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SKiNNiEH
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Posted - 2004.07.24 22:40:00 -
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Yep.. the Arma holds a special place in SKiNNiEH's heart :)
When you do get an apoc, contact me a for a nice setup, called: The SKiNNiEH/Elfman(tm) setup.
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SKiNNiEH
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Posted - 2004.07.24 22:40:00 -
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Yep.. the Arma holds a special place in SKiNNiEH's heart :)
When you do get an apoc, contact me a for a nice setup, called: The SKiNNiEH/Elfman(tm) setup.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2004.07.25 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: StinkFinger on 25/07/2004 01:55:54
 Originally by: Alowishus
Edited by: Alowishus on 24/07/2004 07:11:41
Edited by: Alowishus on 24/07/2004 07:11:10
Originally by: StinkFinger
Are 2 repairers worth the damage nerf you'll take since you have to use those lame dual beams?
Nope.
Well on my setup I have no problems taking out 1 mil isk rats with radio crystals. What you should do is take the damage modifier and ROF of my named guns, factor in my two heatsink 2s, and my skills and then figure out if I am doing more DOT with my seven Dual Modal Beams than you are with a Tach/Mega Beam setup, your skills and your single heatsink. Then get back to me.
That was my old setup. It didn't work. I changed it to the setup that I mentioned a few posts earlier, which I'll repeat again:
7 mega pulse
1 mwd
1 cap recharger
1 Tracking computer
1 large rep
1 hardener geared towards the rats you're hunting
1 tech 2 heat sink
5 cap relays
..which will outdamage 7 dual heavies with 2 heatsinks any day of the week.
ATM, I'm thinking of switching a cpr for another heatsink...probably wait until I get my cap recharge skill to 5.
EDIT: You can also tank up to the 1mil rats without a problem.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2004.07.25 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: StinkFinger on 25/07/2004 01:55:54
Originally by: Alowishus
Edited by: Alowishus on 24/07/2004 07:11:41
Edited by: Alowishus on 24/07/2004 07:11:10
Originally by: StinkFinger
Are 2 repairers worth the damage nerf you'll take since you have to use those lame dual beams?
Nope.
Well on my setup I have no problems taking out 1 mil isk rats with radio crystals. What you should do is take the damage modifier and ROF of my named guns, factor in my two heatsink 2s, and my skills and then figure out if I am doing more DOT with my seven Dual Modal Beams than you are with a Tach/Mega Beam setup, your skills and your single heatsink. Then get back to me.
That was my old setup. It didn't work. I changed it to the setup that I mentioned a few posts earlier, which I'll repeat again:
7 mega pulse
1 mwd
1 cap recharger
1 Tracking computer
1 large rep
1 hardener geared towards the rats you're hunting
1 tech 2 heat sink
5 cap relays
..which will outdamage 7 dual heavies with 2 heatsinks any day of the week.
ATM, I'm thinking of switching a cpr for another heatsink...probably wait until I get my cap recharge skill to 5.
EDIT: You can also tank up to the 1mil rats without a problem.
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agentsmitty
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Posted - 2004.07.25 03:40:00 -
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i use 1 large repairor and 2 hardners with mega pulse, i can take down 2x750k rats, by the time the 1st is down my armor is at about 50-60%, but when he goes down my armor stays recharges back up to 100%, i also took out 2 1mil scorps but from my experience 750k ravens deal more damage.
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agentsmitty
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Posted - 2004.07.25 03:40:00 -
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i use 1 large repairor and 2 hardners with mega pulse, i can take down 2x750k rats, by the time the 1st is down my armor is at about 50-60%, but when he goes down my armor stays recharges back up to 100%, i also took out 2 1mil scorps but from my experience 750k ravens deal more damage.
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Nihilist
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Posted - 2004.07.29 13:13:00 -
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StinkFiner:
I calculated your setup but I dont get it to work...you state:
pwr-grid: 20625
cpu: 562.50
7 x mega pulse = 17500 grid 280 cpu
1 x large rep = 2000 grid 47 cpu
1 x mwd = 1250 grid 75 cpu
Total grid = 20750 before anything else....
Do I make a mistake ? I land 125 grid short on this setup...
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Nihilist
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Posted - 2004.07.29 13:13:00 -
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StinkFiner:
I calculated your setup but I dont get it to work...you state:
pwr-grid: 20625
cpu: 562.50
7 x mega pulse = 17500 grid 280 cpu
1 x large rep = 2000 grid 47 cpu
1 x mwd = 1250 grid 75 cpu
Total grid = 20750 before anything else....
Do I make a mistake ? I land 125 grid short on this setup...
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:23:00 -
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Swap a cpr with a pdu.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2004.07.29 17:23:00 -
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Swap a cpr with a pdu.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Swap a cpr with a pdu.
You keep coming up with setups that 1) won't work well or 2) don't fit. Do you even try these setups as you say or are you just pulling this stuff out of your ass? I think you are some n00b that has been playing for 3 months and you don't know what you are talking about. Do you even have an Armageddon?
N00bs should be asking questions, not giving answers.
Thanks.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.07.29 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Swap a cpr with a pdu.
You keep coming up with setups that 1) won't work well or 2) don't fit. Do you even try these setups as you say or are you just pulling this stuff out of your ass? I think you are some n00b that has been playing for 3 months and you don't know what you are talking about. Do you even have an Armageddon?
N00bs should be asking questions, not giving answers.
Thanks.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
StinkFinger
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Posted - 2004.07.31 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: StinkFinger
Swap a cpr with a pdu.
You keep coming up with setups that 1) won't work well or 2) don't fit. Do you even try these setups as you say or are you just pulling this stuff out of your ass? I think you are some n00b that has been playing for 3 months and you don't know what you are talking about. Do you even have an Armageddon?
N00bs should be asking questions, not giving answers.
Thanks.
Well I use an afterburner on that setup, not a mwd...threw off the calculations a bit there.
Point is, your setup is lame.
Mine rocks.
Deal with it.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2004.07.31 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: StinkFinger
Swap a cpr with a pdu.
You keep coming up with setups that 1) won't work well or 2) don't fit. Do you even try these setups as you say or are you just pulling this stuff out of your ass? I think you are some n00b that has been playing for 3 months and you don't know what you are talking about. Do you even have an Armageddon?
N00bs should be asking questions, not giving answers.
Thanks.
Well I use an afterburner on that setup, not a mwd...threw off the calculations a bit there.
Point is, your setup is lame.
Mine rocks.
Deal with it.
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Ascy
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Posted - 2004.07.31 16:43:00 -
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Hi, i think the Armagedon is very usefull npc killer :-)
I have fit 3 Anode Mega Beams and 4 Modulated Heavy Beams.
In the Med Slots i use a MWD, Tracking Computer 2 and a Sensor Booster.
In my Low Slots i use a Rolled Thungesten,Large Repper, thermal Hardener (Blood Pirates), Heat Sink 2 and some Cap power relays.
And i use Med Drones, i can put 25 of them in my drone space and have no problem if one of the drones while destroyed by some NPC.
So the armagedon is a perfekt npc killer and i have no problem to kill spawns within 2 BS and some Cruiser.
Die Seelenjõger
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Ascy
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Posted - 2004.07.31 16:43:00 -
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Hi, i think the Armagedon is very usefull npc killer :-)
I have fit 3 Anode Mega Beams and 4 Modulated Heavy Beams.
In the Med Slots i use a MWD, Tracking Computer 2 and a Sensor Booster.
In my Low Slots i use a Rolled Thungesten,Large Repper, thermal Hardener (Blood Pirates), Heat Sink 2 and some Cap power relays.
And i use Med Drones, i can put 25 of them in my drone space and have no problem if one of the drones while destroyed by some NPC.
So the armagedon is a perfekt npc killer and i have no problem to kill spawns within 2 BS and some Cruiser.
Die Seelenjõger
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.31 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: mahhy on 31/07/2004 17:15:25
Originally by: SKiNNiEH
2 large acco's and 3 hardeners (what i'm running for a while now) is a dream. 2x thermic 1x EM, which give 80% resistance to both and is good for sansha's and bloods (my part of space).
Btw, what that other guy said that one repairer with some hardeners is enough.. no way, unless you keep MWD'ing out of their (the npc's) optimal, but once you get webbed by a "1x 1.5mil 2x 1mil and some frigates", or stumble on a commander you're in serious trouble.
Imo, the apoc is the only one that can tank that nicely and still pack the punch needed to kill the spawn. With an arma, choices have to be made due to cap: go for damage or go for tank.
Well, opinions aside, the arma can easily tank that spawn. Using a 2x Large Rep, and 1x Em, 1x Therm hardner setup. I've tanked larger spawns than that, solo in my Arma, and taken them down. That including some Commander spawns such as:
- 1x True Sansha Dark Lord (5mill)
- 2x Sansha Lords (1mill?)
- 2 cruiser, 4 frigs.
And some other variations on that theme with True Sansha Dread Lords (5.5mill) etc. Normal spawns of Tyrants (1.5) and Lord / Beast Lords / whatever are easy as pie.
I find the key to the Arma is not to **** around with damage mods, but make sure you have cap, cap and more cap available. On any Arma NPC setup you must be able to run all your guns, all your hardners and ONE large repairer infinitely. If you can't you die really. The second repairer is there to play catch up when needed.
edit: setup posted on the previous page.. d'oh! 
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.31 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: mahhy on 31/07/2004 17:15:25
Originally by: SKiNNiEH
2 large acco's and 3 hardeners (what i'm running for a while now) is a dream. 2x thermic 1x EM, which give 80% resistance to both and is good for sansha's and bloods (my part of space).
Btw, what that other guy said that one repairer with some hardeners is enough.. no way, unless you keep MWD'ing out of their (the npc's) optimal, but once you get webbed by a "1x 1.5mil 2x 1mil and some frigates", or stumble on a commander you're in serious trouble.
Imo, the apoc is the only one that can tank that nicely and still pack the punch needed to kill the spawn. With an arma, choices have to be made due to cap: go for damage or go for tank.
Well, opinions aside, the arma can easily tank that spawn. Using a 2x Large Rep, and 1x Em, 1x Therm hardner setup. I've tanked larger spawns than that, solo in my Arma, and taken them down. That including some Commander spawns such as:
- 1x True Sansha Dark Lord (5mill)
- 2x Sansha Lords (1mill?)
- 2 cruiser, 4 frigs.
And some other variations on that theme with True Sansha Dread Lords (5.5mill) etc. Normal spawns of Tyrants (1.5) and Lord / Beast Lords / whatever are easy as pie.
I find the key to the Arma is not to **** around with damage mods, but make sure you have cap, cap and more cap available. On any Arma NPC setup you must be able to run all your guns, all your hardners and ONE large repairer infinitely. If you can't you die really. The second repairer is there to play catch up when needed.
edit: setup posted on the previous page.. d'oh!
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.07.31 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Point is, your setup is lame.
Mine rocks.
Deal with it.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.07.31 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: StinkFinger
Point is, your setup is lame.
Mine rocks.
Deal with it.
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Archfish
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Posted - 2004.07.31 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Archfish on 31/07/2004 19:39:51
So how effective are these setups on rats that tank em and thermal? I'm thinking specifically Arch Angel Seraphims. Are people still able to solo large archangel spawns, as opposed to other types which are more vulnerable to your damage?
Thanks
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"We will fly at their death cannons and clog them with wreckage"
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Archfish
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Posted - 2004.07.31 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Archfish on 31/07/2004 19:39:51
So how effective are these setups on rats that tank em and thermal? I'm thinking specifically Arch Angel Seraphims. Are people still able to solo large archangel spawns, as opposed to other types which are more vulnerable to your damage?
Thanks
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"We will fly at their death cannons and clog them with wreckage"
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Bubba1977
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Posted - 2004.07.31 21:06:00 -
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Amarr ships do not handle angel spawns well. Not worth the effort, especially since they drop projectile guns...which currently suck major as$.
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Bubba1977
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Posted - 2004.07.31 21:06:00 -
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Amarr ships do not handle angel spawns well. Not worth the effort, especially since they drop projectile guns...which currently suck major as$.
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Spaja Saist
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Posted - 2004.08.01 23:42:00 -
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What about using Energized membranes instead of hardeners. It's 32.5% instead of 50% but no cap drain and less cpu to fit them.
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Spaja Saist
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Posted - 2004.08.01 23:42:00 -
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What about using Energized membranes instead of hardeners. It's 32.5% instead of 50% but no cap drain and less cpu to fit them.
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Sabesto
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Posted - 2004.08.02 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Spaja Saist
What about using Energized membranes instead of hardeners. It's 32.5% instead of 50% but no cap drain and less cpu to fit them.
Think about the extra damage u got to deal with.
it will make u run repairs more often = more cap usage
i must admit that i have not bothered to sit down and calculate this, maybe i will do that some day
it may not be a bad idea thou, anyway i will keep my 50% hardners fitted.........
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Sabesto
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Posted - 2004.08.02 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Spaja Saist
What about using Energized membranes instead of hardeners. It's 32.5% instead of 50% but no cap drain and less cpu to fit them.
Think about the extra damage u got to deal with.
it will make u run repairs more often = more cap usage
i must admit that i have not bothered to sit down and calculate this, maybe i will do that some day
it may not be a bad idea thou, anyway i will keep my 50% hardners fitted.........
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Orine
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Posted - 2004.08.02 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: SKiNNiEH
Yep.. the Arma holds a special place in SKiNNiEH's heart :)
When you do get an apoc, contact me a for a nice setup, called: The SKiNNiEH/Elfman(tm) setup.
What¦s your apoc setup? I recently got an Apoc and I¦m would like too see a good setup....
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Orine
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Posted - 2004.08.02 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: SKiNNiEH
Yep.. the Arma holds a special place in SKiNNiEH's heart :)
When you do get an apoc, contact me a for a nice setup, called: The SKiNNiEH/Elfman(tm) setup.
What¦s your apoc setup? I recently got an Apoc and I¦m would like too see a good setup....
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