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Allataria
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:46:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game. EULA and ToS does not apply to things done outside of the game environment. Im sorry Wis but greifing other players is every pvp players given right. I am horrified to what would happen to EVE if a censor ban was put in to place where we cant give other players crap for being stupid and losing horribly in the game. Its what makes this game great and fun to play in as a pvper. I think you find that because it was at an official CCP Event, being streamed to thousands of players then CCP can do what it likes. In the grand schemes of the the EULA/TOS mean ****. If CCP want to ban you then can and will. Some people need to realise something about the EULA/TOS, it gives CCP the right to do what ever they like, end off. On the flip side I agree with you to a point about what goes on in game.
Even so if they banned the Mittani they would lose all credibility of being a respected and fair judging corporation. The EULA and ToS are in there not only to protect the company but to protect the players as well. I cant see them bending the rules to ban someone for simply speaking out at an event. This would be like banning two players for fighting at fanfest because they dont like each other's alliances. There was no breach of game rules because this happened outside of the game. They can't do anything about it. The same reason why they cant help people who get scammed if all the dialogue happened out of the game under different handles. CCP's role as a moderator in what went on can only pertain to the events happening in the game. Yes this happened at a CCP event but the EULA and ToS only pertain to what happens in the game. As far as I know there is no agreement or ToS regarding what you can or cant say during these events. If there was then they probably shouldnt have handed out huge amounts of alochol to the player base because how could they not have seen that something like this has happened before or would have happened now?
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
83
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:48:00 -
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Notorious BIG wrote:Allataria wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game. EULA and ToS does not apply to things done outside of the game environment. Im sorry Wis but greifing other players is every pvp players given right. I am horrified to what would happen to EVE if a censor ban was put in to place where we cant give other players crap for being stupid and losing horribly in the game. Its what makes this game great and fun to play in as a pvper. Go read the Ban policy section Section 3 HARASSMENT This counts in and outside of the game. No it doesn't. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:50:00 -
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Whoops, Don't know what happened to my original post, it got nuked. |
Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:50:00 -
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i think is time for everyone to calm down |
Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:50:00 -
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Would it be harassment if I offered a bounty for every pubbie kill mail delivered to me? Actually that sounds fun, 10 million isk per kill of RougeOperator starting.......NOW! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3698
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:50:00 -
[4026] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
It's a good thing that account actions are not a democratic process then, isn't it?
Because he's not going to get banned, deal with it~ "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:51:00 -
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do you ever feel like giving up? |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:51:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
this ^^^^ Aryndel Samson wrote: They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid. as for this ****** im not even gonna go into how picking a name in eve is rediculously hard
You do know Rouge is red in french, dont you? |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
292
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:51:00 -
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Allataria wrote:
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game.
Sure you can. First of all there is a catch-all that allows CCP to ban anyone from the game for any reason or no reason at all. So if I walked up to Helgar and started screaming in his face about him being a ***** and ********* and &!@$&!@$&!@$&!!! he could have me banned from Eve without any problem at all. I'd have no recourse either. But that aside, there's also the requirements for being a CSM:
They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM
Do you really think his behaviour constituted "carrying himself in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow", in CCP's opinion? I very much doubt it. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Boz Wel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:53:00 -
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I'm amazed people are so "outraged" by this. Who even really cares. It was a tasteless joke, but it was obviously a joke. No rational person thinks that Mittens was actively attempting to get someone to kill himself. If I got an rambling email from a 23 account holding Mackinaw pilot on the verge of suicide because mining space rocks with 23 accounts is all that makes him happy in life... I'd probably make a tasteless joke as well, because let's face it - that's pretty pathetic.
Now, it's horribly unprofessional to make such a joke in a drunken stupor at Fanfest to a group of other players. Still, Mittens has apologized for it and taken actions to attempt to make up for that. Still, you have to keep things in perspective. This was a tasteless joke and no more. Calling for the guy's head in game in the way of bans and what not is ridiculous. |
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NamingViolation
The Logistical Nightmare
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:54:00 -
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Allataria wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game. EULA and ToS does not apply to things done outside of the game environment. Im sorry Wis but greifing other players is every pvp players given right. I am horrified to what would happen to EVE if a censor ban was put in to place where we cant give other players crap for being stupid and losing horribly in the game. Its what makes this game great and fun to play in as a pvper. I think you find that because it was at an official CCP Event, being streamed to thousands of players then CCP can do what it likes. In the grand schemes of the the EULA/TOS mean ****. If CCP want to ban you then can and will. Some people need to realise something about the EULA/TOS, it gives CCP the right to do what ever they like, end off. On the flip side I agree with you to a point about what goes on in game. Even so if they banned the Mittani they would lose all credibility of being a respected and fair judging corporation. The EULA and ToS are in there not only to protect the company but to protect the players as well. I cant see them bending the rules to ban someone for simply speaking out at an event. This would be like banning two players for fighting at fanfest because they dont like each other's alliances. There was no breach of game rules because this happened outside of the game. They can't do anything about it. The same reason why they cant help people who get scammed if all the dialogue happened out of the game under different handles. CCP's role as a moderator in what went on can only pertain to the events happening in the game. Yes this happened at a CCP event but the EULA and ToS only pertain to what happens in the game. As far as I know there is no agreement or ToS regarding what you can or cant say during these events. If there was then they probably shouldnt have handed out huge amounts of alochol to the player base because how could they not have seen that something like this has happened before or would have happened now? Get real this is way beyond "someone for simply speaking out at an event" Mittani litterally encouraged people to help him provoke a guy to suicide" That is illegal in most countries and VERY different from just speaking up. You know you are not really helping trying to make Mittens look innocent... u r just fueling the flames and feeding the trolls. MIttens is a bastard and goons are a bunch of bastards - so what thats how they choose to play Eve, the only error he made is to actually encourage ppl to provoke suicide, rest is just epic Eve saga
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:54:00 -
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Suicide Counsellor wrote:do you ever feel like giving up?
Like killing myself?
I will do it....
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
82
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:54:00 -
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Andski wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
It's a good thing that account actions are not a democratic process then, isn't it? Because he's not going to get banned, deal with it~
If a ban is the minimum now, I wonder what MakeupOperator thinks should be the maximum? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:54:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Allataria wrote:
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game.
Sure you can. First of all there is a catch-all that allows CCP to ban anyone from the game for any reason or no reason at all. So if I walked up to Helgar and started screaming in his face about him being a ***** and ********* and &!@$&!@$&!@$&!!! he could have me banned from Eve without any problem at all. I'd have no recourse either. But that aside, there's also the requirements for being a CSM: They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSMDo you really think his behaviour constituted "carrying himself in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow", in CCP's opinion? I very much doubt it. You mean we cant have fun or consume alcohol while playing? There goes the entire playerbase then... |
Volster
Diabolus Ex Machina
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:55:00 -
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if anything, the only bits i could ccp realisticly doing would be to accept his resignation from the csm and / or not invite him to speak at future fanfests. banning him from the game would be a massive overreacton from ccp's end, as ultimatly they have to look at the facts of what actually happened rather than taking into account any personal feelings of his playstile.
like it or not,the ice interdiction was entirely withing game mechanics, and (apart from petitions) there's no rule against publishing communiction that someones chosen to send you. ultimatly all they have to act on is him encouraging others to harrass this person, and even then it was only in the form of "if you want to" rather than an active encouragment, so at worst he ought to be given a warning.
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Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:01:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Voull wrote:Why is this thread still going? Do people honestly think it is acceptable to belittle someone and attempt to push them to suicide?
Grow up. I dont think its right to belittle someone who is genuinely depressed and suicidal. But if someone is crying and threatening to kill themselves over a video game. they are just looking for attention. Attention whores DESERVE to be belittled and teased and pointed/laughed at.
No one knew if Wis was really suicidal or not. Mittani crossed a line that should not have been crossed. I do believe Mittani is sincere in his apology, but he messed up pretty badly and should face some consequences for it |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:02:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:
Even so if they banned the Mittani they would lose all credibility of being a respected and fair judging corporation. The EULA and ToS are in there not only to protect the company but to protect the players as well. I cant see them bending the rules to ban someone for simply speaking out at an event. This would be like banning two players for fighting at fanfest because they dont like each other's alliances. There was no breach of game rules because this happened outside of the game. They can't do anything about it. The same reason why they cant help people who get scammed if all the dialogue happened out of the game under different handles. CCP's role as a moderator in what went on can only pertain to the events happening in the game. Yes this happened at a CCP event but the EULA and ToS only pertain to what happens in the game. As far as I know there is no agreement or ToS regarding what you can or cant say during these events. If there was then they probably shouldnt have handed out huge amounts of alochol to the player base because how could they not have seen that something like this has happened before or would have happened now?
Wrong again. Many Games companies have banned people for things which were not on the EULA/TOS. I agree that CCP were naive and if they had pre-screened the presentation beforehand then I'm I would imagine who ever did the screening has had to answer some pretty hard questions.
remember nipplegate ?
high professional TV stations arnt proof from that .. live is live
CSM are expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM |
baltec1
925
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:02:00 -
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NamingViolation wrote:
The ultimate fact that happened was that Mittani actively encouraged the audience and viewers to put presure on a named player with the intent to make this player kill himself. Now thats the ultimate fact - deal with it... cause sure as f CCP will (be forced too)
You missed out the part that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously at all. |
Karoline Kane
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:03:00 -
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I just donest make sense to me all this ''blah blah personal details''
when they have been on the player bio with a long description of his life and exploits easily accesible to everyone |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3699
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:03:00 -
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Voull wrote:No one knew if Wis was really suicidal or not. Mittani crossed a line that should not have been crossed. I do believe Mittani is sincere in his apology, but he messed up pretty badly and should face some consequences for it
thanks for your opinion forum alt of no importance o7o7o7 "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
193
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:04:00 -
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Ah another day of fruitful posting comes to a close. |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:NamingViolation wrote:
The ultimate fact that happened was that Mittani actively encouraged the audience and viewers to put presure on a named player with the intent to make this player kill himself. Now thats the ultimate fact - deal with it... cause sure as f CCP will (be forced too)
You missed out the part that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously at all.
You're a f***ing idiot |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:04:00 -
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Altimo wrote:The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis Then don't post personal information about your self to strangers, its not rocket science its common sense. That goes for anyone really. This is a game where people don't take other in game characters seriously. Now look, he did not state your real name, but the personae your playing as in game. You know it takes more balls to apologize in front of thousands of people as a real person giving your real name, then it does to simply hide behind those people crying about an issue that never had to exist in the first place. It also takes more courage to forgive in some cases then it does to simply continue hating on someone that ultimately resulted in something you did. No one asked you to send that eve mail, and to the most notorious group known as the GOON SWARM what the hell kind of response did you think you were gonna get? Its like poking a hornets nest and wondering why you got stung... oh wait.
Lesson to be lerned: NO ONE wants to hear you want to kill yourself on a internet game. We are not psiquiatrists.
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
83
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:04:00 -
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Voull wrote:baltec1 wrote:NamingViolation wrote:
The ultimate fact that happened was that Mittani actively encouraged the audience and viewers to put presure on a named player with the intent to make this player kill himself. Now thats the ultimate fact - deal with it... cause sure as f CCP will (be forced too)
You missed out the part that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously at all. You're a f***ing idiot You seem upset. |
Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:11:00 -
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This thread is entirely tl;dr, but has anyone pointed out that CCP put the guy's character name on the login screen? Now compare that to saying it at a rather low-key presentation (Which would have been much lower of a key if the morallords didn't rile up so much faux indignation over it) |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
85
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:11:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Ice Fist wrote:The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis I feel for you Wis, I really do. You were the brunt of a drunken joke. The Mittani both apologized in this thread, and sent you a large sum of isk by way of apology and to compensate you many times over for what you lost. However, this post is late. In fact, in a controversy like this, where every single Anti-Mittani, Anti-Goon sicophant has come running to join the fray, demanding blood, this post is too late. This story broke 3 days ago. You were made aware of it 2 days ago (at the very least). Several people have asked for your opinion in in-game conversations, and these are posted here in this thread. Previously, you seemed pretty non-chalant. Of course, not at all happy that you were used as a joke, but certainly not looking for blood and certainly not hopping on the mock outrage bandwagon. So consider me a skeptic. Just as many people here are skeptics of The Mittani's apology, I am skeptic that this is genuine outrage. So what was the promised price? Yeah, I said it. In a politically charged atmosphere where every eve politician and goon hater stands to gain something from The Mittani's downfall, it is not at all far fetched to believe that you were well-compensated for this post. I can't prove it, but the delay between this charade becoming viral and you coming here to give your fake outraged opinion, lends plenty of credibility to the notion that this post came with a price tag. Hell, it'd be a bargain for some of the people here screaming with mock anger to give you double what the Mittani gave you just for a simple post on how 'hurtful' this was. You should also consider that people like Jade Constantine, sitting there on their high horse acting like you're their long-lost space brother, really don't care at all about you. In fact, regardless of what they say, the vast majority of the phony Mittani haters here don't have the slightest bit of compassion for you or what happened to you. They just stand to gain from the consequences. So congrats, you have become a means to an end, and you've played your part brilliantly. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Care to provide some?
Bolded the relevant part for you. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
293
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:12:00 -
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The Wis wrote: (#3830) OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis
Thank you for having the courage to enter the shark's den known as The Mittani's apology. It is very enlightening to hear your thoughts on the matter as his goon minions have been spinning the truth in here so fast they should all be falling over dizzy. Your points are 100% valid about this not being an in-game issue.
If you live in the US, I suggest you contact an attorney and ask him about the possibility of a lawsuit for "intentional infliction of emotional distress." Courts have ruled that the offense must rise to the level that the average person upon hearing of it would exclaim "outrageous!" I believe urging people on a live broadcast to make someone kill themselves because that person had voiced suicidal thoughts rises to that level of outrageousness. As punitive damages can be collected in this type of case, you may be looking at a substantially valuable claim. Just food for thought.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
246
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:12:00 -
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Bring out the quafe and exotic dancers! 200 pages ! \o/ To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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recurrsion
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:recurrsion wrote:Andski wrote: thanks for your opinion forum alt of no importance o7o7o7
Says the goon drone of no importance. i'm far more relevant than any nobody who posts with a forum alt, thanks
Keep telling yourself that drone. Im sure it will help you feel important in your special little internet spaceship way |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
118
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:12:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:NamingViolation wrote:
The ultimate fact that happened was that Mittani actively encouraged the audience and viewers to put presure on a named player with the intent to make this player kill himself. Now thats the ultimate fact - deal with it... cause sure as f CCP will (be forced too)
You missed out the part that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously at all. Its about perception. You think it was a Joke, hence funny. Just because you think it was funny doesn't mean other people will think its funny. Now okay, before you argue does that mean you can't go around making jokes for fear of offending anybody, no it doesn't, not at all. However there are some subject matters which, when address thousands of players at a official CCP Event and you are the Player Elected Chairman, you do not joke about. I would say one of those is assisting somebody to commit suicide, especially when you take into account the current publicity in the media world wide about Cyber Bullying and how Computers Games are making kids kill people etc etc.
Okay, so you are admitting that this is all about perception. In that case, please stop demanding that everyone adheres to your personal perception of what went on, and instead wait for those whose perception actually matters - namely, CCP - to come out and make a decision. |
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