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kill0rbunny Caldari Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.17 12:54:00 - [151] Edited by: kill0rbunny on 17/11/2008 12:56:18 Originally by: Sileam Lets imagine that a small gang of SBs is trying to kill a BS. How many of them will get killed in the process? 3? 4? Maybe even 5. None. Unless they are complete morons and forget to bring a falcon/arazu. A gang with only one shiptype is useless in most cases. That is what eve is about. Go places. Kill people.
Terra Mikael Private Nuisance	Posted - 2008.11.17 12:59:00 - [152] I'm sorry, Murina, I really don't want to get in another long and drawn out argument with you, but here goes... When discussing the new ship hiarchy of eve, you have argued that CCP have a new, very specific vision for eve combat. They want each class of ship to do equal damage to their respective classes, with less penalty for attacking larger ships. Meanwhile, larger ships should have more support to deal with the smaller ships, because, as you said: Originally by: Murina your uber alpha frig no longer has a weak tank against solo BS And this is true to an extent. But here's the problem: apparently, some ships can completely negate this hierarchy. Imagine, for instance, a capital ship doing damage to all ship types - I'm sure this would be incompatible with this new vision of eve. And i'm sure you would agree. After all, although the bomber did do damage to all hulls pre-patch, it is still a frigate. Putting aside weapon systems for the moment, isn't a much larger breach of this vision when a capital ship which can do damage to all types of ships and do it extremely well? Yet, apparently this is okay (or maybe not, or maybe hubris, you decide): Originally by: Murina Try my warrior II's in my moros bud with its bonuses they would melt a cruiser let alone a frig. True, you are using smaller weapons, but why should a capital ship have bonuses that allow it to "melt" smaller ships? yet the Stealth Bomber's bonuses which allow a frigate to do the same that's been causing such outrage from you. So your insta-aggro melting sessions are okay, but the bomber's isn't? Originally by: Murina BS weapons should only do real dmg to BS now go away. I agree. And the same standards should be given to ship bonuses so that they are not one card to trump them all. And if you're a reasonable person, and not just trolling, you'll undoubtedly agree that by the standards you've laid down, that's the way it should be. For the record, though, I love the Moros, and it's my dream to fly one of those ships someday, so I wince just bringing this up. ________________________________ Originally by: Korovyov You WIN! And by win, I mean suck horse manure.
Vigaz	Posted - 2008.11.17 13:32:00 - [153] Edited by: Vigaz on 17/11/2008 13:32:35 Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 17/11/2008 12:16:30 Originally by: Vigaz Originally by: Murina Originally by: Tac Ginaz The damage is high enough with bonuses designed to allow citadel to apply full damage vs BS sized target but not too high to be insta-pop or insta-cripple a target. For that you need a couple more SB's working together. So you want a frig that can decloak with a buddy or two and insta pop a BS by using boosted/bonused dread missiles?. How about no?. ATM 30-40 SBs can istant pop a BS. Only 3 SBs is too much I agree. But there isnt a doubt that they need a buff asap. How many of the other frig types does it take to 1 volley insta pop the same BS?, and how many of them can move faster cloaked than uncloaked while also having 0 targeting penalties for using a cloak?. A 30 Taranis gang can destroy a BS in 2-4 sec. 30 SBs need only 1 volley but it's not istant dmg, so probably SBs need more than 4 secs. The same can happen with 30 AFs and other 30 frigs. There is not a valid reason to fly SB over AF/ceptor/EF and bigger. Only T1 frigs are worst, but not all (griffin is better than a SB imo).
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.17 15:14:00 - [154] Originally by: Vigaz A 30 Taranis gang can destroy a BS in 2-4 sec. 30 SBs need only 1 volley but it's not istant dmg, so probably SBs need more than 4 secs. The same can happen with 30 AFs and other 30 frigs. That is just a characteristic of missile design it has nothing to do with ship classes. Also you have the cloak and the ships bonuses to it (like no locking delay to offset) the fact that the dmg is not instant. Originally by: Vigaz There is not a valid reason to fly SB over AF/ceptor/EF and bigger. Only T1 frigs are worst, but not all (griffin is better than a SB imo). Summat's gotta be at the bottom of the pile pal, if there was a valid reason to fly a bomber over all those other ships all we would see are threads with ppl bleating on about AF's being underpowered and their being no reason to fly them over a bomber.....ect ect. You have got bombs use them as a corp/alliance anti blob weapon by laying patterns, you have the bonuses to using a cloak use it to get the drop on the ships you wanna kill.
Vigaz	Posted - 2008.11.17 15:27:00 - [155] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Vigaz A 30 Taranis gang can destroy a BS in 2-4 sec. 30 SBs need only 1 volley but it's not istant dmg, so probably SBs need more than 4 secs. The same can happen with 30 AFs and other 30 frigs. That is just a characteristic of missile design it has nothing to do with ship classes. Also you have the cloak and the ships bonuses to it (like no locking delay to offset) the fact that the dmg is not instant. Originally by: Vigaz There is not a valid reason to fly SB over AF/ceptor/EF and bigger. Only T1 frigs are worst, but not all (griffin is better than a SB imo). Summat's gotta be at the bottom of the pile pal, if there was a valid reason to fly a bomber over all those other ships all we would see are threads with ppl bleating on about AF's being underpowered and their being no reason to fly them over a bomber.....ect ect. You have got bombs use them as a corp/alliance anti blob weapon by laying patterns, you have the bonuses to using a cloak use it to get the drop on the ships you wanna kill. So at the end we are both agree about the fact there isnt a valid reason to fly a bomber over any other ship. That's cool.
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.17 15:31:00 - [156] Originally by: Vigaz Originally by: Murina Originally by: Vigaz A 30 Taranis gang can destroy a BS in 2-4 sec. 30 SBs need only 1 volley but it's not istant dmg, so probably SBs need more than 4 secs. The same can happen with 30 AFs and other 30 frigs. That is just a characteristic of missile design it has nothing to do with ship classes. Also you have the cloak and the ships bonuses to it (like no locking delay to offset) the fact that the dmg is not instant. Originally by: Vigaz There is not a valid reason to fly SB over AF/ceptor/EF and bigger. Only T1 frigs are worst, but not all (griffin is better than a SB imo). Summat's gotta be at the bottom of the pile pal, if there was a valid reason to fly a bomber over all those other ships all we would see are threads with ppl bleating on about AF's being underpowered and their being no reason to fly them over a bomber.....ect ect. You have got bombs use them as a corp/alliance anti blob weapon by laying patterns, you have the bonuses to using a cloak use it to get the drop on the ships you wanna kill. So at the end we are both agree about the fact there isnt a valid reason to fly a bomber over any other ship. That's cool. Your reading must be as bad as your pvp knowledge then.
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.11.17 16:42:00 - [157] Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 17/11/2008 15:20:16 Originally by: Vigaz A 30 Taranis gang can destroy a BS in 2-4 sec. 30 SBs need only 1 volley but it's not istant dmg, so probably SBs need more than 4 secs. The same can happen with 30 AFs and other 30 frigs. That is just a characteristic of missile design it has nothing to do with ship classes. Also you have the cloak and the ships bonuses to it (like no locking delay) to offset the fact that the dmg is not instant. Originally by: Vigaz There is not a valid reason to fly SB over AF/ceptor/EF and bigger. Only T1 frigs are worst, but not all (griffin is better than a SB imo). Summat's gotta be at the bottom of the pile pal, if there was a valid reason to fly a bomber over all those other ships all we would see are threads with ppl bleating on about AF's/ceptors/EF's being underpowered (or bombers being overpowered) and their being no reason to fly them over a bomber.....ect ect. You have got bombs use them as a corp/alliance anti blob weapons by laying patterns around gates, you have the bonuses to using a cloak use it to get the drop on the ships you wanna kill. You cannot have all those bonused aspects and also want to have a virtually perfect dmg bonus for a certain type (any type large or small it does not matter) of ship class its just ridiculous. oh god ... this is some t3 trolling ... seriously ... before patch, you had no issue with bombers ? because I did not spot your "nerf bomber" threads pre QR ... now suddenly people want just the same level of effectivenes on a ship that has a very limited role and usage, yet you start to troll like mad. all your arguments are based on very flawed examples: 1. ANY ship can hit ANY class of ship. it's not always for significant damage, but a Moros can use light drones (BONUSED ONES), a carreier can use light drones, BS too ... 2. given enough numbers, any ship can one-shot any other ship 3. non-covops cloak is very limited, try it yourself 4. bombs are next to useless. you spend 1 15M bomb to get your 40m bomber blown up ... are you serious that this should be the case for ships in general ? get real ... you have no clue about bombers other than you read on forums and tried in EFT. seriously try to fly one and get some kills either solo or in small gangs ... you could entertain us with a bomb killmail f.e. to show your expertise ...
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.17 17:02:00 - [158] Edited by: Murina on 17/11/2008 17:04:43 Originally by: Hugh Ruka 1. ANY ship can hit ANY class of ship. it's not always for significant damage, but a Moros can use light drones (BONUSED ONES), a carrier can use light drones, BS too ... So?, i have no problem with it hitting ANY ship i do however have issue with 2 or 3 SB 1 volleying a BS as some ppl have been asking for. Originally by: Hugh Ruka 2. given enough numbers, any ship can one-shot any other ship And yet ppl want the SB to be THE alpha ship in the game, a frig with fast lock time, bonus to cloaking AND a monster alpha?. Originally by: Hugh Ruka 3. non-covops cloak is very limited, try it yourself So now you want a frig with fast lock time, bonus to cloaking, monster alpha and a cov ops cloak?. Are you listening to yourself? Originally by: Hugh Ruka 4. bombs are next to useless. you spend 1 15M bomb to get your 40m bomber blown up ... are you serious that this should be the case for ships in general ? If you wanna fit out your ship so its worth 40 mil for a bombing operation that is your choice, but used in patterns around the "in gate" to a system against a blob of invaders you may find it useful. Originally by: Hugh Ruka seriously try to fly one and get some kills either solo or in small gangs ... you could entertain us with a bomb killmail f.e. to show your expertise ... Frig and frig gangs are naturally weak, the SB should not be the exception just because you wanna I-WIN missile frig to play with. POST NERF PVP SKILLS: "shall we engage?" "hmmm how many ships do they have?" "more than us" "lets not bother then" "WOW great job FC!!!!" ".................
DNSBLACK Gallente Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates	Posted - 2008.11.17 17:34:00 - [159] Sorry but honestly you guys need to please just stop typing. I hope the dev who reads this post would ask those who use bombers everyday for info on what we would like to see done. I would like a few changes the biggest 2 would be these. 1. Let us fit the bomb launcher along with the 3 cruise missle launchers. Yes we use bombs and yes the are very useful. Thank you CCP for making the cheaper. The siege launchers would be intresting also. 2. A little bit faster rate of fire 1-2 sec. The cov cloak would be nice but soon will not be needed once local is removed. If you like to learn how to use the stealth bomber please send me a mail and we will take you out on one of our ops. My qualification are listed below. www.dirtnapsquad.net http://killboard.dirtnapsquad.net/ http://killboard.dirtnapsquad.net/?a=campaigns&view=past (I dont know how to create links sorry copy and paste them)
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.11.17 20:21:00 - [160] Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 17/11/2008 17:04:43 Originally by: Hugh Ruka 1. ANY ship can hit ANY class of ship. it's not always for significant damage, but a Moros can use light drones (BONUSED ONES), a carrier can use light drones, BS too ... So?, i have no problem with it hitting ANY ship i do however have issue with 2 or 3 SB 1 volleying a BS as some ppl have been asking for. Originally by: Hugh Ruka 2. given enough numbers, any ship can one-shot any other ship And yet ppl want the SB to be THE alpha ship in the game, a frig with fast lock time, bonus to cloaking AND a monster alpha?. Originally by: Hugh Ruka 3. non-covops cloak is very limited, try it yourself So now you want a frig with fast lock time, bonus to cloaking, monster alpha and a cov ops cloak?. Are you listening to yourself? Originally by: Hugh Ruka 4. bombs are next to useless. you spend 1 15M bomb to get your 40m bomber blown up ... are you serious that this should be the case for ships in general ? If you wanna fit out your ship so its worth 40 mil for a bombing operation that is your choice, but used in patterns around the "in gate" to a system against a blob of invaders you may find it useful. Originally by: Hugh Ruka seriously try to fly one and get some kills either solo or in small gangs ... you could entertain us with a bomb killmail f.e. to show your expertise ... Frig and frig gangs are naturally weak, the SB should not be the exception just because you wanna I-WIN missile frig to play with. OMG are you a moron ... I never said I want the bomber to have covops cloak ... READ for once what is written and NOT what YOU imagine to be. I just pointed out that non-covops cloak is a limitation imposed on the bombers. THAT'S A FACT !!! I never said I want to change that. 2-3 SB 1 volley a BS !!! ARE YOU NUTS ??? The average BS has about 30k EHP to one damage type. UNTANKED !!! a bomber atm does 2.7k damage with top gear and skills. 2-3 bombers that's at most 8k damage ... that's not enouogh to strip the shield of a BS. Given that the idiotic suggestion of one unnamed Dev should be implemented, the bomber will have more alpha but much lower range and MUCH longer time to kill (torps are way slower than cruise missiles). That's actualy another NERF to the bombers. And after all your strong talk you bail out with an excuse that frig gangs are naturaly weak so you won't present us with your bomber killmails ... nice one. So if they are so weak, why are you so afraid ?

Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.11.17 20:25:00 - [161] Originally by: DNSBLACK Sorry but honestly you guys need to please just stop typing. I hope the dev who reads this post would ask those who use bombers everyday for info on what we would like to see done. I would like a few changes the biggest 2 would be these. 1. Let us fit the bomb launcher along with the 3 cruise missle launchers. Yes we use bombs and yes the are very useful. Thank you CCP for making the cheaper. The siege launchers would be intresting also. 2. A little bit faster rate of fire 1-2 sec. The cov cloak would be nice but soon will not be needed once local is removed. If you like to learn how to use the stealth bomber please send me a mail and we will take you out on one of our ops. My qualification are listed below. www.dirtnapsquad.net http://killboard.dirtnapsquad.net/ http://killboard.dirtnapsquad.net/?a=campaigns&view=past (I dont know how to create links sorry copy and paste them) ah somebody with a clue ... the only issue with the non-covops cloak is that you cannot cloak once locked. if the bomber got a special bonus to cloak even if locked, it would be a welcome addition I think. the recloak time becomes a liability there ... you either warp out or avoid lock until you can cloak again ... now destroyers could be worth something again ... bombs need a serious rework ... as a proof of concept they are quite nice ... but they are just that ... not very usefull right now as they are difficult to deploy and manage (and expensive).
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.17 20:39:00 - [162] Edited by: Murina on 17/11/2008 20:42:08 Originally by: Hugh Ruka 2-3 SB 1 volley a BS !!! ARE YOU NUTS ??? The average BS has about 30k EHP to one damage type. UNTANKED !!! a bomber atm does 2.7k damage with top gear and skills. 2-3 bombers that's at most 8k damage ... that's not enouogh to strip the shield of a BS. Ok tard, for somebody who says i need to read your drivel you should try reading mine as i was replying to this little gem:- Originally by: Tac Ginaz The damage is high enough with bonuses designed to allow citadel to apply full damage vs BS sized target but not too high to be insta-pop or insta-cripple a target. For that you need a couple more SB's working together. GET IT?. Originally by: Hugh Ruka And after all your strong talk you bail out with an excuse that frig gangs are naturaly weak so you won't present us with your bomber killmails ... nice one. So if they are so weak, why are you so afraid ? I aint afraid but all i see on this thread are ppl wanting a frig the can:- 1. With a couple of buddies 1 volley a BS (post by Tac Ginaz). 2. Use a cov-ops cloak. 3. Cloak while locked (the post above this one by hugh ruka). Now personally i think that is a little overpowered for a frig tbh.
Munio Veritas Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.11.17 20:56:00 - [163] I, for one, am all for the addition of a covert ops cloak to the SB. The lack of one is the major drawback to the class at the moment, as, if you do not have off-grid bookmarks, which are not always accessible, it's like putting up a huge sign, "LOOK, A SHIP IS HERE. IT COULD KILL YOU." Your prey then warps off. I think being able to lock while cloaked is irrelevant, as you will most likely have at least two sensor boosters fit, with probably at least one with a scan rez script, so locking time is quite fast. Additionally, since you can only cloak while your missiles are at least 40km (I think?) from the target and still have them do damage, being able to lock while cloak is nice, but not needed.
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.11.17 20:59:00 - [164] Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 17/11/2008 20:42:08 Originally by: Hugh Ruka 2-3 SB 1 volley a BS !!! ARE YOU NUTS ??? The average BS has about 30k EHP to one damage type. UNTANKED !!! a bomber atm does 2.7k damage with top gear and skills. 2-3 bombers that's at most 8k damage ... that's not enouogh to strip the shield of a BS. Ok tard, for somebody who says i need to read your drivel you should try reading mine as i was replying to this little gem:- Originally by: Tac Ginaz The damage is high enough with bonuses designed to allow citadel to apply full damage vs BS sized target but not too high to be insta-pop or insta-cripple a target. For that you need a couple more SB's working together. GET IT?. Originally by: Hugh Ruka And after all your strong talk you bail out with an excuse that frig gangs are naturaly weak so you won't present us with your bomber killmails ... nice one. So if they are so weak, why are you so afraid ? I aint afraid but all i see on this thread are ppl wanting a frig the can:- 1. With a couple of buddies 1 volley a BS (post by Tac Ginaz). 2. Use a cov-ops cloak. 3. Cloak while locked (the post above this one by hugh ruka). Now personally i think that is a little overpowered for a frig tbh. ah ... so you take couple = 2 ... how about asking Tac about what he means with couple and then flaming ? you know a constructive approach for a change ? and who said all you listed should be applied ? like maybe only one of these suggestions ? or some modified version ??? but that's too much for you to grasp it seems ... btw a covops frig can warp while cloaked ... isn't that overpowered for a frig ? just what is NOT overpowered for a frig ? die instantly to anything bigger ? --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Munio Veritas Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:03:00 - [165] Edited by: Munio Veritas on 17/11/2008 21:05:06 I think what Murina wants is to have roaming gangs of dreadnoughts that can jump using gates and kill anything smaller than them. If there was no functional way for frigs to fight against larger ships, say BS's, this game would suck. I, for example, hate flying anything bigger than cruisers. EDIT: Forgot the "er."
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:05:00 - [166] Originally by: Munio Veritas I, for one, am all for the addition of a covert ops cloak to the SB. The lack of one is the major drawback to the class at the moment, as, if you do not have off-grid bookmarks, which are not always accessible, it's like putting up a huge sign, "LOOK, A SHIP IS HERE. IT COULD KILL YOU." Your prey then warps off. I think being able to lock while cloaked is irrelevant, as you will most likely have at least two sensor boosters fit, with probably at least one with a scan rez script, so locking time is quite fast. Additionally, since you can only cloak while your missiles are at least 40km (I think?) from the target and still have them do damage, being able to lock while cloak is nice, but not needed. cloak while locked, not the other way around ... that would be too much ... atm when you are locked by something, you cannot cloak. and SB cannot warp while cloaked, so it could actualy move around the grid. has to uncloak to do damage or warp away (or crawl off grid under cloak) and the enemy already knows about you, so your operation just got way more risky (something Murina fails to understand) ... this would actualy enable some survivability against larger targets with slow locks ... you still have to deal with the recloak timer (5 seconds at top skills) and scanres penalty from cloak. --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Munio Veritas Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:06:00 - [167] Originally by: Hugh Ruka Originally by: Munio Veritas I, for one, am all for the addition of a covert ops cloak to the SB. The lack of one is the major drawback to the class at the moment, as, if you do not have off-grid bookmarks, which are not always accessible, it's like putting up a huge sign, "LOOK, A SHIP IS HERE. IT COULD KILL YOU." Your prey then warps off. I think being able to lock while cloaked is irrelevant, as you will most likely have at least two sensor boosters fit, with probably at least one with a scan rez script, so locking time is quite fast. Additionally, since you can only cloak while your missiles are at least 40km (I think?) from the target and still have them do damage, being able to lock while cloak is nice, but not needed. cloak while locked, not the other way around ... that would be too much ... atm when you are locked by something, you cannot cloak. and SB cannot warp while cloaked, so it could actualy move around the grid. has to uncloak to do damage or warp away (or crawl off grid under cloak) and the enemy already knows about you, so your operation just got way more risky (something Murina fails to understand) ... this would actualy enable some survivability against larger targets with slow locks ... you still have to deal with the recloak timer (5 seconds at top skills) and scanres penalty from cloak. Ah, my apologies, I misread. I dunno about this, maybe make this unique to SBs? I can see how this would be abused my other ships.
Munio Veritas Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:07:00 - [168] Edited by: Munio Veritas on 17/11/2008 21:07:41 EDIT: Double post.
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:10:00 - [169] Originally by: Munio Veritas Originally by: Hugh Ruka Originally by: Munio Veritas I, for one, am all for the addition of a covert ops cloak to the SB. The lack of one is the major drawback to the class at the moment, as, if you do not have off-grid bookmarks, which are not always accessible, it's like putting up a huge sign, "LOOK, A SHIP IS HERE. IT COULD KILL YOU." Your prey then warps off. I think being able to lock while cloaked is irrelevant, as you will most likely have at least two sensor boosters fit, with probably at least one with a scan rez script, so locking time is quite fast. Additionally, since you can only cloak while your missiles are at least 40km (I think?) from the target and still have them do damage, being able to lock while cloak is nice, but not needed. cloak while locked, not the other way around ... that would be too much ... atm when you are locked by something, you cannot cloak. and SB cannot warp while cloaked, so it could actualy move around the grid. has to uncloak to do damage or warp away (or crawl off grid under cloak) and the enemy already knows about you, so your operation just got way more risky (something Murina fails to understand) ... this would actualy enable some survivability against larger targets with slow locks ... you still have to deal with the recloak timer (5 seconds at top skills) and scanres penalty from cloak. Ah, my apologies, I misread. I dunno about this, maybe make this unique to SBs? I can see how this would be abused my other ships. I mean this as an SB only ability, not general cloak ability ... we are speaking about bombers here after all ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:12:00 - [170] Originally by: Hugh Ruka ah ... so you take couple = 2 ... how about asking Tac about what he means with couple and then flaming ? you know a constructive approach for a change ? What he means by a couple?... that is two pal unless you wanna redefine the english language to give your pathetic trolling credence. Originally by: Hugh Ruka btw a covops frig can warp while cloaked ... isn't that overpowered for a frig ? No because that is all it can do its a scouting ship, it has little or no dps or tank/ewar. POST NERF PVP SKILLS: "shall we engage?" "hmmm how many ships do they have?" "more than us" "lets not bother then" "WOW great job FC!!!!" ".................

Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:17:00 - [171] Originally by: Munio Veritas I think what Murina wants is to have roaming gangs of dreadnoughts that can jump using gates and kill anything smaller than them. Nope but feel free to exaggerate and talk crap all you like, your in good company with some of the muppets on this thread. Originally by: Munio Veritas If there was no functional way for frigs to fight against larger ships, say BS's, this game would suck. BS need drones now if they wanna deal with frigs and that gives the frigs ample time to warp out and return to help their gang kill the BS if they are not total fools. Originally by: Munio Veritas I, for example, hate flying anything bigger than cruisers. I can tell, but you aint gonna get ccp to start giving you uber frigs and the like just cos you wanna play in a small ship sand box. POST NERF PVP SKILLS: "shall we engage?" "hmmm how many ships do they have?" "more than us" "lets not bother then" "WOW great job FC!!!!" ".................
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:19:00 - [172] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Hugh Ruka ah ... so you take couple = 2 ... how about asking Tac about what he means with couple and then flaming ? you know a constructive approach for a change ? What he means by a couple?... that is two pal unless you wanna redefine the english language to give your pathetic trolling credence. Originally by: Hugh Ruka btw a covops frig can warp while cloaked ... isn't that overpowered for a frig ? No because that is all it can do its a scouting ship, it has little or no dps or tank/ewar. Maybe you should not be so quick about the English language ... maybe it's not his native language ? F.e. for me couple = few = little = a bit etc ... I take them as synonyms ... maybe that's not proper English ... but at least I give him the benefit of the doubt so he can explain his point in a bit more detail ... that actualy helps with getting to a solution ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:21:00 - [173] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Munio Veritas I, for example, hate flying anything bigger than cruisers. I can tell, but you aint gonna get ccp to start giving you uber frigs and the like just cos you wanna play in a small ship sand box. No ? look what they just did ... they made all the frigs much more powerfull ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:22:00 - [174] Originally by: Hugh Ruka F.e. for me couple = few = little = a bit = quite a lot = loads = fek me billions............ Fixed Play with words all you like pal.... POST NERF PVP SKILLS: "shall we engage?" "hmmm how many ships do they have?" "more than us" "lets not bother then" "WOW great job FC!!!!" ".................
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:24:00 - [175] Edited by: Murina on 17/11/2008 21:25:06 Originally by: Hugh Ruka Originally by: Murina Originally by: Munio Veritas I, for example, hate flying anything bigger than cruisers. I can tell, but you aint gonna get ccp to start giving you uber frigs and the like just cos you wanna play in a small ship sand box. No ? look what they just did ... they made all the frigs much more powerfull ... Im pretty sure they gimped speed and weapon systems but then you seem the sort to think along the lines of a false positive.... Let me guess, if we make everybody else shorter and more stupid you think that will make you taller and smarter?.... POST NERF PVP SKILLS: "shall we engage?" "hmmm how many ships do they have?" "more than us" "lets not bother then" "WOW great job FC!!!!" ".................
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:29:00 - [176] Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 17/11/2008 21:29:49 Originally by: Murina Originally by: Hugh Ruka F.e. for me couple = few = little = a bit = quite a lot = loads = fek me billions............ Fixed Play with words all you like pal.... I give up ... I just lack the proper words to describe your mental ability ... edit: and I thought you couldn't do worse yet you did with your post above this one ... --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:34:00 - [177] Edited by: Murina on 17/11/2008 21:35:31 Originally by: Hugh Ruka No ? look what they just did ... they made all the frigs much more powerfull ... Im pretty sure they gimped speed and weapon systems but then you seem the sort to think along the lines of a false positive.... Let me guess, if we make everybody else shorter and more stupid you think that will make you taller and smarter?.... Originally by: Hugh Ruka edit: and I thought you couldn't do worse yet you did with your post above this one ... Your right i mean you would think you were posting in a thread about a problem caused to a frig by this latest nerf or summat......hey wai.. PS: good riddance. POST NERF PVP SKILLS: "shall we engage?" "hmmm how many ships do they have?" "more than us" "lets not bother then" "WOW great job FC!!!!" ".................
Tuncan Minmatar Arbitrary Freedom	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:53:00 - [178] She said "bs sized weapons should only do real damage bs's" And u are still arguing with her? She's either a troll or incapable of thinking scenarios. Bs sized weapons should only do real damage to bs's. Lol so an ibis can kill your megathron? Damn we spotted 5 BS gang what should we do!!! Bring on non bs gang, they will pwn em. BECAUUUSEEEEE BS sized weapons cannot do real damage to smaller ships. BTW cov-ops cloak is lame. Just lame. Aside from probing bonus no one would ever use a cov ops ship if SB's got cov-ops cloak. SB's need in system jump drives =) Blinkin a point to another. They need new weapons,not 3-4 volleyin a BS but enough to make him disengage. More alpha -3k is a joke, it cannot even hurt cruisers - Less rof. Actually SB's can fire specialized missiles which disables a racial system of the target. SB's need more cloaked speed. BUT before all of these SB's need a role. Currently i can get more alpha in my rifter I can tank better in a slasher I can harass my enemies better in a Hyena. I can distract less attention in my shuttle Hell i can do more dps in my reaper SB's are the worst frigates in the game ATM. ( im not concerning bombs, but hell 8x smarbomb fitted typhoons do alot better in pos defence- been there saw that )
Murina The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.17 22:07:00 - [179] Edited by: Murina on 17/11/2008 22:10:46 Originally by: Tuncan She said "bs sized weapons should only do real damage bs's" And u are still arguing with her? She's either a troll or incapable of thinking scenarios. Bs sized weapons should only do real damage to bs's. Lol so an ibis can kill your megathron? Damn we spotted 5 BS gang what should we do!!! Bring on non bs gang, they will pwn em. BECAUUUSEEEEE BS sized weapons cannot do real damage to smaller ships. Have you tried killing a frig with BS weapons since this last patch?, part of the design of this patch was along that exact lines to allow small ships at least modic8m of survivability against BS. Maybe you should read the patch notes before you make comments in future as well as get a little more than 50 or so kills lol this is my cyno alt and i have almost as many as you. POST NERF PVP SKILLS: "shall we engage?" "hmmm how many ships do they have?" "more than us" "lets not bother then" "WOW great job FC!!!!" ".................
Tuncan Minmatar Arbitrary Freedom	Posted - 2008.11.17 22:17:00 - [180] You don't fire frigates if ure in a bs You just neut and let your drones do the job. And against anything bigger than frigate, for example a cruiser You can melt battlecruisers You are everything. The only ships that you cannot hit are the ones you don't really need to hit to kill them. My point is, BS's have a wide option to deal with any kind of target thus they don't need their weapons to kill ships like frigs. Now, with this nerfed weapon system what can you kill in a non utilized "0" tank ship? nothing. So ccp is revising its weapon system Before patch i was yawning to nano ishtars cuz my cruise missiled were doing 20 damage to them. 3 days ago my cruise missile hit an ABing ishkur which goes about 500m/s for "50". Went to jita, sold my hound and my fit. It was a 40 mil worth junk.



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