As I've said elsewhere in this thread, a lot of you detractors seem to think this is the sort of game that isn't about being someone other than yourself (smirk #1),

that honesty and good will are somehow things that are valued in Eve (smirk #2),[quote=L00B]

I don't believe anyone is expecting that INGAME ... OUT OF GAME on the other hand, yes, plenty of players do expect that.

[quote=L00B]... and that CCP has somehow portrayed itself as a company that will give all your stuff back via petition if some bad man took it from you (smirk #3).

OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.

I will tell you plainly I think the behaviour of Alexander Gianturco in his role as Chair of CSM6 is far more important by way of example and media impact than the situation of the mining barge guy (whom we're assured is quite okay). This turned out okay from a player health and rl angle so good. But the matter remains that the current chair of the CSM saw fit to get steaming drunk and invite people to troll some guy to death in the view of the cameras and gaming media and that is not okay.



Well his wife said as much on SA. Talking of his episodes of "blind drunkenness" and fights where he couldn't remember what he'd done or said to anyone. One might say if this kind of stuff shouldn't be discussed on an internet forum why did she post it on an internet forum in the first place? Isn't it a bit ironic to hear a goon complaining about having one's personal laundrey aired out to dry in a scandal that arose from (well) hanging somebody else's emotional laundrey out to dry.

See, I wouldn't really be as interested in all this were you and a thousand other goons trying your level best to pass this stuff off as acceptable behaviour for a player of eve online in the environment of fanfest. Thats what rubs me up the wrong way really because its excusing this grevious breach of trust on Alexander's behalf and going some way to invalidate his apology. The goons are making it look like a false statement because they are effectively trying to justify this kind of thing in the fanfest environment.



On that point we'll have to agree to disagree. I as a player of eve online have expressed my view that Alexander Gianturco is no longer an appropriate chair of the player council in Eve online. Its my right and priviledge as a paying customer of Eve to express this opinion as its your right to disagree. You may accuse me of whatever you please, it doesn't change what happened.

I believe that what the Mittani did was wrong and in my opinion he can no longer chair the CSM. Hope he gets a handle on his drinking. My thoughts are with those effected by his actions

First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.

The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".

Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.

It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?

So you've been non-stop spinning and lying and changing your position while threatening people and mocking them and then someone suggest your new super moral stance is a stupid lie?

That would depend, did they do it in front of thousand of people, hundreds who were present and then thousand more in front of a live tv feed at an official CCP Event.

Did it then get the attention of numerous gaming internet sites (hopefully it goes no further) ?

Also didn't HB get banned for saying that a CCP Dev should die in a fire didn't he?

First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.

The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".

Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.

It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?

HB???

Look at this Jade, do you see this? This is a good post from a sitting CSM member whose alliance is not friendly with ours, but can make a decision without letting previous history and poor culture assessments as well as a distinct inability to separate Mittens the Goon from Alex the person get in the way of said decision.

First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.

The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".

Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.

It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?

Um, the person who sujjested that Soundwave would Die in a fire DID get banned.

OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.

You're not very good at dodging questions. I'll take your inability to respond to the point as your concession that you have no response. Face it, you and your alts have your hands stuck in the cookie jar and there's no getting out of it. You are the one's making mountains of molehills for your own agendas and you know it. Also, quoting yourself was a pretty stupid move as it makes your motivations very clear as to why you're so attached to the issue of getting more and more punishments heaped on an issue you are in no way directly connected to. I'd suggest you stop trying to dig out of the hole you're in.

Mittens, your apology might have been believable if you hadn't also been consistently saying the same outside of the Alliance Forum. At the Null Sec round table you got a laugh out of the crowd for talking about "Murdering" newcomers to the game.

Given that you're apologizing here and banning people who disagree with you over on Kugu.com, I'm going to go with 'obvious troll'.

Mittens, your apology might have been believable if you hadn't also been consistently saying the same outside of the Alliance Forum. At the Null Sec round table you got a laugh out of the crowd for talking about "Murdering" newcomers to the game.

Given that you're apologizing here and banning people who disagree with you over on Kugu.com, I'm going to go with 'obvious troll'.

Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:

10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000

Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.

Besides (as I keep reminding everyone) he hasn't actually broken any rules. There's no reason to ban him from a EULA/TOS perspective, no matter how acceptable his behaviour may or may not have been.

Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:

10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000

Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.

The body currently headed by The Mittani is discussing recent events involving the behaviour of The Mittani? Cool.

Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:

10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000

Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.

Besides (as I keep reminding everyone) he hasn't actually broken any rules. There's no reason to ban him from a EULA/TOS perspective, no matter how acceptable his behaviour may or may not have been.

Couple those things with this internet rage machine you seem to be caught in being WAY more mad about this event than the actual person aggrieved, is just pathetic, transparent, and an obvious ploy for nothing but attention cloaked as politics.

The body currently headed by The Mittani is discussing recent events involving the behaviour of The Mittani? Cool.

First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.

The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".

Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.

It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?

It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned.

Mittens, your apology might have been believable if you hadn't also been consistently saying the same outside of the Alliance Forum. At the Null Sec round table you got a laugh out of the crowd for talking about "Murdering" newcomers to the game.

Given that you're apologizing here and banning people who disagree with you over on Kugu.com, I'm going to go with 'obvious troll'.