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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 16/01/2009 00:05:57
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Murina
That is why solo pvpers lose ships occasionally, they cannot adapt if the target ship is not setup with the standard "i can beat it solo" fit...
You do not pvp you just scout for available targets you know you can proly beat.
What do you mean they cannot adapt if the target ship is not setup with the standard? You want to switch fittings in mid fight?
Exactly my point, a well setup gang can adapt to a situation, while solo fighting is totally about if the ship you are fighting is fitted so your fitting and ship can beat it or not.
A unexpected fitting and the solo player dies cos as i said he already knows what ships and standard fits he can beat.
That is not pvp it is target selection for easy kills. |
Jonas Barcal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
What do you mean they cannot adapt if the target ship is not setup with the standard? You want to switch fittings in mid fight?
I'd assume it means the larger the group the more variety of setup in the fleet allowing flexibility in offence/defence that you can't get in a solo ship.
*** While personally I'm not much into solo stuff I appreciate those who try.
As a general rule tho I'll bring a kitchen sink and a nuclear weapon to a fist fight if I can |
Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:07:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
1. This has nothing to do with stacking penalty.
Sure it has, the difference between 10 jammers and 9 jammers in this same scenario is of 4%, while the difference in effectivety between 1 jammer and 2 would be of 87%.
Can you see the benefits decreasing as the number of jammers increase? ECMs have natural stack penalties. Those penalties may not be strong enough for YOUR tastes, but they DO exist.
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2. The 3xSBs is just an example, dont be so anal.
Your example was about 3 SB in a frigate. It is impossible to fit 3 SB in a frigate and in MOST CRUISERS, without completely gimping them. So what is exactly the point of your example? Do you want to show that if you totally gimp yourself, sensor dampeners can't gimp you much further? Well done!
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3. 10km frigs are not useless. Did you get that memo about QR and web nerfs? You fail.
10 km lock frigs without ANYTHING BUT SB in their mids actually are COMPLETELY useless.
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Just admit that you were wrong. ECM DOES NOT HAVE A STACKING PENALTY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND OR DO I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU ONE MORE TIME?
Read above for your continuing education. |
Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Exactly my point, a well setup gang can adapt to a situation, while solo fighting is totally about if the ship you are fighting is fitted so you can beat it or not.
A unexpected fitting and the solo player dies cos as i said he already knows what ships and standard fits he can beat.
That is not pvp it is target selection for easy kills.
Sorry but a mixed fleet is less skill. Why? Because it CAN kill any encounter as long as it is big enough. Yeah good skill. We all know blobbing is the best tactic to win, sad thing is that you are proud of it. A little memo for ya also: Solo pvpers win alot of engagements eventhough they have non optimal fits and non optimal engagement terms. How you call that less skill then blobbing is beyond me. |
Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:08:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
10 km lock frigs without ANYTHING BUT SB in their mids actually are COMPLETELY useless.
That's not what you said. You said a 10km frig is useless. |
Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Your example was about 3 SB in a frigate. It is impossible to fit 3 SB in a frigate and in MOST CRUISERS, without completely gimping them. So what is exactly the point of your example? Do you want to show that if you totally gimp yourself, sensor dampeners can't gimp you much further? Well done!
The core point still holds if you fit one single sensor booster. Allthough I'm not surpised that you are not capable of understanding this. One single SB will help to certain degree against 1000 damps. It will boost your lock range by noticable amount.
One ECCM will not do you jack good against 1000 ECM. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? IS THIS DIFFICULT? |
Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:13:00 -
[427]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
10 km lock frigs without ANYTHING BUT SB in their mids actually are COMPLETELY useless.
That's not what you said. You said a 10km frig is useless.
What I said is a 10 km frig using 3 SBs (I actually made a type and wrote 2). After all I had no motive at all to refer to any frig but the comedy one you proposed.
If you didn't understand that is just one more thing you don't understand, no big deal as your collection is quite large.
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:15:00 -
[428]
Edited by: Murina on 16/01/2009 00:16:24
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Sorry but a mixed fleet is less skill. Why? Because it CAN kill any encounter as long as it is big enough. Yeah good skill. We all know blobbing is the best tactic to win, sad thing is that you are proud of it.
I never said anything about blobbing i was refering to fighting equal and greater numbers. But as per usual you try to troll and manipulate your way out of a ass kicking...
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Solo pvpers win alot of engagements even though they have non optimal fits and non optimal engagement terms.
Solo pvpers roam around looking for ratters (you know the guys with no tackle/web lol) or sit waiting travelers.....so real hard targets, and they still lose ship when faced with summat fitted differently that they expected.
A good pvp gang roams around looking for or provoking corps/alliances into sending pvp fitted gangs after them, then using team work and skill to kick ass. |
Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 16/01/2009 00:25:36
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong The core point still holds if you fit one single sensor booster. Allthough I'm not surpised that you are not capable of understanding this. One single SB will help to certain degree against 1000 damps. It will boost your lock range by noticable amount.
Sure and this degree would be...? Oh let me tell you, in our nice malediction example that is about 4.5 km. Niiiice target range!!!!!
And bear in mind that dampeners are THE worst form of EW at the moment, god help you if you start comparing trackign disruptor effectiveness, where ONE tracking disruptor can't be countered by any number of tracking modules.
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One ECCM will not do you jack good against 1000 ECM. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? IS THIS DIFFICULT?
It will. Actually the more ECM that are thrown at you the better an ECCM module gets. For 1000 ECMs Your chances of NOT BEING JAMMED improve around 10^32 times if you have an ECCM fitted. |
Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
A good pvp gang roams around looking for or provoking corps/alliances into sending pvp fitted gangs after them, then using team work and skill to kick ass.
But that is not what you do. |
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:26:00 -
[431]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Murina
A good pvp gang roams around looking for or provoking corps/alliances into sending pvp fitted gangs after them, then using team work and skill to kick ass.
But that is not what you do.
Its exactly what i do and have done for a very long time, a solo noob and carebear ganker like you could never understand high spec pvp and the naivety of your posting makes that obvious. |
Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:27:00 -
[432]
Originally by: Murina
Its exactly what i do and have done for a very long time, a solo noob and carebear ganker like you could never understand high spec pvp and the naivety of your posting makes that obvious.
No one is buying your "skill". Why? You don't have anything to show. Empty perpetual babble.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:29:00 -
[433]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Murina
Its exactly what i do and have done for a very long time, a solo noob and carebear ganker like you could never understand high spec pvp and the naivety of your posting makes that obvious.
No one is buying your "skill". Why? You don't have anything to show. Empty perpetual babble.
Hey focus in the discussion, I want to see how many absurdities you still have in storage. =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:31:00 -
[434]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Murina
Its exactly what i do and have done for a very long time, a solo noob and carebear ganker like you could never understand high spec pvp and the naivety of your posting makes that obvious.
ad hominem
Any body reading your posts sees how noob you are i do not need to point it out, il just stay on topic i think.
So tell us more about how you "perma" jam 3-4 BS in your falcon, or how you think its a good idea to split fit racial's between 2 falcons in 10 man gangs.....
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Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:32:00 -
[435]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Hey focus in the discussion, I want to see how many absurdities you still have in storage.
Easy to say I got the biggest house when you don't even show a picture of it. Sry but I smell alot of bull**** from both of you.
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:36:00 -
[436]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Hey focus in the discussion, I want to see how many absurdities you still have in storage.
Easy to say I got the biggest house when you don't even show a picture of it. Sry but I smell alot of bull**** from both of you.
If you cannot discount the posting try to discount the poster hey pal????....
Come on tell us more about you perma jamming all those multiple BS in your falcon again i need a laugh....
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Christari Zuborov
Amarr Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:38:00 -
[437]
*snip - Mitnal* |
Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:45:00 -
[438]
*snip - Mitnal* |
Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel Truth is, you are a small button presser.
Truth is that you have no skill. You think I'm gonna be bullied by your little special people squad? Don't make me laugh.
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CCP Mitnal
C C P CCP
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:48:00 -
[440]
Cleaned.
Please stay on-topic, discussing other players' posting style is not on-topic.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email |
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Jonas Barcal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Truth is that you have no skill.
Truth is skill doesn't matter if you lose..
MMO bring friends solo might not be dead yet but we're trying
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Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:55:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Jonas Barcal
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Truth is that you have no skill.
Truth is skill doesn't matter if you lose..
MMO bring friends solo might not be dead yet but we're trying
I don't lose. My kill stats are quite positive.
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Jonas Barcal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 00:56:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
I don't lose. My kill stats are quite positive.
Give it time. The numbers game gets them all in the end
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:00:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: Jonas Barcal
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Truth is that you have no skill.
Truth is skill doesn't matter if you lose..
MMO bring friends solo might not be dead yet but we're trying
I don't lose. My kill stats are quite positive.
Solo ganking nubs and carebears who do not even have tackle fitted so even if you get into trouble you can bail is hardly summat to be proud of, or particularly skillful..... |
Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:01:00 -
[445]
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
I don't lose. My kill stats are quite positive.
Positive as in ganking a lot of people to get a good K/D ratio? When was the last time you won an even fight? Let me guess, you don't even remember it... |
Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:03:00 -
[446]
Originally by: Murina
Solo ganking nubs and carebears who do not even have tackle fitted so even if you get into trouble you can bail is hardly summat to be proud of, or particularly skillful.....
Wait so solo is harder then what you do? You sit in a gang of 20 and kill one ship. Humor me and show me 10 of your kills that is not a gank. You can't. Why? Because you are full of it. GO away. |
Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:04:00 -
[447]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
I don't lose. My kill stats are quite positive.
Positive as in ganking a lot of people to get a good K/D ratio? When was the last time you won an even fight? Let me guess, you don't even remember it...
Uhm I win even fights. How about you? Show us 10 even fights. Come on, with several years of playing you must be able to show 10 leet kills. You sure talk like you have alot of them. Show us your skill. You can't I bet. Why? Because you are full of it. Go play tough amongst special people, you might succeed if you are lucky. Here, you are out of luck. |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Wait so solo is harder then what you do?
Nope solo is target selection...thats it.
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong You sit in a gang of 20 and kill one ship.
Actually 20 man gangs are a bit larger than i like, upto a max of around 10 is preferable as with the right setup it has good alpha/dps for hit and run against larger gangs while also not being to blobby and uncontrollable.
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:17:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 16/01/2009 01:21:54
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Wait so solo is harder then what you do?
No solo is math and fitting for a specific target/ship type...here listen to somebody who claims to be a expert...
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
This is a cruiser killer fit and it has a fighting chance against ceptors aswell.
I know how to ****ing fit a pure anti inty crusader.
Problem is that the anti inty fit is absolutely crap against cruisers and AFs.
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Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.16 03:07:00 -
[450]
Originally by: Murina
No solo is math and fitting for a specific target/ship type...here listen to somebody who claims to be a expert...
My records are in the open for everyone to see. Unlike your leet skills that we only "hear" about. You fail troll. |
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