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NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:38:00 - [151] Originally by: Koloch Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 09/03/2009 22:42:16 Originally by: Koloch NightmareX, you I kind of see your point regarding leveling the testing field, but it is a bit flawed. Nobody is going to put 400mil isk worth of rigs on a 80 mil BS -or atleast there are very few. With that in mind you are adding too many variables to the test case and assume that pirate implants + t2 rigs are balanced. I've done a fair bit of testing on sisi and I've never flown anything that I couldn't afford to fly on TQ. Limabeanguy is correct in saying that if you want to call your tests valid then you should be testing against TQ realistic ship setups/implant configs. Well i see your point. But to bad, there isn't anything i can do with the t2 rigs and implants. When everyone is using those i can't just tell them to take all of it off just because i want to use my t1 rigged and no implanted character in a Tempest for example to be as much realistic as TQ. I have to take the fighting as much realistic as it can get on sisi. And still make sure it get's as much realistic as TQ as possible. Well there are a few people that probably wouldn't mind doing that. I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask. There are players that do log on to do valid testing. Having said that the thing I hate most about sisi is it's more about people interested in playing the arcade version of eve then actually testing. Well, i don't really think my Mega would be any worser without t2 rigs and hg slave implants. Because if the other player are doing the same, then we are then again at the same place if you know what i mean. Putting on a T2 rig to get 5% more speed for example is totally the same as CCP just gives us 5% more HP to all ships on sisi. The fights wont be any different only because we get 5% more hp on our ships. I hope you see what i'm trying to say here. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Smokeyblood	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:38:00 - [152] The arguing over Tq/Sisi stuff going on in this thread is completely avoiding the point of this thread which was should the OP spec amarr or Minmatar basically. Would prefer to see that discussion then the current one going on TBQH
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:39:00 - [153] Originally by: NightmareX You first say this: You are to dumb to see how using modules not regularly used on TQ make your results worthless. And your still to dumb to see that EVERYONE ON SISI is using Slaves and that + t2 rigs. Why should i not use it then?. Can you answer me that?. Its already been explained you are just to inexperienced to see it. Oh and NOT EVERYONE ON SISSI USES HG IMPLANTS AND T2 RIGS, a lot of us use sissi for the valid and realistic testing of fits we use on TQ instead of playing with things we do not. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:40:00 - [154] Originally by: NightmareX And your still to dumb to see that EVERYONE ON SISI is using Slaves and that + t2 rigs. Why should i not use it then?. Can you answer me that?. Who cares your "tests" are still worthless. It doesnt matter why you use unrealistic setups in a fixed environment. If you really wanted to "test" the least you could do is find some other "testers" and "test" more realistic setups. But it would be far easier if you just used blasters on tq for a month and come back with a new post filled with your killmails.
Koloch Amarr Warriors Lost	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:42:00 - [155] Originally by: NightmareX Who would any of you here trust between an EFT warrior who only looks at some numbers or a player (me) who actually use things and test it out on sisi and get some results?. Neither You have to look at balancing from all angles. ..this is what makes it extremely difficult and why a lot of people don't understand that their "simple" fix to a balancing issue really isn't the best option or actually needed. It's also very difficult for people to be objective when it involves a ship(s) they have invested a lot of training time skill for.
Sabrage	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:45:00 - [156] In Apocrypha, training Infomorph Psychology V will allow you to automatically whine about balance on the forums on death.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:49:00 - [157] Originally by: NightmareX Well, i don't really think my Mega would be any worser without t2 rigs and hg slave implants. Because if the other player are doing the same, then we are then again at the same place if you know what i mean. The fights wont be any different only because we get 5% more hp on our ships. I hope you see what i'm trying to say here. What you are saying is naive and clueless. if i am flying a ship that needs cap to fire vs a ship that does not need cap to fire those extra HP the T2 rigs and slaves give will allow the ship i am shooting at to last longer than it would on TQ and causing me more cap problems than i would normally have to deal with on TQ. Now i can be using T2 armour rigs and slaves as well but it does not make any difference cos while i have capped out before popping the hostile ship cos of the extra HP it has from the rigs ect ect, the ship i am fighting does not need cap so it continues to chew me up. This is just one example of how using T2 armour rigs instead of T1 and using slave sets can skew valid results, let alone when you apply the same very basic idea to the other HG implants and rigs. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:55:00 - [158] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 09/03/2009 23:55:42 Originally by: Koloch Originally by: NightmareX Who would any of you here trust between an EFT warrior who only looks at some numbers or a player (me) who actually use things and test it out on sisi and get some results?. Neither A valid sissi warrior with no clue about TQ pvp... NightmareX Kills: 209 Losses: 22 Oh and just in case you are interested.. ME Losses: 130 Kills: 2,148 Mine are pvp kills of various types/styles, no smart bombing bubble camp kills or other exploits to boost numbers. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:56:00 - [159] sophisticatedlimabean, i have a question to you. Can you give us a reason on why Blasters sucks?. Give us an explanation like i did earlier in this post. Tell us exactly what your doing in your Megathron that makes is so crappy with Blasters. Remember to give us info on what ships you have been fighting and how many they are etc. It's your turn to give a reason here instead of going emo rage and whine like a ****** like every noobs are doing. When you give us a detailed reason why Blasters are crap, then i'm gonna accept it. But before that, whine as much as you can. I'm just fun to have something funny to read while i eat this pizza. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Robert Rumpletweezer Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:56:00 - [160] I had written a massive balanced argument but I got bored. The tl;dr version is: BS RR Gang wise: 5-15man gang size, very little to choose between Gallente and Amarr. Both have there strengths and weaknesses in this department. I fly both and both are great. At close range engagements, the majority of the killmails are topped by Megathrons. During longer engagements, the Armageddons usually take over, given there ability to swap ranges instantly. As for Apocs, Abaddons, Dominixes and Hyperions, these generally take a back-seat since Domis don't have the PG for many guns, Hyps make crap buffers, Abaddons lack 125m drone bay, and Apocs don't receive a damage bonus. HAC/CS wise: Strength generally lies with the Amarr ships. The range discrepancy in this field is too great for Medium Blasters to be viable over Medium Lasers.

NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:57:00 - [161] Edited by: NightmareX on 10/03/2009 00:00:05 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 09/03/2009 23:55:42 Originally by: Koloch Originally by: NightmareX Who would any of you here trust between an EFT warrior who only looks at some numbers or a player (me) who actually use things and test it out on sisi and get some results?. Neither A valid sissi warrior with no clue about TQ pvp... NightmareX Kills: 209 Losses: 22 Oh and just in case you are interested.. ME Losses: 130 Kills: 2,148 Mine are pvp kills of various types/styles, no smart bombing bubble camp kills or other exploits to boost numbers. The e-peen stroke in that reply is just awesome. Wow, 2k kills. You must be the king pvper in EVE dude. ** me, 2k kills. I want you to be my PVP hero. Originally by:** Robert Rumpletweezer I had written a massive balanced argument but I got bored. The tl;dr version is: BS RR Gang wise: 5-15man gang size, very little to choose between Gallente and Amarr. Both have there strengths and weaknesses in this department. I fly both and both are great. At close range engagements, the majority of the killmails are topped by Megathrons. During longer engagements, the Armageddons usually take over, given there ability to swap ranges instantly. As for Apocs, Abaddons, Dominixes and Hyperions, these generally take a back-seat since Domis don't have the PG for many guns, Hyps make crap buffers, Abaddons lack 125m drone bay, and Apocs don't receive a damage bonus. HAC/CS wise: Strength generally lies with the Amarr ships. The range discrepancy in this field is too great for Medium Blasters to be viable over Medium Lasers. Exactly. Someone in this topic is way to dumb to understand that. Every ship in eve have it's drawback and everyships have it's good things. But every ships are both good and crap in totally different ways. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:59:00 - [162] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 09/03/2009 23:59:53 Originally by: NightmareX Can you give us a reason on why Blasters sucks?. Explanations have been given multiple times you are just too inexperienced in TQ pvp and too obsessed with your pimped and unrealistic sissi pvp (as your silly explanations show) to understand them. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:02:00 - [163] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 09/03/2009 23:59:53 Originally by: NightmareX Can you give us a reason on why Blasters sucks?. Explanations have been given multiple times you are just too inexperienced in TQ pvp and too obsessed with your pimped and unrealistic sissi pvp (as your silly explanations show) to understand them. LOL All your whining have been about is: OMG HALP. BLASTERS SUCKS BECAUSE I FAILED TO USE THEM RIGHT AND IN THE RIGHT SITUATION, AND THEN SAW THAT BLASTERS DIDN'T PERFORM SO GOOD, SO THEY SUCKS WAAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAAH. The day you start to use the weapons right, the day i will start to listen to you to. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:04:00 - [164] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 10/03/2009 00:05:35 Originally by: NightmareX The day you start to use the weapons right, the day i will start to listen to you to. The day you have a extra 0 on the end of your pitiful TQ kill count you MAY be capable of understanding what i and others have posted multiple times. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:08:00 - [165] Edited by: NightmareX on 10/03/2009 00:08:41 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 10/03/2009 00:06:58 Originally by: NightmareX The day you start to use the weapons right, the day i will start to listen to you to. ALL you say is "WAAA I HIDE ON SISSI ALL DAY PLAYING WITH UNREALISTIC FITS AND THINK I KNOW ABOUT PVP ON TQ"... The day you have a extra 0 on the end of your pitiful TQ kill count you MAY be capable of understanding what i and others have posted multiple times. Heh. And what about the BOOST BLASTER topic?. How many there told you that you was wrong?. Naaaaaaah, those doesn't cound at all, naaaah. Reported again for bringing in Sisi here. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:12:00 - [166] Originally by: NightmareX Heh. And what about the BOOST BLASTER topic?. How many there told you that you was wrong?. Naaaaaaah, those doesn't cound at all, naaaah. A lot less than told me i was right, most ppl agree blasters (especially BS blasters) have a problem on TQ its only you and a very few others that think other wise. You because you are a cluless sissi warrior, and gourm cos he is all about boosting amarr or at least keeping them the best race for TQ combat. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:13:00 - [167] Edited by: NightmareX on 10/03/2009 00:13:44 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean You because you are a cluless sissi warrior, and gourm cos he is all about boosting amarr or at least keeping them the best race for TQ combat. Tripple reported for bringing something in here that doesn't have anything with this topic to do. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:14:00 - [168] Originally by: NightmareX Reported again for bringing in Sisi here. YOU brought sissi on here cos that is where you PLAY eve and your so called pvp XP comes from. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:17:00 - [169] Edited by: NightmareX on 10/03/2009 00:17:00 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX Reported again for bringing in Sisi here. YOU brought sissi on here cos that is where you PLAY eve and your so called pvp XP comes from. Where did i bring in Sisi here?: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1016708&page=4#103 Reported again for lying about me. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Koloch Amarr Warriors Lost	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:18:00 - [170] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 09/03/2009 23:55:42 Originally by: Koloch Originally by: NightmareX Who would any of you here trust between an EFT warrior who only looks at some numbers or a player (me) who actually use things and test it out on sisi and get some results?. Neither A valid sissi warrior with no clue about TQ pvp... NightmareX Kills: 209 Losses: 22 Oh and just in case you are interested.. ME Losses: 130 Kills: 2,148 Mine are pvp kills of various types/styles, no smart bombing bubble camp kills or other exploits to boost numbers. Kills have a lot more to do with the combined skill of your corp/alliance you're in and not really a fair measure of personal skill level. Your previous corp, Burn Eden, is known for coming up with very clever tactics for gate camping -like the nano hyenas/sniper combo. Looking at some of your past kills you are either in a falcon, hyena, nano ishtar or sniper mega. I didn't look at all of your kills, but I failed to see any Blaster Mega losses.

sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:18:00 - [171] Originally by: NightmareX Tripple reported for bringing something in here that doesn't have anything with this topic to do. If replying to your question in detail with names and reasons is a reportable offense then you should report yourself for asking the question in the first place. Heh. And what about the BOOST BLASTER topic?. How many there told you that you was wrong?. Naaaaaaah, those doesn't cound at all, naaaah. Il do it for you...constant trolling, unhelpful comments, aggressive/argumentative off topic posting and pointless childsish reporting because of losing a argument.... My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:21:00 - [172] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 10/03/2009 00:25:14 Originally by: Koloch Kills have a lot more to do with the combined skill of your corp/alliance you're in and not really a fair measure of personal skill level. Your previous corp, Burn Eden, is known for coming up with very clever tactics for gate camping -like the nano hyenas/sniper combo. Looking at some of your past kills you are either in a falcon, hyena, nano ishtar or sniper mega. I didn't look at all of your kills, but I failed to see any Blaster Mega losses. That is because if blaster megas were worth flying i would do so...... I could hardly claim they were poor and in need of help then use them as my ship of choice now could i?...anyway losses are of less importance than dmg done and effectiveness in gang relative to other ships of the same class. PS: Effective teamwork skills are the height of combat skills in eve there is not greater ability to be competent at as a individual. Dividing up personal/individual skills and teamwork skills is foolish as most pvp in eve is gang pvp and as such the skills are totally combined if you want to succeed when in a fight. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:21:00 - [173] Edited by: NightmareX on 10/03/2009 00:24:36 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX Tripple reported for bringing something in here that doesn't have anything with this topic to do. If replying to your question in detail with names and reasons is a reportable offense then you should report yourself for asking the question in the first place. Heh. And what about the BOOST BLASTER topic?. How many there told you that you was wrong?. Naaaaaaah, those doesn't cound at all, naaaah. Il do it for you...constant trolling, unhelpful comments, aggressive/argumentative off topic posting and pointless childsish reporting because of losing a argument.... Uhm yeah, all of those who told me that i was wrong was either 4397534789537895 alts of some Blaster noobs in that topic, or it was those 658084854068409 noob alts who belonged to you. So those doesn't count. And most of those didn't even had a corp or alliance ticker on, or they was also in npc corps. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:28:00 - [174] Edited by: NightmareX on 10/03/2009 00:30:54 Anyways, as the last question to you sophisticatedlimabean. Can you answer me why Blasters works so good for me in most ways?, and can you also answer me why i have never had any problems with Blasters?. Is it because i do things right?, or................................. That's the only answer i want from you. If you can prove me that Blasters are crap, while they work pretty good for me atm, then i will forgive you and say that i'm a sisi noob and that i really sucks. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:29:00 - [175] Originally by: NightmareX exaggerated rant /ignore exaggerating emo troll. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:30:00 - [176] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 10/03/2009 00:30:46 Regardless of UnsophisticatedWhinaBean's overzealous way of trying to state that the ships he flies mostly suck I have to agree with the Sisi bit. Things are so completely out of whack because of the T2 rigs and silly implants that you simply can not translate it to normal pvp on TQ. I don't log on sisi much because of that, IF I go there I test setups, implants and rigs as I'd use them on TQ. Thing is ofcourse that it's impossible to actually get a kill in any FFA but at least you still get an idea of how stuff performs (you don't have to win to realise the potential of a setup/tactic). Self-proclaimed idiot
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:33:00 - [177] Edited by: NightmareX on 10/03/2009 00:33:12 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX exaggerated rant /ignore exaggerating emo troll. Want to get reported again?. Answer me the question over here or STFU. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:35:00 - [178] Originally by: Tzar'rim Regardless of UnsophisticatedWhinaBean's overzealous way of trying to state that the ships he flies mostly suck I have to agree with the Sisi bit. Things are so completely out of whack because of the T2 rigs and silly implants that you simply can not translate it to normal pvp on TQ. Mr Rtard'rim I do not fly ships that suck i fly ships that work well in the gangs i fly within, that is why the fella above found no blaster ship losses as they suck in gang combat and solo BS pvp is for sissi warriors and does not really exist much at all on TQ. Originally by: Tzar'rim I don't log on sisi much because of that, IF I go there I test setups, implants and rigs as I'd use them on TQ. Thing is ofcourse that it's impossible to actually get a kill in any FFA but at least you still get an idea of how stuff performs (you don't have to win to realise the potential of a setup/change). See now YOU use the test server for testing like i do, instead of playing with expensive like certain ppl..... My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Koloch Amarr Warriors Lost	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:35:00 - [179] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean I could hardly claim they were poor and in need of help then use them as my ship of choice now could i?...anyway losses are of less importance than dmg done and effectiveness in gang relative to other ships of the same class.. Yes, I guess that could be true, but I would have expected you to atleast have some failed attempts at using blaster ships in general. I know quite a few players that have a lot of kills/losses using blaster ships. I would take their opinion on how the ships fair in tq combat over someone that doesn't use them at all.
Liang Nuren No Salvation Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:37:00 - [180] Originally by: NightmareX If you can prove me that Blasters are crap, while they work pretty good for me atm, then i will forgive you and say that i'm a sisi noob and that i really sucks. You're a sisi noob that really sucks. Hi Nightmare :) But if you're curious, my assumption is that most people in this game suck at it. You can make virtually anything work for you if you're good at PVP. There are dangerous ships, and then there are people that make anything dangerous. Being in the second category does not mean that everything you touch is perfectly balanced. :) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org



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