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Serene Muerta Oneway Travels 0	Posted - 2012.03.30 05:37:00 - [4591] - Quote Ooooh.. All these goon (and their alt) tears... soooo tasty! :-D
Serene Muerta Oneway Travels 1	Posted - 2012.03.30 06:08:00 - [4592] - Quote Ryunaga wrote: The Mittani went too far. Same people doing exactly this on the forums or elsewhere? The Mittani is chairman of the CSM See the difference?
Lenrir Andven Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 85	Posted - 2012.03.30 06:13:00 - [4593] - Quote War Bear wrote: Goons and the like are angry that their votes went up in smoke, their leader bowed out of the CSM and there's a 30 day ban in place. On the other side of the coin people are angry Mittens will still be in the game, that he went too far and isn't honestly sorry. I say CCP handled it just fine. Both sides are p!ssed off which means a middle ground has been reached. That's why I'm bemused about what is going on. Majority of the goons are slowly growing content to the current situation. Since after all, we recieved our orders and now have a goal to work towards (it's been really slow before the announcement.) The vote thing is a bit of a grey issue and I already spoken to a few neutrals on that issue, who all say 'well, it could of been dealt with better, maybe add a 'second choice' next time.'
RougeOperator Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 627	Posted - 2012.03.30 06:38:00 - [4594] - Quote http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-lee-settlement-20120329,0,7063902.story But how was spike lee supposed to know people would take his twitter seriously. It was on just a twitter post. Why would people have to flee their home in fear over that. Notice how Spike lee got sued and had to face the music for his irresponsible actions that put people at risk. Just some food for thought. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á
nicky Tsurpalen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.03.30 06:59:00 - [4595] - Quote Quote: A hero is someone we can admire without apology. Kitty Kelley
shar'ra matcevsovski Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2012.03.30 07:28:00 - [4596] - Quote plz talk more about EULA and TOS when talking about trying make someone suicide.it really has to be written down there to know that its wrong thing to do, because thats just a normal thing badass spaceship captains do, right?
ivar R'dhak STK Scientific 25	Posted - 2012.03.30 07:29:00 - [4597] - Quote This thread is 4590 posts too long.
Lenrir Andven Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 86	Posted - 2012.03.30 07:40:00 - [4598] - Quote RougeOperator wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-lee-settlement-20120329,0,7063902.story But how was spike lee supposed to know people would take his twitter seriously. It was on just a twitter post. Why would people have to flee their home in fear over that. Notice how Spike lee got sued and had to face the music for his irresponsible actions that put people at risk. Just some food for thought. Got a fetish for mittani? Geez you're special.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 137	Posted - 2012.03.30 07:44:00 - [4599] - Quote Derek Chambers wrote: Do people actually think he wanted the kid to really kill himself? Idiots... No they don't. Next question?
luZk Jaegerkorpset 61	Posted - 2012.03.30 08:10:00 - [4600] - Quote Okay so he messed up and he got his 30 day ban, time to forgive and forget? Move on.. seriously . . .

shar'ra matcevsovski Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2012.03.30 08:26:00 - [4601] - Quote Derek Chambers wrote: Do people actually think he wanted the kid to really kill himself? Idiots... No, but does it matter at all why he said it? Fact is, he did and the result could have been the same. also he asked others to do it, wich puts an element out of his control into it. He must have known that little Fanboys like you would follow his advice without thinking.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 137	Posted - 2012.03.30 08:30:00 - [4602] - Quote Lenrir Andven wrote: That's why I'm bemused about what is going on. Majority of the goons are slowly growing content to the current situation. Since after all, we recieved our orders and now have a goal to work towards (it's been really slow before the announcement.) The vote thing is a bit of a grey issue and I already spoken to a few neutrals on that issue, who all say 'well, it could of been dealt with better, maybe add a 'second choice' next time.' I think the vote thing was handled just fine. People who voted for The Mittani knew (or should have known) that he was a guy who often berated his opponents and did not spare words or effort in "harvesting tears". A lot of them have also expressed the opinion that what his slides spoke of was "part of the game" and what is expected of the alliance panel. The rules about what is expected of a CSM representative are public. It is not that the voters can claim that they had no idea that Mittani was like this, or that CCP somehow made him like this. You voted for an arrogant person who is known for harvesting for tears and encouraging other players to go after particular individuals. You cannot now claim you have to get your vote back, because you are surprised for him having done exactly that. Sure, you did not foresee him doing it on stage or CCP actually caring... But that is not the vote system's or CCP's fault. Maybe next time vote for someone who has a reputation as being able to act like what is expected from a CSM member?
Vila eNorvic University of Caille Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2012.03.30 08:34:00 - [4603] - Quote shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: plz talk more about EULA and TOS when talking about trying make someone suicide.it really has to be written down there to know that its wrong thing to do, because thats just a normal thing badass spaceship captains do, right? WHAT????? Are you serious? If so, you have a severely messed-up mind. It should be self-evident that trying to induce someone to commit suicide is is just plain WRONG at any time, any place and in any conceivable circumstances. Jeez, what a dunce!
Ai Shun 498	Posted - 2012.03.30 08:47:00 - [4604] - Quote Serene Muerta wrote: Ryunaga wrote: The Mittani went too far. Same people doing exactly this on the forums or elsewhere? The Mittani is chairman of the CSM See the difference? No. The same rules apply to all players in EVE Online. No matter if they are on the CSM or not. Thus no member of the CSM can or should be held to a higher standard in their play of EVE Online than any other player.
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg 1-800-FUBAR 104	Posted - 2012.03.30 08:50:00 - [4605] - Quote bumpimg for lols Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Ai Shun 498	Posted - 2012.03.30 08:53:00 - [4606] - Quote Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Maybe next time vote for someone who has a reputation as being able to act like what is expected from a CSM member? Barring this incident the Mittani has been one of the best members of the CSM to date. To give you an idea: Two Step wrote: I donGÇÖt think this decision is the best one for the game, but it is MittenGÇÖs decision to make, and I support him 100%. What he is doing is what he thinks is best for the game as a whole, which is what he has been doing during the entire CSM 6 term. Trebor Daehdroow wrote: I have watched Alex wrestle with this decision over the past few days, and I hope I have been helpful in some small way as he came to it. ItGÇÖs the right decision for him, the community, the CSM, and our friends at CCP. I look forward to serving with Alex on CSM7. Seleene wrote: This has been a difficult few days and Alex did not make this decision lightly. The next CSM has a lot of work ahead of it now. Mittens has helped shape the CSM into itGÇÖs current form and IGÇÖve no doubt he will help where he can as he always has. I am glad that he has taken this step so that we can all move forward to doing what the community elected us to do. Elise Randolph wrote: A new hat: Mittani the altruist. While the CSM did not ask for this action, I do respect and support it. From my perspective, which is not infallible but quite keen, Alex was the most successful CSM chair in that he helped usher in a new era of the CSM where the rigid bureaucratic processes were thrown aside to streamline the process and allow all voices to be equally as significant. A solid change that has borne fruit in what has been an incredibly effective CSM term. As a member of CSM 6, I have nothing but good things to say about how useful and effective Mittani was. I have no doubts that Alex will continue to work hard as a CSM 7 member and I look forward to working with him in the coming year (Thanks Liang for compiling the list) These are some of the comments from the people who worked with him on EVE Online for a year. Not the people who only saw The Mittani, leader of the Goonswarm. He made a mistake. Don't take away what he has achieved and worked hard for just because of that.
Kehro Urgus 272	Posted - 2012.03.30 09:00:00 - [4607] - Quote They need to add an emoticon that's playing a violin. You know what you find in a sandbox? Sand and cat poo.
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 55	Posted - 2012.03.30 09:01:00 - [4608] - Quote Why are people apologising for The Martini? Ingredients 1 ounce dry vermouth 4 ounces gin Glass Type Cocktail glass Instructions Fill a metal shaker with cracked ice. Pour in the dry vermouth, stir briefly, and strain out (this may be discarded). Add 4 ounces gin -- you want it around 94-proof. Stir briskly for about 10 seconds, strain into chilled cocktail glass, and garnish with an olive. What the heck is there to apologise for you ******* heathens? EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita.
Ai Shun 498	Posted - 2012.03.30 09:05:00 - [4609] - Quote Graic Gabtar wrote: Why are people apologising for The Martini? Ingredients 1 ounce dry vermouth 4 ounces gin Glass Type Cocktail glass Instructions Fill a metal shaker with cracked ice. Pour in the dry vermouth, stir briefly, and strain out (this may be discarded). Add 4 ounces gin -- you want it around 94-proof. Stir briskly for about 10 seconds, strain into chilled cocktail glass, and garnish with an olive. What the heck is there to apologise for you ******* heathens? Shaken, not stirred.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 185	Posted - 2012.03.30 09:05:00 - [4610] - Quote shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: plz talk more about EULA and TOS when talking about trying make someone suicide.it really has to be written down there to know that its wrong thing to do, because thats just a normal thing badass spaceship captains do, right? ToS/EULA will never be written in stone, there has to be room to cover any eventuality that may cross the line. But most of the ToS/EULA is based on common sense which is why most don't even bother to read all of it if at all. Plus the fact they don't seem to vary much from game to game. If people RP out of game then unless they make it clear that is what they're doing they run the risk it will be taken seriously and if it is taken seriously then there's no way to prove that you were RPing as it can just be seen as an excuse (talking generally here, not about any specific case). Even playing in-game, a lot of what would be seen as griefing in other games is not actually griefing in EVE because of the game mechanics (way the game was designed). But if you take things too far it could still be seen as cyber bullying regardless of the mechanics of the game. It's mainly just common sense, if you think what you're doing is likely to be wrong, it probably is. You can't take fantasy into RL and expect to get away with it unless it has no negative effects on anyone else (fancy dress and other RP events that have no negative effects on people).

Hertzen Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.03.30 10:20:00 - [4611] - Quote woohooboost Everyone detach, you will feel better and play better Feel I Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. Isaac Asimov
Kitfox Mikakka GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 114	Posted - 2012.03.30 10:54:00 - [4612] - Quote RougeOperator wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-lee-settlement-20120329,0,7063902.story But how was spike lee supposed to know people would take his twitter seriously. It was on just a twitter post. Why would people have to flee their home in fear over that. Notice how Spike lee got sued and had to face the music for his irresponsible actions that put people at risk. Just some food for thought. Yeah, he apologized to the family, and compensated them for the troubles he caused them with a monetary settlement, and they forgave him for making an ass of himself and all in all it ended pretty calmly and without incident. Seems familiar, at least up until the whole 'forgiveness, ended calmly' part.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 800	Posted - 2012.03.30 12:16:00 - [4613] - Quote Kitfox Mikakka wrote: RougeOperator wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-lee-settlement-20120329,0,7063902.story But how was spike lee supposed to know people would take his twitter seriously. It was on just a twitter post. Why would people have to flee their home in fear over that. Notice how Spike lee got sued and had to face the music for his irresponsible actions that put people at risk. Just some food for thought. Yeah, he apologized to the family, and compensated them for the troubles he caused them with a monetary settlement, and they forgave him for making an ass of himself and all in all it ended pretty calmly and without incident. Seems familiar, at least up until the whole 'forgiveness, ended calmly' part. And I'm sure that if Spike Lee had been in an elected position where he was meant to represent the family he would no longer be in that position. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 150	Posted - 2012.03.30 12:24:00 - [4614] - Quote Ai Shun wrote: Serene Muerta wrote: Ryunaga wrote: The Mittani went too far. Same people doing exactly this on the forums or elsewhere? The Mittani is chairman of the CSM See the difference? No. The same rules apply to all players in EVE Online. No matter if they are on the CSM or not. Thus no member of the CSM can or should be held to a higher standard in their play of EVE Online than any other player. Nope. "What is the CSM?": "They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and *carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow*." http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM#Candidate_Eligibility Whether that is applicable in the situation or not can be debated, but saying that there are no rules of conduct that apply to CSM but not other players is untrue.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 151	Posted - 2012.03.30 12:39:00 - [4615] - Quote Ai Shun wrote: These are some of the comments from the people who worked with him on EVE Online for a year. Not the people who only saw The Mittani, leader of the Goonswarm. He made a mistake. Don't take away what he has achieved and worked hard for just because of that. Probably there are such people. But I am not one of them. I am also not one of the people who hate everything the Goons do. I have respect for your ability to hold your space, and I have no issues whatsoever with you "burning Jita". But I still do not think his deeds so far excuse being a total ******* the way he did. He was the most famous CSM member, and he is not just doing concrete stuff. Who he is and how he acts defines very strongly what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in the community. What he did was not just one mistake; it was a way across the line culmination of years of borderline behavior. For the good of the community, he needs to go. He's done some good things, but he's just one man. There are other people who can do well in CSM. If there are none in this one, we have until the next elections to find some more.
Ai Shun 501	Posted - 2012.03.30 12:40:00 - [4616] - Quote Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Ai Shun wrote: Serene Muerta wrote: Ryunaga wrote: The Mittani went too far. Same people doing exactly this on the forums or elsewhere? The Mittani is chairman of the CSM See the difference? No. The same rules apply to all players in EVE Online. No matter if they are on the CSM or not. Thus no member of the CSM can or should be held to a higher standard in their play of EVE Online than any other player. Nope. "What is the CSM?": "They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and *carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow*." http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM#Candidate_Eligibility Whether that is applicable in the situation or not can be debated, but saying that there are no rules of conduct that apply to CSM but not other players is untrue. Rules. Rules. EULA. TOS. He is banned for an EULA / TOS violation. There are players breaching the same rules on the forums. The rules apply equally to everyone. Conduct is a separate issue.
Ai Shun 501	Posted - 2012.03.30 12:43:00 - [4617] - Quote Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am also not one of the people who hate everything the Goons do. I have respect for your ability to hold your space, and I have no issues whatsoever with you "burning Jita". I am not a Goon, but I can look at them objectively. Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: But I still do not think his deeds so far excuse being a total ******* the way he did. He was the most famous CSM member, and he is not just doing concrete stuff. Who he is and how he acts defines very strongly what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in the community. What he did was not just one mistake; it was a way across the line culmination of years of borderline behavior. You suffer from the same problem as a lot of people. You mix the person with the player - at least - that is the way you come across. Ah well. Not my concern.
Nick Bison Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd 86	Posted - 2012.03.30 13:04:00 - [4618] - Quote Time to let this thread die out. It's run its course. Time we all go back to playing the game. I hear there is going to be a big dance party in Jita toward the end of April. Goons are hosting, grab a date and let's all go dance! Hope to see you all there. [edited for my bad typing] Nothing clever at this time.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari 152	Posted - 2012.03.30 13:08:00 - [4619] - Quote Ai Shun wrote: Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am also not one of the people who hate everything the Goons do. I have respect for your ability to hold your space, and I have no issues whatsoever with you "burning Jita". I am not a Goon, but I can look at them objectively. Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: But I still do not think his deeds so far excuse being a total ******* the way he did. He was the most famous CSM member, and he is not just doing concrete stuff. Who he is and how he acts defines very strongly what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in the community. What he did was not just one mistake; it was a way across the line culmination of years of borderline behavior. You suffer from the same problem as a lot of people. You mix the person with the player - at least - that is the way you come across. Ah well. Not my concern. I am judging the person who went on stage in Fanfest. It is not clear to me (and I am a roleplayer) where the IC/OOC division there was. He was invited to speak because he is "The Mittani" (not because he is Alex), yet it was also a live event for players , not characters. How he acts as a character has consequences for how the game seems to players. See for example many of the people who either joined or did not join the EVE player community because they believed that EVE is a place where saying anything is acceptable. These things are not always clear-cut. "It is just a game" or "it was just my character" are not an excuse for being a jerk. (And if you do not believe me, the EULA/TOS explicitly states so.)
T0R1 BL4CK Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2012.03.30 13:31:00 - [4620] - Quote Dyner wrote: ReptilesBlade wrote: Someone's very real life is worth more than your account on a video game. *You should have been banned. Permanently. Period.* The fact that you were not is causing me right now to seriously reconsider how much longer I wish to keep playing this game. If the person doesn't value their own life. WHO CARES. can i haz ur stuf? looking forward to the day were you eat your words when you have tasted the bitterness of unnatural voluntary dead among your friends or family.



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