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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.17 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Frools
Originally by: Xendie
also the geddon doesnt have any tank when using megapulses to do enough dmg. and this is where you scream and spout that it shouldnt have it either, i say why does the Dominix do comparable dmg while tanking then?
domi doesnt do comparable damage to a geddon... zealot outdamages a domi in raw dps its not damage that makes the domi great its the combination of decent damage, nos and ew geddon needs a little bit of cpu if anything, aside from that its fine and it rocks
domi does about same dmg and tanks well and can use ECM at the same time. why cant amarr atleast be able to fit a rack of megapulses with no engineering mods? if to fit a tank also then engineering mods should be needed. atm this is not the case.
Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2006.06.17 14:03:00 -
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not all ships are meant to do pure dmg or fit all roles.
The arma is an excellent ship when it comes to medium range instant dmg and ability to join in fleetbattles. No other tier 1 bs disputes those 2 fields anywhere close.
The scorpion is ew king and the domi is a mix of ew/nos/drones lets call it closerange king. Typhoon is still in the air but it has potential.
I wouldnt say in this comparison the arma does badly, fitting mods or not.
As for the other shipclasses, there is only 4 "ranks" between caldari gallente, minmatar and amarr. So surely ull lose and win some. Especially if u look at different situations or different tasks a ship can be used in. Amarr lost mining and tanking to barges and t2 ships available to all races that was a huge drawback. However i guess most ppl can survive by only flying Crusader, Malediction, Armas, Zealots, Prophecies, Arbitrators, Revelations, Archons amd Curse / Pilgrims. Not like the rest of the ships are actually a must.
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Scary Noises
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Posted - 2006.06.17 15:49:00 -
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Is having a Tier One Battleship usable in fleets really that big a deal? If someone can effectively use a battleship in the first place then is extra 40 mil or whatever that big of a deal? Just seems like a trivial thing. |
Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.06.17 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Spartan239 on 17/06/2006 17:42:24
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Frools
Originally by: Xendie
also the geddon doesnt have any tank when using megapulses to do enough dmg. and this is where you scream and spout that it shouldnt have it either, i say why does the Dominix do comparable dmg while tanking then?
domi doesnt do comparable damage to a geddon... zealot outdamages a domi in raw dps its not damage that makes the domi great its the combination of decent damage, nos and ew geddon needs a little bit of cpu if anything, aside from that its fine and it rocks
domi does about same dmg and tanks well and can use ECM at the same time.
so apoc does 500dps max with megapulse, because unless you fit dual 250's and sheild tank (obselte with uber jamming) you wont get it any higher and to those saying the domi is an uber nosser, all it can fit with most setups with 2 hvy nos because it doesnt have an abandunce of powergrid so stop saying it can nos more
Originally by: Tamora its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
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Lavondyss
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Posted - 2006.06.17 17:48:00 -
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WTB: Dev with a timely response to an overdue matter. Will pay good isk or trade Caldari ships in return for said response. Open convo........
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El Ponja
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Posted - 2006.06.17 23:40:00 -
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*signed*
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Madcat Adams
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Posted - 2006.06.18 01:28:00 -
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*sighned*
Will contribute a pack of smokes of choice to first dev to post up a response so we have some idea of their thoughts on the matter.
Seriously though, at 25 pages, a dev response or at least a sticky perhaps?
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.06.18 01:35:00 -
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see here and sush
Originally by: Tamora its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
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El Ponja
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:31:00 -
[729]
dont see any dev response in there
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Imperial Coercion Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 17/06/2006 10:46:15
Originally by: twit brent my tach geddon will blow up any ship faster than a railtron can by a long way unless that ship is set for just EM + thermal tanking.
Pffft. I had an encounter with a Raven here the otherday. Range was about 100-ish. I got the raven to 60% shield when I was at 50% armour and had to warp out(because with tachs you cant even fit a repair module. Raven used cruise missiles and I used auroras.
And yes, I got all gunnery skills maxed out on top of bs lv5.
Oh so your tier one ship didn't beat a tier 2 ship that can mount a great tank?
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south24
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:50:00 -
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signed for all previous reasons mentioned
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Imperial Coercion Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 17/06/2006 10:46:15
Originally by: twit brent my tach geddon will blow up any ship faster than a railtron can by a long way unless that ship is set for just EM + thermal tanking.
Pffft. I had an encounter with a Raven here the otherday. Range was about 100-ish. I got the raven to 60% shield when I was at 50% armour and had to warp out(because with tachs you cant even fit a repair module. Raven used cruise missiles and I used auroras.
And yes, I got all gunnery skills maxed out on top of bs lv5.
Oh so your tier one ship didn't beat a tier 2 ship that can mount a great tank?
Considering the Apoc is crap, the Geddon is pretty much the tier-1 and tier-2 BS for Amarr, because for all purposes, the Apoc is 100% worse then the Geddon. :D ------------------------------
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El Ponja
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:53:00 -
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theres is something i never figured out, whats the role of the apoc? some ppl say tanking.... so that means he is good at getting shot at? whats the point if he cant do any dmg
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Ganandorf
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:56:00 -
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2 large reppers = 2 large reppers, doesn't matter crap if you're in an apoc or a megathron or a tempest, they tank the same so apoc isn't a good tanker
Also someone said something like ''you're amazed that you lost from a good damageing tier 2 bs that can mount a crazy tank?'' well maybe this is the point: everyone can do this, we can't
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tamaz
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Posted - 2006.06.18 15:51:00 -
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sometimes I do lvl 4 missions with a mate in a raven. They have about half the skills I do in relevant flying/shooting/tanking but the raven takes more damage and has a much, much faster kill rate compared to my apoc.
And no it's not because he has an uber setup or faction mods in every slot or because my setup(s) are lame.
How many chars with 5-10 mil sp solo lvl4's in an apoc these days? I don't know anyone that does anymore.
I know lots that solo most lvl4's comfortably in a raven.
No idea what the answer is, I'll leave that to the nerfbat swingers but twice the skills for half effectiveness is not right.... Fix amarr ships, please!
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.18 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Imperial Coercion Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 17/06/2006 10:46:15
Originally by: twit brent my tach geddon will blow up any ship faster than a railtron can by a long way unless that ship is set for just EM + thermal tanking.
Pffft. I had an encounter with a Raven here the otherday. Range was about 100-ish. I got the raven to 60% shield when I was at 50% armour and had to warp out(because with tachs you cant even fit a repair module. Raven used cruise missiles and I used auroras.
And yes, I got all gunnery skills maxed out on top of bs lv5.
Oh so your tier one ship didn't beat a tier 2 ship that can mount a great tank?
i think someone used the argument earlier when they thought that the dominix should beat a Apoc. and if all ships are to be of as close to equal in dmg+tanking ability as any other BS then they need to look at the amarr ships.
Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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Exogene
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Posted - 2006.06.18 22:06:00 -
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No matter who says what, amarr ships are borked and need fixing ASAP and we need some word from the devs on this!
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.06.18 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 18/06/2006 23:32:51
Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Imperial Coercion Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 17/06/2006 10:46:15
Originally by: twit brent my tach geddon will blow up any ship faster than a railtron can by a long way unless that ship is set for just EM + thermal tanking.
Pffft. I had an encounter with a Raven here the otherday. Range was about 100-ish. I got the raven to 60% shield when I was at 50% armour and had to warp out(because with tachs you cant even fit a repair module. Raven used cruise missiles and I used auroras.
And yes, I got all gunnery skills maxed out on top of bs lv5.
Oh so your tier one ship didn't beat a tier 2 ship that can mount a great tank?
But geddon is a damage dealer!!111
Ok, so the tier1 didnt work, lets try the apoc. Ops even worse damage and a tank that lasts 30 seconds.
But the apoc isnt a damage dealer!!111
Ok, so what should I use then to take out an raven that does more damage and tank better than me?
I know, I'll get a gang lolz!
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Lavondyss
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Posted - 2006.06.19 06:38:00 -
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Fix the dang Amarr ships soon or at least respond to this 25 page posting. I find the Amarr HAC's to be useful for the most part but I haven't flown my Apoc or Geddon in ages because of their shortcomings. Come on Devs pony up already, a response is long over due. I have 16 millon sp in mostly energy turret specialization alone and the most practical PvP use I can find for my Apoc is as a Vampire. Tell me that is not sad stuff? This is a real problem that needs attention.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2006.06.19 07:01:00 -
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this thread really deserves to be locked now. any wayon a few subjects.
IF lasers got a 3rd dmg type i would personaly say it would have to be kinetic. explo will lead to unfotunate exploitation by groups of amarrians able to melt past armor and shield.
final the overal problem with amarr is a capacitor 1. these ships should be able to tank for heaven and they just can't. nostrafutes are 1 issue but pure caps use is another.
both the apoc and geddon should be able to run a full tank and guns.
and finaly there is only 1 amarr ship that is seriously underpowered and thats the sacrilige.
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MacQueen
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear nostrafutes are 1 issue but pure caps use is another.
and finaly there is only 1 amarr ship that is seriously underpowered and thats the sacrilige.
Looking for stickiness !!!
And in addition to all I have said before about other amarr ships, the sac trully deserve another turret hardpoint, higher Grid and CPU and another low power slot. It's supposed to be an Upgraded Maller and they down grade it more than upgrade. It's just ridiculous. ------------------ Trying to quit smoking. Drug time. ------------------ |
Serj Darek
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Posted - 2006.06.19 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ganandorf 2 large reppers = 2 large reppers, doesn't matter crap if you're in an apoc or a megathron or a tempest, they tank the same so apoc isn't a good tanker
Except that the Apoc has the most armor of the mentioned bs:s?
Fix the Typhoon description! 3 years in the making!
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MacQueen
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Posted - 2006.06.19 09:20:00 -
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Well, anotherthing I want to say, there's a fairly of people have start some smack talk about what we, Amarr specs, doing in here.
I'm calling for people to keep calm and ignore and those threat, obviously, boost up one race also mean nerfing all other and so, the other wont want it to happend.
We're here for a fair arguement, solid proving about what we said. Smacktalk is only for smacktalkers and those are not welcome anywhere. Just like most alliance require people not to talk in local to keep their honor.
Come, prove that amarr is powerful and dont need a boost, give us clue and proof, you're welcome to do so, more than welcome because it's the only way for all of us to figure out the truth and keep a well-balance EVE. The game that all of us love.
Thank you. ------------------ Trying to quit smoking. Drug time. ------------------ |
Heiken Wimast
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Posted - 2006.06.19 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: MacQueen Well, anotherthing I want to say, there's a fairly of people have start some smack talk about what we, Amarr specs, doing in here.
I'm calling for people to keep calm and ignore and those threat, obviously, boost up one race also mean nerfing all other and so, the other wont want it to happend.
We're here for a fair arguement, solid proving about what we said. Smacktalk is only for smacktalkers and those are not welcome anywhere. Just like most alliance require people not to talk in local to keep their honor.
Come, prove that amarr is powerful and dont need a boost, give us clue and proof, you're welcome to do so, more than welcome because it's the only way for all of us to figure out the truth and keep a well-balance EVE. The game that all of us love.
Thank you.
Amen
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.06.19 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Serj Darek
Originally by: Ganandorf 2 large reppers = 2 large reppers, doesn't matter crap if you're in an apoc or a megathron or a tempest, they tank the same so apoc isn't a good tanker
Except that the Apoc has the most armor of the mentioned bs:s?
if you're doing it right repping is more important then total armor, besides other ships can fit a 1600mm plate where the apoc needs RCU II's to fit guns
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:07:00 -
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Yeah, this shread deserves a sticky!
Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!. |
Dano Sarum
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:12:00 -
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I wish tux would hold my hand and make a post here.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.19 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dano Sarum I wish tux would hold my hand and make a post here.
wont happen, he doesnt fly Amarr ships.
Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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Ather Ialeas
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Dano Sarum I wish tux would hold my hand and make a post here.
wont happen, he doesnt fly Amarr ships.
Who's in charge of Amarr balancing then? ________________________________________________ My signature exploded :/ |
Cruz
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Dano Sarum I wish tux would hold my hand and make a post here.
wont happen, he doesnt fly Amarr ships.
Who's in charge of Amarr balancing then?
I wish it was meridius ---------------------------
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