It didn't matter if it was supposed to give him some perspective. Darius III for example accused Vile Rat of abandoning his CSM duties to Iceland for the emergency summit. The reason why Vile Rat didn't go? His son was sick and needed his full attention but INTERNET SPACE GAME takes priority over family. The people of this INTERNET SPACE GAME needs to fuckoff with people's personal life and stay out of it. NO LESSON SHOULD EVER BE NEEDED FOR THAT.

GAWD you're dense. I also live in the United States, Southern California to be exact. Please post proof that someone received the Death Sentence for committing rapc.

If the suicide case was found to be 'of un-sound' mind and the person who facilitated it had prior knowledge of their condition, then that's premeditated murder.

Sounds like you're trying to justify that it's ok for someone to incite a mentally unstable person to act upon their suicidal tendencies.

You really should step back from all of this.

I absolutely do not condone real-life threats - I do not even condone bashing an individual player in order to make them feel like ****, even when they deserve it.

That said, you have to wonder at the Goons. Did you guys really think that if you spend years encouraging people to be meaner and meaner to each other, to the point where you publish people's evemails where they speak of being RL suicidal, you suddenly get to be surprised and indignant when someone goes further than you think is acceptable? Yes, it is unacceptable that someone is threatened in RL for the game. But you have yourself continuously encouraged a playing style the purpose of which is to make people feel like **** for real, and you have never explicitly spoken of the limits you set to that. People are people; if you build a culture that celebrates bringing out the worse in them, they will go further than you'd like.

I hope you think about that internally: how can you keep on encouraging the play-style you prefer while making sure people you encourage will know where your limits go. Because, unfortunately, what is self-evident to you will not be self-evident to everyone, and you have thousands of people in your organization and thousands more listening to what you say the game should be like. If you keep on encouraging a culture where there is competition about who can make someone cry the most, these things will happen again and again. It might not be your fault - obviously it is no one's fault in the end but the person's who makes the threat - but it is partly a result of the culture you encourage. And you cannot change the people, but you can change how you talk to them.

Disclaimer: I absolutely do not approve of threatening anyone in RL, not even "as a joke", and hope anyone who does anything like that gets permabanned immediately, I do not even approve of pointing and laughing at people in the game in order to make them bad in RL, and I do not approve of the recent Mittani-bashing threads that have popped up. Any behavior the sole purpose of which is to "harvest tears" (and those are always RL tears, no matter how much you say "it is just a game") is deplorable, regardless of target and how much they deserve it.

But that said, a Goon asking "Is this what Eve Online has degraded to?" is mind-boggling. You folks have tried for years to deliberately degrade EVE, to make it about pointing and laughing, and you have stepped across civil behavior lines repeatedly by e.g. circulating private evemail from people who appear RL hurt, even suicidal. How can you now be indignant that you have actually succeeded, and beyond what you hoped? Did you honestly think that if you encourage human beings to bring out the worst in themselves and go further and further in being tough assholes, you suddenly can stop the development when it suits you? Did you honestly think that when you feel that things are now assholish enough, people will telepathically notice and stop going further?

That's not how it works. If you encourage people to "ruin the game for you", "harvest tears", "make them ragequit", etc, it will become a competition in which someone will always go one step further. Maybe in your head there always was a limit to it. Maybe you believed that people knew what it was. But people are not like that. If you encourage them to be mean, they will be mean. And some day they might very well be meaner than you liked. "I never meant it to go this far" won't help then, if you never explicitly spoke of the limits or encouraged a culture where it was ok to admit that well, really, we are not such bad guys, I really did feel bad blowing up that ship.

As sad as it is, you lie in the bed you made.

Then you would need to cite me the appropriate laws because you are making them up as far as I know. For example: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1111

"I was really drunk at the time" stops being a sincere apology at about age 16. It's an attempt at an excuse.

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Anyway, not sure what this thread has turned into now. I just hope that this whole Fanfest Fiasco doesn't kill the game. If so, The Mittani will always be known as 'That player who killed Eve'.

Which he was trying to justify that Mittani deserves the threat against his wife because he leads the alliance which have done many bad INGAME stuff to pubbies.

But to stress this again: only the person who made the threat is guilty of making it. He cannot justify it by blaming the culture or whatever. He's out of this discussion and he should stay there; by that action he has completely forfeited his right to say anything about this at all. He's not part of this community anymore, while both the tear-harvest-celebrating goons and us who oppose that are. We can have a discussion about this. He can **** off.

Zoo Ologist, your violation of the Eve Online Terms of Service requires that I petition for your account to be banned. I expect CCP to take firm measures to protect The Mittani's personal information and make examples of every individual who violates the Terms of Service, regardless of intent.

"19. You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website."

You know where on the political spectrum that goons fall on? A great majority of them are on the left side of the spectrum left-of-center. These aren't amoral people like you claim them to be.

Smittens with himself is a real loser piece of work for bringing his real life wife into it.
What kind of man subjects his family to this community?

RL threats should = no mercy.

I haven't kept up with this thread (who could?).

Anyone who threatens anyones family irl over this (or over this game) needs help.

Got another question, is he permabanned from the CSM or will he just be landslide voted into CSM8?

Based on what? You were trying to justify the threat because you say Mittani deserved it when he slipped up and made a mistake which he paid clearly for.

The Wis is still protected by his anonymity. The Mittani is not and now he's being encouraged by all of GoonSwarm to buy a gun to defend his life and own family.

Biggest load of BS this side of Jita.

You knew exactly what you were saying and using the drunks defence just proves that you are not the person you say you are. Not withstanding the ra-ra crowds and your own utterences, Mr Alex Gianturco, you have shown by your actions exactly what sort of person you in fact are - one that is much, much closer to your on screen persona than you would like people to think.

I sincerely hope that someone in the jurisdiction where you live lodges a formal complain against you with the bar association. It's horrible to think that someone in your position actively pushes for the suicide of someone in a public forum, irrespective of the circumstances, your personal situation nor the context.

I so hope they burn you a new one.

We don't really have any plans at present for the next CSM, but rumor is that instead of having one person win in a landslide, we're going to run enough people to give us 3 or 4 representatives on CSM8 - at that point we pretty much control the CSM and the Chairman's spot when our allies get their representatives voted in as well. There are a ton of vote-buying schemes in the works, and if that doesn't pan out there's always pure intimidation and destruction - these seem to be the most popular ideas floated so far.

+1

What he did was absolutely premeditated (it was in the slide show that had been sent to CCP!), so all his excuses are just a rather weasly and pathetic attempt to wriggle out of this mess that his over-inflated ego has landed him in. Can't believe that sociopath was allowed to become a lawyer.

Alex - quit EVE and never come back! Better for everyone - not least yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE
1:02:00

When does Mittens mention his name? Oh that's right, during the "Q&A". Not once is the dude's character name stated before that.

So, ya, "CCP knew!" To that I say...WATCH THE ******* VIDEO. It was after the slide show that the name was revealed, NOT DURING.


//Edit

And for the untold number of times. He doesn't use the "i was drunk" excuse.


--But, I suppose it's more fun to smudge up the facts so it's more sensational.

Dude, your nose is so brown it is embarrassing
Look at the image he posted on his blog. 'nuf said...
Here!

He is obviously (and rather pathetically) trying to use his little causality chain to imply that "it was alchohol's fault".
What a joke this guy is!

We don't really have any plans at present for the next CSM, but rumor is that instead of having one person win in a landslide, we're going to run enough people to give us 3 or 4 representatives on CSM8 - at that point we pretty much control the CSM and the Chairman's spot when our allies get their representatives voted in as well. There are a ton of vote-buying schemes in the works, and if that doesn't pan out there's always pure intimidation and destruction - these seem to be the most popular ideas floated so far.

Oh, I see, because someone other than Mittens posts that Mittens breached the EULA due to alcohol, it's automatically Mitten's claiming booze made him do it.


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