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GalaticVoyag3r	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:39:00 - [331] Quote: Ghost Training was an unintended feature where unpaid accounts of EVE Online were able to continue training skills. While this allowed players to run multiple characters on a shoestring budget, in all effect, this was a bug. No, it isn't sweetheart. Find a better excuse.
Baron Houshay	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:40:00 - [332] Nice work ccp, -2 accounts here (they where rotated in and out to save a bit of cash while still shelling atleast 15 bucks a month out) lost that now though CCP. Good job on the lies too. Havnt played long, played other MMO's longer, eve was a refreshing breath of air, but I can get back to my other mmo's now. stuff given to friend in game, dont ask. Once again -2
Nefertria Amarriantis Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:41:00 - [333] CCP, I seriously pity the people who have made this decision. You have consistently demonstrated that you are unable to run your "business" effectively. There are only 2 possible scenarios.... 1 - This was indeed a loophole in which case you have demonstrated a completely useless ability to manage your game by letting a bug run for 5 years with no fix. 2 - This was intentional and was advertised as a game feature, like we see in your player guide - in which case your entire reasoning, blog and other replies have been a total fabrication to hide the fact you simply want more money. Taking into consideration all the above - the final straw is to give only 24 hours notice before the change with no consultation period, no active attempt to contact people who are ghost training informing of the change and the either reactive or lose training and finally to DO THIS AFTER AN INTENTIONAL ALT CREATING PROMOTION. -1 alt and seriously considering not keeping my main when it runs out - we shall see. P.S - You are a company unable to maintain a stable game that barely warrants being classed as out of beta...ridiculous. The day a half decent space based MMO hits the market Eve will fade - and that's a fact.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:41:00 - [334] Originally by: Baron Houshay rotated NC alt spotted. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
The Ubernomicon Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:41:00 - [335] I get the feeling this a knee-jerk reaction to the TC changes not working out for them.
Lord Melon KOVEN Industries	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:41:00 - [336] I would seriously have thought that while existing customers with inactive accounts have very little action that they can take However those with active accounts would be entitled to refunds, especially those that have just taken out the "power of two" - maybe another reason for the fluctuation in figures? Since they may well have done so based on the info that CCP posted as "fact" about how the game and how the subscription and game model operates - be it in features or not, nowhere in the EVE knowledgebase is this posted as a "unintended feature" Ive never seen this listed as a "known bug", issue, forthcoming fix etc - if it really did take soooo long to find a fix for this, then it either wasnt an issue, wasnt possible, or for some reason money-grabbing just got more important cos the banks have closed on your arse! -2 active & -3 inactive accounts
Una D Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:41:00 - [337] Wow thanks for that BS CCP. I'm sure you had to smoke some real stuff to be able to type up that shit without puking yourself. Way to go to prevent people from coming back to your own game. Why not just declare bankruptcy, steal all the cash and run for it? At least than you would admit that you are a bunch of thieves that do not have skill for leading a company. That would be at least honest unlike this BS that is bug after being a feature and selling point for 5 years. Wonder what happened to the CCP that actually listened to it's fan base and made good game (this crap with bug expansions every six months is free but god damn could you actually fix some bugs instead of removing features that people actually like and that bring you in money?). Hope you reconsider this BS but somehow I doubt that. Admitting that you are wrong demands something you guys don't even have in trace amounts.
Meha Mott Minmatar Carebear Research and Produktion Agency	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:41:00 - [338] There was a time, long ago, when Gamer developed games for gamer. For me it was a fine time, games like Elite, Ultima, The Bards Tale,later Dungeon Master, Diablo an a lot of other, here not named Games, made me Then the dark age started, when old money counting people started to take over the market It is not bad to make money with a product, but it is bad to see money as the most important aim in a computer game. So now i am 50 years old and i thought that CCP was one of the last companies left, where the "Money People" are not the most important people a the company. But from now on i think this little ABBA song will fit very well to CCP: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=o16uVon2NRQ Sorry for my bad English
Danny Centurai hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:41:00 - [339] CCP with 100% more failure cascade than Tri Mk 1 + M.Pire and YouWhat put together! Seriously this is the most sucky thing to happen since I started EVE.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:42:00 - [340] As I said in the other thread on this subject... 1.) You did this to yourselves CCP, by eliminating 30 GTC 2.) You have eliminated one of the biggest selling points in my ability to get you new players. Many a professional who has a family I know, was brought into eve hook line and sinker, because they didnt have to worry about their skilling if their RL blew up in their face. 3.) This nerf of yours of "Ghost Training" so misses the real problem of inactive accounts. Which is the accumilation of RP while an account is inactive. Datacore farming has become a huge business for many an inactive account. DISCLAIMER--- I pay for my one account with my CC. I have never "ghost trained". This "nerf" doesnt effect me at all, but I really think your killing off one of the great features that made eve stick out amongst the pack of other MMO's out there. Wrangler thanks for your reflavored bovine scatology, in this dev blog. While it was a different flavor than the news item from Fallout earlier today, it still leaves a bad taste. --

Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:42:00 - [341] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Malcanis This. They haven't raised the price in 5 years. Saying, OK, well shit happens, costs have gone up and we need an extra buck a month from you all to make stuff carry on working, then fine. I'd have just paid. Yeah, but right now they are making just the people with an army of accounts pay for it instead. Hey, better them then me. Uh Lyria sweety, in case you haven't noticed, they're not going to pay for it. They're not going to pay anything at all now. At least, mine aren't: CCP's income from me just dropped by about a third. So now you're going to get a $5 price rise instead of a $1.
Decimo DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:43:00 - [342] To say this isn't a change centered around greed is pretty much a huge lie. Passive skill building is just that, *passive*. It's impossible to argue that somehow players who have a subscription training a 35-day skill are somehow playing a more active role in training that skill than someone who is training it on an inactive subscription. The only difference between someone who has an active sub and trains long skills because of limited play time (such as myself at the moment) and someone training a long skill without a sub is the money going into CCP's pocket. Also, I think this will hinder the acquisition of said money rather than bolster it. Before my last break which I was forced to take due to family issues, I set BS V to train. I can honestly say that if it weren't for the enticement of trying out my new skill I can honestly say I wouldn't have come back to the game. I think the same can be said for many others as well.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:43:00 - [343] p.s. I love how the devblog comes from a Dev who hasnt posted on the forums since 2003. That explains the out of touchness that was exhibited by the handling of this matter. --
Arconite	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:43:00 - [344] Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: Mongo Loid Unintended? Bullshit: http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp It's listed as a feature in the original player's guide. I thought I would show an actual picture of the FEATURE they boasted of themselves for years: Skills Guide to EVE Online: By CCP - Note the underline. Priceless!
Magnus Amadeus Amarr Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:44:00 - [345] All I have to say is BOOOOOO _________________________________________________ Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you down with experience.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:44:00 - [346] Originally by: Shame on you CCP for betraying your player-base.
Sanadis Gallente Sphere Industries Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:44:00 - [347] Originally by: Kwa Kaine CCP just love shooting themselves in the foot it seems. I suppose it is good to see that they don't miss.
ttocszed00	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:45:00 - [348] wow soo much emo rage here lol
Deimus Gallente CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:45:00 - [349] This is utterly ridiculous. I'm also cancelling my subscription to Eve. Outright lying about the reason is even more ridiculous. Have a nice day CCP. Have fun with your increased performance due to less players in Eve. Show us your subscription numbers a month from now please. I'm curious on how the numbers are.
LuthienTinuviel The Vanyar	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:45:00 - [350] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 14/10/2008 00:33:50 Originally by: GO MaZ I think when your damage control posts get more angry trolling than the original thread you have to ask yourselves whether you're doing the right thing They should employ me as a damage control consultant, rather than, say.. Reasonable rates and I'll work from home, thanks. hehe awesome piccy... wonder if they really replaced Torfi with him CCP Atropos > sigh it's simple really when it becomes the de facto method for fighting it needs ot be nerfed simple as really - WTF? l

Master Spoonman FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:45:00 - [351] Well CCP, ** you too. I've heard you guys are even holding off on raises for your staff, too. How greedy can you guys get? How is your income even affected by the Icelandic market crash? You get paid in Euro/USD! At least be honest with the players about your greedy ways: you're just trying to force users to pay you extra money by turning this game "feature" into a "bug" and making them resubscribe when they normally would not. I suppose I'm wasting my time typing this as it's doubtful any of you care about what your subscribers say if it isn't putting money in your pocket. * Special thanks to Zurtur to making this signature for me
Daevien Steiner ZipZoom Kaboom Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:46:00 - [352] Just how many ways can you prove in one year that you have no idea about your game anymore & **** off your customers? Are you trying to beat Sony's record with NGE?
Vtreka Gallente eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:47:00 - [353] /me ROFL's at everyone who is ****ed off for expecting that they're characters should continue training if they haven't paid their account. I wonder how many of them are angry because they have tons of alt accounts which they only pay via buying GTC's ingame with ISK and hence not actually paying money for it in the first place.
Danny Centurai hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:47:00 - [354] Originally by: Daevien Steiner Just how many ways can you prove in one year that you have no idea about your game anymore & **** off your customers? Are you trying to beat Sony's record with NGE? ^ This! Only one issue 99% of player base will never get to read this thread and will only moan when they realise it dnt work!
aldruitanzaro Gallente Project Cyberia	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:47:00 - [355] god job ccp - 2 Accounts
Delos Korelian	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:48:00 - [356] Originally by: Jinx Barker ... ever since the "old" guard of the developers left active EVE online roles CCP customer service, CCP customer attunes, and general CCP attitude toward its player base has gone to shit. Aint that the truth
ttocszed00	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:48:00 - [357] any1 that is getting rid of isk / assets contract them to me i need cash
wide 55378008	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:48:00 - [358] Quote: Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database. Is it just me or is this argument completely lacking in logic?
Alex Salas BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:49:00 - [359] Originally by: Ivor Gunn No it wasn't. Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive owned! CCP Wrangler & CCP t0rfifrans rotating FTL!!
The Ubernomicon Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.14 00:49:00 - [360] We should get BoB, NC and GS together and see how many times in a row we can crash Jita. Or better yet, just fill Jita with AFK players and not allow anyone else to enter the system.



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... ever since the "old" guard of the developers left active EVE online roles CCP customer service, CCP customer attunes, and general CCP attitude toward its player base has gone to shit.