Can you post somewhere "Terms and conditions" before sales start so we can read them without haste?
Is there any specific delivery or customs restrictions?

Could someone explain what "having PLEX in the redeeming system" means?

We are proceeding carefully, with a limited stock at this time, to enable us to evaluate any impacts of this unique and innovative offer on the EVE economy, and understand any challenges arising from this form of exchange of game world currency for real world goods.

The whole 'plex must be redeemable' thing destroys the entire point. This is supposed to be for players who have ISK but no real life money to get a video card. I may be wrong, but currently I do not believe there is a way to buy a plex with ISK and transfer it to the redeeming system. To have to buy 20 plex with IRL money, then turn it into a video card? There's no point.

We are proceeding carefully, with a limited stock at this time, to enable us to evaluate any impacts of this unique and innovative offer on the EVE economy, and understand any challenges arising from this form of exchange of game world currency for real world goods.

NVM my post. I falsely assumed that you could not transfer plex back to the redeeming system. My B.

So can you post the Tech Specs of the card?

this sounds like a blind date :)

CCP should sell PS3 for PLEX, because there is no reason for EVE player to buy this console with real money to play DUST

So can you post the Tech Specs of the card?

Either ive been to account management and i am a fool and cant find the redeem for new gfx card, or i didnt get home from work early enough...

Let me just look at these numbers.

Currently the average price for these kinds of graphics cards (average GTX 560, EVGA version: 10 euro more than average) is about 150 euro at the closest store to my house.

20 plex is about (15x20) 300 euro.

So basicly if I use plex I would pay twice the money I would need when I'd pay using ... well, money.

I don't like the deal.

Or you cannot read Dates.

No word of a lie, my computer is showing 12/4/2012 lol

the problem with this calculation is that nobody will buy 20 plex to purchase a graphics card. They have them already and you can' make them to money anyway... so this is a quite good offer actually.

And cue the plex price skyrocket.

Well done. PLEX went up by 25M in 1 hours. Driving bitter vets out of the game is the way forward!

There was a mass rush on plex during the fanfest live broadcast. So now there's a 2nd rush because of the dev blog? I think a lot of people are going to have too many extra plex on their hands.

the problem with this calculation is that nobody will buy 20 plex to purchase a graphics card. They have them already and you can' make them to money anyway... so this is a quite good offer actually.

So all the customs and other taxes are paid by CCP or do we need to pay for those as well?

Neat offer... except that it's cheaper for me to go to the local parts store and buy the card than to buy the PLEX to get the card. And I would have to buy the PLEX because I'm not that rich in game.

This offer isn't aimed at you but those with massive amounts of in game money but not much of a real income out of game.

CCP, does this mean I can start selling old nVidia cards on the forums for PLEX? Was thinking 40 PLEX for a GTX 580.

Moreover it's clear that CCP cannot sell an unlimited number of cards through this offer, otherwise it would turn this into a way to "cash out" to its customers, like sort of a poker website.

Shop - -ú130

Plex x 20 - -ú330

That's not a problem with the calculation. The calculation just shows the difference between the value of the thing you trade in vs. the thing you get. Basicly its a horrible deal. No matter if you have 2.000 plex laying around, that doesn't change the value of either the card or your plex. It's still a bad deal, no matter if you can afford it or not.

You could spend the plex on extending your EVE account for a long time, or multiple accounts even.

sure you could. If you have that already you can now request a graphics card.

CCP-¦s decision on any sale is final, except when said decision is voided by applicable law

Im sure this deal makes perfect sense to all the small time manufacturers who's convinced trit and pyerite is free since they mine it themselves.

GTX 560 is only about 20-25% faster than GTX 285. You would be making a terribly poor upgarde. Can't you people realize that non-Ti 560 is not a very fast card.

videocards!!

CCP should sell PS3 for PLEX, because there is no reason for EVE player to buy this console with real money to play DUST

+1 to CCP for this idea. I myself won't take advantage of it because I had a GTX 560 card but got rid of it ( consumed too much electricity and created too much heat ). I sold it for about $75 USD on Ebay if I recall correctly.

videocards!!

Also will one be able specify shipping address and such later on, in case I want to buy it as a gift?

/c

Didn't CCP just put out a blog on banning RMT'ers? Now it seems they are enabling them.

I like the idea, because I still have a GTX260 and enough ISKs for 20 PLEX.

There is however one problem. What do I do with 20 PLEX should I not get a card? I pay for my subscription and do not need PLEX. Nor do I find trading with PLEX attractive to my game.

Can I buy one just with ISKs?

From what country will it be shipped? Iceland? US? I need to know this because of the tax i might or might not need to pay.

Buying a 150Gé¼ card for 270Gé¼ does not sound the smartest thing to do; but on the other hand if you have 10 billions isk you don't need at all (neither for paying your subscription in the future), and you have an old gfx card in your 'puter this offer looks good.

I think that CCP should clarify that these offers are convenient only for those who have a lot of cash ingame and don't know what to do with it.

I love this idea, it supports players who need better graphics cards and provides an isk sink. There are alot of people in Eve with 10-20 bill sitting in a wallet somewhere or have 100's of billions in crap laying around in stations long forgotten. I think isk needs a solid value marker like RL paper money is to gold. Even Chucky Cheese gives out prizes for tickets.

Read: We are competing with our customers over PLEX and as such driving PLEX prices up. When we did that the last time a statue was damaged in the process, so we a are a more careful this time.

Are you aware of the fact that 2000 PLEX is more then there is on stock in Jita?

I'm laughing right now at all of you thinking this is about benefitting the guys with lots of iskies in EVE,

Boy you sure are a clueless bunch of little sheep.

This is about selling more plex! (proof is in the fact they've had 2 plex "sales" so close together and now this!)

Think about it nooblets.

The majority of plex sales come from a core group of people who buy plexes on a regular basis.

in the last 6 months CCP's been losing subscriptions because they haven't been fixing thier broken game. (that and RMT groups in 0.0 have been getting removed by the playerbase causing more sub losses)

to recoup some of those losses they advertise some little trinket for sale that you can buy with plexes.

Plex prices go up, making it a better time to purchase plexes to sell for isk so the plex buyers are essentially getting bigger bang for thier buck.

Some people get a new GFX card for well $0 and the regular plex buyers get more isk.

Pretty simple. Just how many people fall for it..... well we shall see. I bought 18 bil worth of plexes @ around 500 mil each. I'm hoping to make a tidy profit off this deal myself.

So what youre saying is, the people who just want a GFX card for $0 profit, the people who sell plexes to get isk profit and CCP profits from it too? I can totally see how this is an evil move by ccp.

Evil? I wouldn't call it that. A money grab would be a better term. In otherwords..... business. They are in this to make as much cash out of us as possible. Hilmar once believed in making EVE a game for the players, he changed from that belief once EVE became successful (over 300k subs) and went striaight into greed mode which has been ruining this game.

And it's been costing them subs all over the place. I used to pay for my accounts, now I plex them. Sure someone is paying but it's not me, and when I can't make isk to plex accounts I'll just stop playing and move on.

oh and I forgot to mention this but 600mill for a plex????

Now that you have us b the balls I think you can just for a little while go back to the old 30/60/90 GTC prices.

How about a little respect for the cominity that pays your bills and sends your kids to school?

Not to mention that cheaper plex is the more chances you have for me (and many other) to reactivate all ther accounts. (got 5 accounts here dissabled that id like back on).

Jesus christ, how high are you trying to make PLEX prices go up to CCP? wtf

OF COURSE They will give you a gtx 560 for 400 bucks; you can get one for 100 bucks. Geez, Send me ONLY 10 plex and I'll gladly give you a gtx 560 superclocked. This ISNT against the law or ccp's rules either; you CAN trade plex for items just NOT trade plex for cash or currency. So, if you want to get TWO gtx 560's, just avoid ccp's deal and send me 10 GTC's (20 plex). I swear, I'm not joking. We can even do this through ebay as an official trade, protecting you from any scam (with ebay buyer protection).

I hate nvidia. I just bought a new card, a ATI HD 6990 with 2000 stream processors versus the 400 stream processors of the NVIDIA 560 superclocked (these are estimates and you can get technicall however, there is AT LEAST a 1400 stream processor difference for the SAME PRICE).

I hate ccp more than nvidia; at least nvidia gets their **** right before making you overpay for their low performance crap. CCP on the other hand, makes us pay 20 bucks a month for BUGGED CRAP. I am however, proud that they are trying to fix the bugs now so much more than ever BUt they didnt do this cause they wanted us to get our money's worth; they did it cause they realized how many people were leaving eve because of the bugs.

It takes money to motivate ccp, not good morale.

its obvious they will sell out in minutes... probably seconds.

Anyone know if this is just a standard card?

I'm considering buying it if it comes with some Eve-themed goodies :P Even just a logo on my graphics card, or maybe a little collectible something in the box would make this worth it for me.

Just a standard

Not a fan of the idea as you basically pay double in PLEX for a product that doesn't even come close to its relatively pricier "big brother" 560ti in performance and as a consumer, I would feel like I am making a really bad purchase.

It depends what those PLEX are worth to you.

You could say that a PLEX is worth a month of subscription, 500m isk or 1/20th of a graphics card.

To me a month of subscription is worth 500m isk. 500m isk is worth very little. 1/20th of a graphics card that retails at (for the sake of argument) -ú100 including delivery is worth -ú5. Of those three options 1/20th of a graphics card is worth the most, to me.

To someone else the relative values of those three alternatives could be completely different.

GTX 560 is arround 150 Gé¼ here. Cheapest Plex (legaly) is something like 27Gé¼ for two of them.

The idea to be able to buy stuff with ingame money is awesome, although I wouldn't mind to buy one GTX 560 at that price. More of them please! It's the right direction, as you can see with blizzards (sry, had to mention it) D3 RL auction - house.

It's a nice deal for ppl who would like to pay s.th. with their time.

So we have to pay almost double in price for a vanilla card + we have to pay the customs taxes in some cases + get a new power supply in order for us to use it not to mention the astronomical power usage of that card. Seems to me this is only bringing more headaches then doing something good

For the same sake of argument, I can spin it around and ask you how much are you prepared to pay for a product that is close to a year old?

Even if I am paying with internet spaceship money, I do feel like I am being ripped off.

I've already answered that question. I'm perfectly willing to pay 20 PLEX for it. I'd even buy two.

Even if I look at the time it takes me to make the 10b for the 20 PLEX versus the time it takes me to make -ú100 in real life, this offer still wins. But I fully understand that isn't the case for the average EVE player.

I'd be perfectly willing to sell you a 560 for 20 plex. Hell, I'll even sell you two.



Not really, just as I can afford my decadent lifestyle, I also recognize a bad deal when I see them. Even averagely intelligent people, regardless of income, would too.

I'd be perfectly willing to sell you a 560 for 20 plex. Hell, I'll even sell you two.



Not really, just as I can afford my decadent lifestyle, I also recognize a bad deal when I see them. Even averagely intelligent people, regardless of income, would too.

Now I don't know how your wallet looks. But for a lot of us, 20 plexes is basically peanuts.

It is peanuts. But the point is that it is a old card (a rather bad one too) and that doesn't make much sense why you'd buy one, for plex or rl money.

Because it's better than the gfx I currently have
Because I'm spacerich
And because I can.

The same reason why I would buy a completely useless supercarrier *cough revenant*.
Just because I can.

Doc has stated what gfx has in previous post. Go read that.

I'm currently at the same pace as Doc.
I have an old gfx, I can't afford to buy a new one (crisis has me unemployed at the moment) and "I'm spacerich" (quoting Doc).
This is a very good opportunity for me to upgrade my rig at no cost for me, no matter if the rest of you find that gfx not worthy.

Not really, just as I can afford my decadent lifestyle, I also recognize a bad deal when I see them. Even averagely intelligent people, regardless of income, would too.

CCP isnt really making any money off it at least not directly.

past a certain point in this game isk is effectively worthless: all you can do with it is make more isk: so when you have a chance to exchange 10b isk for a video card that's basically a free video card from a marginal utility perspective

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LOL


...so now what ?

you're not very intelligent and you keep beating your head against a wall because you don't understand pretty basic stuff here

past a certain point in this game isk is effectively worthless: all you can do with it is make more isk: so when you have a chance to exchange 10b isk for a video card that's basically a free video card from a marginal utility perspective

My feelings on the matter however it is a ripoff no matter how much you want to empathize how FREE it is, it is still a ****** graphics card and the whole concept just screams RMT.

Glad to see that CCP are so involved with player feedback on this that they gave us a whole 24 hours to discuss it before ignoring us and doing it anyway.

CCP Manifest, where art thou?

I've not read the whole thread, so apologies if this has already been raised.

If this is introduced it will effectively allow ISK to be traded for RL goods.

Have CCP considered the tax implications of this?

My feelings on the matter however it is a ripoff no matter how much you want to empathize how FREE it is, it is still a ****** graphics card and the whole concept just screams RMT.

See devblog: "Purchaser is solely responsible for determining the tax consequences, if any, associated with this offer."

......

well, I would if I was getting in on this (i'd rather keep my isk in useful things and wait for a better card and enough cards I won't get stuck holding a bunch of plex and no card when I'm a second late)

I would love to pay less space money for the card but because it's space money i don't give a ****

What Tab is the offer listed under?

SO . . . do we stop hitting refresh now? will CCP try again tomorrow and do it properlY?

..Next card will be on the next Fan fest so ... you can buy new one

What Tab is the offer listed under?

what tab is the offer listed under?

No tab (lucky one, you were able to log in?)

can't log-in :(

LOL, now it says that i can't order it to Russia....

The offer is available to EVE Online account holders on Tranquility worldwide.

can't log-in :(

Great seems they removed the nvidia link from the account management.

all the important people are 100% in favor of this plan it's the peasants who cannot even imagine 10b isk that are against this

Yeah if would be nice if they could provide some specifics whatever is the EVGA GTX 560 or the standard GTX 560 not to mention that there isnt a list of country's that they send the package to. So overall a total mess for an overpriced card.

Update:

Due to technical difficulties we've had to push the offer back by two hours. We put up a news item about this here and a notification thread here.

Sorry guys!

So, the offer starts at 18:00 or is valid until 18:00 (keep pressing F5 until 18:00)?

Update:

Due to technical difficulties we've had to push the offer back by two hours. We put up a news item about this here and a notification thread here.

Sorry guys!

Can we get a list of country's to where you can send the cards to? So we don't have to bash that website constantly

e-one know is the offer going to be in the account managemnt/plex store?

GTX 560 is arround 150 Gé¼ here. Cheapest Plex (legaly) is something like 27Gé¼ for two of them.

When I saw it for a moment, it was here (in place of one of those two ads):
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/malaire/account-mainpage-ads.png

Aaand there's no "confirm" button!