Originally by: DaiTengu

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Originally by: Ephemeron

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Regarding the idea of moving sov holding structures to planets:

I want people to be aware of this issue: many people warp to planets for various reasons - sometimes in combat, other times to scan belts.

If we have sov claiming stuff at the planets, those structures SHOULD NOT automatically kill whatever warps there. Either they should have passive defense measures, or they must be positioned at least 300 km from the planet warp to point, out of gun range.

It may not seem like a big issue now, but it will be once it is used on massive scale in EVE.

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People warp to planets because there's no chance of a hostile POS being there. Also, they warp to planets because belts sometimes have rats in them.

If you're invading a system, this makes a covops or interceptor far more useful, as they can make safe spots. A hostile force shouldn't be able to warp to a planet in a sovereign system with no repercussions. Planets, especially if they are populated, should be heavily defended.

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Originally by: Vuk Lau

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This is something which is discussed in CSM for quite some time. It is not a simple issue so we will give our best to present this during our meeting in Iceland.

This is some of my ideas based on draft Darius made for current 0.0 situation

SOV mechanics

All moon structures (current POSes) would lose their ability to count for sovereignity. SOV holding structures would be moved to planets. POSes will remain as they are currently but they will lose all structures connected to sovereignty as:
-Cynosural Generator Array
-Cynosural System Jammer
-Jump Bridge
-System Scannin Array

Planet orbiting structures should have much more HP then current POSes and they should have ability to anchor and online following modules:
-Turret Batteries
-Electronic Warfare Batteries
-Energy Neutralizing Batteries
-Missile Batteries
-Shield Hardening Arrays
-Corporate Hangar Array
As well as modules connected to sovereignty mentioned above. Precise amount of HP (shield, armor and structure) as well as PG/CPU should be carefully increased, but with current number of capital ship ingame it needs to be a bit more then current Control towers.
That will significantly decrease amount of POSes we have atm and it would limit SOV holding structures strictly to the planets.


Planets

I would refer to the issue already raised by CSM http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=859419 . Every planet in system where alliances have sovereignty could be teraformed. Each planet would produce certain amount of NPC goods (or moon products) and it should be stored in some new structure which will be present on different warpin points around the planet (current mechanic where you warp from any direction to the planet and always end up on same spot needs to be changed). Those structures should be guarded by some light defenses simply to prevent lonely frigate to be able to pop it. 10 man HAC gang should be optimum to take one of this silos pretty much quickly and to loot the stuff from it. It will give a new goal to small roaming gangs which are at this moment pretty much useless in 0.0 alliance warfare.



NPC agents in Conquerable outposts

There should be introduced NPC standings towards Alliances. We have at this moment NPC toward corp standings but it is easily exploitable by making one man corps who will be owner of outposts. If counting only NPC towards alliance standings it will give huge role-play impact to 0.0 alliances which I am sure many will accept it with joy (hi CVA brothers). Anyway with hitting 1.0 standing towards NPC faction alliances should get ability to invite level 1 agents into their outposts (maybe after some event with AURORA team û yes we want AURORA back) or by paying certain fee. Later on with eventual increasing of standings alliances can invite lvl2 and later on level 3, level 4 and in the end level 5 agents (maybe end game would be cosmos agents or something connected with tech3). Ultimately it can be connected with planets structures and adding more roleplaying like, as higher standing is, more goods will planet colonies produce. Or opposite, hostile attacks on planet could decrease NPC standing toward Alliance.


Basicly there is lot of good ideas floating around and we would like to hear your thoughts about it.

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Originally by: Ephemeron

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Originally by: DaiTengu

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Originally by: Ephemeron

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Regarding the idea of moving sov holding structures to planets:

I want people to be aware of this issue: many people warp to planets for various reasons - sometimes in combat, other times to scan belts.

If we have sov claiming stuff at the planets, those structures SHOULD NOT automatically kill whatever warps there. Either they should have passive defense measures, or they must be positioned at least 300 km from the planet warp to point, out of gun range.

It may not seem like a big issue now, but it will be once it is used on massive scale in EVE.

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People warp to planets because there's no chance of a hostile POS being there. Also, they warp to planets because belts sometimes have rats in them.

If you're invading a system, this makes a covops or interceptor far more useful, as they can make safe spots. A hostile force shouldn't be able to warp to a planet in a sovereign system with no repercussions. Planets, especially if they are populated, should be heavily defended.

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I worry that in alliance 0.0 space, there won't be a single planet without these new structures in place. People are already used to be able to warp to planets, thousands of people. If you add game features that insta-pop anyone careless enough to warp to planets as they did for years before, you will create lots of problems. Even if you think it is "fair" game mechanic, many people will be upset over it.

I agree that sov claiming structures should be heavily defended. But there's no reason for them to insta-kill everything that warps in. Perhaps those structures should only respond to aggressive action, similar to CONCORD and sentry guns. If someone warps there but doesn't attack anyone, he shouldn't be attacked by the automatic defense

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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This post is essentially extracted from our conversations in Iceland regarding 0.0. I'm not going to get too into detail regarding mechanics as that's really the dev's jobs, but I think we can all agree that 0.0 needs some love and it needs it now. There's a few pieces to this proposal and I'll update it as necessary with any good ideas. I'm in a bit of a rush as today's the deadline to get topics posted for Iceland so I'll be editing this with things I think of or your non terrible ideas as we progress. In simple bullet form:

• CCP has expressed a desire, and I agree kinda, to move away from POS's as the sov claiming mechanic. I don't believe a good replacement has been conceived. In the interim what could go a long way is reducing the quantity required to hold sov. My favorite proposal was made at the 0.0 roundtable in Iceland. This would have sovreignty claims moved from moons to planets, with industrial POS aspects moved to moons and decoupled from sov. This would serve to reduce the number of posses required to claim and give smaller groups a target to hit to disrupt industrial operations alone. Industrial structures should be easier to attack and should not require the large amount of people a sov pos requires to engage. This will also serve to address the problem of people "claiming more space than they can defend".


• Right now as it stands the risk versus reward equation is completely skewed in Eve. 0.0 is completely stagnant and the reason for this is that conquering space is simply not worth it. There's no "massive riches" to be gained. In truth with the way truesec works NPC 0.0 is actually FAR more profitable. What I'd recommend is not to reduce the value of NPC and Empire/lowsec space but to BUFF 0.0. There are a number of ways to accomplish this, one that I've proposed involves giving spaceholding alliances the ability to upgrade their space over time, increasing the sec rating or seeding asteroids or even a mechanic to add agents, perhaps via station upgrades. The possibilities for this are endless but at the end of the day the big picture desired end result is to make conquering space worth it. You should not be able to get richer in Eve doing less work.

These are the big two and I realize they're VERY high level. I'll post more/refine as things are added to this thread. That is what this forum is for.

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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This post is essentially extracted from our conversations in Iceland regarding 0.0. I'm not going to get too into detail regarding mechanics...

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Originally by: Romulus Silvia

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i didn't read the OP.
i was just told i had to vote for it.

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Originally by: Ephemeron

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Regarding the idea of moving sov holding structures to planets:

I want people to be aware of this issue: many people warp to planets for various reasons - sometimes in combat, other times to scan belts.

If we have sov claiming stuff at the planets, those structures SHOULD NOT automatically kill whatever warps there. Either they should have passive defense measures, or they must be positioned at least 300 km from the planet warp to point, out of gun range.

It may not seem like a big issue now, but it will be once it is used on massive scale in EVE.

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Originally by: Kwa Zulu

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(ie: Just 1 structure instead of having to do like 15 POSin a system, even if that single structure is harder to kill)

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