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ZZ99	Posted - 2009.03.13 19:49:00 - [391] Edited by: ZZ99 on 13/03/2009 19:54:55 sophisticatedlimabean and Nightmarex should fight on tq, nightmarex will fly a blastermega/blasterhype and limabean can fly a pulsepoc/pulsebaddon.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.13 19:50:00 - [392] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 19:51:43 Originally by: Ephemeron Just ask yourself this: if you get about same damage output from blasters and pulse lasers.. which weapon would you prefer? Obviously you would judge them on the other stats, such as optimal/falloff, tracking, cap use, grid use, cpu use. To me, it seems like pulse lasers are clearly the better choice in that scenario. Does anyone here want to say that they would choose blasters? keeping in mind this hypothetical scenario Stats wise on the guns, yes they are best if you see it that way. But when you take other things as tracking in close range for Lasers and what kind of damage Lasers deals, then i wouldn't use them because of the omni tanks most peoples are using on armor ships. If we are talking about med range fights, then i can agree that Lasers are a better choice. But i have only done close range and sniping in the fights i have been in. So then a Tempest or a Megathron is the best choices for me then. I rather choose to have better damage and better tracking over longer range. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.13 19:50:00 - [393] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 13/03/2009 19:57:05 Originally by: NightmareX And no, atm i don't use Blasters on TQ, simply because i'm the person who use lets say a Tempest and a Hurricane for some months and then i change to other ships and after some few months then, then i'm back to a Tempest and a Hurricane. When will you learn not to post statements about your past along with links to your past proving you a liar.... You do not do a lot in those "OTHER" ships though do you...as its all mini and a CNR on here.... NightmareX ships and modules used..... PS: As to a lot of those kill mails look at the ships killed and how many BS were shooting at them...im sure you will figure out why the mini ships were on the top of the KM seeing as you know so much about ALL weapon systems in eve... My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.13 19:55:00 - [394] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX And no, atm i don't use Blasters on TQ, simply because i'm the person who use lets say a Tempest and a Hurricane for some months and then i change to other ships and after some few months then, then i'm back to a Tempest and a Hurricane. When will you learn not to post statements about your past along with links to your past proving you a liar.... You do not do a lot in those "OTHER" ships though do you...as its all mini and a CNR on here.... NightmareX ships and modules used..... It's all kinds of ships in those killmails. And it proves another thing that many idiots are whining about, yes the sniping Tempest. What does those killmails exactly shows?. Yes it shows that a sniper Tempest is much better than peoples says they are. There is no other reasons i use a Tempest for sniping, because it's much much better than peoples thinks it is. And about the change of ships after some months. That are like it is on TQ for me now. It's just a matter of time before i goes from a Tempest to another BS. I like to change on the ships. Using the same ship over and over tends to be boring after a while. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:01:00 - [395] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean When will you learn not to post statements about your past along with links to your past proving you a liar.... You do not do a lot in those "OTHER" ships though do you...as its all mini and a CNR on here.... NightmareX ships and modules used..... Originally by: NightmareX It's all kinds of ships in those killmails. Actually that link shows you have never killed anything for TRI in summat other than a mini ship and 1 kill in a CNR... My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Galluzzi	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:05:00 - [396] Everytime i read a post from NightmareX my IQ drops below zero.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:06:00 - [397] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:07:04 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean When will you learn not to post statements about your past along with links to your past proving you a liar.... You do not do a lot in those "OTHER" ships though do you...as its all mini and a CNR on here.... NightmareX ships and modules used..... Originally by: NightmareX It's all kinds of ships in those killmails. Actually that link shows you have never killed anything for TRI in summat other than a mini ship and 1 kill in a CNR... Yeah ONLY when i was in Tri for the few months i was, before they kinda dispanded that time. But don't forget that i have been using other ships and weapons the other 3+ years i have been playing outside of Tri. Originally by: Galluzzi Everytime i read a post from NightmareX my IQ drops below zero. Haha, that made me smile. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:06:00 - [398] Originally by: Galluzzi Everytime i read a post from NightmareX my IQ drops below zero. I think its nice of you to head down there and keep his IQ company tbh.... My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:10:00 - [399] Originally by: NightmareX But don't forget that i have been using other ships and weapons the other 3+ years i have been playing outside of Tri. Its pretty hard to forget summat that you have no memory of as it never happened.... So you say you have 400+ killmails that just "disappeared" and that they are in every ship class in eve that you are a total pro and know everything about?.... LIAR. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:19:00 - [400] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:23:16 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX But don't forget that i have been using other ships and weapons the other 3+ years i have been playing outside of Tri. Its pretty hard to forget summat that you have no memory of as it never happened.... So you say you have 400+ killmails that just "disappeared" and that they are in every ship class in eve that you are a total pro and know everything about?.... LIAR. HAHAHAHAHA, you talk about remembering things. Trying to be funny now?. About the killmails,. Yes many killmails are missing. Just ask any TunDraGon's members about the 90+ kills i got that time within 2 hours of play time in that corp. Those killmails simply doesn't exist today. I would be happy if the killboard to TDG still exist today. I would be very very happy to prove you that i'm not lying when it's about those killmails. And also that i'm not lying when i say that Battleclinic doesn't shows ANYTHING when it's about how many i have killed etc. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise

sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:22:00 - [401] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 13/03/2009 20:26:06 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX But don't forget that i have been using other ships and weapons the other 3+ years i have been playing outside of Tri. Its pretty hard to forget summat that you have no memory of as it never happened.... So you say you have 400+ killmails that just "disappeared" and that they are in every ship class in eve that you are a total pro and know everything about?.... LIAR. HAHAHAHAHA, you talk about remembering things. Trying to be funny now?. There is nothing wrong with my memory, i can remember all the times you have lied about having 400+ more kills than your records show. Even your losses on BC only show you in MINI ships and 1 raven... My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Cohkka Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:22:00 - [402] Originally by: prodalt If you reduced the value of scorch, not only would you threaten to kill current laser battleships, but you would do the same to all sub-bs variants. Its not a reasonable proposition. As it is, Scorch outdamages longrange weaponsystems with their most damaging Ammo loaded at 45km. I think the fact that Mega Pulse are best at everything from 10-45km is quite OP. A cut down to 30-35km optimal wouldn't hurt them much. And as for sub-BS... every race has to put up with problems with their shortrange weaponsystems. That said you're fighting in web/scram range with current Pulse anyway. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:26:00 - [403] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:26:05 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX But don't forget that i have been using other ships and weapons the other 3+ years i have been playing outside of Tri. Its pretty hard to forget summat that you have no memory of as it never happened.... So you say you have 400+ killmails that just "disappeared" and that they are in every ship class in eve that you are a total pro and know everything about?.... LIAR. HAHAHAHAHA, you talk about remembering things. Trying to be funny now?. There is nothing wrong with my memory, i can remember all the times you have lied about having 400+ more kills than your records show. Read THIS again. And you say that you can remember, but then why have you forgotten that i have proven you like 10 times to now that not all of my kills are on Battleclinic. I even gave you a link to another killboard that had some kills that is not on Battleclinic. Still gonna lie because of your memory problems?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:29:00 - [404] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 13/03/2009 20:31:53 Originally by: NightmareX And you say that you can remember, but then why have you forgotten that i have proven you like 10 times to now that not all of my kills are on Battleclinic. I even gave you a link to another killboard that had some kills that is not on Battleclinic. Still gonna lie because of your memory problems?. There is nothing wrong with my memory you just did a ninja edit, and you have never proven you have 400+ missing killmails even once let alone 10 times.... Lie on top of lie. PS: TunDraGon AS A CORP AS WELL AS THEIR KILLS ARE REGISTERED ON BC.... My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:32:00 - [405] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:35:28 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX And you say that you can remember, but then why have you forgotten that i have proven you like 10 times to now that not all of my kills are on Battleclinic. I even gave you a link to another killboard that had some kills that is not on Battleclinic. Still gonna lie because of your memory problems?. There is nothing wrong with my memory you just did a ninja edit, and you have never proven you have 400+ missing killmails even once let alone 10 times.... Lie on top of lie. PS: TunDraGon AS A CORP AS WELL AS THEIR KILLS ARE REGISTERED ON BC.... http://killboard.eve-extra.com/show_kills.php?id=11544 Now, whos the liar here. Care to explain why those killmails there are not on Battleclinic?. Oh noes, you can't, because i just proved you that i'm right that Battleclinic doesn't have all of my kills, not even near the right numbers. Oh crap, some of the members in TDG had posted their killmails on Battleclinic?, yeah that doesn't mean i bothered to post them there that time. HAHAHA, you just pwned your self there. Good work. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Dethis Caldari Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:34:00 - [406] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:33:33 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX And you say that you can remember, but then why have you forgotten that i have proven you like 10 times to now that not all of my kills are on Battleclinic. I even gave you a link to another killboard that had some kills that is not on Battleclinic. Still gonna lie because of your memory problems?. There is nothing wrong with my memory you just did a ninja edit, and you have never proven you have 400+ missing killmails even once let alone 10 times.... Lie on top of lie. PS: TunDraGon AS A CORP AS WELL AS THEIR KILLS ARE REGISTERED ON BC.... http://killboard.eve-extra.com/show_kills.php?id=11544 Now, whos the liar here. Care to explain why those killmails there are not on Battleclinic?. Oh noes, you can't, because i just proved you that i'm right that Battleclinic doesn't have all of my kills, not even near the right numbers. Oh wth, some of the members in TDG had posted their killmails on Battleclinic?, yeah that doesn't mean i bothered to post them there that time. Just have to say. That is the most god awfully ugly killboard ever --------
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:37:00 - [407] Originally by: Dethis Just have to say. That is the most god awfully ugly killboard ever ORLY? When i was in TDG, that KB was one of the few killboards we used to post killmails on. Ofc, i posted all of my kills i had in TDG on the TDG killboard that time. But not sure if that kb still exist or if it have been down for ages now. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:38:00 - [408] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 13/03/2009 20:40:08 Originally by: NightmareX http://killboard.eve-extra.com/show_kills.php?id=11544 Now, whos the liar here. Care to explain why those killmails there are not on Battleclinic?. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Mark My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:41:00 - [409] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:45:42 Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:42:36 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX http://killboard.eve-extra.com/show_kills.php?id=11544 Now, whos the liar here. Care to explain why those killmails there are not on Battleclinic?. ...... http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Mark+Orecrusher&filter=losses#show Congrats on finding one killmails from that list. Now where is the rest?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:42:00 - [410] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 13/03/2009 20:43:52 Originally by: NightmareX When i was in TDG, that KB was one of the few killboards we used to post killmails on. Ofc, i posted all of my kills i had in TDG on the TDG killboard that time. But not sure if that kb still exist or if it have been down for ages now. TDG kills and losses on BC..... http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/corp-TunDraGon-kills.html My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.

NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:44:00 - [411] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:45:06 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX When i was in TDG, that KB was one of the few killboards we used to post killmails on. Ofc, i posted all of my kills i had in TDG on the TDG killboard that time. But not sure if that kb still exist or if it have been down for ages now. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/corp-TunDraGon-kills.html Yeah, try and find my name in those 4k+ kills. Hell, TDG had way more than 4k kills just after 1-2 months the time i was in TDG. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Trader20	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:45:00 - [412] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Dethis Just have to say. That is the most god awfully ugly killboard ever ORLY? When i was in TDG, that KB was one of the few killboards we used to post killmails on. Ofc, i posted all of my kills i had in TDG on the TDG killboard that time. But not sure if that kb still exist or if it have been down for ages now. Come'on now, I don't always agree with everything Nightmarex says but I do know one thing, he is one the best pvp'ers in Eve.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:46:00 - [413] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:45:06 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX When i was in TDG, that KB was one of the few killboards we used to post killmails on. Ofc, i posted all of my kills i had in TDG on the TDG killboard that time. But not sure if that kb still exist or if it have been down for ages now. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/corp-TunDraGon-kills.html Yeah, try and find my name in those 4k+ kills. Hell, TDG had way more than 4k kills just after 1-2 months the time i was in TDG. The kill from TDG on BC are from 2004-2008.......... My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Liang Nuren No Salvation Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:46:00 - [414] Can you two stop? -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Trader20	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:49:00 - [415] Originally by: Liang Nuren Can you two stop? -Liang They should set up a fight on sisi and see wat weapons system is actually better by testing it.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:49:00 - [416] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:49:54 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 13/03/2009 20:47:12 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:45:06 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX When i was in TDG, that KB was one of the few killboards we used to post killmails on. Ofc, i posted all of my kills i had in TDG on the TDG killboard that time. But not sure if that kb still exist or if it have been down for ages now. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/corp-TunDraGon-kills.html Yeah, try and find my name in those 4k+ kills. Hell, TDG had way more than 4k kills just after 1-2 months the time i was in TDG. The kills shown from TDG on BC are from 2004-2008.......... But then answer me this, why is not my killmails there then?. There should at least be 200 killmails in total from me that are on the TDG killboard, if it still exist. When i got 92 kills within 2 hours, i for sure have over 200 kills the whole time i was in that corp. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
JadeMako Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:52:00 - [417] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Marn Prestoc This is like 2007 with "LASER/AMARR SUCK! BOOST LASERS!" but now with blasters. Just like Amarr in 2007 there isn't really a major problem with the weapons, its more the ship design/use. Back in 2005/2006 if you suggested full passive tanks people lol'd at you, especially Amarr pilots, but now you get lol'd at for active tanking. Hence if you passvie tank and ignore a bonus and compare it against a ship that uses all its bonuses, of course it will be worse. Its also a problem with the Tier system ccp like, comparing a lower tier to a higher tier will usually be worse unless its a specific role. It's also the problem with t2 ammo. All the close range ones suck compared to faction, but the long ranged arn't really fair either. It's important to remember that hit quality is linked to hit chance, hence when in falloff you lose damage quickly, which is why optimal is so great. Scorch only affects Optimal, and its a big 1.5x bonus with a penalty of reducing tracking to 75%, considering the starting amount of optimal thats a huge increase. Now Null affects Optimal by 1.25x and Falloff by 1.25x with the same reduction in tracking to 75%, so with already lower ranges you get a reduced increase compared to scorch because of falloff/hit quality. Barrage gets 1.5x to falloff, which is nothing like 1.5 to optimal on lasers due to hit quality, yet still gets the same reduction in tracking to 75%. Hence Scorch > Null/Barrage. If anything needs to be changed with the weapons its T2 ammo, both close range and long variations. If people ignore ship bonuses thats your choice, don't expect to perfom anything like those who use there ship bonuses. That's a really perceptive post Marn. Damn shame it'll be lost in the flaming. :) -Liang QFT
JadeMako Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:52:00 - [418] Originally by: Liang Nuren Can you two stop? -Liang Also QFT
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:53:00 - [419] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:54:57 Originally by: Liang Nuren Can you two stop? -Liang When sophisticatedlimabean have given me a very detailed explanation and very good facts on how Blasters works. Then i will stop. But it seems that he can't do that because like i have said many times that he doesn't have a single clue on how to use Blasters. Or how they works. I just want to see his detailed explanation to see if he's doing anything wrong. Not that i need to know now that he's doing anything wrong when we already know he's using them wrong. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Dethis Caldari Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.03.13 20:55:00 - [420] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/03/2009 20:54:03 Originally by: Liang Nuren Can you two stop? -Liang When sophisticatedlimabean have given me a very detailed explanation and very good facts on how Blasters works. Then i will stop. But it seems that he can't do that because like i have said many times that he doesn't have a single clue on how to use Blasters. Or how they works I just want to see his detailed explanation to see if he's doing anything wrong. Not that i need to know now that he's dong anything wrong when we already know he's using them wrong. The fundemental function of blasters is fine, fact is their damage is to low because other long range weapons do pretty much the same DPS without sacrificing travel time trying to catch targets. Thats the end of the argument because its the truth about blasters. --------



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