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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
180
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:33:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote: You're not very good at dodging questions. I'll take your inability to respond to the point as your concession that you have no response. Face it, you and your alts have your hands stuck in the cookie jar and there's no getting out of it. You are the one's making mountains of molehills for your own agendas and you know it. Also, quoting yourself was a pretty stupid move as it makes your motivations very clear as to why you're so attached to the issue of getting more and more punishments heaped on an issue you are in no way directly connected to. I'd suggest you stop trying to dig out of the hole you're in.
How tpb "The Wis" feels about what happened is not the primary issue. It never was.[/quote]
I know it was. As I've already pointed out (and how you seem to like ignoring for convenience), the issue is that you found something public that you could personally feel indignant about and blew it out of proportion and grabbed your pitchfork for a witch hunt. You have an axe to grind. You don't contest this because it is true. I'm ready to hear your backpedaling.
Princess Bride wrote:The issue is that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable. If you need an explanation as to why, read Alex's apology where he explains it clearly. Do you agree with Alex on this point, or not?
Clearly every statement made in poor taste in or about EVE requires a media circus in the gaming blogs and a 100+ post threadnaught. Since the offense only has a victim in the form of a bunch of angry white knights with agendas and nothing else, I personally find little reason to care about what you find "unacceptable." |

DrunkenOne
Unknown Soldiers GIANTSBANE.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:33:00 -
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even ingame as an elected official you should feel ashamed. Resign now, the game is better without you!
CCP this should be a perma ban. Legally CCP could be held responsible for promoting hate. This guy is a cancer GHTFO |

ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:34:00 -
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Nacion Allier wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. By showing yourself as a drunken loudmouths the CMS lost all credibility, disband yourself is the only decent thing to do!
GoonSwarm did that already and look what happened, the suicide inciter got into power and began his reign of terror over Titan owners and Makinaw pilots!  |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:35:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned.
So what's the math on any future lawsuits in which the plaintiff uses CCP -not- banning The Mittani for this as evidence that CCP was grossly negligent in letting behaviour like this go unpunished? Wrongful death awards can range pretty high, and a decent argument can be made for comparative negligence if they let it stand. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Gark32
White Star Line 2010 GIANTSBANE.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:35:00 -
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a Ban would not let the punishment fit the crime, so i say no ban.
i do, however, think that he should step down from chair, and possibly from the CSM in general. |

Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:36:00 -
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Kai Tel wrote: He used his position on a public stage provided by CCP to mock, bully, and attempted to instigate widespread harassment of another player in real life.
Ummm, he used his position as an Alliance CEO at the Alliance Panel. You know, people have different roles at different times?
It doesn't matter though, your opinion is a foregone conclusion. Your open hatred prevents any sort of logical reasoning. |

L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:36:00 -
[2317] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote: How tpb "The Wis" feels about what happened is not the primary issue. It never was. The issue is that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable. If you need an explanation as to why, read Alex's apology where he explains it clearly. Do you agree with Alex on this point, or not?
No, I don't. I don't have an issue with the apology, I have an issue with you and your band of dipshits crowing about this like it's some sort of moral holocaust. Without the Wis, you wouldn't even have this thread at all. And considering the Wis doesn't give a damn, it follows that none of you really should either.
It's completely clear that it matters not to you people what the original event was.
Find out he put his foot in his mouth? Take days to get offended.
Person insulted isn't offended? Claim moral high ground by insisting it's the concept, not the facts.
A goon apologizes, shattering your worldview that we're all sociopathic societal rejects? Backpedal and pretend that CCP is the company you wish it to be, not the company it is.
Get pointed out that CCP isn't what you think is? Instantly become experts in international law and predict lawsuits. |

de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
71
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:37:00 -
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Resignation is the only option. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3614
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:37:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned. So what's the math on any future lawsuits in which the plaintiff uses CCP -not- banning The Mittani for this as evidence that CCP was grossly negligent in letting behaviour like this go unpunished? Wrongful death awards can range pretty high, and a decent argument can be made for comparative negligence if they let it stand.
you're a useless waste of oxygen, fyi "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Kilikas Avoridian
Hard Knocks Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:37:00 -
[2320] - Quote
HEY MITTONS I HAVE IDEA
IF YOU GET REMOVED FROM CHAIR YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELF
THAT WILL TEACH CCP FOR USING SOCCER MOMS TO MEDIATE INTERNET SPACE SHIPS |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3614
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:37:00 -
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de4deye wrote:Resignation is the only option.
we get it you don't want your poor little titan nerfed "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Something Random
The Barrow Boys
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:38:00 -
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Your not the first and wont be the last to drop drama bombs while 'a bit drunk'.
Dont sweat it ponysefski. "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" |

Prince Kobol
386
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:38:00 -
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Ice Fist wrote:Kai Tel wrote: He used his position on a public stage provided by CCP to mock, bully, and attempted to instigate widespread harassment of another player in real life.
Ummm, he used his position as an Alliance CEO at the Alliance Panel. You know, people have different roles at different times? It doesn't matter though, your opinion is a foregone conclusion. Your open hatred prevents any sort of logical reasoning.
I guess that also includes the open hatred of most internet media outlet that reported the story as well considering that they reported him as CSM Chairman.
That is a lot of people who have a open hatred of him, must be a swell guy  |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3614
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:39:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned. So what's the math on any future lawsuits in which the plaintiff uses CCP -not- banning The Mittani for this as evidence that CCP was grossly negligent in letting behaviour like this go unpunished? Wrongful death awards can range pretty high, and a decent argument can be made for comparative negligence if they let it stand.
also f y i there is no goddamn possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit
you're absolutely retarded goddamn "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:39:00 -
[2325] - Quote
Gark32 wrote:a Ban would not let the punishment fit the crime, so i say no ban.
i do, however, think that he should step down from chair, and possibly from the CSM in general.
you knows whats intresting about this is? The Mittani may voted himself out of the CSM. That is to say that all those people that voted against him may have not even needed to do the voting. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1055
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:39:00 -
[2326] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Interesting to see how the little bees and pets have transitioned from the '**** you pubbie' posts to the 'stop picking on our sincere leader' QQ ****. Mr Epeen  I wast wondering when this sockpuppet was going to get pulled out again. Its been a while since your last spree of contentless posts.
Looks like Merch lost the pet of the day coin toss and have to play the staunch defenders of the mittani legacy until the next one.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:40:00 -
[2327] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:stuff
Do you believe that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable, or not? Still waiting on your answer. Dodging the question much? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:41:00 -
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It is hilarious how out of proportion this has gotten.
The absolute irony of this all is that the supposed 'victim' of this all is currently happily mining away on his 24 mackinaws, mostly oblivious to all the forum white-knights frothing at the mouth to condemn their eternal villain.
This is not real world politics. This is a fucking video game.
There are no 'higher standards' that any CSM has to maintain. That is utter bullshit.
The amount of hate and verbal abuse thrown at The Mittani and Goons in general makes this entire community absolutely reek of hypocrisy.
CCP's best bet is to continue on, business as usual. At worst, establish some stricter controls over the Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2013.
In a couple days time, Goons and The Mittani will be laughing our asses off about how the entire Eve community was trolled to shit by the most epic example of Poe's Law ever to present itself on the Eve-O forums. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
272
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:42:00 -
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Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned. So what's the math on any future lawsuits in which the plaintiff uses CCP -not- banning The Mittani for this as evidence that CCP was grossly negligent in letting behaviour like this go unpunished? Wrongful death awards can range pretty high, and a decent argument can be made for comparative negligence if they let it stand. also f y i there is no goddamn possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit you're absolutely re tarded goddamn
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/09/rutgers_student_kills_himself.html
You are just being plain silly now. |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:42:00 -
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Andski wrote:
also f y i there is no goddamn possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit
you're absolutely retarded goddamn
Actually, there is.
If one of Eve's players commits suicide in the future, and it appears to be about cyber-bullying on Eve, you can be SURE that the plaintiff's counsel will bring up facts about how CCP has handled cases of cyber-bullying in the past. That's a given.
Also, reported for filter bypass. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Prince Kobol
386
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:43:00 -
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Magnus Orin wrote:It is hilarious how out of proportion this has gotten. The absolute irony of this all is that the supposed 'victim' of this all is currently happily mining away on his 24 mackinaws, mostly oblivious to all the forum white-knights frothing at the mouth to condemn their eternal villain. This is not real world politics. This is a fuc king video game. There are no 'higher standards' that any CSM has to maintain. That is utter bullsh it. The amount of hate and verbal abuse thrown at The Mittani and Goons in general makes this entire community absolutely reek of hypocrisy. CCP's best bet is to continue on, business as usual. At worst, establish some stricter controls over the Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2013. In a couple days time, Goons and The Mittani will be laughing our asses off about how the entire Eve community was trolled to sh it by the most epic example of Poe's Law ever to present itself on the Eve-O forums.
It amazes me that when the Goons are spreading their hate and verbal abuse its funny and cool because were all pubbies and deserve to die, but when the tables are turned its all hypocrisy.
Its a funny world we live in 
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L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:43:00 -
[2332] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:stuff Do you believe that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable, or not? Still waiting on your answer. Dodging the question much?
In relative terms, with all the other **** that goes on in this game? Nope. You act like we live in a legal culture where stealing several thousand dollars worth of assets is somehow not held as a worse crime than saying "Kill yourself". You need to go outside more, perhaps consider reading the paper or maybe some books. |

BlitzUrSeoul
Two Brothers Mining Corp. GIANTSBANE.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:43:00 -
[2333] - Quote
It dissapoints me when i See Fellow EvE players Make mistakes. Its one thing to be serious, but out of spite. You should never Make jokes or disrespect one's Nature. Games have reflections to Human feelings if we want to believe it or not.
As much as This situation has exploded. I feel Alex "Mittani" has made a Heartfelt apologie, However he needs to do the Correct motive and step down as CSM. Atleast he has made steps foward to retaining some diginity.
All in All, This subject should not be a laughing matter.
Deepest Sympathy's for both Parties, BlitzUrSeoul - Giantsbane. CEO |

Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:44:00 -
[2334] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned. Yes, it is. A pretty unrealistic one too.
However, that wasn't my point. The point is that from CCP's standpoint, it's a simple matter of weighing the potential financial impact of banning him against the potential impact of negative PR. The above is meant as a worst-case scenario...I would have assumed that much would be obvious. GoonSwarm may seem from an outside perspective to be a "hive mind" but I doubt that's actually the case (unless Mittani has been doing his own Third Wave Experiment or something).
All of this, of course, ignores the other point that I'd brought up in that post: Mittani didn't break any rules. As far as I know CCP hasn't codified CSM conduct, so to ban him would be setting a pretty nasty precedent. "You didn't actually break any of the rules you agreed to follow, but from our subjective standpoint we don't like what you did so we're banning you anyway." I'm not saying that isn't possible, but it definitely behooves them to draw a line somewhere so people know exactly what is and isn't "acceptable conduct". |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3615
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:44:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:
also f y i there is no goddamn possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit
you're absolutely retarded goddamn
Actually, there is. If one of Eve's players commits suicide in the future, and it appears to be about cyber-bullying on Eve, you can be SURE that the plaintiff's counsel will bring up facts about how CCP has handled cases of cyber-bullying in the past. That's a given. Also, reported for filter bypass.
LOL you are hilarious
never stop
seriously in your case you should probably be banned for all this e-stalking you've loudly stated that you've done "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Inovy Dacella
Proper Villains
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:44:00 -
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ExhumeToConsume wrote:Nacion Allier wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. By showing yourself as a drunken loudmouths the CMS lost all credibility, disband yourself is the only decent thing to do! GoonSwarm did that already and look what happened, the suicide inciter got into power and began his reign of terror over Titan owners and Makinaw pilots! 
So you think Titan owners and Makinaw pilots should have more rights? |

OfBalance
Caldari State
280
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:45:00 -
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O SPACE-CAPTAIN! my Space-Captain! their smear campaign is done; The votes have weathered every rack, the prize we sought is won; The port is near, the cries I hear, the people all insulting, While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and sulking: But O heart! heart! heart! O the bleeding drops of red, Where on the deck my Space-Captain lies, Fallen from smug to dread.
O Space-Captain! my Space-Captain! rise up and hear the yells; Rise upGÇöfor you the flag is flungGÇöfor you the posting trills; For you catalysts and ganked wreathsGÇöfor you the goons a-crowding; For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning; Here Space-Captain! dear goonfather! This post beneath your text; It is some dream that on the forum, Fallen from smug to dread.
My Space-Captain does not answer, his posts are pale and ill; My goonfather does not read my text, he has no smug nor will; The ship is anchorGÇÖd safe and sound, its voyage closed and done; From massive vote, the victor ship, comes in with CSM won; Exult, O stations, and writhe, O pubbies! But I, with mournful tread, On the forum my Space-Captain lies, Fallen from smug to dread. |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:46:00 -
[2338] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Princess Bride wrote:The issue is that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable. If you need an explanation as to why, read Alex's apology where he explains it clearly. Do you agree with Alex on this point, or not? Clearly every statement made in poor taste in or about EVE requires a media circus in the gaming blogs and a 100+ post threadnaught. Since the offense only has a victim in the form of a bunch of angry white knights with agendas and nothing else, I personally find little reason to care about what you find "unacceptable."
Sigh, even after their space-king as admitted he's in the wrong, they still continue......
Almost as if they know his apology was a Fake!
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Deren Gard
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:46:00 -
[2339] - Quote
As someone who's hung out with Alex once or twice in the past - and as a W-space pilot with virtually nothing at stake in the spergtastic melodrama-saturated world of alliance politics - I think his response to his (colossal) mistake is genuine. When we play this game, whether we're explicit RPers or not, we're all playing roles. I'm a combat pilot who thrives on conflict and maybe a little in-game trolling from time to time, but that's because this is all just internet spaceships. Nothing is ever really at stake in Eve Online, so being an obnoxious jerk to strangers in New Eden amounts to nothing in real life. In real life, I'm just some guy with a job, a fiancee, and a desire to make the real world a better place.
I don't know Alex that well, but we got on fine the few times that we hung out. The fact that he let his in-game persona contaminate his actions in reality is seriously disappointing, and it was an awful thing to do, and it knocked him down several pegs in my eyes. But I at least know him well enough to know that he's not blowing smoke when he talks about resigning from the CSM and giving the miner in question all of his ISK. I have no doubt that he's actually horrified by his actions, and rightfully so. Of course, he's also bearing the consequences of having spent the past few years building up a cult of personality among the Goon bloc, and the knee-jerk responses jumping to his defense are making things worse, not better.
There's a part of me that personally resents this whole mess, because there's no game on earth like Eve Online, and I spend a lot of time and energy evangelizing this game. I want to see the sandbox MMO genre grow, and that will only happen as more people start to realize what's possible in games like Eve. But when this kind of thing happens, it just makes potential players more reluctant, and it paints Eve - and sandbox MMOs in general - as a hive of sociopathic maniacs whose sole purpose in life is to bring each other to suicidal ruin. It actually negatively impacts the genre, and I hate that this latest setback came from someone who's always spoken so highly of the player-driven sandbox.
I think resigning from the CSM is the best thing Alex can do to demonstrate that he actually feels sorry for screwing the pooch here. As for giving all his ISK to the Mac miner, I imagine that's something for the victim to decide.
TL;DR Alex was a jerk, but he's actually sorry; all this noise ain't helping. |

CarbonBunny
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:46:00 -
[2340] - Quote
Step One stepping down from chair, i agree with step two should be your character being banned form game.
the reality here is that there are some people in this world who may use this game as there social platform as in they may have issues preventing them from being able to socialize in the normal context. the fact you took the mick out of this guy / girl and also in public is a dissgrace for eve and eve players, yes we all like a little bit of banter every now and then, does not give anyone in power to riddicule them without there knowledge or permission. i think it is dissgusting what you have done and would actually like to see ccp do something about this. |
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