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DMF KingBob	Posted - 2008.12.16 16:01:00 - [1] it sucks to lose every fight through **ing ecm its comming from 100 km out side of the battle and makes my 2 year close to 50 mil sp char 100% senseless every time it is able in this ing game(where i pay time and money for) to make an fight in low sec without being perma jammed by an **ing alt char or so ?????
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.16 16:04:00 - [2] Oh oh did somebody get jammed?. You were gonna die anyway suck it up.
Nyu Shin	Posted - 2008.12.16 16:40:00 - [3] Plenty of "*" so overall 2/10.
Max Teranous Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.16 16:45:00 - [4] Fit ECCM? Max
KingBobs Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.16 16:59:00 - [5] question:wich module can -disrupt all your turrets to 100% -defend all your missiles -disrupt your remote repair -makes free of warp scrambles and disruptors -makes free of stasis webb -disable attack-orders for drones -disable the EW from your target -more then one can be used at one target without an drawback -all this in an save range of 100km and more out side from the battle ? Right the ECM-****-off module
Master Han The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.16 17:33:00 - [6] Edited by: Master Han on 16/12/2008 17:33:29 Originally by: DMF KingBob and makes my 2 year close to 50 mil sp char 100% senseless every time If you have that many SP in such a short amount of time you must also know how to counteract ECM effectively. BTW, we all know you just want to feel special. There are already dozens of threads about ECM spread throughout almost every channel. You just had to have one of your own in which to appear stupid. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This is not the alt your looking for...
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind	Posted - 2008.12.16 17:38:00 - [7] Originally by: KingBobs Dawn question:wich module can -disable attack-orders for drones WRONG: Drones that have been assigned a target will keep attack regardless of ECM. And as an added bonus, if your drones are idle, and u have them set to aggress, they will attack anyone who jamms you. There are plenty of counters to ECM ships. Get ANY ship within 40kms and they will trying to run away. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Shpuntik Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.12.16 17:38:00 - [8] just leave ECM alone its one of the good things left in game that can help against blobs now nanos nerfed. ---InViCtA---
DMF KingBob	Posted - 2008.12.16 17:40:00 - [9] there is no way to counter ecm effectivly with except ecm self
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.16 17:40:00 - [10] Edited by: maralt on 16/12/2008 17:40:45 Originally by: DMF KingBob there is no way to counter ecm effectivly with except ecm self Bombers with damps own falcons/ecm ships big time.

DMF KingBob	Posted - 2008.12.16 17:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Straight Chillen Originally by: KingBobs Dawn question:wich module can -disable attack-orders for drones WRONG: Drones that have been assigned a target will keep attack regardless of ECM. And as an added bonus, if your drones are idle, and u have them set to aggress, they will attack anyone who jamms you. There are plenty of counters to ECM ships. Get ANY ship within 40kms and they will trying to run away. WRONG: i cant give attack orders while being jammed
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.16 17:43:00 - [12] Edited by: maralt on 16/12/2008 17:42:59 Originally by: DMF KingBob Originally by: Straight Chillen Originally by: KingBobs Dawn question:wich module can -disable attack-orders for drones WRONG: Drones that have been assigned a target will keep attack regardless of ECM. And as an added bonus, if your drones are idle, and u have them set to aggress, they will attack anyone who jamms you. There are plenty of counters to ECM ships. Get ANY ship within 40kms and they will trying to run away. WRONG: i cant give attack orders while being jammed Then they do not disable attack orders they just stop you from making new ones during the jam cycle.
DMF KingBob	Posted - 2008.12.16 17:48:00 - [13] Edited by: DMF KingBob on 16/12/2008 17:49:50 Originally by: maralt Edited by: maralt on 16/12/2008 17:42:59 Originally by: DMF KingBob Originally by: Straight Chillen Originally by: KingBobs Dawn question:wich module can -disable attack-orders for drones WRONG: Drones that have been assigned a target will keep attack regardless of ECM. And as an added bonus, if your drones are idle, and u have them set to aggress, they will attack anyone who jamms you. There are plenty of counters to ECM ships. Get ANY ship within 40kms and they will trying to run away. WRONG: i cant give attack orders while being jammed Then they do not disable attack orders they just stop you from making new ones during the jam cycle. and when the cycle ends/begins the next..... edit Then they do not disable attack orders they just stop you from making new ones during the jam cycle. LOL u talk bull****
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.12.16 17:53:00 - [14] Originally by: DMF KingBob EMO RAGE....... Chill dude ecm works but then so do damps well as other things under the right circumstances.
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.12.16 17:58:00 - [15] Originally by: maralt Edited by: maralt on 16/12/2008 17:40:45 Originally by: DMF KingBob there is no way to counter ecm effectivly with except ecm self Bombers with damps own falcons/ecm ships big time. They make them warp out and come back, they don¦t own them if you find a nearly competent Falcon Pilot he is aligned and Missles are not Instant Damage and will never hit a Target that is warped out and nearly back in the battle till the Missle is there. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
PeachesAndCream	Posted - 2008.12.16 18:08:00 - [16] Have you tried not sucking? That usually fixes it.
Kulmid The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2008.12.16 18:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Max Teranous Fit ECCM? Max Give up a midslot and still be perma-jammed. What a great idea. Swap the Optimal bonus for a falloff bonus and double it on the falcon. Then half the optimal and half the strength of ECM and give them scripts that double falloff or double strength. Force falcons to fight close if they want to have high chance of jamming. If they wanna sit far away they severely gimp their chances of jamming. _________________
DMF Bive Passive Resistance Ice Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.16 19:08:00 - [18] Edited by: DMF Bive on 16/12/2008 19:11:15 best think is only one or two ecm mod's can be activated for one ship the other mods must be Disabled or used on an other ship. ECM need scrips like the odder EW modules (Sensordamps etc...) for strength or jamming range. all ew mod's are nerfed with scrips but ecm not, that got a boost ,ecm strength on scrops +15% before was 10% and 10% was mostly time to much. My ideas: +ECM -50% strength and optimalrange and falloff +ECM strength scrip +100% strength -50% optimalrange and falloff +ECM range script -50% strength +100 optimalrange and fall off +ECCM +50% strength to the normal strength +Maximum two ECM mod's can be used to jam one ship
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.12.16 19:26:00 - [19] Make ECM only break existing locks but don't make it drop max locked targets to zero? Make ECM reduce max locked targets by a certain number instead of jamming completely? Make ECCM break the jam effect if a successful roll against the jam strength is done? While ECM is still chance based, its effect is imho too absolute compared to other ewar and could use some 'creative readjusting' to balance out instead of just lowering range and/or jam strength. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Haakelen Gallente Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.16 19:27:00 - [20] Originally by: PeachesAndCream Have you tried not sucking? That usually fixes it.

DMF Bive Passive Resistance Ice Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.16 19:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: PeachesAndCream Have you tried not sucking? That usually fixes it. that works one or two times but not every time and a falcon is in every 2 man fleet standart
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.16 19:42:00 - [22] Originally by: PeachesAndCream Have you tried not sucking? That usually fixes it. This.
554812 Fromage Frais Industries	Posted - 2008.12.16 20:55:00 - [23] Edited by: 554812 on 16/12/2008 20:56:56 ECM really needs a bit of work. (especially the falcon) second time i've died 100% jammed in like 2 weeks, cant even fight back. bit sh*te imo
Johli Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.12.16 21:06:00 - [24] Successful troll is successful.
amego Caldari Fromage Frais Industries	Posted - 2008.12.16 21:06:00 - [25] over powered, over powered, over powered! in the age of "the balance", can ccp address the falcon? we all know of the tactical advantage it can offer, but it is very detremental to good gameplay. i accept the use of EW, but the success ratio of the falcon is too great, i am 100% behind a balance to the falcon, i have yet to be in the scenario where a falcon has been unsuccessful to repeat a jamming cycle. the case is clear, its too powerful, so ccp, i call on you to address the situation.
Akiba Penrose	Posted - 2008.12.16 21:20:00 - [26] Even the devs know that the Falcon and ECM in general is bad for pvp. The real reason why they wont nerf it, is because they enjoy reading the "Nerf the F****** Falcon!" -threads to much.
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind	Posted - 2008.12.16 21:45:00 - [27] Ill cross post this here, cuz im sure most people dont want to hunt for the other thread but Originally by: Straight Chillen I think the easiest way to fix the ECM problem is to simply make ECCM more effective. Right now ECCM is practically useless. You just turn it on and hope you have enough sensor strength to not get jammed or break a cycle. What if ECCM was a more 'active' counter measure. Something like this. When your jammed you activate your ECCM module. It then rolls to see if you break the jamming entirely, shorten the duration, or fail and enjoy the full cycle. The ECCM will have no effect if it is active before the jamming cycle has started. This will stop it from completly overpowering and nullifing ECM, and becoming the new must have mod, and makes it require some degree of skill and interaction instead of just pressing a button and leaving it at that. As all the falcon fanbois are so quick to point out Jamming is chance based. Even though that chance is something like 92%, theres still that little chance that it wont land. This is why i think a chance based ECCM system would be better to counter act it, instead of the current 'improving your odds'. This would mean that ECM ships keep their ability to kill locks at will, But atleast gives their prey a fighting chance to counter them. This allows the falcon to have its get out of jail card still, with jamming tacklers. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
ShadowDraqon The Quantum Company	Posted - 2008.12.16 21:46:00 - [28] uhm... obvious troll is obvious? ~ THIS IS A ~ ~ SIGNATURE! ~ Putting the MM in the MMO!
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind	Posted - 2008.12.16 21:47:00 - [29] Originally by: ShadowDraqon uhm... obvious troll is obvious? if its so obvious why do you sound so uncertain? Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
DMF KingBob	Posted - 2008.12.16 21:52:00 - [30] Originally by: 554812 Edited by: 554812 on 16/12/2008 20:56:56 ECM really needs a bit of work. (especially the falcon) second time i've died 100% jammed in like 2 weeks, cant even fight back. same to me but in a couple of hours and mostly at friday night too



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