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Easley Thames The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.16 00:19:00 - [31] A few weeks ago IAC seemed to be in a strong position. We were having success against UNL (even though we knew big-daddy -A- would just save them if it got too bad), we felt confident we could repel -A- in our core systems (or at least had a chance) and 5-6 long roams per day kept life interesting. I would guess that if the invasion came then we would see equal numbers (or more) than we had at any time in the past few months. Defense draws in the casual pilots in IAC much more effectively, and we had several allies who could have brought sub-cap fleets if we had asked. However, the combination of several controversial reforms and the goon reset occuring just before two key corps decided to leave IAC was a perfect storm. The aftermath of this news was nothing short of mass hysteria. Everyone talked about defending our space, but they were talking while stuffing their belongings into giant secure containers. Every single corp began jumping carriers and JF out 23/7 and when -A- showed up many other corps had decided to leave. Even the most stubborn had at most a few BS and some cheap T1 ships to throw away, and organized gangs were very rare. If we had time to see Hachou's plan through and complete the special projects (of the super-cap variety) IAC would have been harder to remove. At least there would have been epic fights worth losing. Instead we were attacked at a moment of great instability. There have been no real fights worth talking about. -A- did not focus on camping the routes out of our space and for several nights it was possible to jump caps in/out of MB-NKE so IAC's assets were largely removed safely (other than the few towers that were left up). Right now the forums and alliance mail have become a forum for (mostly clueless) members to invent conspiracy theories. I think the best one so far is that Hachou's kids are in UNL and that he blew up our alliance for their benefit. You also have to love the one where he steals more money that we have ever had (at least while I was in the alliance). There definately were some very questionable choices made at every level (from individual corps all the way up to the execs). Still, my feeling (and this is shared by all the mavs) is that we had fun while we were a part of IAC. We regret that it went down in this fashion, but we don't really feel much hatred for anyone over it.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.09.16 00:29:00 - [32] Originally by: WhiteLitch Guys, this is sad! Where is the IAC of 2006 that stopped the BOB invasion at F4? PLEASE don't all die like wusses but fight to the bitter end! Also if you remember the battle plan from 2006 [blows dust off the battle plan], the key part was to move to the Litom, Jamunda, Doril area and then wage incessant guerilla warfare out of NPC stations until the time is ready to retake the outposts in case bob actually breaks the back of sov and takes more outposts! Actually I think you're a little off. IAC tried to defend it and this is about what happened there. The reason they kept F4R is because BoB took off and left like 4 or 5 of us to defend it without warning. As anyone in IAC at that time can attest to, they still didn't get that tower very easily. That was probably the most fun I've had doing POS warfare. Buck Fob. Destroy all that which is evil, so that which is good may flourish.
Shikome Alluin Genco	Posted - 2008.09.16 01:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Easley Thames A few weeks ago IAC seemed to be in a strong position. We were having success against UNL (even though we knew big-daddy -A- would just save them if it got too bad), we felt confident we could repel -A- in our core systems (or at least had a chance) and 5-6 long roams per day kept life interesting. I would guess that if the invasion came then we would see equal numbers (or more) than we had at any time in the past few months. Defense draws in the casual pilots in IAC much more effectively, and we had several allies who could have brought sub-cap fleets if we had asked. However, the combination of several controversial reforms and the goon reset occuring just before two key corps decided to leave IAC was a perfect storm. The aftermath of this news was nothing short of mass hysteria. Everyone talked about defending our space, but they were talking while stuffing their belongings into giant secure containers. Every single corp began jumping carriers and JF out 23/7 and when -A- showed up many other corps had decided to leave. Even the most stubborn had at most a few BS and some cheap T1 ships to throw away, and organized gangs were very rare. If we had time to see Hachou's plan through and complete the special projects (of the super-cap variety) IAC would have been harder to remove. At least there would have been epic fights worth losing. Instead we were attacked at a moment of great instability. There have been no real fights worth talking about. -A- did not focus on camping the routes out of our space and for several nights it was possible to jump caps in/out of MB-NKE so IAC's assets were largely removed safely (other than the few towers that were left up). Right now the forums and alliance mail have become a forum for (mostly clueless) members to invent conspiracy theories. I think the best one so far is that Hachou's kids are in UNL and that he blew up our alliance for their benefit. You also have to love the one where he steals more money that we have ever had (at least while I was in the alliance). There definately were some very questionable choices made at every level (from individual corps all the way up to the execs). Still, my feeling (and this is shared by all the mavs) is that we had fun while we were a part of IAC. We regret that it went down in this fashion, but we don't really feel much hatred for anyone over it. this^^
Shkval Valiant Logistics Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.16 01:48:00 - [34] The entire cluster ** going on within IAC at this point boils down to simple poor leadership. The execs have more of a clue how to diddle each others crotch crumpets than how to run an alliance. Coming up with arbitrary new rules, declarations, and ideas, over the past few months make it seem painfully obvious their intentions were to scuttle IAC. They had an ill-conceived notion that IAC could be turned into something that it is not, never has been, nor ever will be. IAC was primarily an industrial alliance with the atmosphere of laid back and jovial drunkards. It could never be a militaristic alliance led by dictatorial leaders since the personality of most of the members wasnt inclined along this path. The leadership, after snorting several keys of coke, thought it would be a brilliant plan to try to emulate other alliances with the simplistic notion it would work yet not taking into account the actual reasons it works for the other alliances and would never work with IAC. After the lobotomy brigade made their announcements of how they wanted IAC to be run any corp with a lick of sense realized they were currently aboard the fail train chugging out of control down the tracks to abortion station and, being rational, got the hell off before the train wreck of biblical proportions. There is no significant resistance to any of the red incursions into JZV or the surrounding systems. Reds roam at will against zero resistance. The leadership is nowhere to be found except for random sporadic announcements of words that are supposed to say something but mean nothing. It amazes me that with all the capable individuals within IAC that some of them dont step forward to boot the fail-magnet leadership and get things back on track. As things stand now the general consensus is the key alliance leaders are red alts who jockeyed into positions of authority to allow them be the coathangers jammed the womb that is JZV to skewer IAC like the unwanted spawn of a crak*** after a long month of earning her drug money from countless random partners. Reds failed miserably at conquering JZV so theyve stooped to subterfuge. To those who have run what was formerly the best alliance in Eve into the ground...we salute you... (_!_)
MadMerlin International House of PWNCakes Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.16 04:12:00 - [35] ITT: Whiney people who can't take the heat!
Pi Patel	Posted - 2008.09.16 04:26:00 - [36] I don't normally view this nonsense, in fact this is my 1st post to these forums. So far I see a lot of clueless speculation mixed with a little truth and perhaps a touch of sour grapes. As we are fond of saying in IAC "We're not dead yet". Whether it is in its present form or a new one, we will continue to be a thorn in the side for a select few. This is in no way meant to be a threat, but a promise. We will inflict more damage than we recieve. We are just warming up, pals
Asmophedia	Posted - 2008.09.16 05:19:00 - [37] Edited by: Asmophedia on 16/09/2008 05:20:07 Well it's a bit late for a warm up now that -A- is at the JZV gates...
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.09.16 06:58:00 - [38] Originally by: WhiteLitch Guys, this is sad! Where is the IAC of 2006 that stopped the BOB invasion at F4? It wasn't a BoB invasion, it was MC/ISS and LV (lulz) and as soon as -A- turned up on IAC's side they ran away quite literally screaming. I should know, I heard it all on TS then leaked the forum posts on CAOD. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers	Posted - 2008.09.16 08:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: WhiteLitch Guys, this is sad! Where is the IAC of 2006 that stopped the BOB invasion at F4? It wasn't a BoB invasion, it was MC/ISS and LV (lulz) and as soon as -A- turned up on IAC's side they ran away quite literally screaming. I should know, I heard it all on TS then leaked the forum posts on CAOD. Ah the good old days, everyone melting down, those were the days Good luck IAC, DLINE wishes you well.
Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2008.09.16 08:49:00 - [40] Edited by: Liam Galagher on 16/09/2008 08:49:06 Originally by: WhiteLitch Guys, this is sad! Where is the IAC of 2006 that stopped the BOB invasion at F4? lol, you dont understand one thing.... AAA has a hard-on for pvp. BOB just wanna control entire 0.0 . see the difference? btw, all that stuff about iac was a self-fulfilling prophecy. _________________________________________ solo pirating ftw!
Mia Archer Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.16 10:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Kaylana Syi MINC is the only corp in IAC with real ties to the original 3 outposts, never mind the other 2 put up. they probably want to keep MINC in there since they prove they have the resources to manage the area. considering some of my personal experiences with MINC I hope they dont and MINC can DIAF, but thats just me ____________________________________________
solosnake Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:24:00 - [42] Originally by: WhiteLitch Where is the IAC of 2006 that stopped the BOB invasion at F4? We left IAC and are now part of can of whoopass owning you.
Otangka State War Academy	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:52:00 - [43] Anyone who was againts BoB is now againt -a-, enjoy your victories dumbass -a- time will come, see how many allies you'll left
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Otangka Anyone who was againts BoB is now againt -a-, enjoy your victories dumbass -a- time will come, see how many allies you'll left I'm glad trial players take the time to post in caod, it really encourages me about the state of the game.
Zontar Kaltarion Gallente Genco	Posted - 2008.09.16 12:56:00 - [45] Lets remember that nothing stays the same - in life and especially in EVE. What gets taken away can soon be re-taken. I was in IAC for over two years - and it was (and still is) a fantastic alliance. I went to Europe for a 3 month holiday in 2006 and returned to (Australia) to find F4 in enemy hands and things looking bleak - yet IAC routed the aggressors and we went on to build outposts in MB and JBY and RNF. We soon had V2 and FAT and 25S and things were looking good. IAC in its prime was NRDS and let neutrals dock and travel freely through its space - encouraging trade and more friendly activity - our space in Catch was the best stocked space in 0.0 that I had ever visited. It was unfortunate that my first IAC corp Umbra Congregato didn't recover from TT's MS thefts - and so I had to move to another corp - luckily I chose Genco. Genco decided to leave IAC - for reasons others can speculate on - and so it is with heavy heart that I also left IAC with my corp. Don't give up IAC - I'll be fighting alongside you until the last battle! Zontar
Rach NiKunni	Posted - 2008.09.16 13:50:00 - [46] Originally by: Shkval .... snip .... *** rant (_!_) Well mate, I know that Goons turning red made you lose your favorite ratting spots but nothing that has transpired makes me think that Hachou did this on purpose. In fact, it wasn't Hachou that stuck his poker into Kraftwerk's hornet nest and get us reset. The boob that did that was the first rat who jumped ship after he set off the bomb and Goons reset us. What's happening now is what -A- have wanted to do for a long time but didn't because we were still blue to Goons. This was bound to happen eventually anyway. IAC had become loose bark on a tree. We knew that at some point someone was bound to reach out try to break it off. At first I also thought it was really odd to try increasing the size of PVP fleets by precipitating an exodus but Hachou's plan isn't all together odd. I think he knows that IAC is doomed with all red and no blue, nowhere to run and no way to stop the flood. I mean, even Goons were afraid enough of -A- (the way I see it) to sacrifice IAC for it's own security, so you can't expect Hachou to have a plan that will counter that.... I don't think his survival plan was ever to hold JZV. IAC will survive but probably not in JZV and when Hachou's rebuilding is done the new IAC may end up being a lot "tougher" than it has been in the past. Time will tell.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.16 14:14:00 - [47] What goes around , comes around !
elchief Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.09.16 14:15:00 - [48] no one is more dissapointed in iac than us i think, especially me, after living in that alliance for 3 or 4 years. helping it grow from a fledgling group of 4 or 5 corps to one of the biggest ingame (ok not one of the best pvp wise but definately the funnest)Firma was part of iac from the very begging living outta a pos in g-7 for months. i had mixed feelings about taking iac space away from them but after seeing the member corp list i quickly changed my mind,
Otangka State War Academy	Posted - 2008.09.16 14:26:00 - [49] Originally by: elchief no one is more dissapointed in iac than us i think, especially me, after living in that alliance for 3 or 4 years. helping it grow from a fledgling group of 4 or 5 corps to one of the biggest ingame (ok not one of the best pvp wise but definately the funnest)Firma was part of iac from the very begging living outta a pos in g-7 for months. i had mixed feelings about taking iac space away from them but after seeing the member corp list i quickly changed my mind, /Hypocrite translation mode on: Ohh i had such a fine and snoozy time time in firma, and we we're so brave to stand up for ourself...bleh bleh bleh, and now i look at the iac member corps and i see only nubs.. (which i have a fricking hard time to destroy bringing all we got) Now where's firma now, dumbass??? wait till some real alliance is coming for you, and see how fast you join "that other team"
elchief Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.09.16 14:36:00 - [50] hahaha getting flamed by a noob alt? i led the fleets during prohibiton campaign i escorted the first outpost out to iac space firma left with dkod we merged into one corp "dumbass" to join aaa. come back when you have a clue what your talking about. also we had a hard time killing iac? theyve ran away.. thats why im dissapointed iac is a shell of what they used to be i can say that because i led the alliance i recruited a lot of the great corps that were in iac including DKOD. i worked my ass off in that alliance for years. what`ve you done except flame people ? love n kisses chief
Karim alRashid Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.16 15:00:00 - [51] Edited by: Karim alRashid on 16/09/2008 15:00:21 Originally by: elchief what`ve you done except flame people ? I'd guess he jumped ship. Nothing wrong with it, if only he didn't come here to embarrass us
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.09.16 15:16:00 - [52] Originally by: elchief hahaha getting flamed by a noob alt? i led the fleets during prohibiton campaign i escorted the first outpost out to iac space firma left with dkod we merged into one corp "dumbass" to join aaa. come back when you have a clue what your talking about. also we had a hard time killing iac? theyve ran away.. thats why im dissapointed iac is a shell of what they used to be i can say that because i led the alliance i recruited a lot of the great corps that were in iac including DKOD. i worked my ass off in that alliance for years. what`ve you done except flame people ? love n kisses chief If you're going to play the CAOD game you must ignore the alt trolls, or troll them (they normally bite since they're emoraging anyway). Even better, just agree with them, it whips them into a rabid frenzy. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Alaxen Caldari Eve Defence Force Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.16 15:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Rach NiKunni Well mate, I know that Goons turning red made you lose your favorite ratting spots but nothing that has transpired makes me think that Hachou did this on purpose. In fact, it wasn't Hachou that stuck his poker into Kraftwerk's hornet nest and get us reset. Eh. What? Did you not get the memo? "AAA killing IAC. I am 100% guilty in that. I said that before many times on TS. That's was me who insulted them in Russian forum so they came after us. I said them thruth and they became mad. This is not Eaiaden fault or someone else. 100% my mine. Since some of you have trouble with understandnig my emo-english-speach I just wrote this down here. Why I did that? I did that because I love IAC. And can't see it's became an alliance which is killling any participation in it. All who have will and plan to improve our alliance is getting burned and getting burned really fast. Just remember all our previous leaders. Where they all? Where is FC? You know the story better than me." - Hachou
JohnCrayton Gallente Wyverns of Dionysus Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.16 16:18:00 - [54] Situation update of the AAA invasion to IACLAND F4 and KDF stations are red today all quiet on the south eastern front of EVE few skirmishes all around I have killed some of our ships before the pos come out of reinforced in F4 and they dont caught and tortured by AAA . Rumor says that the AAA ts flamed out when theyr own titan destroyed 5 of theyr own ships costing them 1 billion at least , and they didnt post em on killboard , so who cares . Other rumor says that old IAC corps that joined AAA are doing very well theyr job , by intel warfare and why not sometimes pvping , because in the end iac corps arent much the pvper style ... Sincerely yours Lord of JZV
Giant Diablo Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.09.16 16:24:00 - [55] All IAC members fell free to join Tyrell if your hope havnt left your body allready. (Becouse we like you)
Mia Archer Amarr Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:28:00 - [56] Originally by: JohnCrayton Other rumor says that old IAC corps that joined AAA are doing very well theyr job , by intel warfare and why not sometimes pvping , because in the end iac corps arent much the pvper style ... Sincerely yours If your trying to say that DKOD and FIRMA arent pvp corps because they were in IAC then you sir may be the biggest idiot on CAOD ____________________________________________
Ariashley Caldari The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:30:00 - [57] Originally by: solosnake We left IAC and are now part of can of whoopass owning you. Good job guys on the whoopass. Shooting at POSs defended by 0-5 people and gate camping the two possible exits from the area must have been very rewarding. It seems like nearly everyone in IAC was able to leave, with their important assets, pretty much unopposed. Originally by: Easley Thames Still, my feeling (and this is shared by all the mavs) is that we had fun while we were a part of IAC. We regret that it went down in this fashion, but we don't really feel much hatred for anyone over it. No one could not have said this better than Easley.
Karim alRashid Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:34:00 - [58] Originally by: JohnCrayton Rumor says that the AAA ts flamed out when theyr own titan destroyed 5 of theyr own ships costing them 1 billion at least , and they didnt post em on killboard , so who cares . Less listening to rumours and more facts. They are posted.
hisgoatness Delusions 0f Grandeur G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:44:00 - [59] I blame the doril gate camps tbh. All that staring at the Sendaya gate has made you loopy.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.09.16 17:57:00 - [60] I don't understand the policy of booting corporations who are willing to stay and fight when things go bad. What about sending corporations who you deem are underperforming to the worst section of the front and give them a deadline? From the outside these cuts seems arbitrary from a single killboard assessment with no previous notice and chance given to redeem themselves. Yes I know scolding a corporation while still keeping it in the alliance may cause them to turn rogue but how can that be any worse than the booting of the willing? What is the typical procedure for evaluating corporations and their alliance status? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!

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