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Reggie Stoneloader Party Crashers INC. Liberty.	Posted - 2008.12.16 22:26:00 - [31] ECM is fine. If it works, it does great. If it fails, it's a waste of time. If one of their guys is in a Falcon, then one of their guys isn't doing any damage or healing, either, and he's not even helping tank. Your problem is that you're outnumbered and outclassed, not that they're using ECM. If you come up against a nanogang and can't hit them, if you get locked down by ECM, if you get neuted into a coma by Curses, if a Dominix grabs you at 0km, if snipers pop you from 230km, if eight log ships spider-tank their battleships to invulnerability, if they cyno six carriers into your bubble, you lost the fight. Paper, rock, scissors. Crusades: Security Status
KingBobs Dawn	Posted - 2008.12.16 22:45:00 - [32] Edited by: KingBobs Dawn on 16/12/2008 22:47:21 Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader ECM is fine. If it works, it does great. If it fails, it's a waste of time. If one of their guys is in a Falcon, then one of their guys isn't doing any damage or healing, either, and he's not even helping tank. Your problem is that you're outnumbered and outclassed, not that they're using ECM. If you come up against a nanogang and can't hit them, if you get locked down by ECM, if you get neuted into a coma by Curses, if a Dominix grabs you at 0km, if snipers pop you from 230km, if eight log ships spider-tank their battleships to invulnerability, if they cyno six carriers into your bubble, you lost the fight. Paper, rock, scissors. Paper, rock, scissors getting jammed by an falcon too!!!!!!! and if one falcon is not enough the rest of the bunch will do it.... go back to your sandbox please ECM sucks
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.16 23:11:00 - [33] The problem is that ECM specialised ships do a bit too well. The advise to fit ECCM does also not work, because even with ECCM fitted a Falcon pilot will not have problems keeping a target jammed. Sure with ECCM the chance is higher that a jammer cycle fails but the risk is still low compared to other types of EW and that the Falcon is able to do this jamming from a distance that only very few Sniper Ships can reach, is just to much. I would love to see the Caldari FOTM pilots introduced to the joy that scripts brought to dampener and tracking disruptors. The best solution would be scripts that force the FOTM user to choose between range and jamming strength. So that Falcons can still fill their role but are at risk by FoF Missiles and Drones, or stay at a safe distance but are only minimaly effective then. Now flame on.
Damoxenos	Posted - 2008.12.16 23:35:00 - [34] Edited by: Damoxenos on 16/12/2008 23:35:51 quote=DMF KingBob]ECM RAGE....... FIXED.. edit: fixed bad quoting, sorry never done it before.. forum noob lol
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.16 23:44:00 - [35] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon The problem is that ECM specialised ships do a bit too well. The advise to fit ECCM does also not work, because even with ECCM fitted a Falcon pilot will not have problems keeping a target jammed. Sure with ECCM the chance is higher that a jammer cycle fails but the risk is still low compared to other types of EW and that the Falcon is able to do this jamming from a distance that only very few Sniper Ships can reach, is just to much. Falcons are annoying but not really hard to figure out once you start thinking that the opposition probably will have some ecm ships when you setup your ships/gang. If anything its the other EW ships that needs a buff to escape this idea that pvp should be just tank and spank with solofitted ships.
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.17 04:50:00 - [36] Originally by: DMF KingBob there is no way to counter ecm effectivly with except ecm self LoL ECCM = electronic COUNTER counter messures a counter to a counter, = lots of counting *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics

CCP Applebabe	Posted - 2008.12.17 05:41:00 - [37] Moved to " General Discussion " forum. Applebabe Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

fightnkill Violent Fury	Posted - 2008.12.17 05:47:00 - [38] Edited by: fightnkill on 17/12/2008 05:48:23 ECCM doesn't even work a Dominix with with 3 Magnetometric ECCM II on AND Overheat and guess what? STILL GOT JAMMED BY 1 FRIGGIN FALCON! can't even tackle them falcons Welcome to Falcon-Online, Where solo/small group pvp is dominated by one ship that can screw up an entire gang from 150km away.
Nnamuachs Caldari Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.12.17 05:52:00 - [39] Well correct me if i'm wrong at any point here.. but an ECCM module.. will pretty effectively negate a single ECM module yeah? well.. reduce its chances dramatically anyways... the problem people seem to have is that the ratio is required to be 1 to 1.. one sensor booster almost negates a sensor damp, one tracking enhancer almost negates a tracking damp etc... So the problem is falcon pilots fit multiple ECM making it impossible to fight back unless one fits the equivalent amount of ECCM mods yeah? Its a one for one exchange.. one point.. 1 WCS... most people are going to fit 1, 2 points at max.. a full rack of WCS is going to overcome that because theres more counter mods than effect mods. So the same applies to ECM and every other Ewar tbh. Yes perhaps falcons can be effective too far from the fight.. but they're slow and very fragile and even a falcon can't sit outside a dedicated snipers range.. and 1-2 salvos from a dedicated sniper and the falcon is toast. But sure.. nerf the range.. i dont use it anyways
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2008.12.17 05:57:00 - [40] Originally by: fightnkill Edited by: fightnkill on 17/12/2008 05:48:23 ECCM doesn't even work a Dominix with with 3 Magnetometric ECCM II on AND Overheat and guess what? STILL GOT JAMMED BY 1 FRIGGIN FALCON! can't even tackle them falcons Welcome to Falcon-Online, Where solo/small group pvp is dominated by one ship that can screw up an entire gang from 150km away. Yes you are right, 3 ECCMs should completely negate any number of ECMs an enemy throws at you, in the same way 3 explosive hardeners make you invulnerable to explosive damage! Oh wait... ===== "If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron...
fightnkill Violent Fury	Posted - 2008.12.17 06:04:00 - [41] another thing, i was jammed for TWO cycles, not one. b4 he escaped I mean what's the point of having ECCM's ?
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.12.17 06:06:00 - [42] No removing my best contribution to pvp :) Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Aesheera Amarr Malum Crusis IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.12.17 06:21:00 - [43] Bring your own Falcon? --
Wen Johen	Posted - 2008.12.17 06:23:00 - [44] Edited by: Wen Johen on 17/12/2008 06:23:32 My Falcon alt drinks your tears, OP. On another note, flying Falcons is getting boring. Every time you're called primary. Every time when you're up against a competent gang you'll end up either damped, ecmed in return, have a half a dozen ities charging right for you, or what's worse - they bring ECCM'ed up snipers :( Every time you have to retreat from battle way before it is over, provided you're up against those who come prepared. Life of a Falcon pilot is not all it is made out to be.
Onionico Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.12.17 06:24:00 - [45] It's you. You need to be removed.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.12.17 06:25:00 - [46] Originally by: Aesheera Bring your own Falcon? Which would make the Falcon a mandatory ship. This is bad for diversity and bad for EVE. In a balanced game design something like this should not happen and therefore requires looking into and readjustment. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Mire Stoude Cash Money Brothers	Posted - 2008.12.17 06:26:00 - [47] An Arazu or Lachesis in your gang can neutralize a ranged Falcon as well.
Wen Johen	Posted - 2008.12.17 06:29:00 - [48] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Aesheera Bring your own Falcon? Which would make the Falcon a mandatory ship. This is bad for diversity and bad for EVE. In a balanced game design something like this should not happen and therefore requires looking into and readjustment. or you can bring * any interceptor * sniping battleship, rokhs and apocs work well * lachesis/arazu first two will either eliminate the falcon of make it leave the battlefield, last ones will make it unable to target anything and do its falcon thing
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.17 06:33:00 - [49] Originally by: ShadowDraqon uhm... obvious troll is obvious? Yes.
Ticondrius Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.17 06:33:00 - [50] ECM at it's finest: Raspberry! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PROPOSAL: Chaos Incarnate's Face MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.17 06:34:00 - [51] Originally by: Nnamuachs Well correct me if i'm wrong at any point here.. You were pretty much wrong from there on.
ViperVenom Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.17 06:45:00 - [52] I detect some 1 who did not fit eccm..... well u fail try again --Yarring in a system near you--
Calvin Roh	Posted - 2008.12.17 08:00:00 - [53] OP.. your right it sucks to loose a fight the same way. The same is true of being webbed, pointed and neuted - its the exact same thing... Someone has taken a tactic and pushed it to an extreme on a ship fitting and made good use of it... its exactly the same! Where is the balance in the game if you cant even tank or cant even maneuver in a fight? I think you get my point... As an EWar pilot, it is common to be rendered ineffective with the right tactics put against you, which holds true for any ship and fitting in the game. And there have been several times that not a single cycle was able to jam a target ships that is not that great with ECCM to start with. While i may on some days agree that the falcon allows for some great bonuses to EWar, on other days I also remember that on a 1 for 1 comparison the Caldari line of ships is outclassed in just about every role after the missile adjustment, which forced you to loose a precious shield mid slot to a painter if you hoped to make use of the millions of missile skill points one has been training for. So to make the one role that a caldari ship skill tree can make decent use of weaker, REALLY risks making the entire Caldari line of ships pointless for anything but low level mining and hauling. I think this is why you are seeing so many falcon pilots out there now - lacking a decent gun boat (on a 1 to 1 like ship-class comparison) and the fact that the missile correction killed any hope of DPS AND decent shield tanks, all the Caldari pilots made the quick slide over to the falcon and could be useful in a fleet again and get on the KBs. If CCP is going to correct ECM, then they will need to address this larger issue as well. Where my Ewar has been rendered ineffective is where the opposing fleets are made up of more than just short-mid range damage dealers and tacklers for damage dealers... have some long range hitters, have some ships who's job it is to roam the rear ranks of the enemy fleet. Don't bring the entire fleet in at one time, for one giant slug fest, hold some tactical assets back, get the enemy to commit and then unleash them. Don't do this and you allow Ewar pilots to take advantage of their strengths and not worry about their weaknesses. And ill admit that i really dont want to see Ewar "ballanced" because it will mean my current toons are worth half the skills points invested just because i made the arbitrary mistake of choosing the caldari race which has turned out to be a pvp-dud for the most part, and then have to start down the long road of new ship and weapon skills trees so that I can fly a ship the way you think they ought to be. ill get off my soap box now.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.12.17 08:20:00 - [54] is that you Jeff Freeman?
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.12.17 08:40:00 - [55] Originally by: DMF KingBob it sucks to lose every fight through **ing ecm its comming from 100 km out side of the battle and makes my 2 year close to 50 mil sp char 100% senseless every time it is able in this ing game(where i pay time and money for) to make an fight in low sec without being perma jammed by an **ing alt char or so ????? Yes a game where you can only tank and spank sounds like fun! --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2008.12.17 08:50:00 - [56] Oh great the wine starts and another Cald Nerf on the way :( but I don't care anymore I am a carebear now mining beams forever hehehehe ....................... 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
Xioden Acap Lightspeed Enterprises Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.12.17 09:22:00 - [57] The obvious solution is to bring an anti-Falcon-Falcon. Since they'll likely have an Anti-Falcon-Falcon aswell, You'll need an Anti-Falcon-Falcon-Falcon. And since they'll have Have an Anti-Falcon-Falcon-Falcon-Falcon aswell, You'll need an Anti-Falcon-Falcon-Fal... You know what? The obvious solution is just for everyone to Falc.. I mean fight in Falcons.
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta	Posted - 2008.12.17 09:25:00 - [58] Originally by: KingBobs Dawn question:wich module can -disrupt all your turrets to 100% -defend all your missiles -disrupt your remote repair -makes free of warp scrambles and disruptors -makes free of stasis webb -disable attack-orders for drones -disable the EW from your target -more then one can be used at one target without an drawback -all this in an save range of 100km and more out side from the battle ? Right the ECM-****-off module Quoting because it's true.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.12.17 09:36:00 - [59] if eccm worked , we would be spared all these ****in threads ---------- Seasons Greetings and have a Happy Alvis Time
Nebulous Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.17 09:42:00 - [60] Originally by: DMF KingBob it sucks to lose every fight through **ing ecm its comming from 100 km out side of the battle and makes my 2 year close to 50 mil sp char 100% senseless every time it is able in this ing game(where i pay time and money for) to make an fight in low sec without being perma jammed by an **ing alt char or so ????? Kingbob what does it matter to someone who gets all his pvp from can baiting in Amarr anyway? You are also the king of dirty tricks, you and your crew use every dirty trick in the book, you make out your offering fair 1v1's then you get neutrals or sometimes alliance/corp friends to rep you once you realise your going to lose. I don't like ECM either, but if it annoys you then it should be kept as it is for just that reason. p.s. tell your corp to not make their KB public unless they have the decency post losses as well. bye

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