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Smartacus
Guys With Strippers
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Posted - 2012.04.26 21:36:00 -
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Does anyone know what is the general assumed amount of Tech moons in the game ?
Currently there is only just around 600k units of Tech on sell orders in Jita. While the recent daily amount bought is around 1M units.
It seems to me a single person with some isk can completely play this market, which is probably happening too i would guess.
Some other thought that crossed my mind.
Lets say : Cartel of alliances controls all tech in game. Decide to completely stop selling tech to jita market Hereby reserving T2 ships for alliances only.
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
175
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Posted - 2012.04.26 21:48:00 -
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I like that thought. The idea of a player group significantly affecting EVE-wide play is pretty awesome. I hope they don't hit it with the nerf-bat too quickly. Now, I like the idea of eventual ring-mining so that we can have SOME T2 ships around, but I really enjoy watching everything move in unusual directions. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1061
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Posted - 2012.04.26 23:55:00 -
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Smartacus wrote:Does anyone know what is the general assumed amount of Tech moons in the game ? A minimum of around 230 publicly known locations (552k/day). A distant past estimate of most likely actual count of around 360-380 (864k-912k/day). A still borderline believable maximum moon count of around 450-480 (1.08m-1.15m/day).
The overwhelming vast majority of raw technetium trade happens in Jita. A high portion of it used to be sold raw to buy orders without being reacted by the extractor. A noteworthy percentage of it is later resold raw at a higher price by whoever purchased it without intention to react. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
Sensei Cohiba
LaFrege Traders Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 06:50:00 -
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I can confirm that ncdot leadership channels have instructed their corps to not list for below 199kpu.
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Smartacus
Guys With Strippers
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:18:00 -
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Interesting.
Also tnx Akita. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1062
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:53:00 -
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Sensei Cohiba wrote:I can confirm that ncdot leadership channels have instructed their corps to not list for below 199kpu. Why not 300k just for lulz ? http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
210
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:04:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Sensei Cohiba wrote:I can confirm that ncdot leadership channels have instructed their corps to not list for below 199kpu. Why not 300k just for lulz ?
NCdot threw in the towel against us and so we magnanimously left them five moons.
Their supply is not exactly what one might call "significant" as a result. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:00:00 -
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Looks like the bottom is ready to fall out of tech and derivatives.
Suppliers ramping the price up is based on a game of chicken between themselves and the buyers to see who will give in first. While sellers as a cartel have an advantage of being able to coordinate, I think the Jita weekend may have played the buyers' hand for them, and people just decided to skip buying high priced tech and derivatives from an occupied Jita. Where they may have individually accepted the new price range set and raced to be the first to cash in on rising t2 prices, they instead collectively faced the same disincentives of high prices and gank risk.
I'd like to see it fall just because it would create a new decision dynamic in the cartel, where now you have to consider internal and external reputation of the cartel in terms of effectiveness. It will be interesting either way though. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
231
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:17:00 -
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Your argument, or what appears to be your argument, is that the reduced volume as a result of burn jita somehow broke the back of the cartel.
This argument might hold more water if the reduced volume hadn't been in effect across almost the entire market. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
264
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:55:00 -
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Except the entire market wasn't in a similar stare-down over purposefully and publicly ramped-up prices.
I'll reread it in the morning, but it seems pretty clear and simple to me, whether you agree or not aside. |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1073
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:05:00 -
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So basically, cartel plans were delayed a few days ? :) http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
Liberty Eternal
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:23:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Looks like the bottom is ready to fall out of tech and derivatives.
Cracks are showing in many markets but with all the recent noise it is difficult to know what to think of it. With a bit of luck we will see a hilarious parallel of the morphite debacle. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:18:00 -
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Yup, I'm far from doomcalling here. I just wanted to point out that in what is largely a psychological game internally and externally, the burn jita event may have made it significantly easier for buyers not to accept a new higher price range and similarly harder for cartel members to not begin to doubt, distrust or outright cheat.
I know eve-o gets a lot of knee-jerk anti-goon comments, but this is far from that. I'm just hopeful because a tougher ride for price control efforts just makes for a more interesting subject and volatile price. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
124
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:29:00 -
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2 words
Ring Mining
Deal with IT. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
267
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:07:00 -
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One question
When? |
Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.05.07 06:27:00 -
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I examined the amount of traded tech in Jita and the trend is clear. The actual traded amount of tech is 20% lower than in the best times. (10day avg) The cartel is working until now, but stockpiling is ongoing. I examined the traded amount of nanotranistors too and even this went down. Actually since the price went up to 10k ISK the amount of traded nanotransistors went rapidly down as well as the tech.
There are maybe 3 causes for this:
1) The high prices on T1 minerals is lowering the demand for T2 too 2) The high price on tech is lowering the demand for T2 3) The high price on tech isn't for many reaction pos owners affordable. They haven't the liquidity
What do you think?
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:42:00 -
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Idk exactly when the market will stop clearing, but I am supremely confident that every unit produced will still be consumed at 200k pu, and all we`re seeing is fluctuations associated with the big change engineered by the cartel.
That said, for the first time in a long time I do not have a good `feel`for what`s going on in the market, and am currently waiting to see how things play out before I make another market move, if I make another market move. I see a lot of downward pressure on nanos and tech itself, but sellers of raw tech are showing surprising discipline in not chasing the price of raw tech back down.
It will be an interesting week or two watching how it all plays out. |
Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:26:00 -
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The amount of sold tech per day is lowering. The level for a 10d avg is at 750k per day. Nanotransistors have a better future. The total size of all buy orders is much greater than the total size of all sell orders and the amount of traded Nanotransistors is raising.
That is good news for Tech moon owners. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
343
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:48:00 -
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Generally lower tech volume can just mean more being reacted directly by primary producers, which is more plausible the longer the moons are held by the same alliance like we have had for a long time.
I don't put much stock in the daily volume of tech. The daily volume of nanos and fullerieds, on the other had, are still as relevant as they always were.
Again, I'm not saying I know either way right now, I just don;t think that's a valid way to analyze the situation. |
Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:16:00 -
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It doesn't matter where the tech is processed. In the end it's the total market value that gives you the profit. And when nanotransistors don't give an noticeable additional profit because of the tower and transport cost, moon goo owners will not do it. |
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:45:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:It doesn't matter where the tech is processed. In the end it's the total market value that gives you the profit. And when nanotransistors don't give an noticeable additional profit because of the tower and transport cost, moon goo owners will not do it.
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TornSoul
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:53:00 -
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Is the cartel already failing?
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Black Madness
Natural Born Builders
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Posted - 2012.05.17 04:41:00 -
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TornSoul wrote:Is the cartel already failing?
Goons tired to take care of tech ? |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2012.05.17 13:27:00 -
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It's a standoff between buyers accepting the new price and sellers maintaining it. Theoretically it's easier for the smaller number of sellers to collude to fix the price, and so far they've managed to stay firm.
However, there is a lot of pressure building up in raw tech, and while time is on the side of the cartel, it does constantly wear away at their collusion. Buyers will eventually accept the new price, if the cartel doesn't crack first.
I have noticed somebody coming by to clear out the sells below 200k pu, so if you're a primary producer who needs quick cash, just list at 199999.99 instead of selling to a buy order, and whomever is keeping the price nice and tidy will scoop it up from you. |
Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.05.18 08:47:00 -
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SetrakDark wrote:It's a standoff between buyers accepting the new price and sellers maintaining it. Theoretically it's easier for the smaller number of sellers to collude to fix the price, and so far they've managed to stay firm.
However, there is a lot of pressure building up in raw tech, and while time is on the side of the cartel, it does constantly wear away at their collusion. Buyers will eventually accept the new price, if the cartel doesn't crack first.
I have noticed somebody coming by to clear out the sells below 200k pu, so if you're a primary producer who needs quick cash, just list at 199999.99 instead of selling to a buy order, and whomever is keeping the price nice and tidy will scoop it up from you.
Confirmed. Some sellers doing their bussiness not at the OTEC conditions. If this continues, the OTEC will be soon history. |
De Guillaume
APEX ARDENT COALITION Persona Non Gratis
266
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Posted - 2012.05.18 12:37:00 -
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you wants intersting, i was checking out my assets and just found I have about 6b isk worth of tec , that being what it was valued when i first got it, if i remember correctly, whatever is pushing the prices higher, cheers, keep it up
the only issue is its in 00 space. mmm
fyi, everyone not in the cartle should all gang up and take it from them. so unfair they hold pretty much all of the tec, i am jealous :} |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.05.18 17:37:00 -
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it seems we broke the t2 market entirely by jacking up the prices from 120k to 200k in three months
oops |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.05.18 17:38:00 -
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like most t2 stuff is hilariously underpriced now the shock just keeps slowly rippling through and we're going to see a sudden shortage of t2 stuff in a little while |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
331
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Posted - 2012.05.18 17:42:00 -
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yeah, even the "my time is free" pubbies that exist in abundance in the invention markets can recognize when they're literally losing money on invention.
I mean, probably. |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
7
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Posted - 2012.05.18 17:44:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:like most t2 stuff is hilariously underpriced now the shock just keeps slowly rippling through and we're going to see a sudden shortage of t2 stuff in a little while
That's exactly it. People all down the line say "**** it, I'm not paying for that", but they eventually will, at least at ~200k pu. Just a matter of who cracks first, buyers or sellers.
Interesting times. |
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