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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
350
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:31:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:This apology is bogus. Mitt said he was going to do this days before he did it. Now, he's saying it was in a drunken stupor. It was stu something alright. StuPID. Apology not accepted. Any nice thing I said to you is taken back. One vote for permaban here.
You don't get it do you? He doesn't apologise for his presentation. He apologies for the remark he made during Q&A.
I for one think the mindless mob mentality behind anonymous posting aliases on Internet forums is much worse than that slip of the tongue.
The most pathetic ones in this thread are the ones still circling the cadavre like vultures and likely also feeling very good about it. You should start thinking about what RL issues makes you want to taste blood on the internet. Wouldn't it be better to grow a pair and speak up against your mother, boss or whomever you think is not treating you with the respect you believe you deserve.
Chill out.
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Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:37:00 -
[5102] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Serene Repose wrote:This apology is bogus. Mitt said he was going to do this days before he did it. Now, he's saying it was in a drunken stupor. It was stu something alright. StuPID. Apology not accepted. Any nice thing I said to you is taken back. One vote for permaban here. You don't get it do you? He doesn't apologise for his presentation. He apologies for the remark he made during Q&A. I for one think the mindless mob mentality behind anonymous posting aliases on Internet forums is much worse than that slip of the tongue. The most pathetic ones in this thread are the ones still circling the cadavre like vultures and likely also feeling very good about it. You should start thinking about what RL issues makes you want to taste blood on the internet. Wouldn't it be better to grow a pair and speak up against your mother, boss or whomever you think is not treating you with the respect you believe you deserve. Chill out.
The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.
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Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:43:00 -
[5103] - Quote
Harry Farina wrote:The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.
Respect is earnt, not deserved.
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Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:59:00 -
[5104] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harry Farina wrote:The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much. Respect is earned, not deserved.
So tell me how you treat random strangers. They clearly haven't earned your respect. I mean how could they if they have never met you. Everybody new you meet is obviously disrespecting you. And what exactly is the criteria for your "respect". |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
212
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:45:00 -
[5105] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok Indeed.
What is puzzling in the whole case is how people think that "he started it" somehow justifies adults being idiots to each other. First it is a ship blowing up justifying emotional blackmail by suicide threats. Then it's suicide threats justifying public mocking and bullying. Then it's bullying justifying real-life threats to someone's family... Wonder what comes next. If the quality reasoning presented by the community so far continues, we will surely end up with murder and real-life wardecs. Escalation of an interweb spaceship game causing real life hurt leads to nuclear winter! "They started it", explains a survivor to the last surviving newspaper. |

Lexmana
Imperial Stout
350
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:52:00 -
[5106] - Quote
Harry Farina wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harry Farina wrote:The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much. Respect is earned, not deserved. So tell me how you treat random strangers. I can tell you one thing I don't do and that is activating my lasers and scram on them when they are peacefully engaging pirates in an asteroid belt.
Do you see the difference here? It is a game and we do things in this game that we would never do IRL. In fact, some of the activities we do in game would lead to capital punishment in some (primitive) countries IRL.
People RP in EVE. And so does the Mittani. He is RPing a goon leader and as such he does what is expected of a goon leader. If you want his respect in game you have to figure out how to earn respect of a goon. Simple as that.
The alliance panel is part of EVE online. It is an RP arena hosted by CCP and is very much part of the meta-game of EVE. If you want evidence for that interpretation you might consider the ban put on him by CCP for breaking the EULA/TOS.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1393
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Posted - 2012.04.04 12:25:00 -
[5107] - Quote
After viewing all related events and material pertaining to this situation, the only conclusion anyone can deduct from all this is that The Mittani's apology and statements posted by 'His People' trying to justify his actions is nothing more than a classic example of hypocrisy. |

Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:27:00 -
[5108] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:This apology is bogus. Mitt said he was going to do this days before he did it. Now, he's saying it was in a drunken stupor. It was stu something alright. StuPID. Apology not accepted. Any nice thing I said to you is taken back. One vote for permaban here.
I agree BUT Ironic given your name
Frying Doom wrote:Cerabix wrote:Honestly this guy has taken every step he could to do damage control.
Like owning up to his mistake and not blaming others for it?
like blaming the alcohol but jus sayin...
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so...
"This entire week, we've received dozens of harassing emails and tweets about how the Goonswarm believes that we (as a site) practiced poor journalism, sensationalized the entire event, and painted The Mittani in a negative light. Well, now I can say that we're officially being cyber-bullied as it is defined by Wikipedia: "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." Those links are only a fraction of what's out there.
But don't take my word for it; let's allow The Mittani to speak for himself:
(3:34:02 AM) the_mittani: broadcast all-all Gentlegoons, I am delighted to report that Brendan Drain has edited his offending statements in his Massively coverage and apologized. He has now handled this properly, and we can stop sending glowering looks his way. No longer is my real name or the false label 'cyberbully' attached; hi5s all around. Tomorrow we will have another episode of Goonswarm Strikes Back: The Media Edition."
Cyberbully to remove the cuberbully tag. Great strategy https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
213
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:11:00 -
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Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists it as bannable offense?
Quote:3. HARASSMENT
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:
a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:
a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine).
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
374
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:32:00 -
[5110] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:
Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.
If you dont want to be associated with cyberbullying
DONT CYBERBULLY
How is that ******* hard? And cyberbullying the media site (NOT IN GAME ACTIONS I MIGHT ADD) into removing the stories doesnt help your cause
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense? Quote:3. HARASSMENT
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:
a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.
Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:
a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine).
sweet so his RP defense only makes it worse and they actually HAVE a reason to ban him now https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |

Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
249
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:22:00 -
[5111] - Quote
Lexmana wrote: Do you see the difference here? It is a game and we do things in this game that we would never do IRL. In fact, some of the activities we do in game would lead to capital punishment in some (primitive) countries IRL. Bashing the U.S. are you? Huh? Huh?  |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
525
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:41:00 -
[5112] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Rico Minali wrote:
Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.
If you dont want to be associated with cyberbullying DONT CYBERBULLYHow is that ******* hard? And cyberbullying the media site ( NOT IN GAME ACTIONS I MIGHT ADD) into removing the stories doesnt help your cause
1: I am not associated with cyber bullying and never will be. 2: Dont swear at me, you might get petitioned, much like I did when I said vomit. 3: I dont have a cause.
What I am against is anyone prepared to try and cause someone any harm simply to further their in game ambitions or as repayment for their pixels being exploded. I have never defended what The Mittani said, what I have done is stood up against the fact that what he said is being used to try and further in game ambitions by people who are either a: his enemies, or b: butthurt by something teh goons have done in the past. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
548
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:49:00 -
[5113] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:we're officially being cyber-bullied as it is defined by Wikipedia

+1 for the 'professional' media site that has a teenager or pre-teen as their editor-in-chief. I'll bet the emails took his lunch money too. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose
Remove all incursions from hisec |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
525
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:00:00 -
[5114] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Indeed.
What is puzzling in the whole case is how people think that "he started it" somehow justifies adults being idiots to each other. First it is a ship blowing up justifying emotional blackmail by suicide threats. Then it's suicide threats justifying public mocking and bullying. Then it's bullying justifying real-life threats to someone's family... Wonder what comes next. If the quality reasoning presented by the community so far continues, we will surely end up with murder and real-life wardecs. Escalation of an interweb spaceship game causing real life hurt leads to nuclear winter! "They started it", explains a survivor to the last surviving newspaper.
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This is absolutely true. So why are we still arguing the toss? I have not at any point said any of what has happened is justified, apart from that very first ship destruction, which was a simple (though unhappy for the victim) in game event. Everything done since that event has been a wrong and unjustifiable reaction.
None on it is defendable, everything done was wrong from the emotional blackmails up to the threats of real life harm to people who dont even play Eve.
What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc and there is no point arguing that no one is doign it for exactly that reason and no other. I dare say some people really do have some moral outrage going on but this number will be small, the majority arguing for ccp to permaban and everythign else are doing it for in game reasons not moral ones.
So... Im leaving it here. No more from me on this matter. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:28:00 -
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Harry Farina wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harry Farina wrote:The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much. Respect is earned, not deserved. So tell me how you treat random strangers. They clearly haven't earned your respect. I mean how could they if they have never met you. Everybody new you meet is obviously disrespecting you. And what exactly is the criteria for your "respect".
I give everyone a basic level of respect, and generally people may call it good manners. That is something I give freely. However from that point on it is upto them whether the go up or down. |

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
296
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:33:00 -
[5116] - Quote
Ah the thread that keeps on threading To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
118
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:09:00 -
[5117] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:After viewing all related events and material pertaining to this situation, the only conclusion anyone can deduct from all this is that The Mittani's apology and statements posted by 'His People' trying to justify his actions is nothing more than a classic example of hypocrisy.
Hitting the nail right on the head. Case closed.
Goon tear bucket, now barrel, full to the top.
Nothing clever at this time. |

Krenalla
Modern Order of the Praetorians
26
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:12:00 -
[5118] - Quote
So just left the basement
Whats happened ?? |

Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:02:00 -
[5119] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Rico Minali wrote:
Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.
If you dont want to be associated with cyberbullying DONT CYBERBULLYHow is that ******* hard? And cyberbullying the media site ( NOT IN GAME ACTIONS I MIGHT ADD) into removing the stories doesnt help your cause 1: I am not associated with cyber bullying and never will be. 2: Dont swear at me, you might get petitioned, much like I did when I said vomit. 3: I dont have a cause.
dude, learn to read... I doubt that comment was directed AT you -.- Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:07:00 -
[5120] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:[quote=Elsebeth Rhiannon]
What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc
please read:
Quote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense? Quote: 3. HARASSMENT An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine).
immediate permanent ban Immediate
PERMINANT
ban
If it was any of us guess which part of that would be true? It damn sure wouldnt be 30 days
Double post cause "too many quotes" Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1442
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:15:00 -
[5121] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Rico Minali wrote:[quote=Elsebeth Rhiannon]
What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc please read: Quote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense? Quote: 3. HARASSMENT An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine). immediate permanent ban Immediate PERMINANTban If it was any of us guess which part of that would be true? It damn sure wouldnt be 30 days Double post cause "too many quotes"
Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban
Just to point out the painfully obvious. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
49
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:29:00 -
[5122] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Rico Minali wrote:[quote=Elsebeth Rhiannon]
What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc please read: Quote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense? Quote: 3. HARASSMENT An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine). immediate permanent ban Immediate PERMINANTban If it was any of us guess which part of that would be true? It damn sure wouldnt be 30 days
I'm not seeing the part that Mittens broke. |

Ai Shun
585
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:22:00 -
[5123] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Just to point out the painfully obvious.
"may result"
You forgot that part of the painfully obvious  |

Khergit Deserters
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:03:00 -
[5124] - Quote
The Slide is the smoking gun. Premeditated ill intent. But the apology counts for something. But the later whining whacks the benefit of the apology up the side of the head. A Goon whining about not being treated fairly... you know, something's kind of ironic about that. |

Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:27:00 -
[5125] - Quote
Hey Mittens doesnt happen to live in Arizona per chance?
US; Making Trolls ILLEGAL
rofl, good luck enforcing that one
Thomas Orca wrote:
I'm not seeing the part that Mittens broke.
Nor would you were it pointed out but yea Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:43:00 -
[5126] - Quote
Jeez, all this stuff about mittens, it's enough to drive a man to drink. You want fries with that? |

Marduk Nibiru
Risk Breakers C0NVICTED
145
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:03:00 -
[5127] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Jeez, all this stuff about mittens, it's enough to drive a man to drink.
As long as you drive me home too....it's all good |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:07:00 -
[5128] - Quote
Krenalla wrote:So just left the basement
Whats happened ??
A lot of shitposting. |

RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
736
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:13:00 -
[5129] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so...
There is a hint of mental illness in there. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1398
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:17:00 -
[5130] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Jeez, all this stuff about mittens, it's enough to drive a man to drink.
That's what happens to A Man Of Constant Sorrow |
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