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Idara Caldari Failure Corp	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:02:00 - [1] New BS masses/inertias/base speeds from latest Sisi build Everyone else gets a huge reduction in masses. Abaddon and Ravens are now lighter than the Tempest (the lightest Minnie BS on Sisi). There are only three BS heavier than the Tempest, the Rokh, Scorp and Geddon, with the Typhoon and Maelstrom also being heavier. Yeah, they got more base speed than everyone else, but why in the hell did everyone else get a mass reduction while the minnies get a mass INCREASE?! Come. On. --- Failure Corp [FAILD] - Failing to fail first in EVE - Idara
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:03:00 - [2] You [FAILD] at posting. __________________________________________________________ Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Idara Caldari Failure Corp	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Last Wolf You [FAILD] at posting. INTELLIGENT POSTING++ --- Failure Corp [FAILD] - Failing to fail first in EVE - Idara
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:09:00 - [4] Wow... as if BS's weren't slow enough. 89 base speed? It'll take a full minute just to slowboat 5km away. I thought they wanted to remove the Mandatory in MWD... Now its more mandatory than ever to have SOME sort of speed mod. Unless they're WANTING everyone to Click > Approach > Tab OOG and read forums/watchtv > continue step 3 for 5-6 minutes > Tab back into game. If anything base speeds need to be INCREASED, not reduced :/ __________________________________________________________ Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:10:00 - [5] Sigh. I told people about this months ago and the only response I got was "Well they said they were fixing mass!" -Liang --
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:12:00 - [6] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 13/10/2008 19:13:47 Wtf? What did poor BS do to CCP? Also, mass murder of Minmatar BS masses? Seriously now. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Wannabehero Caldari Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:06:00 - [7] Edited by: Wannabehero on 13/10/2008 20:06:28 [/voice of awe and terror] Sweet gentle jesus... [/voice] -- Don't harsh my mellow
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Idara New BS masses/inertias/base speeds from latest Sisi build WHAT THE **? I fail to grasp the reason why the raven needs its mass shaved, while the typhoon needs some weight added AND less agility. also, why the speed decrease on the megathron? seriously, what. the. ? --- Quote:** The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:24:00 - [9] The Caldari Amarr agents have overtaken CCP! ----------------------
d'hofren Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:24:00 - [10] eh? These are place holders yes?

Space Fascist	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:25:00 - [11] But capless weapons. Also, you'll be able to walk in stations!
Idara Caldari Failure Corp	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:31:00 - [12] Originally by: d'hofren eh? These are place holders yes? That would only make sense if they left the Minnie stats as they are on TQ, intending to do them later. In actuality they took the time to go through and specifically add mass to the minmatar battleships while removing mass from every other BS in the game. --- Failure Corp [FAILD] - Failing to fail first in EVE - Idara
Arn Novelus Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:35:00 - [13] Its incredible, this whole "reworking of the nano-nerf" Did they honestly expect with just taking it away for a bit then having a live dev blog saying the same stuff and putting it all back on the same way that we'd not notice its just as messed up as the last time they suggested it?, and this from a pure caldari player...god knows what mim specced players are doing right now _____________________________________________________________________
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:44:00 - [14] Rofl, the snipe-oriented rokh gets a 15% mass reduction and minmatar BS actually go up in mass. I really don't get CCP sometimes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Idara New BS masses/inertias/base speeds from latest Sisi build Everyone else gets a huge reduction in masses. Abaddon and Ravens are now lighter than the Tempest (the lightest Minnie BS on Sisi). There are only three BS heavier than the Tempest, the Rokh, Scorp and Geddon, with the Typhoon and Maelstrom also being heavier. Yeah, they got more base speed than everyone else, but why in the hell did everyone else get a mass reduction while the minnies get a mass INCREASE?! Come. On. Well minmatar BS are over powered. (I read all about it here in 2006)
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:47:00 - [16] Edited by: Burn Mac on 13/10/2008 20:48:26 The worst changes within those are imo the following: Raven Mass: 110->99.3 (9.72 % Mass drop, why?) Rokh Mass: 120->105.3 (12.25 % Mass drop) Apoc Mass:107.5-97.1 (9.67 % Mass drop) Bot worst thing is all the BS:es that get the velocity cut big time is getting a mass drop to compensate (why? its like replacing a OD with a Nano) Except on Minne BS:es they get none just the shaft, seems like each balancing on the other races ships are getting compensated (slower top speed well you get better mass and/or inertia, ah your minmatar lets slow everything down)
d'hofren Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Arn Novelus Its incredible, this whole "reworking of the nano-nerf" Did they honestly expect with just taking it away for a bit then having a live dev blog saying the same stuff and putting it all back on the same way that we'd not notice its just as messed up as the last time they suggested it?, and this from a pure caldari player...god knows what mim specced players are doing right now Honestly? I'll tell you, most of us are settling down in amarr BS after noting how god awfuk the pest has been since alpha was made wortless by the hp boost and ecm was nerfed to the point it isn't worth fitting unless it is bolted to a ship with a related bonus. Then the mael arrived, the much trumpeted saviour of mini bs, which transpired to have an active tank, be too slow to fit ac's on and suffer the same arty issues as the pest. Mind you we had the phoon I suppose, a decent ship slightly sullied by the fact most other races could train into a carrier in the time it took us to use the thing with a pure TII fit. Then we got the target painter as our racial ewar, yep the only ewar system that does nothing to mitigate incoming damage.
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.13 20:50:00 - [18] Edited by: Corwain on 13/10/2008 20:50:07 One second you're ***ing that after the nano nerf BS with be the be all end all combat ship...the next second you're ***ing that your BS will be too slow to be any good in a fight. Make up your damn minds! -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
whisk Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:02:00 - [19] great... Adapt or Die
whisk Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:06:00 - [20] how about vindy and mach? Adapt or Die

P'uck	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:08:00 - [21] I told you back then. The wage slave that put the changes into the DB accidentially hit the "+" key on the numpad. You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:08:00 - [22] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/10/2008 21:10:11 Instead of crying like a crybaby, then try out the Minnie BS'es on sisi. I have tested the Tempest on those changes, and as far as i can see, it's working really nice. The Tempest is actually working better in some situations as it would do now on TQ for me. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:17:00 - [23] Nightmare I think we've all established that you have a really poor sense of judgment. You think things are "fine" if there's a 0.1% chance of you having parity with another ship/race.... You're dead wrong there, and you're dead wrong here. I will admit that the Pest makes out better than blaster ships... but they're just getting nerfed so hard they'll never see the light of day again. -Liang --
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:17:00 - [24] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/10/2008 21:10:11 Instead of crying like a crybaby, then try out the Minnie BS'es on sisi. I have tested the Tempest on those changes, and as far as i can see, it's working really nice. The Tempest is actually working better in some situations as it would do now on TQ for me. Because now you go too slow to overshoot? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Liang Nuren Nightmare I think we've all established that you have a really poor sense of judgment. You think things are "fine" if there's a 0.1% chance of you having parity with another ship/race.... You're dead wrong there, and you're dead wrong here. I will admit that the Pest makes out better than blaster ships... but they're just getting nerfed so hard they'll never see the light of day again. -Liang This is the ships i have been fighting in my Tempest on sisi with the speed and web nerf + the mass changes. 14 x Megathron. Won over 10. 7 x Raven. Won over 5. 5 x Armageddon. Won over 3. 2 x Apocalypse. Won over both. 1 x Rokh. Won over it. 4 x Maelstrom. Won over all 4. 2 x Dominix. Won over 1. 2 x Hyperion. Won over 1. And 65-70% of all those players i have been fighting on sisi have had Crystals or Slaves or other weapon implants on. And that's the reason i always use Slaves and other damage implants etc on sisi. Now tell me, is that a bad result to be done in a Tempest?. I would say NO. And don't come with that oooohhh most of them are probably newbs. No, most of them have been really experienced and old players. So yeah Liang, i think you have a point by the Blasters on sisi now. I had the Megathron Federate Issue on sisi when the same changes was on sisi earlier. And i know what your talking about. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:33:00 - [26] Excellent, now I can use autocannon's long range to my advantage! Nobody will be able to stop my 95m/s kite of death. 200 DPS or not, I think it's extremely overpowered. Those blasters won't even be able to hit me!
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:43:00 - [27] Forgot to say this to. Earlier on sisi today i was just having fun with a Sniper Tempest in FFA 1. Then a Huginn was like 70 km away from me. It was only me and him there then. Then i started to shoot him. Took him down to 25% shield before he was like 32 km from me where he was orbiting me at 2.2k m/s. Yes i did allow him to get that close and web me and orbit me at that speed. But the thing the Huginn pilot didn't know was that i did still hit him while he was orbiting me at that speed. Then 1 more volley and took him down to 3-5% shield, and then the Huginn pilot started to panic a little and tried to fly away from me, but then 1 more volley and boom, dead. I didn't even had the time to release my drones when he had come closer to me before he popped. So yeah, Sniper Tempest's are still pretty good. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:52:00 - [28] Originally by: NightmareX Forgot to say this to. Earlier on sisi today i was just having fun with a Sniper Tempest in FFA 1. Then a Huginn was like 70 km away from me. It was only me and him there then. Then i started to shoot him. Took him down to 25% shield before he was like 32 km from me where he was orbiting me at 2.2k m/s. Yes i did allow him to get that close and web me and orbit me at that speed. But the thing the Huginn pilot didn't know was that i did still hit him while he was orbiting me at that speed. Then 1 more volley and took him down to 3-5% shield, and then the Huginn pilot started to panic a little and tried to fly away from me, but then 1 more volley and boom, dead. I didn't even had the time to release my drones when he had come closer to me before he popped. My Tempest only had one Tracking Computer II as a module that gives more tracking. I had no Tracking Enhancers fitted in low slot, and no tracking implants. So yeah, Sniper Tempest's are still pretty good. Uhhhh, wait, you just told us that he ****ed up by the numbers and your conclusion is that the sniper pest is pretty good? -Liang --
whisk Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:54:00 - [29] Edited by: whisk on 13/10/2008 21:53:52 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/10/2008 21:48:29 Forgot to say this to. Earlier on sisi today i was just having fun with a Sniper Tempest in FFA 1. Then a Huginn was like 70 km away from me. It was only me and him there then. Then i started to shoot him. Took him down to 25% shield before he was like 32 km from me where he was orbiting me at 2.2k m/s. Yes i did allow him to get that close and web me and orbit me at that speed. But the thing the Huginn pilot didn't know was that i did still hit him while he was orbiting me at that speed. Then 1 more volley and took him down to 3-5% shield, and then the Huginn pilot started to panic a little and tried to fly away from me, but then 1 more volley and boom, dead. I didn't even had the time to release my drones when he had come closer to me before he popped. My Tempest only had one Tracking Computer II as a module that gives more tracking. I had no Tracking Enhancers fitted in low slot, and no tracking implants. So yeah, Sniper Tempest's are still pretty good. so, you kIlled some noob in huggin and suddenly tempest is good?;) Adapt or Die
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.13 21:55:00 - [30] No i told that the Sniper Tempest was still able to hit a Huginn that was orbiting me at 32km with a speed of 2.2k m/s. Check out my new flash web page 'Quantum Singularity'



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