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Triksterism
Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Chryosparce Pathetic.
You can't use something as a selling point and then claim its been a bug all along and still expect to maintain any credibility.
I'm not bothered so much by the removal of ghost training (though it does suck) as I am by CCPs obvious lies.
Truthy McThruthenstein.
Agree 100%. This is my main gripe about what is going on. I only ghost trained once, maybe twice so it really isn't going to effect me too much. Though it was nice to know it was there, incase I wanted to stroll away from EvE for a bit.
Hell, I did the unthinkable. I set Minmatar Cruiser to train to 5 and I went and played a trial of WoW with some buddies. A great break (though WoW loses its charm very very quickly). I had something to come back to (Hooray Rapier and Sleipnir) ---------------------------------------
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Delos Harriman
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:33:00 -
[842]
Originally by: Triksterism Hell, I did the unthinkable. I set Minmatar Cruiser to train to 5 and I went and played a trial of WoW with some buddies. A great break (though WoW loses its charm very very quickly). I had something to come back to (Hooray Rapier and Sleipnir)
You bastard...so this is all your fault!
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Ava Baby
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:33:00 -
[843]
Edited by: Ava Baby on 14/10/2008 04:33:43 Like many people, I have more than one account. Yes I've used "ghost training" for a number of reasons. However, I do not relay on it.
1) I just don't have the money to re-up an account so I set a long skill until I do.
2) I'll be gone for extended periods of time. (ie travel)
3) See #1
It is a nice feature to have and I'm sad to see it go after so long.
But on page 27* does it really matter?
Originally by: Asestorian I support this message. Whatever it is.
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Markus Chen
Caldari Super Friends Club Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:34:00 -
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I decided not to read the other posts, I know mostly what they say. I don't know what has gotten into your money-greedy heads but all of this (taking away 30 day GTCs for isk and now this) stinks of a failing game. I should mention I only have one account so I truly do believe this reeks of failure and I'd rather leave now than spending anymore $$ on it. I don't believe for a SECOND that a feature you have provided for 5 years is a glitch, or an insurmountable problem. It seems most likely you are drooling over the prospect of a new MMO and pushing us to the wayside... from a customer service vantage point it would certainly seem that way. I guess have fun with your world of darkness game :|
Subscription canceled.
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Haldane Fisher
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Baby Edited by: Ava Baby on 14/10/2008 04:33:43 Like many people, I have more than one account. Yes I've used "ghost training" for a number of reasons. However, I do not relay on it.
1) I just don't have the money to re-up an account so I set a long skill until I do.
2) I'll be gone for extended periods of time. (ie travel)
3) See #1
It is a nice feature to have and I'm sad to see it go after so long.
But on page 27* does it really matter?
Not really I'm afraid.
The only way to really get something done about this is the do a mass unsubscribe. I very much doubt it would actually happen, but it ought to work. If people could convince their corps/alliances to take a break for a month...
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)." |
StealthGerbils
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:37:00 -
[846]
CCP NO ONE WILL MIND AT ALL IF YOU DECIDE TO KEEP GHOST TRAINING
Remember that!
Really, if you guys made an update that you changed your mind, there would be a huge party!
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Triksterism
Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:37:00 -
[847]
Originally by: Haldane Fisher
Originally by: Ava Baby Edited by: Ava Baby on 14/10/2008 04:33:43 Like many people, I have more than one account. Yes I've used "ghost training" for a number of reasons. However, I do not relay on it.
1) I just don't have the money to re-up an account so I set a long skill until I do.
2) I'll be gone for extended periods of time. (ie travel)
3) See #1
It is a nice feature to have and I'm sad to see it go after so long.
But on page 27* does it really matter?
Not really I'm afraid.
The only way to really get something done about this is the do a mass unsubscribe. I very much doubt it would actually happen, but it ought to work. If people could convince their corps/alliances to take a break for a month...
True, but like you said, good luck getting that in motion. -
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Zabaticus
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:38:00 -
[848]
It's a very simple and beautiful concept; No pay, no play, then no training. Let's hope they kill the other "Ghosts" with malice.
Zabaticus
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Haldane Fisher
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zabaticus It's a very simple and beautiful concept; No pay, no play, then no training. Let's hope they kill the other "Ghosts" with malice.
Zabaticus
Sounds like someone doesn't understand real-time xp gain.
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)." |
Tizoca
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Erimisha
Originally by: Annaphera
Originally by: Haldane Fisher Maybe the part were it was listed as feature and not a bug?
The player's guide just said that was what the game did. Where, exactly, was is listed as a feature?
OMG. This is singlehandedly the DUMBEST thing I've read today on the topic. What, pray tell, do you think a FEATURE is? Would a 'list of features' not be a "list of things that the game did"?
*snort* My copy of Windows XP occasionally commits an error and tosses up a "blue screen of death", wiping out everything I was working on. The manual mentions the blue screen, and the fact that unsaved work will be lost. Does that make losing your work a "feature", as it is on the list of things the software does? Internet Explorer has loopholes that allow unscrupulous people to hijack my computer; several help files mention this. Are the security loopholes a "feature"? Can you come up with a criticism that doesn't depend on being literal to the point of idiocy?
Further, the exact phrase people were tossing around was "advertised as a feature". Does just being buried in the online players guide make something "advertised"?
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Morena Maganda
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:40:00 -
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Edited by: Morena Maganda on 14/10/2008 04:44:26
Originally by: Markus Chen It seems most likely you are drooling over the prospect of a new MMO and pushing us to the wayside... from a customer service vantage point it would certainly seem that way. I guess have fun with your world of darkness game :|
Crap...that's exactly what EA games did to the players of Earth and Beyond.
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Zinnn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:40:00 -
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mass unsubscribe means most people who do it honestly and truthfully won't come back.... I know I wouldn't. Hell, if I don't want to come back, I'd sell all my posessions and sell the character on ebay - who cares right? I mean really, if you don't play, why play by the rules? ... Welcome to the wide world of isk and character bonanza! lol... Seriously the forum died down but it'll pick up again soon enough anyway... The forum lock at 49 pages for the other thread shows clearly that this is just a spillover thread, making it harder for people to find this thread and discuss it... it's just another tactic for damage control.. Anyway, if you guys want, pay attention to this site again, and support it. Maybe it will help others.
http://digg.com/pc_games/EvE_Online_is_all_about_money
It may not be true, but negative publicity hurts the most.
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Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:40:00 -
[853]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
That's pretty weak, even for a sycophant
Right, like just calling me names is such a powerful argument.
You are an idiotic fanboi. Shut up until you're ready to reveal who you actually are. I don't care whether you're in my corp, alliance, the GBC or whether you're a Goon, in MM, RZR or are a CCP employee. When you can stop being childish and hiding behind some year old NPC character come back and post. Farjung is my God
You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link. |
Exxonett
Caldari Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:40:00 -
[854]
I have the solution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As per the laws and regulations of the u.s. any and all false advertisements are subject to fines imprisonment and or lawsuit. You come after my wallet I come after yours. This is not a threat it is a promise. A foreign country based corporation selling their product in this country does fall under this topic. http://www.midnightsquadron.com/msbb/uploads/post-23-1152919992_thumb.jpg Sig Linked. Please resize your sig to within the 400*120 Pixel size limit, and enjoy some egg nog while you're at it. -ReverendM ([email protected]) |
Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:42:00 -
[855]
Originally by: Morena Maganda
Crap...that's exactly what EA games did to the players of Earth Above and Beyond.
And what happened to Earth Above and Beyond? Farjung is my God
You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link. |
Mad Ilya
Erasers inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:42:00 -
[856]
So you blow GTC prices through the roof and wonder why some extra accounts are being held off for a while. Then react with this bs.
I had more accounts than were active at any given moment but it gave me variety to the game and allowed me to create more specialized characters as I didn't need to "pay and wait" those long battleship skills. After inactive period, having finished the skill, my chars were always active. I won't be bothering anymore. I'll never train, say, Carrier 5 to any character I'll have with this. It saves me money, thanks i guess!
Yet another never heard of dev? That seems to be the trend, bring new guys to renew everything in this game. Rather bring the old ones back in charge.
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Erimisha
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:42:00 -
[857]
Originally by: Haldane Fisher
The only way to really get something done about this is the do a mass unsubscribe. I very much doubt it would actually happen, but it ought to work. If people could convince their corps/alliances to take a break for a month...
It is very easy to do. You still get to play until your sub runs out. However, CCP doesn't really *KNOW* if you're going to come back and resub after your account expires. I've seen mass unsubscribes work out very well in other MMOs once people understood that you aren't locked out of the MMO the very second you hit [Unsubscribe] on your account page.
I had 1 account in limbo already and already cancelled my 2 active accounts. *IF* CCP makes changes I can live with then I will simply resub when the 2 accounts expire. However CCP handles this fiasco will have to coincide with CCP bringing back 30 and 90 day GTCs to help keep 60d GTCs in check. If they (somehow) handle the whole "Ghost Training" herring better in the next day or so but not reinstate different GTCs then I'll have to think long and hard about moving all my 'main' character to 1 account. CCP will lose either way. How much they lose is up to them.
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Alexander Ronay
Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:42:00 -
[858]
This is utterly ridiculous. First of all, as well worded as the dev blog was, it was total bull****. Quote: There's no surprise that people have done this for the simple fact that it wasn't banned per se and also for the fact that it was possible.
Wasn't banned per se?!?! It was lauded as one of the unique features of the game!
From your own official players guide:
Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). As a result, it is a good idea to train short skills while you are playing and longer ones when you log off.
Now you're going to try to pass it off as a bug?!
Don't you DARE try to tell us what is and isn't unfair to other players after spouting utter trash like that.
I took a fairly long hiatus from the game (at least it was to me) And knowing that when I came back, I would have a nice long skill out of the way encouraged me to come back. Without that extra incentive, I may not have come back at all.
And you want to talk about FAIR? What about other players, like me, who took a long vacation from the game? They reactivate their account, only to find that CCP has misled them, and screwed them over. What about people who opened a second account? Times got a little rough, so they unsubscribe one of the accounts, and let it train until they can afford to resubscribe. Then when they decide to reactivate the second account, oh hey, CCP decided to enforce its definition of "fair" on everyone else.
Quote: Does that mean that CCP is a greedy money chewing monster that just loves nerfing things? Of course not.
I beg to differ.
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Loki Faulk
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:44:00 -
[859]
CCP: "Its just a bug guys, honest."
This has been shown by several people before, but just to show the refutation, again:
http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
From the "How to Train Skills" section, third paragraph from the bottom:
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). As a result, it is a good idea to train short skills while you are playing and longer ones when you log off. If you want to switch skills, you can simply do so by starting another skill training. The points gained on the previous skill will not be lost, but you don't benefit from the training until the level is fully completed. The highest level for any skill is Level 5, but some skills also have an advanced version. Some of those advanced skills influence the same area as the basic version, others only a related area.
So, what we have is a SELLING POINT of the game, and THEN we have an explanation of how to make use of this FEATURE. In the PLAYERS MANUAL, written by you.
WTF?
1) Bring back 30 and 90 day timecards and make them the same price as the cash/cc subscriptions of the same time allotments.
2) Leave out the speed nerf.
3) Leave the unsubbed skill training FEATURE as it is.
4) Stop changing the game in stupid stupid ways that **** off the player base. Stop letting the accountants decide what is good for the game. Spend your development money on making the game better, get your sales people and accountants AWAY from development and back to doing what they know how to do.
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Exxonett
Caldari Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:45:00 -
[860]
I have the solution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As per the laws and regulations of the u.s. any and all false advertisements are subject to fines imprisonment and or lawsuit. You come after my wallet I come after yours. This is not a threat it is a promise. A foreign country based corporation selling their product in this country does fall under this topic.
so good it was worth the double post. http://www.midnightsquadron.com/msbb/uploads/post-23-1152919992_thumb.jpg Sig Linked. Please resize your sig to within the 400*120 Pixel size limit, and enjoy some egg nog while you're at it. -ReverendM ([email protected]) |
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INF Wonderwoman
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:45:00 -
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Edited by: INF Wonderwoman on 14/10/2008 04:46:39
Originally by: Zabaticus It's a very simple and beautiful concept; No pay, no play, then no training. Let's hope they kill the other "Ghosts" with malice.
Zabaticus
I wonder how long people who are against this have been playing. I'm sorry but if you have only been playing for a year or less you have no idea. When you hit 3 to 4 years and get to the FEW very long skills (carrier 5, capitol 5, ....) you would have loved being able to take advantage of this. To pay 30 USD just to get carrier 5.... its stupid.
PS. Yes this is an alt, because my main is "Ghost Training" carrier 5 right now, lucky for me I only have 9 days left. Had I not gotten this skill I would not be coming back.
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Oftherocks
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:46:00 -
[862]
I honestly feel sorry for the development team, because this decision clearly shows the finance department is making game design decisions, and that can only lead to a poorly designed game. A sad day
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SkwisgaarSkwigelf
C.R.M Productions
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:46:00 -
[863]
Originally by: Alexander Ronay
I took a fairly long hiatus from the game (at least it was to me) And knowing that when I came back, I would have a nice long skill out of the way encouraged me to come back. Without that extra incentive, I may not have come back at all.
this
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EvilSyKOSkitzo
Durus Scelus
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:47:00 -
[864]
WTF,
I seriously wonder if you #$%^%^& numpties have thought this through.
Ok, fine, people are training skills on inactive accounts. Have you considered that they have to resubscribe somehow to change those skills? Making you money in the process? Whether its by GTC, VISA or whatever?
How many resources do inactive accounts really take? If you don't want to do real time checking of skills or whatever.
Couldn't you have implemented a new "feature/bug" where:
Upon reactivation of an account. The system checks to see how long the accounts been inactive. If it has been inactive long enough. The system finishes the skill. There by making you money and keeping a person happy!
I personally have 3 accounts (4 originally). I have been running those accounts non stop for the last 5 years or more. Recently I have moved and I' am still settling in. Since I don't have the time to manage my skills and because you #$%^#$% don't believe in a queue system. I was going to set a long skill training until I could play again.
Fk that!
Seriously, I haven't been impressed with you guys for months. Nerf after nerf, stupid decision after $#@%^%^ stupid decision and now lying about a "bug" thats been around for how long?
Once upon a time, you guys actually thought outside the square but now your just another "company" that needs to make a "profit".
Originally by: FalconBayerskt "We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it."
Yeah good one. We understand enough to know how full of bs that dev blog was.
- Evil
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Joskken Inx
PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:48:00 -
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I just purchased a Power of Two. More like a Power of One now. It's been said, and again I'm going to say it. You have, not had, but have this listed in several places as a feature. A part of the game. It takes money to make an account, it takes money to use the account. You drop this less than two days before it goes into effect, with some whitewash about it being a bug. No, it is not. It's one shining thing that keeps anyone coming back to Eve when real life calls. And you don't find yourself behind (you certainly don't find yourself ahead) and, using this feature, you can stay on par with your peers-at least in a pure skill point sense. Nothing is said about market orders from said "ghost" accounts. Research points, buy orders, sell orders, nothing. You have a broken game that cannot play fleet wars the way they sadly have to be these days. Titans are used the way motherships were several months ago, which only means in the coming months more and more and more will be on the same playfield. Which means bring a blob. Which means lag. Which means crashes. I had hoped that, my own alliance failure aside, a break from Eve would help me find what is good about Eve and I could come back in time and do my best to pick up where I left off. You guys never did the "nano nerf". You never fixed the COSMOS multi-trillion ISK farming bug. It honestly appears you guys are happy with the way things are, and actually want to cut down on active player numbers.
Hey, that works. I'm done on the 22nd, and since there won't be anything worth coming back to at all, period, I think I'm just plain done with wasting my time on this or any MMO.
Oh and go **** yourselves you dumbasses. There, I said it.
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Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:48:00 -
[866]
Edited by: Liranan on 14/10/2008 04:50:13
Originally by: Erimisha
Originally by: Haldane Fisher
The only way to really get something done about this is the do a mass unsubscribe. I very much doubt it would actually happen, but it ought to work. If people could convince their corps/alliances to take a break for a month...
It is very easy to do. You still get to play until your sub runs out. However, CCP doesn't really *KNOW* if you're going to come back and resub after your account expires. I've seen mass unsubscribes work out very well in other MMOs once people understood that you aren't locked out of the MMO the very second you hit [Unsubscribe] on your account page.
I had 1 account in limbo already and already cancelled my 2 active accounts. *IF* CCP makes changes I can live with then I will simply resub when the 2 accounts expire. However CCP handles this fiasco will have to coincide with CCP bringing back 30 and 90 day GTCs to help keep 60d GTCs in check. If they (somehow) handle the whole "Ghost Training" herring better in the next day or so but not reinstate different GTCs then I'll have to think long and hard about moving all my 'main' character to 1 account. CCP will lose either way. How much they lose is up to them.
Look at this. Star Wars, Asherons Call, Age Of Conan, Sims Online, need I go on? People will unsubscribe if they see they are being screwed. I don't want to see CCP go bankrupt because then EVE will come to an end but, for **** sake, CCP ****ing pack it in. Lag, node crashes, unwanted expansions that add nothing but bugs to this. ****ing fix the game!!! Farjung is my God
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MetBuyer
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: MetBuyer on 14/10/2008 04:51:31 This thread is so long that I don't even think that my comment will be read by CCP. But here goes anyway.
I think from a making money perspective CCP hasn't done enough research on the habits of their customers.
The training on unsubscribed accounts has likely been increasing, but how many of those accounts are the 3rd or 4th account of one of their existing customers.
In the last year there's been a significant upshoot in subscriptions. I have a feeling it's partly due to the community getting the impression that running multiple accounts is normal and needed.
The main account will probably stay subscribed the whole time, but the 3rd or 4th account probably trains skills while unsubscribed. People's computers often can't easily run 4 accounts at the same time. They're getting these extra accounts mainly for the skill training.
Most likely many people will cut back on the accounts they have and newer players will decide not to get that 3rd or 4th account.
I guess also the increased amount of training while the account unsubscribed can also be attributed partly to the GTC prices and the real world economy.
I've read many threads about people putting their accounts into deactive training because of the GTC ISK prices that they cannot afford anymore.
The people suffering economically probably are just unsubscribing and putting on long skills because they hope to start playing again when they have more money. |
ALTno6
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:50:00 -
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i like not having to have active account to train that long 60 day skills so after patch I will be giving away all my stuff. so send me ur ISk. whoever sends me the most, will get my stuff and ur isk back. when u get my stuff. so send me isk nowwwwwww
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Haldane Fisher
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:51:00 -
[869]
A more fun thing to do would be to hold a continuous mass suicide at the concord hq in game. Let the bodies pile up.
And yes it did work for Conan apparently.
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Annaphera
Minmatar Super Green Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:51:00 -
[870]
Originally by: Exxonett I have the solution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As per the laws and regulations of the u.s. any and all false advertisements are subject to fines imprisonment and or lawsuit. You come after my wallet I come after yours. This is not a threat it is a promise. A foreign country based corporation selling their product in this country does fall under this topic.
so good it was worth the double post.
And you will prove that CCP's right to change the game doesn't cover one little line at the bottom of one section of the players guide how, exactly? You'll have to find it used as a selling point in one of their ads, as in something actually used to sell the game, not in the manual. Why do you think most companies are so careful what they promise in ads?
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