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marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2009.03.12 19:37:00 - [271] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: marakor Maybe kill the first ship and then spend the rest of the fight mwding around trying to get into range and doing crap dmg..... Your doing it wrong then pal. Use your brain a little and you will not have any problems. Oh thats right i remember you saying that blasters ships should warp in and out...... Here is the thing, ppl on TQ do not sit around waiting for you every time you do that, and that is ignoring the fact that there's probably gonna be bubbles all over the place if you in 0.0. Stick to your worthless "organized" sissi pvp dude you have no clue about TQ, hey maybe if they put arenas or BF areas on TQ you may know wtf you are talking about.
Fistme	Posted - 2009.03.12 20:22:00 - [272] So I think at this point it's become rather obvious that there are inhearent flaws in the practical use of Large and to a smaller extent medium blasters in the current meta-game. That being said I think it's time we stop arguing with obvious trolls and start debating about what can be done to fix the state of this weapon class in today's eve. To come up with a reasonable "fix" We are going to have to first diagnose the problem with how they function. The first issue that I come across is the "realistic" application of DPS. In a sense the problem is that in comparison to other weapon systems the travel time (loss of DPS) between targets that is often required to bring blasters into range is not made up for by the damage output that blasters put out. This brings me to my first proposal, a mild increase in damage, not tracking. Tracking buff would send us back to the days in which a single blaster BS had almost no problems melting cruisers and even to a lesser degree frigates. I think that a Modest 5% increase in damage would be a good place to start.
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.03.12 20:53:00 - [273] Originally by: Fistme So I think at this point it's become rather obvious that there are inhearent flaws in the practical use of Large and to a smaller extent medium blasters in the current meta-game. That being said I think it's time we stop arguing with obvious trolls and start debating about what can be done to fix the state of this weapon class in today's eve. To come up with a reasonable "fix" We are going to have to first diagnose the problem with how they function. The first issue that I come across is the "realistic" application of DPS. In a sense the problem is that in comparison to other weapon systems the travel time (loss of DPS) between targets that is often required to bring blasters into range is not made up for by the damage output that blasters put out. This brings me to my first proposal, a mild increase in damage, not tracking. Tracking buff would send us back to the days in which a single blaster BS had almost no problems melting cruisers and even to a lesser degree frigates. I think that a Modest 5% increase in damage would be a good place to start. LOL, well, 5% is a lot more modest than the 50% increase I saw earlier, got to say I would like to see a damage increase of maybe 10 to 15% though that could easily come from a rof boost
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:23:00 - [274] Edited by: NightmareX on 12/03/2009 21:24:24 Originally by: marakor Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: marakor Maybe kill the first ship and then spend the rest of the fight mwding around trying to get into range and doing crap dmg..... Your doing it wrong then pal. Use your brain a little and you will not have any problems. Oh thats right i remember you saying that blasters ships should warp in and out...... Here is the thing, ppl on TQ do not sit around waiting for you every time you do that, and that is ignoring the fact that there's probably gonna be bubbles all over the place if you in 0.0. Stick to your worthless "organized" sissi pvp dude you have no clue about TQ, hey maybe if they put arenas or BF areas on TQ you may know wtf you are talking about. Oh noes, epic whines again when you see that i'm telling you some facts. If you want to emo cry, you know where the corner is. Oh about that warping out and then in again, yeah, that was actually one of the things that you can do if your smart, if the targets are to far away, and then let the faster ships tackle them. And then warp back in to the tacklers. I know many who does that in Megathrons. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:31:00 - [275] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/03/2009 21:33:13 Originally by: NightmareX Oh about that warping out and then in again, yeah, that was actually one of the things that you can do if your smart, if the targets are to far away, and then let the faster ships tackle them. And then warp back in to the tacklers. I know many who does that in Megathrons. So you are saying that megas can only fight if the opposing side has no bubbles, no tacklers and no points on their ships and apparently no weapons fitted or drones as they will be just sitting still or burning ect and ignoring the megas tacklers as the megas warp in and out.... Just stop posting your utter inexperience and total lack of understanding about TQ pvp is a embarrassment. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:46:00 - [276] Edited by: NightmareX on 12/03/2009 21:49:32 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/03/2009 21:43:28 Originally by: NightmareX Oh about that warping out and then in again, yeah, that was actually one of the things that you can do if your smart, if the targets are to far away, and then let the faster ships tackle them. And then warp back in to the tacklers. I know many who does that in Megathrons. So you are saying that megas can only fight if the opposing side has no bubbles, no tacklers and no points on their ships and apparently no weapons fitted or drones as they will be just sitting still or burning ect and ignoring the megas tacklers as the megas warp in and out.... Just stop posting your utter inexperience and total lack of understanding about TQ pvp is a embarrassment. Crawl back to sissi i am sure if you ask nicely in FD- local somebody will be willing to fly a certain class of ship, in a certain way, in one of the BF areas for you. You will not need a logged in scout to watch for support, he will not have any buddies and if he breaks any of the rules and pods you, you have only lost a few 100isk for those lovely T2 rigs and HG implants..oh and you can cry to ccp and get him punished... WAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAAH, gimmeh some more epic whines please. It's so funny to see you goes eeeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmoooooooooo raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggeeeeeeeeee and rabble rabble rabble about Sisi all the time.. This is about TQ not about sisi. Mention sisi one more time in this topic, and i will make sure that you will get reported. And if this was in empire, then what?. Then it's fully possible. And if this is in 0.0 space, you should MWD ASAP out of a bubble anyways, so you can then just MWD to the targets and kill them instead as long they are not in the bubble them self. And oh, have you forgotten to give me an answer on why Blasters works so good for me?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Liang Nuren No Salvation Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:49:00 - [277] Originally by: NightmareX And oh, have you forgotten to give me an answer on why Blasters works so good for me?. Because you don't actually use them on TQ. Sorry, I couldn't resist!! I know you do use them on TQ, but you're still trying to refute people's TQ observations based on Sisi experiences. Nobody will take you seriously (no matter how much they should) as long as you do that. :-/ -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:51:00 - [278] Edited by: NightmareX on 12/03/2009 21:55:39 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX And oh, have you forgotten to give me an answer on why Blasters works so good for me?. Because you don't actually use them on TQ. Sorry, I couldn't resist!! I know you do use them on TQ, but you're still trying to refute people's TQ observations based on Sisi experiences. Nobody will take you seriously (no matter how much they should) as long as you do that. :-/ -Liang I have a Megathron Navy Issue with 7x Neutron II's on TQ FYI. Should i link the setup to you?. Or maybe i should not, because sophisticatedlimabean would go emo rage then and think i'm only doing e-peen. But in fact, it's him self that are doing the e-peen with his silly 2k kills lol. I just haven't used it in PVP yet. EDIT: Meh, screw that whiner anyways. Here is the setup i use on it atm: LINK. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Nova Satar Annihilate.	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:53:00 - [279] Originally by: heslookinatu Originally by: Naomi Knight Originally by: heslookinatu Originally by: Furb Killer If you just want the best it isnt even close, go amarr. Not interested in the FOTM best i figured the post made that pretty clear. Train caldari ^^ Caldari is the complete opposite of what i was reffering to in the OP Are you a ******? You gave up on blasters becuase you don;t know anything. You don't want Amarr becuase you think it's FOTM. And apparantly Caldari is the opposite of what you want. Yet you still needed to create this thread to find out what to train? How many races do you think there are?
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:54:00 - [280] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/03/2009 21:56:56 Originally by: NightmareX And if this was in empire, then what?. Then it's fully possible. Because ppl do not fit points or have tacklers in empire?????.... Originally by: NightmareX And if this is in 0.0 space, you should MWD ASAP out of a bubble anyways, so you better MWD to the targets instead as long they are not in the bubble them self. That brings us back to virtually perma running a MWD and chasing after every hostile ship...ie: being useless and losing....so much for the stupid warping out idea.... Originally by: NightmareX And oh, have you forgotten to give me an answer on why Blasters works so good for me?. I have seen you make no posts about any massive and regular successes you get on TQ, when you make some i will read them, check them for truth and accuracy as you tend to lie a lot, then i may comment on them. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.

Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.03.12 21:59:00 - [281] Man I've missed all the fun while at work. I've been doing it wrong all this time!!!!! damn it. Mag's > Wait guys, I'm just going to warp out and back in again. waits Mag's > Still aligning, won't be long now. waits Mag's > In warp now, I'll turn and warp back asap. waits Mag's > Just coming out of warp, I'll turn in a mo and warp to Bill waits Mag's > Right I'm turning. waits Mag's > Almost in warp. waits Mag's > OK now warping back. *waits Mag's > What do you mean the fights over???????? Regards Mag's
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:00:00 - [282] Edited by: NightmareX on 12/03/2009 22:01:45 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/03/2009 21:55:02 Originally by: NightmareX And if this was in empire, then what?. Then it's fully possible. Because ppl do not fit points or have tacklers in empire?????.... Originally by: NightmareX And if this is in 0.0 space, you should MWD ASAP out of a bubble anyways, so you better MWD to the targets instead as long they are not in the bubble them self. That brings us back to virtually perma running a MWD and chasing after every hostile ship...is: being useless and losing. Originally by: NightmareX And oh, have you forgotten to give me an answer on why Blasters works so good for me?. I have seen you make no posts about any massive and regular successes you get on TQ, when you make some i will read them, check them for truth and accuracy as you tend to lie a lot, then i may comment on them. Oh god, your loving to twist on the words here dude. If the tacklers are near our gang in empire, their so gonna die anyways, and if the tacklers are scrambling us and then their BS'es are coming close to us. Then what will happen?. Yes this is if we are in a med size Gallente BS gang. About the MWD thing again. Do you wanna kill the targets or run away or sit still in a Bubble?. And also, if you can't answer me on why Blasters works pretty good for me, then i'll guess you sucks. Every player who use Blasters right knows that Blasters is working good. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:00:00 - [283] Originally by: Mag's Man I've missed all the fun while at work. I've been doing it wrong all this time!!!!! damn it. Mag's > Wait guys, I'm just going to warp out and back in again. waits Mag's > Still aligning, won't be long now. waits Mag's > In warp now, I'll turn and warp back asap. waits Mag's > Just coming out of warp, I'll turn in a mo and warp to Bill waits Mag's > Right I'm turning. waits Mag's > Almost in warp. waits Mag's > OK now warping back. *waits Mag's > What do you mean the fights over???????? They wait for you on sissi though...maybe you should fly there.. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:05:00 - [284] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/03/2009 22:05:01 Originally by: NightmareX blah blah worthless troll... And also, if you can't answer me on why Blasters works pretty good for me, then i'll guess you sucks Lets hear some of your uber TQ BLASTER BS experiences from the last few months (or even from since the web nerf ect) and i may make a comment. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:05:00 - [285] Originally by: Mag's Man I've missed all the fun while at work. I've been doing it wrong all this time!!!!! damn it. Mag's > Wait guys, I'm just going to warp out and back in again. waits Mag's > Still aligning, won't be long now. waits Mag's > In warp now, I'll turn and warp back asap. waits Mag's > Just coming out of warp, I'll turn in a mo and warp to Bill waits Mag's > Right I'm turning. waits Mag's > Almost in warp. waits Mag's > OK now warping back. *waits Mag's > What do you mean the fights over???????? Yeah what else would you do?, we have to do something to spare on the cap on the Mega because you seems to have a big problem with the ship by using the MWD a bit in a fight. First you whine like an idiot that omgomgwaaaaaah we have to use so much cap to get to the targets. Then fine, i gave a solution to use way less cap. Happy now?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:06:00 - [286] Very happy. Comedy gold infact. Regards Mag's
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:07:00 - [287] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX blah blah worthless troll... And also, if you can't answer me on why Blasters works pretty good for me, then i'll guess you sucks Lets hear some of your uber TQ BS experiences from the last few months (or even from since the web nerf ect) and i may make a comment. Lets hear something from your uber EFT stats, they seems to be so damn true. 1k DPS from a Geddon must be better than a Megathron with 950 DPS in every possible way, because it says the DPS is better, rite?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:07:00 - [288] Originally by: NightmareX Yeah what else would you do?, we have to do something to spare on the cap on the Mega because you seems to have a big problem with the ship by using the MWD a bit in a fight. First you whine like an idiot that omgomgwaaaaaah we have to use so much cap to get to the targets. Then fine, i gave a solution to use way less cap. Happy now?. A naive and stupid idea that only works if the opposition has not tackle ships or even tackle fitted on any of their other ships is not a solution its a joke. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:08:00 - [289] Originally by: Mag's Very happy. Comedy gold infact. Yeah it's pretty comedy gold that this is actually a solution to the noobs with no capacitor skills. Because they can't use the MWD much before they run out of cap heh. More happy now?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:09:00 - [290] Edited by: NightmareX on 12/03/2009 22:11:33 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX Yeah what else would you do?, we have to do something to spare on the cap on the Mega because you seems to have a big problem with the ship by using the MWD a bit in a fight. First you whine like an idiot that omgomgwaaaaaah we have to use so much cap to get to the targets. Then fine, i gave a solution to use way less cap. Happy now?. A naive and stupid idea that only works if the opposition has not tackle ships or even tackle fitted on any of their other ships is not a solution its a joke. Tell me exactly why that's a stupid idea and a joke?. I want to hear your story to see if your any smart when it's about that. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise

sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:16:00 - [291] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/03/2009 22:16:29 Originally by: NightmareX Lets hear something from your uber EFT stats, they seems to be so damn true. 1k DPS from a Geddon must be better than a Megathron with 950 DPS in every possible way, because it says the DPS is better, rite?. Need to change the subject do you, hardly surprising after making a tool of yourself....maybe you should have picked a better one. Interesting that you pick the geddon but considering the 1k dps from the geddon is from 0-45km then yes its a better gunship when you consider the available targets and realistic uses of BS on TQ. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:20:00 - [292] Edited by: NightmareX on 12/03/2009 22:26:13 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX Lets hear something from your uber EFT stats, they seems to be so damn true. 1k DPS from a Geddon must be better than a Megathron with 950 DPS in every possible way, because it says the DPS is better, rite?. Need to change the subject do you, hardly surprising and making a tool of yourself....maybe you should have picked a better one. Interesting that you pick the geddon but considering the 1k dps from the geddon is from 0-45km then yes its a better gunship when you consider the available targets and realistic uses of BS on TQ. Yeah, and those 1k DPS from a geddon at 2 km on an omni tanked BS is going to be how much DPS??????. Take the omni tank into the picture here. A Megathron with 900 DPS is going to do alot more damage to my Tempest for example than a geddon with 1k DPS would do, just for your information. But no, the range isn't all. The range advantage on Lasers is ONLY because Amarr ships isn't suited to use speed mods. And therefor, Lasers have got the range. But still, take the omni tank into the picture and those 1k DPS is going to be laughtable. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:30:00 - [293] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/03/2009 22:33:08 Originally by: NightmareX Yeah, and those 1k DPS from a geddon at 2 km on an omni tanked BS is going to be how much DPS??????. Take the omni tank into the picture here. The omni tank effects at any range nublet and against another BS it would still be good as the BS would obviously be tackled and close to if not stationary, as well as that 300+ of the dps is from drones and so would be thermal like the megas ect ect... The omni tank makes very little realistic difference when you are in BS gang combat anybody who plays on TQ or can read the KillBoards in eve and see what ships are the top dmg dealers in BS gang combat (amarr) knows that. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Wannabehero Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:30:00 - [294] Blasters by far have too coolest animation now. That must be worth something -- Don't harsh my mellow
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:46:00 - [295] Edited by: NightmareX on 12/03/2009 22:52:14 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/03/2009 22:33:08 Originally by: NightmareX Yeah, and those 1k DPS from a geddon at 2 km on an omni tanked BS is going to be how much DPS??????. Take the omni tank into the picture here. The omni tank effects at any range nublet and against another BS it would still be good as the BS would obviously be tackled and close to if not stationary, as well as that 300+ of the dps is from drones and so would be thermal like the megas ect ect... The omni tank makes very little realistic difference when you are in BS gang combat anybody who plays on TQ or can read the KillBoards in eve and see what ships are the top dmg dealers in BS gang combat (amarr) knows that. If you think that the high EM and Thermal resist doesn't have anything to say in a fleet fight, then your dumb. Yes this is for all ranges. The higher EM and Thermal resist you have, the longer your going to stay alive against ships with Lasers. Because of the omni tank resists, 5 Megathrons with, lets say, 950 DPS each would pop an Abaddon way faster than 5 Abaddons with 1k DPS would pop a Megathron. This would be at 3-4 KM range. But yes, if you warp your gang with Laser ships in at 30 km, you will get a head start, or you will get an advantage. But that's ONLY if you do that. Personally, i haven't seen a gang with mostly Amarr BS'es or other Laser ships that warps in and then lands 30-35 km from the targets many times. I can count that on both of my hands, so yeah, it's not often that happens. Gangs today use to just warp right into the target, or just warp into snipe spot if your in a sniper BS. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Liang Nuren No Salvation Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:50:00 - [296] Originally by: NightmareX Because of the omni tank resists, 5 Megathrons with, lets say, 950 DPS each would pop an Abaddon way faster than 5 Abaddons with 1k DPS would pop a Megathron. My gut tells me this is wrong. The Abaddons have more ehp than the megas and will wtfpwn them because of it. Fleet effectiveness is a function of ratio(ehp, dps). -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.12 22:55:00 - [297] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: NightmareX Because of the omni tank resists, 5 Megathrons with, lets say, 950 DPS each would pop an Abaddon way faster than 5 Abaddons with 1k DPS would pop a Megathron. My gut tells me this is wrong. The Abaddons have more ehp than the megas and will wtfpwn them because of it. Fleet effectiveness is a function of ratio(ehp, dps). -Liang The EHP bonus on the Abaddons wont help much when the Blaster BS'es takes a bit more DPS than the Abaddons in that situation. Also when they are in the Blasters optimal range. Or as i see it, the Blasters takes a bit more DPS than Abaddon do when you take the Omni tanks into the picture, but to counter that so things get more balanced, then Amarr BS'es have more EHP. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:00:00 - [298] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/03/2009 23:05:57 Originally by: NightmareX If you think that the high EM and Thermal resist doesn't have anything to say in a fleet fight, then your dumb. Yes this is for all ranges. Its not as big a deal as you are making out cos if it was amarr would not be top dmg dealers so regularly, you just play 1 v 1 on sissi too much cos in gang combat its nothing.. Originally by: NightmareX But yes, if you warp your gang with Laser ships in at 30 km, you will get a head star, or you will get an advantage. But that's ONLY if you do that. Ships move noob, you drop on top of the amarr gang at 2km and they will all burn away firing while the blaster ships need to hug the primary. So yea the first amarr ship will get melted and maybe the second but after that the megas are playing catch up and need to accelerate after ships at top speed...... and all that time the laser ships are doing 1000+ raw dps chewing up the megas. Every time you post you show how inexperienced and naive you are about the reality of TQ combat, i have known eft warriors more experienced than you. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:05:00 - [299] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX If you think that the high EM and Thermal resist doesn't have anything to say in a fleet fight, then your dumb. Yes this is for all ranges. Its not as big a deal as you are making out cos if it was amarr would not be top dmg dealers so regularly. Originally by: NightmareX But yes, if you warp your gang with Laser ships in at 30 km, you will get a head star, or you will get an advantage. But that's ONLY if you do that. Ships move noob, you drop on top of the amarr gang at 2km and they will all burn away firing while the blaster ships need to hug the primary. So yea the first amarr ship will get melted and maybe the second but after that the megas are playing catch up and need to accelerate after ships at top speed...... and all that time the laser ships are doing 1000+ raw dps chewing up the megas. Every time you post you show how inexperienced and naive you are about the reality of TQ combat, i have known eft warriors more experienced than you. Uhm, your 1000 DPS is not 1000 DPS because of the Omni tanks. How many times do i have to tell you that?, 4897938 more times?. The tank on the Megas doesn't go down only because they start to MWD after some ships. Yeah like you did show any more smart ideas by that reply. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.12 23:09:00 - [300] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 12/03/2009 23:15:43 Originally by: NightmareX Uhm, your 1000 DPS is not 1000 DPS because of the Omni tanks. How many times do i have to tell you that?, 4897938 more times?. The tank on the Megas doesn't go down only because they start to MWD after some ships. I said 1000 raw dps fool, you used the raw dps figures in your first post not me. And i never said the megas tank drops if it MWD's.......its DMG out put drops a crap tonne though noob i figured that was so obvious it did not need to be pointed out, i forgot i was talking to a fool.. Learn to read. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.



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