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RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:02:00 - [1] Tolle. 30+ Mackinaws in local, all in the single Ice belt there, with Macro'esque names and 'players' that don't respond to convo (i know what you were about to say, don't please.) and reside exclusively in NPC corps. They fly in gangs of 4 or more with each member within 1k of another, they move from one GSC to another with the cans anchored in a line that following the entirety of the belt. Every 3 minutes an itty 5 warps in to the bottom can, emptys it and warps back to the same station it left from. 3 minutes later it warps back into the belt but to the can next up the chain. Apparently, according to the few legit miners left there, this is the norm for that system and the operation is almost constant. Isnt it about time all ice got moved to Lowsec?
Trogglodite	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:08:00 - [2] No. Why should I become pirate fodder just so that I can feed my POS because you don't like the fact that others are abusing macro's. Don't like it? Get in there, smart bomb them, play bowling, whatever - but don't suggest that everyone mining ice is a macro'er and throw them all to the pirates to please yourself.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:12:00 - [3] Amazing description of the way any normal player group in eve would organize and run an ice mining op in one of the last places in high sec to gather pos fuel materials.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:12:00 - [4] Interesting, I'm going to send an alt there tonight to get some of that free ice. Where's the issue?
ollobrains2 Gallente New Eve Order Holdings	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:14:00 - [5] get free ice harass them for a few hours petition them once a day etc ccp should make all npc corp members over 3 months old sign up automatically for factional warfare. Make em killable at least
Gnomes Rock	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Trogglodite No. Why should I become pirate fodder just so that I can feed my POS because you don't like the fact that others are abusing macro's. Don't like it? Get in there, smart bomb them, play bowling, whatever - but don't suggest that everyone mining ice is a macro'er and throw them all to the pirates to please yourself. Smartbombing won;t kill a mackinaw in a 0.7 system after the CONCORD buffs. Suicide ganking singularly probably wouldn;t be effective without loads of pilots either, and the constant ratting to keep sec status up (again, since the chnages) ruins the whole diea of cleaning up macro'ers yourself. So, what now? =s
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Trogglodite Why should I become pirate fodder just so that I can feed my POS because you don't like the fact that others are abusing macro's. because others are abusing macro's.
Captain Pompous	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:32:00 - [8] Originally by: RedSplat with Macro'esque names and 'players' that don't respond to convo (i know what you were about to say, don't please.) I'm going to say it: maybe they just dont want to talk to some RANDOM unknown person who convos them from local out of the blue. And why should they, frankly, given the level of sanity and decorum the EVE playerbase generally possesses. Also, you're straying too far from your remit. I'd suggest in future that you stick to your Dodixie-Aunia-Auvergne Bermuda Triangle
Raneru Euphoria Released	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Gnomes Rock Smartbombing won;t kill a mackinaw in a 0.7 system after the CONCORD buffs. Suicide ganking singularly probably wouldn;t be effective without loads of pilots either, and the constant ratting to keep sec status up (again, since the chnages) ruins the whole diea of cleaning up macro'ers yourself. So, what now? =s Don't buy isk?
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:50:00 - [10] You know what's interesting here is the fact that this entire discussion is based off of double standards. CONCORD was buffed because players were suicide ganking players all the time, thereby penalizing suicide gankers. Now ice will not be moved to lowsec, which would penalize ice miners because players are exploiting macros. Hmm.. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com

Roderak Pleem Minmatar Abandoned Land	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:54:00 - [11] I was doing some roaming a month or so ago.. checking out some systems in minmatar space I hadn't been to. Hit a high sec dead end system, 40-50 names in local, most, but not all were gibberish names. The number of ppl in local was unusual for the systems I had just been through (between 0 and 10 ppl) Then I noticed there was an ice belt in the system, so I fly over to check it out. I see three groups of ships. Each group was 1 orca, 8 mackinaws, and 1 itty V flying back and forth to a local station. (there could have been two itty V's per group, one in transit) There was about 80km between the groups, so they didnt step on each others toes..I didnt see any GSC's in this op. You could definitely 'bowl' with these groups of ships.. the orca literally surrounded my 8 mackinaws. Each mackinaw hitting a different piece of ice. I didnt do the math.. but the amount of ice they were mining must have been staggering. Quite an operation. That seems where mining is going.. Do you think we have some stripped belts now? we haven't seen anything yet. lol. Regards, Rod
ToTheCore Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.14 22:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Captain Pompous I'm going to say it: maybe they just dont want to talk to some RANDOM unknown person who convos them from local out of the blue. I can understand where you're coming from with this, but that would make more sense with regards to players with names that don't look like someone had a seizure on the keyboard. I don't think most players in EVE like having characters named pnoxjqz.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.14 23:09:00 - [13] Edited by: Zeba on 14/01/2009 23:10:12 Originally by: ToTheCore Originally by: Captain Pompous I'm going to say it: maybe they just dont want to talk to some RANDOM unknown person who convos them from local out of the blue. I can understand where you're coming from with this, but that would make more sense with regards to players with names that don't look like someone had a seizure on the keyboard. I don't think most players in EVE like having characters named pnoxjqz. Ok look at it from this point of view. Lots of people in high sec need pos fuel. Lots of people in eve like to greif miners. Miners get all concentrated into a single belt in a single system due to the high sec ice field nerf so you can easily have 80+ people there. Certain miners being alts of pvp/manufactoring corps who need pos fuel get the lulz idea of naming all thier new ice miner alts lkasjhdfs and such just to be annoying because they know it is annoying. They then log onto the forum GD where much lulz ensued. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
No Class	Posted - 2009.01.14 23:14:00 - [14] Can a low skilled pilot in a frigate or cheap cruiser take down a Mackinaw? How many Mackinaws can you destroy before your not alowed in the system?
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.01.14 23:16:00 - [15] Originally by: No Class Can a low skilled pilot in a frigate or cheap cruiser take down a Mackinaw? How many Mackinaws can you destroy before your not alowed in the system? Actually not too many as a mackinaw fitted to mine ice has no grid or cpu left for any type of tank. Been a standing complaint for ages. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Molly Mayhem Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.14 23:18:00 - [16] Edited by: Molly Mayhem on 14/01/2009 23:18:16 Originally by: No Class Can a low skilled pilot in a frigate or cheap cruiser take down a Mackinaw? How many Mackinaws can you destroy before your not alowed in the system? Military analysts are calling this a CONCORDOKKEN.
No Class	Posted - 2009.01.14 23:23:00 - [17] Concordokken..................Do you get to destroy your target before you are concordokkened?
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.01.14 23:24:00 - [18] Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 14/01/2009 23:24:34 Originally by: RedSplat Tolle. 30+ Mackinaws in local, all in the single Ice belt there, with Macro'esque names and 'players' that don't respond to convo and reside exclusively in NPC corps. So because 99% of the chat's I've recieved from randoms have been exclusively "Help me in my mission please" scams, begging, other spam, or all of the above, I'm labelled a macro for ignoring the unwashed? And further heightened by my presence in an NPC corp obviously not being because I've had an utter bar of being told what to do by player-run corps and alliances who think they have some right to "expect" me to do what they say despite my RL commitment issues? oh, and Quote: (i know what you were about to say, don't please.) just shows that you're ignorant of the facts that discredit what you say. Quote: They fly in gangs of 4 or more with each member within 1k of another, they move from one GSC to another with the cans anchored in a line that following the entirety of the belt. When I fly to a belt in my mack, it's hard not to be within 1k of another player since we all warp in to the same spot at 0. And what's wrong with me using a secure can? Quote: Every 3 minutes an itty 5 warps in to the bottom can, emptys it and warps back to the same station it left from. 3 minutes later it warps back into the belt but to the can next up the chain. Obviously a macro in use there, because real players aren't capable of coordinating bookmarks labelled 'can 1','can 2' and 'can 3' Quote: Isnt it about time all ice got moved to Lowsec? Because Hi sec POS shouldn't exist right? If you feel the miners are a problem, go pop them, you've got the tools at your disposal.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.14 23:25:00 - [19] I hate to say it but IMO the bigger jackass in the PvP transaction that is suicide anti-macro PvP is the legitimate player. Killing macro miners does nothing. At all. They have a bottomless pool of ISK to replace their ships, they don't lose more than a few minutes of their time because all they have to do is grab another ship and reactivate the macro, there are hundreds of them at work across various systems protected by buffed CONCORD and NPC corp mechanics, the RL companies they work for probably have a plethora of idle accounts skilled up for mining to replace accounts that get successfully petitioned. To kill one just to say you did it is one thing, but smartbombing a gang of them and their pods is just silly (unless you're just trying to run down your sec status.)
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.01.15 00:30:00 - [20] Fair Game is easily one of the dumbest movies I ever saw.

Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.15 00:43:00 - [21] I've tried to splork mackinaws in .7 post concord buff in a gank fit thorax and failed miserably. Now granted, I don't have gallente cruiser V. But I do have appropriate blaster spec, drone interfacing V, blah blah blah. Even a typically fit mack is going to weigh in at about 4000-5000 EHP. Which means an "all Vs" guy may kill it in the 10 seconds you get in .5. In .7, forget it. IMO you'll need at least two cruisers to have a shot at it. Which means that much more organization and grinding to get your sec rating back. Not a problem for people with good 0.0 access, but a major stumbling block for the rest of us. Forget it. Let them mine their little automated butts off. Increased productivity just means lower prices on empire ice. Alternatively shoot me a note, I may be bored and in the area. A blastheron may be crap -- but it can still gank mackinaws.
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.01.15 00:57:00 - [22] Quote: IMO you'll need at least two cruisers to have a shot at it. Which means that much more organization and grinding to get your sec rating back. Not a problem for people with good 0.0 access, but a major stumbling block for the rest of us. ORCA-bombers have shown that Sec status is not an issue. --- Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Horsemen of Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.01.15 00:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Trogglodite No. Why should I become pirate fodder just so that I can feed my POS because you don't like the fact that others are abusing macro's. Don't like it? Get in there, smart bomb them, play bowling, whatever - but don't suggest that everyone mining ice is a macro'er and throw them all to the pirates to please yourself. i lol'ed Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Horsemen of Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.01.15 00:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Gunnanmon Interesting, I'm going to send an alt there tonight to get some of that free ice. Where's the issue? i agree, if its not to far out of my way, i might head down there Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.15 01:06:00 - [25] I think all mining should be macroized... it's ****ing boring
Hacra Minmatar Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2009.01.15 01:11:00 - [26] A) Free ice, go get it B) Suicide gank 'em
Ocih Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.15 02:35:00 - [27] Oh FFS nerf it all ready. We have enough propaganda threads hating on Ice Macro miners. Reality? Who the hell cares? If you want to make ISK, mine for trit. Remove all the Ice miners running on a macro it will still make you more ISK than Ice. All these double duck dogge BS threads mean nothing. I mined 800 Ice in 3 days without a macro a month ago. I still made my fuel requirements and 100 mill ISK. Why did I stop? It was **IN BORING!! Let them macro the **.
Josh Causto Gallente Fatalix Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:07:00 - [28] Hey lets see, I sure do love low ice prices, and I'm sure CCP love those subscriptions they get from macroers. Nope I don't think CCP will do anything soon.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:38:00 - [29] lol I've started stealing from these guys in Tolle I just grabbed a load of ice in my Prowler but it seems that blue ice sells for **** so I gotta go grab a Mammoth. Do these macroers ever fight back or are they all just afk all the time?
NSSQUAD	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:39:00 - [30] yeah for real F!@K all you macro miners i hate you with a passion. your KOS to me so plz move to low sec



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