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McTard
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:13:00 -
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So the Dev on EVE TV (tourney deal) said "everyone is too rich, ISK is too easy to make so when people lose ships it means nothing." Or something very close to that effect. Then he went on to talk about the (imo wrong headed and out of touch) potential character sp loss mechanic probably coming to T3.
I dunno about him, maybe all his friends are in big allainces with multiple Dyspo moons for income but most regular pvpers I know skate on the edge of poorness, not riches. Even the good ones.
How about you? And your friends? All you all too rich? Is there not enough to risk in EVE?
Would you fly an expensive ship that will cause up to 5 days worth of sp loss when it gets destroyed. If you did use one, would you use it for pvp, or missions, or just pimpness?
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Martin Mckenna
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:14:00 -
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If everyone was mega mega rich then that would reflect in ship prices. So I realy doubt this argument holds up at any level. |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 09/02/2009 01:17:10
At this point in time it's everything I can do just to sc**** the ISK together for my PLEX each month. I'm not rich in any way shape or form.
My goal is to earn enough to pay the PLEX and have a bit of PvP fun each week.
Oh, Martin - ship prices are low due to oversupply, not due to paucity of ISK. |
Yeshua Christ
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:17:00 -
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I believe he was speaking of ease of getting lots of isk, unlike 3 or 4 years ago when it took awhile to amass the money for a BS for example, and this is true. I can get BSes much easier today than I could back in 05. Back then cruiser losses really hurt my wallet. |
Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:18:00 -
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I wouldn't define myself as too rich, there are 2-3 things I still can't afford.  |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:19:00 -
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T1 losses mean little now. T2 losses hurt because the base cost covered by insurance doesn't come close to the ship's market value. T3 losses will hurt because of skill loss (I guess it's one level off a random T3 skill or something... I really only skimmed the thread about it.)
I'm fairly content with those situations as they exist now. The built-in limiting factors on T2 and T3 ensure that T2/3 doesn't become the baseline standard for what people fly if they want to consider themselves respectable players. |
McTard
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:23:00 -
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Edited by: McTard on 09/02/2009 01:25:52
 Originally by: Yeshua Christ
I believe he was speaking of ease of getting lots of isk, unlike 3 or 4 years ago when it took awhile to amass the money for a BS for example, and this is true. I can get BSes much easier today than I could back in 05. Back then cruiser losses really hurt my wallet.
You were also younger, had less sp, and the market likely sucked back then due to a vastly smaller player base.
If he believes we get isk too fast/easy he's admitting to some kinda game risk imballance and thinks T3 and skill loss might help offset that. I think it's wrong. Most guys I know, and I'm even talking 0.0 big corp soldiers, they lose one t2 fittted BS certainly 2 of em and bam they are broke ass and flying Rifters. That aint rich, most people arent rich. |
Shevar
Minmatar
Target Practice incorporated
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: McTard
Originally by: Yeshua Christ
I believe he was speaking of ease of getting lots of isk, unlike 3 or 4 years ago when it took awhile to amass the money for a BS for example, and this is true. I can get BSes much easier today than I could back in 05. Back then cruiser losses really hurt my wallet.
You were also younger, had less sp, and the market likely sucked back then due to a vastly smaller player base.
If he believes we get isk too fast/easy he's admitting to some kinda game imballance and thinks T3 and skill loss might help offset that. I think it's wrong. Most guys I know, and I'm even talking 0.0 big corp soldiers, they lose one t2 fittted BS certainly 2 of em and bam they are broke ass and flying Rifters. That aint rich, most people arent rich.
No back then trit was 1 isk per unit, the best miner was an apoc and level 3 missions weren't more profitable then mining (and level 4 agents weren't around). |
Yeshua Christ
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: McTard
Originally by: Yeshua Christ
I believe he was speaking of ease of getting lots of isk, unlike 3 or 4 years ago when it took awhile to amass the money for a BS for example, and this is true. I can get BSes much easier today than I could back in 05. Back then cruiser losses really hurt my wallet.
You were also younger, had less sp, and the market likely sucked back then due to a vastly smaller player base.
If he believes we get isk too fast/easy he's admitting to some kinda game imballance and thinks T3 and skill loss might help offset that. I think it's wrong. Most guys I know, and I'm even talking 0.0 big corp soldiers, they lose one t2 fittted BS certainly 2 of em and bam they are broke ass and flying Rifters. That aint rich, most people arent rich.
This is true. The devs have also said that they don't want T3 to just up and replace T2 and I see this as a solid way of doing that because of the additional risk. They had to balance it out somehow otherwise everone would just switch to T3 asap. |
Gunzoid
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:28:00 -
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Posting to deny I'm rich.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:29:00 -
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They don't do anything about farmed static plexes in nullsec.
They don't listen to insurance suggestions.
They don't listen to about 50 other suggestions that'd reduce isk ingame.
They employed an ecomonist so what the hell is he doing?
Now they are complaining about it and going to make us pay with their inaction for T3, though it might not turn out to be such a bad idea, waiting and seeing on this one.
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Kendrix Arathan
Minmatar
N00bs With Guns
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: McTard
Most guys I know, and I'm even talking 0.0 big corp soldiers, they lose one t2 fittted BS certainly 2 of em and bam they are broke ass and flying Rifters. That aint rich, most people arent rich.
do you like only know people in Kenny pet corps?
if you can't afford to loose a t2 fitted BS, your doing something wrong, or should not be flying them yet...
Originally by: StevieSG
Verone looks like data from star trek. that is all.
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WarlockX
Amarr
Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:34:00 -
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Posting to confirm you're all too rich. Please send me some money so I can pvp.
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"Nothing about Eve should be easy. Not even ganking."
-Rhohan
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Dotard
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:39:00 -
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Confirming everyone, other than me, is way to rich.
Please send all your isk to McTard and he will ensure it gets evenly distributed umong all players of EvE.
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McTard
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: McTard on 09/02/2009 01:45:45
Originally by: Dotard
Confirming everyone, other than me, is way to rich.
Please send all your isk to McTard and he will ensure it gets evenly distributed umong all players of EvE.
Excellent suggestion. I will even cease further McTard posts untill my money runs out again.
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They don't do anything about farmed static plexes in nullsec.
They don't listen to insurance suggestions.
They don't listen to about 50 other suggestions that'd reduce isk ingame.
They employed an ecomonist so what the hell is he doing?
Now they are complaining about it and going to make us pay with their inaction for T3, though it might not turn out to be such a bad idea, waiting and seeing on this one.
Good points tbh. |
bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:51:00 -
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Dont send them money, send ME money.
I can verify that i never log onto this character, therefore sending me money will effectively remove that isk from the game, permanently.
Fight inflation! Money sent to me is for the betterment of all 
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:00:00 -
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This statement was ridiculous, the dev in question probably wasn't 100% serious or he's out of touch. Today making isk is much harder than before for many professions.
Industrialists for example operate only a few % over mineral costs, t2 production lost a lot of its profitability with invention. The maybe most popular source of income for the average player are missions. Because of lp devaluation (they are worth around 25-30% of what they were worth 2-3 years ago) even the missionrunners make less.
Ofc. there are some people who accumulated huge amounts of isk in the course of the last 5 years, but the average player with less than a year gametime will most likely be poorer than the average player with less than a year gametime 2 years ago.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:05:00 -
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I remember when a t1 cruiser was a big deal, and a battleship was a dream.
I think it took me nearly a month to get the ISK for a good cruiser, and now it takes about 20 minutes.
Yes, ISK is way to easy to come by now.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:17:00 -
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If you know what you're doing, making ISK is laughably easy. Even T1 industry in trade hubs runs good profit margins - if you know what you're doing. |
Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Life is Experience
Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:17:00 -
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I'm sure for most people their balance is right though, they have to "grind" just long enough to get the isk to get the shiny ship in order to use it to blow someone else up on the weekend.
If they want to make T3 an ultra-luxury item for ever they're dreaming, I hope. It's called advancement. Steady, incremental and (sometimes) visible.
What's the point of playing for three years if you're going to do the same thing al.. oh wait.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
I remember when a t1 cruiser was a big deal, and a battleship was a dream.
I think it took me nearly a month to get the ISK for a good cruiser, and now it takes about 20 minutes.
Yes, ISK is way to easy to come by now.
I "only" started in 2005, so never got the feeling for 03-04, but a little comparison..
..when me and my brother started, we both wanted in a battlecruiser. For Amarr, that meant the Prophecy. It cost craploads on the market, and doing the maths on how long time it would take to rat (missioning wasn't profitable), we found out it was actually faster to buy a BPC, mine the minerals ourselves, and have a corpmate build it.
I trained Amarr Industrial 1 (still got that at that level btw), he trained basic barge. He mined, I hauled. We split the income brotherly, and after a few weeks we could proudly build us two Prophecies.
Today you just run the tutorial, bam, 2mil+. Go run a few level 1's, progress to 2's. Train salvage. Bam, day one you have 30mil to buy yourself a BC, alot cheaper than you can build it for anyway. Few days more training and you drive it in level 3's, then you can start the slow learning grind while you mix in some shorter combat skills, and reap in a couple of tens a mil a day.
Hard today?   |
Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Out of Order
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:20:00 -
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100 mil makes me feel uncomfortable and I usually spend it quite quickly...... |
Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Mckenna
If everyone was mega mega rich then that would reflect in ship prices. So I realy doubt this argument holds up at any level.
Prices are only affected by cash supplies if there is a limited supply. For most items, supply outstrips demand significantly. Hence the reason there are thousands of units of most items on the market.
If you look at items that have a very low supply you can see when this comes into play. Such as with many types of officer mods, which costs hundreds of millions of isk, if not billions. They cost so much because they are very rare and the players with big bucks are willing to shell out to put them on faction fitted ships. Also with a lot of tech2 rigs. Tech2 salvage supply is very low, so tech2 rigs are very expensive, also hundreds of millions of isk.
Hammerhead didn't say everyone was rich. He said there are a lot rich players who aren't really affected by a ship loss. In regards to tech2 fitted ships, I would say this is true.
I think this balances things out between rich players and regular players. Instead of ships being an isk sink, they will be a time sink. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Farrellus Cameron
*snip*
Exactly what he said. |
Jim Hazard
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
I remember when a t1 cruiser was a big deal, and a battleship was a dream.
I think it took me nearly a month to get the ISK for a good cruiser, and now it takes about 20 minutes.
Yes, ISK is way to easy to come by now.
This, back in 2003 you had to mine like mad at least a week, to get your first T1 cruiser, not even speaking of how long it took to get the ISK for a battleship (the insurance itself was even hard to afford). And even when you finally had your battleship it still took a long time to get the money for replacement ships, unlike today where you can easily get the money for a Battleship (including rigs and fitting) within 1 day. |
Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:46:00 -
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I'm also poor |
Aeo IV
Amarr
Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:47:00 -
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What exactly is rich?
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:48:00 -
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I have no isk dev is a idiot :( |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
I remember when a t1 cruiser was a big deal, and a battleship was a dream.
I think it took me nearly a month to get the ISK for a good cruiser, and now it takes about 20 minutes.
Yes, ISK is way to easy to come by now.
right but you are in kenzoku!
oh wait, I ran a level 4 in about 20 mins and made around 20million  |
Paul Morphy
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 09/02/2009 01:17:10
At this point in time it's everything I can do just to sc**** the ISK together for my PLEX each month. I'm not rich in any way shape or form.
My goal is to earn enough to pay the PLEX and have a bit of PvP fun each week.
Oh, Martin - ship prices are low due to oversupply, not due to paucity of ISK.
You said "scr.ape". |
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