themselves in real life? Hell no. Despite the foolish mewlings of a bunch of 13 year olds, Goons-the-Players aren't actually evil. We're just assholes.
By intentionally acting disingenuous you are actively attempting to inflate this scandal in such a way to further an agenda. Anyone can tell this by simply watching the thread and your repeated, asinine posts.
With that in mind, and with my aforementioned disclaimer about the difference between in game persona and public persona: I hope you commit a large amount of self harm, consume fecal matter and expire, or perhaps asphyxiate on a large amount of donkey excretions, you ignorant player of low skill, abysmal intellect, and dismal hygiene. |

Prince Kobol
380
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:22:00 -
[2329] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse. He needs to man up and step down from the CSM at minimum. He shouldn't have to discuss anything, he should have already done so. The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death. Its not about the specific person anymore its about the Goon culture. If they get away with it here there is now a green light to do it again down the road. Goons clamoring to defend this heinous bull is disturbing even for them. Just to defend their cult leader. I'm certainly not going to defend the words he said, I'm just calling for a little sense of perspective. The goons didn't harass the guy to death. As a matter of fact when Wis was contacted he didn't even know about the whole afair. By that time (or near enough as makes no difference), mittens had apologized and called off the mob. No damage done. It shouldn't be condoned, but an apology and retraction is good enough for me if there was no damage. So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none.
Some may say the amount of external Internet Coverage by various gaming internet sites might be classed as damage but you know.. which company doesn't want headlines like
"CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying"
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
411
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:23:00 -
[2330] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse. He needs to man up and step down from the CSM at minimum. He shouldn't have to discuss anything, he should have already done so. The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death. Its not about the specific person anymore its about the Goon culture. If they get away with it here there is now a green light to do it again down the road. Goons clamoring to defend this heinous bull is disturbing even for them. Just to defend their cult leader. I'm certainly not going to defend the words he said, I'm just calling for a little sense of perspective. The goons didn't harass the guy to death. As a matter of fact when Wis was contacted he didn't even know about the whole afair. By that time (or near enough as makes no difference), mittens had apologized and called off the mob. No damage done. It shouldn't be condoned, but an apology and retraction is good enough for me if there was no damage. So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none.
You need to be removed as well. Whenever losing subscriptions is "no damage done" in your eyes you clearly are not representing the best interest of the players.
Ironically, CCP is in dire financial straits right now (before all of this). I imagine the next thing to go would be...
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
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KanashiiKami
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:24:00 -
[2331] - Quote
Kill Rockstar wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote: It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? We pay CCP to maintain a game and do not expect to get screwed over by the devs with there money grabbing ways or miss direction of Incarna. People had a right to be mad at Soundwave, he is the dev of the game we all pay for be it in time or money, he is making a profit from us by providing a service, when we did not receive this "We was MAD". And I'm sure people did get banned over said incident. Mittens is a player and a CSM member, he did not change the game in a breaking way nor did he try and take our money, he just made a really douche bag move, which to an eve player is possibly acceptable, but explain the story to anyone outside of the "EVE MENTALITY" and see the results. TL:DR, That is a pretty stupid comparison.
actually he did change the game, he ordered the ice gankings, this move as seen by pirates being a "nice" trends blows into numerous other miner gankings. he did change the entire eve economics. on a whim? i do not know ... but if 1 player can do that, what am i paying to play this game for? a system of game mechanics that can be changed by 1 player? so overnight i can find i can no longer feed my POS due to the tyranny of 1 player and his followers?
WUT ??? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
262
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:24:00 -
[2332] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse. He needs to man up and step down from the CSM at minimum. He shouldn't have to discuss anything, he should have already done so. The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death. Its not about the specific person anymore its about the Goon culture. If they get away with it here there is now a green light to do it again down the road. Goons clamoring to defend this heinous bull is disturbing even for them. Just to defend their cult leader. I'm certainly not going to defend the words he said, I'm just calling for a little sense of perspective. The goons didn't harass the guy to death. As a matter of fact when Wis was contacted he didn't even know about the whole afair. By that time (or near enough as makes no difference), mittens had apologized and called off the mob. No damage done. It shouldn't be condoned, but an apology and retraction is good enough for me if there was no damage. So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none.
Only because they didnt have a chance too cause people got on top of the issue FAST.
Its not about what did happen but what might have happened. Or might happen again if not dealt with.
He called for someones death. When will this sink in. Even if it was a joke, many might have taken it to the logical conclusion if we didnt notice what he did. Heck people might still go after the person in question. I dont use the persons name on purpose and i would think others would do the same. The goons are the ones spreading the person name left and right even now. Even worse you are using the persons character name in your posts. Have some sense please. I have counter points to your he is not upset that i wont repost because I dont want him brought into it.
Its not just about him its about the next player this might happen too. And the precedent that must be set by CCP. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
266
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:27:00 -
[2333] - Quote
Xython wrote:RougeOperator wrote:The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse. No one believes that except, well, I was going to say "you and the NPC sockpuppets", but they don't really believe that either. When someone in game tells me to commit self harm, consume fecal matter and expire, or perform oral sex on a large domesticated farm animal, they are obviously not actually intending me to do so -- it's smack talk, trash talk, and general e-peen wiggling. Alex, while drunk, forgot himself and brought this attitude out of his in game persona into his public persona. He was ashamed and apologized. Would he still say to harass someone in game as "The Mittani"? Probably. Would he do so with the intent to actually cause someone to kill themselves in real life? Hell no. Despite the foolish mewlings of a bunch of 13 year olds, Goons-the-Players aren't actually evil. We're just assholes. By intentionally acting disingenuous you are actively attempting to inflate this scandal in such a way to further an agenda. Anyone can tell this by simply watching the thread and your repeated, asinine posts. With that in mind, and with my aforementioned disclaimer about the difference between in game persona and public persona: I hope you commit a large amount of self harm, consume fecal matter and expire, or perhaps asphyxiate on a large amount of donkey excretions, you ignorant player of low skill, abysmal intellect, and dismal hygiene.
Most everyone believes with good cause the goons and maybe other more malicious people would have followed through on it if not for the people calling for an investigation. Putting a full stop to what might have happened.
Think about that, most think you would have happily murdered someone. Then laughed about it.
Proud of being a goon still?
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:30:00 -
[2334] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse.
Do you understand that opinions about the incident differ? I see no evidence whatsoever that this Alex dude has in fact wished the death of another person, rather than making a distasteful joke, while under influence.
You're welcome to convince me and others that we are actually wrong, that Alex in fact wished the other dude dead.
Quote:The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death.
In fact, as far as I know, neither anyone died nor any actions, that would constitute the final drop and make one commit suicide, have taken place. Hence, whatever Goons do, it can't be, quote, defending driving someone to their death, unquote.
Right?
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Kill Rockstar
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:30:00 -
[2335] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: Calling for someones death, even in jest since he was calling on others to do it for him whom might not have taken it as a joke is not something you can just let slide.
I'm not disagreeing, I think he came off as a totally social inept douche bag personally.
I have received similar mails from victims of scams or ganks and have showed my corp/friends and had a little mini snigger to each other, but we would certainly never put it out to the public and encourage people to harass a sick person (who could be trolling himself we just don't know).
I guess it's just the nature of the douche.
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
449
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:30:00 -
[2336] - Quote
Manssell wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Manssell wrote:
So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".
I understand your point but let me explain it a different way. It reaches the point of "bullying" when the offender knows the guy is depressed and suicidal and calls upon thousands of people to do just that. It's AKA harassment. I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here, but if we go down this path would't that mean any miner with a ship name of "I"m suicidal" couldn't be ganked then? Or if an alliance leader made a blog post saying how depressed they where, and how the alliance was the only thing that kept them alive, would't that mean no one who read that could war dec them (a war dec is just calling on thousands of people to harass someone right)? I mean it is EVE, people would do that. I think the problem is we are in a really grey area here and what I don't like seeing is all the spin to make this out as the worst case scenario of bullying for political gain which in the long run may hurt the cold harsh universe of EVE most of us love.
Yeah it is a very grey area. As for the miner, I suppose the offense would occur when one has knowledge of the potential victim's situation on a more personal level than say just a ship name. As for the alliance leader, I'm not sure the same argument can be made since the operative word is "them" not "him".
Mitanni specifically singled out a player focusing that attention like a magnifying glass in the hands of a child onto a ant while supposedly rebuking any concern for the individuals mentioned state while supposedly being informed of his mental state. So, IDK, there's a difference, isn't there? We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
484
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:32:00 -
[2337] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Most everyone believes with good cause the goons and maybe other more malicious people would have followed through on it if not for the people calling for an investigation. Putting a full stop to what might have happened.
Think about that, most think you would have happily murdered someone. Then laughed about it.
Proud of being a goon still?
More than you'll ever know, you ignorant consumer of horse pornography. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1550
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:34:00 -
[2338] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse. He needs to man up and step down from the CSM at minimum. He shouldn't have to discuss anything, he should have already done so. The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death. Its not about the specific person anymore its about the Goon culture. If they get away with it here there is now a green light to do it again down the road. Goons clamoring to defend this heinous bull is disturbing even for them. Just to defend their cult leader. I'm certainly not going to defend the words he said, I'm just calling for a little sense of perspective. The goons didn't harass the guy to death. As a matter of fact when Wis was contacted he didn't even know about the whole afair. By that time (or near enough as makes no difference), mittens had apologized and called off the mob. No damage done. It shouldn't be condoned, but an apology and retraction is good enough for me if there was no damage. So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none.
Get a clue Meissa please. The damage that is done is to the reputation of the game in the wider gaming media and the way that we the players of eve online just got represented by a drunken fratboy calling on people to troll someone to death. Now we know the barge guy is okay, thats great, but that doesn't change the fact that the chairman of the CSM acted in a completely irresponsible and insulting way on the stage at fanfest on live tv which then got sent around the world to various gaming newsites.
Eve is recovering this year. I loved a lot of the stuff that came out of fanfest. The future looks pretty great but then Alexander Gianturco had to get steaming drunk and stagger out some junvenile-grade cod sadistic nonsense that made this community look absolutely terrible.
I find it hard to believe you are standing there and trying to justify this as a non event really.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
133
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:35:00 -
[2339] - Quote
Cipher, who is this CCP representative you're talking about ?
cf. "Any professional company I have ever represented in my life would fire me for representing them in such a light. " |

Devil's Call
Perkone Caldari State
744
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:38:00 -
[2340] - Quote
It's funny how people take advantage of this mistake he made, and now do everything to see him hang. Just like real politics, right? I really hope he doesn't resign, that would be redicilous. |
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Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:39:00 -
[2341] - Quote
One opinion: what do you think how much influence, with CCP, Mittani will have after all of this??? (if he stays where he is)
NONE! |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
272
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:39:00 -
[2342] - Quote
Devil's Call wrote:It's funny how people take advantage of this mistake he made, and now do everything to see him hang. Just like real politics, right? I really hope he doesn't resign, that would be redicilous.
Yeah cause getting behind someone that calls for someones death in real life is so cool?
Get your compass checked mate.
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Kill Rockstar
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:39:00 -
[2343] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote: actually he did change the game, he ordered the ice gankings, this move as seen by pirates being a "nice" trends blows into numerous other miner gankings. he did change the entire eve economics. on a whim? i do not know ... but if 1 player can do that, what am i paying to play this game for? a system of game mechanics that can be changed by 1 player? so overnight i can find i can no longer feed my POS due to the tyranny of 1 player and his followers?
i sound too carebearish? maybe ... so what happens to the game if all 4 empires are miner ganked on his command? CCp cant do anything, so does it mean he have power over CCP as well and "destroy" the game experience for thousands of other players?
I have to avoid dying in 0.0 and wh's on a daily basis. Your inability to stay alive in High Sec is irrelevant. He doesn't change Game Mechanics and he certainly does not do anything other than his virtual claim to fame as a single entity (not that it required any sort of skill). Being able to manipulate the market through ganking miners and haulers are what makes this game so fantastic, why are you miners not forming up a massive alliance with RR mining fleets to protect your self? Unite and fight miners vs goons gogogogo viva le revolution!!!
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:40:00 -
[2344] - Quote
Still waiting for step 2! |

Prince Kobol
387
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:41:00 -
[2345] - Quote
Devil's Call wrote:It's funny how people take advantage of this mistake he made, and now do everything to see him hang. Just like real politics, right? I really hope he doesn't resign, that would be redicilous.
You mean when the goons do it its called "metagaming" and its cool, but when others do it "its all bad and evil"
Nice  |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:41:00 -
[2346] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse. He needs to man up and step down from the CSM at minimum. He shouldn't have to discuss anything, he should have already done so. The scarier thing is the Goons that are basically defending driving someone to their death. Its not about the specific person anymore its about the Goon culture. If they get away with it here there is now a green light to do it again down the road. Goons clamoring to defend this heinous bull is disturbing even for them. Just to defend their cult leader. I'm certainly not going to defend the words he said, I'm just calling for a little sense of perspective. The goons didn't harass the guy to death. As a matter of fact when Wis was contacted he didn't even know about the whole afair. By that time (or near enough as makes no difference), mittens had apologized and called off the mob. No damage done. It shouldn't be condoned, but an apology and retraction is good enough for me if there was no damage. So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none. Only because they didnt have a chance too cause people got on top of the issue FAST. Its not about what did happen but what might have happened. Or might happen again if not dealt with. He called for someones death. When will this sink in. Even if it was a joke, many might have taken it to the logical conclusion if we didnt notice what he did. Heck people might still go after the person in question. I dont use the persons name on purpose and i would think others would do the same. The goons are the ones spreading the person name left and right even now. Even worse you are using the persons character name in your posts. Have some sense please. I have counter points to your he is not upset that i wont repost because I dont want him brought into it. Its not just about him its about the next player this might happen too. And the precedent that must be set by CCP.
Minority Report ITT |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
451
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:41:00 -
[2347] - Quote
Xen Solarus wrote:Still waiting for step 2!
I think he really meant Two Step. Not step 2. So maybe he's going to have Two Step resign, kinda like a whipping boy? We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:42:00 -
[2348] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Most everyone believes with good cause the goons and maybe other more malicious people would have followed through on it if not for the people calling for an investigation. Putting a full stop to what might have happened.
Think about that, most think you would have happily murdered someone. Then laughed about it.
Proud of being a goon still?
Name these people. Cite your sources. Go on, I'll wait. |

Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:44:00 -
[2349] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?
So.... if I shoot at someone and fail... is ok... because look... no damage!
Come on!
He need to resign, is the right thing to do, he need to be a man and learn for hes mistakes.
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Devil's Call
Perkone Caldari State
744
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:45:00 -
[2350] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Devil's Call wrote:It's funny how people take advantage of this mistake he made, and now do everything to see him hang. Just like real politics, right? I really hope he doesn't resign, that would be redicilous. Yeah cause getting behind someone that calls for someones death in real life is so cool? Get your compass checked mate.
It sure isn't cool, and he's fully aware of that. Let him live in shame instead of getting him resigned. |
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KanashiiKami
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:46:00 -
[2351] - Quote
Kill Rockstar wrote:KanashiiKami wrote: actually he did change the game, he ordered the ice gankings, this move as seen by pirates being a "nice" trends blows into numerous other miner gankings. he did change the entire eve economics. on a whim? i do not know ... but if 1 player can do that, what am i paying to play this game for? a system of game mechanics that can be changed by 1 player? so overnight i can find i can no longer feed my POS due to the tyranny of 1 player and his followers?
i sound too carebearish? maybe ... so what happens to the game if all 4 empires are miner ganked on his command? CCp cant do anything, so does it mean he have power over CCP as well and "destroy" the game experience for thousands of other players? I have to avoid dying in 0.0 and wh's on a daily basis. Your inability to stay alive in High Sec is irrelevant. He doesn't change Game Mechanics and he certainly does not do anything other than his virtual claim to fame as a single entity (not that it required any sort of skill). Being able to manipulate the market through ganking miners and haulers are what makes this game so fantastic, why are you miners not forming up a massive alliance with RR mining fleets to protect your self? Unite and fight miners vs goons gogogogo viva le revolution!!!
errr because to create a new toon just to eliminate a ganker .... in a ganker style ... is not what most miners do?
true ... doesnt change mechanics ... but i like a revolution ... BAN him ! WUT ??? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
274
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:46:00 -
[2352] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Most everyone believes with good cause the goons and maybe other more malicious people would have followed through on it if not for the people calling for an investigation. Putting a full stop to what might have happened.
Think about that, most think you would have happily murdered someone. Then laughed about it.
Proud of being a goon still?
Name these people. Cite your sources. Go on, I'll wait.
Scrolls through multiple threads...... Googles CCP investigates Cyberbullying ......
OH you were making a joke. I get it now. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
274
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:47:00 -
[2353] - Quote
Devil's Call wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Devil's Call wrote:It's funny how people take advantage of this mistake he made, and now do everything to see him hang. Just like real politics, right? I really hope he doesn't resign, that would be redicilous. Yeah cause getting behind someone that calls for someones death in real life is so cool? Get your compass checked mate. It sure isn't cool, and he's fully aware of that. Let him live in shame instead of getting him resigned.
No actions matter more. We cant confirm shame. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
133
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:48:00 -
[2354] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Most everyone believes with good cause the goons and maybe other more malicious people would have followed through on it if not for the people calling for an investigation. Putting a full stop to what might have happened.
And the major reason would be that some nasty people beat him in a computer game as opposed to whatever RL factors (society, school, job, etc) led him to such a mental state in the first place?
Perhaps it's YOU who should get his compass checked, because it's apparently pointing in the wrong direction.
What's next? First person shooters cause kids to kill their schoolmates ?
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Mr Celsius
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:49:00 -
[2355] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: Most everyone believes with good cause the goons and maybe other more malicious people would have followed through on it if not for the people calling for an investigation. Putting a full stop to what might have happened.
Think about that, most think you would have happily murdered someone. Then laughed about it.
Proud of being a goon still?
It was actually starting to happen as evidenced in an interview with said person in question here - http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/27/failing-in-so-many-ways-the-mittani-%E2%80%93-hero/
And to Quote -
[21:19:54] *** *** > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] *** ***> ganking here.
Thankfully for all party's involved he seem's pretty chilled out about it atm, but as said earlier, CCP is keeping a close eye on things to make sure it does not get out of hand. |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:51:00 -
[2356] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:Still waiting for step 2! I think he really meant Two Step. Not step 2. So maybe he's going to have Two Step resign, kinda like a whipping boy?
Or maybe Two-Step will become the new chairman!! Wow, how awesome would that be!? An chairman that we can actually look up to, and actually fill the role of someone that represents the very best that eve has to offer. Someone that is honorable, fair and treats people with respect and dignity.
Nah, sounds too good to be true to me too. 
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Prince Kobol
390
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:52:00 -
[2357] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Most everyone believes with good cause the goons and maybe other more malicious people would have followed through on it if not for the people calling for an investigation. Putting a full stop to what might have happened.
And the major reason would be that some nasty people beat him in a computer game as opposed to whatever RL factors (society, school, job, etc) led him to such a mental state in the first place? Perhaps it's YOU who should get his compass checked, because it's apparently pointing in the wrong direction. What's next? First person shooters cause kids to kill their schoolmates ?
Your getting it now.
You see in many countries that is exactly what a lot of idiots are saying.
Here in the UK Computer Games have been blamed for people doing horrific things, and I mean truly horrific.
Also you will find that in every instance of where people have gone on a rampage at their local schools or other places, Computer Games have been mentioned.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1368
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:53:00 -
[2358] - Quote
Mr Celsius wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Most everyone believes with good cause the goons and maybe other more malicious people would have followed through on it if not for the people calling for an investigation. Putting a full stop to what might have happened.
Think about that, most think you would have happily murdered someone. Then laughed about it.
Proud of being a goon still?
It was actually starting to happen as evidenced in an interview with said person in question here - http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/27/failing-in-so-many-ways-the-mittani-%E2%80%93-hero/And to Quote - [21:19:54] *** *** > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] *** ***> ganking here. Thankfully for all party's involved he seem's pretty chilled out about it atm, but as said earlier, CCP is keeping a close eye on things to make sure it does not get out of hand. One random guy talking to him is hardly an "interview". The guy called out didn't know what was going on. It may have been different if he actually saw the video. We don't know. Nothing has been said about it yet. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Kill Rockstar
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:54:00 -
[2359] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote: errr because to create a new toon just to eliminate a ganker .... in a ganker style ... is not what most miners do?
true ... doesnt change mechanics ... but i like a revolution ... BAN him !
of course you dont get it |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
74
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:02:00 -
[2360] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none.
So basicly, what your saying, people can say whatever they like, as long as it doesn't actually cause any physical damage? So i could get all my mates to try to get you to hang yourself, and as long as you don't actually do it, thats fine?
What about if we are all calling you the "n" word cause we know you're black? That fine too?
How about we all laugh at the fact someone's got no legs, and encourage them to push themselves in a pool? Oh, thats ok though, he didn't actually do what we suggested, so thats fine too!
What you say has consequences, be it physical or psychological. If he was messaging these things in game, i'd be like, Meh! Thats Mittani, everyone knows he's a ****, just ignore him.
Doing it live on the internet, in person, and trying to get others to follow suit, makes it a whole different ball-game! No surprise at-all its exploded this big. Don't you guys watch politics in the real-world?
And im still amazed that Goons are STILL defending his actions, even when he's admitted he's at fault.
Oh, yeah, i forgot. They already know his apology was a Fake! |
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Mr Celsius
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:03:00 -
[2361] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: One random guy talking to him is hardly an "interview". .
:facepalm: |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
74
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:06:00 -
[2362] - Quote
Mittens, It's time to resign. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:08:00 -
[2363] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Most everyone believes with good cause the goons and maybe other more malicious people would have followed through on it if not for the people calling for an investigation. Putting a full stop to what might have happened.
Think about that, most think you would have happily murdered someone. Then laughed about it.
Proud of being a goon still?
Name these people. Cite your sources. Go on, I'll wait. Scrolls through multiple threads...... Googles CCP investigates Cyberbullying ......
OH you were making a joke. I get it now.
You're delusional if you think a few forum threads constitutes "most everyone."
I mean, I know you have a hard on for The Mittani, but do try to stay in the realm of reality. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
672
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:10:00 -
[2364] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:...t's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers.
Good to know 
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KanashiiKami
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:12:00 -
[2365] - Quote
Kill Rockstar wrote:KanashiiKami wrote: errr because to create a new toon just to eliminate a ganker .... in a ganker style ... is not what most miners do?
true ... doesnt change mechanics ... but i like a revolution ... BAN him ! of course you dont get it
i noe i noe ... get some teeth .... and also ... BAN HIM !
WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:14:00 -
[2366] - Quote
Xen Solarus wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none.
So basicly, what your saying, people can say whatever they like, as long as it doesn't actually cause any physical damage? So i could get all my mates to try to get you to hang yourself, and as long as you don't actually do it, thats fine? What about if we are all calling you the "n" word cause we know you're black? That fine too? How about we all laugh at the fact someone's got no legs, and encourage them to push themselves in a pool? Oh, thats ok though, he didn't actually do what we suggested, so thats fine too! What you say has consequences, be it physical or psychological. If he was messaging these things in game, i'd be like, Meh! Thats Mittani, everyone knows he's a ****, just ignore him. Doing it live on the internet, in person, and trying to get others to follow suit, makes it a whole different ball-game! No surprise at-all its exploded this big. Don't you guys watch politics in the real-world? And im still amazed that Goons are STILL defending his actions, even when he's admitted he's at fault. Oh, yeah, i forgot. They already know his apology was a Fake!
i really like what you said ... i say again .. lifetime BAN for all his toons
WUT ??? |

Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:20:00 -
[2367] - Quote
By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts. If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks. If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanciest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. |

Arakkis Melanogaster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:24:00 -
[2368] - Quote
Taihbea wrote:By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts. If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks. If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this. You let a guy publicly harras other person. Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak? |

KanashiiKami
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:24:00 -
[2369] - Quote
Taihbea wrote:By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts. If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks. If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this. You let a guy publicly harras other person.
yes life time ban! WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:26:00 -
[2370] - Quote
Xen Solarus wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none.
So basicly, what your saying, people can say whatever they like, as long as it doesn't actually cause any physical damage? So i could get all my mates to try to get you to hang yourself, and as long as you don't actually do it, thats fine? What about if we are all calling you the "n" word cause we know you're black? That fine too? How about we all laugh at the fact someone's got no legs, and encourage them to push themselves in a pool? Oh, thats ok though, he didn't actually do what we suggested, so thats fine too! What you say has consequences, be it physical or psychological. If he was messaging these things in game, i'd be like, Meh! Thats Mittani, everyone knows he's a ****, just ignore him. Doing it live on the internet, in person, and trying to get others to follow suit, makes it a whole different ball-game! No surprise at-all its exploded this big. Don't you guys watch politics in the real-world? And im still amazed that Goons are STILL defending his actions, even when he's admitted he's at fault. Oh, yeah, i forgot. They already know his apology was a Fake!
i think what you said should be reposted on all other forums n multiple times so people get an idea of the real problem ... WUT ??? |
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:27:00 -
[2371] - Quote
Since when EULA is a RL law? How whatever I do IRL is sanctioned by the CCP EULA ?
Or you're just being dumb?
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Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:28:00 -
[2372] - Quote
Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:Taihbea wrote:By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts. If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks. If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this. You let a guy publicly harras other person. Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak?
You can try all you want. It really just proves how right I am. |

CNL Jack Oniel
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:28:00 -
[2373] - Quote
Manssell wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Manssell wrote:
So calling on people to blow up someones internet spaceships, in a game about blowing up internet spaceships is now "cyber bullying"? If that's the case then most acts of war in game are "cyber bullying", and letting these media outlets that are reporting that define what we can do in game really would for the first time be the "death of EVE".
I understand your point but let me explain it a different way. It reaches the point of "bullying" when the offender knows the guy is depressed and suicidal and calls upon thousands of people to do just that. It's AKA harassment. I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here, but if we go down this path would't that mean any miner with a ship name of "I"m suicidal" couldn't be ganked then? Or if an alliance leader made a blog post saying how depressed they where, and how the alliance was the only thing that kept them alive, would't that mean no one who read that could war dec them (a war dec is just calling on thousands of people to harass someone right)? I mean it is EVE, people would do that. I think the problem is we are in a really grey area here and what I don't like seeing is all the spin to make this out as the worst case scenario of bullying for political gain which in the long run may hurt the cold harsh universe of EVE most of us love.
there is a distinct difference between using in game mechanics to fight somebody and being public about it in front of thousands of people come on guys this is not the fact that mittani sent a mail to somebody in game or smacked talked in local so lets try not to put it on the same level . |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
98
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:29:00 -
[2374] - Quote
Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:Taihbea wrote:By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts. If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks. If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this. You let a guy publicly harras other person. Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak?
id like to know what iceladic law says about cyber bullying tbh... |

Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:29:00 -
[2375] - Quote
Just to nitpick I don't believe any game EULA has ever been tried in court. |

Prince Kobol
398
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:31:00 -
[2376] - Quote
Archdaimon wrote:Just to nitpick I don't believe any game EULA has ever been tried in court.
It has many times |

CNL Jack Oniel
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:31:00 -
[2377] - Quote
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:Taihbea wrote:By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts. If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks. If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this. You let a guy publicly harras other person. Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak? id like to know what iceladic law says about cyber bullying tbh...
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
allready posted this once before come on guys read the EULA before you ask something |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:31:00 -
[2378] - Quote
Is Ladie Harlot back on yet?
This thread needs her/his unique take on events to lighten things up a bit. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:33:00 -
[2379] - Quote
Archdaimon wrote:Just to nitpick I don't believe any game EULA has ever been tried in court.
It's a simple contract. Contracts have been tried in courts many times.
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IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance
293
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:36:00 -
[2380] - Quote
Xython wrote:RougeOperator wrote:The Mittani/Alex was the one calling for a lynch mob to go after someone to the point of death. Murder by proxies. Being drunk is not an excuse. No one believes that except, well, I was going to say "you and the NPC sockpuppets", but they don't really believe that either. When someone in game tells me to commit self harm, consume fecal matter and expire, or perform oral sex on a large domesticated farm animal, they are obviously not actually intending me to do so -- it's smack talk, trash talk, and general e-peen wiggling. Alex, while drunk, forgot himself and brought this attitude out of his in game persona into his public persona. He was ashamed and apologized. Would he still say to harass someone in game as "The Mittani"? Probably. Would he do so with the intent to actually cause someone to kill themselves in real life? Hell no. Despite the foolish mewlings of a bunch of 13 year olds, Goons-the-Players aren't actually evil. We're just assholes. By intentionally acting disingenuous you are actively attempting to inflate this scandal in such a way to further an agenda. Anyone can tell this by simply watching the thread and your repeated, asinine posts. With that in mind, and with my aforementioned disclaimer about the difference between in game persona and public persona: I hope you commit a large amount of self harm, consume fecal matter and expire, or perhaps asphyxiate on a large amount of donkey excretions, you ignorant player of low skill, abysmal intellect, and dismal hygiene.
This is not remotely the same thing and I'm sure you're smart enough to realize that. In an E-mail to The Mittani it was apparent in what was written that the person in question was having or did have sucidal thoughts. Regardless of the truth of the matter it is not appropriate to mock the guy and ridicule him publicly. Being a smack talking juvenile on local, or private chat is not even close to the same thing.
In addition I've heard som exceedingly offensive 'Fleet Coms' and read some terribly inappropriate e-mails by FCs and CEOs in game to their own Corp and Alliance mates. Frankly if anyone spoke to me like that face to face they would likely get punched in the mouth for their trouble. The anonomous nature of those things does not take away the boorishness of the behavior it just makes the offending party bolder in the sense that there will be very little true repercussion to it.
Get a thicker skin? HTFU? Yeah sure, but still common decency should be expected and when situations like this one happen there should be consequences. What happened at Fanfest is what invariably happens when the threshold from permissive in game activity crosses over into inpermissible real life. This is a by product of edgy.
This is not just an EVE problem. This is a societal problem. As for the rabid coverage by the 'Media?' Well if it bleeds, it leads and right now CCP is bleeding from the neck pretty bad and we all look like jerks. The problem is that most of you fail to admit to yourselves that they might be right. Maybe we are a bunch of jerks. This might be why you defend that which is not defensible.
'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |
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Mr Celsius
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:36:00 -
[2381] - Quote
I think the mittani should give the guy a huge amount of ISK and then flood the CSM forums with pictures of himself in a suit holding babies and visiting hospitals / schools just so it feels like a "proper" slimy politician style buy off. |

Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:36:00 -
[2382] - Quote
Stand back ma'am
there's been a EULA violation |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:37:00 -
[2383] - Quote
CNL Jack Oniel wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:Taihbea wrote:By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts. If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks. If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this. You let a guy publicly harras other person. Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak? id like to know what iceladic law says about cyber bullying tbh... You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. allready posted this once before come on guys read the EULA before you ask something
Strange, I looked at the EULA http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp , but didn't find the part you're quoting. |

Prince Kobol
398
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:38:00 -
[2384] - Quote
CCP stance
"I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players, especially those who suffer from depression or suicidal thoughts, as we understand the possible consequences of such abhorrent behaviour," CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker said.
"Our Terms of Service (TOS), which can be found here, mirror our company's stance on this matter.
"While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, we do take very seriously accusations of such behaviour between our players.
"Furthermore, we have a suicide hotline protocol which has, in specific cases, made a difference for several unfortunately troubled players. We appreciate you voicing your concerns on this level, and CCP will be very vigilant in monitoring any behaviour directed towards the individual named in the presentation.
"We are undertaking a full internal review of this panel as well as the process used for vetting the panel's materials. Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others." |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1298
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:40:00 -
[2385] - Quote
Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:Taihbea wrote:By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts. If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks. If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this. You let a guy publicly harras other person. Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak?
if the EULA BIBLE has a scroll bar i can use to skip all the BS i dont care to read and an "I agree" tick box at the end of it all, then it is.
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Alexander Taos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:40:00 -
[2386] - Quote
Well, after spending the last hour watching the video, it really is a bit much to say that he's literally calling for the death of the wis.
Come on. You really have to be in some weird alternate reality to sit there, watch what he said, and come to the conclusion that he is literally telling people to email the wis to kill himself.
It is called sarcasm and you can debate left and right on whether it is funny or inappropriate and there are legitimate arguments to be made, but to extend it out to the level that he's literally calling for someones death is hyperbole plain and simple.
Also, how does the EULA apply to anything happening outside of the game itself or community websites? |

CNL Jack Oniel
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:40:00 -
[2387] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:CNL Jack Oniel wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:Taihbea wrote:By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts. If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks. If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this. You let a guy publicly harras other person. Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak? id like to know what iceladic law says about cyber bullying tbh... You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. allready posted this once before come on guys read the EULA before you ask something Strange, I looked at the EULA http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp , but didn't find the part you're quoting.
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp there u go it is linked for those that think i have just made it up lol |

GeeShizzle MacCloud
98
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:43:00 -
[2388] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:CNL Jack Oniel wrote:GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:Arakkis Melanogaster wrote:Taihbea wrote:By EULA he should get a ban on all his accounts. If that doesn't happen then CCP just pretty much stated that they suck dicks. If you wrote a law that you don't follow yet you come with big words on fanfest how ******* much you care to make this game better then you're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. all your bot wars, plex selling wars mean **** compared to this. You let a guy publicly harras other person. Is the bible the real life EULA of which you speak? id like to know what iceladic law says about cyber bullying tbh... You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. allready posted this once before come on guys read the EULA before you ask something Strange, I looked at the EULA http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp , but didn't find the part you're quoting.
its in the EULA by reference in this paragraph:
C. Compliance with Rules of Conduct You agree to observe and abide by the Rules of Conduct as may be amended by CCP from time to time. The current version of the Rules of Conduct may be viewed at http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp, and are incorporated in the EULA by reference. |

Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:43:00 -
[2389] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:CCP stance
"I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players, especially those who suffer from depression or suicidal thoughts, as we understand the possible consequences of such abhorrent behaviour," CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker said.
"Our Terms of Service (TOS), which can be found here, mirror our company's stance on this matter.
"While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, we do take very seriously accusations of such behaviour between our players.
"Furthermore, we have a suicide hotline protocol which has, in specific cases, made a difference for several unfortunately troubled players. We appreciate you voicing your concerns on this level, and CCP will be very vigilant in monitoring any behaviour directed towards the individual named in the presentation.
"We are undertaking a full internal review of this panel as well as the process used for vetting the panel's materials. Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others." In other words "We are commanding the Mitinni to post a public apology on the forums and then shut up for a few days while we hope this all blows over." |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
285
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:45:00 -
[2390] - Quote
Nedes Betternaem wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:CCP stance
"I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players, especially those who suffer from depression or suicidal thoughts, as we understand the possible consequences of such abhorrent behaviour," CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker said.
"Our Terms of Service (TOS), which can be found here, mirror our company's stance on this matter.
"While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, we do take very seriously accusations of such behaviour between our players.
"Furthermore, we have a suicide hotline protocol which has, in specific cases, made a difference for several unfortunately troubled players. We appreciate you voicing your concerns on this level, and CCP will be very vigilant in monitoring any behaviour directed towards the individual named in the presentation.
"We are undertaking a full internal review of this panel as well as the process used for vetting the panel's materials. Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others." In other words "We are commanding the Mitinni to post a public apology on the forums and then shut up for a few days while we hope this all blows over."
More or less thats what it seems they are trying to do.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
695
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:45:00 -
[2391] - Quote
Deep in the ocean, dead and cast away Where innocence is burned, in flames A million mile from home, I'm walking ahead I'm frozen to the bones, I am...
A soldier on my own, I don't know the way I'm riding up the heights of shame I'm waiting for the call, the hand on the chest I'm ready for the fight, and fate
The sound of iron shots is stuck in my head, The thunder of the drums dictates The rhythm of the falls, the number of dead's The rising of the horns, ahead
From the dawn of time to the end of days I will have to run, away I want to feel the pain and the bitter taste Of the blood on my lips, again
This steady burst of snow is burning my hands, I'm frozen to the bones, I am A million mile from home, I'm walking away I can't remind your eyes, your face |

SpaceBenfish
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:50:00 -
[2392] - Quote
This reminds me of the time my wife made me to go some party with all her intolerable mouthed butt lard spinster friends from college. I did the only reasonable thing and got voraciously drunk so much so that even these horrible pizza dumpsters started to look attractive and I started suggesting threesomes. I came too with a furious wife and all her jealous perma-single friends jumping the bandwagon to have me resign from the relationship. I maintained that if she didn't want me to get shattered drunk and say rude stuff to her worthless friends she shouldn't have invited me in the first place, but alas the jury ran away with the case and divorced us before the judge had even entered the court.
It all worked out in the end. I found a new girl whose into threesomes with other games and the ex...well she's stuck sitting around with all her titan sized friends floating from bar to bar forever lonely. |

Jaqa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:55:00 -
[2393] - Quote
In this thread: people with an axe to grind grasping at straws The Original Jaqalope Pilot of the Transportosaurus Rex 100% Free Range |

T'Laar Bok
47
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:56:00 -
[2394] - Quote
Well CCP has taught me a valuable life lesson.
You'll get Permaband for botting however encouraging a player and inciting others IRL for someone to commit suicide is ok.
Well done CCP, well done. Something I can pass onto my children.
Amphetimines are your friend. |

Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:57:00 -
[2395] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote: Yeah it is a very grey area. As for the miner, I suppose the offense would occur when one has knowledge of the potential victim's situation on a more personal level than say just a ship name. As for the alliance leader, I'm not sure the same argument can be made since the operative word is "them" not "him".
Mitanni, supposedly, specifically singled out a player focusing that attention like a magnifying glass in the hands of a child onto a ant while supposedly rebuking any concern for the individuals mentioned state while supposedly being informed of his mental state. So, IDK, there's a difference, isn't there?
The miner example is just one big rabbit hole isn't it? I mean if someone did have knowledge of a potential victims mental state would that then exempt that person from a legitimate game mechanic (the gank)? If I'm playing chess with some bloke on the net and he tells me in chat how suicidal he is, am I "cyber bullying" him when I take his queen?
As far as Mittens goes, yea I do think he crossed the line at the summit. But as with all grey areas, the other side of the line is not all one color. Calling out individuals has been a part of the 0.0 metta game for a long time. I would hate to see that go, just because of the political opportunism of the goons enemies and drama queens. As long as his apology is accepted by the offended party, then I just think its best for EVE, and the EVe community as a whole to let this go. Say we now know where the line is, and move on.
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KanashiiKami
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:58:00 -
[2396] - Quote
Nedes Betternaem wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:CCP stance
"I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players, especially those who suffer from depression or suicidal thoughts, as we understand the possible consequences of such abhorrent behaviour," CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker said.
"Our Terms of Service (TOS), which can be found here, mirror our company's stance on this matter.
"While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, we do take very seriously accusations of such behaviour between our players.
"Furthermore, we have a suicide hotline protocol which has, in specific cases, made a difference for several unfortunately troubled players. We appreciate you voicing your concerns on this level, and CCP will be very vigilant in monitoring any behaviour directed towards the individual named in the presentation.
"We are undertaking a full internal review of this panel as well as the process used for vetting the panel's materials. Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others." In other words "We are commanding the Mitinni to post a public apology on the forums and then shut up for a few days while we hope this all blows over."
i wud consider it blown over when he gets banned WUT ??? |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
662
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:58:00 -
[2397] - Quote
All you "Cyberbullying" ninnies, get your terminology strait.
From http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html :
"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.
These are grown-ass men. It's not cyberbullying. Here's your sign... |

Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
46
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:58:00 -
[2398] - Quote
SpaceBenfish wrote:This reminds me of the time my wife made me to go some party with all her intolerable mouthed butt lard spinster friends from college. I did the only reasonable thing and got voraciously drunk so much so that even these horrible pizza dumpsters started to look attractive and I started suggesting threesomes. I came too with a furious wife and all her jealous perma-single friends jumping the bandwagon to have me resign from the relationship. I maintained that if she didn't want me to get shattered drunk and say rude stuff to her worthless friends she shouldn't have invited me in the first place, but alas the jury ran away with the case and divorced us before the judge had even entered the court.
It all worked out in the end. I found a new girl whose into threesomes with other games and the ex...well she's stuck sitting around with all her titan sized friends floating from bar to bar forever lonely. Cool story, bro. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:59:00 -
[2399] - Quote
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:its in the EULA by reference in this paragraph: C. Compliance with Rules of Conduct You agree to observe and abide by the Rules of Conduct as may be amended by CCP from time to time. The current version of the Rules of Conduct may be viewed at http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp, and are incorporated in the EULA by reference.
Indeed, thanks.
Is EULA applicable to out-of-game interactions?
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:01:00 -
[2400] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:One opinion what do you think how much influence, with CCP, Mittani will have after all of this??? (if he stays where he is
NONE!
Personal opinion, a fair bit. He still knows more about the game than most anybody else in eve. Still represents one of the largest mobile nullsec alliances around with the most diverse activity. I doubt he will get the VIP access however. He will still forum, mail with CSM and regardless of antics, his opinions still will hold weight. |
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Mr Celsius
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:02:00 -
[2401] - Quote
Manssell wrote:
The miner example is just one big rabbit hole isn't it? I mean if someone did have knowledge of a potential victims mental state would that then exempt that person from a legitimate game mechanic (the gank)? If I'm playing chess with some bloke on the net and he tells me in chat how suicidal he is, am I "cyber bullying" him when I take his queen?
Not sure if your trolling or just really really dumb. |

KanashiiKami
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:02:00 -
[2402] - Quote
T'Laar Bok wrote:Well CCP has taught me a valuable life lesson.
You'll get Permaband for botting however encouraging a player and inciting others IRL for someone to commit suicide is ok.
Well done CCP, well done. Something I can pass onto my children.
which is why i keep emphasizing ... perma life time ban for him ... which is why some games require real ID. so that the said person can no longer participate in any of the games WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:06:00 -
[2403] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:One opinion what do you think how much influence, with CCP, Mittani will have after all of this??? (if he stays where he is
NONE! Personal opinion, a fair bit. He still knows more about the game than most anybody else in eve. Still represents one of the largest mobile nullsec alliances around with the most diverse activity. I doubt he will get the VIP access however. He will still forum, mail with CSM and regardless of antics, his opinions still will hold weight.
and because of that he can make drunk death threats? that he can de-value another persons life? what if he gets really drunk next fanfest and does some real mischief to a real person physically?
no way i will take that, PERMA ban for him ! WUT ??? |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
487
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:11:00 -
[2404] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:One opinion what do you think how much influence, with CCP, Mittani will have after all of this??? (if he stays where he is
NONE! Personal opinion, a fair bit. He still knows more about the game than most anybody else in eve. Still represents one of the largest mobile nullsec alliances around with the most diverse activity. I doubt he will get the VIP access however. He will still forum, mail with CSM and regardless of antics, his opinions still will hold weight. and because of that he can make drunk death threats? that he can de-value another persons life? what if he gets really drunk next fanfest and does some real mischief to a real person physically? no way i will take that, PERMA ban for him !
He wasn't making a death threat. Go **** yourself. |

Inovy Dacella
Proper Villains
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:12:00 -
[2405] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ This comment proves you are not sorry for what you did. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
169
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:12:00 -
[2406] - Quote
Xython wrote:He wasn't making a death threat. Go **** yourself.
Hey, stop making...sex threats? |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
36
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:12:00 -
[2407] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:All you "Cyberbullying" ninnies, get your terminology strait. From http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html : "Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.These are grown-ass men. It's not cyberbullying.
Arguement was held earlier. If you want to take legal terminology, then it was inciting to commit bodily harm/sucide, etc which is a criminal offense in many countries. Cyberbullying from a legal standpoint is a downplay if terminology is going to be brought in. Also cyberstalking/harassment is also considered a more serious and already many places have legal systems for such in place. |

Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
46
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:13:00 -
[2408] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:All you "Cyberbullying" ninnies, get your terminology strait. From http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html : "Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.These are grown-ass men. It's not cyberbullying. No its not, what I am worried about is a civil lawsuit. All this guy has to do is get a psychologist to determine that his mental health has deteriorated due to events happening at the Alliance Panel, then hire the psychologist as a professional witness (I am going by how US lawsuits usually go, I have been been involved in a few so no this isn't "LOL INTERNET LAWLYER" like some goonie is surely going to start spewing).
I don't care if the Mittini gets sued and now has to live in a box. I do not want CCP to get sued as that can possibly slow development of EvE online considerably.
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:14:00 -
[2409] - Quote
Xython wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:One opinion what do you think how much influence, with CCP, Mittani will have after all of this??? (if he stays where he is
NONE! Personal opinion, a fair bit. He still knows more about the game than most anybody else in eve. Still represents one of the largest mobile nullsec alliances around with the most diverse activity. I doubt he will get the VIP access however. He will still forum, mail with CSM and regardless of antics, his opinions still will hold weight. and because of that he can make drunk death threats? that he can de-value another persons life? what if he gets really drunk next fanfest and does some real mischief to a real person physically? no way i will take that, PERMA ban for him ! He wasn't making a death threat. Go **** yourself.
Your Queen has lost her way little bee, you must remove her yourself for the sake of the hive....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |

xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:15:00 -
[2410] - Quote
xXv1c10usXx wrote:xXv1c10usXx wrote:xXv1c10usXx wrote:You know what. All this pubbie B*** S*** is entirely too funny. You complain and gripe about an aspect of the game that is prevalent and real in the arena of play. If such an environment did not exist, then Empire space would be completely safe, no pirates would exist and no conflict would exist in game. Guess what, even the presentations were a reflection of the gaming community, NOT the players real life, even though real people were present.
GET OVER YOURSELF already. Holy Sh!7!!!! Crawl back in to your hole and go play ANGRY BIRDS and take your frustrations on on something where no-one loses except you and your whiny ass, disillusioned pansies that you associate with.
IF, I was offended, the dude apologized. so STFU and move on. I thought is was funny as hell myself. I know all your friends IRL don't need any enemies with folks like you around. Quoting self to add to the irrelevant fray. And again since so much other irrelevant posting is underway. |
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KanashiiKami
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:16:00 -
[2411] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=997031#post997031
lifetime ban pls ... tyvm CCP WUT ??? |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:16:00 -
[2412] - Quote
Nedes Betternaem wrote:I am going by how US lawsuits usually go, I have been been involved in a few so no this isn't "LOL INTERNET LAWLYER" like some goonie is surely going to start spewing).
Yep, it isn't "LOL INTERNET LAWLYER".
It's just lolUS.
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Gorr Kedesh
Icing Iced
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:18:00 -
[2413] - Quote
Its a shame a real not a virtual one. I hope for him, he learns something from it. |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:21:00 -
[2414] - Quote
Bill Banner wrote: Except for the fact that he had personal information in his bio, such as a link to his website and blog.
WTF........... yeah.... i will go over there in the street and paint my phone number on the wall. I am sure good things will come my way :: pure win ::
He thus loses the darwin awards I guess. |

Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
46
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:26:00 -
[2415] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Nedes Betternaem wrote:I am going by how US lawsuits usually go, I have been been involved in a few so no this isn't "LOL INTERNET LAWLYER" like some goonie is surely going to start spewing).
Yep, it isn't "LOL INTERNET LAWLYER". It's just lolUS. Yea most likely. Unfortunately CCP has holdings under US jurisdiction, so that means they can still be sued in the US. I don't know where this miner guy is located, so lets hope he lives somewhere in the EU where frivolous lawsuits are less common. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:26:00 -
[2416] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:
Indeed, thanks.
Is EULA applicable to out-of-game interactions?
Nope. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:27:00 -
[2417] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:and because of that he can make drunk death threats? that he can de-value another persons life? what if he gets really drunk next fanfest and does some real mischief to a real person physically?
no way i will take that, PERMA ban for him !
Happens every day in game. |

Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:29:00 -
[2418] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:One opinion what do you think how much influence, with CCP, Mittani will have after all of this??? (if he stays where he is
NONE! Personal opinion, a fair bit. He still knows more about the game than most anybody else in eve. Still represents one of the largest mobile nullsec alliances around with the most diverse activity. I doubt he will get the VIP access however. He will still forum, mail with CSM and regardless of antics, his opinions still will hold weight.
His opinions wont be anything more than yours or mine if he is removed or banned. The NDA should stop keeping him in the loop if the CSM does what they are supposed to.
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xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:31:00 -
[2419] - Quote
xXv1c10usXx wrote:xXv1c10usXx wrote:xXv1c10usXx wrote:You know what. All this pubbie B*** S*** is entirely too funny. You complain and gripe about an aspect of the game that is prevalent and real in the arena of play. If such an environment did not exist, then Empire space would be completely safe, no pirates would exist and no conflict would exist in game. Guess what, even the presentations were a reflection of the gaming community, NOT the players real life, even though real people were present.
GET OVER YOURSELF already. Holy Sh!7!!!! Crawl back in to your hole and go play ANGRY BIRDS and take your frustrations on on something where no-one loses except you and your whiny ass, disillusioned pansies that you associate with.
IF, I was offended, the dude apologized. so STFU and move on. I thought is was funny as hell myself. I know all your friends IRL don't need any enemies with folks like you around. Quoting self to add to the irrelevant fray. And again since so much other irrelevant posting is underway.
Geez, and again. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
140
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:33:00 -
[2420] - Quote
I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA.
Underhanded politics indeed |
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:36:00 -
[2421] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:
and because of that he can make drunk death threats? that he can de-value another persons life? what if he gets really drunk next fanfest and does some real mischief to a real person physically?
no way i will take that, PERMA ban for him !
I have been mailed RL death threats, threats to harm my family and other vile mail in my days as a lowsec pirate, and simply for exploding some stupid persons vessel. Should they all get perma bans too? I keep the old hate mail as its funny, so, shall I start petitioning them? Oh and I imagine these threats wernt made by drunk people either, simply angry people sat at their PCs, isnt that worse?
The thing is, I wont petition them as it is a game, a tough game for sure that deals out hard medicine, but I wouldnt take these peoples game away from them even if they do make threats to me. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
294
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:37:00 -
[2422] - Quote
esc shk wrote:I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA.
Underhanded politics indeed
Because recalls never happen right? |

Allataria
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:38:00 -
[2423] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters.
Do you not know the difference between cyber bullying and griefing? This is clearly griefing. Cyber bullying is repeatedly going after this guy again and again constantly. Bringing up an old story during a presentation and making fun of the conversation once and not constantly harassing this guy is not cyber bullying. How does this differ from any number of the greifing and smack talking that goes on in the game, on the forums, on third party websites, evenews24, kugu etc. etc.? Its every pvp players given right to smack talk and give crap to people who are stupid and explode to make a huge deal out of losing internet spaceships and pixels. Every alliance and corp is guilty of it and everyone has done it. Nobody makes light of the people walking up to the mic when Mittens is sober and trying to do a CSM panel and gets bombarded with players not asking questions and only wanting to say he is a douchebag and he sucks etc.! Why isnt that cyberbullying? Why doesnt that get shamed on? Oh yeah... its because nobody cares and its all in good fun and its part of the game and the experience in being in a perpetually changing world of pvp fun and hilarity. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
140
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:38:00 -
[2424] - Quote
I too would recall Barack Obama over telling someone that they should die. Oh wait some of the Republican Candidates are actually saying that in the Primaries and have a legitmate chance of being nominated by their party.
The World is a silly place isn't it? |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:42:00 -
[2425] - Quote
Mittani has to go, there is no other way. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:45:00 -
[2426] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittani has to go, there is no other way.
Or else ?
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zufina
Biotronics Inc. The Initiative.
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:46:00 -
[2427] - Quote
I think every person who posted here the support for the way the cybermobbing etc. should get banned - at least for a few days. and he should be kicked out of every position to speak for again for the eve community. |

Allataria
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:46:00 -
[2428] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.
Who the **** are you kidding? Have you read the comments on other forums? Everyone is laughing at Eve.
Everyone is laughing at EVE because of how ridiculous you up tight prudes are making this small thing into some overblown news story. Every game has griefers and this was just one small example of it. They aren't laughing at the game or the players or why we play or the culture of the game! The culture of the game and the culture of the pvp is no different then 12 year olds screaming and cussing on MW3 on Xbox Live! They are laughing because some uptight high sec pubbies who have never experienced pvp in an mmo game obviously are having some massive problem with something that goes on daily in this game and hundreds of others! It was a hilarious alliance panel from start to finish. The audience was laughing at Mittens as was the CCP moderators the panel itself and the CSM members in the crowd. We laughed because its something that happens all too often and each time its a little varied and different and another great story. Even the guy who was at the center of it The Wis doesnt even care and laughed about it.
You few high sec prudes need to get over yourself and you people on your alts who are doing this just to see mittens go down in flames are nothing but hypocrites as you know you have done the same crap multiple times.
Mittens doesnt need to resign. All he did was grief a player and more 75% of the player base would have done the same thing in his position given the opportunity. We all love tears in this game and these were sweet tears of loss.
What will be funny is if he does step down as chairman that he would run for CSM8 and win again just to spite all the hypocrites and prudes who have come out underneath their rocks just to spread flames on stuff they dont understand or are completely oblivious to. |

THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:46:00 -
[2429] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittani has to go, there is no other way.
Sucks to be in your little world now doesn't it. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:46:00 -
[2430] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittani has to go, there is no other way. Or else ?
Or else all of NCdot's titan pilots who have apparently already unsubbed will unsub all over again! |
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Rao Kappa
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:48:00 -
[2431] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittani has to go, there is no other way. Or else ?
Biscuits. Biscuits for everyone. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
491
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:50:00 -
[2432] - Quote
Rao Kappa wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittani has to go, there is no other way. Or else ? Biscuits. Biscuits for everyone.
Wait, are we talking US Biscuits, or UK Biscuits?
THIS IS VITAL INFORMATION |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:50:00 -
[2433] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Personal opinion, a fair bit. He still knows more about the game than most anybody else in eve. Still represents one of the largest mobile nullsec alliances around with the most diverse activity. I doubt he will get the VIP access however. He will still forum, mail with CSM and regardless of antics, his opinions still will hold weight.
and because of that he can make drunk death threats? that he can de-value another persons life? what if he gets really drunk next fanfest and does some real mischief to a real person physically?
no way i will take that, PERMA ban for him ![/quote]
Didn't support him, I answered a question. The EULA has rules for the situation, ccp would have guidelines for punishment, and that is what will happen. Permaban, quite a possibility, but would that actually be beneficial for eve over a term ban? |

THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:50:00 -
[2434] - Quote
Xython wrote:Rao Kappa wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittani has to go, there is no other way. Or else ? Biscuits. Biscuits for everyone. Wait, are we talking US Biscuits, or UK Biscuits? THIS IS VITAL INFORMATION
Dog Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:50:00 -
[2435] - Quote
Allataria wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
From a PR, advertisement and subscriber count point of view, quite probably Mittens has done more good than bad for CCP.
Who the **** are you kidding? Have you read the comments on other forums? Everyone is laughing at Eve. Everyone is laughing at EVE because of how ridiculous you up tight prudes are making this small thing into some overblown news story. Every game has griefers and this was just one small example of it. They aren't laughing at the game or the players or why we play or the culture of the game! The culture of the game and the culture of the pvp is no different then 12 year olds screaming and cussing on MW3 on Xbox Live! They are laughing because some uptight high sec pubbies who have never experienced pvp in an mmo game obviously are having some massive problem with something that goes on daily in this game and hundreds of others! It was a hilarious alliance panel from start to finish. The audience was laughing at Mittens as was the CCP moderators the panel itself and the CSM members in the crowd. We laughed because its something that happens all too often and each time its a little varied and different and another great story. Even the guy who was at the center of it The Wis doesnt even care and laughed about it. You few high sec prudes need to get over yourself and you people on your alts who are doing this just to see mittens go down in flames are nothing but hypocrites as you know you have done the same crap multiple times.
Please return when you've graduated to full paragraphs, or highschool, whichever. 
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |

Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
83
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:51:00 -
[2436] - Quote
Too serious, damage control is too serious. |

Bill Banner
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:52:00 -
[2437] - Quote
Welsige wrote:Bill Banner wrote: Except for the fact that he had personal information in his bio, such as a link to his website and blog.
WTF........... yeah.... i will go over there in the street and paint my phone number on the wall. I am sure good things will come my way :: pure win :: He thus loses the darwin awards I guess.
Not too bright, but it is what it is....
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Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:03:00 -
[2438] - Quote
esc shk wrote:I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA.
Underhanded politics indeed
How much laughing will he be doing when he is turned down for a job in the real world because of this? I am not saying he will be by the way.
In the current world with so much internet usage companies hiring people into resposible positions, and even universities on high demand courses, are no longer just investigating the back ground of people through the old ways, criminal record checks, credit checks references etc. They are now also searching the web for the prospective employees social networking sites, youtube channels and what ever these link to. They then use this to help them make a decisions to employ someone.
People have been turned down for jobs because they have posted pics of themselves at a night out were they are rat arsed beyond belief and mooning their friends who take the picture, this includes pics on linked friends profiles if it is not on theirs if they are the one in the pics. This is a tad more serious than that and so may have more long reaching effects than either he or his friends might think.
In this day and age you have to think carefully before posting anything like this or doing it infront of a camera drunk or not.
Some universeties are now even thinking of or have brought in rules that behaviour off the campus is still actionable by them even during the holidays. Such behaviour could therefore in theory also result in someon being thrown off the course they are on.
Jsut because people are posting with NPC corp characters does not make them alts, nor their opinions worthless, just like you they have the right to express their opinion, you have the right to ignore it, but trying to belittle them is more telling about you as a person than it is about them. |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:03:00 -
[2439] - Quote
Bill Banner wrote:Welsige wrote:Bill Banner wrote: Except for the fact that he had personal information in his bio, such as a link to his website and blog.
WTF........... yeah.... i will go over there in the street and paint my phone number on the wall. I am sure good things will come my way :: pure win :: He thus loses the darwin awards I guess. Not too bright, but it is what it is....
Still its his mistake to keep that kind of info in the bio, only name said was the digital one, as a sarcastic joke i am sure would have died rigth there if no fuzz from a reporter without better news to post. |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:04:00 -
[2440] - Quote
TLDR;
While acting as a representative of a corporation or organisation, you must abide by the very rules and regulations of such, no less follow the laws of the respective country they reside within.
No corporation can or will condone an employee or contractee promoting "death by proxy", not even as a joke. This is a very serious matter, and opens up for huge liabilities.
Thats all there is to it. Thats what it boils down to, one misplaced sentence in the heat of the battle, with rocket fuel flowing freely. Everything else is irrelevant. Alcohol consumption will never work as an excuse. "Sorry, judge, I was so drunk I shot the guy in the face, I have no idea why"
Obviously, I don't fancy Mittens nor the Goons very much, and I certainly didn't want him as a chairman of the CSM. But regardless, I would not be a part of a lynchmob witch-hunting Mittens if I had even the slightest of doubts. I am not a Goon, I will not lower myself to their level to make sure Mittens leaves office.
Maybe I would not have been as eager to argue about it, if it was my own candidate. But I am sure, if he had done the same, we'd have an even worse shitstorm on these forums, demanding his imminent demise.
As for Mittens, the person, I have no problems with him. We all do stupid sh*t while drunk. However, as a spokesperson for CCP/CSM, he'll need to start over again, at least from where I'm sitting...
Cheers
esc shk wrote:I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA.
Underhanded politics indeed
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Chokichi Ozuwara
Lucky Dragon Convenience
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:06:00 -
[2441] - Quote
esc shk wrote:I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA.
Underhanded politics indeed You managed to completely miss the point. Bully for you. Start a corp and do it yourself. You'll fail, but you'll enjoy failing. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |

Public Relation
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:06:00 -
[2442] - Quote
Apology was done right.
Alex have not try to excuse himself.
Everybody makes mistake, especially under alchool influence. That is why i never get drunk.
You don't need to resign Alex. But it is up to you to take the decision. |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:09:00 -
[2443] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
So was it tasteless, sure... but look at the damage that was actually done: none.
So basicly, what your saying, people can say whatever they like, as long as it doesn't actually cause any physical damage? So i could get all my mates to try to get you to hang yourself, and as long as you don't actually do it, thats fine? What about if we are all calling you the "n" word cause we know you're black? That fine too? How about we all laugh at the fact someone's got no legs, and encourage them to push themselves in a pool? Oh, thats ok though, he didn't actually do what we suggested, so thats fine too! What you say has consequences, be it physical or psychological. If he was messaging these things in game, i'd be like, Meh! Thats Mittani, everyone knows he's a ****, just ignore him. Doing it live on the internet, in person, and trying to get others to follow suit, makes it a whole different ball-game! No surprise at-all its exploded this big. Don't you guys watch politics in the real-world? And im still amazed that Goons are STILL defending his actions, even when he's admitted he's at fault. Oh, yeah, i forgot. They already know his apology was a Fake! i think what you said should be reposted on all other forums n multiple times so people get an idea of the real problem ...
Just a drop in a very large ocean of threads.
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Major Spag
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:10:00 -
[2444] - Quote
To say nothing of the complete waste of posting and finger movement energy that should have got the vast majority of the people on this forum to resign and/or get them banned.
Seriously, if you honestly cared enough about this player, you should have spent the last year since the incident coaching him and convincing him to seek medical help. Good job caring only when it is popular to do so. I hope whichever internet girl friend you have is truly impressed over your sudden concern for someone who is so terribly mentally handicapped as to contemplate suicide over an effing video game! I am serious. Pat yourself on the back. You win the internet by caring only because it was mentioned in a drunk fueled power point presentation. :golfclap:
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IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance
295
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:13:00 -
[2445] - Quote
[quote=esc shk]I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA Underhanded politics indeed[/quote I care not what happens to The Mittani. There is a much bigger issue here in my opinion. I'm certain you realize this and yet you choose to deflect and make this really about something its not. Some may be politically motivated however there are those among us who happen to see this affair as merely a symptom of a larger more disconcerting issue. Its the issue of a world cyber and otherwise unfettered by any code of moral decency where this action is applauded as some sort of standard of behavior In a meritocratic game like EVE you stand to benefit from the misfortune of others. This is a core property of the game and one in which I find uniquely appealing and all to rare in modern society. In order to truly win someone has to lose. However only a individual lacking in self control, and self respect would act as the Mittani did and perceive a benefit from it. Now you have to defend your guy, I get that, but all I would ask is that you take a good look at what you're defending before you make the statement that nobody got hurt The fact of the matter is, positive outcome aside, someone could have been. Just becuase I drive home from the bar drunk and manage to not kill anyone doesn't mean what I did was somehow less wrong becuase nobody got hurt The apology was a good start, but like The Mittani even mentioned actions are in fact greater than words. What I want to see is what he intends to do next. In my mind he brought attention to a serious issue in a flippant, arrogant, and insensitive way. I'd like to see him make amends for that. A simple I'm sorry and a little ISK is not action as far as I'm concerned Furthermore, even though I did not vote for the guy I do respect what he and the rest of CMS6 achieved for the betterment of the game. Its a shame that this had to happen and that its likely his influence within CCP has been voided by a few words. CCP has to and will protect its interests in this matter. To be frank some of the blame falls on CCP for having a Panel Session in which grand arrogant gestures are encouraged and the speakers are provided alcohol. It was only a matter of time before someone said something stupid. That by no means absolves The Mittani, but the set up did him no favors. When you appeal to the lowest common denominator that is likely what you will get. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |

Dasfunkeh
Barr Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:15:00 -
[2446] - Quote
Yep, yep yep, no, no, no.
Sorry, there is no way I'm reading all this crap
tl;dr - wut |

Rao Kappa
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:17:00 -
[2447] - Quote
Xython wrote:Rao Kappa wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittani has to go, there is no other way. Or else ? Biscuits. Biscuits for everyone. Wait, are we talking US Biscuits, or UK Biscuits? THIS IS VITAL INFORMATION
US Biscuits. Flaky, golden brown buttermilk smothered in butter all ready to melt in your mouth. |

IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance
295
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:19:00 -
[2448] - Quote
Major Spag wrote:To say nothing of the complete waste of posting and finger movement energy that should have got the vast majority of the people on this forum to resign and/or get them banned.
Seriously, if you honestly cared enough about this player, you should have spent the last year since the incident coaching him and convincing him to seek medical help. Good job caring only when it is popular to do so. I hope whichever internet girl friend you have is truly impressed over your sudden concern for someone who is so terribly mentally handicapped as to contemplate suicide over an effing video game! I am serious. Pat yourself on the back. You win the internet by caring only because it was mentioned in a drunk fueled power point presentation. :golfclap:
You seem to misunderstand. I don't know, nor do I care personally about the player. However if I had received an e-mail in which a player admits to suicidal thoughts the absolute last thing I would consider doing is to include it into a Presentation I intended to give at Fanfest and then openly suggest people greif the guy! Especially if I was the CEO of Goonswarm and the Chairman of the CSM.
Some things you just don't do.
'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |

THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:19:00 -
[2449] - Quote
IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:[quote=esc shk]I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA Underhanded politics indeed[/quote I care not what happens to The Mittani. There is a much bigger issue here in my opinion. I'm certain you realize this and yet you choose to deflect and make this really about something its not. Some may be politically motivated however there are those among us who happen to see this affair as merely a symptom of a larger more disconcerting issue. Its the issue of a world cyber and otherwise unfettered by any code of moral decency where this action is applauded as some sort of standard of behavior In a meritocratic game like EVE you stand to benefit from the misfortune of others. This is a core property of the game and one in which I find uniquely appealing and all to rare in modern society. In order to truly win someone has to lose. However only a individual lacking in self control, and self respect would act as the Mittani did and perceive a benefit from it. Now you have to defend your guy, I get that, but all I would ask is that you take a good look at what you're defending before you make the statement that nobody got hurt The fact of the matter is, positive outcome aside, someone could have been. Just becuase I drive home from the bar drunk and manage to not kill anyone doesn't mean what I did was somehow less wrong becuase nobody got hurt The apology was a good start, but like The Mittani even mentioned actions are in fact greater than words. What I want to see is what he intends to do next. In my mind he brought attention to a serious issue in a flippant, arrogant, and insensitive way. I'd like to see him make amends for that. A simple I'm sorry and a little ISK is not action as far as I'm concerned Furthermore, even though I did not vote for the guy I do respect what he and the rest of CMS6 achieved for the betterment of the game. Its a shame that this had to happen and that its likely his influence within CCP has been voided by a few words. CCP has to and will protect its interests in this matter. To be frank some of the blame falls on CCP for having a Panel Session in which grand arrogant gestures are encouraged and the speakers are provided alcohol. It was only a matter of time before someone said something stupid. That by no means absolves The Mittani, but the set up did him no favors. When you appeal to the lowest common denominator that is likely what you will get.
What the hell happened here man! Are your paragraphs forming together like an amoeba and slowly consuming the quote? I don't even know where to begin! Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp Black Thorne Alliance
295
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:26:00 -
[2450] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:[quote=esc shk]I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA Underhanded politics indeed[/quote I care not what happens to The Mittani. There is a much bigger issue here in my opinion. I'm certain you realize this and yet you choose to deflect and make this really about something its not. Some may be politically motivated however there are those among us who happen to see this affair as merely a symptom of a larger more disconcerting issue. Its the issue of a world cyber and otherwise unfettered by any code of moral decency where this action is applauded as some sort of standard of behavior In a meritocratic game like EVE you stand to benefit from the misfortune of others. This is a core property of the game and one in which I find uniquely appealing and all to rare in modern society. In order to truly win someone has to lose. However only a individual lacking in self control, and self respect would act as the Mittani did and perceive a benefit from it. Now you have to defend your guy, I get that, but all I would ask is that you take a good look at what you're defending before you make the statement that nobody got hurt The fact of the matter is, positive outcome aside, someone could have been. Just becuase I drive home from the bar drunk and manage to not kill anyone doesn't mean what I did was somehow less wrong becuase nobody got hurt The apology was a good start, but like The Mittani even mentioned actions are in fact greater than words. What I want to see is what he intends to do next. In my mind he brought attention to a serious issue in a flippant, arrogant, and insensitive way. I'd like to see him make amends for that. A simple I'm sorry and a little ISK is not action as far as I'm concerned Furthermore, even though I did not vote for the guy I do respect what he and the rest of CMS6 achieved for the betterment of the game. Its a shame that this had to happen and that its likely his influence within CCP has been voided by a few words. CCP has to and will protect its interests in this matter. To be frank some of the blame falls on CCP for having a Panel Session in which grand arrogant gestures are encouraged and the speakers are provided alcohol. It was only a matter of time before someone said something stupid. That by no means absolves The Mittani, but the set up did him no favors. When you appeal to the lowest common denominator that is likely what you will get. What the hell happened here man! Are your paragraphs forming together like an amoeba and slowly consuming the quote? I don't even know where to begin! I have no idea what the heck is happening. Its pissing me off. These forums could use some help. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:29:00 -
[2451] - Quote
IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:[quote=esc shk]I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA Underhanded politics indeed[/quote I care not what happens to The Mittani. There is a much bigger issue here in my opinion. I'm certain you realize this and yet you choose to deflect and make this really about something its not. Some may be politically motivated however there are those among us who happen to see this affair as merely a symptom of a larger more disconcerting issue. Its the issue of a world cyber and otherwise unfettered by any code of moral decency where this action is applauded as some sort of standard of behavior In a meritocratic game like EVE you stand to benefit from the misfortune of others. This is a core property of the game and one in which I find uniquely appealing and all to rare in modern society. In order to truly win someone has to lose. However only a individual lacking in self control, and self respect would act as the Mittani did and perceive a benefit from it. Now you have to defend your guy, I get that, but all I would ask is that you take a good look at what you're defending before you make the statement that nobody got hurt The fact of the matter is, positive outcome aside, someone could have been. Just becuase I drive home from the bar drunk and manage to not kill anyone doesn't mean what I did was somehow less wrong becuase nobody got hurt The apology was a good start, but like The Mittani even mentioned actions are in fact greater than words. What I want to see is what he intends to do next. In my mind he brought attention to a serious issue in a flippant, arrogant, and insensitive way. I'd like to see him make amends for that. A simple I'm sorry and a little ISK is not action as far as I'm concerned Furthermore, even though I did not vote for the guy I do respect what he and the rest of CMS6 achieved for the betterment of the game. Its a shame that this had to happen and that its likely his influence within CCP has been voided by a few words. CCP has to and will protect its interests in this matter. To be frank some of the blame falls on CCP for having a Panel Session in which grand arrogant gestures are encouraged and the speakers are provided alcohol. It was only a matter of time before someone said something stupid. That by no means absolves The Mittani, but the set up did him no favors. When you appeal to the lowest common denominator that is likely what you will get.
Holy **** :words: |

KanashiiKami
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:32:00 -
[2452] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:[quote=esc shk]I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA Underhanded politics indeed[/quote I care not what happens to The Mittani. There is a much bigger issue here in my opinion. I'm certain you realize this and yet you choose to deflect and make this really about something its not. Some may be politically motivated however there are those among us who happen to see this affair as merely a symptom of a larger more disconcerting issue. Its the issue of a world cyber and otherwise unfettered by any code of moral decency where this action is applauded as some sort of standard of behavior In a meritocratic game like EVE you stand to benefit from the misfortune of others. This is a core property of the game and one in which I find uniquely appealing and all to rare in modern society. In order to truly win someone has to lose. However only a individual lacking in self control, and self respect would act as the Mittani did and perceive a benefit from it. Now you have to defend your guy, I get that, but all I would ask is that you take a good look at what you're defending before you make the statement that nobody got hurt The fact of the matter is, positive outcome aside, someone could have been. Just becuase I drive home from the bar drunk and manage to not kill anyone doesn't mean what I did was somehow less wrong becuase nobody got hurt The apology was a good start, but like The Mittani even mentioned actions are in fact greater than words. What I want to see is what he intends to do next. In my mind he brought attention to a serious issue in a flippant, arrogant, and insensitive way. I'd like to see him make amends for that. A simple I'm sorry and a little ISK is not action as far as I'm concerned Furthermore, even though I did not vote for the guy I do respect what he and the rest of CMS6 achieved for the betterment of the game. Its a shame that this had to happen and that its likely his influence within CCP has been voided by a few words. CCP has to and will protect its interests in this matter. To be frank some of the blame falls on CCP for having a Panel Session in which grand arrogant gestures are encouraged and the speakers are provided alcohol. It was only a matter of time before someone said something stupid. That by no means absolves The Mittani, but the set up did him no favors. When you appeal to the lowest common denominator that is likely what you will get. What the hell happened here man! Are your paragraphs forming together like an amoeba and slowly consuming the quote? I don't even know where to begin!
this is the portion i think makes sense too --->To be frank some of the blame falls on CCP for having a Panel Session in which grand arrogant gestures are encouraged and the speakers are provided alcohol. It was only a matter of time before someone said something stupid.
CCP did create a sandbox to allow some gamers bask in this scenario of being a jerk and get away with it, he obviously took it too far. he always takes it to that range doesnt he? and his followers do not bat an eyelid over any virtual crimes or wadeva its called, nope its not a crime, its part of the game feature... right ... so now it starts happening in real life?
and i say again, lifetime ban for him. WUT ??? |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:34:00 -
[2453] - Quote
Allataria wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters. Do you not know the difference between cyber bullying and griefing? This is clearly griefing. Cyber bullying is repeatedly going after this guy again and again constantly. Bringing up an old story during a presentation and making fun of the conversation once and not constantly harassing this guy is not cyber bullying. How does this differ from any number of the greifing and smack talking that goes on in the game, on the forums, on third party websites, evenews24, kugu etc. etc.? Its every pvp players given right to smack talk and give crap to people who are stupid and explode to make a huge deal out of losing internet spaceships and pixels. Every alliance and corp is guilty of it and everyone has done it. Nobody makes light of the people walking up to the mic when Mittens is sober and trying to do a CSM panel and gets bombarded with players not asking questions and only wanting to say he is a douchebag and he sucks etc.! Why isnt that cyberbullying? Why doesnt that get shamed on? Oh yeah... its because nobody cares and its all in good fun and its part of the game and the experience in being in a perpetually changing world of pvp fun and hilarity.
The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless. |

esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:35:00 -
[2454] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:esc shk wrote:I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA.
Underhanded politics indeed How much laughing will he be doing when he is turned down for a job in the real world because of this? I am not saying he will be by the way. In the current world with so much internet usage companies hiring people into responsible positions, and even universities on high demand courses, are no longer just investigating the back ground of people through the old ways, criminal record checks, credit checks references etc. They are now also searching the web for the prospective employees social networking sites, youtube channels and what ever these link to. They then use this to help them make a decisions to employ someone. People have been turned down for jobs because they have posted pics of themselves at a night out were they are rat arsed beyond belief and mooning their friends who take the picture, this includes pics on linked friends profiles if it is not on theirs if they are the one in the pics. This is a tad more serious than that and so may have more long reaching effects than either he or his friends might think. In this day and age you have to think carefully before posting anything like this or doing it infront of a camera drunk or not. Some universeties are now even thinking of or have brought in rules that behaviour off the campus is still actionable by them even during the holidays. Such behaviour could therefore in theory also result in someone being thrown off the course they are on. Just because people are posting with NPC corp characters does not make them alts, nor their opinions worthless, just like you they have the right to express their opinion, you have the right to ignore it, but trying to belittle them is more telling about you as a person than it is about them.
TLDR - ABLOOBLOOBLOO
He's retired fyi |

THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:38:00 -
[2455] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Allataria wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:Issler should resign for trying to spin the story for his own gain.
People need to learn the difference between griefing and cyber bullying. This was griefing not cyber bullying. You may think that, many others might think that, but every site which is reporting on the story are reporting it as Cyber Bullying and that is what matters. Do you not know the difference between cyber bullying and griefing? This is clearly griefing. Cyber bullying is repeatedly going after this guy again and again constantly. Bringing up an old story during a presentation and making fun of the conversation once and not constantly harassing this guy is not cyber bullying. How does this differ from any number of the greifing and smack talking that goes on in the game, on the forums, on third party websites, evenews24, kugu etc. etc.? Its every pvp players given right to smack talk and give crap to people who are stupid and explode to make a huge deal out of losing internet spaceships and pixels. Every alliance and corp is guilty of it and everyone has done it. Nobody makes light of the people walking up to the mic when Mittens is sober and trying to do a CSM panel and gets bombarded with players not asking questions and only wanting to say he is a douchebag and he sucks etc.! Why isnt that cyberbullying? Why doesnt that get shamed on? Oh yeah... its because nobody cares and its all in good fun and its part of the game and the experience in being in a perpetually changing world of pvp fun and hilarity. The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment..... Wow, you guys really are shameless.
Don't suppose you happen to have a tally sheet of all the goons who have attacked him since the quote do you? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:44:00 -
[2456] - Quote
Quote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
Don't suppose you happen to have a tally sheet of all the goons who have attacked him since the quote do you?
I imagine Mittens called them off when he because scared about losing his CSM position.
But why don't you, like a good Goonie, lie about how you wouldn't have harassed him..........
Lie about why your aren't now. You know, cause it would be bad for Mittens.
Please, by all means, continue the shameless lies. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
45
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:46:00 -
[2457] - Quote
So, mittens could lose his seat on the CSM for a miner offence? |

THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:48:00 -
[2458] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
Don't suppose you happen to have a tally sheet of all the goons who have attacked him since the quote do you? I imagine Mittens called them off when he because scared about losing his CSM position. But why don't you, like a good Goonie, lie about how you wouldn't have harassed him.......... Lie about why your aren't now. You know, cause it would be bad for Mittens. Please, by all means, continue the shameless lies.
So, by your own admission no goon actually fulfilled this 'cyber bullying attack', which logically means that the attack never really took place. Or are we going by Minority Report standards?
Also, I don't suppose you happen to have proof that I'm a goon do you, or is this just another error on your part? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
145
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:51:00 -
[2459] - Quote
busy little bees, give me your sweet nectar tears
goon tears best tears |

Tronjay the'3rd
Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:51:00 -
[2460] - Quote
I don't need a CSM chairman with those kind of immature standards.
Mittens, resign and move on. Be a man!!!!!! |
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MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:56:00 -
[2461] - Quote
Not exactly.
Minor sentence, major offense.
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:So, mittens could lose his seat on the CSM for a miner offence?
|

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:59:00 -
[2462] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:Not exactly. Minor sentence, major offense. Josef Djugashvilis wrote:So, mittens could lose his seat on the CSM for a miner offence? No, a miner offense. As Im sure you are all aware, crimes against miners do not count. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
306
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:59:00 -
[2463] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:busy little bees, give me your sweet nectar tears
goon tears best tears
Goon tears taste like honey. So delicious. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
173
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:00:00 -
[2464] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:I imagine Mittens called them off when he because scared about losing his CSM position.
But why don't you, like a good Goonie, lie about how you wouldn't have harassed him..........
Lie about why your aren't now. You know, cause it would be bad for Mittens.
Please, by all means, continue the shameless lies.
The presentation and his BIG BAD THREAT was on Friday, and none of this really blew up until Sunday/Monday. That's 2 or 3 days of solid harassment this ARMY OF GOONIES!!! would have gotten in before he came to his senses. Yet, when he (The Wis) was contacted about this on Monday afternoon, he had no idea that anything had even happened. That must have been some serious harassment!
Of course, it's that or Mittens made a godawful joke that nobody listening took seriously until some publord who fell asleep halfway through reading a Cliff's Notes of The Prince decided to use this to get Mittens removed from either the CSM or from the game entirely.
That's just silly though because GOONIES
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
306
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:00:00 -
[2465] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
Don't suppose you happen to have a tally sheet of all the goons who have attacked him since the quote do you? I imagine Mittens called them off when he because scared about losing his CSM position. But why don't you, like a good Goonie, lie about how you wouldn't have harassed him.......... Lie about why your aren't now. You know, cause it would be bad for Mittens. Please, by all means, continue the shameless lies. So, by your own admission no goon actually fulfilled this 'cyber bullying attack', which logically means that the attack never really took place. Or are we going by Minority Report standards? Also, I don't suppose you happen to have proof that I'm a goon do you, or is this just another error on your part?
The threat of violence still counts legally in most places mate.
This was a very clear Threat.
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Quantum Drummer
Perkone Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:02:00 -
[2466] - Quote
If he quits I quit CCP. FYI. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
45
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:02:00 -
[2467] - Quote
MindRanger wrote:Not exactly. Minor sentence, major offense. Josef Djugashvilis wrote:So, mittens could lose his seat on the CSM for a miner offence?
Sorry was my poor attempt to be funny making a play on the word 'miner/minor'
At least I tried. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:02:00 -
[2468] - Quote
Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
No idea who wrote this, but they are talking crap. Mittens was ASKED by some dude for the name, having mocked the tears of an anonymous miner - one of several, his presentation was a collection of tears - and said '"IF you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is The Wis" (Mittens then spelt the name out a few times)
Notice how he did not order anyone to harrass this guy at all?
People are just jumping on the bandwagon without knowing what actually went on. Sure, Mittens was a tool, an inibriated tool, but he is not guiltly of cyberbullying or whatever other charge people are labelling him with. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
173
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:03:00 -
[2469] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sorry was my poor attempt to be funny making a play on the word 'miner/minor'
At least I tried.
I chuckled, if it was any consolation  |

MindRanger
Versatech Co. Raiden.
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:04:00 -
[2470] - Quote
Another TLDR... This is the respective law related to this particular subject, in the UK...
Suicide Act 19611961 CHAPTER 60 9 and 10 Eliz 2
Criminal liability for complicity in anotherGÇÖs suicide.(1)A person who aids, abets, counsels or procures the suicide of another, or an attempt by another to commit suicide, shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.
(2)If on the trial of an indictment for murder or manslaughter it is proved that the accused aided, abetted, counselled or procured the suicide of the person in question, the jury may find him guilty of that offence.
(3)The enactments mentioned in the first column of the First Schedule to this Act shall have effect subject to the amendments provided for in the second column (which preserve in relation to offences under this section the previous operation of those enactments in relation to murder or manslaughter).
(4). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . F1no proceedings shall be instituted for an offence under this section except by or with the consent of the Director of Public Prosecution Criminal liability for complicity in anotherGÇÖs suicide.(1)A person who aids, abets, counsels or procures the suicide of another, or an attempt by another to commit suicide, shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years. |
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Kobal81
Awesome Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:05:00 -
[2471] - Quote
Orbital Bombardment.....anyone? |

Glasgow Dunlop
Death Glider's Legacy Apocalyptic Legion.
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:07:00 -
[2472] - Quote
Its All Politics, no matter what happens now if he steps down as chairman will he still be on the CSM,and he will probally be elected as chairman next time round ( unless ccp put in rules for the CSM )
how many times have 'persons that represent' us put there foot royaly in it, he screwed up, and everybody does from time to time, from all walks of life, even ccp *cough* incarna *cough*
He said sorry and is now under pressure from ever man and his pod to walk ( barring the goons and everybody else that voted him ) but if he can come through all the **** hes been put under right now, it must make him a better man for the job?? This does seem like the biggest shitstorm since the jita roits, but all you need to do is look at Silvio Berlusconi and all the **** he done!
He was elceted there, and unless you hold a re-election, he should stay there |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:09:00 -
[2473] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
Don't suppose you happen to have a tally sheet of all the goons who have attacked him since the quote do you? I imagine Mittens called them off when he because scared about losing his CSM position. But why don't you, like a good Goonie, lie about how you wouldn't have harassed him.......... Lie about why your aren't now. You know, cause it would be bad for Mittens. Please, by all means, continue the shameless lies. So, by your own admission no goon actually fulfilled this 'cyber bullying attack', which logically means that the attack never really took place. Or are we going by Minority Report standards? Also, I don't suppose you happen to have proof that I'm a goon do you, or is this just another error on your part? The threat of violence still counts legally in most places mate. This was a very clear Threat.
Maybe if you capitalize the entire word, it will lend your ******** argument weight. |

KanashiiKami
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:09:00 -
[2474] - Quote
Inovy Dacella wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ This comment proves you are not sorry for what you did.
yea ... i really do not believe anything he wud say, cos as long he digs himself out. all the same sxxt will just happen again, and he will just make it a louder laugh the moment he gets a chance on another poor bloke. and he will prolly issue a game wide grief order and have the last laugh on all of us like he did to ice miners ...
PERMA ban pls CCP ! WUT ??? |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
258
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:10:00 -
[2475] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
No idea who wrote this, but they are talking crap. Mittens was ASKED by some dude for the name, having mocked the tears of an anonymous miner - one of several, his presentation was a collection of tears - and said '"IF you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is The Wis" (Mittens then spelt the name out a few times) Notice how he did not order anyone to harrass this guy at all? People are just jumping on the bandwagon without knowing what actually went on. Sure, Mittens was a tool, an inibriated tool, but he is not guiltly of cyberbullying or whatever other charge people are labelling him with.
Yeah he didn't technically "order" anything. All he did was facilitate and encourage thousands of people to try to make someone kill himself. You're grasping at syntax straws, brosef. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:11:00 -
[2476] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:The threat of violence still counts legally in most places mate.
This was a very clear Threat.
No it wasnt. Go watch the footage before commenting further. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:14:00 -
[2477] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
No idea who wrote this, but they are talking crap. Mittens was ASKED by some dude for the name, having mocked the tears of an anonymous miner - one of several, his presentation was a collection of tears - and said '"IF you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is The Wis" (Mittens then spelt the name out a few times) Notice how he did not order anyone to harrass this guy at all? People are just jumping on the bandwagon without knowing what actually went on. Sure, Mittens was a tool, an inibriated tool, but he is not guiltly of cyberbullying or whatever other charge people are labelling him with. Yeah he didn't technically "order" anything. All he did was facilitate and encourage thousands of people to try to make someone kill himself. You're grasping at syntax straws, brosef. And all the people extrapolating a few sentances into legal offenses arent grasping at syntax straws? |

Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:15:00 -
[2478] - Quote
Xython wrote:Pepinillos wrote:I can't tell what is worse, Mittani's performance or the attitude of the legion of Goons posting in this thread. Simply disgusting Simply disgusting pretty much sums us up. But we're still the best EVE players in the game according to CCP, and our leader is the new CSM7 leader with the BIGGEST MANDATE IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME, so hey, we must be doing something right. And it probably eats you alive, you pathetic sockpuppet coward.
Hey! you found a way to suck your own ****. Great Job! I'm SOOOO glad that all y'all Goons have finally be crowned as the only people who could possibly matter in a virtual, fictional universe. Not only that, the Gods themselves have come down to us lowly specks of dirt found between the bathroom tiles, and extolled how amazingly awesome the Goonswarm is, and how we should all wish we could be as awesome, while at the same time reminding us that we could never be; for we are only the meat ground in your perpetual motion machine. Where would Goons be without us "pubbies" to grief and gank? We should be so thankful. /sarcasm
I'm sure it really helps your low self-esteem to defend someone calling for incitement to harassment, with the intent to force someone to actually kill themselves, but all your doing is giving me a reason to be disgusted by you and your organization even more. Gloat on, Goonswarm. It all sounds like teen preening to me. Nothing lasts forever though, so enjoy the depravity while you can. |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
262
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:15:00 -
[2479] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote: In this day and age you have to think carefully before posting anything like this or doing it infront of a camera drunk or not.
The simple fact is, this video will be tied in to google searches of Alex's name forever. If you were a technically savvy employer, would YOU hire this guy after seeing the video? A law firm will never hire him, except maybe out of pity to clean the toilets in the executive bathroom because they knew his dad once.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:17:00 -
[2480] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote: In this day and age you have to think carefully before posting anything like this or doing it infront of a camera drunk or not.
The simple fact is, this video will be tied in to google searches of Alex's name forever. If you were a technically savvy employer, would YOU hire this guy after seeing the video? A law firm will never hire him, except maybe out of pity to clean the toilets in the executive bathroom because they knew his dad once.
He's retired, you halfwit. |
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trexinatux
Bipedal Carnivore Club
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:18:00 -
[2481] - Quote
I wonder if CCP is mulling over the idea of cancelling the CSM as a whole or not. I'm sure they wouldn't want a scandal like this to hit them from some other random CSM member in the future. We live in interesting times. Helpless people on subway trains... |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
262
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:18:00 -
[2482] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote: In this day and age you have to think carefully before posting anything like this or doing it infront of a camera drunk or not.
The simple fact is, this video will be tied in to google searches of Alex's name forever. If you were a technically savvy employer, would YOU hire this guy after seeing the video? A law firm will never hire him, except maybe out of pity to clean the toilets in the executive bathroom because they knew his dad once. He's retired, you halfwit.
I agree. He is now, and probably for good, unless you count flipping burgers. Actually they're pretty exclusive now days.  http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:18:00 -
[2483] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: The threat of violence still counts legally in most places mate.
This was a very clear Threat.
Violence? Did he send out an address of the guy himself?
Also...Terrorism Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Chokichi Ozuwara
Lucky Dragon Convenience
33
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:19:00 -
[2484] - Quote
Major Spag wrote:Seriously, if you honestly cared enough about this player, you should have spent the last year since the incident coaching him and convincing him to seek medical help. Tu quoque is a fallacy son.
Major Spag wrote:Good job caring only when it is popular to do so. How do you know that is what happened? Can you read minds?
Major Spag wrote:I hope whichever internet girl friend you have is truly impressed over your sudden concern for someone who is so terribly mentally handicapped as to contemplate suicide over an effing video game! I want you to be my internet girlfriend. Five dollah, make you holla!
Major Spag wrote:You win the internet by caring only because it was mentioned in a drunk fueled power point presentation. YAY! I win internet!
Start a corp and do it yourself. You'll fail, but you'll enjoy failing. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:20:00 -
[2485] - Quote
You know what? Im tired of this bullshit, from both sides. Lets just lock these threads, lock any new ones that pop up, and let the matter die while CCP conduct their investigation. Every arguement had been made by page 20, the last 100 pages is just repeats of those points, and if left alive, this thread will spawn another 100 pages of the same opinions. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:21:00 -
[2486] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote: In this day and age you have to think carefully before posting anything like this or doing it infront of a camera drunk or not.
The simple fact is, this video will be tied in to google searches of Alex's name forever. If you were a technically savvy employer, would YOU hire this guy after seeing the video? A law firm will never hire him, except maybe out of pity to clean the toilets in the executive bathroom because they knew his dad once. He's retired, you halfwit. I agree. He is now, and probably for good, unless you count flipping burgers. Actually they're pretty exclusive now days.  He has more money saved up from his career than you will ever earn in your entire life, pre tax. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
314
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:22:00 -
[2487] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Of course, it's that or Mittens made a godawful joke that nobody listening took seriously until some publord who fell asleep halfway through reading a Cliff's Notes of The Prince decided to use this to get Mittens removed from either the CSM or from the game entirely.
That's just silly though because GOONIES Of course, if goons (as a group) didn't work so hard to establish and maintain a "less than savory" reputation this wouldn't be nearly as big.
Ice Interdiction may have helped too...
FWIW - I believe him when (alex) apologizes. "The Mittani" would never apologize... I think that is the distinction people are failing to make.
vOv
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
91
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:22:00 -
[2488] - Quote
Mittani encouraging thousands of people to mock a suicidal person doesn't seem to be a big deal to many people. That is sick. What he did cannot be covered up by him making an apology to try to pretend like he cares or has remorse for what he did. Mittani needs to resign from the CSM entirely, he has caused enough damage as it is, no need to continue onwards in his sick and sadistic path. Mittani's only way to make amends for what he did would be to resign from the CSM and to biomass his character. |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
262
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:23:00 -
[2489] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:CCP have mercy on The Mittani and lock the threads for the love of CHRIST!
Do your part and stop posting?
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:24:00 -
[2490] - Quote
Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior... |
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
266
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:26:00 -
[2491] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Of course, it's that or Mittens made a godawful joke that nobody listening took seriously until some publord who fell asleep halfway through reading a Cliff's Notes of The Prince decided to use this to get Mittens removed from either the CSM or from the game entirely.
That's just silly though because GOONIES Of course, if goons (as a group) didn't work so hard to establish and maintain a "less than savory" reputation this wouldn't be nearly as big. Ice Interdiction may have helped too... FWIW - I believe him when (alex) apologizes. "The Mittani" would never apologize... I think that is the distinction people are failing to make. vOv
Would The Mittani ever give 6 bill to a miner out of his personal wallet? Or was that Alex? People are failing to make the distinction because HE has failed to make the distinction on forums, podcasts, and now on a live feed at Fanfest. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:26:00 -
[2492] - Quote
Mistress Lilu wrote:Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior... By that definition, you are guilty of cyber bullying the mittani.
You should be ashamed of yourself, all of you. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
311
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:26:00 -
[2493] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
No idea who wrote this, but they are talking crap. Mittens was ASKED by some dude for the name, having mocked the tears of an anonymous miner - one of several, his presentation was a collection of tears - and said '"IF you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is The Wis" (Mittens then spelt the name out a few times) Notice how he did not order anyone to harrass this guy at all? People are just jumping on the bandwagon without knowing what actually went on. Sure, Mittens was a tool, an inibriated tool, but he is not guiltly of cyberbullying or whatever other charge people are labelling him with.
GǣIncidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.Gǥ
This is the part that is mysteriously skipping on the YT vid.
then
GÇ£ItGÇÖs pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel GÇô it always has been, if youGÇÖve been to one.
Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.GÇ¥
http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/ |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
311
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:28:00 -
[2494] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Mistress Lilu wrote:Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior... By that definition, you are guilty of cyber bullying the mittani. You should be ashamed of yourself, all of you.
None of us are being hostile.
Asking for a public person to step down from the CSM is not hostile. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:29:00 -
[2495] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
No idea who wrote this, but they are talking crap. Mittens was ASKED by some dude for the name, having mocked the tears of an anonymous miner - one of several, his presentation was a collection of tears - and said '"IF you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is The Wis" (Mittens then spelt the name out a few times) Notice how he did not order anyone to harrass this guy at all? People are just jumping on the bandwagon without knowing what actually went on. Sure, Mittens was a tool, an inibriated tool, but he is not guiltly of cyberbullying or whatever other charge people are labelling him with. GÇ£Incidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.GÇ¥This is the part that is mysteriously skipping on the YT vid. then GÇ£ItGÇÖs pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel GÇô it always has been, if youGÇÖve been to one.
Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.GÇ¥http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/
If he had actually said something along the lines of "Go spam this guy until he commits suicide, here is his address and real life name, I command you all to harrass this man" then I would agree with you guys completely. But he didnt. He said "IF you do want to make that guy kill himself..." There is a world of difference between telling a room full of people to go harrass someone, and providing the name of a guy to another dude who was asking for the name. Just saying. |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
266
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:29:00 -
[2496] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote: He has more money saved up from his career than you will ever earn in your entire life, pre tax.
Proof or gtfo?
Oh wait, you know nothing about my real life or earnings whatsoever, so that would be impossible. Derp. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:30:00 -
[2497] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Mistress Lilu wrote:Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior... By that definition, you are guilty of cyber bullying the mittani. You should be ashamed of yourself, all of you. None of us are being hostile. Asking for a public person to step down from the CSM is not hostile. Some of the posts on here are pretty hostile... maybe not those made by you, but by the 'crucify mittens' crowd. |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
93
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:30:00 -
[2498] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Mistress Lilu wrote:Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior... By that definition, you are guilty of cyber bullying the mittani. You should be ashamed of yourself, all of you. None of us are being hostile. Asking for a public person to step down from the CSM is not hostile. CCP's best option to save themselves one hell of a PR nightmare would be to ask Mittens to resign from the CSM in it's entirety. He's got to go, there is no way around it. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:31:00 -
[2499] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote: He has more money saved up from his career than you will ever earn in your entire life, pre tax.
Proof or gtfo? Oh wait, you know nothing about my real life or earnings whatsoever, so that would be impossible. Derp. Youre right, I dont know anything about your real life earnings. I know mittens is set for life though, so your repeated burger flipping and future career comments are still incorrect and irrelevant. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
311
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:31:00 -
[2500] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Mistress Lilu wrote:Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior... By that definition, you are guilty of cyber bullying the mittani. You should be ashamed of yourself, all of you. None of us are being hostile. Asking for a public person to step down from the CSM is not hostile. Some of the posts on here are pretty hostile... maybe not those made by you, but by the 'crucify mittens' crowd.
So cut the generalizations crap out. And name names if thats the case.
Not asking much here.
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Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
[2501] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote: In this day and age you have to think carefully before posting anything like this or doing it infront of a camera drunk or not.
The simple fact is, this video will be tied in to google searches of Alex's name forever. If you were a technically savvy employer, would YOU hire this guy after seeing the video? A law firm will never hire him, except maybe out of pity to clean the toilets in the executive bathroom because they knew his dad once. He's retired, you halfwit.
Retirement suggests having worked a majority of your life. NOT to be confused with oh well **** it my dads rich I dont have to work... Dont know the guy and couldnt care less but I'm pretty sure he hasnt worked 50+ years. How old is he btw I didnt have the HD stream but he didnt look quite 65  I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
[2502] - Quote
trexinatux wrote:I wonder if CCP is mulling over the idea of cancelling the CSM as a whole or not. I'm sure they wouldn't want a scandal like this to hit them from some other random CSM member in the future. We live in interesting times.
No way the CSM would be cancelled. The group itself is a functioning medium. What would be expected is that in any NDA or contract agreements will be a clause regarding public behavior regarding eve related matters, if it isn't there already.
As for RougeOperator and the youtube vid. It wasn't skipping yesterday at that point, though the vid steadily was choppy on the one I watched. Might be the site sensoring, or who knows. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
311
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:33:00 -
[2503] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
No idea who wrote this, but they are talking crap. Mittens was ASKED by some dude for the name, having mocked the tears of an anonymous miner - one of several, his presentation was a collection of tears - and said '"IF you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is The Wis" (Mittens then spelt the name out a few times) Notice how he did not order anyone to harrass this guy at all? People are just jumping on the bandwagon without knowing what actually went on. Sure, Mittens was a tool, an inibriated tool, but he is not guiltly of cyberbullying or whatever other charge people are labelling him with. GÇ£Incidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.GÇ¥This is the part that is mysteriously skipping on the YT vid. then GÇ£ItGÇÖs pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel GÇô it always has been, if youGÇÖve been to one.
Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.GÇ¥http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/ If he had actually said something along the lines of "Go spam this guy until he commits suicide, here is his address and real life name, I command you all to harrass this man" then I would agree with you guys completely. But he didnt. He said "IF you do want to make that guy kill himself..." There is a world of difference between telling a room full of people to go harrass someone, and providing the name of a guy to another dude who was asking for the name. Just saying.
Yeah its the difference between manslaughter and Murder1/2. But someone is still dead. |

Overseer Aliena
Lord of Wars
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:33:00 -
[2504] - Quote
It would be nice if we could get a real lawyer to talk about the cyber bully law rather than the hordes of internet lawyers who got their degree from wikipedia. Maybe we should ask a real lawyer, like Mittani or something. |

Jita Alt666
962
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:33:00 -
[2505] - Quote
Keep posting guys. This thread is catching the WIS thread with superfluous ease. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:36:00 -
[2506] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Keep posting guys. This thread is catching the WIS thread with superfluous ease. This thread is embarrassingly slow - lord mittens apology is already a dozen pages longer. |

Jita Alt666
963
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:38:00 -
[2507] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Keep posting guys. This thread is catching the WIS thread with superfluous ease. This thread is embarrassingly slow - lord mittens apology is already a dozen pages longer.
That is a demonstration of the pulling power of mittens. I'd rather post in a mittens thread than a random NPC alt thread...
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:40:00 -
[2508] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Keep posting guys. This thread is catching the WIS thread with superfluous ease. This thread is embarrassingly slow - lord mittens apology is already a dozen pages longer. That is a demonstration of the pulling power of mittens. I'd rather post in a mittens thread than a random NPC alt thread... Agreed.
^ this post has more content than most of the 'burn mittens' bandwagon posts. |

Inovy Dacella
Proper Villains
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:43:00 -
[2509] - Quote
Nothing can save him from being banned, just read this article and you'll see why. Before he apologized he wrote "deal with it". He did not stop digging even after the scandal. He is totally arrogant and condescending about the whole issue.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/ |

Dismas Ofstedal
Blueprint Haus Get Off My Lawn
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:44:00 -
[2510] - Quote
Norian Lonark wrote:Having watched the video (didn't watch it at the time but with all these comments decided to watch it) I personally feel like the comments and impact are being blown out of proportion.
I think most people who have ever experienced depression or known someone who suffers depression know that other peoples comments don't really make any difference, positive or negative that is what makes it so hard for families and friends because they are powerless to help. The individual has to work it out for themselves.
This is a game and if your getting that worked up about it, its not really fair to hold someone else responsible for it. If I lose a ship or blow someone else's ship up playing a game and they get upset about it should I expect to become responsible for the life of that person in RL?
If someone is feeling that bad in RL they need to take responsibility and go and seek professional help for their own well-being, their family and their friends you cant blame people who you have never met playing an internet spaceship game.
Finally found a post with something to say.
IF, and I repeat, IF Wis is that caught up with depression to the point that he would express suicidal thoughts in public, he should immediately stop playing a heartless, hard knocks game, and seek professional help.
If he's just trolling, then he needs to STFU. There are many other people struggling with RL issues that don't whine about it. |
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Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
324
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:47:00 -
[2511] - Quote
There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums.
Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is.
The GOONS might not be the most popular group of players around so it comes to reason that you will see these post flying around attacking Mittani like this. I am not a fan either, but i will not stoop so low as the a certain group of players have on these forums. From most of the threads and post it seems majority of people are alts and Carebears. Carebears, as much as they complain about shyte that involves them, here it seems they are also the most vindictive and spitefull group of players I have ever seen, good job.
You guys are saying Mittani are doing the game alot of damage after his comments? Your actions right now is doing alot more damage than Mittani has in not allowing CCP to deal with it on their own. Stop your self imposed entitlement and let those that have the power to deal with it ,deal with it.
I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |

Trask II
Hard Knocks Inc.
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:48:00 -
[2512] - Quote
Quote:Off with his head. Its one thing to troll in game, but it is another thing to take eve into RL and troll in real life.
Definition for cyber bullying: Web definitions: Cyberbullying "involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior...
Also, by that definition, Mittens is not guilty of bullying. Idiots like you make it sound like he was convoing this guy all day, posting on his facebook, etc, encouraging him to commit suicide. Making one offhand comment, no matter how offensive you might find it, is not cyberbullying, or any other kind of bullying. Blowing peoples' **** up in Eve is not bullying, no matter how much or how often you do it. You don't like it, go play something else.
Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves and everyone else, for no reason aside from whipping up an ignorant mob to cry for Mittani to be punished, and probably only because they hate him and the Goons. I wouldn't **** on people like that if they were on fire. I can't believe he even felt it necessary to make an apology. You people don't deserve an apology from anyone but your parents and God, for your fail DNA. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
496
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:48:00 -
[2513] - Quote
You mean the scandal that didn't erupt until the fat ******** pubbies and LEETPVP alts realized that Mittani had, gasp, won again? |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:49:00 -
[2514] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums.
Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is.
The GOONS might not be the most popular group of players around so it comes to reason that you will see these post flying around attacking Mittani like this. I am not a fan either, but i will not stoop so low as the a certain group of players have on these forums. From most of the threads and post it seems majority of people are alts and Carebears. Carebears, as much as they complain about shyte that involves them, here it seems they are also the most vindictive and spitefull group of players I have ever seen, good job.
You guys are saying Mittani are doing the game alot of damage after his comments? Your actions right now is doing alot more damage than Mittani has in not allowing CCP to deal with it on their own. Stop your self imposed entitlement and let those that have the power to deal with it ,deal with it.
Amen to that. |

Rutherford Rainman
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:50:00 -
[2515] - Quote
I don't understand how this is taking so long to resolve what should be a simple issue. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:51:00 -
[2516] - Quote
Dismas Ofstedal wrote:Norian Lonark wrote:Having watched the video (didn't watch it at the time but with all these comments decided to watch it) I personally feel like the comments and impact are being blown out of proportion.
I think most people who have ever experienced depression or known someone who suffers depression know that other peoples comments don't really make any difference, positive or negative that is what makes it so hard for families and friends because they are powerless to help. The individual has to work it out for themselves.
This is a game and if your getting that worked up about it, its not really fair to hold someone else responsible for it. If I lose a ship or blow someone else's ship up playing a game and they get upset about it should I expect to become responsible for the life of that person in RL?
If someone is feeling that bad in RL they need to take responsibility and go and seek professional help for their own well-being, their family and their friends you cant blame people who you have never met playing an internet spaceship game. Finally found a post with something to say. IF, and I repeat, IF Wis is that caught up with depression to the point that he would express suicidal thoughts in public, he should immediately stop playing a heartless, hard knocks game, and seek professional help. If he's just trolling, then he needs to STFU. There are many other people struggling with RL issues that don't whine about it. Amen to this too. Having been in a fairly similar situation to what Wis claims to be going through a few years ago, I am extremely cynical when it comes to his claims of 'depression' and 'suicidal thoughts'. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
312
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:52:00 -
[2517] - Quote
Xython wrote:You mean the scandal that didn't erupt until the fat ******** pubbies and LEETPVP alts realized that Mittani had, gasp, won again?
He didnt do it until the end of fanfest you noob.
How are we supposed to react before he sends harassment horde after a guy to kill him.
Are you from the future? |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:52:00 -
[2518] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums.
Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is.
Yes and no.
As I have said there is no need for him to be publicly hanged, drawn and quarterd, they do however need to say they are looking into it and will come to a decison when they have finished.
However what they do is none of our concern and our opinions on what should happen are irrelevant. People only have to know that if it is needed something will be done that is it. Justice only needs to be done it does not need to be seen to be done as then it becomes more about revenge than justice. |

Kairos Antilles
United Systems Nautical Service
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:53:00 -
[2519] - Quote
Karadion wrote:For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day.
sociopath: a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
Any questions? |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:53:00 -
[2520] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:He didnt do it until the end of fanfest you noob.
How are we supposed to react before he sends harassment horde after a guy to kill him.
Are you from the future?
The alliance presentation (where he said DOSE MEAN THINGS!!!) was on Friday Election results Saturday Dramabomb about this all Sunday/Monday
DERP DERP DERP I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M ACTUALLY USPET ABOUT ANYMORE MITTANI MUST GO |
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Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:55:00 -
[2521] - Quote
Rutherford Rainman wrote:I don't understand how this is taking so long to resolve what should be a simple issue.
Because what we see as simple may not actually be so. We have no idea what extra things a CSM or someone invited to speak at the event have to agree to. As such it could be alittle more complicated than we think.
Also there is the being stuck between arock and ahrd place at the moment. Temps are running a tad too high for them to make a decision that would not blow up one way or the other. It is better to look at it rationally as opposed to knee jerking to "public outcry" which makes for bad decision, game rule changes and yes even law. |

Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
325
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:55:00 -
[2522] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums.
Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is. Yes and no. As I have said there is no need for him to be publicly hanged, drawn and quarterd, they do however need to say they are looking into it and will come to a decison when they have finished. However what they do is none of our concern and our opinions on what should happen are irrelevant. People only have to know that if it is needed something will be done that is it. Justice only needs to be done it does not need to be seen to be done as then it becomes more about revenge than justice.
Quoting a specific part of my post, makes what I said in a whole irrelevent. Don't do that. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:58:00 -
[2523] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Xython wrote:You mean the scandal that didn't erupt until the fat ******** pubbies and LEETPVP alts realized that Mittani had, gasp, won again? He didnt do it until the end of fanfest you noob. How are we supposed to react before he sends harassment horde after a guy to kill him. Are you from the future? *sigh*
Have you actually seen the footage from friday, or are you just jumping on the bandwagon with everyone else? |

Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
325
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:58:00 -
[2524] - Quote
In short.. My post said.
You ******* People should be ashamed of yourself at the way your dealing with this. This coming from sober people. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 23:02:00 -
[2525] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:Quoting a specific part of my post, makes what I said in a whole irrelevent. Don't do that.
Then I appologise for my actions.
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low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 23:06:00 -
[2526] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums.
Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is.
The GOONS might not be the most popular group of players around so it comes to reason that you will see these post flying around attacking Mittani like this. I am not a fan either, but i will not stoop so low as the a certain group of players have on these forums. From most of the threads and post it seems majority of people are alts and Carebears. Carebears, as much as they complain about shyte that involves them, here it seems they are also the most vindictive and spitefull group of players I have ever seen, good job.
You guys are saying Mittani are doing the game alot of damage after his comments? Your actions right now is doing alot more damage than Mittani has in not allowing CCP to deal with it on their own. Stop your self imposed entitlement and let those that have the power to deal with it ,deal with it.
I am a paying member of this game and as that I have every right to post my opinions here. And If I do not want to be represented by a complete asshat I have every right to tell CCP that.
I disagree that discourse on the forums against what was a stupid act is somehow as demeaning to this game as what Mittens did. What comes around goes around and this time the Goons trolling bit them in the ass . All the Goon alts running interference for him won't change what happened. ~Deal with that~ |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 23:14:00 -
[2527] - Quote
Mittens, get drunk and make another public speech. You might as well just keep doing what you've been doing, since you cannot escape from this anyways. |

Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
325
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 23:14:00 -
[2528] - Quote
low26 wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums.
Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is.
The GOONS might not be the most popular group of players around so it comes to reason that you will see these post flying around attacking Mittani like this. I am not a fan either, but i will not stoop so low as the a certain group of players have on these forums. From most of the threads and post it seems majority of people are alts and Carebears. Carebears, as much as they complain about shyte that involves them, here it seems they are also the most vindictive and spitefull group of players I have ever seen, good job.
You guys are saying Mittani are doing the game alot of damage after his comments? Your actions right now is doing alot more damage than Mittani has in not allowing CCP to deal with it on their own. Stop your self imposed entitlement and let those that have the power to deal with it ,deal with it.
I am a paying member of this game and as that I have every right to post my opinions here. And If I do not want to be represented by a complete asshat I have every right to tell CCP that. I disagree that discourse on the forums against what was a stupid act is somehow as demeaning to this game as what Mittens did. What comes around goes around and this time the Goons trolling bit them in the ass . All the Goon alts running interference for him won't change what happened. ~Deal with that~
I'm al for voicing my concerns if I have an issue. But people took it to far, now they are the proverbial MOB with torches and pitchforks. That's the issue I have. Any sensible arguement somebody might have will be drowned in a sea of hatred of those that only care about mob justice... (see what I did there?) I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |

Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:16:00 -
[2529] - Quote
As I stated earlier, CCP should suspend The Mittani, Pending the outcome of this investigation. And no CCP changing your titan nerf plans isn't going to sidetrack this issue. |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:18:00 -
[2530] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
Don't suppose you happen to have a tally sheet of all the goons who have attacked him since the quote do you? I imagine Mittens called them off when he because scared about losing his CSM position. But why don't you, like a good Goonie, lie about how you wouldn't have harassed him.......... Lie about why your aren't now. You know, cause it would be bad for Mittens. Please, by all means, continue the shameless lies. So, by your own admission no goon actually fulfilled this 'cyber bullying attack', which logically means that the attack never really took place. Or are we going by Minority Report standards? Also, I don't suppose you happen to have proof that I'm a goon do you, or is this just another error on your part?
Actually The Wiz reported that Goonies had set up in his system.
And your "logic" is wrong.
The threat was real and nobody here, especially you, shameless liar, believes Mittens and his goonies weren't going to grief this guy. That you backed off cause someone threatened you doesn't make you nice. Technically, it makes you cowards.
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:19:00 -
[2531] - Quote
As if nerfing titans has anything to do with Mittani encouraging thousands of people to mock a suicidal person. Mitten's damage control apology wont save him. |

Jita Alt666
966
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:20:00 -
[2532] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote: what I said in a whole irrelevent.
You said it.
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:22:00 -
[2533] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote: He has more money saved up from his career than you will ever earn in your entire life, pre tax.
Proof or gtfo? Oh wait, you know nothing about my real life or earnings whatsoever, so that would be impossible. Derp. Youre right, I dont know anything about your real life earnings. I know mittens is set for life though, so your repeated burger flipping and future career comments are still incorrect and irrelevant.
So if Mittens is "set for life" I guess that makes the "10 billion ISK" a pathetic and meaningless as I said it was.
(Less than 200 hundred dollars) |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
183
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 23:22:00 -
[2534] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Actually The Wiz reported that Goonies had set up in his system.
Wis is an ICE MINER, the real miracle is that goons weren't already set up in his system. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
419
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:27:00 -
[2535] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:All you "Cyberbullying" ninnies, get your terminology strait. From http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html : "Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.These are grown-ass men. It's not cyberbullying.
Which makes it harassment, which is serious ******* business (not that cyber bullying isn't). Its a criminal charge. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:28:00 -
[2536] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Actually The Wiz reported that Goonies had set up in his system. Wis is an ICE MINER, the real miracle is that goons weren't already set up in his system.
Shameless. Completely and totally shameless liars.
You Null Bears are such a waste of space in EvE.
All the shinies given to you. Free to wander around in your safe little Null Lair and make 10x what ordinary players make.
Yet you still whine that you can be War Dec'd by corporations one hundredth your size and griefed.
Whiny, but mean. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
419
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 23:30:00 -
[2537] - Quote
Xython wrote:You mean the scandal that didn't erupt until the fat ******** pubbies and LEETPVP alts realized that Mittani had, gasp, won again?
If you consider what mittens did "winning" you are losing at life. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:34:00 -
[2538] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:[If you consider what mittens did "winning" you are losing at life.
"won" refers to him winning the CSM chair by a landslide, which coincidentally (lol) is the main thing separating his idiotic joke and the days-late faux outrage. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
314
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 23:40:00 -
[2539] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:I'm al for voicing my concerns if I have an issue. But people took it to far, now they are the proverbial MOB with torches and pitchforks.
THE MOB RULES!
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
420
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:41:00 -
[2540] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:[If you consider what mittens did "winning" you are losing at life. "won" refers to him winning the CSM chair by a landslide, which coincidentally (lol) is the main thing separating his idiotic joke and the days-late faux outrage.
Who was that guy that was voted Time magazine "Man of the Year" in 1938 again?
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
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Lomarro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:47:00 -
[2541] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:[If you consider what mittens did "winning" you are losing at life. "won" refers to him winning the CSM chair by a landslide, which coincidentally (lol) is the main thing separating his idiotic joke and the days-late faux outrage. Who was that guy that was voted Time magazine "Man of the Year" in 1938 again?
and that was totally serious and not sarcastic |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:50:00 -
[2542] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Who was that guy that was voted Time magazine "Man of the Year" in 1938 again?
You really could have just Godwin'd yourself early on and saved yourself the trouble. Why wait this long? |

Kosh Seere
Dissonance Corp BLACK-MARK
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:53:00 -
[2543] - Quote
You should all go kill yourself. |

Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:00:00 -
[2544] - Quote
Overseer Aliena wrote:It would be nice if we could get a real lawyer to talk about the cyber bully law rather than the hordes of internet lawyers who got their degree from wikipedia. Maybe we should ask a real lawyer, like Mittani or something.
laws depends on where you live/visit etc |

a newbie
tech-legion AAA Citizens
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:08:00 -
[2545] - Quote
To be honest, I would be hesitant to take such a stand for risk of making judgements without properly thinking about the situation. This is something that has been blown out of proportion but yes does not reflect the best of EVE players. However it reflects simply the reality.
I have seen plenty of "lovemails" from many pilots by other pilots and so on. To be blunt every game that exists has a high likelyhood that someone, at least one individual somewhere, views that game as their sole reason for living. I have seen a 48 year old say the same thing about UO when he had a beautiful 4 yr old daughter who loved him.
Yes he made the mistake in my opinion of stating the individuals name. Outside of that he made no direct statement to encourage him to commit suicide that I could hear in that entire alliance panel. I heard him state his eve character name, and said something to the effect of find him.
The rules of the game are simple, undock in any space, and you are a potential target. People play the game the way they want to, then send these evemails of anger, pain, plight, and all sorts of emo rage mails against the person who upset their reality.
The other problem exists that the player is only subjected to any possible 'attacks' by only means of logging into the game. He gave no personal identifying information of the person other than his characters name.
Also keep in mind The Mittani was elected by players to represent them and their play style. If you are in a PVP corp you know how many crymails or lovemails float about the eve universe and all sorts of crazy stories and pleads by the victims to give them something for their own neglegence.
I can also contest to the fact that if you are familiar with lovemail chains, those that continue over multiple replies, the victim will often result to saying an ever changing plethora of escalating reasons they should receive charity from the aggressors.
All the above doesn't excuse giving his name, but the "victim" in this case is only subjected to that he choses of his own volition.
So take the tone down a notch, keep the same request, but keep your dignity and dont sound like so many media personalities who cry havoc before all the facts are in.
******** EDIT BELOW **********
Maybe the Mittani should have informed CCP about the player who claimed suicidal thoughts.
The police would have heard about it through the chain of staff then their local police department, they would go and pick the guy/girl up and put them in as a section 13 (monitored hospice) and it would have been a much better TR0LL! |

Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:27:00 -
[2546] - Quote
Why does everyone hate Goonies? It's my all time favorite movie! Look one eyed willy, there goes mittens. You remember...you two were real close in college, all those frat parties...But seriously I hear ya mittens, no fat chicks! just chicks with diks!!! Personally I dont mind fat chicks, requires a little effort to get it in tho I'm sure some guys cant quite reach. Some guys prefer other guys thats cool bro I'm not racist. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
315
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:28:00 -
[2547] - Quote
a newbie wrote:To be honest, I would be hesitant to take such a stand for risk of making judgements without properly thinking about the situation. This is something that has been blown out of proportion but yes does not reflect the best of EVE players. However it reflects simply the reality.
I have seen plenty of "lovemails" from many pilots by other pilots and so on. To be blunt every game that exists has a high likelyhood that someone, at least one individual somewhere, views that game as their sole reason for living. I have seen a 48 year old say the same thing about UO when he had a beautiful 4 yr old daughter who loved him.
Yes he made the mistake in my opinion of stating the individuals name. Outside of that he made no direct statement to encourage him to commit suicide that I could hear in that entire alliance panel. I heard him state his eve character name, and said something to the effect of find him.
The rules of the game are simple, undock in any space, and you are a potential target. People play the game the way they want to, then send these evemails of anger, pain, plight, and all sorts of emo rage mails against the person who upset their reality.
The other problem exists that the player is only subjected to any possible 'attacks' by only means of logging into the game. He gave no personal identifying information of the person other than his characters name.
Also keep in mind The Mittani was elected by players to represent them and their play style. If you are in a PVP corp you know how many crymails or lovemails float about the eve universe and all sorts of crazy stories and pleads by the victims to give them something for their own neglegence.
I can also contest to the fact that if you are familiar with lovemail chains, those that continue over multiple replies, the victim will often result to saying an ever changing plethora of escalating reasons they should receive charity from the aggressors.
All the above doesn't excuse giving his name, but the "victim" in this case is only subjected to that he choses of his own volition.
So take the tone down a notch, keep the same request, but keep your dignity and dont sound like so many media personalities who cry havoc before all the facts are in.
******** EDIT BELOW **********
Maybe the Mittani should have informed CCP about the player who claimed suicidal thoughts.
The police would have heard about it through the chain of staff then their local police department, they would go and pick the guy/girl up and put them in as a section 13 (monitored hospice) and it would have been a much better TR0LL! In New York State it's called "941" admission to an ER for an emergency evaluation...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:31:00 -
[2548] - Quote
Mathias Hex wrote:Why does everyone hate Goonies? It's my all time favorite movie! Look one eyed willy, there goes mittens. You remember...you two were real close in college, all those frat parties...But seriously I hear ya mittens, no fat chicks! just chicks with diks!!! Personally I dont mind fat chicks, requires a little effort to get it in tho I'm sure some guys cant quite reach. Some guys prefer other guys thats cool bro I'm not racist.
I would like to apologize for that Ive been running it threw my head all weekend. I am truly sorry for anyone I might have offended. What else do you want me to say? I'm genuinely sory I will never take a booster again for as long as I live! I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:35:00 -
[2549] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Quote:The part where he "repeatedly went after the guy" was when he ordered thousands of Goonies to harass him. I have no idea how even a Goon could be shameless enough to ignore the fact telling thousands of your fellow scum to attack someone is harassment.....
Wow, you guys really are shameless.
No idea who wrote this, but they are talking crap. Mittens was ASKED by some dude for the name, having mocked the tears of an anonymous miner - one of several, his presentation was a collection of tears - and said '"IF you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is The Wis" (Mittens then spelt the name out a few times) Notice how he did not order anyone to harrass this guy at all? People are just jumping on the bandwagon without knowing what actually went on. Sure, Mittens was a tool, an inibriated tool, but he is not guiltly of cyberbullying or whatever other charge people are labelling him with. GÇ£Incidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.GÇ¥This is the part that is mysteriously skipping on the YT vid. then GÇ£ItGÇÖs pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel GÇô it always has been, if youGÇÖve been to one.
Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.GÇ¥http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/ If he had actually said something along the lines of "Go spam this guy until he commits suicide, here is his address and real life name, I command you all to harrass this man" then I would agree with you guys completely. But he didnt. He said "IF you do want to make that guy kill himself..." There is a world of difference between telling a room full of people to go harrass someone, and providing the name of a guy to another dude who was asking for the name. Just saying. Yeah its the difference between manslaughter and Murder1/2. But someone is still dead.
Nobody's dead you shitbeard. |

Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:45:00 -
[2550] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:War Kitten wrote:All you "Cyberbullying" ninnies, get your terminology strait. From http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html : "Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.These are grown-ass men. It's not cyberbullying. Which makes it harassment, which is serious ******* business (not that cyber bullying isn't). Its a criminal charge.
It's not even cyber harassment considering it occurred within the confines of a leisure activity under an role-playing identity and did not infringe on his privacy or encroach his private space.
Also, this is a middle-age person we are talking about not a child at school or even an adult in a professional environment. If you think this is in anyway an actual crime you desperately need to gain some perspective. |
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DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:58:00 -
[2551] - Quote
Frederick Sanger wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:War Kitten wrote:All you "Cyberbullying" ninnies, get your terminology strait. From http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html : "Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.These are grown-ass men. It's not cyberbullying. Which makes it harassment, which is serious ******* business (not that cyber bullying isn't). Its a criminal charge. It's not even cyber harassment considering it occurred within the confines of a leisure activity under an role-playing identity and did not infringe on his privacy or encroach his private space. Also, this is a middle-age person we are talking about not a child at school or even an adult in a professional environment. If you think this is in anyway an actual crime you desperately need to gain some perspective.
Bullying has nothing to do with age, and you can not excuse bullying by being drunk and not in a serious Forum.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
339
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:01:00 -
[2552] - Quote
Frederick Sanger wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:War Kitten wrote:All you "Cyberbullying" ninnies, get your terminology strait. From http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html : "Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.These are grown-ass men. It's not cyberbullying. Which makes it harassment, which is serious ******* business (not that cyber bullying isn't). Its a criminal charge. It's not even cyber harassment considering it occurred within the confines of a leisure activity under an role-playing identity and did not infringe on his privacy or encroach his private space. Also, this is a middle-age person we are talking about not a child at school or even an adult in a professional environment. If you think this is in anyway an actual crime you desperately need to gain some perspective.
I like how none of that is really relevant as to why what Alex dis is reprehensible.
What if it was a 12 year old, or a person that only had good enough hand eye coordination to mine (i know 2 such people that like the game but cant play like a normal person). it doesn't become OK all the sudden cause you learned more about the person.
There in lies the crux of the issue. You dont know enough about the person.
And it was at and out of game even with thousands watching.
With a powerful cult of personality saying go after this person.
He painted a big target on him, the equivalent of dousing him in gasoline. And his followers would have acted on his JOKE. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:22:00 -
[2553] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Frederick Sanger wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:War Kitten wrote:All you "Cyberbullying" ninnies, get your terminology strait. From http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html : "Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.These are grown-ass men. It's not cyberbullying. Which makes it harassment, which is serious ******* business (not that cyber bullying isn't). Its a criminal charge. It's not even cyber harassment considering it occurred within the confines of a leisure activity under an role-playing identity and did not infringe on his privacy or encroach his private space. Also, this is a middle-age person we are talking about not a child at school or even an adult in a professional environment. If you think this is in anyway an actual crime you desperately need to gain some perspective. I like how none of that is really relevant as to why what Alex dis is reprehensible. What if it was a 12 year old.
Stopped reading here. The hypothetical that you pull out of your ass (which you've been doing a lot of) have no bearing on this witch hunt. |

Flamespar
Woof Club
321
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:23:00 -
[2554] - Quote
I think the bottom line is that the Mitanni's attitude has demonstrated that he does not represent EVE players, who as a whole are largely disgusted by his actions. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
343
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:26:00 -
[2555] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Yeah its the difference between manslaughter and Murder1/2. But someone is still dead.
Nobody's dead you shitbeard.[/quote]
Luckily yes, a bullet was dodged cause everyone got on top of this issue ASAP.
Try making a point without swearing.
Might do you some good. |

Lomarro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:30:00 -
[2556] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:
Yeah its the difference between manslaughter and Murder1/2. But someone is still dead.
Nobody's dead you shitbeard.
Luckily yes, a bullet was dodged cause everyone got on top of this issue ASAP.
Try making a point without swearing.
Might do you some good. [/quote]
yeah and it was not you or someone else because everyone was getting the pitchforks
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KanashiiKami
20
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:32:00 -
[2557] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote: In this day and age you have to think carefully before posting anything like this or doing it infront of a camera drunk or not.
The simple fact is, this video will be tied in to google searches of Alex's name forever. If you were a technically savvy employer, would YOU hire this guy after seeing the video? A law firm will never hire him, except maybe out of pity to clean the toilets in the executive bathroom because they knew his dad once. He's retired, you halfwit. I agree. He is now, and probably for good, unless you count flipping burgers. Actually they're pretty exclusive now days.  He has more money saved up from his career than you will ever earn in your entire life, pre tax.
there we have it ... a rich bully? is that what you are saying he is?
bravo ... all the more ... perma ban. i for 1 do not need a bad mannered rich elitists jerk that will impose strange suicidal ideas on the handicapped. PERMA BAN ! WUT ??? |

Lomarro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 01:34:00 -
[2558] - Quote
so basically you are poor and hate everyone with more money how about getting a job? |

Funkert
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:37:00 -
[2559] - Quote
FIND AND KILL THE 1% (ingame) |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
33
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 02:00:00 -
[2560] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:there we have it ... a rich bully? is that what you are saying he is?
bravo ... all the more ... perma ban. i for 1 do not need a bad mannered rich elitists jerk that will impose strange suicidal ideas on the handicapped. PERMA BAN !
What you need is a goddamn English tutor, holy ****. |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
33
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 02:01:00 -
[2561] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:
Yeah its the difference between manslaughter and Murder1/2. But someone is still dead.
Nobody's dead you shitbeard.
Luckily yes, a bullet was dodged cause everyone got on top of this issue ASAP.
Try making a point without swearing.
Might do you some good. [/quote]
No they didn't. This **** didn't break until days later. Try making a point with facts. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
347
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:06:00 -
[2562] - Quote
Lomarro wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:
Yeah its the difference between manslaughter and Murder1/2. But someone is still dead.
Nobody's dead you shitbeard. Luckily yes, a bullet was dodged cause everyone got on top of this issue ASAP. Try making a point without swearing. Might do you some good.
yeah and it was not you or someone else because everyone was getting the pitchforks [/quote]
I believe he needs to step down from the CSM as was his original 3 point plan. If he does not he has no good faith left and the CSM becomes a sham.
Thats what i have asked for. Its the bare minimum that must happen for this to be taken seriously. A wishy washy apology that comes off as just trying to keep his CSM spot is an insult.
What he did warrants a punishment with teeth. Real justice.
How is it that you can characterize me as a person with a pitchfork for that? |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
35
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:08:00 -
[2563] - Quote
I just delved into your twitter feed. You are an angry little midget. |

Darc Kaahar
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
16
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 02:16:00 -
[2564] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:I just delved into your twitter feed. You are an angry little midget.
You have no idea.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
347
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 02:17:00 -
[2565] - Quote
Darc Kaahar wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:I just delved into your twitter feed. You are an angry little midget. You have no idea.
SHHHHhhhhhhh
|

Lord Czar
Deadly Impact Tus Network
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 02:21:00 -
[2566] - Quote
http://www.joystiq.com/2005/11/18/parents-suing-blizzard-for-world-of-warcraft-addiction/ |

space gator
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 02:23:00 -
[2567] - Quote
"The Wis" is currently being interviewed on Eve-Radio.com at the time of this post. |

Mr M
Agony Unleashed
152
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 02:23:00 -
[2568] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:The alliance presentation (where he said DOSE MEAN THINGS!!!) was on Friday Election results Saturday Dramabomb about this all Sunday/Monday
DERP DERP DERP I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M ACTUALLY USPET ABOUT ANYMORE MITTANI MUST GO I didn't say anything for a couple of days because I was so drunk :mittani:
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Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
45
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 02:25:00 -
[2569] - Quote
Mr M wrote:Snow Axe wrote:The alliance presentation (where he said DOSE MEAN THINGS!!!) was on Friday Election results Saturday Dramabomb about this all Sunday/Monday
DERP DERP DERP I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M ACTUALLY USPET ABOUT ANYMORE MITTANI MUST GO I didn't say anything for a couple of days because I was so drunk :mittani:
|

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
349
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:03:00 -
[2570] - Quote
Mr M wrote:Snow Axe wrote:The alliance presentation (where he said DOSE MEAN THINGS!!!) was on Friday Election results Saturday Dramabomb about this all Sunday/Monday
DERP DERP DERP I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M ACTUALLY USPET ABOUT ANYMORE MITTANI MUST GO I didn't say anything for a couple of days because I was so drunk :mittani:
Yeah, the goons did a huge amount of damage to the mittani in this. Let alone what he did on his own. |
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Jaqa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:06:00 -
[2571] - Quote
For those just tuning in, allow me to catch you up to speed: A drunk Goon said something offensive. Drunk Goon something offensive Goon thing offensive Goon
Ta da! The Original Jaqalope Pilot of the Transportosaurus Rex 100% Free Range |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:09:00 -
[2572] - Quote
Mr M wrote:Snow Axe wrote:The alliance presentation (where he said DOSE MEAN THINGS!!!) was on Friday Election results Saturday Dramabomb about this all Sunday/Monday
DERP DERP DERP I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M ACTUALLY USPET ABOUT ANYMORE MITTANI MUST GO I didn't say anything for a couple of days because I was so drunk :mittani:
Or, you know, traveling from Iceland to the states. |

KanashiiKami
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:16:00 -
[2573] - Quote
i must say, he did turn CSM7 into a presentation of how elite he is in getting off other players tears, AND in the middle of it i believe he said something like "this is the CCP approved method of presentation" (being swearing, drinking beer and emphasizing how good it was to humiliate other players, etc). it becomes as if EVE is just a playerbase for him to "farm" tears off other players and then humiliate them at CSM7?... i wonder does he play DOTA, LoL, etc games and actually does the same thing like **** on the opponents heads when they lose? so if he is an athlete, he will finish a 100m race go over all his opponents n smear some of his ass on them? that a nice formula i believe CCP likes huh?
he also said he didnt know if that guy died because of what he did ... of course he went on to elaborate how "expertly" his men killed off his mackinaws. he said some kind of disclaimer, but the fact is, i do not think the crowd laughed very loudly at that because those who are really listening to the crap understood and kept themselves from laughing. and from the HD video, he also said he wasnt drunk enough for the presentation, so i wonder why he said he was drunk when he issued an apology. true enough the part about the suicidal player may have been a small part of the whole hour long speech which started well and ended up in the ceiling fan with streaks of **** on it... still if you listen at what he said about the man and how he jokes about it... i am very sure there is nothing to it about promoting good gaming culture, it promotes that you can demean another player in however style you want it, just because you are a goon (he calls the person who killed off all his macks a hero), it promotes that u can get drunk and get away with anything, you can swear it off in anyway, and because he is CSM7, he gets to break it out at fanfest and make it appear to be the coolest thing a CSM rep can do.
i agree with alot of the comments in the youtube/forums that he just threw **** at the fan dirtied himself and CCP and no amount of apology will make it right.
perma ban ! WUT ??? |

Logix42
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
43
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:16:00 -
[2574] - Quote
wow way to get Fanfest some bad press... Accelerate your particles out of my system immediately! |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:19:00 -
[2575] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:i must say, he did turn CSM7 into a presentation of how elite he is in getting off other players tears, AND in the middle of it i believe he said something like "this is the CCP approved method of presentation" (being swearing, drinking beer and emphasizing how good it was to humiliate other players, etc). it becomes as if EVE is just a playerbase for him to "farm" tears off other players and then humiliate them at CSM7?... i wonder does he play DOTA, LoL, etc games and actually does the same thing like **** on the opponents heads when they lose? so if he is an athlete, he will finish a 100m race go over all his opponents n smear some of his ass on them? that a nice formula i believe CCP likes huh?
he also said he didnt know if that guy died because of what he did ... of course he went on to elaborate how "expertly" his men killed off his mackinaws. he said some kind of disclaimer, but the fact is, i do not think the crowd laughed very loudly at that because those who are really listening to the crap understood and kept themselves from laughing. and from the HD video, he also said he wasnt drunk enough for the presentation, so i wonder why he said he was drunk when he issued an apology. true enough the part about the suicidal player may have been a small part of the whole hour long speech which started well and ended up in the ceiling fan with streaks of **** on it... still if you listen at what he said about the man and how he jokes about it... i am very sure there is nothing to it about promoting good gaming culture, it promotes that you can demean another player in however style you want it, just because you are a goon (he calls the person who killed off all his macks a hero), it promotes that u can get drunk and get away with anything, you can swear it off in anyway, and because he is CSM7, he gets to break it out at fanfest and make it appear to be the coolest thing a CSM rep can do.
i agree with alot of the comments in the youtube/forums that he just threw **** at the fan dirtied himself and CCP and no amount of apology will make it right.
perma ban !
This is an example of a terrible post. |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
550
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:21:00 -
[2576] - Quote
This idiotic, moronic rhetorical bullshit is indescribable.
The real victims in this are CCP. The human beings that work their ass of for this game. And anyone who keeps flaming this nonsense is a selfish incompetent twit.
This comment from that News update thread sums the situation the best :
Quote:Ok, so MAYBE the Chairman said something inappropriate, therefore an apology should be enough. People do far worse under the influence of drink.
What about the person threatening to harm themselves? Should they be playing a game that features death and conquest? How did the community at large KNOW he was threatening this?
We don't truly know enough or indeed, the full situation to just condemn the Chairman. Sounds like laddish behaviour. Also sounds like a breach of trusted information.
On the other hand, it's a ******* game and he is a chairman of nothing in reality.
Perhaps all parties involved just need to "Man up" and " Get a grip " ?
I don't know, I'm in the middle with this one.
It's the box with the red minus sign below if you're looking for it, as I have held myself back a LOT in this post.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |

KanashiiKami
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:25:00 -
[2577] - Quote
i have to say this again ...
he actually called the goonie who killed off all his mackinaws a hero ... LOL? ... what is this? a hero ?
he made a mockery of himself and the EVE game ... he actually sounded very happy that the macks are killed off, the guy is demeaned publicly ... and he doesnt even care if he actually died ...
cmon CCP ... PERMA BAN !
WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:27:00 -
[2578] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:i must say, he did turn CSM7 into a presentation of how elite he is in getting off other players tears, AND in the middle of it i believe he said something like "this is the CCP approved method of presentation" (being swearing, drinking beer and emphasizing how good it was to humiliate other players, etc). it becomes as if EVE is just a playerbase for him to "farm" tears off other players and then humiliate them at CSM7?... i wonder does he play DOTA, LoL, etc games and actually does the same thing like **** on the opponents heads when they lose? so if he is an athlete, he will finish a 100m race go over all his opponents n smear some of his ass on them? that a nice formula i believe CCP likes huh?
he also said he didnt know if that guy died because of what he did ... of course he went on to elaborate how "expertly" his men killed off his mackinaws. he said some kind of disclaimer, but the fact is, i do not think the crowd laughed very loudly at that because those who are really listening to the crap understood and kept themselves from laughing. and from the HD video, he also said he wasnt drunk enough for the presentation, so i wonder why he said he was drunk when he issued an apology. true enough the part about the suicidal player may have been a small part of the whole hour long speech which started well and ended up in the ceiling fan with streaks of **** on it... still if you listen at what he said about the man and how he jokes about it... i am very sure there is nothing to it about promoting good gaming culture, it promotes that you can demean another player in however style you want it, just because you are a goon (he calls the person who killed off all his macks a hero), it promotes that u can get drunk and get away with anything, you can swear it off in anyway, and because he is CSM7, he gets to break it out at fanfest and make it appear to be the coolest thing a CSM rep can do.
i agree with alot of the comments in the youtube/forums that he just threw **** at the fan dirtied himself and CCP and no amount of apology will make it right.
perma ban ! This is an example of a terrible post.
yea it is a terribad post
but id say again, CCP pls .. PERMA BAN for mittani
WUT ??? |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
551
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:28:00 -
[2579] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:i have to say this again ...
he actually called the goonie who killed off all his mackinaws a hero ... LOL? ... what is this? a hero ?
he made a mockery of himself and the EVE game ... he actually sounded very happy that the macks are killed off, the guy is demeaned publicly ... and he doesnt even care if he actually died ...
cmon CCP ... PERMA BAN !
Hello.
I think your brain came loose from your skull.
Please insert brain into skull, and try again.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |

Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
190
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:29:00 -
[2580] - Quote
I have yet to give my opinion on the actual events. However, to all those who say that that suicidal people don't speak out and just stay quiet, I'll just leave this here. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
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Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:30:00 -
[2581] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:i must say, he did turn CSM7 into a presentation of how elite he is in getting off other players tears, AND in the middle of it i believe he said something like "this is the CCP approved method of presentation" (being swearing, drinking beer and emphasizing how good it was to humiliate other players, etc). it becomes as if EVE is just a playerbase for him to "farm" tears off other players and then humiliate them at CSM7?... i wonder does he play DOTA, LoL, etc games and actually does the same thing like **** on the opponents heads when they lose? so if he is an athlete, he will finish a 100m race go over all his opponents n smear some of his ass on them? that a nice formula i believe CCP likes huh?
he also said he didnt know if that guy died because of what he did ... of course he went on to elaborate how "expertly" his men killed off his mackinaws. he said some kind of disclaimer, but the fact is, i do not think the crowd laughed very loudly at that because those who are really listening to the crap understood and kept themselves from laughing. and from the HD video, he also said he wasnt drunk enough for the presentation, so i wonder why he said he was drunk when he issued an apology. true enough the part about the suicidal player may have been a small part of the whole hour long speech which started well and ended up in the ceiling fan with streaks of **** on it... still if you listen at what he said about the man and how he jokes about it... i am very sure there is nothing to it about promoting good gaming culture, it promotes that you can demean another player in however style you want it, just because you are a goon (he calls the person who killed off all his macks a hero), it promotes that u can get drunk and get away with anything, you can swear it off in anyway, and because he is CSM7, he gets to break it out at fanfest and make it appear to be the coolest thing a CSM rep can do.
i agree with alot of the comments in the youtube/forums that he just threw **** at the fan dirtied himself and CCP and no amount of apology will make it right.
perma ban !
I don't think there's a proper sentence in that entire post. |

KanashiiKami
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:36:00 -
[2582] - Quote
Frederick Sanger wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:i must say, he did turn CSM7 into a presentation of how elite he is in getting off other players tears, AND in the middle of it i believe he said something like "this is the CCP approved method of presentation" (being swearing, drinking beer and emphasizing how good it was to humiliate other players, etc). it becomes as if EVE is just a playerbase for him to "farm" tears off other players and then humiliate them at CSM7?... i wonder does he play DOTA, LoL, etc games and actually does the same thing like **** on the opponents heads when they lose? so if he is an athlete, he will finish a 100m race go over all his opponents n smear some of his ass on them? that a nice formula i believe CCP likes huh?
he also said he didnt know if that guy died because of what he did ... of course he went on to elaborate how "expertly" his men killed off his mackinaws. he said some kind of disclaimer, but the fact is, i do not think the crowd laughed very loudly at that because those who are really listening to the crap understood and kept themselves from laughing. and from the HD video, he also said he wasnt drunk enough for the presentation, so i wonder why he said he was drunk when he issued an apology. true enough the part about the suicidal player may have been a small part of the whole hour long speech which started well and ended up in the ceiling fan with streaks of **** on it... still if you listen at what he said about the man and how he jokes about it... i am very sure there is nothing to it about promoting good gaming culture, it promotes that you can demean another player in however style you want it, just because you are a goon (he calls the person who killed off all his macks a hero), it promotes that u can get drunk and get away with anything, you can swear it off in anyway, and because he is CSM7, he gets to break it out at fanfest and make it appear to be the coolest thing a CSM rep can do.
i agree with alot of the comments in the youtube/forums that he just threw **** at the fan dirtied himself and CCP and no amount of apology will make it right.
perma ban ! I don't think there's a proper sentence in that entire post.
yes there probably isnt 1 up there ... but mittani did constructed his speech properly? when he demeaned the other player(s)? or for that matter ... for any event in eve that constitutes a demeaning behavior? WUT ??? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
352
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:37:00 -
[2583] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:I think its pretty clear based on the Goons actions and comments during this time make it very clear that they would have indeed followed up on the mittanis call to harass a person to suicide. Joke or not.
Look at how is apology contradicts what they are doing and saying in most of their posts. He clearly does not have enough control of them to have been able to pull them back from going to fare pursing his push a player until he breaks IRL mentality.
This is no longer damning of just the mittani but also the Goons and their reaction to all this.
If they hadnt gotten the clue from a CCP INVESTIGATION that this was prob a bad idea I dont want to think what they would have done to the person mittens was trying to get them to harass.
He is a leader of a cult of GOONs. A leader of a cult, and a cult of personality. That would have damn well followed up on his "joke."
Its all right out in the open considering how they are acting even after his apology for all to see.
This is why he must be removed from the CSM. Cause the Goons wont get it otherwise.
This is the legacy of the goons and mittani if Alex is not held accountable and punished for what he did.
This isnt a joke or a game. A clear precedent must be set by this. |

Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:38:00 -
[2584] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:
yea it is a terribad post
but id say again, CCP pls .. PERMA BAN for mittani
Banning people from a game for actions they take outside of said game sets a bad precedent. They might start banning people who type bad posts with their foreheads and then where would we be. |

KanashiiKami
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:42:00 -
[2585] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:i have to say this again ...
he actually called the goonie who killed off all his mackinaws a hero ... LOL? ... what is this? a hero ?
he made a mockery of himself and the EVE game ... he actually sounded very happy that the macks are killed off, the guy is demeaned publicly ... and he doesnt even care if he actually died ...
cmon CCP ... PERMA BAN !
Hello. I think your brain came loose from your skull. Please insert brain into skull, and try again.
if the mittani have 10k+ votes to goto fanfest to demean players before the public and spoil the game for alot of other players, i dont really care if you imagine my brains are out of my skull ... WUT ??? |

Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:43:00 -
[2586] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:yes there probably isnt 1 up there ... but mittani did constructed his speech properly? when he demeaned the other player(s)? or for that matter ... for any event in eve that constitutes a demeaning behavior?
You deserve a honest to God refund for your education. |

KanashiiKami
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:44:00 -
[2587] - Quote
Frederick Sanger wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:
yea it is a terribad post
but id say again, CCP pls .. PERMA BAN for mittani
Banning people from a game for actions they take outside of said game sets a bad precedent. They might start banning people who type bad posts with their foreheads and then where would we be.
hmmm outside? ... inside ? WUT ??? |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
150
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:44:00 -
[2588] - Quote
Frederick Sanger wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:
yea it is a terribad post
but id say again, CCP pls .. PERMA BAN for mittani
Banning people from a game for actions they take outside of said game sets a bad precedent. They might start banning people who type bad posts with their foreheads and then where would we be.
mMmmmmmm, goonie tears |

KanashiiKami
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:45:00 -
[2589] - Quote
Frederick Sanger wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:yes there probably isnt 1 up there ... but mittani did constructed his speech properly? when he demeaned the other player(s)? or for that matter ... for any event in eve that constitutes a demeaning behavior? You deserve a honest to God refund for your education.
i see ... now GOD is in the equation ... in EVE ? WUT ??? |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
552
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:47:00 -
[2590] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote: if the mittani have 10k+ votes to goto fanfest to demean players before the public and spoil the game for alot of other players, i dont really care if you imagine my brains are out of my skull ...
You realize that those 10,000 votes didn't happen by mistake. Those people know exactly who The Mittani is what he stands for and that he's a scammer and a con artist in game?
So, it doesn't matter. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:49:00 -
[2591] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Frederick Sanger wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:yes there probably isnt 1 up there ... but mittani did constructed his speech properly? when he demeaned the other player(s)? or for that matter ... for any event in eve that constitutes a demeaning behavior? You deserve a honest to God refund for your education. i see ... now GOD is in the equation ... in EVE ?
Were you born this stupid or did you have to take a class? |

KanashiiKami
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:50:00 -
[2592] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:KanashiiKami wrote: if the mittani have 10k+ votes to goto fanfest to demean players before the public and spoil the game for alot of other players, i dont really care if you imagine my brains are out of my skull ...
You realize that those 10,000 votes didn't happen by mistake. Those people know exactly who The Mittani is what he stands for and that he's a scammer and a con artist in game? So, it doesn't matter.
of cos ... that is what it is ....
and this is what it is ... a call for PERMA BAN for all accounts of ALEX WUT ??? |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:50:00 -
[2593] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:This isnt a joke or a game. A clear precedent must be set by this.
It's you. You're the joke. |

KanashiiKami
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:51:00 -
[2594] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Frederick Sanger wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:yes there probably isnt 1 up there ... but mittani did constructed his speech properly? when he demeaned the other player(s)? or for that matter ... for any event in eve that constitutes a demeaning behavior? You deserve a honest to God refund for your education. i see ... now GOD is in the equation ... in EVE ? Were you born this stupid or did you have to take a class?
im sorry i do not understand your question ... maybe the way you phrased it was s... nvm ...
WUT ??? |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:55:00 -
[2595] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Frederick Sanger wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:yes there probably isnt 1 up there ... but mittani did constructed his speech properly? when he demeaned the other player(s)? or for that matter ... for any event in eve that constitutes a demeaning behavior? You deserve a honest to God refund for your education. i see ... now GOD is in the equation ... in EVE ? Were you born this stupid or did you have to take a class? im sorry i do not understand your question ... maybe the way you phrased it was s... nvm ...
I rest my case. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1308
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:00:00 -
[2596] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
Screw you and the high horse you road in on. I belong to a NPC corp as well as my alt characters. My opinion is just as valid as any member of a player corp due to my subscription payments.
+100 to the OP.
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Heet Crusher
Drunk Chaos Unprovoked Aggression
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:01:00 -
[2597] - Quote
Just putting my two cents in. I watch it in HD stream and When it happen I was like there is a Goon doing some stupid and ignorant. The FANFEST is suppose to be a festival of ALL fans and employess of this great game and company CCP. And for someone to use it as a bully pulpit and to use his AUTHORITY as a large alliance leader and CHAIRMAN OF CSM to help grief a fellow player because he is having a rough time in RL and is having mental stabilty issues is outright disgusting and beyond all belief. Also he claims he is a attorney , well he obviously is not a very good one if one at all.
CCP fire his ass and replace with someone with a little more class and dignity and ban his account 30 days |

mustydude
The Lost Boys
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:01:00 -
[2598] - Quote
When will this end? Will it ever end? End it! |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
356
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:03:00 -
[2599] - Quote
Heet Crusher wrote:Just putting my two cents in. I watch it in HD stream and When it happen I was like there is a Goon doing some stupid and ignorant. The FANFEST is suppose to be a festival of ALL fans and employess of this great game and company CCP. And for someone to use it as a bully pulpit and to use his AUTHORITY as a large alliance leader and CHAIRMAN OF CSM to help grief a fellow player because he is having a rough time in RL and is having mental stabilty issues is outright disgusting and beyond all belief. Also he claims he is a attorney , well he obviously is not a very good one if one at all.
CCP fire his ass and replace with someone with a little more class and dignity and ban his account 30 days
Well said. |

KanashiiKami
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:04:00 -
[2600] - Quote
Heet Crusher wrote:Just putting my two cents in. I watch it in HD stream and When it happen I was like there is a Goon doing some stupid and ignorant. The FANFEST is suppose to be a festival of ALL fans and employess of this great game and company CCP. And for someone to use it as a bully pulpit and to use his AUTHORITY as a large alliance leader and CHAIRMAN OF CSM to help grief a fellow player because he is having a rough time in RL and is having mental stabilty issues is outright disgusting and beyond all belief. Also he claims he is a attorney , well he obviously is not a very good one if one at all.
CCP fire his ass and replace with someone with a little more class and dignity and ban his account 30 days
30days? no no
perma life ban all accounts WUT ??? |
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KanashiiKami
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:17:00 -
[2601] - Quote
this clip does not have the ending part where he asked other players to taunt him .... but even w/o that ... he did enough damage to himself and eve ...
youtube (dot) com (slash) watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI WUT ??? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
357
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:19:00 -
[2602] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:this clip does not have the ending part where he asked other players to taunt him .... but even w/o that ... he did enough damage to himself and eve ...
youtube (dot) com (slash) watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI
Funny how the critical spot became non working all the sudden. Aint it. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:30:00 -
[2603] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:this clip does not have the ending part where he asked other players to taunt him .... but even w/o that ... he did enough damage to himself and eve ...
youtube (dot) com (slash) watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI Funny how the critical spot became non working all the sudden. Aint it.
Not really. That's not the original video. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
357
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:31:00 -
[2604] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:this clip does not have the ending part where he asked other players to taunt him .... but even w/o that ... he did enough damage to himself and eve ...
youtube (dot) com (slash) watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI Funny how the critical spot became non working all the sudden. Aint it. Not really. That's not the original video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI
01.12.00
|

Flamespar
Woof Club
333
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:31:00 -
[2605] - Quote
I don't know why people are making the excuse that he was drunk.
He did go to the trouble of making a powerpoint presentation that included his conversation with this player, before the alliance panel. I presume he was sober when he did that. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |

KanashiiKami
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:34:00 -
[2606] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:this clip does not have the ending part where he asked other players to taunt him .... but even w/o that ... he did enough damage to himself and eve ...
youtube (dot) com (slash) watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI Funny how the critical spot became non working all the sudden. Aint it.
maybe he paid em off ... but the fact remains ... he acted like @#$% before the fanfest and proudly demeaned fellow EVE players. it must be a real achievement in life to impart the thought that it is OK to taunt someone to his suicide ...
PERMA BAN for mittani WUT ??? |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
208
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:42:00 -
[2607] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:I don't know why people are making the excuse that he was drunk
He did go to the trouble of making a powerpoint presentation that included his conversation with this player, before the alliance panel. I presume he was sober when he did that.
Nobody is upset because of him mentioning that guy's email at all, they're upset about him blabbing the guy's name in the Q&A afterwards, which is where the "he was drunk" part comes into play. If it was actually his intent to share the guy's name, it would have been part of the presentation. |

Atapine
Serpentine Holding Consortium
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:42:00 -
[2608] - Quote
This is Eve.
I will be VERY disappointed in CCP if they take any actions against Mittens or his accounts.
He has owned up to his behavior.
He has made restitution (unnecessarily) to said victim.
Those people who are still crying about this forget where they are.
This is Eve.
New Eden is not for pussies.
Perhaps the miner should go play Minecraft or Mario Carts or something safe that uses tokens at Chuck E Cheese.
Stay the course Mittani!
|

KanashiiKami
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:45:00 -
[2609] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:this clip does not have the ending part where he asked other players to taunt him .... but even w/o that ... he did enough damage to himself and eve ...
youtube (dot) com (slash) watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI Funny how the critical spot became non working all the sudden. Aint it. Not really. That's not the original video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI01.12.00
aha thank you for pointing out that spot, so i did missed it ... so evidently he said
"incidently, if you want to make the guy kill himself, ... " bla bla bla toon name etc etc ... he seems very happy in telling other players to try taunting him to his death ...
ahem so that was the real HD video ... WUT ??? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
370
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:47:00 -
[2610] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Flamespar wrote:I don't know why people are making the excuse that he was drunk
He did go to the trouble of making a powerpoint presentation that included his conversation with this player, before the alliance panel. I presume he was sober when he did that. Nobody is upset because of him mentioning that guy's email at all, they're upset about him blabbing the guy's name in the Q&A afterwards, which is where the "he was drunk" part comes into play. If it was actually his intent to share the guy's name, it would have been part of the presentation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI
1:12:00
seems maybe a bit more then half serious about calling for them to harass someone to a real life death.
even worse if you watch the presentation and then the Q&A back to back |
|

KanashiiKami
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:47:00 -
[2611] - Quote
Atapine wrote:This is Eve.
I will be VERY disappointed in CCP if they take any actions against Mittens or his accounts.
He has owned up to his behavior.
He has made restitution (unnecessarily) to said victim.
Those people who are still crying about this forget where they are.
This is Eve.
New Eden is not for pussies.
Perhaps the miner should go play Minecraft or Mario Carts or something safe that uses tokens at Chuck E Cheese.
Stay the course Mittani!
of cos its not for pxxxxxx ... he should man up and allow himself to be BANNED then ... he did not really owned up or truly regret his actions, the miner guy was then set upon by the goons ... WUT ??? |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
123
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:51:00 -
[2612] - Quote
Why are we still talking about Mittens? Why is he still here?! He needs to gtfo this game now! |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:52:00 -
[2613] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Flamespar wrote:I don't know why people are making the excuse that he was drunk
He did go to the trouble of making a powerpoint presentation that included his conversation with this player, before the alliance panel. I presume he was sober when he did that. Nobody is upset because of him mentioning that guy's email at all, they're upset about him blabbing the guy's name in the Q&A afterwards, which is where the "he was drunk" part comes into play. If it was actually his intent to share the guy's name, it would have been part of the presentation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI1:12:00 seems maybe a bit more then half serious about calling for them to harass someone to a real life death. even worse if you watch the presentation and then the Q&A back to back
If you think that he was in any way serious, you're an complete idiot. Do try to stay somewhere in the realm of reality. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
209
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:52:00 -
[2614] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI
1:12:00
seems maybe a bit more then half serious about calling for them to harass someone to a real life death.
even worse if you watch the presentation and then the Q&A back to back
You can link that all you want, I've seen it. Did you just see it now or something, because you're spamming it more than usual.
Wouldn't be surprised if you did, it'd at least explain how you didn't even seem to know when any of these events actually happened a few hours ago. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:52:00 -
[2615] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Atapine wrote:This is Eve.
I will be VERY disappointed in CCP if they take any actions against Mittens or his accounts.
He has owned up to his behavior.
He has made restitution (unnecessarily) to said victim.
Those people who are still crying about this forget where they are.
This is Eve.
New Eden is not for pussies.
Perhaps the miner should go play Minecraft or Mario Carts or something safe that uses tokens at Chuck E Cheese.
Stay the course Mittani!
of cos its not for pxxxxxx ... he should man up and allow himself to be BANNED then ... he did not really owned up or truly regret his actions, the miner guy was then set upon by the goons ...
What ******* language are you speaking? |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:54:00 -
[2616] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:this clip does not have the ending part where he asked other players to taunt him .... but even w/o that ... he did enough damage to himself and eve ...
youtube (dot) com (slash) watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI Funny how the critical spot became non working all the sudden. Aint it. Not really. That's not the original video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI01.12.00 aha thank you for pointing out that spot, so i did missed it ... so evidently he said "incidently, if you want to make the guy kill himself, ... " bla bla bla toon name etc etc ... he seems very happy in telling other players to try taunting him to his death ... ahem so that was the real HD video ...
You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for. |

KanashiiKami
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:55:00 -
[2617] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Flamespar wrote:I don't know why people are making the excuse that he was drunk
He did go to the trouble of making a powerpoint presentation that included his conversation with this player, before the alliance panel. I presume he was sober when he did that. Nobody is upset because of him mentioning that guy's email at all, they're upset about him blabbing the guy's name in the Q&A afterwards, which is where the "he was drunk" part comes into play. If it was actually his intent to share the guy's name, it would have been part of the presentation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI1:12:00 seems maybe a bit more then half serious about calling for them to harass someone to a real life death. even worse if you watch the presentation and then the Q&A back to back If you think that he was in any way serious, you're an complete idiot. Do try to stay somewhere in the realm of reality.
he was in reality at fanfest when he openly requested for suicidal taunts ... i am in reality asking CCP for his perma BAN
WUT ??? |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:58:00 -
[2618] - Quote
I'm just going to leave this here.
http://i.imgur.com/NEqxu.gif That which does not kill you, makes you stronger.-á Friedrich Nietzsche
That which does not kill you, hurts like hell.-á UNKNOWN |

KanashiiKami
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:01:00 -
[2619] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote: You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for.
SO? ... so what if i am autistic ... or i dont have queens english ... or i cant construct sentences? but im pretty sure i know what "PERMA ban for mittani" means WUT ??? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
373
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:04:00 -
[2620] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:RougeOperator wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI
1:12:00
seems maybe a bit more then half serious about calling for them to harass someone to a real life death.
even worse if you watch the presentation and then the Q&A back to back You can link that all you want, I've seen it. Did you just see it now or something, because you're spamming it more than usual. Wouldn't be surprised if you did, it'd at least explain how you didn't even seem to know when any of these events actually happened a few hours ago.
I saw the original Stream.
The you tube ones cut the part that was relevant.
I finally found a full uncut HD copy
Not hard to figure out. |
|

KanashiiKami
33
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:08:00 -
[2621] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote: You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for.
you know before i even watched youtube which is the epicentre of the **** "quake" of mittani@fanfest drowning EVE/CCP.... you can read it in massively and eurogamer ... TRANSCRIBED ... WUT ??? |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
211
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:09:00 -
[2622] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:I saw the original Stream.
The you tube ones cut the part that was relevant.
I finally found a full uncut HD copy
Not hard to figure out.
Oh, you saw the original stream. Does that mean you were lying when you tried to pretend like there wasn't a several day gap between the alliance panel comments and the forum outrage, or are you just stupendously bad at math? |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:10:00 -
[2623] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for.
SO? ... so what if i am autistic ... or i dont have queens english ... or i cant construct sentences? but im pretty sure i know what "PERMA ban for mittani" means
You really should stop posting. |

Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:13:00 -
[2624] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for.
SO? ... so what if i am autistic ... or i dont have queens english ... or i cant construct sentences? but im pretty sure i know what "PERMA ban for mittani" means You really should stop posting.
Agree Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
272
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:14:00 -
[2625] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for.
SO? ... so what if i am autistic ... or i dont have queens english ... or i cant construct sentences? but im pretty sure i know what "PERMA ban for mittani" means You really should stop posting.
You really sound exactly like Harlot. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
375
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:16:00 -
[2626] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:RougeOperator wrote:I saw the original Stream.
The you tube ones cut the part that was relevant.
I finally found a full uncut HD copy
Not hard to figure out. Oh, you saw the original stream. Does that mean you were lying when you tried to pretend like there wasn't a several day gap between the alliance panel comments and the forum outrage, or are you just stupendously bad at math?
Nope I talked to some people. |

Anya Klibor
Error-404
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:16:00 -
[2627] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:I don't know why people are making the excuse that he was drunk.
He did go to the trouble of making a powerpoint presentation that included his conversation with this player, before the alliance panel. I presume he was sober when he did that.
The only people defending him with the claim of "he was drunk" are Goons and NPC alts of Goons. Even Mittens said in his "apology" that it wasn't an excuse, and to his credit he hasn't attempted to use it.
However, it should be noted that he was very quick to tell us to "deal with it", and that many of our opinions "don't matter" because we are either:
1.) Part of an NPC corporation, or; 2.) Not one of the 10,000+ people who voted for him for CSM.
Doesn't matter what you think; the kid is a sociopath, and if he truly was a lawyer he was probably some scumsucking ambulance chaser who graduated from community college in the lower 10% of his class. Nothing more. |

KanashiiKami
34
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:16:00 -
[2628] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for.
SO? ... so what if i am autistic ... or i dont have queens english ... or i cant construct sentences? but im pretty sure i know what "PERMA ban for mittani" means You really should stop posting.
the mittani openly asked players to try and get to this fella to "complete" his suicide if someone DID succumb to his suggestion, what will happen?
i am only asking for a BAN in GAME for this person if someone did succumb to my suggestion what will happen?
since you are insistent on asking me to stop posting, i wonder... who will you like to see succeed in the above ... WUT ??? |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:18:00 -
[2629] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for.
SO? ... so what if i am autistic ... or i dont have queens english ... or i cant construct sentences? but im pretty sure i know what "PERMA ban for mittani" means You really should stop posting. the mittani openly asked players to try and get to this fella to "complete" his suicide if someone DID succumb to his suggestion, what will happen? i am only asking for a BAN in GAME for this person if someone did succumb to my suggestion what will happen? since you are insistent on asking me to stop posting, i wonder... who will you like to see succeed in the above ...
I'll answer your question once you ask it in a language that is recognizable. |

Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:18:00 -
[2630] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:RougeOperator wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:this clip does not have the ending part where he asked other players to taunt him .... but even w/o that ... he did enough damage to himself and eve ...
youtube (dot) com (slash) watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI Funny how the critical spot became non working all the sudden. Aint it. maybe he paid em off ... but the fact remains ... he acted like @#$% before the fanfest and proudly demeaned fellow EVE players. it must be a real achievement in life to impart the thought that it is OK to taunt someone to his suicide ... PERMA BAN for mittani
REALLY??/
Yes bc 'griefing' someones player toon in an MMO, especially one KNOWN for being difficult and dangerous (ingame) should have ANY effect on someones 'Real Life'?
Huh?
If thats what you think, or anyone else, you should quit now, and maybe go outside. Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |
|

Anya Klibor
Error-404
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:19:00 -
[2631] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for.
SO? ... so what if i am autistic ... or i dont have queens english ... or i cant construct sentences? but im pretty sure i know what "PERMA ban for mittani" means You really should stop posting. the mittani openly asked players to try and get to this fella to "complete" his suicide if someone DID succumb to his suggestion, what will happen? i am only asking for a BAN in GAME for this person if someone did succumb to my suggestion what will happen? since you are insistent on asking me to stop posting, i wonder... who will you like to see succeed in the above ...
For one, he'd be in cuffs, charged with conspiracy to harass, general harassment, and inciting harassment, at the very least. I wouldn't be surprised if the DA attempted to go after him for Man 2, but that'd be a stretch. |

Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
20
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:19:00 -
[2632] - Quote
Atapine wrote:This is Eve.New Eden is not for pussies. Tell that to Mittani so he might stop acting like one.
|

Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:21:00 -
[2633] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for.
SO? ... so what if i am autistic ... or i dont have queens english ... or i cant construct sentences? but im pretty sure i know what "PERMA ban for mittani" means You really should stop posting. the mittani openly asked players to try and get to this fella to "complete" his suicide if someone DID succumb to his suggestion, what will happen? i am only asking for a BAN in GAME for this person if someone did succumb to my suggestion what will happen? since you are insistent on asking me to stop posting, i wonder... who will you like to see succeed in the above ...
You're signature says it all, exactly my sentiments here.
Do you know what sentiments means?
Maybe not. Ill rephrase for you:
WUT??? Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |

KanashiiKami
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:21:00 -
[2634] - Quote
im not trying to troll or anyting but i am very amused at the amount of support mittani gets for what he did ... really LOL ... WUT ??? |

Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:23:00 -
[2635] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for.
SO? ... so what if i am autistic ... or i dont have queens english ... or i cant construct sentences? but im pretty sure i know what "PERMA ban for mittani" means You really should stop posting. the mittani openly asked players to try and get to this fella to "complete" his suicide if someone DID succumb to his suggestion, what will happen? i am only asking for a BAN in GAME for this person if someone did succumb to my suggestion what will happen? since you are insistent on asking me to stop posting, i wonder... who will you like to see succeed in the above ... For one, he'd be in cuffs, charged with conspiracy to harass, general harassment, and inciting harassment, at the very least. I wouldn't be surprised if the DA attempted to go after him for Man 2, but that'd be a stretch.
Really? Give me a break.
Have fun proving anything in court. It would be thrown out. A waste of the courts time and public taxes. Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |

Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:24:00 -
[2636] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:im not trying to troll or anyting but i am very amused at the amount of support mittani gets for what he did ... really LOL ...
IM 12 AND WAT IS THIS
Really dude, give it a rest. Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |

KanashiiKami
37
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:26:00 -
[2637] - Quote
Jan VanRijkdom wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:im not trying to troll or anyting but i am very amused at the amount of support mittani gets for what he did ... really LOL ... IM 12 AND WAT IS THIS Really dude, give it a rest.
so really ...
who wud you rather succeed?
mittani success in a suicidal taunt? or me getting him perma banned ? WUT ??? |

SamtheDog
Singularity.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:28:00 -
[2638] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for.
SO? ... so what if i am autistic ... or i dont have queens english ... or i cant construct sentences? but im pretty sure i know what "PERMA ban for mittani" means You really should stop posting. the mittani openly asked players to try and get to this fella to "complete" his suicide if someone DID succumb to his suggestion, what will happen? i am only asking for a BAN in GAME for this person if someone did succumb to my suggestion what will happen? since you are insistent on asking me to stop posting, i wonder... who will you like to see succeed in the above ...
I'm afraid that his incident if far more serious in nature than that. It's criminal. Trying to suggest others to make someone commit suicide is a criminal offence to which CCP may be held partially liable for hosting this at their venue.
A permament ban is the least of this person's problems. I would be far more concerned about a criminal charge for this conduct (which was on video) and a potential civil lawsuit that may result for the 'mental anguish' this person suffered as a result.
The "I was drunk" defence doesn't work very well in these circumstances.
If it was me who Mittanni did this to, I'd have filed a criminal complaint and sued Mittanni and those who may be held responsible.
Not even funny at all.
Sam |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
45
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:28:00 -
[2639] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:The only people defending him with the claim of "he was drunk" are Goons and NPC alts of Goons. Even Mittens said in his "apology" that it wasn't an excuse, and to his credit he hasn't attempted to use it.
However, it should be noted that he was very quick to tell us to "deal with it", and that many of our opinions "don't matter" because we are either:
1.) Part of an NPC corporation, or; 2.) Not one of the 10,000+ people who voted for him for CSM.
Doesn't matter what you think; the kid is a sociopath, and if he truly was a lawyer he was probably some scumsucking ambulance chaser who graduated from community college in the lower 10% of his class. Nothing more.
The issue was never so much about the powerpoint. When they were traveling back home and reading forums, getting hate, he thought it was about the p-point, so he states. The deal with it was because he assumed it was only because of posting the quotes. Comments later say that when he got home, he saw the stream posted and then he knew it wasn't about just the powerpoint and the quote but the actions. I consider those statements to be factual. Guy does have brains, but I don't think anybody really would be able to watch that where on live stream he was falling off his chair, etc and think it was cool. Well, I am sure there are some, but Mittani doesn't strike me as that. Before judging the person, lets see his action when they talk about it. |

Anya Klibor
Error-404
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:30:00 -
[2640] - Quote
Jan VanRijkdom wrote:
Really? Give me a break.
Have fun proving anything in court. It would be thrown out. A waste of the courts time and public taxes.
Exhibit A: Youtube video.
That would probably be more than enough to show his intent.
After that, I call each and every person as a witness to prove he said it. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get a conspiracy charge pled out, mainly because many jurisdictions have the same penalty for conspirators as they do for the peron who commits the action.
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
56
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:32:00 -
[2641] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: You've been calling for a perma ban when you'd never even seen the clip or knew what he said? Congratulations, you're more of an autistic sperflord than I took you for.
SO? ... so what if i am autistic ... or i dont have queens english ... or i cant construct sentences? but im pretty sure i know what "PERMA ban for mittani" means You really should stop posting. the mittani openly asked players to try and get to this fella to "complete" his suicide if someone DID succumb to his suggestion, what will happen? i am only asking for a BAN in GAME for this person if someone did succumb to my suggestion what will happen? since you are insistent on asking me to stop posting, i wonder... who will you like to see succeed in the above ... For one, he'd be in cuffs, charged with conspiracy to harass, general harassment, and inciting harassment, at the very least. I wouldn't be surprised if the DA attempted to go after him for Man 2, but that'd be a stretch.
This, except you're completely incorrect. |

Anya Klibor
Error-404
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:34:00 -
[2642] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:
This, except you're completely incorrect.
I'd ask you to elaborate. but history shows you'd prefer to leave your opinion as broad as possible. Doesn't matter, really, because you'll still be hoisted by your own petard. |

Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:35:00 -
[2643] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:Jan VanRijkdom wrote:
Really? Give me a break.
Have fun proving anything in court. It would be thrown out. A waste of the courts time and public taxes.
Exhibit A: Youtube video. That would probably be more than enough to show his intent. After that, I call each and every person as a witness to prove he said it. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get a conspiracy charge pled out, mainly because many jurisdictions have the same penalty for conspirators as they do for the peron who commits the action.
If it's that easy then the legal system is even more sad and broken than EVE lol.
The thing is, if Im not mistaken, hasnt the 'victim' in this situation already decided not to push it? Or am I mistaken.
At this point it seems its just academic. Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
56
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:35:00 -
[2644] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:
This, except you're completely incorrect.
I'd ask you to elaborate. but history shows you'd prefer to leave your opinion as broad as possible. Doesn't matter, really, because you'll still be hoisted by your own petard.
Kinky. Are you coming on to me? |

Savion Chastis
Golden Sail Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:35:00 -
[2645] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:im not trying to troll or anyting but i am very amused at the amount of support mittani gets for what he did ... really LOL ...
What do you expect them to do? Turn on him? They are serving their purpose, it's not their problem a heapin' helpin' of clown shoes keep walking right into it and showing that they aren't any better. The real tragedy is that these threads are still going on.
Anyone with any real insight and understanding has pretty much spoke their mind and moved on. I'm just getting the lights and making sure we turned to crockpot off. Watching the goons have a field day with Salem's lot. |

KanashiiKami
37
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:39:00 -
[2646] - Quote
anyway, i did submit a petition to CCP requesting for full player BAN for ALEX.
if you think the same as me, that alex shud be BANNED. i think you should officially petition it too. WUT ??? |

Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:40:00 -
[2647] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide.
Where is ANY proof that this 'mentally unstable' person was as he claimed? Can't anyone claim anything? Link to the MD diagnosis or I say it's just some emo kid being an emo kid.
Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |

Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:40:00 -
[2648] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:anyway, i did submit a petition to CCP requesting for full player BAN for ALEX.
if you think the same as me, that alex shud be BANNED. i think you should officially petition it too.
I swear, someone gag this idiot. Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |

Anya Klibor
Error-404
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:41:00 -
[2649] - Quote
Jan VanRijkdom wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:Jan VanRijkdom wrote:
Really? Give me a break.
Have fun proving anything in court. It would be thrown out. A waste of the courts time and public taxes.
Exhibit A: Youtube video. That would probably be more than enough to show his intent. After that, I call each and every person as a witness to prove he said it. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get a conspiracy charge pled out, mainly because many jurisdictions have the same penalty for conspirators as they do for the peron who commits the action. If it's that easy then the legal system is even more sad and broken than EVE lol. The thing is, if Im not mistaken, hasnt the 'victim' in this situation already decided not to push it? Or am I mistaken. At this point it seems its just academic.
In many instances, the victim doesn't get a say. In this, he might, but prosecutors can be weird sometimes. Especially during an election year. |

Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:41:00 -
[2650] - Quote
Savion Chastis wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:im not trying to troll or anyting but i am very amused at the amount of support mittani gets for what he did ... really LOL ... What do you expect them to do? Turn on him? They are serving their purpose, it's not their problem a heapin' helpin' of clown shoes keep walking right into it and showing that they aren't any better. The real tragedy is that these threads are still going on. Anyone with any real insight and understanding has pretty much spoke their mind and moved on. I'm just getting the lights and making sure we turned to crockpot off. Watching the goons have a field day with Salem's lot.
Unfortunately some people have lives/work, etc, and havent been able to be there for the whole things as it unfolded, hypocrite. Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |
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KanashiiKami
37
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:42:00 -
[2651] - Quote
Savion Chastis wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:im not trying to troll or anyting but i am very amused at the amount of support mittani gets for what he did ... really LOL ... What do you expect them to do? Turn on him? They are serving their purpose, it's not their problem a heapin' helpin' of clown shoes keep walking right into it and showing that they aren't any better. The real tragedy is that these threads are still going on. Anyone with any real insight and understanding has pretty much spoke their mind and moved on. I'm just getting the lights and making sure we turned to crockpot off. Watching the goons have a field day with Salem's lot.
it is not a tragedy that the thread is going on and on ...
it IS a tragedy that some people are sweeping it under the worm hole and classifying it as a joke or something to that level. WUT ??? |

Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:43:00 -
[2652] - Quote
Didn't Mittani send the dude like 11 billion isk or something? If I were the "offended" I'd post "successful troll is successful" on the eve forum and win ALL the internets forever. |

Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:43:00 -
[2653] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:Jan VanRijkdom wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:Jan VanRijkdom wrote:
Really? Give me a break.
Have fun proving anything in court. It would be thrown out. A waste of the courts time and public taxes.
Exhibit A: Youtube video. That would probably be more than enough to show his intent. After that, I call each and every person as a witness to prove he said it. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get a conspiracy charge pled out, mainly because many jurisdictions have the same penalty for conspirators as they do for the peron who commits the action. If it's that easy then the legal system is even more sad and broken than EVE lol. The thing is, if Im not mistaken, hasnt the 'victim' in this situation already decided not to push it? Or am I mistaken. At this point it seems its just academic. In many instances, the victim doesn't get a say. In this, he might, but prosecutors can be weird sometimes. Especially during an election year.
Im preeeetty sure the victim gets a say....especially the part where they decide to press charges or not.
Yep, really sure actually,
Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
57
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:43:00 -
[2654] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:anyway, i did submit a petition to CCP requesting for full player BAN for ALEX.
if you think the same as me, that alex shud be BANNED. i think you should officially petition it too.
Rerpoted for harassment.
BAM! Can you taste that ******* irony!? |

Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:43:00 -
[2655] - Quote
Hannott Thanos wrote:Didn't Mittani send the dude like 11 billion isk or something? If I were the "offended" I'd post "successful troll is successful" on the eve forum and win ALL the internets forever.
+1!
My thoughts exactly!!! Mmmm...beer... -áAnd no, I'm not actually Dutch. |

KanashiiKami
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:46:00 -
[2656] - Quote
Jan VanRijkdom wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:anyway, i did submit a petition to CCP requesting for full player BAN for ALEX.
if you think the same as me, that alex shud be BANNED. i think you should officially petition it too. I swear, someone gag this idiot.
so are you saying that mittani is right? about what he did at fanfest?
and that all the other 6 CSM should join him in his methodology of presentation? WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:48:00 -
[2657] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:anyway, i did submit a petition to CCP requesting for full player BAN for ALEX.
if you think the same as me, that alex shud be BANNED. i think you should officially petition it too. Rerpoted for harassment. BAM! Can you taste that ******* irony!? pls explain my method of harrassment?
WUT ??? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
378
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:48:00 -
[2658] - Quote
Jan VanRijkdom wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide. Where is ANY proof that this 'mentally unstable' person was as he claimed? Can't anyone claim anything? Link to the MD diagnosis or I say it's just some emo kid being an emo kid.
he dosent have too. He was threatened with then end result of death.
His current or past mental stability actually dont have to come into play at all in this case. Nor does anyone's for that matter.
What was done is wrong irrespective of that.
Actually not knowing the mental state at all is more damning for anyone that would do what the mittani suggested.
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
58
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:49:00 -
[2659] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Jan VanRijkdom wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:anyway, i did submit a petition to CCP requesting for full player BAN for ALEX.
if you think the same as me, that alex shud be BANNED. i think you should officially petition it too. I swear, someone gag this idiot. so are you saying that mittani is right? about what he did at fanfest? and that all the other 6 CSM should join him in his methodology of presentation?
You're just making **** up at this point. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
58
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:49:00 -
[2660] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Jan VanRijkdom wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Oh my humble apologies for tarnishing your great reputation, Mittani the Great. I just hope that you think twice before asking thousands of other players to partake in an act to provoke a mentally unstable person to commit suicide. Where is ANY proof that this 'mentally unstable' person was as he claimed? Can't anyone claim anything? Link to the MD diagnosis or I say it's just some emo kid being an emo kid. he dosent have too. He was threatened with then end result of death.His current or past mental stability actually dont have to come into play at all in this case. Nor does anyone's for that matter. What was done is wrong irrespective of that. Actually not knowing the mental state at all is more damning for anyone that would do what the mittani suggested.
Oops, no he wasn't.
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
484
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:28:00 -
[2661] - Quote
Soldarius wrote:I have yet to give my opinion on the actual events. However, to all those who say that that suicidal people don't speak out and just stay quiet, I'll just leave this here. there's a difference between people who seriously want to kill themselves, people who want to be rescued and might end up killing themselves if that doesn't happen/they are not taken seriously and people who want to use their suicide to get back at their enemies.
I have suffered from depressive episodes for a long time and had my share of fun contemplating suicide.
It is very easy to kill yourself without anybody being able to stop you - if you actually want to. Most suicidals tend to mitigate that problem by imposing a host of additional restrictions - it has to be at a certain place, it has to be a certain (usually low success rate) method, it has to be "clean", it has to be this, it has to be that and most importantly the world that caused you all this misery has to know about it. In short, they try everything to make sure their attempt won't be a successful one while still being a credible/legit suicide attempt. They crave the "theatrical scene" more than unspectacular death itself.
Some information on (teen) suicides to illustrate my point: Three times more women attempt suicide than men, yet four times more men die by suicide than women. "There are an estimated 8-25 attempted suicides for each teen suicide death; the ratio is higher in women and youth and lower in men and the elderly."
That's an abysmal success rate and my intuition is that many of the successful suicides are accidents (where the method proved to be more effective than expected or help didn't arrive in time) rather than fully intentional.
I was cured from any suicidal ambitions (but of course not from depression) when I had to stand watch for a few hours in the middle of the night with a live firearm. It was the kairos to commit suicide so to speak - none of my comrades were acutely aware of my problems, nobody could have arrived in time to stop me, headshots are very reliably lethal if done right (not the temple), no drama, no last words, no farewell letters, ... - it was the perfect moment and I did let it pass. After that there was no point in romanticizing suicide - if I'm not willing to do it the most straightforward and reliable way, then I have to face the fact that maybe - deep down - I just don't want to die. If I had been fool enough to contemplate "soft" methods (pills, cutting your wrists, ...) I might have ended up killing myself by accident.
So yes, in an empirical sense you are probably right - people who try to kill themselves often send out signs before doing so and some of those who try will succeed. If somebody tells you about being suicidal he either wants your help (good) or wants to make you feel bad about his death later on (bad). In any case you should probably take action to help the suicidal contribute his part to that horribly bad success rate and/or so you don#t feel bad about yourself if he/she happens to succeed.
But in spirit I have to side with the post you replied to - a person that just wants to be dead and nothing more has many ways to do so at his disposal and none of them entails alerting other people to his situation. |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:32:00 -
[2662] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:anyway, i did submit a petition to CCP requesting for full player BAN for ALEX.
if you think the same as me, that alex shud be BANNED. i think you should officially petition it too. Rerpoted for harassment. BAM! Can you taste that ******* irony!? pls explain my method of harrassment? Harassing people on the forums to bully CCP to ban someone, who has already formally apologized and even payed for any damages (both mental and virtual) out of his own pocket, when the "injured" party (who is reported to be in fine health by the way) barely even remembers, or very much cares about the event that caused him to sent that E-Mail mentioned in the alliance panel.
Stop being so butthurt over this. Everybody is fine (physically and mentally), and have said their mea culpas (The Mittani). Everybody should just chill the hell out, and get back to blowing each other up, rather than blowing up the forums.
That which does not kill you, makes you stronger.-á Friedrich Nietzsche
That which does not kill you, hurts like hell.-á UNKNOWN |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
216
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:42:00 -
[2663] - Quote
I've had a change of mind. If Fanfest would have been a bar and Mittens would have told someone at the bar to go kill themselves, Patrick Swayze would have kicked his ass.
Patrick Swayze, rest his soul, would not have abided by this. Why should we?
Mittens out, Roadhouse in |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
382
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:56:00 -
[2664] - Quote
Mortimer Civeri wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:anyway, i did submit a petition to CCP requesting for full player BAN for ALEX.
if you think the same as me, that alex shud be BANNED. i think you should officially petition it too. Rerpoted for harassment. BAM! Can you taste that ******* irony!? pls explain my method of harrassment? Harassing people on the forums to bully CCP to ban someone, who has already formally apologized and even payed for any damages (both mental and virtual) out of his own pocket, when the "injured" party (who is reported to be in fine health by the way) barely even remembers, or very much cares about the event that caused him to sent that E-Mail mentioned in the alliance panel. Stop being so butthurt over this. Everybody is fine (physically and mentally), and have said their mea culpas (The Mittani). Everybody should just chill the hell out, and get back to blowing each other up, rather than blowing up the forums.
Wow Thats a stretch if if i ever saw one. |

Major Spag
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:13:00 -
[2665] - Quote
IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:Major Spag wrote:To say nothing of the complete waste of posting and finger movement energy that should have got the vast majority of the people on this forum to resign and/or get them banned.
Seriously, if you honestly cared enough about this player, you should have spent the last year since the incident coaching him and convincing him to seek medical help. Good job caring only when it is popular to do so. I hope whichever internet girl friend you have is truly impressed over your sudden concern for someone who is so terribly mentally handicapped as to contemplate suicide over an effing video game! I am serious. Pat yourself on the back. You win the internet by caring only because it was mentioned in a drunk fueled power point presentation. :golfclap:
You seem to misunderstand. I don't know, nor do I care personally about the player. However if I had received an e-mail in which a player admits to suicidal thoughts the absolute last thing I would consider doing is to include it into a Presentation I intended to give at Fanfest and then openly suggest people greif the guy! Especially if I was the CEO of Goonswarm and the Chairman of the CSM. Some things you just don't do.
In your case, that would be posting! |

Zleon Leigh
107
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:20:00 -
[2666] - Quote
I think its about time for CCP to stand up and make a statement. Anyone else? Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
216
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:25:00 -
[2667] - Quote
Zleon Leigh wrote:I think its about time for CCP to stand up and make a statement. Anyone else?
Definitely! I've been waiting for like 20 minutes for them to tell us if we'll ever be able to watch Roadhouse in our CQ's! That's 18 or so minutes too long, unaccetable!
*emails Eurogamer* |

Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:29:00 -
[2668] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:I think its about time for CCP to stand up and make a statement. Anyone else? Definitely! I've been waiting for like 20 minutes for them to tell us if we'll ever be able to watch Roadhouse in our CQ's! That's 18 or so minutes too long, unaccetable! *emails Eurogamer*
I got Kotaku. They're primarily about Japanese stuff I think, but I'm pretty sure the Japanese like Roadhouse.
At least they better if they know what's good for them.
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Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:40:00 -
[2669] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far. Anybody who threatens to commit suicide over a video game deserves to be mocked.
So, you (the great guys) all have two (or more) personalities - one for real life and other for gaming ... and must be universal genius in RL. You must write a book on human mind which should be accepted like new standard in psychology. Bravo to you. And that video of CSM was most interesting and resourceful - almost like some NATO session - and keep up the great work .... Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:44:00 -
[2670] - Quote
Any sign of the delightful Ladie Harlot and his special take on this story?
Morning here, so may have missed him. |
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:12:00 -
[2671] - Quote
Pathetic.
The apology is 40 pages ahead of you guys, come on. |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
54
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:31:00 -
[2672] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote: it is not a tragedy that the thread is going on and on ...
it IS a tragedy that some people are sweeping it under the worm hole and classifying it as a joke or something to that level.
Should anyone support what he did. NO he is not supporting it himself. Should he resign. YES just like he said he would. Should CCP issue a statement condemning the whole thing. YES or they will keep getting bad press only it will get worse. Should the rest of the CSM issue a statement. YES anything would be better than running away for days. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:33:00 -
[2673] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:KanashiiKami wrote: it is not a tragedy that the thread is going on and on ...
it IS a tragedy that some people are sweeping it under the worm hole and classifying it as a joke or something to that level.
Should anyone support what he did. NO he is not supporting it himself. Should he resign. YES just like he said he would. Should CCP issue a statement condemning the whole thing. YES or they will keep getting bad press only it will get worse. Should the rest of the CSM issue a statement. YES anything would be better than running away for days.
Should anyone care what this psycho sexist campaign-sabotaging publord says NO Should people just chill and watch Roadhouse instead YES |

ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:34:00 -
[2674] - Quote
Zleon Leigh wrote:I think its about time for CCP to stand up and make a statement. Anyone else?
A statement about the blinding quality of Roadhouse I hope |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
217
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:37:00 -
[2675] - Quote
Eh.... True? Or no? Its an update to their last article.
From http://kotaku.com/5896942/eve-online-suicide-taunter-goes-well-beyond-apologising
Mar 28, 2012 1:00 AM EVE Online Suicide Taunter Goes Well Beyond Apologising
The Mittani, a senior player in the EVE Online community and the man at the centre of yesterday's story about suicide taunts at a game convention, has gone well beyond apologising for his actions.
Saying that "actions > words" and that he hates it "when people use alcohol as an excuse" for their behaviour (The Mittani had clearly had a few during the panel), he has posted on Twitter that not only will he be resigning from his senior position within the game's community, but that he'll also be sending all of his remaining in-game currency to the "victim".
Some will say that, given the possibility the "victim" wasn't even being truthful in their actions, that's crazy. Even those aware that the real issue was simply attacking the player in the first place (as they couldn't have known whether it was genuine or not) might say it's a bit much, especially since his main apology was so sincere.
But hey, this is what it looks like when somebody takes actual responsibility for their mistakes. |

Pip x2
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:38:00 -
[2676] - Quote
I'm just going to leave this here |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
55
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:42:00 -
[2677] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:Eh.... True? Or no? Its an update to their last article. From http://kotaku.com/5896942/eve-online-suicide-taunter-goes-well-beyond-apologisingMar 28, 2012 1:00 AM EVE Online Suicide Taunter Goes Well Beyond Apologising The Mittani, a senior player in the EVE Online community and the man at the centre of yesterday's story about suicide taunts at a game convention, has gone well beyond apologising for his actions. Saying that "actions > words" and that he hates it "when people use alcohol as an excuse" for their behaviour (The Mittani had clearly had a few during the panel), he has posted on Twitter that not only will he be resigning from his senior position within the game's community, but that he'll also be sending all of his remaining in-game currency to the "victim". Some will say that, given the possibility the "victim" wasn't even being truthful in their actions, that's crazy. Even those aware that the real issue was simply attacking the player in the first place (as they couldn't have known whether it was genuine or not) might say it's a bit much, especially since his main apology was so sincere. But hey, this is what it looks like when somebody takes actual responsibility for their mistakes. I love the alteration to the language. The Mittani says he will resign, this says resign his senior position, what the hell does that mean? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
217
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:43:00 -
[2678] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Eh.... True? Or no? Its an update to their last article. From http://kotaku.com/5896942/eve-online-suicide-taunter-goes-well-beyond-apologisingMar 28, 2012 1:00 AM EVE Online Suicide Taunter Goes Well Beyond Apologising The Mittani, a senior player in the EVE Online community and the man at the centre of yesterday's story about suicide taunts at a game convention, has gone well beyond apologising for his actions. Saying that "actions > words" and that he hates it "when people use alcohol as an excuse" for their behaviour (The Mittani had clearly had a few during the panel), he has posted on Twitter that not only will he be resigning from his senior position within the game's community, but that he'll also be sending all of his remaining in-game currency to the "victim". Some will say that, given the possibility the "victim" wasn't even being truthful in their actions, that's crazy. Even those aware that the real issue was simply attacking the player in the first place (as they couldn't have known whether it was genuine or not) might say it's a bit much, especially since his main apology was so sincere. But hey, this is what it looks like when somebody takes actual responsibility for their mistakes. I love the alteration to the language. The Mittani says he will resign, this says resign his senior position, what the hell does that mean?
The part I was "eh" about is that he plans to give the victim all of his remaining in-game currency? |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
55
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:44:00 -
[2679] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:KanashiiKami wrote: it is not a tragedy that the thread is going on and on ...
it IS a tragedy that some people are sweeping it under the worm hole and classifying it as a joke or something to that level.
Should anyone support what he did. NO he is not supporting it himself. Should he resign. YES just like he said he would. Should CCP issue a statement condemning the whole thing. YES or they will keep getting bad press only it will get worse. Should the rest of the CSM issue a statement. YES anything would be better than running away for days. Should anyone care what this psycho sexist campaign-sabotaging publord says NO Should people just chill and watch Roadhouse instead YES Will admit its good to see you don't know the difference between campaign spin and reality, but then that's what this is all about.
Never watched roadhouse sorry. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
228
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:47:00 -
[2680] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:Eh.... True? Or no? Its an update to their last article.
Old-ish info. He posted on his twitter that he would resign, but he posted that the moment he landed in the USA (the drama blew up while he was flying home). Two Step (next in line for CSM) asked him to think about it before making anything official ( https://twitter.com/two_step_eve/status/184449371847393280 ). Now the CSM is talking about it interally ( https://twitter.com/Seleene_EVE/status/184698227952582656 ).
Frying Doom wrote: I love the alteration to the language. The Mittani says he will resign, this says resign his senior position, what the hell does that mean?
It's Kotaku using non-Eve language since nobody outside of Eve players would have the slighest clue what the CSM is or what it even stands for. |
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
217
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:51:00 -
[2681] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Eh.... True? Or no? Its an update to their last article. Old-ish info. He posted on his twitter that he would resign, but he posted that the moment he landed in the USA (the drama blew up while he was flying home). Two Step (next in line for CSM) asked him to think about it before making anything official ( https://twitter.com/two_step_eve/status/184449371847393280 ). Now the CSM is talking about it interally ( https://twitter.com/Seleene_EVE/status/184698227952582656 ). Frying Doom wrote: I love the alteration to the language. The Mittani says he will resign, this says resign his senior position, what the hell does that mean?
It's Kotaku using non-Eve language since nobody outside of Eve players would have the slighest clue what the CSM is or what it even stands for.
TY for clarification. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1596
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:12:00 -
[2682] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:Eh.... True? Or no? Its an update to their last article. From http://kotaku.com/5896942/eve-online-suicide-taunter-goes-well-beyond-apologisingMar 28, 2012 1:00 AM EVE Online Suicide Taunter Goes Well Beyond Apologising The Mittani, a senior player in the EVE Online community and the man at the centre of yesterday's story about suicide taunts at a game convention, has gone well beyond apologising for his actions. Saying that "actions > words" and that he hates it "when people use alcohol as an excuse" for their behaviour (The Mittani had clearly had a few during the panel), he has posted on Twitter that not only will he be resigning from his senior position within the game's community, but that he'll also be sending all of his remaining in-game currency to the "victim". Some will say that, given the possibility the "victim" wasn't even being truthful in their actions, that's crazy. Even those aware that the real issue was simply attacking the player in the first place (as they couldn't have known whether it was genuine or not) might say it's a bit much, especially since his main apology was so sincere. But hey, this is what it looks like when somebody takes actual responsibility for their mistakes.
Its by no means clear as yet whether he will be keeping his word. I get the impression he's playing for time, trying to see what (if any) formal punishment there will be from CCP for bringing the game into disrepute for his actions at fanfest, and trying to assess whether he can use the "CSM begged me to stay!" line to keep himself in position. All in all its still a pretty disgraceful display from Alexander Gianturco and if he truly had the game's interests at heart his resignation would have been swift and decisive rather than all this snakiness and trying to find a way to role out from under the consequences of his actions.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:17:00 -
[2683] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Its by no means clear as yet whether he will be keeping his word. I get the impression he's playing for time, trying to see what (if any) formal punishment there will be from CCP for bringing the game into disrepute for his actions at fanfest, and trying to assess whether he can use the "CSM begged me to stay!" line to keep himself in position. All in all its still a pretty disgraceful display from Alexander Gianturco and if he truly had the game's interests at heart his resignation would have been swift and decisive rather than all this snakiness and trying to find a way to role out from under the consequences of his actions.
Another devastating piece of insight from official Eve playerbase spokesperson (and hater of Roadhouse), Jade Constantine. I too am sure that the Master Larper is just "playing for time" and not asleep after being thousands of miles away from home at a certain Eve fan gathering these past few days. |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:33:00 -
[2684] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Its by no means clear as yet whether he will be keeping his word. I get the impression he's playing for time, trying to see what (if any) formal punishment there will be from CCP for bringing the game into disrepute for his actions at fanfest, and trying to assess whether he can use the "CSM begged me to stay!" line to keep himself in position. All in all its still a pretty disgraceful display from Alexander Gianturco and if he truly had the game's interests at heart his resignation would have been swift and decisive rather than all this snakiness and trying to find a way to role out from under the consequences of his actions. Another devastating piece of insight from official Eve playerbase spokesperson (and hater of Roadhouse), Jade Constantine. I too am sure that the Master Larper is just "playing for time" and not asleep after being thousands of miles away from home at a certain Eve fan gathering these past few days. Well its good to see we have people like you to fill the void while he is asleep Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1598
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:39:00 -
[2685] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Its by no means clear as yet whether he will be keeping his word. I get the impression he's playing for time, trying to see what (if any) formal punishment there will be from CCP for bringing the game into disrepute for his actions at fanfest, and trying to assess whether he can use the "CSM begged me to stay!" line to keep himself in position. All in all its still a pretty disgraceful display from Alexander Gianturco and if he truly had the game's interests at heart his resignation would have been swift and decisive rather than all this snakiness and trying to find a way to role out from under the consequences of his actions. Another devastating piece of insight from official Eve playerbase spokesperson (and hater of Roadhouse), Jade Constantine. I too am sure that the Master Larper is just "playing for time" and not asleep after being thousands of miles away from home at a certain Eve fan gathering these past few days. Well its good to see we have people like you to fill the void while he is asleep 
We can always play a game of "which goon is the mittani's posting alts" while we wait 
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:44:00 -
[2686] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Do us all a favor and step down. Only six more between you and a free trip then?
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
321
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:48:00 -
[2687] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:bringing the game into disrepute for his actions at fanfest While his on the spur of the moment comment during Q&A was poorly chosen and indeed out of line, it is people like yourself that has been trying to put this game into disrepute by your actions and hyperbole. Wether you will succeed or not is written in the future. This game is famous for its meta-gaming and the game is not over yet. |

Prince Kobol
419
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:06:00 -
[2688] - Quote
92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
enough said |

Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:12:00 -
[2689] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:bringing the game into disrepute for his actions at fanfest While his on the spur of the moment comment during Q&A was poorly chosen and indeed out of line, it is people like yourself that has been trying to put this game into disrepute by your actions and hyperbole. Wether you will succeed or not is written in the future. This game is famous for its meta-gaming and the game is not over yet.
Jade is not the one who made an ass of them selves on more than one occasion and then broke the EULA. I realize a small fraction of people voted for him from the Eve population and most of them have ALTs too. I believe most people outside of Eve know that everyone makes mistakes and those same people have to sometimes have to pay for them. Saying that its people like Jades fault that Eves name is being put in the dirt is your attempt at deflecting at best. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
232
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:16:00 -
[2690] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
enough said
Sorry but we started our Roadhouse love-in WAY before 92:46 AM. Check the timestamps of our first post, it was like 89:14AM at the absolute latest |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:17:00 -
[2691] - Quote
Shepard Book wrote:Lexmana wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:bringing the game into disrepute for his actions at fanfest While his on the spur of the moment comment during Q&A was poorly chosen and indeed out of line, it is people like yourself that has been trying to put this game into disrepute by your actions and hyperbole. Wether you will succeed or not is written in the future. This game is famous for its meta-gaming and the game is not over yet. Jade is not the one who made an ass of them selves on more than one occasion and then broke the EULA. I realize a small fraction of people voted for him from the Eve population and most of them have ALTs too. I believe most people outside of Eve know that everyone makes mistakes and those same people have to sometimes have to pay for them. Saying that its people like Jades fault that Eves name is being put in the dirt is your attempt at deflecting at best. If he would keep his word and resign from the CSM most of this would be gone not just growing larger every day and further embarrassing EVE. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Mr Celsius
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:18:00 -
[2692] - Quote
Xython wrote:Rao Kappa wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittani has to go, there is no other way. Or else ? Biscuits. Biscuits for everyone. Wait, are we talking US Biscuits, or UK Biscuits? THIS IS VITAL INFORMATION
I suggest US biscuits they are better for mopping up the gravy. (goon tears) |

Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:22:00 -
[2693] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Shepard Book wrote:Lexmana wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:bringing the game into disrepute for his actions at fanfest While his on the spur of the moment comment during Q&A was poorly chosen and indeed out of line, it is people like yourself that has been trying to put this game into disrepute by your actions and hyperbole. Wether you will succeed or not is written in the future. This game is famous for its meta-gaming and the game is not over yet. Jade is not the one who made an ass of them selves on more than one occasion and then broke the EULA. I realize a small fraction of people voted for him from the Eve population and most of them have ALTs too. I believe most people outside of Eve know that everyone makes mistakes and those same people have to sometimes have to pay for them. Saying that its people like Jades fault that Eves name is being put in the dirt is your attempt at deflecting at best. If he would keep his word and resign from the CSM most of this would be gone not just growing larger every day and further embarrassing EVE.
I agree. He still might get banned either way though. Does it really surprise you he is not stepping down after he said he would? I am waiting to seeing how CCP handles this. |

The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:18:00 -
[2694] - Quote
Shepard Book wrote:
I agree. He still might get banned either way though. Does it really surprise you he is not stepping down after he said he would? I am waiting to seeing how CCP handles this.
He's defined by his persona - he suffered a moment of clarity after landing but has since shaken it off. I don't see this kid resigning willingly - he's way to invested.
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hioshi IV
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:30:00 -
[2695] - Quote
Having had two friends commit suicide because of bullying in school over several years, this whole mess strikes my nerve pretty good...
It's not just a embarrassment for CCP, for EVE and all his players, it's a social disgrace someone wishes someone else to die, even provoking other people to make sure he dies.
I sincerely hope CCP does not let mitanus remain on CSM because that would send all the wrong signals.
Cyber bullying is OK? that is def. not a good signal to send, is it ?
Nothing happens if you are a psychopathic in RL? Im pretty sure something nasty would happen to him if he did this in RL in some school or corporation.
Matter if pretty simple: For CCP sake, for EVE sake and for all of us standard players sake, he must not be allowed to remain as chairman, cant be allowed in CSM where "ALL" player base is supposedly represented, and cannot be allowed to remain active in game to CCP and EVE sake.
Also: it's not the 1st time he wishes someone else to die in RL, been drunk cannot be used as a excuse, the story was on his PP.
I have faight in CCP to do the right thing, the hole industry is watching. |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
478
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:33:00 -
[2696] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Frying Doom wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Its by no means clear as yet whether he will be keeping his word. I get the impression he's playing for time, trying to see what (if any) formal punishment there will be from CCP for bringing the game into disrepute for his actions at fanfest, and trying to assess whether he can use the "CSM begged me to stay!" line to keep himself in position. All in all its still a pretty disgraceful display from Alexander Gianturco and if he truly had the game's interests at heart his resignation would have been swift and decisive rather than all this snakiness and trying to find a way to role out from under the consequences of his actions. Another devastating piece of insight from official Eve playerbase spokesperson (and hater of Roadhouse), Jade Constantine. I too am sure that the Master Larper is just "playing for time" and not asleep after being thousands of miles away from home at a certain Eve fan gathering these past few days. Well its good to see we have people like you to fill the void while he is asleep  We can always play a game of "which goon is the mittani's posting alts" while we wait 
Or yours.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
478
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:34:00 -
[2697] - Quote
hioshi IV wrote:Having had two friends commit suicide because of bullying in school over several years, this whole mess strikes my nerve pretty good...
It's not just a embarrassment for CCP, for EVE and all his players, it's a social disgrace someone wishes someone else to die, even provoking other people to make sure he dies.
I sincerely hope CCP does not let mitanus remain on CSM because that would send all the wrong signals.
Cyber bullying is OK? that is def. not a good signal to send, is it ?
Nothing happens if you are a psychopathic in RL? Im pretty sure something nasty would happen to him if he did this in RL in some school or corporation.
Matter if pretty simple: For CCP sake, for EVE sake and for all of us standard players sake, he must not be allowed to remain as chairman, cant be allowed in CSM where "ALL" player base is supposedly represented, and cannot be allowed to remain active in game to CCP and EVE sake.
Also: it's not the 1st time he wishes someone else to die in RL, been drunk cannot be used as a excuse, the story was on his PP.
I have faight in CCP to do the right thing, the hole industry is watching.
It's not the bully's fault someone killed their self.
It's the instability of the individual and you represent what is wrong with the world today. Nobody accepts responsibility for their actions, unlike Alex, who has.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:39:00 -
[2698] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:
It's not the bully's fault someone killed their self.
That's quite the sophomoric excuse.
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JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:44:00 -
[2699] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:
It's not the bully's fault someone killed their self.
And R A P E (why is "****" censored?) vicitms shouldn't dress provocativly? Your line of arguement is nothing short of moronic and offensive to people who have lost loved ones to this sort of behaviour. The victim of bullying is not the one to blame. |

Rhinanna
CyberShield Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION
119
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:52:00 -
[2700] - Quote
Jesus....
Seriously, he made a ****-up while pissed, then soon as he realised what he had done, apologized and tried to make amends.
I can't see how he could of been expected to do much more than what he has already done, the mistake is already made, if the person he insulted has accepted the apology and I hope mittans sent him a chunk of ISK as well, then its story over. Everyone makes mistakes.
He may be a goon and a lawyer but he is still a human being, vaguely at least ;)
PS. Not a goon, never been a goon and not a Mittani fan, but fair is fair after all.
-The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á |
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:54:00 -
[2701] - Quote
ts actually fun to watch how far this thread is spining by now. |

Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:56:00 -
[2702] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:hioshi IV wrote:Having had two friends commit suicide because of bullying in school over several years, this whole mess strikes my nerve pretty good...
It's not just a embarrassment for CCP, for EVE and all his players, it's a social disgrace someone wishes someone else to die, even provoking other people to make sure he dies.
I sincerely hope CCP does not let mitanus remain on CSM because that would send all the wrong signals.
Cyber bullying is OK? that is def. not a good signal to send, is it ?
Nothing happens if you are a psychopathic in RL? Im pretty sure something nasty would happen to him if he did this in RL in some school or corporation.
Matter if pretty simple: For CCP sake, for EVE sake and for all of us standard players sake, he must not be allowed to remain as chairman, cant be allowed in CSM where "ALL" player base is supposedly represented, and cannot be allowed to remain active in game to CCP and EVE sake.
Also: it's not the 1st time he wishes someone else to die in RL, been drunk cannot be used as a excuse, the story was on his PP.
I have faight in CCP to do the right thing, the hole industry is watching. It's not the bully's fault someone killed their self. It's the instability of the individual and you represent what is wrong with the world today. Nobody accepts responsibility for their actions, unlike Alex, who has.
So you are saying he accepted responsibility by saying he was going to step down and not do it? I guess that is what you represent then... People who say they will do something and not do it. He has not accepted responsibility until CCP decides how to deal with his actions for him IMO. What that will be, we will see. |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:56:00 -
[2703] - Quote
I luv goats... |

SOV Diplomat
Soveriegn HR Holdings
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:03:00 -
[2704] - Quote
You are all a bunch of crybaby biotches. No joke at all. Each and everyone of you people in EVE get made fun of, especially all you Carebearing mofos. I personally hope you all die in a fire IRL, will i say i am sorry? Nope. |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:06:00 -
[2705] - Quote
SOV Diplomat wrote:You are all a bunch of crybaby biotches. No joke at all. Each and everyone of you people in EVE get made fun of, especially all you Carebearing mofos. I personally hope you all die in a fire IRL, will i say i am sorry? Nope.
Oh God you bully mean man!!! Daaaaaaaaaaaddddddd he will hurt us! |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:07:00 -
[2706] - Quote
Doc Severide wrote:I luv goats...
In a manly way? |

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
31
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:07:00 -
[2707] - Quote
Rhinanna wrote:Jesus....
Seriously, he made a ****-up while pissed, then soon as he realised what he had done, apologized and tried to make amends.
I can't see how he could of been expected to do much more than what he has already done, the mistake is already made, if the person he insulted has accepted the apology and I hope mittans sent him a chunk of ISK as well, then its story over. Everyone makes mistakes.
He may be a goon and a lawyer but he is still a human being, vaguely at least ;)
PS. Not a goon, never been a goon and not a Mittani fan, but fair is fair after all.
I don't think you get the issue here. It's that the elected chair of the players' representative council said this live to camera, in front of the world's gaming press. It's that the gaming community in EVE have a right to express disgust at his conduct. It's that we who voted for him, despite his in-game antics (which I have no issue with), feel let down.
His Goon-hood has nothing to do with it - because this wasn't an in-game thing The Mittani (player Alex Gianturco) did, it was an out of game cyberbullying attack by Alex Gianturco, who happens to play a character in-game called The Mittani.
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SOV Diplomat
Soveriegn HR Holdings
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:07:00 -
[2708] - Quote
Welsige wrote:SOV Diplomat wrote:You are all a bunch of crybaby biotches. No joke at all. Each and everyone of you people in EVE get made fun of, especially all you Carebearing mofos. I personally hope you all die in a fire IRL, will i say i am sorry? Nope. Oh God you bully mean man!!! Daaaaaaaaaaaddddddd he will hurt us! you know it. |

Everseeker
Northgate
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:19:00 -
[2709] - Quote
You are all missing 1 simple fact He CAN'T resign at the moment... Well, he can, but he would only be resigning from the post he CURRENTLY holds..... He has to wait for CCP to formally induct them (New NDA'S and all...) THEN he can resign
If he submitted a resignation today, NOW, you dolts would all be deleriously happy... right up to the point where CCP invests him in the next council.....
He Said he would step down, and I assume that he will. As soon as he has a place to step down FROM.....
To SOV Diplomat... Ummm, you DO know that CCP has banned people for the use of that exact phrase (when directed at CCP) Are you perhaps testing? to see if CCP is 2 faced or the like?
Is it WISE to test a Viking? |

Everseeker
Northgate
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:27:00 -
[2710] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote: {stuff} this wasn't an in-game thing The Mittani (player Alex Gianturco) did, it was an out of game cyberbullying attack by Alex Gianturco, who happens to play a character in-game called The Mittani.
Actually, it was a group of people on a stage, acting as the leader of various Alliances/Corps... Alex Gianturco? - Never heard of him.... Did not see him... Would not know him if I FELL on him The Mittani? - Yup, he was there. Representing his Goons. Wearing a Wizard Hat at one point... Stuff that was said, was MOST DEFINATLY said by Mittens... If it Walked like Mittens Talked like Mittens Was toasty like Mittens then it was PROBABLY not a Toaster..... |
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DarkWrath
Twilight Penguin Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:29:00 -
[2711] - Quote
Rhinanna wrote:Jesus....
Seriously, he made a ****-up while pissed, then soon as he realised what he had done, apologized and tried to make amends.
I can't see how he could of been expected to do much more than what he has already done, the mistake is already made, if the person he insulted has accepted the apology and I hope mittans sent him a chunk of ISK as well, then its story over. Everyone makes mistakes.
He may be a goon and a lawyer but he is still a human being, vaguely at least ;)
PS. Not a goon, never been a goon and not a Mittani fan, but fair is fair after all.
Two things:
- He's an elected official representing thousands of players, because of this his actions are scrutinized. The fact that he's drunk does not excuse his actions.
- Imo the only reason he apologized is because of the shitstorm his comments have created, if this had not been blown out of proportion like it has he wouldn't have cared.
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:29:00 -
[2712] - Quote
Everseeker wrote:You are all missing 1 simple fact He CAN'T resign at the moment... Well, he can, but he would only be resigning from the post he CURRENTLY holds..... He has to wait for CCP to formally induct them (New NDA'S and all...) THEN he can resign
If he submitted a resignation today, NOW, you dolts would all be deleriously happy... right up to the point where CCP invests him in the next council.....
He Said he would step down, and I assume that he will. As soon as he has a place to step down FROM.....
To SOV Diplomat... Ummm, you DO know that CCP has banned people for the use of that exact phrase (when directed at CCP) Are you perhaps testing? to see if CCP is 2 faced or the like?
Is it WISE to test a Viking? Actually resigning now he can do but it would just be refusing the place in CSM 7 rather than resigning. Same Thing really. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Lomarro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:39:00 -
[2713] - Quote
DarkWrath wrote:Rhinanna wrote:Jesus....
Seriously, he made a ****-up while pissed, then soon as he realised what he had done, apologized and tried to make amends.
I can't see how he could of been expected to do much more than what he has already done, the mistake is already made, if the person he insulted has accepted the apology and I hope mittans sent him a chunk of ISK as well, then its story over. Everyone makes mistakes.
He may be a goon and a lawyer but he is still a human being, vaguely at least ;)
PS. Not a goon, never been a goon and not a Mittani fan, but fair is fair after all.
Two things:
- He's an elected official representing thousands of players, because of this his actions are scrutinized. The fact that he's drunk does not excuse his actions.
- Imo the only reason he apologized is because of the shitstorm his comments have created, if this had not been blown out of proportion like it has he wouldn't have cared.
why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
|

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:41:00 -
[2714] - Quote
Lomarro wrote:why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
Do they? What kind of crappy third world country do you live in, that's pathetic. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Ashuva Uesugi
STAHLSTURM
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:42:00 -
[2715] - Quote
He paid allready more then 10 Billions to his Victim, i know it from the Victim himself.
Also he apologized via ingame mail to him, that you should know too.
|

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
32
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:43:00 -
[2716] - Quote
Everseeker wrote:
Actually, it was a group of people on a stage, acting as the leader of various Alliances/Corps... Alex Gianturco? - Never heard of him.... Did not see him... Would not know him if I FELL on him The Mittani? - Yup, he was there. Representing his Goons. Wearing a Wizard Hat at one point... Stuff that was said, was MOST DEFINATLY said by Mittens... If it Walked like Mittens Talked like Mittens Was toasty like Mittens then it was PROBABLY not a Toaster.....
There are, of course, a number of problems with this.
He's shared out-of-game tears, which included information that a player was suicidal. He then invites people with the words, "Incidentally, if you wanna make the guy go kill himself, his name is The Wis. He has his own corp. Find him." None of that suggests he was speaking strickly in-game. It might have started in-game, but it moved rapidly from in-game griefing, to out-of-game bullying.
Also, and I'm sorry to say this, but he was introduced as "the guy who is fixing titans" - that's not something Mittens is doing, it's something Alex is trying to get done as a CSM policy.
The idea that somehow this was said "in-character" (something the player has said he doesn't do anyway) and that excuses it is daft, and certainly not a view not shared by the gaming press, who are the ones making hay out of this.
PR-wise CCP and / or the CSM need to make a clear break with this story, or it's going to haunt them for the next 12 months. That can't be done by explaining it was "in-character" - or at least that's a risky strategy. Far easier to cut the liability loose. |

Lomarro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:45:00 -
[2717] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Lomarro wrote:why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
Do they? What kind of crappy third world country do you live in, that's pathetic.
aslong a country dont breed isslerboys like you, it cant be crappy
|

Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:45:00 -
[2718] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Lomarro wrote:why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
Do they? What kind of crappy third world country do you live in, that's pathetic.
Some shithole that's for sure. In here you won't find a way to get out of trouble if there was ANY alcohol involved. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
114
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:46:00 -
[2719] - Quote
Lomarro wrote: why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
I know riiiight....?????? |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
151
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:47:00 -
[2720] - Quote
little precious bees still crying delicious tears |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:48:00 -
[2721] - Quote
Lomarro wrote:aslong a country dont breed isslerboys like you, it cant be crappy
I presume you cant write the current international language well. Bravo for trying, the multilingual should be applauded. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Lomarro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:49:00 -
[2722] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Lomarro wrote:aslong a country dont breed isslerboys like you, it cant be crappy
I presume you cant write the current international language well. Bravo for trying, the multilingual should be applauded.
or you are not worth the effort
|

1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:51:00 -
[2723] - Quote
I find his behavior shameful for the entire player base and for the game itself.
Only way to settle his is to chop his head off, must be banned from CSM and banned from the game.
There was thru eve history players banned by putting "offensive" words on they bio, by calling names to other players in game channels, how can we possibly stand for this?
Cyber bullying is not something that can be tolerated, not in game, not out of game, not anywhere. period.
|

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
32
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:53:00 -
[2724] - Quote
Lomarro wrote: why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
You're right. That's why he might get away with not getting banned. But this isn't a "here's the hard and fast rules" situation. This is a PR problem, not a "Alex broke the rules" problem.
The PR problem is dealt with by removing him from the CSM. That also addresses the play-base disappointment being expressed. It also send a message that taking griefing out-of-game is not going to be tolerated, without, you know, actually banning a player for a drunken mistake.
But then, it wasn't a drunken mistake. I'm willing to guess he wasn't drunk when he prepared the presentation. It was the presentation itself that gave rise to this whole incident.
That makes it not only a case of bullying - which he might not have intended it to be - but a bad error of judgement. Do we the players want someone who makes these sort of bad judgement calls as CSM chair? Poor judgement makes for a poor leader - and so there's another reason for the CSM to let him go.
Once you break it down, there's not really an upside to letting him stay... unless you hope "it'll blow over", which we know is pie in the sky. Every CSM press release, or news story will link back to this as long as Alex remains CSM chair. It's not going to go away.
|

Samantha Rockpile
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:57:00 -
[2725] - Quote
Lomarro wrote:DarkWrath wrote:Rhinanna wrote:Jesus....
Seriously, he made a ****-up while pissed, then soon as he realised what he had done, apologized and tried to make amends.
I can't see how he could of been expected to do much more than what he has already done, the mistake is already made, if the person he insulted has accepted the apology and I hope mittans sent him a chunk of ISK as well, then its story over. Everyone makes mistakes.
He may be a goon and a lawyer but he is still a human being, vaguely at least ;)
PS. Not a goon, never been a goon and not a Mittani fan, but fair is fair after all.
Two things:
- He's an elected official representing thousands of players, because of this his actions are scrutinized. The fact that he's drunk does not excuse his actions.
- Imo the only reason he apologized is because of the shitstorm his comments have created, if this had not been blown out of proportion like it has he wouldn't have cared.
why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
Really?!... Link Proof or it never happened. And most criminals caught with drugs after an offense get another charge added on to whatever they where doing wrong.
By your logic if I ram into a car full of a young family and kill them all I can just say oh well I was drunk sorry. |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 13:59:00 -
[2726] - Quote
Taihbea wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lomarro wrote:why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
Do they? What kind of crappy third world country do you live in, that's pathetic. Some shithole that's for sure. In here you won't find a way to get out of trouble if there was ANY alcohol involved.
Humm i know countries where presidents had its toy licked at office and walked clean from it. |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:03:00 -
[2727] - Quote
DarkWrath wrote:Two things:
- He's an elected official representing thousands of players, because of this his actions are scrutinized. The fact that he's drunk does not excuse his actions.
- Imo the only reason he apologized is because of the shitstorm his comments have created, if this had not been blown out of proportion like it has he wouldn't have cared.
Is he runing a country of someting? No.
He already appologised to the player and said player is 10bil richer, and at that point the guy was completely ignorant as to what was happening.
Nore than enough by my book.
IMO this thread is far more bullying than the declaration at the pannel.
To fart on someones face is bad. To keep reminding the fart victim of the smell is far worse. |

Samantha Rockpile
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:03:00 -
[2728] - Quote
Welsige wrote:Taihbea wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lomarro wrote:why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
Do they? What kind of crappy third world country do you live in, that's pathetic. Some shithole that's for sure. In here you won't find a way to get out of trouble if there was ANY alcohol involved. Humm i know countries where presidents had its toy licked at office and walked clean from it.
BUT....It didn't involve alcohol.
|

Lomarro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:04:00 -
[2729] - Quote
Samantha Rockpile wrote:Lomarro wrote:DarkWrath wrote:Rhinanna wrote:Jesus....
Seriously, he made a ****-up while pissed, then soon as he realised what he had done, apologized and tried to make amends.
I can't see how he could of been expected to do much more than what he has already done, the mistake is already made, if the person he insulted has accepted the apology and I hope mittans sent him a chunk of ISK as well, then its story over. Everyone makes mistakes.
He may be a goon and a lawyer but he is still a human being, vaguely at least ;)
PS. Not a goon, never been a goon and not a Mittani fan, but fair is fair after all.
Two things:
- He's an elected official representing thousands of players, because of this his actions are scrutinized. The fact that he's drunk does not excuse his actions.
- Imo the only reason he apologized is because of the shitstorm his comments have created, if this had not been blown out of proportion like it has he wouldn't have cared.
why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs Really?!... Link Proof or it never happened. And most criminals caught with drugs after an offense get another charge added on to whatever they where doing wrong. By your logic if I ram into a car full of a young family and kill them all I can just say oh well I was drunk sorry.
a man goes on the streets and intentionally kills someone else. another man does the same but is so drugged he can barrely walk
which one gets the harder punishment? |

Yanto Widowmaker
Warpdrive Logistics
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:05:00 -
[2730] - Quote
Wow! Before I had a sense of pride about being an EvE player.
Matanni, you ruined the image of my game in the eyes of the world!  |
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KanashiiKami
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:06:00 -
[2731] - Quote
cmon CCP ... ban alex giantwadshisname (aka mittani )... all accounts WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:08:00 -
[2732] - Quote
Yanto Widowmaker wrote:Wow! Before I had a sense of pride about being an EvE player. Matanni, you ruined the image of my game in the eyes of the world! 
i agree
cmon CCP ... lets see some full account bans ...
WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:10:00 -
[2733] - Quote
Lomarro wrote:Samantha Rockpile wrote:Lomarro wrote:DarkWrath wrote:Rhinanna wrote:Jesus....
Seriously, he made a ****-up while pissed, then soon as he realised what he had done, apologized and tried to make amends.
I can't see how he could of been expected to do much more than what he has already done, the mistake is already made, if the person he insulted has accepted the apology and I hope mittans sent him a chunk of ISK as well, then its story over. Everyone makes mistakes.
He may be a goon and a lawyer but he is still a human being, vaguely at least ;)
PS. Not a goon, never been a goon and not a Mittani fan, but fair is fair after all.
Two things:
- He's an elected official representing thousands of players, because of this his actions are scrutinized. The fact that he's drunk does not excuse his actions.
- Imo the only reason he apologized is because of the shitstorm his comments have created, if this had not been blown out of proportion like it has he wouldn't have cared.
why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs Really?!... Link Proof or it never happened. And most criminals caught with drugs after an offense get another charge added on to whatever they where doing wrong. By your logic if I ram into a car full of a young family and kill them all I can just say oh well I was drunk sorry. a man goes on the streets and intentionally kills someone else. another man does the same but is so drugged he can barely walk which one gets the harder punishment?
bottomline ... they are both wrong
and so is mittani
account ban pls tyvm CCP
WUT ??? |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:10:00 -
[2734] - Quote
Samantha Rockpile wrote:Welsige wrote:Taihbea wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lomarro wrote:why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
Do they? What kind of crappy third world country do you live in, that's pathetic. Some shithole that's for sure. In here you won't find a way to get out of trouble if there was ANY alcohol involved. Humm i know countries where presidents had its toy licked at office and walked clean from it. BUT....It didn't involve alcohol.
Just crapy world dont have to be thrird worlds.
BTW, are you showing prejudice against 3rd world countries? Should i report you?
Hummm..... these bullyies are all around, you know.
People should look at their own belly buttons sometimes. |

low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:10:00 -
[2735] - Quote
Welsige wrote:Taihbea wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lomarro wrote:why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
Do they? What kind of crappy third world country do you live in, that's pathetic. Some shithole that's for sure. In here you won't find a way to get out of trouble if there was ANY alcohol involved. Humm i know countries where presidents had its toy licked at office and walked clean from it.
First off he was not in trouble for "getting his toy licked" he was in trouble for lying to a grand jury. He was also impeached by the House of Representatives for it but there was not enough votes in his Senate trial to remove him from office. He also lost his law license and was barred from ever arguing in front of the Supreme Court. So there were consequences for his actions. |

Samantha Rockpile
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:10:00 -
[2736] - Quote
Lomarro wrote:Samantha Rockpile wrote:Lomarro wrote:DarkWrath wrote:Rhinanna wrote:Jesus....
Seriously, he made a ****-up while pissed, then soon as he realised what he had done, apologized and tried to make amends.
I can't see how he could of been expected to do much more than what he has already done, the mistake is already made, if the person he insulted has accepted the apology and I hope mittans sent him a chunk of ISK as well, then its story over. Everyone makes mistakes.
He may be a goon and a lawyer but he is still a human being, vaguely at least ;)
PS. Not a goon, never been a goon and not a Mittani fan, but fair is fair after all.
Two things:
- He's an elected official representing thousands of players, because of this his actions are scrutinized. The fact that he's drunk does not excuse his actions.
- Imo the only reason he apologized is because of the shitstorm his comments have created, if this had not been blown out of proportion like it has he wouldn't have cared.
why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs Really?!... Link Proof or it never happened. And most criminals caught with drugs after an offense get another charge added on to whatever they where doing wrong. By your logic if I ram into a car full of a young family and kill them all I can just say oh well I was drunk sorry. a man goes on the streets and intentionally kills someone else. another man does the same but is so drugged he can barrely walk which one gets the harder punishment?
1. Depends on the JURY they decide (Playerbase) 2. They both get jail time regardless. 3. Both suffer from a life of trying to recover from something in their life they cant change. 4. Possible Monetary payments depending on Civil suit. (If One) 5. Both can never get a decent restart on life as they are both labeled threats to society.
I don't really see much difference in the punishment. |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:12:00 -
[2737] - Quote
Yanto Widowmaker wrote:Wow! Before I had a sense of pride about being an EvE player. Matanni, you ruined the image of my game in the eyes of the world! 
The world dont care. It plays world of warcraft. |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:15:00 -
[2738] - Quote
low26 wrote:Welsige wrote:Taihbea wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lomarro wrote:why is being drunk not a excuse? there are criminals get lesser punishment for real and far more serious crimes when they are under drugs
Do they? What kind of crappy third world country do you live in, that's pathetic. Some shithole that's for sure. In here you won't find a way to get out of trouble if there was ANY alcohol involved. Humm i know countries where presidents had its toy licked at office and walked clean from it. First off he was not in trouble for "getting his toy licked" he was in trouble for lying to a grand jury. He was also impeached by the House of Representatives for it but there was not enough votes in his Senate trial to remove him from office. He also lost his law license and was barred from ever arguing in front of the Supreme Court. So there were consequences for his actions.
Yeah but did he resigned? Did he finished his term?
10 bil was given, appologies was given. Guy (drama queen) is fine. Move on. |

Samantha Rockpile
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:17:00 -
[2739] - Quote
I just Checked My belly Button....No Third World Country there......found some lint though! :D |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
140
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:20:00 -
[2740] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:little precious bees still crying delicious tears
You are sounding like a cyber-bully.  |
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low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:30:00 -
[2741] - Quote
Humm i know countries where presidents had its toy licked at office and walked clean from it.[/quote]
First off he was not in trouble for "getting his toy licked" he was in trouble for lying to a grand jury. He was also impeached by the House of Representatives for it but there was not enough votes in his Senate trial to remove him from office. He also lost his law license and was barred from ever arguing in front of the Supreme Court. So there were consequences for his actions.[/quote]
Yeah but did he resigned? Did he finished his term?
10 bil was given, appologies was given. Guy (drama queen) is fine. Move on.[/quote]
True, He finished his term because the politics going on in the Senate from the media schilling for him. (sound familiar) It is also still a point of contention to this day. (see what I did there) |

Keen Fallsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:34:00 -
[2742] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine
You are stupid and you dont know about it yet.. |

Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:34:00 -
[2743] - Quote
Laying it to rest.
This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.
The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:
1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it. 2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.
Nothing clever at this time. |

Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:36:00 -
[2744] - Quote
Nick Bison wrote:Laying it to rest.
This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.
The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:
1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it. 2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.
^-- This --^ |

KanashiiKami
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:43:00 -
[2745] - Quote
Nick Bison wrote:Laying it to rest.
This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.
The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:
1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it. 2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.
not enough. CCP pls consider full account BAN on mittani
WUT ??? |

xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:56:00 -
[2746] - Quote
You know, here is the thing. Sure, goons push the very extents of the envelope beyond the black lines in to undetermined grey space. At least they do what is expected, if you expect anything different like they are suddenly coming to Jesus or something, you deserve whatever forum level and in game embarrassment you get.
Where is all the upheaval about all the Band of Developers (oops, sry BoB) shadows that still exist and perpetuate certain mechanic exploits? See, that is beyond the black and grey lines and you fail to call those elements out in to the public forum. Hypocrisy always has blinders on. People cannot call out the real truth because it hits too close to home. Goons have neither won or lost here, they are playing their game, that is it. All the tears and agony are right up their game play methods and you fell right in to it.
I would suggest that all the cry baby wanna be, do gooder white knight, increase CCP Gov'ment rules regulation, tree hugging, environmentalist, commy bass turd, low life, social game reject, suck asses go find a different game to play that only has pretty jeweled NPCs in it, cause playing a MMO that has combat interaction is obviously too much for you, not to mention and meta game attributes. |

Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 15:01:00 -
[2747] - Quote
xXv1c10usXx wrote:You know, here is the thing. Sure, goons push the very extents of the envelope beyond the black lines in to undetermined grey space. At least they do what is expected, if you expect anything different like they are suddenly coming to Jesus or something, you deserve whatever forum level and in game embarrassment you get.
Where is all the upheaval about all the Band of Developers (oops, sry BoB) shadows that still exist and perpetuate certain mechanic exploits? See, that is beyond the black and grey lines and you fail to call those elements out in to the public forum. Hypocrisy always has blinders on. People cannot call out the real truth because it hits too close to home. Goons have neither won or lost here, they are playing their game, that is it. All the tears and agony are right up their game play methods and you fell right in to it.
I would suggest that all the cry baby wanna be, do gooder white knight, increase CCP Gov'ment rules regulation, tree hugging, environmentalist, commy bass turd, low life, social game reject, suck asses go find a different game to play that only has pretty jeweled NPCs in it, cause playing a MMO that has combat interaction is obviously too much for you, not to mention and meta game attributes.
Wtf are you on about?
PS: DId you really need to write the same thing twice in both threads? |

xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 15:05:00 -
[2748] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:xXv1c10usXx wrote:You know, here is the thing. Sure, goons push the very extents of the envelope beyond the black lines in to undetermined grey space. At least they do what is expected, if you expect anything different like they are suddenly coming to Jesus or something, you deserve whatever forum level and in game embarrassment you get.
Where is all the upheaval about all the Band of Developers (oops, sry BoB) shadows that still exist and perpetuate certain mechanic exploits? See, that is beyond the black and grey lines and you fail to call those elements out in to the public forum. Hypocrisy always has blinders on. People cannot call out the real truth because it hits too close to home. Goons have neither won or lost here, they are playing their game, that is it. All the tears and agony are right up their game play methods and you fell right in to it.
I would suggest that all the cry baby wanna be, do gooder white knight, increase CCP Gov'ment rules regulation, tree hugging, environmentalist, commy bass turd, low life, social game reject, suck asses go find a different game to play that only has pretty jeweled NPCs in it, cause playing a MMO that has combat interaction is obviously too much for you, not to mention and meta game attributes. Wtf are you on about? PS: DId you really need to write the same thing twice in both threads?
Yes, because it was worth repeating. Such as numerous other posters... Wanted to make sure and catch both streams of unconscious dribble about the so called fairness doctrine when life ins't fair and this stream of BS is still BS. |

ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
69
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 15:07:00 -
[2749] - Quote
Nick Bison wrote:Laying it to rest.
This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.
The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:
1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it. 2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.
3. Roadhouse is a most excellent film |

Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 15:12:00 -
[2750] - Quote
xXv1c10usXx wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:xXv1c10usXx wrote:You know, here is the thing. Sure, goons push the very extents of the envelope beyond the black lines in to undetermined grey space. At least they do what is expected, if you expect anything different like they are suddenly coming to Jesus or something, you deserve whatever forum level and in game embarrassment you get.
Where is all the upheaval about all the Band of Developers (oops, sry BoB) shadows that still exist and perpetuate certain mechanic exploits? See, that is beyond the black and grey lines and you fail to call those elements out in to the public forum. Hypocrisy always has blinders on. People cannot call out the real truth because it hits too close to home. Goons have neither won or lost here, they are playing their game, that is it. All the tears and agony are right up their game play methods and you fell right in to it.
I would suggest that all the cry baby wanna be, do gooder white knight, increase CCP Gov'ment rules regulation, tree hugging, environmentalist, commy bass turd, low life, social game reject, suck asses go find a different game to play that only has pretty jeweled NPCs in it, cause playing a MMO that has combat interaction is obviously too much for you, not to mention and meta game attributes. Wtf are you on about? PS: DId you really need to write the same thing twice in both threads? Yes, because it was worth repeating. Such as numerous other posters... Wanted to make sure and catch both streams of unconscious dribble about the so called fairness doctrine when life ins't fair and this stream of BS is still BS.
Well I'm parital to agree with you to some extent, but I must admit bringing up BoB is beating a dead horse at this point. As for rejects, well pot meet kettle, I'm sure many would argue the merits of being on an MMO versus real life. But yes, I would not expect anything less from the mittani, like any good politician he is working as intended, and like a human being he has ****** up like every other human being. Everyone else is simply pushing their own agenda when it doesn't matter at all as long as the wis is alright, if he threatens suicide well he will have to live with such claims as it's nothing that is taken lightly, even if he faked it. Wether or not the mittani matches eula things or not this is a blemish on his record regardless hence the great outcry that has taken place. But I digress, I would just be patient, something 'has' to happen cause if nothing happens this thread will continue on and on.
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:23:00 -
[2751] - Quote
and on Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Bobmon
Chaos Mercenaries BLACK-MARK
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:25:00 -
[2752] - Quote
MITTANI FOR CSM 7
DONT ***** IT HAPPENS IN REAL LIFE PEOPLE DO MORE STUPID **** THAN THIS |

Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:27:00 -
[2753] - Quote
Strangers waiting... Up and down the boulevard...
You all have "Don't stop believing." stuck in your heads, deal with it. |

Lexmana
Imperial Stout
324
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:29:00 -
[2754] - Quote
Nick Bison wrote:Laying it to rest.
This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.
The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:
1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it. 2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.
He might be back sooner than you think if he completes his resignation.
He is currently chair of CSM6. He could resign today and CSM can issue a statement. But on April 4th he will be offered the chair of CSM7 that he must accept because of the 10k votes.
See, problem solved. |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:35:00 -
[2755] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Laying it to rest.
This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.
The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:
1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it. 2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.
not enough. CCP pls consider full account BAN on mittani
Yes, ban him for something outside of the game!
Some people's logic is gloriously bad.
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:36:00 -
[2756] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Laying it to rest.
This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.
The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:
1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it. 2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.
3. Roadhouse is a most excellent film
4. Roadhouse is really a documentary. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
521
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:38:00 -
[2757] - Quote
So if we start talking about how this thread hasn't been locked will it get locked? Since that's talking about moderation and that gets threads locked?
I'm confused. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
775
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:42:00 -
[2758] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Laying it to rest.
This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.
The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:
1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it. 2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.
not enough. CCP pls consider full account BAN on mittani Yes, ban him for something outside of the game! Some people's logic is gloriously bad.
If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:42:00 -
[2759] - Quote
Xython wrote:So if we start talking about how this thread hasn't been locked will it get locked? Since that's talking about moderation and that gets threads locked?
I'm confused.
Have a beer. |

The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:43:00 -
[2760] - Quote
CCP's in a spot.
They really don't need additional negative press, and seeing if this thing will blow over is the logical first step. Then one of three things may happen:
CCP allows the guy to step down quietly - the mob is placated, and the Goons get over it. No dev blog needed - no press release - end of story.
CCP removes him from the CSM and issuing a temporary ban ( probably the most likely outcome ), followed by a simple clear cut statement regarding the rules. The mob is pleased, and the Goons have no leg to stand on.
CCP makes an example of him, forcibly removing him from his seat, and issuing a permanent ban along with a formal statement is another solution - albeit a more polarizing one. The mob is shocked at the severity of it, and the Goons get bent. |
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:43:00 -
[2761] - Quote
SOV Diplomat wrote:You are all a bunch of crybaby biotches. No joke at all. Each and everyone of you people in EVE get made fun of, especially all you Carebearing mofos. I personally hope you all die in a fire IRL, will i say i am sorry? Nope.
Says someone who doesn't have any kills or losses.  |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1629
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:44:00 -
[2762] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Laying it to rest.
This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.
The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:
1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it. 2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.
not enough. CCP pls consider full account BAN on mittani Yes, ban him for something outside of the game! Some people's logic is gloriously bad. If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Surely that would mean he couldn't be CSM chair anymore since he wouldn't be allowed to represent the CSM at fanfest?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:49:00 -
[2763] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?
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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:54:00 -
[2764] - Quote
The F Word wrote:CCP's in a spot.
They really don't need additional negative press, and seeing if this thing will blow over is the logical first step. Then one of three things may happen:
CCP allows the guy to step down quietly - the mob is placated, and the Goons get over it. No dev blog needed - no press release - end of story.
CCP removes him from the CSM and issuing a temporary ban ( probably the most likely outcome ), followed by a simple clear cut statement regarding the rules. The mob is pleased, and the Goons have no leg to stand on.
CCP makes an example of him, forcibly removing him from his seat, and issuing a permanent ban along with a formal statement is another solution - albeit a more polarizing one. The mob is shocked at the severity of it, and the Goons get bent. I think there are far more outcomes than those 3... 'Nothing happens' is clearly a likely outcome, however as CCP themselves have created a petition against him for player harassment we're most likely looking at either your option 2 or 3.
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:54:00 -
[2765] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?
Just imagine it, you about to enter fanfest...then they force you to read the 10 pages worth of EULA/TOS, all in small print. I would rather about turn and go to the local brew. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1631
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:56:00 -
[2766] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?
Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:57:00 -
[2767] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ? Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?
Don't think it matters what happens to his accounts as opposed to being locked up in which he wouldn't get to play those accounts anyway. Which I'm surprised there has been no legal backlash about this beyond these petty talks of EULA and TOS. |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
205
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:58:00 -
[2768] - Quote
honestly Mittenz should step down as chairman but remain in the CSM...
10 k people did vote for him so he should remain but has also lost the privilige of being chairman... Personally this is a good compromise. |

The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:59:00 -
[2769] - Quote
Arrs Grazznic wrote:The F Word wrote:CCP's in a spot.
They really don't need additional negative press, and seeing if this thing will blow over is the logical first step. Then one of three things may happen:
CCP allows the guy to step down quietly - the mob is placated, and the Goons get over it. No dev blog needed - no press release - end of story.
CCP removes him from the CSM and issuing a temporary ban ( probably the most likely outcome ), followed by a simple clear cut statement regarding the rules. The mob is pleased, and the Goons have no leg to stand on.
CCP makes an example of him, forcibly removing him from his seat, and issuing a permanent ban along with a formal statement is another solution - albeit a more polarizing one. The mob is shocked at the severity of it, and the Goons get bent. I think there are far more outcomes than those 3... 'Nothing happens' is clearly a likely outcome, however as CCP themselves have created a petition against him for player harassment we're most likely looking at either your option 2 or 3.
Of course, but the solution has become binary regardless, for one side to win, one side must lose. Doing nothing will have an outcome in and of itself. I'm guessing the 2nd or 3rd. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:59:00 -
[2770] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ? Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?
Yes, I see no legal basis for banning such a player from Eve Online, ordinary real-life charges aside.
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
150
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:59:00 -
[2771] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ? Just imagine it, you about to enter fanfest...then they force you to read the 10 pages worth of EULA/TOS, all in small print. I would rather about turn and go to the local brew.
There are general rules of conduct that you don't have to sign, which you are accountable for. They're called laws. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1631
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:02:00 -
[2772] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ? Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose? Don't think it matters what happens to his accounts as opposed to being locked up in which he wouldn't get to play those accounts anyway. Which I'm surprised there has been no legal backlash about this beyond these petty talks of EULA and TOS.
Well thats kind of the point. CCP have a line in the TOS that basically says "we can ban all your accounts anytime we want to if we think it appropriate" and its a catch all for this kind of thing.
Somebody sends death threat to Hilmar from their home address with a dead frog inside the envelope then they are going to get banned despite the fact RL doesn't have a specific TOS / EULA. This is why the whole "fanfest isn't covered by the same rules" argument the goons have been making is completely bogus.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
776
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:02:00 -
[2773] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Laying it to rest.
This threadnaught has about run it's "useful" course as we have pretty much two polarized sides that must agree to disagree on this topic.
The only real steps to getting us all to move on (IMHO) would be:
1. Mittani to complete his Step 2 (Resign from CSM) heck, he'll be back in next year but, he said the words, and as a man I would expect him to keep to it. 2. CCP to issue some flavor of an "official" statement.
not enough. CCP pls consider full account BAN on mittani Yes, ban him for something outside of the game! Some people's logic is gloriously bad. If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened? Surely that would mean he couldn't be CSM chair anymore since he wouldn't be allowed to represent the CSM at fanfest?
I do believe that it would!
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:03:00 -
[2774] - Quote
The whole situation reminds me of the Secret Service investigating Eminem about the "I don't rap for dead presidents. I'd rather see the president dead." lyrics.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1631
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:04:00 -
[2775] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ? Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose? Yes, I see no legal basis for banning such a player from Eve Online, ordinary real-life charges aside.
Let me point you at the line in the TOS that will be used to ban you.
(you agree with this when you login to game and pay your sub)
Quote:"CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userGÇÖs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.
We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation."
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

KanashiiKami
41
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:05:00 -
[2776] - Quote
The F Word wrote:CCP's in a spot.
They really don't need additional negative press, and seeing if this thing will blow over is the logical first step. Then one of three things may happen:
CCP allows the guy to step down quietly - the mob is placated, and the Goons get over it. No dev blog needed - no press release - end of story.
CCP removes him from the CSM and issuing a temporary ban ( probably the most likely outcome ), followed by a simple clear cut statement regarding the rules. The mob is pleased, and the Goons have no leg to stand on.
CCP makes an example of him, forcibly removing him from his seat, and issuing a permanent ban along with a formal statement is another solution - albeit a more polarizing one. The mob is shocked at the severity of it, and the Goons get bent.
i do not think goons will be bent ... when CCP impose perma lifetime BAN on him. who knows some one in goons might just get synapses shorted and start another icegank episode?
so goons will still be goons (i m pretty sure about that), and the entire swarm of like minded with whateva they do in EVE (scamming, griefing, etc etc).
it will merely send a strong message, that inciting/suggesting actual violence/suicide or wadeva to that degree on another player in the real physical world does not sit well with CCP, and for that matter us players as well. and for that matter any other game ...
so CCP pls do consider PERMA BAN. who knows because of this piece of good news, people might just come back to subs and replay this game ... WUT ??? |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
74
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:06:00 -
[2777] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:The F Word wrote:CCP's in a spot.
They really don't need additional negative press, and seeing if this thing will blow over is the logical first step. Then one of three things may happen:
CCP allows the guy to step down quietly - the mob is placated, and the Goons get over it. No dev blog needed - no press release - end of story.
CCP removes him from the CSM and issuing a temporary ban ( probably the most likely outcome ), followed by a simple clear cut statement regarding the rules. The mob is pleased, and the Goons have no leg to stand on.
CCP makes an example of him, forcibly removing him from his seat, and issuing a permanent ban along with a formal statement is another solution - albeit a more polarizing one. The mob is shocked at the severity of it, and the Goons get bent. i do not think goons will be bent ... when CCP impose perma lifetime BAN on him. who knows some one in goons might just get synapses shorted and start another icegank episode? so goons will still be goons (i m pretty sure about that), and the entire swarm of like minded with whateva they do in EVE (scamming, griefing, etc etc). it will merely send a strong message, that inciting/suggesting actual violence/suicide or wadeva to that degree on another player in the real physical world does not sit well with CCP, and for that matter us players as well. and for that matter any other game ... so CCP pls do consider PERMA BAN. who knows because of this piece of good news, people might just come back to subs and replay this game ...
Somewhere, your English teacher is sobbing into her Cheerios. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:08:00 -
[2778] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Somebody sends death threat to Hilmar from their home address with a dead frog inside the envelope then they are going to get banned despite the fact RL doesn't have a specific TOS / EULA. This is why the whole "fanfest isn't covered by the same rules" argument the goons have been making is completely bogus.
My opinion is should such a case go in court, the CCP would have hard time explaining how sending death threats outside EVE constitutes a breach of contract.
If someone sent a death threat to Bill Gates, does this invalidate his Windows or Office licenses? |

KanashiiKami
41
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:08:00 -
[2779] - Quote
"CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userGÇÖs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.
We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation."
i am sure CCP will issue a short statement when they BAN him for life. after that, game web community will spread the news like fire .... "cyber bully gets life ban" ... which is = good message WUT ??? |

Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
37
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:08:00 -
[2780] - Quote
Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP. |
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Sleet Rameslay
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:09:00 -
[2781] - Quote
I think he should be removed from his CSM position. Why? Although this is a rough game and if he did in chat channels or on ts it's one thing, but to be on a trip paid for by CCP and technically a Representative for the company and its players for fanfest. He took it way to far on a live broadcast. I wonder if it's against the law in Iceland to try to recruit people to harass someone till death? |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:14:00 -
[2782] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Let me point you at the line in the TOS that will be used to ban you.
I see. Then yes, you're right, if this is actually legal to be in the EULA/TOS
(because, depending on jurisdiction, there exist things that cannot be forfeited in a contract, no matter what).
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The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:15:00 -
[2783] - Quote
Sleet Rameslay wrote:I wonder if it's against the law in Iceland to try to recruit people to harass someone till death?
We might find out... Not that I think any legal action will (or should) come from it. He screwed up - he should probably be banned, and thats the very extent of it.
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KanashiiKami
41
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:15:00 -
[2784] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:honestly Mittenz should step down as chairman but remain in the CSM...
10 k people did vote for him so he should remain but has also lost the privilige of being chairman... Personally this is a good compromise.
so its like, someone commits a crime, the criminal gets to walk because 10000 who likes his "wayward behavior" says he has not done wrong ... (wrong to the tune of suggesting a depressed whining player actually go have his suicide) LOL ! ...
what about the rest of the population who was not in the 10000 ? i am very sure they are not NPC related WUT ??? |

The Breadmaster
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:16:00 -
[2785] - Quote
The CSM published by CCP
Excerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document-
CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT
any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. ____
This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore?
"immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion"
Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether.
What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company handeled it which could open them up for future liability.
Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of this situation outside of the context of Eve.
This is a situation that could end Eve. |

Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
47
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:18:00 -
[2786] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP.
They are hoping this will blow over so they don't behead the swarm. Bee hives have a nasty habit of going crazy when the Queen dies.....
My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale..... |

Piatora
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
122
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:19:00 -
[2787] - Quote
Are we still going on about this? Are you people SO butthurt by goons/mittens that you care this much? Quit trying to white knight a dude who played the oldest online sympathy card there is and just say "We hate Goons and Mittens and we want them all gone". By this point you are doing NOTHING for the community except squealing and hoping that your agenda gets met. If you gave a care about the "cyberbully victim" then you would actually try and talk to him. Counsel him. Give him support. But instead all we get is shiptoasting ALL OVER THE FORUMS about how Mittens sucks, goons suck too, everyone but you and your BFFs should be banned.
Meta-gaming is one thing, but this is becoming obscene. Like I said, if you really care about the dude who "ZOMGZ HE MIGHT KILL HISSELF" then spend your time and energy on him. If CCP is gonna ban Mittens/Goons/Me/You/Whoever then they will do it, any and all chestbeating and whiteknighting and agenda pushing from the likes of us will not accomplish anything besides making us look even stupider to the world at large. Shut up already. |

hioshi IV
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:21:00 -
[2788] - Quote
The Breadmaster wrote:The CSM published by CCPExcerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document- CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. ____ This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore? "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether. What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company handeled it which could open them up for future liability. Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of this situation outside of the context of Eve. This is a situation that could end Eve.
It's not just a case of been the rules, it's also a case of been morally unacceptable to keep him in any CSM position at all.. |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
103
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:21:00 -
[2789] - Quote
Come on guys, you can do better than this. You are STILL 60 pages short of space barbies. Keep posting, that way CCP will have to listen. *rolls eyes* |

Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:21:00 -
[2790] - Quote
Piatora wrote:Are we still going on about this? Are you people SO butthurt by goons/mittens that you care this much? Quit trying to white knight a dude who played the oldest online sympathy card there is and just say "We hate Goons and Mittens and we want them all gone". By this point you are doing NOTHING for the community except squealing and hoping that your agenda gets met. If you gave a care about the "cyberbully victim" then you would actually try and talk to him. Counsel him. Give him support. But instead all we get is shiptoasting ALL OVER THE FORUMS about how Mittens sucks, goons suck too, everyone but you and your BFFs should be banned.
Meta-gaming is one thing, but this is becoming obscene. Like I said, if you really care about the dude who "ZOMGZ HE MIGHT KILL HISSELF" then spend your time and energy on him. If CCP is gonna ban Mittens/Goons/Me/You/Whoever then they will do it, any and all chestbeating and whiteknighting and agenda pushing from the likes of us will not accomplish anything besides making us look even stupider to the world at large. Shut up already.
Hmm if the Goons are big Meta gamers, and this is considered Meta-gaming, can we pull out the old meme about Turnabout ?
My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale..... |
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KanashiiKami
41
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:25:00 -
[2791] - Quote
The F Word wrote:Sleet Rameslay wrote:I wonder if it's against the law in Iceland to try to recruit people to harass someone till death? We might find out... Not that I think any legal action will (or should) come from it. He screwed up - he should probably be banned, and thats the very extent of it.
my concern is not much of real world legalities atm ... apparently the victim was not fussed to that point
i am concerned that CCP takes so long to decide and "investigate" ...
the wrong that is done is clear, whether the target is mental/depressed/divorced or not ... the intention to suggest suicide is there, the coersion (my bad spelling lol) to the crowd present is there ... drunk? i think many evidence point to the fact that it was powerpoint prepped to present the victim to the crowd (in fact multiple victims ... ) ...
he might have gotten off scott free if suicide wasnt highlighted ... but it is very clear ... he was out to demean the victims he had prepped on his slides openly at fanfest ... and particularly this person/victim ... the suicide word mentioned and suggested to other fellow players.
so i do not see anything wrong with a perma BAN on this player WUT ??? |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
778
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:27:00 -
[2792] - Quote
Piatora wrote:Are we still going on about this? Are you people SO butthurt by goons/mittens that you care this much? Quit trying to white knight a dude who played the oldest online sympathy card there is and just say "We hate Goons and Mittens and we want them all gone". By this point you are doing NOTHING for the community except squealing and hoping that your agenda gets met. If you gave a care about the "cyberbully victim" then you would actually try and talk to him. Counsel him. Give him support. But instead all we get is shiptoasting ALL OVER THE FORUMS about how Mittens sucks, goons suck too, everyone but you and your BFFs should be banned.
Meta-gaming is one thing, but this is becoming obscene. Like I said, if you really care about the dude who "ZOMGZ HE MIGHT KILL HISSELF" then spend your time and energy on him. If CCP is gonna ban Mittens/Goons/Me/You/Whoever then they will do it, any and all chestbeating and whiteknighting and agenda pushing from the likes of us will not accomplish anything besides making us look even stupider to the world at large. Shut up already.
Counselling the victim of bullying won't by itself help prevent future bullying.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

KanashiiKami
44
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:29:00 -
[2793] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:MeBiatch wrote:honestly Mittenz should step down as chairman but remain in the CSM...
10 k people did vote for him so he should remain but has also lost the privilige of being chairman... Personally this is a good compromise. so its like, someone commits a crime, the criminal gets to walk because 10000 who likes his "wayward behavior" says he has not done wrong ... (wrong to the tune of suggesting a depressed whining player actually go have his suicide) LOL ! ... what about the rest of the population who was not in the 10000 ? i am very sure they are not NPC related
i am also quite curious ... of those 10k who did voted ... how many are in disgust of his presentation about "the wis". i am very sure not all 10k+ people are standing together with him on that incident WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
44
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:31:00 -
[2794] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:Piatora wrote:Are we still going on about this? Are you people SO butthurt by goons/mittens that you care this much? Quit trying to white knight a dude who played the oldest online sympathy card there is and just say "We hate Goons and Mittens and we want them all gone". By this point you are doing NOTHING for the community except squealing and hoping that your agenda gets met. If you gave a care about the "cyberbully victim" then you would actually try and talk to him. Counsel him. Give him support. But instead all we get is shiptoasting ALL OVER THE FORUMS about how Mittens sucks, goons suck too, everyone but you and your BFFs should be banned.
Meta-gaming is one thing, but this is becoming obscene. Like I said, if you really care about the dude who "ZOMGZ HE MIGHT KILL HISSELF" then spend your time and energy on him. If CCP is gonna ban Mittens/Goons/Me/You/Whoever then they will do it, any and all chestbeating and whiteknighting and agenda pushing from the likes of us will not accomplish anything besides making us look even stupider to the world at large. Shut up already. Counselling the victim of bullying won't by itself help prevent future bullying.
correct because it is the bully that need to change, and i think he will not. WUT ??? |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:31:00 -
[2795] - Quote
Piatora wrote:Are we still going on about this? Are you people SO butthurt by goons/mittens that you care this much? Quit trying to white knight a dude who played the oldest online sympathy card there is and just say "We hate Goons and Mittens and we want them all gone". By this point you are doing NOTHING for the community except squealing and hoping that your agenda gets met. If you gave a care about the "cyberbully victim" then you would actually try and talk to him. Counsel him. Give him support. But instead all we get is shiptoasting ALL OVER THE FORUMS about how Mittens sucks, goons suck too, everyone but you and your BFFs should be banned.
Meta-gaming is one thing, but this is becoming obscene. Like I said, if you really care about the dude who "ZOMGZ HE MIGHT KILL HISSELF" then spend your time and energy on him. If CCP is gonna ban Mittens/Goons/Me/You/Whoever then they will do it, any and all chestbeating and whiteknighting and agenda pushing from the likes of us will not accomplish anything besides making us look even stupider to the world at large. Shut up already. Stupid post is stupid. Also,hey Japanese players! o/ |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
403
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:34:00 -
[2796] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP.
Its taking this long most likely cause CCP has to have their legal beagles going over all sorts of stuff.
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Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:35:00 -
[2797] - Quote
When s**ts are allowed to happen - they certainly will happen .... and they happen anyway. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
404
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:38:00 -
[2798] - Quote
Avid Bumhumper wrote:Akelorian wrote:Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP. They are hoping this will blow over so they don't behead the swarm. Bee hives have a nasty habit of going crazy when the Queen dies..... 
Tough when you have to make adult decisions. But they have to be made. They are a company with responsibilities and they cannot be found to support cyber bullying beyond the in game versions. This stepped beyond the in game versions of grief. This was calling for a real live person to die.
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:38:00 -
[2799] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:MeBiatch wrote:honestly Mittenz should step down as chairman but remain in the CSM...
10 k people did vote for him so he should remain but has also lost the privilige of being chairman... Personally this is a good compromise. so its like, someone commits a crime, the criminal gets to walk because 10000 who likes his "wayward behavior" says he has not done wrong ... (wrong to the tune of suggesting a depressed whining player actually go have his suicide) LOL ! ... what about the rest of the population who was not in the 10000 ? i am very sure they are not NPC related i am also quite curious ... of those 10k who did voted ... how many are in disgust of his presentation about "the wis". i am very sure not all 10k+ people are standing together with him on that incident
Be carefull of wat you wish, that 10k might turn 20k as well. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
75
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:39:00 -
[2800] - Quote
The Breadmaster wrote:The CSM published by CCPExcerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document- CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. ____ This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore? "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether. What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company handeled it which could open them up for future liability. Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of this situation outside of the context of Eve. This is a situation that could end Eve.
Man, that sure would be relevant if he'd actually breached either of those documents! |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1641
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:39:00 -
[2801] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Somebody sends death threat to Hilmar from their home address with a dead frog inside the envelope then they are going to get banned despite the fact RL doesn't have a specific TOS / EULA. This is why the whole "fanfest isn't covered by the same rules" argument the goons have been making is completely bogus.
My opinion is should such a case go in court, the CCP would have hard time explaining how sending death threats outside EVE constitutes a breach of contract. If someone sent a death threat to Bill Gates, does this invalidate his Windows or Office licenses?
I wonder how many players have been banned from eve online during the games history. I wonder how many times they have been successfully sued for breach of contract.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
141
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:39:00 -
[2802] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Akelorian wrote:Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP. Its taking this long most likely cause CCP has to have their legal beagles going over all sorts of stuff. I'm still suprised that CCP has nothing to say after 2 days of all this... |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:39:00 -
[2803] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?
Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ? Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?
They would. |

KanashiiKami
46
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:40:00 -
[2804] - Quote
Scien Inkunen wrote:When s**ts are allowed to happen - they certainly will happen .... and they happen anyway.
i agree ... when a BAN happen ... they certainly will happen, not for a lame reason too. and i certainly hope CCp dishes out the perma life BAN to him ... WUT ??? |

Topiary Khurelem
Flawless Group
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:41:00 -
[2805] - Quote
If I were Sony i wouldnt care cause i fooled my customers harder than Mittens ever could. Take whitney houston where I as sony increased the Song price by 40% on the Day she died! |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
453
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:43:00 -
[2806] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:[quote=The F Word] he might have gotten off scott free if suicide wasnt highlighted ... but it is very clear ... he was out to demean the victims he had prepped on his slides openly at fanfest ... and particularly this person/victim ... the suicide word mentioned and suggested to other fellow players.
so i do not see anything wrong with a perma BAN on this player
Have to agree with this. Had an audience member brought up the topic and the panel joined in then that is spontaneous especially with alcohol involved. Preparing a slide in a presentation to set the stage for those antics, drunk or not, is premeditation. Depending on who prepared the slide presentation, someone other than Mittens, then that is conspiracy.
Whether there are laws in Iceland which specifically address this situation, and I doubt it, from a PR perspective CCP would be wise to act on the side of caution. Then again if Mittens is booted they'll lose tens of thousands of accounts. If Mittens isn't booted, you know which concerns they considered paramount.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

hioshi IV
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:46:00 -
[2807] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:[quote=The F Word] he might have gotten off scott free if suicide wasnt highlighted ... but it is very clear ... he was out to demean the victims he had prepped on his slides openly at fanfest ... and particularly this person/victim ... the suicide word mentioned and suggested to other fellow players.
so i do not see anything wrong with a perma BAN on this player Have to agree with this. Had an audience member brought up the topic and the panel joined in then that is spontaneous especially with alcohol involved. Preparing a slide in a presentation to set the stage for those antics, drunk or not, is premeditation. Depending on who prepared the slide presentation, someone other than Mittens, then that is conspiracy. Whether there are laws in Iceland which specifically address this situation, and I doubt it, from a PR perspective CCP would be wise to act on the side of caution. Then again if Mittens is booted they'll lose tens of thousands of accounts. If Mittens isn't booted, you know which concerns they considered paramount.
they wont lose any accounts .. dont be dramatic. goons will laugh on his face and resume trolololing on the forums like any other day. |

KanashiiKami
46
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:47:00 -
[2808] - Quote
Welsige wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:MeBiatch wrote:honestly Mittenz should step down as chairman but remain in the CSM...
10 k people did vote for him so he should remain but has also lost the privilige of being chairman... Personally this is a good compromise. so its like, someone commits a crime, the criminal gets to walk because 10000 who likes his "wayward behavior" says he has not done wrong ... (wrong to the tune of suggesting a depressed whining player actually go have his suicide) LOL ! ... what about the rest of the population who was not in the 10000 ? i am very sure they are not NPC related i am also quite curious ... of those 10k who did voted ... how many are in disgust of his presentation about "the wis". i am very sure not all 10k+ people are standing together with him on that incident Be carefull of wat you wish, that 10k might turn 20k as well.
i am very sure eve is not just made up of just these ... pilots ...
so a probable BAN on 1 single player wun hurt goons that much WUT ??? |

low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:48:00 -
[2809] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP.
^^^ This, It was on tape and pre meditated. Mittens intended to harass that player publicly or it would not have been in his presentation that was surely made days earlier. There really is not much to investigate here . CCP is just hoping it will all go away. |

KanashiiKami
46
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:49:00 -
[2810] - Quote
hioshi IV wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:[quote=The F Word] he might have gotten off scott free if suicide wasnt highlighted ... but it is very clear ... he was out to demean the victims he had prepped on his slides openly at fanfest ... and particularly this person/victim ... the suicide word mentioned and suggested to other fellow players.
so i do not see anything wrong with a perma BAN on this player Have to agree with this. Had an audience member brought up the topic and the panel joined in then that is spontaneous especially with alcohol involved. Preparing a slide in a presentation to set the stage for those antics, drunk or not, is premeditation. Depending on who prepared the slide presentation, someone other than Mittens, then that is conspiracy. Whether there are laws in Iceland which specifically address this situation, and I doubt it, from a PR perspective CCP would be wise to act on the side of caution. Then again if Mittens is booted they'll lose tens of thousands of accounts. If Mittens isn't booted, you know which concerns they considered paramount. they wont lose any accounts .. dont be dramatic. goons will laugh on his face and resume trolololing on the forums like any other day.
yep ... its just 1 goon player ...
according to a previous post by a goon ... it might have been 1/20000 of their forces ... WUT ??? |
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Piatora
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
123
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:52:00 -
[2811] - Quote
So my earlier suggestion. Everyone on the panel, every CCP employee, everyone in the audience who laughed should have action taken against them as well. Can't single out 1 person like that. Everyone is equally culpable. I saw CCP employees laughing, I saw the panel laughing, I saw/heard audience members laughing. Why aren't we going after those hate mongers too? No 1 person is liable for this, all or nothing. Mittens said it, no-one stopped him. Many joined in his mocking laughter. We have to immediately ban half of EVE except the white knights now, otherwise I will not be satisfied!! |

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:53:00 -
[2812] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:
i am very sure eve is not just made up of just these ... pilots ...
so a probable BAN on 1 single player wun hurt goons that much
Its not like its dificult to a guy come back from a ban... would be back in on the next day. |

KanashiiKami
46
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:53:00 -
[2813] - Quote
low26 wrote:Akelorian wrote:Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP. ^^^ This, It was on tape and pre meditated. Mittens intended to harass that player publicly or it would not have been in his presentation that was surely made days earlier. There really is not much to investigate here . CCP is just hoping it will all go away.
in fact ... his presentation is mostly just to demean other players he has harrassed in game ... and it went into a bigger stage of harrassment at fanfest ... AMPLIFIED with video, audio, slides, audience, etc ! now how did it come to this stage that CCP set a stage for a player to do this?
cmon CCP, are you really going to let him off? WUT ??? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
418
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:55:00 -
[2814] - Quote
Yeah after showing my dad the vid and the actions of the goons on these threads the last few days Im in full on Ban the mittani territory.
The trolls that are still on going by the goons tell me that just him stepping down is not going to send the right message.
Full on ban time. |

KanashiiKami
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:55:00 -
[2815] - Quote
Piatora wrote:So my earlier suggestion. Everyone on the panel, every CCP employee, everyone in the audience who laughed should have action taken against them as well. Can't single out 1 person like that. Everyone is equally culpable. I saw CCP employees laughing, I saw the panel laughing, I saw/heard audience members laughing. Why aren't we going after those hate mongers too? No 1 person is liable for this, all or nothing. Mittens said it, no-one stopped him. Many joined in his mocking laughter. We have to immediately ban half of EVE except the white knights now, otherwise I will not be satisfied!!
i dont know about who you knew in the crowd ... or have face recognition engine running or something ...
but i do know who presented the slides and who mittani is, and who suggested the word suicide ... WUT ??? |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
142
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:57:00 -
[2816] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Yeah after showing my dad the vid and the actions of the goons on these threads the last few days Im in full on Ban the mittani territory.
The trolls that are still on going by the goons tell me that just him stepping down is not going to send the right message.
Full on ban time. I think most people notice how Mitten's half assed apology is fake and he feels no remorse. It is obvious he is trying to save face, which didn't work, which makes him look like an even bigger douche now. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
418
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:59:00 -
[2817] - Quote
de4deye wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yeah after showing my dad the vid and the actions of the goons on these threads the last few days Im in full on Ban the mittani territory.
The trolls that are still on going by the goons tell me that just him stepping down is not going to send the right message.
Full on ban time. I think most people notice how Mitten's half assed apology is fake and he feels no remorse. It is obvious he is trying to save face, which didn't work, which makes him look like an even bigger douche now.
Yeah full on ban now. Anything less is weakness on ccps part.
Let the goon pubbies rage for a few months. |

KanashiiKami
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:59:00 -
[2818] - Quote
Welsige wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:
i am very sure eve is not just made up of just these ... pilots ...
so a probable BAN on 1 single player wun hurt goons that much
Its not like its dificult to a guy come back from a ban... would be back in on the next day.
i am very sure it is easy to re-register as another new player to play eve. heck he might even do power of 2 ! LOL
but that is not important
what is important, CCP needs to tell players the right message, you do not tell people to go to their deaths at a fanfest ...
WUT ??? |

THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
113
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:01:00 -
[2819] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah full on ban now. Anything less is weakness on ccps part.
Let the goon pubbies rage for a few months.
Does your name imply that you are a makeup application specialist? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
142
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:06:00 -
[2820] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah full on ban now. Anything less is weakness on ccps part.
Let the goon pubbies rage for a few months.
Does your name imply that you are a makeup application specialist? Does your name imply that you are a lock? |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
76
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:06:00 -
[2821] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:low26 wrote:Akelorian wrote:Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP. ^^^ This, It was on tape and pre meditated. Mittens intended to harass that player publicly or it would not have been in his presentation that was surely made days earlier. There really is not much to investigate here . CCP is just hoping it will all go away. in fact ... his presentation is mostly just to demean other players he has harrassed in game ... and it went into a bigger stage of harrassment at fanfest ... AMPLIFIED with video, audio, slides, audience, etc ! now how did it come to this stage that CCP set a stage for a player to do this? cmon CCP, are you really going to let him off?
Every time you post I'm more convinced that you've never actually played Eve, a terrible spaceship game. |

THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
113
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:08:00 -
[2822] - Quote
de4deye wrote:THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah full on ban now. Anything less is weakness on ccps part.
Let the goon pubbies rage for a few months.
Does your name imply that you are a makeup application specialist? Does your name imply that you are a lock?
Yes! Here's your gold star. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
419
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:08:00 -
[2823] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah full on ban now. Anything less is weakness on ccps part.
Let the goon pubbies rage for a few months.
Does your name imply that you are a makeup application specialist?
And if i was?
|

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
521
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:10:00 -
[2824] - Quote
de4deye wrote:THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah full on ban now. Anything less is weakness on ccps part.
Let the goon pubbies rage for a few months.
Does your name imply that you are a makeup application specialist? Does your name imply that you are a lock?
Dude, pay attention. He's THE lock. |

KanashiiKami
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:11:00 -
[2825] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:low26 wrote:Akelorian wrote:Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP. ^^^ This, It was on tape and pre meditated. Mittens intended to harass that player publicly or it would not have been in his presentation that was surely made days earlier. There really is not much to investigate here . CCP is just hoping it will all go away. in fact ... his presentation is mostly just to demean other players he has harrassed in game ... and it went into a bigger stage of harrassment at fanfest ... AMPLIFIED with video, audio, slides, audience, etc ! now how did it come to this stage that CCP set a stage for a player to do this? cmon CCP, are you really going to let him off? Every time you post I'm more convinced that you've never actually played Eve, a terrible spaceship game.
i like space ships
... next ? WUT ??? |

THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
113
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:13:00 -
[2826] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah full on ban now. Anything less is weakness on ccps part.
Let the goon pubbies rage for a few months.
Does your name imply that you are a makeup application specialist? And if i was?
No biggie, was just curious. I smeared the path of this thread a little, you guys go back to your mascara. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
419
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:14:00 -
[2827] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah full on ban now. Anything less is weakness on ccps part.
Let the goon pubbies rage for a few months.
Does your name imply that you are a makeup application specialist? And if i was? No biggie, was just curious. I smeared the path of this thread a little, you guys go back to your mascara.
Onwards and upwards then.
|

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
523
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:15:00 -
[2828] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah full on ban now. Anything less is weakness on ccps part.
Let the goon pubbies rage for a few months.
Does your name imply that you are a makeup application specialist? And if i was? No biggie, was just curious. I smeared the path of this thread a little, you guys go back to your mascara.
It's hilarious that the Mittani Cyberstalker (one of many) screwed up his NPC Sockpuppet name.
I propose we reply to him with relevant pictures to his name from now on.
Case in point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blush_and_blush_brush.jpg
^^ Rouge Operator. |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:17:00 -
[2829] - Quote
Xython wrote:THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah full on ban now. Anything less is weakness on ccps part.
Let the goon pubbies rage for a few months.
Does your name imply that you are a makeup application specialist? And if i was? No biggie, was just curious. I smeared the path of this thread a little, you guys go back to your mascara. It's hilarious that the Mittani Cyberstalker (one of many) screwed up his NPC Sockpuppet name. I propose we reply to him with relevant pictures to his name from now on. Case in point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blush_and_blush_brush.jpg^^ Rouge Operator.
Sup Xython, up to much? |

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:17:00 -
[2830] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:THE L0CK wrote: Does your name imply that you are a makeup application specialist?
Onwards and upwards then. I think he was trying to say 'Rouge Operator' and 'Rogue Operator' are very different occupations.
|
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
419
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:18:00 -
[2831] - Quote
Xython wrote:THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:THE L0CK wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah full on ban now. Anything less is weakness on ccps part.
Let the goon pubbies rage for a few months.
Does your name imply that you are a makeup application specialist? And if i was? No biggie, was just curious. I smeared the path of this thread a little, you guys go back to your mascara. It's hilarious that the Mittani Cyberstalker (one of many) screwed up his NPC Sockpuppet name. I propose we reply to him with relevant pictures to his name from now on. Case in point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blush_and_blush_brush.jpg^^ Rouge Operator.
Cause it doesn't mean Red in French or anything...................
English centric thinking is so cute. |

Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:18:00 -
[2832] - Quote
This thread and its op gave me cancer |

Lord Reid
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:20:00 -
[2833] - Quote
Pubbies, don't ya just love 'em? |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
523
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:22:00 -
[2834] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Sup Xython, up to much?
Oh, not much, just doing a Jita market scan for Padded Helmets, have about 30-60 minutes left. Gotta keep the market data fresh for importing.
Debating if I should go around making fun of these NPC Corp Sockpuppet shitheads, or if I should just accept that just being a pubbie is the worst fate anyone could wish on them. It's very relaxing pointing out just how mind numbingly stupid and cowardly they are for posting under fake names, but at the same time, they're quite literally too stupid to get that, so...
How about you? Recruited anyone lately? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
419
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:23:00 -
[2835] - Quote
Lord Reid wrote:Pubbies, don't ya just love 'em?
Sure do the goon pubbies rage is the best.
|

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
523
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:24:00 -
[2836] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Lord Reid wrote:Pubbies, don't ya just love 'em? Sure do the goon pubbies rage is the best.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blush_and_blush_brush.jpg |

Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:25:00 -
[2837] - Quote
Xython wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Sup Xython, up to much? Oh, not much, just doing a Jita market scan for Padded Helmets, have about 30-60 minutes left. Gotta keep the market data fresh for importing. Debating if I should go around making fun of these NPC Corp Sockpuppet shitheads, or if I should just accept that just being a pubbie is the worst fate anyone could wish on them. It's very relaxing pointing out just how mind numbingly stupid and cowardly they are for posting under fake names, but at the same time, they're quite literally too stupid to get that, so... How about you? Recruited anyone lately?
Got a few in the net, been a busy bee suddenly this week due to lack of assignments, some might drop out from the ardous recruitment process but I think one or two will make through our process.
Also I was thinking on that too, but like you said, being a pubbie> anything else really. |

Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
141
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:26:00 -
[2838] - Quote
A ban will be a punishment not commensurate with the alleged infraction. It's not as if the subject of mocking actually quit playing EvE nor he has been actually a subject of harassment[1].
This is what my inner sense of justice says.
-- [1] in the usual sense of the word, which implies repeated, persistent actions. |

Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:26:00 -
[2839] - Quote
Lord Reid wrote:Pubbies, don't ya just love 'em? You Goons wouldn't have any fun without us. Griefing only works if there is someone to grief. So really, you shouldn't be sarcastic in your love of us lowly "pubbies". Your elitism concerning a videogame is refreshing. How's the sun, Icarus? |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
76
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:28:00 -
[2840] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Cause it doesn't mean Red in French or anything..................
English centric thinking is so cute.
So what you were actually going for is "OperatorRouge"
"RougeOperator" is grammatically incorrect. |
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Lord Reid
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:30:00 -
[2841] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote:Lord Reid wrote:Pubbies, don't ya just love 'em? You Goons wouldn't have any fun without us. Griefing only works if there is someone to grief. So really, you shouldn't be sarcastic in your love of us lowly "pubbies". Your elitism concerning a videogame is refreshing. How's the sun, Icarus?
Its why we love you very much. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
523
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:31:00 -
[2842] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Xython wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Sup Xython, up to much? Oh, not much, just doing a Jita market scan for Padded Helmets, have about 30-60 minutes left. Gotta keep the market data fresh for importing. Debating if I should go around making fun of these NPC Corp Sockpuppet shitheads, or if I should just accept that just being a pubbie is the worst fate anyone could wish on them. It's very relaxing pointing out just how mind numbingly stupid and cowardly they are for posting under fake names, but at the same time, they're quite literally too stupid to get that, so... How about you? Recruited anyone lately? Got a few in the net, been a busy bee suddenly this week due to lack of assignments, some might drop out from the ardous recruitment process but I think one or two will make through our process. Also I was thinking on that too, but like you said, being a pubbie> anything else really.
Yeah, kinda.
Debating doing some ratting after this, but christ anoms are boring as hell. Need to get about 680M for a Proteus, debating just buying a PLEX and selling it for 500M, since that's 15 hours of ratting more or less.
I'd probe down some complexes instead but using the scanner interface? I'd rather sit on a cactus and spin.
|

Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:36:00 -
[2843] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Cause it doesn't mean Red in French or anything..................
English centric thinking is so cute. So what you were actually going for is "OperatorRouge" "RougeOperator" is grammatically incorrect. Because his name REALLY is the issue. I'm loving the massive attempts at misdirection and thread-hijacking that the Goonswarm is doing. Hey CCP, people keep making new threads you have to then lock and delete, because Goons keep derailing any attempt we make to discuss this. But then again, you've already stated how much you love the GSF, so why would we expect fair and equal treatment for our voice? I'm realizing that apathy might be a better course, since there can be no justice from nepotists. And before you Goons jump on me, I'm not an alt, and yeah I'm in a one man corp, but that's more to do with NPC tax rates and a desire to RP than anything else. Besides, y'all have made PVP not fun unless your flying anything less than a capital. /flameonGoons |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1058
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:36:00 -
[2844] - Quote
Lord Reid wrote:Pubbies, don't ya just love 'em?
Which pubbies? The ones that called mittens out and got the apology?
Or the ones that can meta game better than the goons?
I'm proud of our pubbies.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
523
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:38:00 -
[2845] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Or the ones that can meta game better than the goons?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |

KanashiiKami
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:39:00 -
[2846] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Cause it doesn't mean Red in French or anything..................
English centric thinking is so cute. So what you were actually going for is "OperatorRouge" "RougeOperator" is grammatically incorrect. Because his name REALLY is the issue. I'm loving the massive attempts at misdirection and thread-hijacking that the Goonswarm is doing. Hey CCP, people keep making new threads you have to then lock and delete, because Goons keep derailing any attempt we make to discuss this. But then again, you've already stated how much you love the GSF, so why would we expect fair and equal treatment for our voice? I'm realizing that apathy might be a better course, since there can be no justice from nepotists. And before you Goons jump on me, I'm not an alt, and yeah I'm in a one man corp, but that's more to do with NPC tax rates and a desire to RP than anything else. Besides, y'all have made PVP not fun unless your flying anything less than a capital. /flameonGoons
i like wut u said :D WUT ??? |

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:47:00 -
[2847] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Cause it doesn't mean Red in French or anything..................
English centric thinking is so cute. So what you were actually going for is "OperatorRouge" "RougeOperator" is grammatically incorrect. Because his name REALLY is the issue. I'm loving the massive attempts at misdirection and thread-hijacking that the Goonswarm is doing. Hey CCP, people keep making new threads you have to then lock and delete, because Goons keep derailing any attempt we make to discuss this. But then again, you've already stated how much you love the GSF, so why would we expect fair and equal treatment for our voice? I'm realizing that apathy might be a better course, since there can be no justice from nepotists. And before you Goons jump on me, I'm not an alt, and yeah I'm in a one man corp, but that's more to do with NPC tax rates and a desire to RP than anything else. Besides, y'all have made PVP not fun unless your flying anything less than a capital. /flameonGoons I think this is providing some great comic relief in this thread. And I'm not a Goon -- personally I believe The Mattani should step down from the CSM and I would expect that CCP will ban him (at least temporarily). |

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:50:00 -
[2848] - Quote
And so the "true" Mittani is revealed at last.
Character eventually seeps out despite the rhetoric and camouflage.
A real example of "what's best for EVE".
or maybe not....
|

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
781
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:52:00 -
[2849] - Quote
de4deye wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Akelorian wrote:Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP. Its taking this long most likely cause CCP has to have their legal beagles going over all sorts of stuff. I'm still suprised that CCP has nothing to say after 2 days of all this...
You've clearly never seen how CCP deals with controversy then.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
428
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:55:00 -
[2850] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:de4deye wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Akelorian wrote:Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP. Its taking this long most likely cause CCP has to have their legal beagles going over all sorts of stuff. I'm still suprised that CCP has nothing to say after 2 days of all this... You've clearly never seen how CCP deals with controversy then.
yeah what it takes them two weeks for even simple yes no questions.
|
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:56:00 -
[2851] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:de4deye wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Akelorian wrote:Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP. Its taking this long most likely cause CCP has to have their legal beagles going over all sorts of stuff. I'm still suprised that CCP has nothing to say after 2 days of all this... You've clearly never seen how CCP deals with controversy then. yeah what it takes them two weeks for even simple yes no questions.
No different from anything else. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:01:00 -
[2852] - Quote
Eve is a world of information provided only by the user. Eve is competitive people will say and do anything to win. This includes lying your way into a corporation. Threatening to calling friends to attack you corp to oblivion because you stole their super cap. For some going to the point saying that his Mother and Wife died to cancer and his daughter is now diagnosed with Lung cancer and is feeling the effects of chemo therapy, and that life is tough in order to gain false sympathy in order to win at a game.
In the Eve Terms of service points #19 States
You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
This would include a person's own personal information.
So assuming this: whether you say you are a victim of ****, and child abuse, or an alien abductee I will have to assume they are just GÇ£StoriesGÇ¥ to entertain me or an attempt to motivate me to act in a certain way.
Mittani portrays him self as GÇ£THE VILLAINGÇ¥ within the game of eve. As a Villain it is his responsibility to cause misery, and suffering where ever he can. In the name of GÇ£just for kicksGÇ¥... for example The ice interdiction, strongly supporting hulkaggedon and Scamming Super Caps. He also thrives on the attention he derives from this activity. The Mittani trys to portray the most bad ass villain he can, taking extra effort to publicize the crushing of the weakest Victim. When he receives an eve mail from a person trying to gain sympathy from the attacker he goes on a feeding frenzy.
Mittani being a former lawyer GÇô probably has been one of the few people that has actually read the EULA, and the TOS. Mittani being evil for so long has heard an amazing amount of sob stories as people attempt to gain Mittani's sympathy in hope for him to play fair, and to return some of the stuff stolen or halt an attack.
So in that mind set: When he is told is a story, a story that is had been heard many times before, just some of the details has been changed and just like before to produce more care bear tears he shows no sympathy. Did anyone in that room immediately object to the Mittani after his presentation... Not from the video cast I say... why? -->Was it because we thought it was a part of the game? -->Or was our psychological tendency to see harm on other and be happy it was not me?
I don't know Mittani's victim personally in Real Life and can't say who is or who is not having suicidal tendencies. But I bet several people have lied about it to gain sympathy from others and after the current up rising many more will do so.
In summary: In Eve Online: you play an avatar. DO NOT volunteer any personal information. If people follow this rule real cases of people exploiting other people real life misery won't happen. We play in a game where Social combat is real and not a role of the dies. Stories, lies and political manoeuvring are encourage with in the game and not halted in like in MMO Care Bear Games.
Personally after seeing this current situation with the Mittani and I come across some one claiming hard time. I will refer them to the TOS, will have to claim they are simply telling me a story, filled with half truths or lies, and tell them that I am not down that path of play as I pod them. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:07:00 -
[2853] - Quote
Xython wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Or the ones that can meta game better than the goons? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Is really funny as it's not "My CEO" and not "My Chairman" who's head is on the block.
Nothing clever at this time. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
78
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:12:00 -
[2854] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Cause it doesn't mean Red in French or anything..................
English centric thinking is so cute. So what you were actually going for is "OperatorRouge" "RougeOperator" is grammatically incorrect. Because his name REALLY is the issue. I'm loving the massive attempts at misdirection and thread-hijacking that the Goonswarm is doing. Hey CCP, people keep making new threads you have to then lock and delete, because Goons keep derailing any attempt we make to discuss this. But then again, you've already stated how much you love the GSF, so why would we expect fair and equal treatment for our voice? I'm realizing that apathy might be a better course, since there can be no justice from nepotists. And before you Goons jump on me, I'm not an alt, and yeah I'm in a one man corp, but that's more to do with NPC tax rates and a desire to RP than anything else. Besides, y'all have made PVP not fun unless your flying anything less than a capital. /flameonGoons
Did you have a point somewhere in all those :words: |

Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:15:00 -
[2855] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Akai Kvaesir wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Cause it doesn't mean Red in French or anything..................
English centric thinking is so cute. So what you were actually going for is "OperatorRouge" "RougeOperator" is grammatically incorrect. Because his name REALLY is the issue. I'm loving the massive attempts at misdirection and thread-hijacking that the Goonswarm is doing. Hey CCP, people keep making new threads you have to then lock and delete, because Goons keep derailing any attempt we make to discuss this. But then again, you've already stated how much you love the GSF, so why would we expect fair and equal treatment for our voice? I'm realizing that apathy might be a better course, since there can be no justice from nepotists. And before you Goons jump on me, I'm not an alt, and yeah I'm in a one man corp, but that's more to do with NPC tax rates and a desire to RP than anything else. Besides, y'all have made PVP not fun unless your flying anything less than a capital. /flameonGoons Did you have a point somewhere in all those :words: Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot reading is such a difficult chore for you internet elitists. The TL;DR is there's no point crying about this, CCP will do what it will do, and I doubt anything bad will happen to the Goons they love so much. The argument about misdirection, well, that's already a dead horse, thanks to all you Goons proving my point via your posts (see: any).
EDIT: the super tl:dr for anyone who can't read four sentences without forgetting what your reading: Apathy is the only victory. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
79
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:17:00 -
[2856] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Akai Kvaesir wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Cause it doesn't mean Red in French or anything..................
English centric thinking is so cute. So what you were actually going for is "OperatorRouge" "RougeOperator" is grammatically incorrect. Because his name REALLY is the issue. I'm loving the massive attempts at misdirection and thread-hijacking that the Goonswarm is doing. Hey CCP, people keep making new threads you have to then lock and delete, because Goons keep derailing any attempt we make to discuss this. But then again, you've already stated how much you love the GSF, so why would we expect fair and equal treatment for our voice? I'm realizing that apathy might be a better course, since there can be no justice from nepotists. And before you Goons jump on me, I'm not an alt, and yeah I'm in a one man corp, but that's more to do with NPC tax rates and a desire to RP than anything else. Besides, y'all have made PVP not fun unless your flying anything less than a capital. /flameonGoons Did you have a point somewhere in all those :words: Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot reading is such a difficult chore for you internet elitists. The TL;DR is there's no point crying about this, CCP will do what it will do, and I doubt anything bad will happen to the Goons they love so much. The argument about misdirection, well, that's already a dead horse, thanks to all you Goons proving my point via your posts (see: any). TIL I'm an internet elitist. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
74
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:19:00 -
[2857] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Akai Kvaesir wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Cause it doesn't mean Red in French or anything..................
English centric thinking is so cute. So what you were actually going for is "OperatorRouge" "RougeOperator" is grammatically incorrect. Because his name REALLY is the issue. I'm loving the massive attempts at misdirection and thread-hijacking that the Goonswarm is doing. Hey CCP, people keep making new threads you have to then lock and delete, because Goons keep derailing any attempt we make to discuss this. But then again, you've already stated how much you love the GSF, so why would we expect fair and equal treatment for our voice? I'm realizing that apathy might be a better course, since there can be no justice from nepotists. And before you Goons jump on me, I'm not an alt, and yeah I'm in a one man corp, but that's more to do with NPC tax rates and a desire to RP than anything else. Besides, y'all have made PVP not fun unless your flying anything less than a capital. /flameonGoons Did you have a point somewhere in all those :words: Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot reading is such a difficult chore for you internet elitists. The TL;DR is there's no point crying about this, CCP will do what it will do, and I doubt anything bad will happen to the Goons they love so much. The argument about misdirection, well, that's already a dead horse, thanks to all you Goons proving my point via your posts (see: any). EDIT: the super tl:dr for anyone who can't read four sentences without forgetting what your reading: Apathy is the only victory.
So then why the threadnaught? Why post at all? People like whining about other people they don't like. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
525
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:22:00 -
[2858] - Quote
Nick Bison wrote:Xython wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Or the ones that can meta game better than the goons? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Is really funny as it's not "My CEO" and not "My Chairman" who's head is on the block.
No, it's funny that you stupid ******* think that Mittani is in any actual danger. I mean christ, you Internet E-Lawyers actually were "very serious posting" about how Mittani is guilty of Cyberbullying and he could be arrested and put in prison, tut tut, very serious. Morons.
We're posting in this thread (and the other one) because watching the clueless fucks run around going "oh god oh god we FINALLY GOT THAT EVIL GOONIE~" is some of the best chat **** we've seen in goddamned ages.
Let me spell that out for you: We're farming this thread for your outrage. Delicious tears, geddit?
Hell, this will probably be it's own slide on Mittani's slideshow next year. |

KanashiiKami
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:26:00 -
[2859] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:Eve is a world of information provided only by the user. Eve is competitive people will say and do anything to win. This includes lying your way into a corporation. Threatening to calling friends to attack you corp to oblivion because you stole their super cap. For some going to the point saying that his Mother and Wife died to cancer and his daughter is now diagnosed with Lung cancer and is feeling the effects of chemo therapy, and that life is tough in order to gain false sympathy in order to win at a game.
In the Eve Terms of service points #19 States
You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
This would include a person's own personal information.
So assuming this: whether you say you are a victim of ****, and child abuse, or an alien abductee I will have to assume they are just GÇ£StoriesGÇ¥ to entertain me or an attempt to motivate me to act in a certain way.
Mittani portrays him self as GÇ£THE VILLAINGÇ¥ within the game of eve. As a Villain it is his responsibility to cause misery, and suffering where ever he can. In the name of GÇ£just for kicksGÇ¥... for example The ice interdiction, strongly supporting hulkaggedon and Scamming Super Caps. He also thrives on the attention he derives from this activity. The Mittani trys to portray the most bad ass villain he can, taking extra effort to publicize the crushing of the weakest Victim. When he receives an eve mail from a person trying to gain sympathy from the attacker he goes on a feeding frenzy.
Mittani being a former lawyer GÇô probably has been one of the few people that has actually read the EULA, and the TOS. Mittani being evil for so long has heard an amazing amount of sob stories as people attempt to gain Mittani's sympathy in hope for him to play fair, and to return some of the stuff stolen or halt an attack.
So in that mind set: When he is told is a story, a story that is had been heard many times before, just some of the details has been changed and just like before to produce more care bear tears he shows no sympathy. Did anyone in that room immediately object to the Mittani after his presentation... Not from the video cast I say... why? -->Was it because we thought it was a part of the game? -->Or was our psychological tendency to see harm on other and be happy it was not me?
I don't know Mittani's victim personally in Real Life and can't say who is or who is not having suicidal tendencies. But I bet several people have lied about it to gain sympathy from others and after the current up rising many more will do so.
In summary: In Eve Online: you play an avatar. DO NOT volunteer any personal information. If people follow this rule real cases of people exploiting other people real life misery won't happen. We play in a game where Social combat is real and not a role of the dies. Stories, lies and political manoeuvring are encourage with in the game and not halted in like in MMO Care Bear Games.
Personally after seeing this current situation with the Mittani and I come across some one claiming hard time. I will refer them to the TOS, will have to claim they are simply telling me a story, filled with half truths or lies, and tell them that I am not down that path of play as I pod them.
well said
but fanfest is a gathering of physical bodies .. it is not in a virtual world ... its not skypefest ... to talk about something virtual? yes ...
and he did not give a virtual presentation, he gave an actual run down of .... stuff ... seen on a physical screen, about something virtual? yes ...
and he did not virtually/randomly suggest that the victim should goto his death ... he actually did it ... he said the word that he should not have spoken ...
did he make a really big mistake? of course ...
is a BAN too harsh? nope i think not WUT ??? |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
432
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:26:00 -
[2860] - Quote
Xython wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Xython wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Or the ones that can meta game better than the goons? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Is really funny as it's not "My CEO" and not "My Chairman" who's head is on the block. No, it's funny that the stupid ******* think that Mittani is in any actual danger. I mean christ, these Internet E-Lawyers actually were "very serious posting" about how Mittani is guilty of Cyberbullying and he could be arrested and put in prison, tut tut, very serious. Morons. We're posting in this thread (and the other one) because watching the clueless fucks run around going "oh god oh god we FINALLY GOT THAT EVIL GOONIE~" is some of the best chat **** we've seen in goddamned ages. Let me spell that out for all the pubbies: We're farming this thread for your outrage. Delicious tears, geddit? Hell, this will probably be it's own slide on Mittani's slideshow next year.
This is the funniest post in the thread so far.
He mad. |
|

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
108
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:28:00 -
[2861] - Quote
Xython wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Xython wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Or the ones that can meta game better than the goons? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Is really funny as it's not "My CEO" and not "My Chairman" who's head is on the block. No, it's funny that the stupid ******* think that Mittani is in any actual danger. I mean christ, these Internet E-Lawyers actually were "very serious posting" about how Mittani is guilty of Cyberbullying and he could be arrested and put in prison, tut tut, very serious. Morons. We're posting in this thread (and the other one) because watching the clueless fucks run around going "oh god oh god we FINALLY GOT THAT EVIL GOONIE~" is some of the best chat **** we've seen in goddamned ages. Let me spell that out for all the pubbies: We're farming this thread for your outrage. Delicious tears, geddit? Hell, this will probably be it's own slide on Mittani's slideshow next year. Head over to the apology thread, the stream of sweet nectar over there is much more bountiful than this thread. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
526
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:28:00 -
[2862] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:This is the funniest post in the thread so far.
He mad.
Actually, I find myself strangely aroused at all the pubbies getting pissed off. Does this mean I'm finally a real Goon? |

Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:30:00 -
[2863] - Quote
Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...
or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways. |

low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:31:00 -
[2864] - Quote
Xython wrote:RougeOperator wrote:This is the funniest post in the thread so far.
He mad. Actually, I find myself strangely aroused at all the pubbies getting pissed off. Does this mean I'm finally a real Goon?
He's a real boy now! |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:32:00 -
[2865] - Quote
Comrade Commizzar wrote:Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...
or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways. EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1661
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:32:00 -
[2866] - Quote
Xython wrote:RougeOperator wrote:This is the funniest post in the thread so far.
He mad. Actually, I find myself strangely aroused at all the pubbies getting pissed off. Does this mean I'm finally a real Goon?
to be blunt, the goonies are probably about 10x madder on average than us "pub-lords" in this thread.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Prince Kobol
424
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:33:00 -
[2867] - Quote
Xython wrote:RougeOperator wrote:This is the funniest post in the thread so far.
He mad. Actually, I find myself strangely aroused at all the pubbies getting pissed off. Does this mean I'm finally a real Goon?
Not even close I'm afraid  |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1059
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:33:00 -
[2868] - Quote
Xython wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Xython wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Or the ones that can meta game better than the goons? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Is really funny as it's not "My CEO" and not "My Chairman" who's head is on the block. No, it's funny that the stupid ******* think that Mittani is in any actual danger. I mean christ, these Internet E-Lawyers actually were "very serious posting" about how Mittani is guilty of Cyberbullying and he could be arrested and put in prison, tut tut, very serious. Morons. We're posting in this thread (and the other one) because watching the clueless fucks run around going "oh god oh god we FINALLY GOT THAT EVIL GOONIE~" is some of the best chat **** we've seen in goddamned ages. Let me spell that out for all the pubbies: We're farming this thread for your outrage. Delicious tears, geddit? Hell, this will probably be it's own slide on Mittani's slideshow next year.
Defending an alliance that openly laughs at your corp and only puts up with you for the rent is pretty pathetic imo.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

KanashiiKami
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:33:00 -
[2869] - Quote
Xython wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Xython wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Or the ones that can meta game better than the goons? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Is really funny as it's not "My CEO" and not "My Chairman" who's head is on the block. No, it's funny that the stupid ******* think that Mittani is in any actual danger. I mean christ, these Internet E-Lawyers actually were "very serious posting" about how Mittani is guilty of Cyberbullying and he could be arrested and put in prison, tut tut, very serious. Morons. We're posting in this thread (and the other one) because watching the clueless fucks run around going "oh god oh god we FINALLY GOT THAT EVIL GOONIE~" is some of the best chat **** we've seen in goddamned ages. Let me spell that out for all the pubbies: We're farming this thread for your outrage. Delicious tears, geddit? Hell, this will probably be it's own slide on Mittani's slideshow next year.
you sounded so happy saying what you said ... WUT ??? |

Prince Kobol
424
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:33:00 -
[2870] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Xython wrote:RougeOperator wrote:This is the funniest post in the thread so far.
He mad. Actually, I find myself strangely aroused at all the pubbies getting pissed off. Does this mean I'm finally a real Goon? to be blunt, the goonies are probably about 10x madder on average than us "pub-lords" in this thread.
We Pub-Lords now... Cool 
|
|

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:34:00 -
[2871] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Gevlin wrote:Eve is a world of information provided only by the user. Eve is competitive people will say and do anything to win. This includes lying your way into a corporation. Threatening to calling friends to attack you corp to oblivion because you stole their super cap. For some going to the point saying that his Mother and Wife died to cancer and his daughter is now diagnosed with Lung cancer and is feeling the effects of chemo therapy, and that life is tough in order to gain false sympathy in order to win at a game.
In the Eve Terms of service points #19 States
You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
This would include a person's own personal information.
So assuming this: whether you say you are a victim of ****, and child abuse, or an alien abductee I will have to assume they are just GÇ£StoriesGÇ¥ to entertain me or an attempt to motivate me to act in a certain way.
Mittani portrays him self as GÇ£THE VILLAINGÇ¥ within the game of eve. As a Villain it is his responsibility to cause misery, and suffering where ever he can. In the name of GÇ£just for kicksGÇ¥... for example The ice interdiction, strongly supporting hulkaggedon and Scamming Super Caps. He also thrives on the attention he derives from this activity. The Mittani trys to portray the most bad ass villain he can, taking extra effort to publicize the crushing of the weakest Victim. When he receives an eve mail from a person trying to gain sympathy from the attacker he goes on a feeding frenzy.
Mittani being a former lawyer GÇô probably has been one of the few people that has actually read the EULA, and the TOS. Mittani being evil for so long has heard an amazing amount of sob stories as people attempt to gain Mittani's sympathy in hope for him to play fair, and to return some of the stuff stolen or halt an attack.
So in that mind set: When he is told is a story, a story that is had been heard many times before, just some of the details has been changed and just like before to produce more care bear tears he shows no sympathy. Did anyone in that room immediately object to the Mittani after his presentation... Not from the video cast I say... why? -->Was it because we thought it was a part of the game? -->Or was our psychological tendency to see harm on other and be happy it was not me?
I don't know Mittani's victim personally in Real Life and can't say who is or who is not having suicidal tendencies. But I bet several people have lied about it to gain sympathy from others and after the current up rising many more will do so.
In summary: In Eve Online: you play an avatar. DO NOT volunteer any personal information. If people follow this rule real cases of people exploiting other people real life misery won't happen. We play in a game where Social combat is real and not a role of the dies. Stories, lies and political manoeuvring are encourage with in the game and not halted in like in MMO Care Bear Games.
Personally after seeing this current situation with the Mittani and I come across some one claiming hard time. I will refer them to the TOS, will have to claim they are simply telling me a story, filled with half truths or lies, and tell them that I am not down that path of play as I pod them. well said but fanfest is a gathering of physical bodies .. it is not in a virtual world ... its not skypefest ... to talk about something virtual? yes ... and he did not give a virtual presentation, he gave an actual run down of .... stuff ... seen on a physical screen, about something virtual? yes ... and he did not virtually/randomly suggest that the victim should goto his death ... he actually did it ... he said the word that he should not have spoken ... did he make a really big mistake? of course ... is a BAN too harsh? nope i think not
Source of the information was collected off of the Virtual Game and presented with in that Game's Event. This presentation happen in a presentation that was where people were Presenting their views as their views in game at the Alliance Pannel The Source was Virtual... there for any physical presents of this information is still Virtual
Prevent this from happening again we need to stop it at its source - people presenting non game relient information. Other wise I have to day it is just all lies I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:34:00 -
[2872] - Quote
actually jade this is one of the best posting opportunities in years |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:35:00 -
[2873] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Xython wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Xython wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Or the ones that can meta game better than the goons? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Is really funny as it's not "My CEO" and not "My Chairman" who's head is on the block. No, it's funny that the stupid ******* think that Mittani is in any actual danger. I mean christ, these Internet E-Lawyers actually were "very serious posting" about how Mittani is guilty of Cyberbullying and he could be arrested and put in prison, tut tut, very serious. Morons. We're posting in this thread (and the other one) because watching the clueless fucks run around going "oh god oh god we FINALLY GOT THAT EVIL GOONIE~" is some of the best chat **** we've seen in goddamned ages. Let me spell that out for all the pubbies: We're farming this thread for your outrage. Delicious tears, geddit? Hell, this will probably be it's own slide on Mittani's slideshow next year. Defending an alliance that openly laughs at your corp and only puts up with you for the rent is pretty pathetic imo. Mr Epeen  Hey, you found a running gag! Congratulations! |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
528
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:36:00 -
[2874] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Xython wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Xython wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Or the ones that can meta game better than the goons? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Is really funny as it's not "My CEO" and not "My Chairman" who's head is on the block. No, it's funny that the stupid ******* think that Mittani is in any actual danger. I mean christ, these Internet E-Lawyers actually were "very serious posting" about how Mittani is guilty of Cyberbullying and he could be arrested and put in prison, tut tut, very serious. Morons. We're posting in this thread (and the other one) because watching the clueless fucks run around going "oh god oh god we FINALLY GOT THAT EVIL GOONIE~" is some of the best chat **** we've seen in goddamned ages. Let me spell that out for all the pubbies: We're farming this thread for your outrage. Delicious tears, geddit? Hell, this will probably be it's own slide on Mittani's slideshow next year. you sounded so happy saying what you said ...
Yup! I'm finally getting in the right mindset for a PVP game. **** civility. |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:37:00 -
[2875] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...
or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways. EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions.
So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions? If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense? Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1663
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:37:00 -
[2876] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Xython wrote:RougeOperator wrote:This is the funniest post in the thread so far.
He mad. Actually, I find myself strangely aroused at all the pubbies getting pissed off. Does this mean I'm finally a real Goon? to be blunt, the goonies are probably about 10x madder on average than us "pub-lords" in this thread. Time-Lords would of been better but I can live with with Pub-Lords 
Apparently so I kinda like the term :)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Prince Kobol
425
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:39:00 -
[2877] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Xython wrote:RougeOperator wrote:This is the funniest post in the thread so far.
He mad. Actually, I find myself strangely aroused at all the pubbies getting pissed off. Does this mean I'm finally a real Goon? to be blunt, the goonies are probably about 10x madder on average than us "pub-lords" in this thread. Time-Lords would of been better but I can live with with Pub-Lords  Apparently so I kinda like the term :)
As somebody who has spent many of a time in pub lock ups which of course meant I had the up most respect for my pub land lord, I also love the Term Pub-Lord  |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
433
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:40:00 -
[2878] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...
or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways. EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions.
TOS and CSM guidelines would like to have a word with you.
|

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
109
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:43:00 -
[2879] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...
or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways. EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions. So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions? If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense? Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....  *facepalm* |

KanashiiKami
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:44:00 -
[2880] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Gevlin wrote:Eve is a world of information provided only by the user. Eve is competitive people will say and do anything to win. This includes lying your way into a corporation. Threatening to calling friends to attack you corp to oblivion because you stole their super cap. For some going to the point saying that his Mother and Wife died to cancer and his daughter is now diagnosed with Lung cancer and is feeling the effects of chemo therapy, and that life is tough in order to gain false sympathy in order to win at a game.
In the Eve Terms of service points #19 States
You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
This would include a person's own personal information.
So assuming this: whether you say you are a victim of ****, and child abuse, or an alien abductee I will have to assume they are just GÇ£StoriesGÇ¥ to entertain me or an attempt to motivate me to act in a certain way.
Mittani portrays him self as GÇ£THE VILLAINGÇ¥ within the game of eve. As a Villain it is his responsibility to cause misery, and suffering where ever he can. In the name of GÇ£just for kicksGÇ¥... for example The ice interdiction, strongly supporting hulkaggedon and Scamming Super Caps. He also thrives on the attention he derives from this activity. The Mittani trys to portray the most bad ass villain he can, taking extra effort to publicize the crushing of the weakest Victim. When he receives an eve mail from a person trying to gain sympathy from the attacker he goes on a feeding frenzy.
Mittani being a former lawyer GÇô probably has been one of the few people that has actually read the EULA, and the TOS. Mittani being evil for so long has heard an amazing amount of sob stories as people attempt to gain Mittani's sympathy in hope for him to play fair, and to return some of the stuff stolen or halt an attack.
So in that mind set: When he is told is a story, a story that is had been heard many times before, just some of the details has been changed and just like before to produce more care bear tears he shows no sympathy. Did anyone in that room immediately object to the Mittani after his presentation... Not from the video cast I say... why? -->Was it because we thought it was a part of the game? -->Or was our psychological tendency to see harm on other and be happy it was not me?
I don't know Mittani's victim personally in Real Life and can't say who is or who is not having suicidal tendencies. But I bet several people have lied about it to gain sympathy from others and after the current up rising many more will do so.
In summary: In Eve Online: you play an avatar. DO NOT volunteer any personal information. If people follow this rule real cases of people exploiting other people real life misery won't happen. We play in a game where Social combat is real and not a role of the dies. Stories, lies and political manoeuvring are encourage with in the game and not halted in like in MMO Care Bear Games.
Personally after seeing this current situation with the Mittani and I come across some one claiming hard time. I will refer them to the TOS, will have to claim they are simply telling me a story, filled with half truths or lies, and tell them that I am not down that path of play as I pod them. well said but fanfest is a gathering of physical bodies .. it is not in a virtual world ... its not skypefest ... to talk about something virtual? yes ... and he did not give a virtual presentation, he gave an actual run down of .... stuff ... seen on a physical screen, about something virtual? yes ... and he did not virtually/randomly suggest that the victim should goto his death ... he actually did it ... he said the word that he should not have spoken ... did he make a really big mistake? of course ... is a BAN too harsh? nope i think not Source of the information was collected off of the Virtual Game and presented with in that Game's Event. This presentation happen in a presentation that was where people were Presenting their views as their views in game at the Alliance Pannel The Source was Virtual... there for any physical presents of this information is still Virtual Prevent this from happening again we need to stop it at its source - people presenting non game relient information. Other wise I have to say it is just all lies
well anyway ... i think many people did understand right what he said about suicide .... i do not think he is asking the guy to ram his POD into a station LOL
so did he say too much and stepped over the virtual line? i think YES
how over did he stepped? to the tune of suggesting suicide? YES
should he be BANNED? i think so ... :D WUT ??? |
|

Vanir Tsero
Critical Mass Inc. Pinked
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:45:00 -
[2881] - Quote
So many people miss the point.
So many arguments regarding "He didn't do anything to you" or "This is Eve Online" or "Virtual vs Physical".
Sure, this is something all pilots in EvE Online should expect. Scams, threats, ignorance, maliciousness. It's all part of the game. This is a sandbox. We all know it happens and we all have thick skins. Noone here should be offended by what Mittens said. But it's not about "us".
This is about the rest of the world. This is how potential players see us. I for one would love to open the launcher and see 80,000 players online. It gives "us" more of a game to play. It also gives CCP more money to introduce amazing new content. Why would we want to tarnish the name of EvE Online and possibly dissuade players from joining us? That's exactly what happened in this case.
Many large scale gaming websites ran this story. Just reading the comments from those websites, it made me ashamed to be associated with eve. People all over are ignorant. They will take this story and blame eve online itself. They will consider each and every player in EvE online the same as Mittens. This is just simple truth. It's not something we can control. You can choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make anything "better". We are still looked down upon.
The bottom line is, Mittens did something that was frowned down upon by a portion of the eve community, and a tremendous amount of outside gamers who may never look at eve as a possible game in the future. This is the harm it has caused. That's the realization.
Personally, I have nothing against Mittens. I have thick skin and what was said doesn't bother me at all. I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house.
/end |

Prince Kobol
425
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:46:00 -
[2882] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...
or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways. EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions. So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions? If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense? Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....  *facepalm*
Sorry, Your a NPC Alt and should have no Voice 
Please try again |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
109
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:47:00 -
[2883] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...
or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways. EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions. So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions? If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense? Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....  *facepalm* Sorry, Your a a NPC Alt and should have no Voice  Please try again NPC corp is better than no corp. You're a non person, I am just a 2nd class citizen. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:48:00 -
[2884] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...
or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways. EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions. TOS and CSM guidelines would like to have a word with you. I've read both. Neither apply. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:50:00 -
[2885] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...
or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways. EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions. So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions? If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense? Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....  You literally cannot be this stupid. |

Prince Kobol
425
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:51:00 -
[2886] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
NPC corp is better than no corp. You're a non person, I am just a 2nd class citizen.
"2nd Class Citizen how dare you    
I am a Pub-Lord and Proud of it 
Also you are a NPC Alt and as such your opinion does not matter, I apologise for an inconvenience this may of caused. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:52:00 -
[2887] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Gevlin wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Gevlin wrote:Eve is a world of information provided only by the user. Eve is competitive people will say and do anything to win. This includes lying your way into a corporation. Threatening to calling friends to attack you corp to oblivion because you stole their super cap. For some going to the point saying that his Mother and Wife died to cancer and his daughter is now diagnosed with Lung cancer and is feeling the effects of chemo therapy, and that life is tough in order to gain false sympathy in order to win at a game.
In the Eve Terms of service points #19 States
You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
This would include a person's own personal information.
So assuming this: whether you say you are a victim of ****, and child abuse, or an alien abductee I will have to assume they are just GÇ£StoriesGÇ¥ to entertain me or an attempt to motivate me to act in a certain way.
Mittani portrays him self as GÇ£THE VILLAINGÇ¥ within the game of eve. As a Villain it is his responsibility to cause misery, and suffering where ever he can. In the name of GÇ£just for kicksGÇ¥... for example The ice interdiction, strongly supporting hulkaggedon and Scamming Super Caps. He also thrives on the attention he derives from this activity. The Mittani trys to portray the most bad ass villain he can, taking extra effort to publicize the crushing of the weakest Victim. When he receives an eve mail from a person trying to gain sympathy from the attacker he goes on a feeding frenzy.
Mittani being a former lawyer GÇô probably has been one of the few people that has actually read the EULA, and the TOS. Mittani being evil for so long has heard an amazing amount of sob stories as people attempt to gain Mittani's sympathy in hope for him to play fair, and to return some of the stuff stolen or halt an attack.
So in that mind set: When he is told is a story, a story that is had been heard many times before, just some of the details has been changed and just like before to produce more care bear tears he shows no sympathy. Did anyone in that room immediately object to the Mittani after his presentation... Not from the video cast I say... why? -->Was it because we thought it was a part of the game? -->Or was our psychological tendency to see harm on other and be happy it was not me?
I don't know Mittani's victim personally in Real Life and can't say who is or who is not having suicidal tendencies. But I bet several people have lied about it to gain sympathy from others and after the current up rising many more will do so.
In summary: In Eve Online: you play an avatar. DO NOT volunteer any personal information. If people follow this rule real cases of people exploiting other people real life misery won't happen. We play in a game where Social combat is real and not a role of the dies. Stories, lies and political manoeuvring are encourage with in the game and not halted in like in MMO Care Bear Games.
Personally after seeing this current situation with the Mittani and I come across some one claiming hard time. I will refer them to the TOS, will have to claim they are simply telling me a story, filled with half truths or lies, and tell them that I am not down that path of play as I pod them. well said but fanfest is a gathering of physical bodies .. it is not in a virtual world ... its not skypefest ... to talk about something virtual? yes ... and he did not give a virtual presentation, he gave an actual run down of .... stuff ... seen on a physical screen, about something virtual? yes ... and he did not virtually/randomly suggest that the victim should goto his death ... he actually did it ... he said the word that he should not have spoken ... did he make a really big mistake? of course ... is a BAN too harsh? nope i think not Source of the information was collected off of the Virtual Game and presented with in that Game's Event. This presentation happen in a presentation that was where people were Presenting their views as their views in game at the Alliance Pannel The Source was Virtual... there for any physical presents of this information is still Virtual Prevent this from happening again we need to stop it at its source - people presenting non game relient information. Other wise I have to say it is just all lies well anyway ... i think many people did understand right what he said about suicide .... i do not think he is asking the guy to ram his POD into a station LOL
How many other people have lied about this claim in game to gain sympathy from an aggressor. - Lieing in EVE is valid. The Source of the problem is people offering this invalid information to meta game the aggressor. The victim if telling the truth, he Broke the rules. If the Victim was lieing, which we can not confirm because of EULA and TOS. Would there be such a hoopla about it.
I am looking at hitting the problem: Providing personal Information in the game which you are not allowed to do, not the symptom the Mocking of a person who appears to be weak., which occurs so often in eve. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

KanashiiKami
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:53:00 -
[2888] - Quote
Vanir Tsero wrote:So many people miss the point.
So many arguments regarding "He didn't do anything to you" or "This is Eve Online" or "Virtual vs Physical".
Sure, this is something all pilots in EvE Online should expect. Scams, threats, ignorance, maliciousness. It's all part of the game. This is a sandbox. We all know it happens and we all have thick skins. Noone here should be offended by what Mittens said. But it's not about "us".
This is about the rest of the world. This is how potential players see us. I for one would love to open the launcher and see 80,000 players online. It gives "us" more of a game to play. It also gives CCP more money to introduce amazing new content. Why would we want to tarnish the name of EvE Online and possibly dissuade players from joining us? That's exactly what happened in this case.
Many large scale gaming websites ran this story. Just reading the comments from those websites, it made me ashamed to be associated with eve. People all over are ignorant. They will take this story and blame eve online itself. They will consider each and every player in EvE online the same as Mittens. This is just simple truth. It's not something we can control. You can choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make anything "better". We are still looked down upon.
The bottom line is, Mittens did something that was frowned down upon by a portion of the eve community, and a tremendous amount of outside gamers who may never look at eve as a possible game in the future. This is the harm it has caused. That's the realization.
Personally, I have nothing against Mittens. I have thick skin and what was said doesn't bother me at all. I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house.
/end
EXACTLY !!!! let me help this fine bloke here repeat this very nice sentence --->
" I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house."
now who did you say you love? mittens? .... no mittens you ... do not love us (as you said u do presenting the stuff @ fanfest).... YOU only loved yourself, and i think it is not helping the GAME ... heck it might even be detrimental to your own cause in goons ... now it has become detrimental to CCP didnt it ? you might as well BUY over CCP and play it all by yourselves right?
but of cos ... not if CCP shoves a probable BAN on you first ... because it belongs to CCP WUT ??? |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
109
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:55:00 -
[2889] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
NPC corp is better than no corp. You're a non person, I am just a 2nd class citizen.
"2nd Class Citizen how dare you     I am a Pub-Lord and Proud of it  Also you are a NPC Alt and as such your opinion does not matter, I apologise for an inconvenience this may of caused. No no, Im a 2nd class citizen, you are 3rd class as you have no corp. I clean the toilets, you sleep in the toilets. My opinion barely counts, you dont exist. You savy? |

Prince Kobol
425
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:58:00 -
[2890] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
NPC corp is better than no corp. You're a non person, I am just a 2nd class citizen.
"2nd Class Citizen how dare you     I am a Pub-Lord and Proud of it  Also you are a NPC Alt and as such your opinion does not matter, I apologise for an inconvenience this may of caused. No no, Im a 2nd class citizen, you are 3rd class as you have no corp. I clean the toilets, you sleep in the toilets. My opinion barely counts, you dont exist. You savy?
Sorry but you are in a NPC Corp and such your opinion does not matter.
I apologise for any inconvenience this may of caused. If you do not agree with this ruling then please contact one of the many Goonswarm representatives in game and I am sure they will be able to help you.
Thank you for your time |
|

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
81
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:58:00 -
[2891] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:Vanir Tsero wrote:So many people miss the point.
So many arguments regarding "He didn't do anything to you" or "This is Eve Online" or "Virtual vs Physical".
Sure, this is something all pilots in EvE Online should expect. Scams, threats, ignorance, maliciousness. It's all part of the game. This is a sandbox. We all know it happens and we all have thick skins. Noone here should be offended by what Mittens said. But it's not about "us".
This is about the rest of the world. This is how potential players see us. I for one would love to open the launcher and see 80,000 players online. It gives "us" more of a game to play. It also gives CCP more money to introduce amazing new content. Why would we want to tarnish the name of EvE Online and possibly dissuade players from joining us? That's exactly what happened in this case.
Many large scale gaming websites ran this story. Just reading the comments from those websites, it made me ashamed to be associated with eve. People all over are ignorant. They will take this story and blame eve online itself. They will consider each and every player in EvE online the same as Mittens. This is just simple truth. It's not something we can control. You can choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make anything "better". We are still looked down upon.
The bottom line is, Mittens did something that was frowned down upon by a portion of the eve community, and a tremendous amount of outside gamers who may never look at eve as a possible game in the future. This is the harm it has caused. That's the realization.
Personally, I have nothing against Mittens. I have thick skin and what was said doesn't bother me at all. I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house.
/end EXACTLY !!!! let me help this fine bloke here repeat this very nice sentence ---> " I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house." now who did you say you love? mittens? .... no mittens you ... do not love us (as you said u do presenting the stuff @ fanfest).... YOU only loved yourself, and i think it is not helping the GAME ... heck it might even be detrimental to your own cause in goons ... now it has become detrimental to CCP didnt it ? you might as well BUY over CCP and play it all by yourselves right? but of cos ... not if CCP shoves a probable BAN on you first ... because it belongs to CCP
You really shouldn't try to help anyone with anything involving language. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:02:00 -
[2892] - Quote
Xython wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Xython wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Or the ones that can meta game better than the goons? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Is really funny as it's not "My CEO" and not "My Chairman" who's head is on the block. No, it's funny that the stupid ******* think that Mittani is in any actual danger. I mean christ, these Internet E-Lawyers actually were "very serious posting" about how Mittani is guilty of Cyberbullying and he could be arrested and put in prison, tut tut, very serious. Morons. We're posting in this thread (and the other one) because watching the clueless fucks run around going "oh god oh god we FINALLY GOT THAT EVIL GOONIE~" is some of the best chat **** we've seen in goddamned ages. Let me spell that out for all the pubbies: We're farming this thread for your outrage. Delicious tears, geddit? Hell, this will probably be it's own slide on Mittani's slideshow next year.
But I have no outrage.
what is a socketpuppet anyway? |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1664
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:03:00 -
[2893] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Vanir Tsero wrote:So many people miss the point.
So many arguments regarding "He didn't do anything to you" or "This is Eve Online" or "Virtual vs Physical".
Sure, this is something all pilots in EvE Online should expect. Scams, threats, ignorance, maliciousness. It's all part of the game. This is a sandbox. We all know it happens and we all have thick skins. Noone here should be offended by what Mittens said. But it's not about "us".
This is about the rest of the world. This is how potential players see us. I for one would love to open the launcher and see 80,000 players online. It gives "us" more of a game to play. It also gives CCP more money to introduce amazing new content. Why would we want to tarnish the name of EvE Online and possibly dissuade players from joining us? That's exactly what happened in this case.
Many large scale gaming websites ran this story. Just reading the comments from those websites, it made me ashamed to be associated with eve. People all over are ignorant. They will take this story and blame eve online itself. They will consider each and every player in EvE online the same as Mittens. This is just simple truth. It's not something we can control. You can choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make anything "better". We are still looked down upon.
The bottom line is, Mittens did something that was frowned down upon by a portion of the eve community, and a tremendous amount of outside gamers who may never look at eve as a possible game in the future. This is the harm it has caused. That's the realization.
Personally, I have nothing against Mittens. I have thick skin and what was said doesn't bother me at all. I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house.
/end EXACTLY !!!! let me help this fine bloke here repeat this very nice sentence ---> " I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house." now who did you say you love? mittens? .... no mittens you ... do not love us (as you said u do presenting the stuff @ fanfest).... YOU only loved yourself, and i think it is not helping the GAME ... heck it might even be detrimental to your own cause in goons ... now it has become detrimental to CCP didnt it ? you might as well BUY over CCP and play it all by yourselves right? but of cos ... not if CCP shoves a probable BAN on you first ... because it belongs to CCP You really shouldn't try to help anyone with anything involving language.
Come on Kallynda you've been banging your head against the logical barrier all afternoon on the eula / tos issue and repeating things so often its like you are trying to will them into existence and change reality by stamping your forum feet really hard.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Prince Kobol
425
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:05:00 -
[2894] - Quote
From the Mittani's Apology Thread
The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis |

KanashiiKami
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:11:00 -
[2895] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:KanashiiKami wrote:Vanir Tsero wrote:So many people miss the point.
So many arguments regarding "He didn't do anything to you" or "This is Eve Online" or "Virtual vs Physical".
Sure, this is something all pilots in EvE Online should expect. Scams, threats, ignorance, maliciousness. It's all part of the game. This is a sandbox. We all know it happens and we all have thick skins. Noone here should be offended by what Mittens said. But it's not about "us".
This is about the rest of the world. This is how potential players see us. I for one would love to open the launcher and see 80,000 players online. It gives "us" more of a game to play. It also gives CCP more money to introduce amazing new content. Why would we want to tarnish the name of EvE Online and possibly dissuade players from joining us? That's exactly what happened in this case.
Many large scale gaming websites ran this story. Just reading the comments from those websites, it made me ashamed to be associated with eve. People all over are ignorant. They will take this story and blame eve online itself. They will consider each and every player in EvE online the same as Mittens. This is just simple truth. It's not something we can control. You can choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make anything "better". We are still looked down upon.
The bottom line is, Mittens did something that was frowned down upon by a portion of the eve community, and a tremendous amount of outside gamers who may never look at eve as a possible game in the future. This is the harm it has caused. That's the realization.
Personally, I have nothing against Mittens. I have thick skin and what was said doesn't bother me at all. I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house.
/end EXACTLY !!!! let me help this fine bloke here repeat this very nice sentence ---> " I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house." now who did you say you love? mittens? .... no mittens you ... do not love us (as you said u do presenting the stuff @ fanfest).... YOU only loved yourself, and i think it is not helping the GAME ... heck it might even be detrimental to your own cause in goons ... now it has become detrimental to CCP didnt it ? you might as well BUY over CCP and play it all by yourselves right? but of cos ... not if CCP shoves a probable BAN on you first ... because it belongs to CCP You really shouldn't try to help anyone with anything involving language.
you should not have read it ... :p WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:14:00 -
[2896] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:From the Mittani's Apology Thread The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis
see? now if some OTHER lawyers in game advises WIS to sue ... i wonder what will happen ? WUT ??? |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
81
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:15:00 -
[2897] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:you should not have read it ... :p Few people could have, you illiterate hobo. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:18:00 -
[2898] - Quote
Sensationalism Sells:
The actions of the Mittani is seen as Cyberbulling in some peoples eyes, and Cyberbulling is the Current buzz word of the Month. Since the out side world of eve is used to games that are all having PVE content the Social combat in eve is horrid. CCP does not want people spreading their personal information in game for that particular. So if a Villain like the Mittani picks on something then it is picking on a lie or some role playing people will bring it out of context..
In the end the source of the problem is people providing personal information GÇ£Real or otherwiseGÇ¥ to influence another. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:19:00 -
[2899] - Quote
this problem could have been avoided by not providing personal information. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
81
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:23:00 -
[2900] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:this problem could have been avoided by not providing personal information. Point out where any personal information was provided.
Go ahead, take your time. I'll wait. |
|

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
533
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:25:00 -
[2901] - Quote
I'm renewing my call for an "Auto-Block NPC Corp Posters" button. Grow a pair and post under your real character. |

Vanir Tsero
Critical Mass Inc. Pinked
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:26:00 -
[2902] - Quote
My post was not an attack against an individual.
I am simply pointing out that what Mittens said is said throughout EvE Online and the gaming community will turn a blind eye. It's universally known that EvE Online is a cut throat, hardcore gaming environment not suitable for most gamers.
The point is that once you obtain a seat of power, every little thing you say or do will be criticized. The problem is, it's not criticized by just EvE Online players anymore. It's criticized by the gaming community overall. This issue has become viral and has put us in such a bad spotlight it's disgusting.
I have the same opinion as most of you. I want this to go away. But I don't want to "ignore" it because that leaves the damage done. It would be like going into 50% structure with 0% Armor and saying "That never happened, let's just sweep that under the rug". Next time you fly out of station, you're still going to have 50% structure and 0% Armor.
We have to repair this if the CSM and EvE itself are going to be taken seriously. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:26:00 -
[2903] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Gevlin wrote:this problem could have been avoided by not providing personal information. Point out where any personal information was provided. Go ahead, take your time. I'll wait.
The entire email post describe his real life situation that includes comment about suicide and the reasons behind it. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Prince Kobol
425
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:27:00 -
[2904] - Quote
Xython wrote:I'm renewing my call for an "Auto-Block NPC Corp Posters" button. Grow a pair and post under your real character.
Then what would happen to all those Goons posting from their Alt NPC characters?
Ribbing to one side for a moment I personally believe that No alt posting should be allowed full stop on the forums. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:28:00 -
[2905] - Quote
all of which some people in the past people have lied about to gain sympath
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
81
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:28:00 -
[2906] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Gevlin wrote:this problem could have been avoided by not providing personal information. Point out where any personal information was provided. Go ahead, take your time. I'll wait. The entire email post describe his real life situation that includes comment about suicide and the reasons behind it.
Then he probably shouldn't have sent it to someone in Goonswarm. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:31:00 -
[2907] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Gevlin wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Gevlin wrote:this problem could have been avoided by not providing personal information. Point out where any personal information was provided. Go ahead, take your time. I'll wait. The entire email post describe his real life situation that includes comment about suicide and the reasons behind it. Then he probably shouldn't have sent it to someone in Goonswarm. Or maybe... You know... Someone shouldnt have dun goofed. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
533
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:35:00 -
[2908] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Gevlin wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Gevlin wrote:this problem could have been avoided by not providing personal information. Point out where any personal information was provided. Go ahead, take your time. I'll wait. The entire email post describe his real life situation that includes comment about suicide and the reasons behind it. Then he probably shouldn't have sent it to someone in Goonswarm. Or maybe... You know... Someone shouldnt have dun goofed.
His goof was not the slideshow, or mocking the player. His goof wasn't even asking people to harass him. His goof was mentioning the words "kill himself" in doing so.
If he had said "his name is The Wis, he has his own corp if you wish to let him know what you think about AFK Miner Bots" then we would be having this exact same discussion, because it's not about what Mittani said, it's about Mittani winning CSM7. |

Chokichi Ozuwara
Lucky Dragon Convenience
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:36:00 -
[2909] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Then he probably shouldn't have sent it to someone in Goonswarm. Irrelevant.
Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed. Start a corp and do it yourself. You'll fail, but you'll enjoy failing. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
81
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:37:00 -
[2910] - Quote
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Then he probably shouldn't have sent it to someone in Goonswarm. Irrelevant. Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed.
Pretty ******* relevant. If you divulge your personal info to some random on the internet, you lose any expectation of privacy. |
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KanashiiKami
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:38:00 -
[2911] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:this problem could have been avoided by not providing personal information.
quite true
but mittens being mittens .... looks very happy talking about all the poor folks he harassed .... isit the victims fault for ... mailing him stuffs after getting clobbered badly by him/goons? WUT ??? |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:38:00 -
[2912] - Quote
No one should be sending any eve mails to anyone describing their real life to anyone. Especially information to goons to try and gain sympathy from them or any aggressor.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

KanashiiKami
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:41:00 -
[2913] - Quote
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Then he probably shouldn't have sent it to someone in Goonswarm. Irrelevant. Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed.
yep now all CCP needs is to hopefully BAN him WUT ??? |

hioshi IV
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:41:00 -
[2914] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:No one should be sending any eve mails to anyone describing their real life to anyone. Especially information to goons to try and gain sympathy from them or any aggressor.
And how does excuse mitanus behavior anyway?
As a CSM representative, he must set the example, he didn't, he ashamed the entire eve community and ccp as a corporation. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:42:00 -
[2915] - Quote
I know this sound like blame the victim......
But you need to stop breaking the TOS and make you self into a potential victim.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
534
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:42:00 -
[2916] - Quote
hioshi IV wrote:Gevlin wrote:No one should be sending any eve mails to anyone describing their real life to anyone. Especially information to goons to try and gain sympathy from them or any aggressor.
And how does excuse mitanus behavior anyway? As a CSM representative, he must set the example, he didn't, he ashamed the entire eve community and ccp as a corporation.
Fainting couch is to the right. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:44:00 -
[2917] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Then he probably shouldn't have sent it to someone in Goonswarm. Irrelevant. Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed. Pretty ******* relevant. If you divulge your personal info to some random on the internet, you lose any expectation of privacy. Only this time the random happens to be someone really important and he told people to grief the player. Also Xython I can't really comment on the csm7 motives because I for one don't care if Mittens has/had the chair. |

Chokichi Ozuwara
Lucky Dragon Convenience
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:45:00 -
[2918] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Pretty ******* relevant. If you divulge your personal info to some random on the internet, you lose any expectation of privacy. Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed.
Start a corp and do it yourself. You'll fail, but you'll enjoy failing. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |

Prince Kobol
426
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:46:00 -
[2919] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Then he probably shouldn't have sent it to someone in Goonswarm. Irrelevant. Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed. Pretty ******* relevant. If you divulge your personal info to some random on the internet, you lose any expectation of privacy.
You could also argue that he was talking to the CSM Chairman at the time and considering his position didn't think he would then use it months later to further mock and humiliate him in front of thousands of people..
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KanashiiKami
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:47:00 -
[2920] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:No one should be sending any eve mails to anyone describing their real life to anyone. Especially information to goons to try and gain sympathy from them or any aggressor.
well he being in the mental state that he may be in ... he could write about anything ... so Mittens took it and brought it to fanfest like a shiny trophy. if there were 50 such mails, i believe mittens would have been very happy with his harassment results and took them ALL to fanfest in a extended slides version to present .... but to ADD the part of asking players to help him die ... is way overboard ...
i do not see anyway but that CCP should BAN mittani WUT ??? |
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Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:50:00 -
[2921] - Quote
hioshi IV wrote:Gevlin wrote:No one should be sending any eve mails to anyone describing their real life to anyone. Especially information to goons to try and gain sympathy from them or any aggressor.
And how does excuse mitanus behavior anyway? As a CSM representative, he must set the example, he didn't, he ashamed the entire eve community and ccp as a corporation.
Put on the Breaks.... People voted on who the mittani for who he in game... Mittani continues to remain the mittani even though he has the added responsibility of being a voice for the players...
Also while on the CSM panel - the Mittani did act differently when he was on the alliance panel.
The Mittani acts as a CSM Representative when he is a CSM Representative. Mittani does not Act as a CSM Representative when he is being the leader of the Goons... He acts like the leader of the Goons. For example - Being third party for super transactions.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
83
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:50:00 -
[2922] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Then he probably shouldn't have sent it to someone in Goonswarm. Irrelevant. Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed. Pretty ******* relevant. If you divulge your personal info to some random on the internet, you lose any expectation of privacy. You could also argue that he was talking to the CSM Chairman at the time and considering his position didn't think he would then use it months later to further mock and humiliate him in front of thousands of people.. Except that the original eve-mail wasn't sent to The Mittani. And even then, no you couldn't. |

Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
83
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:51:00 -
[2923] - Quote
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Pretty ******* relevant. If you divulge your personal info to some random on the internet, you lose any expectation of privacy. Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed.
Yessssss for making a tasteless joke. Do you know how many eve-mails just like this are posted out in the open for anyone to read? |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:54:00 -
[2924] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Pretty ******* relevant. If you divulge your personal info to some random on the internet, you lose any expectation of privacy. Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed. Yessssss for making a tasteless joke. Do you know how many eve-mails just like this are posted out in the open for anyone to read? Lol,keep telling yourself that... |

Chokichi Ozuwara
Lucky Dragon Convenience
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:55:00 -
[2925] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Pretty ******* relevant. If you divulge your personal info to some random on the internet, you lose any expectation of privacy. Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed. Yessssss for making a tasteless joke. Do you know how many eve-mails just like this are posted out in the open for anyone to read? Tu quoque is a logical fallacy.
I am not making a tasteless joke. This is what the Mittani has said.
Quote:I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel.
Quote:I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event.
Those are his words, not mine. Start a corp and do it yourself. You'll fail, but you'll enjoy failing. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:56:00 -
[2926] - Quote
Do not provide Personal Information in game!
Meta gamers are saying the information as lies. to get their way.
How can I tell the difference?....
Do i know the guy... is he just faking tears.... so I back down....?
Is he a Raiden dot alt playing the sympathy card?
there are so many what ifs.
The only way to stop hurting Real people is for this real information from being presented. The only way that can be done is by the victims... There are too many meta gamers out there that are trying to use this to their advantage.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

hioshi IV
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:57:00 -
[2927] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:hioshi IV wrote:Gevlin wrote:No one should be sending any eve mails to anyone describing their real life to anyone. Especially information to goons to try and gain sympathy from them or any aggressor.
And how does excuse mitanus behavior anyway? As a CSM representative, he must set the example, he didn't, he ashamed the entire eve community and ccp as a corporation. Put on the Breaks.... People voted on who the mittani for who he in game... Mittani continues to remain the mittani even though he has the added responsibility of being a voice for the players... Also while on the CSM panel - the Mittani did act differently when he was on the alliance panel. The Mittani acts as a CSM Representative when he is a CSM Representative. Mittani does not Act as a CSM Representative when he is being the leader of the Goons... He acts like the leader of the Goons. For example - Being third party for super transactions.
what breaks? you nuts? You even know how it feels like been bullied ? You even know what's feeling so down you want to kill yourself and people coming over making sure you die? there's no breaks here, he crossed a line, crossed it way beyond any possible excuse for his words, his behavior..
he must go, only way ccp can fix this on community eyes, for the media eyes, and for my eyes as well.
bullies cannot be tolerated, in any way shape or form! ever!
|

KanashiiKami
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 19:58:00 -
[2928] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:hioshi IV wrote:Gevlin wrote:No one should be sending any eve mails to anyone describing their real life to anyone. Especially information to goons to try and gain sympathy from them or any aggressor.
And how does excuse mitanus behavior anyway? As a CSM representative, he must set the example, he didn't, he ashamed the entire eve community and ccp as a corporation. Put on the Breaks.... People voted on who the mittani for who he in game... Mittani continues to remain the mittani even though he has the added responsibility of being a voice for the players... Also while on the CSM panel - the Mittani did act differently when he was on the alliance panel. The Mittani acts as a CSM Representative when he is a CSM Representative. Mittani does not Act as a CSM Representative when he is being the leader of the Goons... He acts like the leader of the Goons. For example - Being third party for super transactions.
voice yes ... for a certain group that voted for him ... some say its 20000 pilots ...
so it does not mean he DOES represent ALL of us :p WUT ??? |

Prince Kobol
427
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:02:00 -
[2929] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Pretty ******* relevant. If you divulge your personal info to some random on the internet, you lose any expectation of privacy. Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed. Yessssss for making a tasteless joke. Do you know how many eve-mails just like this are posted out in the open for anyone to read?
Not on the Eve Official forums as it is not permitted. |

1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:04:00 -
[2930] - Quote
hioshi IV wrote:Gevlin wrote:hioshi IV wrote:Gevlin wrote:No one should be sending any eve mails to anyone describing their real life to anyone. Especially information to goons to try and gain sympathy from them or any aggressor.
And how does excuse mitanus behavior anyway? As a CSM representative, he must set the example, he didn't, he ashamed the entire eve community and ccp as a corporation. Put on the Breaks.... People voted on who the mittani for who he in game... Mittani continues to remain the mittani even though he has the added responsibility of being a voice for the players... Also while on the CSM panel - the Mittani did act differently when he was on the alliance panel. The Mittani acts as a CSM Representative when he is a CSM Representative. Mittani does not Act as a CSM Representative when he is being the leader of the Goons... He acts like the leader of the Goons. For example - Being third party for super transactions. what breaks? you nuts? You even know how it feels like been bullied ? You even know what's feeling so down you want to kill yourself and people coming over making sure you die? there's no breaks here, he crossed a line, crossed it way beyond any possible excuse for his words, his behavior.. he must go, only way ccp can fix this on community eyes, for the media eyes, and for my eyes as well. bullies cannot be tolerated, in any way shape or form! ever!
Breaks? He should go to jail for what he did.. break??
I want him banned and removed permanently from CSM, ccp cannot keep him active, it will be a disgrace if ccp keeps him active. |
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1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:05:00 -
[2931] - Quote
Not to mention the media storm over all of this if ccp dont act |

MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:11:00 -
[2932] - Quote
With this witch hunt all you people have started. Please remember that you also will reap what you sow. If you push so hard for Mittens to get banned please don't wine when CCP bans you for something they consider bulling in game. If you think that this witch hunt will only affect him and no one else you are sadly a fool. |

KanashiiKami
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:14:00 -
[2933] - Quote
1Of9 wrote:hioshi IV wrote:Gevlin wrote:hioshi IV wrote:Gevlin wrote:No one should be sending any eve mails to anyone describing their real life to anyone. Especially information to goons to try and gain sympathy from them or any aggressor.
And how does excuse mitanus behavior anyway? As a CSM representative, he must set the example, he didn't, he ashamed the entire eve community and ccp as a corporation. Put on the Breaks.... People voted on who the mittani for who he in game... Mittani continues to remain the mittani even though he has the added responsibility of being a voice for the players... Also while on the CSM panel - the Mittani did act differently when he was on the alliance panel. The Mittani acts as a CSM Representative when he is a CSM Representative. Mittani does not Act as a CSM Representative when he is being the leader of the Goons... He acts like the leader of the Goons. For example - Being third party for super transactions. what breaks? you nuts? You even know how it feels like been bullied ? You even know what's feeling so down you want to kill yourself and people coming over making sure you die? there's no breaks here, he crossed a line, crossed it way beyond any possible excuse for his words, his behavior.. he must go, only way ccp can fix this on community eyes, for the media eyes, and for my eyes as well. bullies cannot be tolerated, in any way shape or form! ever! Breaks? He should go to jail for what he did.. break?? I want him banned and removed permanently from CSM, ccp cannot keep him active, it will be a disgrace if ccp keeps him active.
i do not know how real life legality will translate,
but in game wise i am hoping for CCP to BAN him. and possibly lifetime BAN all accounts.
WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
55
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:18:00 -
[2934] - Quote
MIrple wrote:With this witch hunt all you people have started. Please remember that you also will reap what you sow. If you push so hard for Mittens to get banned please don't wine when CCP bans you for something they consider bulling in game. If you think that this witch hunt will only affect him and no one else you are sadly a fool.
CCP usually only acts on exploits of game, and i believe i do hear of BANs due to racists remarks
MITTANI created a new "exploit" that only he could achieve and deals with real life ... at fanfest ... and only as a CSM ... hmmm he could be smiling reading this.
well anyway ... CCP ... pls pls ... you know wad i want to say ... the B word ... B B B B B !
WUT ??? |

PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
252
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:19:00 -
[2935] - Quote
CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
454
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:19:00 -
[2936] - Quote
MIrple wrote:With this witch hunt all you people have started. Please remember that you also will reap what you sow. If you push so hard for Mittens to get banned please don't wine when CCP bans you for something they consider bulling in game. If you think that this witch hunt will only affect him and no one else you are sadly a fool.
Witch hunt implies he did nothing wrong and is just being persecuted.
Sucks about it all being on video huh. Kinda ruins that Witch hunt concept you want to spin into the narrative.
This is the furthest thing from a witch hunt. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:21:00 -
[2937] - Quote
Most of us are geeks playing eve. Most of us have been bullied, infact that what makes us the worst bullies of all. The bullied are the worst bullies because they feel that since they were once the victim they can't do any thing wrong.
Hence the Flaming of Mittani. We are all taking our being bullied frustrations on him.
So what have you done for the victim? I was able to find him, offered to sit on guard in an Ospray with reps encase gankers came. and offered while I had the standing to keep attacking a GSC to summon the concord till my standing was no longer. I was told that was not needed. So I left. But I have left an offer to call me if he needed help in the future... Leaving him a GÇ£markerGÇ¥
Am I saying what the Mittani did was over the top. Yes! I also think a goon mind set was in place when he put the slide show together, with out removing the name of the individual from the post- (a goon needs an internet space ship face on his victim.) I also think the combination of Alcohol and per pressure to be the goon leader in front of his fellow goons in the audience caused his over the top reaction to go after a victim.
Personally I think that at Fan Feast anyone doing any formal presentation must be sober during those presentation. Which includes Alliance panel. Any Presentation involving the Live Stream needs to have an active moderator on stand by to circumvent the repeat of what happened.
So what can we do to prevent this from happening again:
No sharing of personal information. No Alcohol on any formal panel. The Alliance Leadership Panel is now to be seen as an official panel. A CCP representative now aware of what to look for leading the panel especially if it will be live streamed.
Banning Mittens?.. is punishing the symptom not fixing the problem. As there will always be another mittens just under a different name. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

KanashiiKami
55
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:22:00 -
[2938] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:MIrple wrote:With this witch hunt all you people have started. Please remember that you also will reap what you sow. If you push so hard for Mittens to get banned please don't wine when CCP bans you for something they consider bulling in game. If you think that this witch hunt will only affect him and no one else you are sadly a fool. Witch hunt implies he did nothing wrong and is just being persecuted. Sucks about it all being on video huh. Kinda ruins that Witch hunt concept you want to spin into the narrative. This is the furthest thing from a witch hunt.
arrgh my english is bad, you are right. i din even quite understand wad is witch hunt ...
WITCH HUNT IS A WRONG TERM TO USE *pawned* !!! WUT ??? |

Yukanojo
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:24:00 -
[2939] - Quote
Horatio hornblower! |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
459
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:25:00 -
[2940] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:Most of us are geeks playing eve. Most of us have been bullied, infact that what makes us the worst bullies of all. The bullied are the worst bullies because they feel that since they were once the victim they can't do any thing wrong.
Hence the Flaming of Mittani. We are all taking our being bullied frustrations on him.
So what have you done for the victim? I was able to find him, offered to sit on guard in an Ospray with reps encase gankers came. and offered while I had the standing to keep attacking a GSC to summon the concord till my standing was no longer. I was told that was not needed. So I left. But I have left an offer to call me if he needed help in the future... Leaving him a GÇ£markerGÇ¥
Am I saying what the Mittani did was over the top. Yes! I also think a goon mind set was in place when he put the slide show together, with out removing the name of the individual from the post- (a goon needs an internet space ship face on his victim.) I also think the combination of Alcohol and per pressure to be the goon leader in front of his fellow goons in the audience caused his over the top reaction to go after a victim.
Personally I think that at Fan Feast anyone doing any formal presentation must be sober during those presentation. Which includes Alliance panel. Any Presentation involving the Live Stream needs to have an active moderator on stand by to circumvent the repeat of what happened.
So what can we do to prevent this from happening again:
No sharing of personal information. No Alcohol on any formal panel. The Alliance Leadership Panel is now to be seen as an official panel. A CCP representative now aware of what to look for leading the panel especially if it will be live streamed.
Banning Mittens?.. is punishing the symptom not fixing the problem. As there will always be another mittens just under a different name.
And he would know from the precedent that he will be banned for trying to get someone killed IRL. |
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Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:28:00 -
[2941] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:.
This is the furthest thing from a witch hunt.
More like a kangaroo court.
Which is not surprising, because of the court of public opinion is almost always a kangaroo court, filled to the rafters with the howling lynch mob looking to string someone up to get their measure of revenge, or just further their own agenda.
CCP does and should have the final call about this, and hopefully will make their judgement based upon the details of the incident, and not what the unwashed masses are raging on about.
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Djavo
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:30:00 -
[2942] - Quote
People come and people go, this will die down soon enough, CCP will have had to give into the public pressure, Mittani will be gone from the CSM.
Drink or no drink, shameful to be honest... I've never been in the position of wanting to end my life, however; none of us know what the individual was going though, what state of mind he was in (going from wanting to take your own life, then it's a pretty f*cked up state of mind).
Did he feel he could confid in an individual, did he feel he could speak to this person for help!? We'll never know. |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:30:00 -
[2943] - Quote
MIrple wrote:With this witch hunt all you people have started. Please remember that you also will reap what you sow. If you push so hard for Mittens to get banned please don't wine when CCP bans you for something they consider bulling in game. If you think that this witch hunt will only affect him and no one else you are sadly a fool.
So I gotta watch out if in real life I tell thousands of people to "Go harass someone till he kills himself".
Okay. I'll try to remember not to do that.
It'll be hard, but I think I'll be able to handle it. |

Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:33:00 -
[2944] - Quote
if you remove the cause then you remove the effect.
The Mittani has felt bad about his actions. and had paid 11 Bill in isk to the victim and wrote a public letter of apology realizing his wrong doing..
Many people in several threads have threated or wished ill will of Mittani over the last few days... should we ban them too?
but all that is meaning less... we need to hit the cause of the problem not the symptom..
do not post personal information with in Eve. it is even in the TOS.
I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

KanashiiKami
55
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:35:00 -
[2945] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:Most of us are geeks playing eve. Most of us have been bullied, infact that what makes us the worst bullies of all. The bullied are the worst bullies because they feel that since they were once the victim they can't do any thing wrong.
Hence the Flaming of Mittani. We are all taking our being bullied frustrations on him.
So what have you done for the victim? I was able to find him, offered to sit on guard in an Ospray with reps encase gankers came. and offered while I had the standing to keep attacking a GSC to summon the concord till my standing was no longer. I was told that was not needed. So I left. But I have left an offer to call me if he needed help in the future... Leaving him a GÇ£markerGÇ¥
Am I saying what the Mittani did was over the top. Yes! I also think a goon mind set was in place when he put the slide show together, with out removing the name of the individual from the post- (a goon needs an internet space ship face on his victim.) I also think the combination of Alcohol and per pressure to be the goon leader in front of his fellow goons in the audience caused his over the top reaction to go after a victim.
Personally I think that at Fan Feast anyone doing any formal presentation must be sober during those presentation. Which includes Alliance panel. Any Presentation involving the Live Stream needs to have an active moderator on stand by to circumvent the repeat of what happened.
So what can we do to prevent this from happening again:
No sharing of personal information. No Alcohol on any formal panel. The Alliance Leadership Panel is now to be seen as an official panel. A CCP representative now aware of what to look leading the panel especially if it will be live streamed.
Banning Mittens?.. is punishing the symptom not fixing the problem. As there will always be another mittens just under a different name.
sounds sensible ...
BUT trying to gather support @ fabfest with his CSM stature and power as a goon leader, so as to actually try and make the fellow go into a suicide spiral is wrong very very wrong. whether info was passed or not, who in the right mind will want to suggest to have another player forced to a real death situation? of all these game related killings i have seen before in the news ... most of them are related to people of un-sound minds ....
IT IS VERY SAD to see something like this in EVE, a CSM to speak in such a way towards another player. WUT ??? |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:38:00 -
[2946] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...
or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways. EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions. So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions? If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense? Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....  You literally cannot be this stupid.
Your response lacks substance, was it too hard for you to understand? Or do you simply not have any valid argument? 
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |

KanashiiKami
55
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:44:00 -
[2947] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:if you remove the cause then you remove the effect.
The Mittani has felt bad about his actions. and had paid 11 Bill in isk to the victim and wrote a public letter of apology realizing his wrong doing..
Many people in several threads have threated or wished ill will of Mittani over the last few days... should we ban them too?
but all that is meaning less... we need to hit the cause of the problem not the symptom..
do not post personal information with in Eve. it is even in the TOS.
well WIS is not the first and the last harrassment project he has ... as evidenced by the slide show he has presented with glee and some comical acting ...
lets see now, how did it come to this state? the cause of these is from? .... ah ok ....
so IMO ... i suggest CCP BAN mittani, am i right to say so ? WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
55
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:45:00 -
[2948] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Comrade Commizzar wrote:Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...
or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways. EULA doesn't apply to out of game interactions. So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions? If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense? Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....  You literally cannot be this stupid. Your response lacks substance, was it too hard for you to understand? Or do you simply not have any valid argument? 
u have to be a professor of language of some sort to talk with kallynda ...
i am not 1 ... so i ask kally to stop reading my posts :p ... problem solved :p WUT ??? |

1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
16
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:45:00 -
[2949] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:if you remove the cause then you remove the effect.
The Mittani has felt bad about his actions. and had paid 11 Bill in isk to the victim and wrote a public letter of apology realizing his wrong doing..
Many people in several threads have threated or wished ill will of Mittani over the last few days... should we ban them too?
but all that is meaning less... we need to hit the cause of the problem not the symptom..
do not post personal information with in Eve. it is even in the TOS.
Your all smooth talking men, but that does not clean up what he did. He could had mocked all he wanted about that dudes losses and stuff, but wanting him to die and asking for others to help on the pressure to do so, is not excusable ....... |

Joe South
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:46:00 -
[2950] - Quote
Okay, I actually watched the panel conversation. Alex (aka Mittens) clearly didn't plan to discuss one (of 22) character names of the player who tried to lay the guilt trip on Goonswarm for their hunting ice miners. He just blurted it out as an afterthought to a question at the very end of the session.
None of us knows whether this character has real-life mental health issues or not. We don't even know his true identity (unlike The Mittani). We cannot act as though every interaction with such an anonymous player should be considered a serious real-life issue.
As I wrote elsewhere, The Mattani showed horrible judgment by allowing himself to get this drunk in a public forum when he represents a player base. He appears to be immature and unprofessional. He came across as someone who thinks he is way smarter than he really is. Maybe he's that way all the time; maybe it's the way he thinks he is supposed to be when he's playing "Mittens" in front of a crowd. In any case, he needs some serious self-reflection, without a doubt.
These are not, however, sufficient reasons to force him out of his role as a CSM member. He isn't a CCP employee; he does not represent the company. There are no stated qualifications related to maturity, grace, and good judgment for him to remain in this role. He's been elected, and although he demonstrated zero sensibility, he is still qualified to fulfill his role as a CSM member. Don't like this? Then vote for someone else next time. |
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Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:53:00 -
[2951] - Quote
Joe South wrote:Okay, I actually watched the panel conversation. Alex (aka Mittens) clearly didn't plan to discuss one (of 22) character names of the player who tried to lay the guilt trip on Goonswarm for their hunting ice miners. He just blurted it out as an afterthought to a question at the very end of the session.
None of us knows whether this character has real-life mental health issues or not. We don't even know his true identity (unlike The Mittani). We cannot act as though every interaction with such an anonymous player should be considered a serious real-life issue.
As I wrote elsewhere, The Mattani showed horrible judgment by allowing himself to get this drunk in a public forum when he represents a player base. He appears to be immature and unprofessional. He came across as someone who thinks he is way smarter than he really is. Maybe he's that way all the time; maybe it's the way he thinks he is supposed to be when he's playing "Mittens" in front of a crowd. In any case, he needs some serious self-reflection, without a doubt.
These are not, however, sufficient reasons to force him out of his role as a CSM member. He isn't a CCP employee; he does not represent the company. There are no stated qualifications related to maturity, grace, and good judgment for him to remain in this role. He's been elected, and although he demonstrated zero sensibility, he is still qualified to fulfill his role as a CSM member. Don't like this? Then vote for someone else next time.
I agree, and from Here I remain silent as I don't think I can add any more. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

conqueror2006
Eternal Silence Ltd.
24
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:55:00 -
[2952] - Quote
CCP only have one way.
Kick him from CSM and from game.
CSM person is a person that need to give example, need to be a neutral leader, a person that reach that position to defend the eve players, and not only some. What he had make, don-¦t have excuse.
Now there is a lot of comment, he was drunk.... can be ... but he was also when he had make the powerpoint !?!?!? .. of course not.. That only show that he is a person that don-¦t respect anyone and CCP can-¦t allowed that.
CCP NEED TO STOP THIS KIND OF ACTS THIS IS CYBER BULLING.
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Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:01:00 -
[2953] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:if you remove the cause then you remove the effect.
The Mittani has felt bad about his actions. and had paid 11 Bill in isk to the victim and wrote a public letter of apology realizing his wrong doing..
Many people in several threads have threated or wished ill will of Mittani over the last few days... should we ban them too?
but all that is meaning less... we need to hit the cause of the problem not the symptom..
do not post personal information with in Eve. it is even in the TOS.
11 billion is nothing to his alliance. Where do you think that isk came from? Mission running? CCP, Do something already. It can't take this long to look at what he did... EULA |

Largueles Amarr
La Famille Amarr
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:04:00 -
[2954] - Quote
He's had a lot of influence, and it's not the first time under his rule that the goons have laughed about suicide or nazism... How far can that go ? I really hope he resigns to prevent this kind of behavior going to far like that. Out of the game as well as in game, there should be limits, or else people get hurt. |

Prince Kobol
433
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:09:00 -
[2955] - Quote
Shepard Book wrote:Gevlin wrote:if you remove the cause then you remove the effect.
The Mittani has felt bad about his actions. and had paid 11 Bill in isk to the victim and wrote a public letter of apology realizing his wrong doing..
Many people in several threads have threated or wished ill will of Mittani over the last few days... should we ban them too?
but all that is meaning less... we need to hit the cause of the problem not the symptom..
do not post personal information with in Eve. it is even in the TOS.
11 billion is nothing to his alliance. Where do you think that isk came from? Mission running? CCP, Do something already. It can't take this long to look at what he did... EULA
It came from botting and RMT didn't it? |

Joe South
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:12:00 -
[2956] - Quote
Largueles Amarr wrote:He's had a lot of influence, and it's not the first time under his rule that the goons have laughed about suicide or nazism... How far can that go?.
The point is all this was the case before the election, and he still received more votes than anyone.
I don't agree with all that Goonswarm does, and my disagreements are not with their tactics as much as their in-game behaviors like the ones you mentioned. The only thing with which I would disagree more is kicking someone out of a CSM position to which he was elected when he acts the same way after the election as he did before.
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Azriel Geist
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:18:00 -
[2957] - Quote
He resigned, can we now move on from this? I'd really like to get back to GD being about spaceships, not space BS. |

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:19:00 -
[2958] - Quote
One of the worst posts in this thread, as far as understanding the issues goes.
Joe South wrote:Okay, I actually watched the panel conversation. Alex (aka Mittens) clearly didn't plan to discuss one (of 22) character names of the player who tried to lay the guilt trip on Goonswarm for their hunting ice miners. He just blurted it out as an afterthought to a question at the very end of the session.
Alex Gianturco posted the whiney mail from a player who the Goons claimed was running 22 accounts - in which the player (foolishly) shared suicidal inclings. If that was all he had done, it would be fine. It's not that he blurted out The Wis's name that's the problem. The exact quote is "Incidentally, if you wanna make the guy go kill himself, his name is The Wis. He has his own corp. Find him."
Maybe you see the problem there? A lot of us do. All of the gaming press do. It's a minor miracle that thus far no mainstream right-wing news network (e.g. Fox) or a leftist scaremonger (e.g. the BBC) have picked up this ball.
Joe South wrote:None of us knows whether this character has real-life mental health issues or not. We don't even know his true identity (unlike The Mittani). We cannot act as though every interaction with such an anonymous player should be considered a serious real-life issue.
Like so many others, this almost makes out the victim is to blame. It was foolish to share the RL issues with the Goons. No question about that. But for anyone to then say "Incidentally, if you wanna make the guy go kill himself, his name is The Wis. He has his own corp. Find him."
That's not The Wis's fault. That was just plain drunken stupidity from Mittens/Alex. As you say, he comes across imature and unprofessional. That's another problem for us - the players who elected him, and CCP who gave him a platform. Whenever that's a negative story about EVE's greifing culture - and there are a lot of them - Alex Gianturco's name is going to be associated with it. And right now he's a CSM!
Joe South wrote:These are not, however, sufficient reasons to force him out of his role as a CSM member. He isn't a CCP employee; he does not represent the company. There are no stated qualifications related to maturity, grace, and good judgment for him to remain in this role. He's been elected, and although he demonstrated zero sensibility, he is still qualified to fulfill his role as a CSM member. Don't like this? Then vote for someone else next time.
Sorry, but these are sufficient reasons to ask for his resignation.
Correct, he doesn't represent CCP formally, but he does formally represent the EVE player community, and since we're an MMO game, he represents a lot of what this game is about - it's community. We're not waiting for a chance to vote him out - a lot of us feel he needs to be gone already. And the longer this ticks along, the worse it makes the rest of the CSM look: indecisive, leaderless, almost zero PR savvy, and with no agenda for the good of the game here.
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Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:20:00 -
[2959] - Quote
Azriel Geist wrote:He resigned, can we now move on from this? I'd really like to get back to GD being about spaceships, not space BS.
I could care less if he resigned or not. I want to see what CCP makes out of public harrasement. |

Percival Gates
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:31:00 -
[2960] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:UPDATE 2012.03.27.17:37According to a notable game news media outlet, Mittani has expressed his intention to resign! Hopefully, EVE Online will be a better place without him. Hopefully, CSM could stand proud under the new leadership. And for those who are disappointed, do not despair! Goons will prevail under better leadership Why do you imply that Mittens is not only resigning from the CSM, but also GSF leadership and quitting Eve? I think you're just a wee bit too anxious to play head-hunter.
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Azriel Geist
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:31:00 -
[2961] - Quote
Taihbea wrote:Azriel Geist wrote:He resigned, can we now move on from this? I'd really like to get back to GD being about spaceships, not space BS. I could care less if he resigned or not. I want to see what CCP makes out of public harrasement.
You mean some drunken tasteless blunder of a joke, because last I checked the guy didn't actually get publicly harassed.
Keep blowing it out of proportion if you want to. |

DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:45:00 -
[2962] - Quote
ok, I just finished watching the 2012 fanfest alliance panel... wtf is you guys problem with what was said? from what i see, your whining and justification for reason also subjects several other members of the csm to the same harrassment and blah blah blah whaa whaa whaa tear drop reasons. No harm was truly done in my opinion, was just a bunch of drunken asshattery. You guys are getting carried away with this. Stop the whining, get over it. |

Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:46:00 -
[2963] - Quote
Thing is - the damage is done and that can't be undone. Again, if you let sh*t to happen, you should clean the sh*ts yourself. There were bunch of drunk peoples on that video - don't call the devil ... But, at the end, nothing will be changed because many (as I see) find this entertaining. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |

Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:55:00 -
[2964] - Quote
Anyone heard the round tables on Eve Radio ? mittani said that if someone goes to hospital because of him, he feels that he's done a good job. Now this. Clearly the guy is mean all the way and has no limits.
Perma ban. |

Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:59:00 -
[2965] - Quote
Azriel Geist wrote:He resigned, can we now move on from this? I'd really like to get back to GD being about spaceships, not space BS.
It is not over till CCP says its over. I am waiting to see what they do. |

JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:03:00 -
[2966] - Quote
CCP doesn't _need_ to do anything.
The news story is now "Drunken fool resigns CSM Chair after calling for players to harass someone." This will defuse the media "storm". If it doesn't - but my gut tells me this is enough - he can still resign from the CSM altogether.
This threadnaught is dead to me now. |

KanashiiKami
57
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:05:00 -
[2967] - Quote
Taihbea wrote:Azriel Geist wrote:He resigned, can we now move on from this? I'd really like to get back to GD being about spaceships, not space BS. I could care less if he resigned or not. I want to see what CCP makes out of public harrasement.
i agree, and to the extent of suggesting suicide. WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
57
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:16:00 -
[2968] - Quote
Scien Inkunen wrote:Thing is - the damage is done and that can't be undone. Again, if you let sh*t to happen, you should clean the sh*ts yourself. There were bunch of drunk peoples on that video - don't call the devil ... But, at the end, nothing will be changed because many (as I see) find this entertaining.
damage done, by mittani? yes definately lots of it. i think he be very happy with the result.
cant be undone, of cos it cannot be undone. you cannot eat your words back, especially to the magnitude of suggesting suicide. you cannot rewind time, even though you can jump titans around, time still moves forward in EVE.
clean his own sxxx ? ... nope i think his intention is to sxxx on everyone that he comes across to his own amusment and entertainment, n his followers. so i do not think he will clean it, i think he really wants his victims to smell really bad after he ***** on them (as evidenced by the way he presents his victims during fanfest)
drunk? i think they are having a slight buzz. as pointed out by his fellow CSM in the video, "i can hear your speech clearly, you are not drunk ... " ... and of course he did present his comical presentation effectively, doesnt smell like drunk to me too.
true we all play this game for entertainment, but i do not like the suggestion he made at fanfest about having someone forced to suicide, i do not find that an entertainment. Do you CCP?
so well then, my suggestion to CCP as usual .... perma BAN pls for mittani. WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
57
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:19:00 -
[2969] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:CCP doesn't _need_ to do anything.
The news story is now "Drunken fool resigns CSM Chair after calling for players to harass someone." This will defuse the media "storm". If it doesn't - but my gut tells me this is enough - he can still resign from the CSM altogether.
This threadnaught is dead to me now.
dead is what one might say of mittani's CSM-ship
and hopefully also if CCP allows, his entire gameplay in EVE, if CCP should choose to allow him to be perma BANNED WUT ??? |

Geodeath
Fist of God
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:22:00 -
[2970] - Quote
Let me start by asking when did joking about driving somebody to end their life become funny?
I work in a real life high stress job and have done so for nearly a decade. I am responsible for the care and security of 250 people and the staff that supervises them every day. I have had two staff members kill themselves and coumtless inmates try to kill themselves. Drunk, game, just stupid, or mean is never an excuse to not take seriously another human in distress...even if you created the situation that has distressed them. In my line of work the legal term for this is "deliberate indifference". That is a felony in my state and people have gone to prison for it.
Now, I know this is just a game, but as a human being, pushing people to the point of complete mental breakdown resulting in death is wrong. This just being a game, the proper course of action is removing a person from from the game that would take so lightly their real world responsibility to another human being.
If you want to flame me, stop a suicide attempt in progress first. Cover bloody arms with your bare hands, cut sheets off a barely living person that are so tight you can't untie the knots. If you still think it's funny, then say I am wrong to have no respect for those who would even joke about driving someone to suicide over a ******* video game. |
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
325
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:24:00 -
[2971] - Quote
CCP should really permaban badposters on this forum.
Also IBTL. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
625
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:27:00 -
[2972] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:CCP should really permaban badposters on this forum.
Also IBTL. Almost 150 pages, a little late to add this pointless quip. |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
153
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:27:00 -
[2973] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:CCP should really permaban badposters on this forum.
Also IBTL.
They're unlikely to lock this one as it's one they direct people to.
Or do you post IBTL on most of your posts? |

james ayyhan
Capital Maintenance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:30:00 -
[2974] - Quote
mittan enjoyed every second stating the name and telling everyone to taunt the man. yes mittan had a drink but was not drunk after chating with him later that day and again in the night.
ccp need to step up on this and ban him their is no question what he did was intended to course pain and harm. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1682
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:39:00 -
[2975] - Quote
Well he resigned as Chair, its the minimum he could do really. So for the moment I'm satisfied and back to spaceships. All the best everyone :)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
39
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:44:00 -
[2976] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Well he resigned as Chair, its the minimum he could do really. So for the moment I'm satisfied and back to spaceships. All the best everyone :)
Just an attempt to soften any blow from ccp that The Mittani would get, and if CCP does fall for it... would be such a shame |

Bill Banner
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:47:00 -
[2977] - Quote
It's over.
He apologized and stepped down as chairman.
He received a 30 day ban, and as a result forfeits his position on CSM 7.
In the context of how I interact with EVE, this is good enough for me. |

KanashiiKami
58
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:49:00 -
[2978] - Quote
Acwron wrote:Anyone heard the round tables on Eve Radio ? mittani said that if someone goes to hospital because of him, he feels that he's done a good job. Now this. Clearly the guy is mean all the way and has no limits.
Perma ban.
eve radio? is there a record of that? LOL ... my my ... the amount of stuff he leaves in internet is quite something ... WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
58
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:51:00 -
[2979] - Quote
link the news feed pls ... really this is CCP decision ? WUT ??? |

james ayyhan
Capital Maintenance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:51:00 -
[2980] - Quote
yes hes very sorry about it all and taking it as he is sent a ceo update have a read and then judge. http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/ the damage has been done but its not over and giving him a 30day ban is nothing less then a joke. |
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GassyLassie
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:52:00 -
[2981] - Quote
a 30 day ban for some one who pre meditated a presentation to get some one to kill themselves is rather weak.
Maybe its just me.
Sad world we live in where people defend such actions. |

Durr Hurrr Durr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:53:00 -
[2982] - Quote
forfeited his right to serve on CSM 7 |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
115
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:53:00 -
[2983] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Well he resigned as Chair, its the minimum he could do really. So for the moment I'm satisfied and back to spaceships. All the best everyone :)
Just an attempt to soften any blow from ccp that The Mittani would get, and if CCP does fall for it... would be such a shame
Some people are just never happy.
Look on the bright side though. Now there's less standing between E-UNI and it's attempt to turn EvE into a dec-shielded carebear festival. |

Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
40
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:54:00 -
[2984] - Quote
Hey 10,000 votes went to waste, Please fill these buckets for me, see you in 30 days Mittens |

Durr Hurrr Durr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:56:00 -
[2985] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:Hey 10,000 votes went to waste, Please fill these buckets for me, see you in 30 days Mittens
Your titan is still getting nerfed |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
218
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:58:00 -
[2986] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:link the news feed pls ... really this is CCP decision ?
It says it right there in his link.
"The panelist has subsequently posted a public apology as well as a private apology to the victim of his attack. He has also resigned from his position as Chairman of CSM 6 and has forfeited his right to serve on CSM 7. As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review."
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 |

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:02:00 -
[2987] - Quote
Quote:Some people are just never happy.
Look on the bright side though. Now there's less standing between E-UNI and it's attempt to turn EvE into a dec-shielded carebear festival.
The War Dec changes that Mittani pushed for, you know, making it billions of ISK to attack large corporations, was pure Null Bear. |

james ayyhan
Capital Maintenance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:03:00 -
[2988] - Quote
just to look at Twitter from the date in question. leaves a lot of apologize for after feeling the gilt. http://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani
The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable. 26 Mar lostoffworld GÇÅ @lostoffworld Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open Gordo the Lizard has rallied and is now being flirtatious with @TheMittani #tweetfleet #fanfest2012recovery http://pic.twitter.com/cy90hxIe Retweeted by The Mittani View photo 25 Mar Seismic Stan GÇÅ @Freebooted Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open @themittani finally gets his comeuppance at the fist of @palligretar #evefanfest #tweetfleet #deathtosupercapitalists http://pic.twitter.com/Q90TBfek Retweeted by The Mittani View photo 26 Mar The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open @HelicityBoson Yo, we need to talk - the Jita thing + Hulkageddon, now that you're back. ~let's do this~ In reply to Helicity Boson 25 Mar The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open Islenski barrinn (again) #tweetfleet #evefanfest 25 Mar The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open latenight hanging out with cflux and the finfleet crowd, much reminiscing about the old great war days #tweetfleet #eveonline #evefanfest 24 Mar The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open Thanks to my legions of voters, we broke 10k - a mandate. Victory lap in Jita when I return from Reyk. #tweetfleet #csm7 #eveonline 24 Mar Togor GÇÅ @Togor_insapiens Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open @Lostineve CSM round table or hungover discussions #evefanfest http://pic.twitter.com/aKdvlQwn Retweeted by The Mittani View photo 24 Mar The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open oh god what the **** why must i be awake and do a csm roundtable at 11:00 someone ******* kill me #evefanfest #tweetfleet #pubcrawlhangover 23 Mar The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open also holy ****, there are people who play #eveonline yet still find profanity offensive, how adorable #tweetfleet #letusgankyousome 23 Mar The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open today i need to select a european nation at random, then vehemently insist upon its nonexistence. #evefanfest #tweetfleet #eveonline 23 Mar The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open all tomorrow at #evefanfest: rocking wizard hat and sunglasses. ~deal wiz it~ #tweetfleet #eveonline 22 Mar The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open @darktobby could be worse, i could have an animu avatar like you! In reply to Dark Tobby 22 Mar The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani Reply Retweet Favorite -+ Open THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CSM IS NOT ALLOWED TO DRINK OR SWEAR HURF BLURF ABLOOBLOOBLOO #tweetfleet #eveonline (kill yourself) The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani Close sadsack pubbies are mad that i ~swore in public~ and drank at #evefanfest, then started to cry on the forums abloobloobloo #tweetfleet
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1683
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:04:00 -
[2989] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Well he resigned as Chair, its the minimum he could do really. So for the moment I'm satisfied and back to spaceships. All the best everyone :)
Actually having just read his whiny self-pitying childish attempt to lash out at everyone involved from the media to eve players to myself personally - I'm going to retract that statement and say he deserves absolutely everything he got.
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
What a loser.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
218
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:05:00 -
[2990] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Well he resigned as Chair, its the minimum he could do really. So for the moment I'm satisfied and back to spaceships. All the best everyone :)
Actually having just read his whiny self-pitying childish attempt to lash out at everyone involved from the media to eve players to myself personally - I'm going to retract that statement and say he deserves absolutely everything he got. http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/What a loser.
CCP apparently wasnt happy with his resignation from the chair. |
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thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
90
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:06:00 -
[2991] - Quote
in B4 a lot of tearful angry goons. -QUICK TO TISSUEMOBILE!!!!  I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal.. |

Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
40
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:07:00 -
[2992] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Well he resigned as Chair, its the minimum he could do really. So for the moment I'm satisfied and back to spaceships. All the best everyone :)
Actually having just read his whiny self-pitying childish attempt to lash out at everyone involved from the media to eve players to myself personally - I'm going to retract that statement and say he deserves absolutely everything he got. http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/What a loser. CCP apparently wasnt happy with his resignation from the chair.
It was an attempt by the mittani to soften the blow, though 30 days is too little, I'm happy with it, and another thing he should be forfeit from running in any future csm runnings. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1684
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:08:00 -
[2993] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Well he resigned as Chair, its the minimum he could do really. So for the moment I'm satisfied and back to spaceships. All the best everyone :)
Actually having just read his whiny self-pitying childish attempt to lash out at everyone involved from the media to eve players to myself personally - I'm going to retract that statement and say he deserves absolutely everything he got. http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/What a loser. CCP apparently wasnt happy with his resignation from the chair as the only outcome.
Well all I can say is perhaps they got that leak from the message he sent to the goons because he comes across as some foot stamping entitled trust fund princess who thinks the world owes him a living. A truly terrible display and my thanks to EN24 for leaking it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
115
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:09:00 -
[2994] - Quote
Well, looks like there's going to be a lot of interesting stuff going on this year...thanks to the goons.
Burning down Jita...should be a lovely party. |

KanashiiKami
58
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:11:00 -
[2995] - Quote
well then ... there must be something else up mittanis sleaves ... WUT ??? |

Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:13:00 -
[2996] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:well then ... there must be something else up mittanis sleaves ...
The mass assault of jita until they run out of funds forget to pay their alliance dues and then cascade from their, or until someone tries to relaunch their attack into that territory. Honestly I hope they do attack jita, divide up the hubs, it's a pit of decay anyhow it's practically a favor. |

james ayyhan
Capital Maintenance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:15:00 -
[2997] - Quote
ccp needs to ban him for life to set a example. the 30 day ban sends out the wrong message for gamers and to the industry.
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james ayyhan
Capital Maintenance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:16:00 -
[2998] - Quote
i can only think that sony has having second thoughts about dust with ccp. |

YUMAD BRO
Aliastra Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:17:00 -
[2999] - Quote
wow listen to all these fkn carebears on the warpath lolol...
Dont worry, soon your time will be up nubs :)
and remember kiddies, Its down the highway, not across the road.
Fkn downys |

Callduron
88
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:19:00 -
[3000] - Quote
I think that's pretty fair. Everyone does dumb things and in this case fortunately there were no tragic consequences. In fact the miner is probably a little bewildered by all the sudden attention.
The only stronger action that could have been taken was a lifetime ban or calling the police. I don't think a lifetime ban is appropriate because I think CCP is partly to blame. It's a really bad idea to mix public streamed broadcasting with a culture of getting paralytically drunk. As for the police that should be a matter for the victim, if he doesn't wish to press charges the matter should end there.
I'm sure too that The Mittani has learned a lesson and I hope he continues to enjoy roleplaying a villain without letting it cross over too far into real life consquences.
Eve is a brutal pvp sandbox with no safe zones (other than staying docked up). Highsec isn't a safe zone it's a pvp is punished zone. However it does attract a lot of players who are quite happy doing their own private introverted thing. Possibly the game could do more in the New Player Experience to help people understand the nature of the universe they're entering.
As for the Mittani I'm sure he'll continue to make headlines and I imagine he'll be Chair of CSM 8 if he's still interested (and if his wife lets him). |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1065
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:47:00 -
[3001] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Headline April: Mittens booted from CSM. Pubbies win meta game. Mr Epeen 
I'm a goddam psychic.
For 500m I will tell you your future as well.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:52:00 -
[3002] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Headline April: Mittens booted from CSM. Pubbies win meta game. Mr Epeen  I'm a goddam psychic. For 500m I will tell you your future as well. Mr Epeen  Only if you promise there's a tall, dark stranger in mine. 
I personally never thought in a million years he would get removed from the CSM by CCP. So, I guess you get a cookie.
(::) |

KanashiiKami
59
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:53:00 -
[3003] - Quote
james ayyhan wrote:ccp needs to ban him for life to set a example. the 30 day ban sends out the wrong message for gamers and to the industry.
i agree, but that is CCP's stand ...
as much i agree for a life BAN on all accounts ...
just like how patches are buggged everytime .... CCP doesnt seem to be getting a hold of things very well ...
too bad i like space ships ... WUT ??? |

Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
793
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:18:00 -
[3004] - Quote
The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Joe South
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:24:00 -
[3005] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:One of the worst posts in this thread, as far as understanding the issues goes.
You lack of tact notwithstanding, I will begin by stating we probably agree more than you realize. If Eve players wish to use these forums and other media to request Alex to resign, I have no problem with that. It's fine by me if he chooses to resign. He should not be forced by CCP to resign, in my assessment, and I am looking at all the relevant facts rather than simply the one offending line in making that assessment. I didn't vote for Alex this time, and I won't vote for him next time. It's okay with me if he quits -- but allowing a select group to force him out by noise in the system is unacceptable to me given all the other factors I mention above (not a CCP employee, elected when his game persona is known, violated no known requirements to stay, etc.).
Now, let's explore a few differences, where I choose to consider all the events and not just a single, unplanned remark.
First, I am not blaming any victim. This is a typical tactic where you realize I am not blaming a victim, but you cannot resist adding that comment anyway in the form of, "this almost makes out the victim is to blame." You do not refute any argument I make with such a lame, flawed association.
Second, the reality is no one believes Alex's offensive comment was intended to encourage other Eve players to pursue a path that could lead to a player harming himself. It was a very poor attempt at humor, jabbing at a crybaby miner trying to lay a guilt trip on someone else. We all know "The Wis" (hint -- not his real name) has 21 other accounts, so there is no practical way having us be encouraged to attack that toon even limits that player's game options all that much. There's certainly no way any reasonable person would consider this a potential catalyst for suicide. The Mittani knows this; The Wis knows this; you know this. Because The Mittani, the in-game character, is a notorious shyster, some people are eager to believe his real-life personality wishes the same type of harm on people. I don't know the man named Alex, but I simply do not accept that he is that way based on this single incident.
These assertions about Alex buying a "cyber-bully" rely on a lot of facts not established or that are simply overstated. For example, if Alex had stated something like, "The guy's real life name is Joe Schmoe from Kokomo, and he is an infantile baby who wets the bed. I want all of you to call and harass him in real life about [whatever]." That is encouraging others to be bullies. Now, check out this generic definition of bullying and put it in the context of this situation:
http://definitions.uslegal.com/b/bullying/
Note these particular criteria used for a school (below). What The Mattani said was mean and stupid, to be sure, but it doesn't meet these criteria at all. Unlike my fake example above, The Mattani was not asking any of us to physically harm someone or even encourage him to harm himself. It just didn't happen that way. For these reasons, we should not kick out someone who was elected because some people don't like him now (or my guess is the harshest critics didn't like him before). We should honor the process and rules by which he was elected. That's my position.
Quote:"GÇ£...bullyingGÇ¥ means any physical act or gesture or any verbally, written or electronically communicated expression that a reasonable person should expect will have the effect of:
1. Physically harming a student or damaging a studentGÇÖs property.
2. Placing a student in reasonable fear of physical harm or damage to his/her property; or
3. Substantially disrupting the instructional program or the orderly operations of the school; or
4. Is so severe, persistent, or pervasive that it creates an intimidating, hostile educational environment for the student who is bullied." |

Elevorot
StarFckers Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:39:00 -
[3006] - Quote
Honestly, this is the worst attempt to coax someone into suicide I've ever seen. It's far to blatant and in your face to be serious, and only a complete moron would think of it that way. You're indulging the 'victim' here, and showing them that their life has value and meaning. Even if that meaning is continual greifing, it's attention, the very thing lacking from their existence and the source of their misery. If anything, you've given them reason to live.
A call to arms to have someone suicide is the least effective way I can think of to make a person end their life. Next time, try playing with their psychological instabilities instead of making them a focal point of attention.
~El. |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
433
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:42:00 -
[3007] - Quote
No. 38 20, April 2011
Media Law
Section I, Aims and Definitions
Article 1, Aims
The aim of this Act is to promote freedom of expression, freedom of information, media literacy, diversity and pluralism in media and to enhance consumer protection in this area. The Act also aims at establishing a coordinated regulatory framework for media services irrespective of the type of media employed.
Article 2, Definitions
13. Medium: any medium which regularly provides the public with content which is subject to editorial control. Media include, amongst other things, newspapers and periodicals, together with their supplements, internet media, audiovisual media and other comparable media.
40. Receiver: any device that receives and relays media content, e.g. a television, radio, computer, palm-top computer or mobile telephone.
42. Broadcast signal: a transmission wave, carried over a wire or by radio, which conveys audiovisual content to receivers and/or decoders, either in digital or analogue form.
Section II, Scope and Jurisdiction
Article 3, Scope
This Act covers all media which make content available to the public in Iceland, taking the provisions of Article 4 into account. It therefore applies to all audio and audiovisual content, whether in paid access or open access, linear or on demand, and all text-based content, whether this is presented in printed, or other comparable form, or electronically.
Article 4, Jurisdiction over audiovisual media service providers.
Iceland shall have jurisdiction over media service providers that transmit audiovisual content and are established in Iceland. Such entities shall be regarded as being established in Iceland in the following instances.
a. When they have their headquarters in Iceland and decisions on programming and other matters covered by editorial responsibility are taken in Iceland.
b. When they have their headquarters in Iceland and decisions on programming and other matters covered by editorial responsibility are taken in another state, or vice versa, providing that a substantial part of the workforce involved in the pursuit of audiovisual media service activity is employed in Iceland.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
433
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:42:00 -
[3008] - Quote
b.Section III, Administration
Article 11, Procedure
Complaints arising from alleged violations of the provisions of this Act shall be submitted to the Media Commission. The Media Commission shall decide whether complaints received give sufficient occasion for further treatment. When dealing with matters under this Act, the Media Commission may rank them in order of priority. Furthermore, the Media Commission may look into matters at its own initiative.
Article 12, Special investigative authorisation
The Media Commission may require media service providers to submit information in writing and other content in connection with alleged violations of this Act, in which case such information and content shall be submitted before an appropriate deadline set by the Commission.
Section IV, Registration of media, licences for the provision of audiovisual media services, transparency, provision of information, etc.
Article 14, Registration of media
All activities covered by the scope of this Act and not subject to the issue of a licence shall be subject to a registration requirement. A media service provider that does not provide audiovisual media services which are subject to a licence requirement shall notify the Media Commission of its operations before they commence. Notifications as provided for under the first paragraph of this Article shall be in writing and shall include information on the identity of the media service provider in question, its ID No., legal domicile, e-mail address and URL, the name of the medium or media which it operates, the name of the person liable, its editorial or programming policy, its call-sign (where appropriate) and the ownership structure of the media service provider in question. The person liable for the media service provider shall be domiciled in Iceland and be legally and financially competent. Media service providers shall inform the Media Commission of any changes to their circumstances that may occur and that have a bearing on the information on which their notifications under the second paragraph of this Article are based.
Article 27, Prohibition against hate speech and incitement to criminal behavior
Media service providers may not incite people to criminal behaviour. They shall be forbidden to encourage hatred in the media on grounds of race, gender, sexual orientation, religious belief, nationality, opinion or cultural, economic, social or other standing in society.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
433
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:44:00 -
[3009] - Quote
Section IX, Liability, sanctions, enforcement, etc.
Article 50, Liability for audiovisual content
If audio or audiovisual content contravenes the law, criminal and compensatory liability shall apply as follows.
a. An individual who makes a statement in his own name, presents or conveys content that he has composed himself and/or conveys content composed by another party in accordance with his decision, shall be liable for it if he is domiciled in Iceland or is subject to Icelandic jurisdiction on other grounds.
c. In other cases, the content manager in question and/or the person liable for the media service provider shall be liable for the content made available.
Media service providers shall be liable for the payment of fines and compensation payments that their employees may be ordered to pay under this Article.
Media service providers shall be obliged to provide any persons who consider they are the victims of a violation as a result of the transmission of audiovisual content with information indicating who is liable for the content.
Article 54, Executive fines
*The Media Commission shall impose executive fines on legal persons in the event of violations of the following provisions:
f. Article 27, on criminal conduct.
(g. The first, second and third paragraphs of Article 28, on the protection of minors against harmful content.)
Fines under the first...paragraph of this Article may amount to up to ISK 10 million.*
Article 56, Sanctions
The person liable for a media service provider, its employees or its directors, who commit, or cause others to commit, violations of the following provisions of this Act, shall be fined or imprisoned for up to six months if there is a high degree of culpability.
g. Article 27, on criminal conduct.
h. The first, second and third paragraphs of Article 28, on the protection of minors against harmful content.
Article 57, Lodging of complaints with the police
Violations of this Act shall only be investigated by the police following the lodging of a complaint by the Media Commission or, as appropriate, the Post and Telecom Administration.
If a violation of this Act involves criminal liability for both a natural and a legal person, the Media Commission or, as appropriate, the Post and Telecom Administration, shall decide whether, in view of the seriousness of the violation and law-enforcement considerations, the case is to be made the subject of a complaint to the police in part or in its entirety. If violations are serious, the Commission in question shall be obliged to refer them to the police. Consistency shall be observed in the handling of comparable cases.
Article 65, Amendments to Other Legislation
4. The Act on the Monitoring of Access by Minors to Films and Computer Games, No. 62/2006.
a. The second sentence of Article 4 of the Act shall read as follows: Assessment of the suitability for showing of television programme content other than that covered by item 2 of Article 1 shall be subject to the Media Act.
Done at Bessasta+¦ir, 20 April 2011 +ôlafur Ragnar Gr+¡msson (L. S.)
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
565
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:12:00 -
[3010] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote: Media service providers may not incite people to criminal behaviour. They shall be forbidden to encourage hatred in the media on grounds of race, gender, sexual orientation, religious belief, nationality, opinion or cultural, economic, social or other standing in society.
That's a pretty loose interpretation of criminal behavior.
He didn't tell anyone to hate anyone based on anything. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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Frothgar
V0LTA 0ccupational Hazzard
23
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:57:00 -
[3011] - Quote
Seems fair TBH. I love the sandbox, and it just shows that the whole concept works. Anyone can for the most part do or say anything, and anyone can do something about it. We govern ourselves through what we are willing to accept and thats about it.
I think its cool that this is the actual mechanics of the game we play. People can rise to the top creating drama, and can also take themselves out by doing so. No other game offers this kind of freedom of interaction.
I'm sure Mittens will be back and adding to the game in his own unique way for a long while to come. |

Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
242
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:59:00 -
[3012] - Quote
Screw each and every last person who complains about Eve becoming touchy feely while simultaneously flauting their butthurt at the Mittani. If this statement applies to you, please biomass yourself in-game. IN-GAME. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |

Leonette Thorn
Hungarian Fast Reaction Army
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:07:00 -
[3013] - Quote
Lol, it really hit 151 pages within 3 days? greatest success in eve i think. myself after 3 years just left eve 'cos of "nobackbone" and "bigface" guys like this mit-something who cares. I've tried their ways, scammed billions but i haven't felt it fun to do so and simply got bored with it. definitely who can do it and still enjoy, have a defect. i just cant enjoy the honest side as it is ruined by their numbers and cant enjoy the other side as for that i need surgery to take off my backbone
anyway when some cant feel at least sorry about ppl just even have a bad day (not to thinking about to be suicide) have to be handled with the same attitude
Just to make it clear if u cause an other being suicide is not ur liability but to say (and feel) "who cares", it makes a difference. That is what makes our world as it is and makes eve a totally destructive and absolutely not creative thing, thats why mit-**** and his kind is good in it as they can live there as in their real life. without creative mind focus on numbers and power and saying how great they are, cos they were able to collect a 1000 of idiot geek (10 alts/geek i think realistic) and they try to destroy the game of others cos they got bored with the honest way /there is plenty of chance for pvp/. saying noob on all who dont go to be their target in 0.0, scamming ppl to go there as recruits, cos goon havent got the balls to fight a real enemy... (if they try they seem to fail
really guys, you, who are complaining about this Mit guy, forget this game, you will never win, leave, buy a jaguar, get a pretty girl and enjoy your life... |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
633
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:02:00 -
[3014] - Quote
Mittani the Great resigned! |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
520
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:20:00 -
[3015] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Mittani the Great resigned!
Thats a funny way of saying stripped of his position by CCP. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
634
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:23:00 -
[3016] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Mittani the Great resigned! Thats a funny way of saying stripped of his position by CCP.
But Mittani the Great said he resigned after admitting his guilt. Surely, he is a man of his words? |

Kajurei Delainen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:49:00 -
[3017] - Quote
No one else thought it was funny watching him over the net, I'm sure his three drunk comrades on the panel didn't comprehend the depravity of his words. Even crowd members were asking him to shut up long before they got to his presentation.
To The Mittani it was not a joke either, that is the way he is, a disgusting, morally depraved person, in need of therapy.
He's been banned from the game for only 30days until April 28th. He should be perma-banned from the CSM for sure. He's alliance should kick him out, for the same reason CCP kicked him out - he's a depraved person.
To Mittani - your members are not mad at CCP as you guess in your speech to your followers. They are mad at you, you let them down, you made them all look bad. Head of Goonswarm is where you need to resign from as well. Your time in eve has passed. Good riddance.
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
527
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:57:00 -
[3018] - Quote
Kajurei Delainen wrote:No one else thought it was funny watching him over the net, I'm sure his three drunk comrades on the panel didn't comprehend the depravity of his words. Even crowd members were asking him to shut up long before they got to his presentation. To The Mittani it was not a joke either, that is the way he is, a disgusting, morally depraved person, in need of therapy. He's been banned from the game for only 30days until April 28th. He should be perma-banned from the CSM for sure. He's alliance should kick him out, for the same reason CCP kicked him out - he's a depraved person. To Mittani - your members are not mad at CCP as you guess in your speech to your followers. They are mad at you, you let them down, you made them all look bad. Head of Goonswarm is where you need to resign from as well. Your time in eve has passed. Good riddance. Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:-1
Stop whining. He acted fine Are you kidding me? Encouraging other players to partake in a possible suicide of a mentally unstable person is "acting fine?" Its a joke. I know. But it has gone too far.
I think you are underestimating the fact the goons are just as bad as him.
They are a cancer in this game.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
51
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:01:00 -
[3019] - Quote
We didn't do anything. Mitt was going to resign he said and:
To others, Save your time, copy and paste this. Statement from the devs, so if you wish to argue, please do so about any part of this you feel was wrong.
devblog wrote:As some of you might have heard, one of the Alliance leaders speaking at the Alliance Panel during EVE Fanfest 2012 breached our EULA/TOS with some ill-advised remarks about a fellow EVE player. It goes without saying that CCP deeply regrets this incident and will work towards reducing any possibility of this happening again in the future.
...
The Council of Stellar Management is a democratically elected council that represents the players of EVE Online. Although council members may represent the players in any manner they choose, being a council member does not permit actions or playstyles that violate our policies.
Also
many people wrote:10,000 people have voted!
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Kajurei Delainen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 05:04:00 -
[3020] - Quote
Quote:WeGÇÖre up to three stalkers following me around. -àomeone posted about how they should kill my dog. My wife is unamused, and thinks that dropping the Chairman the title will allow me to have a lower profile that doesnGÇÖt see us getting death threats on a weekly basis or nailed to a cross in the media by our in-game foes.
from his own words on : http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
You think the guy would somewhere along the line figure out that what he is doing is wrong, that he is causing all of his own problems.
Nope, he's with stupid, driving off the cliff.
Besides Mittani, no one cares you say you gave up CSM7 chairmanship - you don't have it, and you weren't going to get it anyway, so you can't give up something you don't have.
Also, The Mittani didn't fall on any sword. He didn't sacrifice anything of himself. What he did do was advocate cyber-bullying, attempting to get people to push someone to commit suicide through the internet. The Mittani seeks to use words as a weapon, to make others feel pain, to some how make up for his own sorry existence and moral depravity. |
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 05:06:00 -
[3021] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Serene Repose wrote: Media service providers may not incite people to criminal behaviour. They shall be forbidden to encourage hatred in the media on grounds of race, gender, sexual orientation, religious belief, nationality, opinion or cultural, economic, social or other standing in society.
That's a pretty loose interpretation of criminal behavior. He didn't tell anyone to hate anyone based on anything.
However in Iceland (somebody linked elsewhere) it is against the law to advocate or, arg, cannot remember the phrasing. Pretty much if somebody makes suicide statements, in iceland it is illegal to try and assist or instigate, etc it. So he did break Icelandic law. :s |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3831
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 05:08:00 -
[3022] - Quote
Kajurei Delainen wrote:Quote:WeGÇÖre up to three stalkers following me around. -àomeone posted about how they should kill my dog. My wife is unamused, and thinks that dropping the Chairman the title will allow me to have a lower profile that doesnGÇÖt see us getting death threats on a weekly basis or nailed to a cross in the media by our in-game foes. from his own words on : http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/You think the guy would somewhere along the line figure out that what he is doing is wrong, that he is causing all of his own problems. Nope, he's with stupid, driving off the cliff. Besides Mittani, no one cares you say you gave up CSM7 chairmanship - you don't have it, and you weren't going to get it anyway, so you can't give up something you don't have. Also, The Mittani didn't fall on any sword. He didn't sacrifice anything of himself. What he did do was advocate cyber-bullying, attempting to get people to push someone to commit suicide through the internet. The Mittani seeks to use words as a weapon, to make others feel pain, to some how make up for his own sorry existence and moral depravity.
"He said bad things about a guy it's perfectly fine that he's being stalked and receiving death threats" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1306
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:15:00 -
[3023] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 people don't agree with you.
Dear goon hubby
8000 odd of those votes are probably from your own alliance. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
124
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 05:16:00 -
[3024] - Quote
Hey I too would like to get drunk and make a boo boo and tell the organizers its their fault. '**** you ccp for throwing me under an Ibis.' |

Testerxnot Sheepherder
DeadHeads - Question Authority Crew
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:19:00 -
[3025] - Quote
Thread needs more Ladie Harlot/Andski shitposting. |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
408
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 05:21:00 -
[3026] - Quote
EVE is now a worse place. good job sheep. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1325
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 05:41:00 -
[3027] - Quote
Xython wrote:I'm renewing my call for an "Auto-Block NPC Corp Posters" button. Grow a pair and post under your real character. I've seen a bunch of you clowns constantly posting this crap and guess what, this is my real (main) character..
FYI - All accounts over 30 days active with a paid subscription have the right to post in any sub forum. Whether in a NPC corp or player made corp, all are equal and have the right to voice their opinions in these forums (in accordance with the terms and conditions of the EULA). |

Cognito Ergosum
Vulkan Schiffbau und Maschinenfabrik AG
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:46:00 -
[3028] - Quote
Dbars Grinding wrote:EVE is now a worse place.
My thoughts as well. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
537
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 05:52:00 -
[3029] - Quote
Dbars Grinding wrote:EVE is now a worse place. good job sheep.
Not tolerating calling for peoples deaths IRL makes eve worse?
How so. Do elaborate on this for us. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 05:54:00 -
[3030] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Hey I too would like to get drunk and make a boo boo and tell the organizers its their fault. '**** you ccp for throwing me under an Ibis.'
CCP provided the booze and approved the slides. Drunken revelry is what goes on at these conventions. CCP gatecamped the airport with a tour bus and bottles of jack.
Mitani was thrown under a bus. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
487
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 05:56:00 -
[3031] - Quote
Kajurei Delainen wrote:You think the guy would somewhere along the line figure out that what he is doing is wrong, that he is causing all of his own problems. same could be said about depressed people asking to get scammed... |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
409
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 05:58:00 -
[3032] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:EVE is now a worse place. good job sheep. Not tolerating calling for peoples deaths IRL makes eve worse? How so. Do elaborate on this for us.
Do you like grass or oats to eat? I have more space likes than you.-á |

Ai Shun
481
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 06:21:00 -
[3033] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 people don't agree with you. Dear goon hubby 8000 odd of those votes are probably from your own alliance.
So? Are their votes not valid because they are in Goonswarm? Are you that bitter? |

Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 06:26:00 -
[3034] - Quote
Correct your post OP, Mitanni agreed to resign from the chairman seat and was removed from the CSM by CCP, disenfranchising 10,058 voters.
Just because CCP marketing tried to spin it otherwise doesn't mean it's the truth. Their own devblog says it, he resigned from the chairmanship and "forfeited" his status as regular CSM member. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
130
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 06:27:00 -
[3035] - Quote
Poasting in yesterday's thread. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
543
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 06:28:00 -
[3036] - Quote
Zhade Lezte wrote:Correct your post OP, Mitanni agreed to resign from the chairman seat and was removed from the CSM by CCP, disenfranchising 10,058 voters.
Just because CCP marketing tried to spin it otherwise doesn't mean it's the truth. Their own devblog says it, he resigned from the chairmanship and "forfeited" his status as regular CSM member.
You were not disfranchised you got to vote.
Your boy blew it for you.
take it up with him.
Alternates exist or a reason.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 06:52:00 -
[3037] - Quote
[quote=Callduron]I ............
Eve is a brutal pvp sandbox with no safe zones (other than staying docked up). Highsec isn't a safe zone it's a pvp is punished zone. However it does attract a lot of players who are quite happy doing their own private introverted thing. Possibly the game could do more in the New Player Experience to help people understand the nature of the universe they're entering.
........
Eve is not brutal - the players are brutal and brainless (some or most of them). Like in RL - every misery in this world is made by humans, no one else. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |

Davor
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 06:58:00 -
[3038] - Quote
We just wanna mine veldspar a blooo blooo bloo |

Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 06:58:00 -
[3039] - Quote
I feel Mittani deserved to be expelled from CSM and his chairman postion for crimes against humanity. Goons and pets are also guilty for not only supporting Mittani but they blindly followed his orders to harrass a mentally disabled man with the goal of this man committing suicide. A wasted vote is the least you deserve! |

Sunviking
The Shining Knights
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 07:26:00 -
[3040] - Quote
Justice has been Served. |
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Zey Nadar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
35
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 07:29:00 -
[3041] - Quote
Excellent. Mittani finally showed in public how stupid he is. |

Heet Crusher
Drunk Chaos Unprovoked Aggression
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 07:38:00 -
[3042] - Quote
No we didnt do it. Mittens gets all the credit on this one lol. Lets see wut he Fks up next lol. I am sure it is going to be a blaze of stupidty when he comes back. lol. I think he will go off his rocker and loose it. |

Signal11th
443
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 08:16:00 -
[3043] - Quote
I'm actually going to sympathise with Mittani on this, yes he was an idiot and said stuff he shouldn't have but you know what so what haven't we all at one time in our lives whilst being slightly merry
I think the main problem with all of this and the aftermath is actually more down to CCP "apparent" lack of anything resembling common sense. It really shouldn't have to have got to the point where the screaming hoards a.k.a childish tosspots were throwing their toys out of the pram and the others like sharks in the water smelt blood and jumped on the bandwagon
Considering the state he was in he should have never been allowed to talk at a public event anyway, someone from CCP should have just said "no chance mate, go and have a cup of coffee and we will wheel out some more "Choose your own destiny (as long as you either like high-sec or sucking the balls of some 0.0 alliance) videos
People say stupid stuff when their pissed period. You have a large amount of testosterone fuelled kids,younglings and teens/early twenties adults add to that a spattering of women and booze and then ask people from that group to publicy speak and what did you expect was going to happen? Jesus me and a couple of mates can get into more trouble than that just on a Friday night
What he did, yes was wrong but really is anyone suprised that this hasn't happened already
Anyway what's really going to change? I doubt not much, The strange thing is EVE actually needs the GOONS and RAIDEN/BOB and the other large established power blocs, every good story needs a villans and hero's (obviously depending on your viewpoint for it to actually work? Imagine how boring EVE would be without all the drama lama's the scam's, the eternal battle between us and the GSF
Don't get me wrong I don't particulary like Goons or what they stand for but if it wasnt for them I wouldn't have anyone to moan about and if it wasn;t for Raiden/ PL etc the Goons wouldn't have anyone to try and nerf so they can beat us [:roll:
Me personally the guy was an idiot he's apologised and resigned that's it it's over, CCP really need to take a look at themselves as at the moment they just remind me of some drunken boxer reeling from blow to blow and not actually learning how to protect themselves God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
449
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 08:18:00 -
[3044] - Quote
Now on to the revote for csm 7, 10,000 people need to revote in these fair elections. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

The Mittardi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 08:19:00 -
[3045] - Quote
Congratulations guys! We couldn't have done this without my sociopathic habits! Dear Goons: I will sell you this character for 50B ISK. EVE mail me if interested. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
564
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 08:20:00 -
[3046] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Now on to the revote for csm 7, 10,000 people need to revote in these fair elections.
~ deal with it ~
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
53
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 08:22:00 -
[3047] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Hey I too would like to get drunk and make a boo boo and tell the organizers its their fault. '**** you ccp for throwing me under an Ibis.' CCP provided the booze and approved the slides. Drunken revelry is what goes on at these conventions. CCP gatecamped the airport with a tour bus and bottles of jack. Mitani was thrown under a bus.
CCP said the slides were not reviewed. The presentations were assumed and supposed to fall within realms of eve rules, or something to that respect. Check the dev blog, they say it there. They say that all future ones will be reviewed prior.
I also cannot say CCP was at entire fault for letting him on stage. Going up and his speaking, while loud, it was very clear. He strikes me as a generally loud person about eve. So from the point of view of ccp, it is quite plausible that Mittani seemed alot less inebreated than he actually was. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
796
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 08:33:00 -
[3048] - Quote
Signal11th wrote:I'm actually going to sympathise with Mittani on this, yes he was an idiot and said stuff he shouldn't have but you know what so what haven't we all at one time in our lives whilst being slightly merry I think the main problem with all of this and the aftermath is actually more down to CCP "apparent" lack of anything resembling common sense. It really shouldn't have to have got to the point where the screaming hoards a.k.a childish tosspots were throwing their toys out of the pram and the others like sharks in the water smelt blood and jumped on the bandwagon Considering the state he was in he should have never been allowed to talk at a public event anyway, someone from CCP should have just said "no chance mate, go and have a cup of coffee and we will wheel out some more "Choose your own destiny (as long as you either like high-sec or sucking the balls of some 0.0 alliance) videos People say stupid stuff when their pissed period. You have a large amount of testosterone fuelled kids,younglings and teens/early twenties adults add to that a spattering of women and booze and then ask people from that group to publicy speak and what did you expect was going to happen? Jesus me and a couple of mates can get into more trouble than that just on a Friday night What he did, yes was wrong but really is anyone suprised that this hasn't happened already Anyway what's really going to change? I doubt not much, The strange thing is EVE actually needs the GOONS and RAIDEN/BOB and the other large established power blocs, every good story needs a villans and hero's (obviously depending on your viewpoint for it to actually work? Imagine how boring EVE would be without all the drama lama's the scam's, the eternal battle between us and the GSF Don't get me wrong I don't particulary like Goons or what they stand for but if it wasnt for them I wouldn't have anyone to moan about and if it wasn;t for Raiden/ PL etc the Goons wouldn't have anyone to try and nerf so they can beat us  [:roll: Me personally the guy was an idiot he's apologised and resigned that's it it's over, CCP really need to take a look at themselves as at the moment they just remind me of some drunken boxer reeling from blow to blow and not actually learning how to protect themselves
Yes, people do say stupid things when drunk.
I've done it myself.
But inebriation does not mean that you are no longer responsible for your actions.
If you do something wrong you deserve to face the music for it, whether you're drunk or sober.
It's the right thing in the circumstances for The Mittani to leave the CSM.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Signal11th
443
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 08:44:00 -
[3049] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:Signal11th wrote:I'm actually going to sympathise with Mittani on this, yes he was an idiot and said stuff he shouldn't have but you know what so what haven't we all at one time in our lives whilst being slightly merry I think the main problem with all of this and the aftermath is actually more down to CCP "apparent" lack of anything resembling common sense. It really shouldn't have to have got to the point where the screaming hoards a.k.a childish tosspots were throwing their toys out of the pram and the others like sharks in the water smelt blood and jumped on the bandwagon Considering the state he was in he should have never been allowed to talk at a public event anyway, someone from CCP should have just said "no chance mate, go and have a cup of coffee and we will wheel out some more "Choose your own destiny (as long as you either like high-sec or sucking the balls of some 0.0 alliance) videos People say stupid stuff when their pissed period. You have a large amount of testosterone fuelled kids,younglings and teens/early twenties adults add to that a spattering of women and booze and then ask people from that group to publicy speak and what did you expect was going to happen? Jesus me and a couple of mates can get into more trouble than that just on a Friday night What he did, yes was wrong but really is anyone suprised that this hasn't happened already Anyway what's really going to change? I doubt not much, The strange thing is EVE actually needs the GOONS and RAIDEN/BOB and the other large established power blocs, every good story needs a villans and hero's (obviously depending on your viewpoint for it to actually work? Imagine how boring EVE would be without all the drama lama's the scam's, the eternal battle between us and the GSF Don't get me wrong I don't particulary like Goons or what they stand for but if it wasnt for them I wouldn't have anyone to moan about and if it wasn;t for Raiden/ PL etc the Goons wouldn't have anyone to try and nerf so they can beat us  [:roll: Me personally the guy was an idiot he's apologised and resigned that's it it's over, CCP really need to take a look at themselves as at the moment they just remind me of some drunken boxer reeling from blow to blow and not actually learning how to protect themselves Yes, people do say stupid things when drunk. I've done it myself. But inebriation does not mean that you are no longer responsible for your actions. If you do something wrong you deserve to face the music for it, whether you're drunk or sober. It's the right thing in the circumstances for The Mittani to leave the CSM.
Err you obviously didn't read my post then as thats what I said. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |

Anthemius Heb
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 08:55:00 -
[3050] - Quote
+1 respect for CCP. It's now at 2, up from the 1 it's been stuck on. |
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Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
933
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:15:00 -
[3051] - Quote
Goons, you have lost. 
GF! quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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KanashiiKami
94
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:20:00 -
[3052] - Quote
Heet Crusher wrote:No we didnt do it. Mittens gets all the credit on this one lol. Lets see wut he Fks up next lol. I am sure it is going to be a blaze of stupidty when he comes back. lol. I think he will go off his rocker and loose it.
i think mittani is smart.
it is the notion that he just does what he wants when he likes it that is dangerous. and he still has 10000+ people with similar genes backing him .... -____-"
i wouldnt say we won anything, we just barely managed to satisfy the tip of our iceberg? not sure if that is a way to say it lol
but i am happy CCP did decide on something, although i would prefer something MORE harsh and drastic (which would also mean peanuts to him) ...
*sigh* WUT ??? |

Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:21:00 -
[3053] - Quote
There's a little boy and on his 14th birthday he gets a horse... and everybody in the village says, "how wonderful. The boy got a horse" And the Zen master says, "we'll see." Two years later, the boy falls off the horse, breaks his leg, and everyone in the village says, "How terrible." And the Zen master says, "We'll see." Then, a war breaks out and all the young men have to go off and fight... except the boy can't cause his legs all messed up. and everybody in the village says, "How wonderful."
Now the Zen master says, "We'll see." |

Crakachunky
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:22:00 -
[3054] - Quote
you didn't do anything, i could go into why but i cba |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:22:00 -
[3055] - Quote
No "we" did not do it. Stop trying to claim for yourself something you did not do.
If anyone did it, it was this lad and CCP. Our opinions really are irrelevant and from what I have read I doubt he would have jumped himself.
As much as I found the particular behaviour that started this disgusting I was not going to give my opinion on what should happen to him. Now to me gloating is just as disgusting it is over and done with, now move on. |

KanashiiKami
94
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:23:00 -
[3056] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote: Yes, people do say stupid things when drunk.
I've done it myself.
But inebriation does not mean that you are no longer responsible for your actions.
If you do something wrong you deserve to face the music for it, whether you're drunk or sober.
It's the right thing in the circumstances for The Mittani to leave the CSM.
i seriously dont think they are that drunk to the point of a loose tongue .... he is just doing what he really wanted to do at the fanfest ... display his harassment trophies ... with a touch of suicidal suggestions which went very wrong ... WUT ??? |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:24:00 -
[3057] - Quote
Frederick Sanger wrote:There's a little boy and on his 14th birthday he gets a horse... and everybody in the village says, "how wonderful. The boy got a horse" And the Zen master says, "we'll see." Two years later, the boy falls off the horse, breaks his leg, and everyone in the village says, "How terrible." And the Zen master says, "We'll see." Then, a war breaks out and all the young men have to go off and fight... except the boy can't cause his legs all messed up. and everybody in the village says, "How wonderful."
Now the Zen master says, "We'll see."
QFT |

KanashiiKami
94
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:27:00 -
[3058] - Quote
Frederick Sanger wrote:There's a little boy and on his 14th birthday he gets a horse... and everybody in the village says, "how wonderful. The boy got a horse" And the Zen master says, "we'll see." Two years later, the boy falls off the horse, breaks his leg, and everyone in the village says, "How terrible." And the Zen master says, "We'll see." Then, a war breaks out and all the young men have to go off and fight... except the boy can't cause his legs all messed up. and everybody in the village says, "How wonderful."
Now the Zen master says, "We'll see."
this sounds like ...
faction A = goons faction B = anyone else that is not with goons
= largest faction war in EVE
get it? CCP ? hello ?
errr any1 there?
yep i know bla bla bla bla bla deal with it, get over it, etc etc etc WUT ??? |

BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography
26
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:28:00 -
[3059] - Quote
The TL;DR of what happened to Mittani
~Deal with it~ |

Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:31:00 -
[3060] - Quote
Good. I hope both him and company learned valuable lesson from this nasty incident and that CCP won't allow drunk infants to yell crap under their banner ever again. |
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Chia Mulholland
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:31:00 -
[3061] - Quote
I think CCP should let The Mittani sing his national anthem on teamspeak to keep his seat on the CSM |

KanashiiKami
94
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:33:00 -
[3062] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:No "we" did not do it. Stop trying to claim for yourself something you did not do.
If anyone did it, it was this lad and CCP. Our opinions really are irrelevant and from what I have read I doubt he would have jumped himself.
As much as I found the particular behaviour that started this disgusting I was not going to give my opinion on what should happen to him. Now to me gloating is just as disgusting it is over and done with, now move on.
yes u are very right
nobody achieved anything on this forum
it is mittani who achieved wad he wanted to do
he did make it to fanfest
he did complete wad he wanted to present @ fanfest
and it kind of feels like CCP was reluctant to mete out "justice"
and thanks to this incident and mittani we will ALL now KNOW what to expect from CCP's in the future ... yes? no ? WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
94
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:34:00 -
[3063] - Quote
Aldarica wrote:Good. I hope both him and company learned valuable lesson from this nasty incident and that CCP won't allow drunk infants to yell crap under their banner ever again.
Naaaah they are ALL far far from drunk ... they are just being happy on stage there ... WUT ??? |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:35:00 -
[3064] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:Goons, you have lost.  GF!
I think it's time to headshot some motherships. |

KanashiiKami
94
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:35:00 -
[3065] - Quote
Sunviking wrote:Justice has been Served.
well i would say ....
mittani is going to take that part back where he left off
this is of course my assumption WUT ??? |

KanashiiKami
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:38:00 -
[3066] - Quote
Signal11th wrote:I'm actually going to sympathise with Mittani on this, yes he was an idiot and said stuff he shouldn't have but you know what so what haven't we all at one time in our lives whilst being slightly merry I think the main problem with all of this and the aftermath is actually more down to CCP "apparent" lack of anything resembling common sense. It really shouldn't have to have got to the point where the screaming hoards a.k.a childish tosspots were throwing their toys out of the pram and the others like sharks in the water smelt blood and jumped on the bandwagon Considering the state he was in he should have never been allowed to talk at a public event anyway, someone from CCP should have just said "no chance mate, go and have a cup of coffee and we will wheel out some more "Choose your own destiny (as long as you either like high-sec or sucking the balls of some 0.0 alliance) videos People say stupid stuff when their pissed period. You have a large amount of testosterone fuelled kids,younglings and teens/early twenties adults add to that a spattering of women and booze and then ask people from that group to publicy speak and what did you expect was going to happen? Jesus me and a couple of mates can get into more trouble than that just on a Friday night What he did, yes was wrong but really is anyone suprised that this hasn't happened already Anyway what's really going to change? I doubt not much, The strange thing is EVE actually needs the GOONS and RAIDEN/BOB and the other large established power blocs, every good story needs a villans and hero's (obviously depending on your viewpoint for it to actually work? Imagine how boring EVE would be without all the drama lama's the scam's, the eternal battle between us and the GSF Don't get me wrong I don't particulary like Goons or what they stand for but if it wasnt for them I wouldn't have anyone to moan about and if it wasn;t for Raiden/ PL etc the Goons wouldn't have anyone to try and nerf so they can beat us  [:roll: Me personally the guy was an idiot he's apologised and resigned that's it it's over, CCP really need to take a look at themselves as at the moment they just remind me of some drunken boxer reeling from blow to blow and not actually learning how to protect themselves
sympathize with mr M ???
no offense intended but ... i think he will just laugh at you just like how he did to all his ... targets of amusement just that he might not find you amusing you have to understand his aim
his aim is to take the game from US ... US ALL ... that is not goons WUT ??? |

Myz Toyou
Bite Me inc Exhale.
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:43:00 -
[3067] - Quote
1. Your own fault Mittens, no one else to blame. 2. Bad move by CCP to obey to the cry babies but understandable from a business/industry perspective 3. Sadly Goons are even bigger cry babies ( wonder what would be your reaction if Mittens would be SirMolle ? ) 4. I-¦m surprised how much hate you ( Goons ) gathered while blowing up cry babies in their Mackinaws 5. Finally, things like this let me log into this game even after 6 years. |

KanashiiKami
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:45:00 -
[3068] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Xython wrote:I'm renewing my call for an "Auto-Block NPC Corp Posters" button. Grow a pair and post under your real character. I've seen a bunch of you clowns constantly posting this crap and guess what, this is my real (main) character.. FYI - All accounts over 30 days active with a paid subscription have the right to post in any sub forum. Whether in a NPC corp or player made corp, all are equal and have the right to voice their opinions in these forums (in accordance with the terms and conditions of the EULA).
cos goons just want to know who have posted here against them ... WUT ??? |

Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
934
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:46:00 -
[3069] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Ammzi wrote:Goons, you have lost.  GF! I think it's time to headshot some motherships.
I dare you, cause you ain't got it in you. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
|

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:06:00 -
[3070] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:I dare you, cause you ain't got it in you.
Non-consensual PvP against the most risk-averse players in the game? Cakewalk.
In any case, stop pretending that you didn't have an axe to grind. |
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Memrox
Memrox Corp
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:28:00 -
[3071] - Quote
Mittens is stronger then ever now, he got away with a death threat and now he's super popular!
And to top if off Goons are gunna fight even harder now!
Dem enemies of Goons are screwed. |

Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:29:00 -
[3072] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:They are a cancer in this game.
Goonie alt is bestest alt. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1336
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 17:05:00 -
[3073] - Quote

I Just Wanna Celebrate since most everyone else is having a 'Celebration'.
KanashiiKami wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Xython wrote:I'm renewing my call for an "Auto-Block NPC Corp Posters" button. Grow a pair and post under your real character. I've seen a bunch of you clowns constantly posting this crap and guess what, this is my real (main) character.. FYI - All accounts over 30 days active with a paid subscription have the right to post in any sub forum. Whether in a NPC corp or player made corp, all are equal and have the right to voice their opinions in these forums (in accordance with the terms and conditions of the EULA). cos goons just want to know who have posted here against them ...
Ahhh, guess they just wanna see the 'Smiling Faces'. |

Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
935
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 17:06:00 -
[3074] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Ammzi wrote:I dare you, cause you ain't got it in you. Non-consensual PvP against the most risk-averse players in the game? Cakewalk. In any case, stop pretending that you didn't have an axe to grind.
Oh please, you'd be filling your pants quicker than candy bags filled by children if you were to come live in w-space where I have resided for a long time now. This isn't non-consensual PvP, this is consensual. I want you to fight me and I will be laughing when I send you back off to nullsec with your tail between your legs begging your leader to launch another end-all-incursions campaign. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
|

Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:28:00 -
[3075] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:... yes? no ?
My head is hurting. |

Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
330
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:48:00 -
[3076] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 people don't agree with you.
Dear Nulbear,
Your 10,058 is only outnumbered by the rest of the player base. Remember, who votes for you means less than who doesn't vote for you. And 10k is a drop in the bucket...means less than the healthy dump I took last night while playing Angry Birds on the loo.
Now go crawl back in your Nulhole like the good little sheeple that you are...there's a good...lass, I guess. To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. |

Signal11th
446
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:49:00 -
[3077] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:[
sympathize with mr M ???
no offense intended but ... i think he will just laugh at you just like how he did to all his ... targets of amusement just that he might not find you amusing you have to understand his aim
his aim is to take the game from US ... US ALL ... that is not goons
Well to be honest so what? I was more making a point of how sad I find the rest of the posters calling for his head, So he kills EVE?? It would be a shame butl I'm sure my life will continue yours may not but I'm sure I'll find something else to spend -ú15 quid on, if CCP let it get to that point well then EVE deserves to die anyway.
If you actually read my post and try and understand it , it was more of a critque of CCP letting things get to that point but don't let your hatred of someone you and I will probably never meet blind you. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |

SeaBassSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:53:00 -
[3078] - Quote
Nephilius wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 people don't agree with you. Dear Nulbear, Your 10,058 is only outnumbered by the rest of the player base. Remember, who votes for you means less than who doesn't vote for you. And 10k is a drop in the bucket...means less than the healthy dump I took last night while playing Angry Birds on the loo. Now go crawl back in your Nulhole like the good little sheeple that you are...there's a good...lass, I guess.
They're so cute when they do this :shobon: |

Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:55:00 -
[3079] - Quote
I hope you rots in a tight corner all by himslef, with his fist in the air yelling, "DAMN YOU WIZ, you jizzed on my face" |

Keen Fallsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:55:00 -
[3080] - Quote
Yeah "You did it" ... Sorry but you are loosers |
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Digital Messiah
Claymore Inc
148
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 19:02:00 -
[3081] - Quote
Mittani resigned? Who took over? I was living under a rock recently playing the firefall beta and work. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" Enter a Heroic Era Today |

Prince Kobol
452
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 19:06:00 -
[3082] - Quote
Well I will disagree with those who said that nothing that was written on the forums mattered.
You see CCP was most likely keeping an eye on the 2 main threads in GD (the amount of sneaky moderating going on would prove that) and getting a feel what the general reaction was.
I fully expect CCP did not want to ban kittens or have him completely step down from the CSM.
However, thanks to many of the Goons + CFC Members and their alts, because of sheer amount of failed postings, they help create what in all likelihood would of just been a handful of people posting into the dreadnought they turned into.
Personally, if the likes of Ladie Harlot, Lyris Nairn and Sidus Sarmiang were posting (strange that both Ladie Harlot and Lyris Nairn have both seem to have disappeared, hope they are okay) you mostly would of found that neither threads would of gone on as long or would of seen so many people post in them.
When you had Goons + CFC Pubbies + Alts posting, contradicting kittens himself, actually flaming Wis when he posted (which was a massive mistake) it just made people hate them even more and spurred them on to make sure CCP heard their voice.
You can try and **** post all you want but all it does is spur the other side on and gives the appearance that you are genuinely worried.
If the goons had just come on the forums and went yeah, you know what, he made a big mistake, it wasn't cool and he is sorry and left it at that, then both threads would of just died out.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
98
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 19:44:00 -
[3083] - Quote
Nephilius wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Dear NPC corp alt pubbie,
10,058 people don't agree with you. Dear Nulbear, Your 10,058 is only outnumbered by the rest of the player base. Remember, who votes for you means less than who doesn't vote for you. And 10k is a drop in the bucket...means less than the healthy dump I took last night while playing Angry Birds on the loo. Now go crawl back in your Nulhole like the good little sheeple that you are...there's a good...lass, I guess.
Strange, I voted for Two step on one of my accounts - did I vote against The Mittani?
(the answer is no, I didn't) "Nullsec alliances will now begin counting reporters on staff along with supercapitals and tech moons. Unironically." - The Mittani |

Anthemius Heb
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 21:26:00 -
[3084] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:[quote=Heet Crusher] and he still has 10000+ people with similar genes backing him .... -____-"
10,000 accounts. He has 10,000 accounts backing him. That's different to 10,000 PEOPLE. It's more like 2,500 people with 2-3 accounts, maybe even less than that. |

Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
79
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 21:31:00 -
[3085] - Quote
One step closer to EVE: PvE  |

Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
145
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 00:46:00 -
[3086] - Quote
WTF did you expect, people? You elected the Goon boss to be the boss of the CSM. That's like Americans being pissed off that the country went to **** when they voted for a Republican. Why are you shocked? If you want to have any sort of decency or integrity at the helm of the CSM, then don't vote for someone who is the self-proclaimed polar opposite. |

Jita Alt666
976
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 01:06:00 -
[3087] - Quote
So morally decency won over popular sentiment? |

Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
145
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 01:26:00 -
[3088] - Quote
I think it would be the greatest heist in the history of Eve if the depressed guy got the Goons into RL trouble with this, and then after having them pay him all their isk in please-don't-let-them-arrest-us money (which he could do, actually), he just turns around and says, "I was just messing around...I just wanted to humiliate you, make you cry, and take all your isk...just like you do to everyone else."
It would be epic, especially if it were done in response to Mittens' heartfelt apology letter. In effect, he would have single-handedly unseated the CSM chair, publicly humiliated him, cause him RL stress and legal problems, and out them all for being e-thug nerds at an event which is basically the Olympics of nerddom. |

Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
83
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 01:33:00 -
[3089] - Quote
Astenion wrote:I think it would be the greatest heist in the history of Eve if the depressed guy got the Goons into RL trouble with this, and then after having them pay him all their isk in please-don't-let-them-arrest-us money (which he could do, actually), he just turns around and says, "I was just messing around...I just wanted to humiliate you, make you cry, and take all your isk...just like you do to everyone else."
It would be epic, especially if it were done in response to Mittens' heartfelt apology letter. In effect, he would have single-handedly unseated the CSM chair, publicly humiliated him, cause him RL stress and legal problems, and out them all for being e-thug nerds at an event what is basically the Olympics of nerddom.
So...
a) Blackmail the goons into paying out (or would it be better classed as extortion?)
b) File false law enforcement report
Damn, that would be so fuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnah. |

Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
145
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 01:36:00 -
[3090] - Quote
I didn't say anything about filing the report. He wouldn't have to. All the buzz about this and CCP's swift response to it has given it enough weight to make people THINK it's possible. And to be honest, IT IS POSSIBLE. Just the threat of him doing it would be enough.
And YES, BLACKMAIL THE GOONS. This is Eve, remember? What game are you playing?
What would they say in defense, that it's NOT TRUE? Everyone knows it's true because we've all seen it. "Gimme all yer stuffs or we can go forward with this in RL." |
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Vera Denjuros
Terrortronfleet
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 01:39:00 -
[3091] - Quote
Quote: Remember, if a no-name alt like me exhibited the same misconduct, I would've been immediately banned by CCP. You should be VASTLY CONTENT that Mittani the Great only got a slap on his wrist.
Anyone else notice what a bloody hippocritical ****-ant the op is? Seriously, my bullshit detector is all over the place.... |

Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
83
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 01:42:00 -
[3092] - Quote
Astenion wrote:I didn't say anything about filing the report. He wouldn't have to. All the buzz about this and CCP's swift response to it has given it enough weight to make people THINK it's possible.
And YES, BLACKMAIL THE GOONS. This is Eve, remember? What game are you playing?
But to avoid the Real Life legal issue would require Real Life money.
Astenion wrote:and then after having them pay him all their isk in please-don't-let-them-arrest-us money
So, yes
a) blackmail/extort real money from a real person(s)
-or-
b) file a false law enforcement report
Answer to a) And all the Goons gotta do is make sure the dealing goes on inside of EVE....hello server-side chat logs. Answer to b) it's on file, plus see "Answer to a" for how to proof it was falsely filed.
...did I miss something?  |

Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
145
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 01:55:00 -
[3093] - Quote
Dyner wrote:Astenion wrote:I didn't say anything about filing the report. He wouldn't have to. All the buzz about this and CCP's swift response to it has given it enough weight to make people THINK it's possible.
And YES, BLACKMAIL THE GOONS. This is Eve, remember? What game are you playing? But to avoid the Real Life legal issue would require Real Life money. Astenion wrote:and then after having them pay him all their isk in please-don't-let-them-arrest-us money So, yes a) blackmail/extort real money from a real person(s) -or- b) file a false law enforcement report Answer to a) And all the Goons gotta do is make sure the dealing goes on inside of EVE....hello server-side chat logs. Answer to b) it's on file, plus see "Answer to a" for how to proof it was falsely filed. ...did I miss something? 
Yes, you missed a lot. If you would actually *read* what you quoted me saying you will have your answer.
"After having them pay him all their *ISK* in please-don't-let-them-arrest-us money...."
Basically he comes up with a list of demands, something like this:
"First, The Mittani gets banned from Eve for life.
Secondly, all assets belonging to Goonswarm are transferred over to my account.
Third, any repeat of this action will result in the permaban of said offenders.
These are my terms. I will continue playing Eve and agree not to pursue legal action against neither CCP nor the affected Goons. By doing this, you will be demonstrating that you are taking a proactive stance against cyber-bullying and will have rectified the situation of my civil rights being violated."
It's a stretch, I know; but what with all the professional victims these days, it's VERY doable. People have been prosecuted for much less.
As for the chat logs, do you think he would be stupid enough to do this with some petty, in-game dealing BS? No, this is a big time ****-up. CCP will be involved. It will be CCP transferring assets, not the Goons. |

Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
83
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 02:12:00 -
[3094] - Quote
Astenion wrote: Yes, you missed a lot. If you would actually *read* what you quoted me saying you will have your answer.
"After having them pay him all their *ISK* in please-don't-let-them-arrest-us money...."
Basically he comes up with a list of demands, something like this:
"First, The Mittani gets banned from Eve for life.
Secondly, all assets belonging to Goonswarm are transferred over to my account.
Third, any repeat of this action will result in the permaban of said offenders.
These are my terms. I will continue playing Eve and agree not to pursue legal action against neither CCP nor the affected Goons. By doing this, you will be demonstrating that you are taking a proactive stance against cyber-bullying and will have rectified the situation of my civil rights being violated."
It's a stretch, I know; but what with all the professional victims these days, it's VERY doable. People have been prosecuted for much less.
Hmm, so in context you're saying Said Person should have blackmailed Goons for in-game currency to avoid Real Life trouble?
Pretty sure that's against the EULA/ToS, still.
Also, I wouldn't have said "money", I would have used "ISK" after the "[...]-arrest-us" part that would have made it not seem like you jumped the track. 
"b" would still stand assuming that with your thinking Goons called the bluff and Said Person filed a police report (falsely, going by your scenario).
Also, because I read that wrong. I'm admitting I was wrong and I'm stepping down from being Self-proclaimed Forum Superstar ^_^ (Snarkism not directed to Astenion) |

Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
145
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 02:35:00 -
[3095] - Quote
Dyner wrote:Astenion wrote: Yes, you missed a lot. If you would actually *read* what you quoted me saying you will have your answer.
"After having them pay him all their *ISK* in please-don't-let-them-arrest-us money...."
Basically he comes up with a list of demands, something like this:
"First, The Mittani gets banned from Eve for life.
Secondly, all assets belonging to Goonswarm are transferred over to my account.
Third, any repeat of this action will result in the permaban of said offenders.
These are my terms. I will continue playing Eve and agree not to pursue legal action against neither CCP nor the affected Goons. By doing this, you will be demonstrating that you are taking a proactive stance against cyber-bullying and will have rectified the situation of my civil rights being violated."
It's a stretch, I know; but what with all the professional victims these days, it's VERY doable. People have been prosecuted for much less.
Hmm, so in context you're saying Said Person should have blackmailed Goons for in-game currency to avoid Real Life trouble? Pretty sure that's against the EULA/ToS, still. Also, I wouldn't have said "money", I would have used "ISK" after the "[...]-arrest-us" part that would have made it not seem like you jumped the track.  "b" would still stand assuming that with your thinking Goons called the bluff and Said Person filed a police report (falsely, going by your scenario). Also, because I read that wrong. I'm admitting I was wrong and I'm stepping down from being Self-proclaimed Forum Superstar ^_^ (Snarkism not directed to Astenion)
Friend, I SAID ISK. Nevermind, you understand it anyway.
And yes, you can blackmail someone over just about anything as long as it didn't happen in the game. CCP can't be held responsible if you blackmail someone with pictures of his wife banging another guy. I understand that this didn't happen in-game, but it happened at Fanfest and as a result of Mittens' outburst, the guy actually got harassed. This happened on CCP's watch with devs looking on, goading them with more alcohol. Personally I think if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen, but I'm talking from a legal standpoint. The guy could've said something to the effect of, "This caused me to have a nervous breakdown blah blah blah I downed a bottle of pills but unfortunately I woke up this morning blah blah blah", and then they would've been in a WORLD of ****. Luckily for them it didn't happen.
Mittens, from a position of relative power, implored hundreds, possibly thousands of people to harass a person with depression to the point of them committing suicide. This is the very essence of cyber-bullying. If the guy wanted to really ruin their day, he could do it, both in RL and in-game. It would've been up to him. Had he been content with iskies and loot and spaceships that go pew, that would have been his perogative...and something that CCP probably would've jumped at the chance to do. However, there is a very real possibility that this could have legal ramifications.
The thing is, NO ONE WOULD EVER KNOW IF HE WERE BLACKMAILING THEM OR NOT. That's the beauty of it! It's the ultimate con! They'd be too scared to challenge it. If CCP can fire the CSM chairman AND ban him for 30 days (which is a bit light, imo), don't you think they could confiscate all his assets and give them to the guy if he asked? All he'd have to do is sign a legal waiver saying the matter would be closed afterwards and would not pursue legal counsel.
Duuuuuuuude. It would've been amazing. |

Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
145
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 02:48:00 -
[3096] - Quote
Hahahaha I just noticed this:
"I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players, especially those who suffer from depression or suicidal thoughts, as we understand the possible consequences of such abhorrent behaviour," CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker said.
It almost sounds like he's calling depression and suicidal thoughts "such abhorrent behavior".   |

Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
145
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 03:10:00 -
[3097] - Quote
Aaaaaand it appears Mittens already sent all his isk to the "victim".
BOO-YA!
Tbh, he seemed quite genuine and sincere. I would have accepted his apology, as long as it came with lots of isk.
However, I can already see the gaming press creating a mountain out of a molehill. |

Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 05:54:00 -
[3098] - Quote
Just want to point out to Heimtar Auctioneer that Mittens is still our CEO. He will be our CEO after his ban has expired. We revel in his brilliant leadership and we look forward to making space burn.
No tears. Just goons. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
101
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 05:57:00 -
[3099] - Quote
Prepare for oblivion! And $10,000 pants. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
101
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 06:00:00 -
[3100] - Quote
Astenion wrote:WTF did you expect, people? You elected the Goon boss to be the boss of the CSM. That's like Americans being pissed off that the country went to **** when they voted for a Republican. Why are you shocked? If you want to have any sort of decency or integrity at the helm of the CSM, then don't vote for someone who is the self-proclaimed polar opposite.
Please explain in simple terms what CSM6 did wrong? |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
627
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 06:37:00 -
[3101] - Quote
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-lee-settlement-20120329,0,7063902.story
But how was spike lee supposed to know people would take his twitter seriously. It was on just a twitter post. Why would people have to flee their home in fear over that.
Notice how Spike lee got sued and had to face the music for his irresponsible actions that put people at risk.
Just some food for thought. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

KanashiiKami
98
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 12:32:00 -
[3102] - Quote
Astenion wrote:WTF did you expect, people? You elected the Goon boss to be the boss of the CSM. That's like Americans being pissed off that the country went to **** when they voted for a Republican. Why are you shocked? If you want to have any sort of decency or integrity at the helm of the CSM, then don't vote for someone who is the self-proclaimed polar opposite.
i didnt vote for anyone ...
its the genes .... i tell you ... clones every where lol WUT ??? |

Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
145
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 00:52:00 -
[3103] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Astenion wrote:WTF did you expect, people? You elected the Goon boss to be the boss of the CSM. That's like Americans being pissed off that the country went to **** when they voted for a Republican. Why are you shocked? If you want to have any sort of decency or integrity at the helm of the CSM, then don't vote for someone who is the self-proclaimed polar opposite. Please explain in simple terms what CSM6 did wrong?
It was rather vague. I was commenting on the fact how everyone is screaming bloody murder with their pitchforks and torches, saying how it's such a travesty that the leader of the CSM would behave in such a way when he is a self-proclaimed griefer/ass/prick.
The CSM didn't do anything, I'm just commenting on the fact that everyone is up in arms because of his behavior as the CSM boss (as if that means anything anyway) in this whole ordeal. It's like democratically electing a Republican and then getting pissed off that they end up being overzealous, religious, sexually repressed warmongers, as if it were a surprise. What did you expect?
In other news, I feel so alone, gonna end up a big ole pile o' Them Bones.
**** your weak ass dubstep. |

Tokclik
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.31 01:08:00 -
[3104] - Quote
"The Mittani" is not a republican. He is a totalitarian leader of a communist organization. Some might say a socialist organization if you replace "healthcare" with "PVP Reimbursements" |

Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
145
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Posted - 2012.03.31 01:18:00 -
[3105] - Quote
*facepalm*
Replace Republican with Communist or Fascist and then add dictatorship as a description then. It was just an example. I only used Republican because they're the biggest targets. Coulda used that guy whose name starts with an H but it's been overused. |

Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
145
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Posted - 2012.03.31 01:24:00 -
[3106] - Quote
Personally, I love the drama and tears from both "pubbies" and goons. Goonswarm definitely keep this game interesting. Sure, I may think Mittens is a narcissistic prick, but that's his character in-game. I've never met the guy and I'm not about to speculate about that because, quite frankly, it's irrelevant.
Bottom line is people voted for him by a landslide and then QQ when he does something exactly in line with his in-game character, and I just see that as hypocritical. What's more, the gaming press is blowing this so much out of proportion that it's hilarious. Sure, he shouldn't have done what he did and it was a really **** move, but what do people expect? He's the cult of personality in Eve. |

No DiceBuddy
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:39:00 -
[3107] - Quote
the whole thing is dumb. He should still be CSM. If you serve alcohol at an event like this, mistakes will happen. not like he gave the dudes name out in real life or anything. he just gonna win it next year. Goons will still troll eve and kick ass in the north. Nothing changed. now off to find myself a miner to gank. |

Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:40:00 -
[3108] - Quote
/queue Dora the explorer celebration soundtrack. |

Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
20
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Posted - 2012.04.01 02:34:00 -
[3109] - Quote
No DiceBuddy wrote:the whole thing is dumb. He should still be CSM. If you serve alcohol at an event like this, mistakes will happen. not like he gave the dudes name out in real life or anything. he just gonna win it next year. Goons will still troll eve and kick ass in the north. Nothing changed. now off to find myself a miner to gank. The definition of dumb is blaming this on CCP servering alcohol. Mittani wasn't drunk when he prepared his presentation and created the slide. He had days to rethink his blundered plan well before he got drunk. Well before he even touched the ground in Iceland.
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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
682
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Posted - 2012.04.01 02:43:00 -
[3110] - Quote
Jet Aeon wrote:No DiceBuddy wrote:the whole thing is dumb. He should still be CSM. If you serve alcohol at an event like this, mistakes will happen. not like he gave the dudes name out in real life or anything. he just gonna win it next year. Goons will still troll eve and kick ass in the north. Nothing changed. now off to find myself a miner to gank. The definition of dumb is blaming this on CCP servering alcohol. Mittani wasn't drunk when he prepared his presentation and created the slide. He had days to rethink his blundered plan well before he got drunk. Well before he even touched the ground in Iceland.
The spin coming from the Mittani and the goons on this is rather poor when you get down to it. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
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MoyO zOlotse
State War Academy Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.04.01 02:51:00 -
[3111] - Quote
WOW Im just all WOW. This is really incredible. This is what happens when good people band together, and do the right thing.
Thank you goons for providing such entertaining and deliciously soggy tears. None of us couldnt have done it without you. With or without you. Nanh nanh nanh nanh. With or without Mitti.
How goes the movement to make this courageous move by CCP, permaneant? Say goodbye to Mitt, say hello to a fun time in EVE! |

Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
20
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:10:00 -
[3112] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Jet Aeon wrote:No DiceBuddy wrote:the whole thing is dumb. He should still be CSM. If you serve alcohol at an event like this, mistakes will happen. not like he gave the dudes name out in real life or anything. he just gonna win it next year. Goons will still troll eve and kick ass in the north. Nothing changed. now off to find myself a miner to gank. The definition of dumb is blaming this on CCP servering alcohol. Mittani wasn't drunk when he prepared his presentation and created the slide. He had days to rethink his blundered plan well before he got drunk. Well before he even touched the ground in Iceland. The spin coming from the Mittani and the goons on this is rather poor when you get down to it. Yeah, I must say I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of clever spin from the Goons. I expected better. I guess Mittani's actions are just that sad that even his desiples are a bit off kilter. |

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
683
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:22:00 -
[3113] - Quote
Jet Aeon wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Jet Aeon wrote:No DiceBuddy wrote:the whole thing is dumb. He should still be CSM. If you serve alcohol at an event like this, mistakes will happen. not like he gave the dudes name out in real life or anything. he just gonna win it next year. Goons will still troll eve and kick ass in the north. Nothing changed. now off to find myself a miner to gank. The definition of dumb is blaming this on CCP servering alcohol. Mittani wasn't drunk when he prepared his presentation and created the slide. He had days to rethink his blundered plan well before he got drunk. Well before he even touched the ground in Iceland. The spin coming from the Mittani and the goons on this is rather poor when you get down to it. Yeah, I must say I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of clever spin from the Goons. I expected better. I guess Mittani's actions are just that sad that even his desiples are a bit off kilter.
Well its something very hard to defend.
Then it was on tape.
Then the recording of the goonion didn't help.
Then the twitter storm.
Then the EvE radio interview came off partially like charlie sheen.
Its really a mess.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
129
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:25:00 -
[3114] - Quote
Maybe the Goons just need to improve their morale by getting rid of their leader. Then we can go back to slamming them for being arrogant. Not just laughing at them for being a joke. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |

Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
20
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:56:00 -
[3115] - Quote
Goons no longer humping Mittani's leg? I don't see them going that far. |

Jita Alt666
980
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:00:00 -
[3116] - Quote
OP: the only thing you have achieved is removing all other topics from the general discussion forum. Thankfully CCP have come to the rescue and started banning RMTers. The true blessing here is CCP have had 2 weeks of getting on with the job while the rabble rabble have been burning bonfires outside VFK (figuratively - it would be great if they did it literally) |

bilingi
Ghosts of the Storm
31
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:08:00 -
[3117] - Quote
DeathThreats My ass lets see them... Talk about trying to get some pity shesh... |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1322
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:16:00 -
[3118] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
Hahahaha...
Your 10,058 votes just got flushed down the shitter.
~Deal with it~
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:18:00 -
[3119] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Hahahaha... Your 10,058 votes just got flushed down the shitter. ~Deal with it~
who are you?
~dealwithit~ "Nullsec alliances will now begin counting reporters on staff along with supercapitals and tech moons. Unironically." - The Mittani |

Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:43:00 -
[3120] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Jet Aeon wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Jet Aeon wrote:No DiceBuddy wrote:the whole thing is dumb. He should still be CSM. If you serve alcohol at an event like this, mistakes will happen. not like he gave the dudes name out in real life or anything. he just gonna win it next year. Goons will still troll eve and kick ass in the north. Nothing changed. now off to find myself a miner to gank. The definition of dumb is blaming this on CCP servering alcohol. Mittani wasn't drunk when he prepared his presentation and created the slide. He had days to rethink his blundered plan well before he got drunk. Well before he even touched the ground in Iceland. The spin coming from the Mittani and the goons on this is rather poor when you get down to it. Yeah, I must say I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of clever spin from the Goons. I expected better. I guess Mittani's actions are just that sad that even his desiples are a bit off kilter. Well its something very hard to defend. Then it was on tape. Then the recording of the goonion didn't help. Then the twitter storm. Then the EvE radio interview came off partially like charlie sheen. Its really a mess.
you're obsessed with mittani and you have a terrible misspelt name
are you a the internet brothel guy or the nda guy |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
121
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:46:00 -
[3121] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Maybe the Goons just need to improve their morale by getting rid of their leader. Then we can go back to slamming them for being arrogant. Not just laughing at them for being a joke.
Why get rid of the one leader that has not robbed us blind, even when things get tough? |

RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
690
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:47:00 -
[3122] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:
you're obsessed with mittani and you have a terrible misspelt name
are you a the internet brothel guy or the nda guy
Im humbled by the originality of this posts troll.
let me stop the freaking presses.
That aside...
Internet brothel guy? NDA is darius or ankasfagdgfaf however thats spelled.
Whats the brothel guy? Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
327
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:47:00 -
[3123] - Quote
This Topic |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
383
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:52:00 -
[3124] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Im humbled by the originality of this posts troll.
let me stop the freaking presses.
That aside...
Internet brothel guy? NDA is darius or ankasfagdgfaf however thats spelled.
Whats the brothel guy? I'm curious myself.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
690
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:00:00 -
[3125] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Im humbled by the originality of this posts troll.
let me stop the freaking presses.
That aside...
Internet brothel guy? NDA is darius or ankasfagdgfaf however thats spelled.
Whats the brothel guy? I'm curious myself.
Its got to be old if another goon doesnt know it. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
389
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:24:00 -
[3126] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Its got to be old if another goon doesnt know it. I'm relatively a newbie so it's not that surprising, really.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
140
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:27:00 -
[3127] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Im humbled by the originality of this posts troll.
let me stop the freaking presses.
That aside...
Internet brothel guy? NDA is darius or ankasfagdgfaf however thats spelled.
Whats the brothel guy? I'm curious myself. Its got to be old if another goon doesnt know it.
That would be Jade Constantine. Who prided himself on running a "space brothel" at one point in time. And was possibly the most ineffectual CSM delegate, until Darius III came along. |

MoyO zOlotse
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.04.01 09:29:00 -
[3128] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:you're obsessed with mittani and you have a terrible misspelt name
are you a the internet brothel guy or the nda guy
Translation: "Anyone that thinks suicide is not funny and that I shouldn't urge people to harrass a suicidal person clearly has a spelling agenda and is scum. I am the hard done victim here." |

Mr M
Agony Unleashed
165
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Posted - 2012.04.01 09:44:00 -
[3129] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Maybe the Goons just need to improve their morale by getting rid of their leader. Then we can go back to slamming them for being arrogant. Not just laughing at them for being a joke. Why get rid of the one leader that has not robbed us blind, even when things get tough? I'm not sure "The Mittani - At least he haven't stolen all our money" is a very good slogan.
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
140
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Posted - 2012.04.01 09:53:00 -
[3130] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Maybe the Goons just need to improve their morale by getting rid of their leader. Then we can go back to slamming them for being arrogant. Not just laughing at them for being a joke. Why get rid of the one leader that has not robbed us blind, even when things get tough? Sounds like a good reason to keep him on, because he didn't rob you yet.
Just for your reference
Remedial: Things could have been better when I left, but all the same, it wasn't to "get" at goonfleet, it was to "get" at a certain set of members who basically stole the entire corp from me. Remedial: And now I really don't even care anymore. They can have it.
Sounds like he got robbed first  Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
323
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Posted - 2012.04.01 10:38:00 -
[3131] - Quote
At last. A thread that eclipses "What's the avatar above you thinking?" Could we let that one die a quiet death? Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1135

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Posted - 2012.04.01 10:41:00 -
[3132] - Quote
Seeing as you 'did it' this thread can be closed. It has turned into nothing but name calling and flaming anyway. CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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