So what's the math on any future lawsuits in which the plaintiff uses CCP -not- banning The Mittani for this as evidence that CCP was grossly negligent in letting behaviour like this go unpunished? Wrongful death awards can range pretty high, and a decent argument can be made for comparative negligence if they let it stand.

It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood

Looks like Merch lost the pet of the day coin toss and have to play the staunch defenders of the mittani legacy until the next one.

Mr Epeen

Ummm, he used his position as an Alliance CEO at the Alliance Panel. You know, people have different roles at different times?

It doesn't matter though, your opinion is a foregone conclusion. Your open hatred prevents any sort of logical reasoning.

Do you believe that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable, or not? Still waiting on your answer. Dodging the question much?

As someone who's hung out with Alex once or twice in the past - and as a W-space pilot with virtually nothing at stake in the spergtastic melodrama-saturated world of alliance politics - I think his response to his (colossal) mistake is genuine. When we play this game, whether we're explicit RPers or not, we're all playing roles. I'm a combat pilot who thrives on conflict and maybe a little in-game trolling from time to time, but that's because this is all just internet spaceships. Nothing is ever really at stake in Eve Online, so being an obnoxious jerk to strangers in New Eden amounts to nothing in real life. In real life, I'm just some guy with a job, a fiancee, and a desire to make the real world a better place.

I don't know Alex that well, but we got on fine the few times that we hung out. The fact that he let his in-game persona contaminate his actions in reality is seriously disappointing, and it was an awful thing to do, and it knocked him down several pegs in my eyes. But I at least know him well enough to know that he's not blowing smoke when he talks about resigning from the CSM and giving the miner in question all of his ISK. I have no doubt that he's actually horrified by his actions, and rightfully so. Of course, he's also bearing the consequences of having spent the past few years building up a cult of personality among the Goon bloc, and the knee-jerk responses jumping to his defense are making things worse, not better.

There's a part of me that personally resents this whole mess, because there's no game on earth like Eve Online, and I spend a lot of time and energy evangelizing this game. I want to see the sandbox MMO genre grow, and that will only happen as more people start to realize what's possible in games like Eve. But when this kind of thing happens, it just makes potential players more reluctant, and it paints Eve - and sandbox MMOs in general - as a hive of sociopathic maniacs whose sole purpose in life is to bring each other to suicidal ruin. It actually negatively impacts the genre, and I hate that this latest setback came from someone who's always spoken so highly of the player-driven sandbox.

I think resigning from the CSM is the best thing Alex can do to demonstrate that he actually feels sorry for screwing the pooch here. As for giving all his ISK to the Mac miner, I imagine that's something for the victim to decide.

TL;DR Alex was a jerk, but he's actually sorry; all this noise ain't helping.

No you're right, lets have another election.



Conversely, if theres no victim this time whats to say there'll be no victim next time. Have some internal consistency in your arguments please.

LOL you are hilarious

never stop

seriously in your case you should probably be banned for all this e-stalking you've loudly stated that you've done

Don't... do that. Nothing has been blown out of proportion and there's no need to take Mittani's possible resignation from CSM so dramatically. What he did out there could end *really* dramatically though, but one guy stepping down from his position of lead community representative shouldn't be such a big deal for the rest of the CSM, nor you should even think about protecting or finding excuses for him (if that's what you intend to do). Finally, If he had the tiniest sense for responsibility and wasn't so obsessed with spotlights and virtual power, he would already step down and silence this shitstorm before it started.

So just help him to resign asap and save your own reputation as respected CSM member before it's too late.

Still going through with it?

Actually, there is.

If one of Eve's players commits suicide in the future, and it appears to be about cyber-bullying on Eve, you can be SURE that the plaintiff's counsel will bring up facts about how CCP has handled cases of cyber-bullying in the past. That's a given.

Also, reported for filter bypass.

You don't read. That's nice. Since you can't bother reading things you seem to want to argue about I'll repeat myself. I, personally, do not find his statements out of line to the extent that he has been accused of. Is it proper to incite another person to actual suicide? No. I agree with The Mittani on that point. However, you take that and run with it to your own ends. You keep trying to refocus this away from your own motivations for blowing this out of proportion. Don't worry sweetcakes, everyone with basic reading skills already knows that you have an axe to grind. You've already said as much yourself. This isn't about the person he made the joke about, its that you found something to get offended about and because you were offended by it he has to be punished. I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't stop on a dime for things you want to get offended about.

You don't read. That's nice. Since you can't bother reading things you seem to want to argue about I'll repeat myself. I, personally, do not find his statements out of line to the extent that he has been accused of. Is it proper to incite another person to actual suicide? No. I agree with The Mittani on that point. However, you take that and run with it to your own ends. You keep trying to refocus this away from your own motivations for blowing this out of proportion. Don't worry sweetcakes, everyone with basic reading skills already knows that you have an axe to grind. You've already said as much yourself. This isn't about the person he made the joke about, its that you found something to get offended about and because you were offended by it he has to be punished. I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't stop on a dime for things you want to get offended about.

If one of Eve's players commits suicide in the future, and it appears to be about cyber-bullying on Eve, you can be SURE that the plaintiff's counsel will bring up facts about how CCP has handled cases of cyber-bullying in the past. That's a given.

So, goon tears best tears? "Wah, even though I admit what he did was horrible, you're being UNFAIR!" "Wah, you have an axe to grind, quit being so mean!"

all i see in your posts is GÇÿa bloo bloo blooGÇÖ, my computer must be screwing up again~

Also, you may want to look around at the number of people other than me who were offended by it. That doesn't worry you? It should. It worries Alex.

But fanfest events showed that Alex Gianturco does not have the qualities that CCP must demand for an out-of-game CSM position: his behaviour was unacceptable and his ingame achievements (or number of fans) should not excuse him.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything? He would have been on that stage had he been on the CSM 6 or not. He was there representing Goonswarm Federation, an alliance in the spaceship game Eve Online.

And since when does CCP demand that CSMs have certain qualities aside from being over 18 and willing to give out their real name?

Please, share with us your qualifications to make such statements regarding specifically the following

a) how much time you've spent on these forums
vs
b) how much time you have spent being educated by a competent authority regarding the actual profession of law


The only given is that you're a ******* windbag opportunist.

You should read the rules of running for CSM mate.

Thanks for admitting he dosent represent the players though.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything? He would have been on that stage had he been on the CSM 6 or not. He was there representing Goonswarm Federation, an alliance in the spaceship game Eve Online.

And since when does CCP demand that CSMs have certain qualities aside from being over 18 and willing to give out their real name?

They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.

Please, share with us your qualifications to make such statements regarding specifically the following

a) how much time you've spent on these forums
vs
b) how much time you have spent being educated by a competent authority regarding the actual profession of law


The only given is that you're a ******* windbag opportunist.

Since they wrote this:


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM

You know what. All this pubbie B*** S*** is entirely too funny. You complain and gripe about an aspect of the game that is prevalent and real in the arena of play. If such an environment did not exist, then Empire space would be completely safe, no pirates would exist and no conflict would exist in game. Guess what, even the presentations were a reflection of the gaming community, NOT the players real life, even though real people were present.

GET OVER YOURSELF already. Holy Sh!7!!!! Crawl back in to your hole and go play ANGRY BIRDS and take your frustrations on on something where no-one loses except you and your whiny ass, disillusioned pansies that you associate with.

IF, I was offended, the dude apologized. so STFU and move on. I thought is was funny as hell myself. I know all your friends IRL don't need any enemies with folks like you around.

I don't think 'conversely' is the word you're after. The precise point is we don't know what will happen, which means such actions are a gamble with someone's well-being. I don't think 'internal consistency' is really the phrase you need either since you haven't pointed out any inconsistency but do please continue to throw arbitrary words and phrases into sentences. You know, monkeys and typewriters and all that ... you might put together something sensible somewhere down the line by accident.

Since they wrote this:


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM