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NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.09 21:12:00 - [121] Originally by: Arlekina So you got no TQ killmails with blasters? Lets see them. BTW TQ =/= Sisi. First off, killmails is overrated deluxe. 2nd. I don't need to give you any killmails just to know that Blasters are fine. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.09 21:16:00 - [122] Originally by: NightmareX First off, killmails is overrated deluxe. 2nd. I don't need to give you any killmails just to know that Blasters are fine. TRANSLATION I HAVE HARDLY ANY KILLS ON TQ AND THE FEW THAT I DO HAVE ARE NOT EXACTLY BLASTER SHIP HEAVY... There ya go. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Smokeyblood	Posted - 2009.03.09 21:17:00 - [123] Originally by: Fistme Blasters are good for 1v1, lasers are better for everything else. Guess how often people 1v1. So to reply to the OP before I get myself off topic I suggest you train for the zealot and later try and skill up to the geddon and apoc. Geddon is king of RR med range fleet battles, Apoc is king of long range fleet battles! The Zealot is a great ship for roaming hac gangs and is very effective with both pulse and beams! Now for the Blaster Whine! (you all knew it was coming) Now I think most people that are at least mildly objective about the current state of PVP understand that Blasters could be much better in their point blank role to add a little diversity to small and medium sized gangs that are currently dominated by the RR, high EHP, long range DPS of the Amarr ships. What I propose is to increase the dps of medium and large blasters by 5-7% while also increase the amount of cap they use(oh noes! a trade off!). I do not think that any adjustment to small blasters is needed as the ships they are commonly fitted to are doing amazingly well, if not too well! A scaled buff to blasters across the entire lineup would most certainly make these ships (taranis, ishkur) far too potent. How does minmitar fit in to this scheme? worth training or just stick with amarr
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:12:00 - [124] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/03/2009 22:15:04 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 09/03/2009 21:12:12 Originally by: NightmareX Like that have anything to say?. It's a reason it's a TEST SERVER. It's because we can test out everything on sisi that are on market to 100 isk. Sisi is not to grind missions everytime just to get isk to buy some things to test out. You do not test on sissi you play on sissi cos its cheaper and easier as there are rules and BF areas ect. Oh and you have been using virtually the same ECMPEST fit for god knows how long now...... ......just how much more "testing" can it need before its ready for TQ... Originally by: NightmareX I REALLY hope you understand it. Because if you don't, then how you understand how Blasters work then?, if you cannot see the difference by using t1 and t2 rigs / Slave & Crystal set on sisi. It wouldn't be any different. But you get my point yeah?. Or are you to dumb to understand that. Using T2 rigs and HG implants on sissi makes any data taken useless for TQ as ppl do not generally use T2 rigs and HG implants on TQ. And if you cannot see how using T2 Armour rigs and slaves ect would effect your results when fighting CAP dependent ships then it is you who are dumb beyond belief. Let alone how speed rigs and all the other T2 rig and implant items ppl hardly ever use would effect what ever results you get. To the first point. Wow, it's a BF and FFA arena there, really?, what are those for?, hmmmmm, isn't those for testing out the things you want to test out on your ships?. And also, yeah it's cheaper, but who cares about isk on sisi. Isk is worthless on sisi anyways. What does the cheap items have to do with the testing to do?. I would still test all the same things if it have been 1 mill per item on market. it wouldn't make a damn difference. And take my ECM Tempest out of this topic. Your emo rage whining about the Tempest you can take the the kids in WoW. This topic is about Blasters. Oh by the way, my Tempest is more a Neut Tempest than it is an ECM Tempest. To the second thing about rigs. It's not useless when everybody else on sisi is using t2 rigs and Slaves / Crystal sets. It will rather get useless for me to test with t1 rigs and no implants against everybody else with t2 rigs and Slaves and Crystal sets. But hey, your to dumb to get it. And because of that, it wont have ANYTHING to say, at all. It will be the same if no one on sisi had rigs, but i had one rig. I will get the advantage over them, and then i'm more likely to get much much better results. Also, when everybody is using t2 rigs there, it wont be different from that no one would use rigs at all on sisi. If everyone didn't had used rigs on sisi, then we would still be equally good to each others. And it's the same if everyone is using t2 rigs. We all are equal to each others then to. Anyways, i'm waiting for sophisticatedlimabean next emo rage and rabble rabble rabble whine. Or the next poor excuse. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Dethis Caldari Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:18:00 - [125] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 09/03/2009 22:15:04 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 09/03/2009 21:12:12 Originally by: NightmareX Like that have anything to say?. It's a reason it's a TEST SERVER. It's because we can test out everything on sisi that are on market to 100 isk. Sisi is not to grind missions everytime just to get isk to buy some things to test out. You do not test on sissi you play on sissi cos its cheaper and easier as there are rules and BF areas ect. Oh and you have been using virtually the same ECMPEST fit for god knows how long now...... ......just how much more "testing" can it need before its ready for TQ... Originally by: NightmareX I REALLY hope you understand it. Because if you don't, then how you understand how Blasters work then?, if you cannot see the difference by using t1 and t2 rigs / Slave & Crystal set on sisi. It wouldn't be any different. But you get my point yeah?. Or are you to dumb to understand that. Using T2 rigs and HG implants on sissi makes any data taken useless for TQ as ppl do not generally use T2 rigs and HG implants on TQ. And if you cannot see how using T2 Armour rigs and slaves ect would effect your results when fighting CAP dependent ships then it is you who are dumb beyond belief. Let alone how speed rigs and all the other T2 rig and implant items ppl hardly ever use would effect what ever results you get. To the first point. Wow, it's a BF and FFA arena there, really?, what are those for?, hmmmmm, isn't those for testing out the things you want to test out on your ships?. And also, yeah it's cheaper, but who cares about isk on sisi. Isk is worthless on sisi anyways. What does the cheap items have to do with the testing to do?. I would still test all the same things if it have been 1 mill per item on market. it wouldn't make a damn difference. And take my ECM Tempest out of this topic. Your emo rage whining about the Tempest you can take the the kids in WoW. This topic is about Blasters. Oh by the way, my Tempest is more a Neut Tempest than it is an ECM Tempest. To the second thing about rigs. It's not useless when everybody else on sisi is using t2 rigs and Slaves / Crystal sets. It will rather get useless for me to test with t1 rigs and no implants against everybody else with t2 rigs and Slaves and Crystal sets. But hey, your to dumb to get it. And because of that, it wont have ANYTHING to say, at all. It will be the same if no one on sisi had rigs, but i had one rig. I will get the advantage over them, and then i'm more likely to get much much better results. Also, when everybody is using t2 rigs there, it wont be different from that no one would use rigs at all on sisi. If everyone didn't had used rigs on sisi, then we would still be equally good to each others. And it's the same if everyone is using t2 rigs. We all are equal to each others then to. Anyways, i'm waiting for sophisticatedlimabean next emo rage and rabble rabble rabble whine. Or the next poor excuse. TBQH atm without trying to whine, i am fully blaster/drone specced and there is little reason to fly a blaster ship currently. The drone boats out preform them almost unanimously and blasters currently suffer on a medium large level. This doesn't mean they don't work at all however they are at a disadvantage currently after the web nerf and the scram changes. --------
Ig Neus	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:21:00 - [126] Edited by: Ig Neus on 09/03/2009 22:23:51 Quote: So which gallente blaster ships do you regularly take on gangs that are effective? What ships do you solo in that are effective? I am almost exclusively flying a Taranis nowadays. It happens to be a blaster boat so here are some kills : Crusader 1v1 Crow 1v1 Crow 1v1 no2 Apocalypse At this last, note that I top the Killmail, while Geddon and Ishtar started warping as soon as I tackled. Indeed, Blasters are weak. If you want to come by Tash-Murkon Prime, we can also test if Ishkur or Thorax are effective 1v1 against their class as well. Just make sure you come with an expensive fitting :)
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:22:00 - [127] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 09/03/2009 22:25:29 Originally by: NightmareX And also, yeah it's cheaper, but who cares about isk on sisi. Isk is worthless on sisi anyways. What does the cheap items have to do with the testing to do?. I would still test all the same things if it have been 1 mill per item on market. it wouldn't make a damn difference. You do not test on sissi you play on sissi cos your favorite style has no real application on TQ and if you tried it on TQ you would get owned by gangs, costing you a lot more than a few 100 isk. Originally by: NightmareX To the second thing about rigs. It's not useless when everybody else on sisi is using t2 rigs and Slaves / Crystal sets. It will rather get useless for me to test with t1 rigs and no implants against everybody else with t2 rigs and Slaves and Crystal sets. But hey, your to dumb to get it. Its you who do not get it as you just owned yourself... IF you do "tests" as you say you do (and lie about) then its just as easy to arrange for your testing teams/members to fit T1 rigs and no implants (or only the basic ones most ppl fit on TQ) as it is to pimp out their ships with HG implants and T2 rigs. You would know that and do it if you had a clue about real time testing on TQ, but you do not test you play with HG/pimped fits cheaply in a controlled enviroment. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Dethis Caldari Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:24:00 - [128] Originally by: Ig Neus I am almost exclusively flying a Taranis nowadays. It happens to be a blaster boat so here are some kills : Crusader 1v1 Crow 1v1 Crow 1v1 no2 Apocalypse At this last, note that I top the Killmail, while Geddon and Ishtar started warping as soon as I tackled. Indeed, Blasters are weak. I think the main trend in this thread was to agree that small blasters are more then fine and usually the ships in this class are the top of the field, ishkur and taranis being the 2 best imo af/inty's however this trend does not continue into BC/Cruiser/BS hulls --------
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:28:00 - [129] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX And also, yeah it's cheaper, but who cares about isk on sisi. Isk is worthless on sisi anyways. What does the cheap items have to do with the testing to do?. I would still test all the same things if it have been 1 mill per item on market. it wouldn't make a damn difference. You do not test on sissi you play on sissi cos your favorite style has no real application on TQ. Originally by: NightmareX To the second thing about rigs. It's not useless when everybody else on sisi is using t2 rigs and Slaves / Crystal sets. It will rather get useless for me to test with t1 rigs and no implants against everybody else with t2 rigs and Slaves and Crystal sets. But hey, your to dumb to get it. Its you who do not get it as you just owned yourself... IF you do "tests" as you say you do (and lie about) then its just as easy to arrange for your testing teams/members to fit T1 rigs and no implants (or only the basic ones most ppl fit on TQ) as it is to pimp out their ships with HG implants and T2 rigs. You would know that and do it if you had a clue about real time testing on TQ, but you do not test you play with HG/pimped fits cheaply in a controlled enviroment. I use sisi to test out things. When i need to test out a new setup to a ship, then i'm logging on to Sisi right on. And why do you goes emo rage over that everyone on sisi is using HG implants and t2 rigs?. EVERYONE IS USING THOSE THERE. Don't you get it?. If peoples on sisi wouldn't use t2 rigs there, then i wouldn't use it either, because my tests wouldn't be acurate if i had been using t2 rigs then. Yeah FFA 1 is very controlled environment. And so you know it. The tests is do in my pimped Navy Mega there is tests that isn't taken into my results there. Only normal ships with t2 fittings is taken into the picture there. Because taking a faction / Deadspace / deadspace fitted Navy Mega against a normal Raven is soooooooo gonna make my results very good. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Ig Neus	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:30:00 - [130] Originally by: Dethis I think the main trend in this thread was to agree that small blasters are more then fine and usually the ships in this class are the top of the field, ishkur and taranis being the 2 best imo af/inty's however this trend does not continue into BC/Cruiser/BS hulls You managed to answer before I edited it. If you or anybody else wants to check if Blasters on a Cruiser suck, you are welcome to come to Tash-Murkon and try it with my Thorax. Just make sure you bring an expensive fitting as well :) I do not like soloing in BC or bigger ships however. Still I got no answer to my previous question about the Brutix. Can anyone think of a Tier 1 Battlecruiser that is even remotely close to being as used as this Blaster ship? Ferox? Prophecy? Cyclone? There must be a reason for that, right?

Koloch Amarr Warriors Lost	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:37:00 - [131] NightmareX, you I kind of see your point regarding leveling the testing field, but it is a bit flawed. Nobody is going to put 400mil isk worth of rigs on a 80 mil BS -or atleast there are very few. With that in mind you are adding too many variables to the test case and assume that pirate implants + t2 rigs are balanced. I've done a fair bit of testing on sisi and I've never flown anything that I couldn't afford to fly on TQ. Limabeanguy is correct in saying that if you want to call your tests valid then you should be testing against TQ realistic ship setups/implant configs.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:38:00 - [132] Originally by: Ig Neus I do not like soloing in BC or bigger ships however. Still I got no answer to my previous question about the Brutix. Can anyone think of a Tier 1 Battlecruiser that is even remotely close to being as used as this Blaster ship? Ferox? Prophecy? Cyclone? There must be a reason for that, right? Im not going to bite on the Tier 1 only part of your post as it a poor way to limit a selection when a player has the option of either. The Drake, Harbi and Cane are more used than the Brutix or the Myrm though.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:41:00 - [133] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/03/2009 22:42:16 Originally by: Koloch NightmareX, you I kind of see your point regarding leveling the testing field, but it is a bit flawed. Nobody is going to put 400mil isk worth of rigs on a 80 mil BS -or atleast there are very few. With that in mind you are adding too many variables to the test case and assume that pirate implants + t2 rigs are balanced. I've done a fair bit of testing on sisi and I've never flown anything that I couldn't afford to fly on TQ. Limabeanguy is correct in saying that if you want to call your tests valid then you should be testing against TQ realistic ship setups/implant configs. Well i see your point. But to bad, there isn't anything i can do with the t2 rigs and implants. When everyone is using those i can't just tell them to take all of it off just because i want to use my t1 rigged and no implanted character in a Tempest for example to be as much realistic as TQ. I have to take the fighting as much realistic as it can get on sisi. And still make sure it get's as much realistic as TQ as possible. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Dethis Caldari Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:43:00 - [134] Originally by: marakor Originally by: Ig Neus I do not like soloing in BC or bigger ships however. Still I got no answer to my previous question about the Brutix. Can anyone think of a Tier 1 Battlecruiser that is even remotely close to being as used as this Blaster ship? Ferox? Prophecy? Cyclone? There must be a reason for that, right? Im not going to bite on the Tier 1 only part of your post as it a poor way to limit a selection when a player has the option of either. The Drake, Harbi and Cane are more used than the Brutix or the Myrm though. This is what i was just about to post. The cane and harbi are far more used then any gallente BC t1 or not simply because they are more versatile and usefull in small to large gangs --------
UMEE Tactical Initiative	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:46:00 - [135] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: UMEE lasers > drones > projectiles > hybrids > missiles Drones have many limitations that makes them useless in many pvp situations. Turrets in general always work wich makes them the perfect pvp weapon. Drones and missiles cant really be compared with turrets as they have their moment in some situations and completely suck in others. sentries. which turrets work? i would say only lasers "generally work" in "most" situations. minnies have autocannons, which are awesome, despite dps being on the lower side. no reason to choose railguns over lasers. and blasters have too many limitations as is being discussed. did i miss anything? reason i listed drones as a weapon system is due to some really good drone boats out there. obviously, without the ishtar/domi, drones wouldnt really be a weapon system. so what im saying is: once u can load out heavies, sentries, ECM, and light drones there are very few situations you cant deal with.
Ig Neus	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:48:00 - [136] Edited by: Ig Neus on 09/03/2009 22:48:19 Originally by: marakor Im not going to bite on the Tier 1 only part of your post as it a poor way to limit a selection when a player has the option of either. The Drake, Harbi and Cane are more used than the Brutix or the Myrm though. The difference in the prices of a Brutix and Harbinger where I live is more than the difference between a Harbinger and a Dominix. So there is a good reason to limit the choices to Tier 1 BCs. Unless Isk is not an issue but it actually IS for most people PvPing.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:49:00 - [137] Originally by: NightmareX I use sisi to test out things. When i need to test out a new setup to a ship, then i'm logging on to Sisi right on. And why do you goes emo rage over that everyone on sisi is using HG implants and t2 rigs?. EVERYONE IS USING THOSE THERE. Don't you get it?. That is because most ppl on sissi are like YOU and use sissi to play with fits they would never use on TQ, instead of actually fitting the same way they do on TQ and organizing proper tests. I use TQ fits with T1 rigs + cheap implants and so do the ppl who i test with because the tests we do are going to be applied on TQ. You just play with expensive fits that have no application on TQ, then try to convince yourself and others that your sissi warrior "skills" make you a experienced and knowledgable pvper...they do not at least not ob TQ. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Dethis Caldari Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:50:00 - [138] Originally by: Ig Neus Edited by: Ig Neus on 09/03/2009 22:48:19 Originally by: marakor Im not going to bite on the Tier 1 only part of your post as it a poor way to limit a selection when a player has the option of either. The Drake, Harbi and Cane are more used than the Brutix or the Myrm though. The difference in the prices of a Brutix and Harbinger where I live is more than the difference between a Harbinger and a Dominix. So there is a good reason to limit the choices to Tier 1 BCs. Unless Isk is not an issue but it actually IS for most people PvPing. Being insurable kind of makes that a non factor unless you are pretty broke --------
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:52:00 - [139] Originally by: Ig Neus Originally by: Dethis I think the main trend in this thread was to agree that small blasters are more then fine and usually the ships in this class are the top of the field, ishkur and taranis being the 2 best imo af/inty's however this trend does not continue into BC/Cruiser/BS hulls You managed to answer before I edited it. If you or anybody else wants to check if Blasters on a Cruiser suck, you are welcome to come to Tash-Murkon and try it with my Thorax. Just make sure you bring an expensive fitting as well :) I do not like soloing in BC or bigger ships however. Still I got no answer to my previous question about the Brutix. Can anyone think of a Tier 1 Battlecruiser that is even remotely close to being as used as this Blaster ship? Ferox? Prophecy? Cyclone? There must be a reason for that, right? Could pay you a visit after the patch. Because the Myrmidon is a Drone Ship and the Brutix is a Gunship(both are diffrent instead of bigger = better). Cyclone -> Hurricane both Gunships. Prophecy -> Harbinger both Gunships. Ferox -> Drake(Gunship -> Missleship, but more related to sniping) ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:52:00 - [140] Edited by: NightmareX on 09/03/2009 22:54:54 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean That is because most ppl on sissi are like YOU and use sissi to play with fits they would never use on TQ, instead of actually fitting the same way they do on TQ and organizing proper tests. I use TQ fits with T1 rigs + cheap implants and so do the ppl who i test with because the tests we do are going to be applied on TQ. You just play with expensive fits that have no application on TQ, then try to convince yourself and others that your sissi warrior "skills" make you a experienced and knowledgable pvper...they do not at least not ob TQ. Rabble rabble rabble, whine whine whine. More excuses i can read?, so i have something to laught at while i eat food. LOL yeah, T2 fits are very expensive and they have no application on TQ, yeah, you hear the man. So my Navy mega is more important than all of the 436879674934965798567489567849 ships i'm testing out on sisi?. It's a single ship i use to test out sometimes when i'm bored. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise

marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:53:00 - [141] Originally by: Ig Neus Originally by: marakor Im not going to bite on the Tier 1 only part of your post as it a poor way to limit a selection when a player has the option of either. The Drake, Harbi and Cane are more used than the Brutix or the Myrm though. The difference in the prices of a Brutix and Harbinger where I live is more than the difference between a Harbinger and a Dominix. So there is a good reason to limit the choices to Tier 1 BCs. Unless Isk is not an issue but it actually IS for most people PvPing. After insurance has been taken into account its not going to be a particularly large or significant difference for a regular pvper/player.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:58:00 - [142] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 09/03/2009 22:59:36 Originally by: NightmareX LOL yeah, T2 fits are very expensive and they have no application on TQ, yeah, you hear the man. I said it and il repeat it!!!!!!!!!!. T2 rigs and HG implants ect ect have no place on a ship if you are doing valid testing for TQ conventional gang combat.....and you think that they do????????....can you say "utterly out of touch?". My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Fistme	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:01:00 - [143] Originally by: Smokeyblood Originally by: Fistme Blasters are good for 1v1, lasers are better for everything else. Guess how often people 1v1. So to reply to the OP before I get myself off topic I suggest you train for the zealot and later try and skill up to the geddon and apoc. Geddon is king of RR med range fleet battles, Apoc is king of long range fleet battles! The Zealot is a great ship for roaming hac gangs and is very effective with both pulse and beams! Now for the Blaster Whine! (you all knew it was coming) Now I think most people that are at least mildly objective about the current state of PVP understand that Blasters could be much better in their point blank role to add a little diversity to small and medium sized gangs that are currently dominated by the RR, high EHP, long range DPS of the Amarr ships. What I propose is to increase the dps of medium and large blasters by 5-7% while also increase the amount of cap they use(oh noes! a trade off!). I do not think that any adjustment to small blasters is needed as the ships they are commonly fitted to are doing amazingly well, if not too well! A scaled buff to blasters across the entire lineup would most certainly make these ships (taranis, ishkur) far too potent. How does minmitar fit in to this scheme? worth training or just stick with amarr Well to be honest I really don't have allot of flight time in minny ships however I've flown with many experianced pilots and understand the general advantages and disadvantages that they posses. The first bright light that I noticed with minny ships is their awsome t1 cruisers. Rupter with a 1600mm plate is a close range beast and the stabber is a fantastic low SP heavy tackler with the ability to outrun almost anything that has the potential to knock it out. As for their t2 frigs, the stilleto is bar none the best of the inty tacklers. It has unmatched speed and handling while sporting enough mid slots to tackle and be nearly nos proof. The Jaguar and Wolf are both decent however I feal that Gallente have better options in the AF department. Now to the vaga, oh the vaga :P. Big stabber with perfect resist bonus to make a LSE you fit give a fantastic amount of ehp. Minmatar also have a great BC, the Hurricane. They also grant you one of the best if not the best Command ship for solo ops, the Sleipner. As for BS, I don't really have much insight as i've never flown one. The Maelstorm can sport one hell of a tank while cramming it's lows with gyrostabs though, great close range fire support platform for gate humping.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:11:00 - [144] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 09/03/2009 22:59:36 Originally by: NightmareX LOL yeah, T2 fits are very expensive and they have no application on TQ, yeah, you hear the man. I said it and il repeat it!!!!!!!!!!. T2 rigs and HG implants ect ect have no place on a ship if you are doing valid testing for TQ conventional gang combat.....and you think that they do????????....can you say "utterly out of touch?". Ok, first, your still to dumb to see what i have explained over about the t2 rigs and hg implants on sisi. It's how it is, we just have to live with it. It's nothing i can change. And 2nd. Your reported for taking this topic way off topic. Can't i tell something about how Blasters is without you coming here and do your whining and take the topic out off topic by bringing in my ECM Tempest on sisi into the picture?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:18:00 - [145] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 09/03/2009 23:20:53 Originally by: NightmareX Ok, first, your still to dumb to see what i have explained over about the t2 rigs and hg implants on sisi. It's how it is, we just have to live with it. It's nothing i can change. You are to dumb to see how using modules not regularly used on TQ make your results worthless. Originally by: NightmareX And 2nd. Your reported for taking this topic way off topic. Can't i tell something about how Blasters is without you coming here and do your whining and take the topic out off topic by bringing in my ECM Tempest on sisi into the picture?. Questioning the competence and experience of the pilot, methods used in testing, plus the modules and ships you used to justify your post is perfectly ON TOPIC. And through that questioning we have found that you are a sissi warrior who uses unrealistic fits and some times ships that are not used regularly or at all in some cases on TQ, and PLAYS more on sissi than he does any actual valid or worthwhile testing. PS: Its you who brought your sissi warrior ECMPEST into this discussion not me, you may not have done so on this thread but you used it for reference on another thread several times that was on the exact same subject BLASTERS. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:23:00 - [146] Edited by: Esmenet on 09/03/2009 23:23:41 Originally by: UMEE reason i listed drones as a weapon system is due to some really good drone boats out there. obviously, without the ishtar/domi, drones wouldnt really be a weapon system. so what im saying is: once u can load out heavies, sentries, ECM, and light drones there are very few situations you cant deal with. Obviously there are only 2 real droneboats. But here is some problems: Posbashing, fleetfights, low sec, some types of hac gangs. Yes sentries have fewer/different drawbacks, but in many cases you have to be willing to run away from your drones if things dont go your way and then you lose what 5-10 mill for a set of t2 Garde or whatever type you use and probably have to go somewhere to fill up your dronebay again. And then i havent even considered the possibility of your drones getting blown up. Drones worked pretty good in the old closerange nanogangs when i used a nanoishtar, but i hardly ever use droneboats anymore even though my best race is still gallente. Maybe i didnt make it clear but even if railguns do less dps than lasers you can still hit stuff when using it. You dont get in the situations like drone/missile users in gangs where your weapons are popped so you cant do any damage, or they are so slow the target is gone by the time your missiles reach a target. If you cant use blasters due to range issues you can still use railguns with the same skills. So if you only use one weapon system it should be turrets, energy, projectile or hybrids. Drones need a revamp and the droneboats should be more focused around drones. But now we are far off topic.
Takeshi Yamato	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:25:00 - [147] At BS level the dps advantage of blasters isn't as big as at cruiser and frig level. --> boost large blaster dps a little bit. Range too short on blasters? Let Null give more range but less dps. Can't have equal range and better damage than other weapon systems.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:28:00 - [148] Originally by: NightmareX Ok, first, your still to dumb to see what i have explained over about the t2 rigs and hg implants on sisi. It's how it is, we just have to live with it. It's nothing i can change. And 2nd. Your reported for taking this topic way off topic. Can't i tell something about how Blasters is without you coming here and do your whining and take the topic out off topic by bringing in my ECM Tempest on sisi into the picture?. This topic is not about my Tempest on sisi. You just owned yourself for the n'th time in this topic. And you cant say anything about how blasters is because you dont really use it in a real setting.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:32:00 - [149] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: NightmareX Ok, first, your still to dumb to see what i have explained over about the t2 rigs and hg implants on sisi. It's how it is, we just have to live with it. It's nothing i can change. You are to dumb to see how using modules not regularly used on TQ make your results worthless. Originally by: NightmareX And 2nd. Your reported for taking this topic way off topic. Can't i tell something about how Blasters is without you coming here and do your whining and take the topic out off topic by bringing in my ECM Tempest on sisi into the picture?. Questioning the competence and experience of the pilot, methods used in testing, plus the modules and ships you used to justify your post is perfectly ON TOPIC. And through that questioning we have found that you are a sissi warrior who uses unrealistic fits and some times ships that are not used regularly or at all in some cases on TQ, and PLAYS more on sissi than he does any actual valid or worthwhile testing. You first say this: You are to dumb to see how using modules not regularly used on TQ make your results worthless. And your still to dumb to see that EVERYONE ON SISI is using Slaves and that + t2 rigs. Why should i not use it then?. Can you answer me that?. It's not like i can just say bam and then everyone is using t1 rigs and no hg implants on sisi. I don't care about what you say about TQ, all i think about is to test on Sisi and test after how sisi is. Get it?. I can't just use same setups and that only because that's TQ. And because everyone on Sisi is using t2 rigs and hg implants on sisi, then i will do it to. Maybe you should go and whine to CCP that they should remove t2 rigs and hg implants from sisi so you can get happy. My Blaster Mega will not be any worser if i have t1 rigs and no slaves on then, because if CCP have removed those, then no one else have it on sisi. So your point is?. And you tell me that i'm a Sisi warrior. Ok, your an EFT warrier then. Who would any of you here trust between an EFT warrior who only looks at some numbers and a player (me) who actually use things and test it out on sisi and get some results?. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Koloch Amarr Warriors Lost	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:34:00 - [150] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 09/03/2009 22:42:16 Originally by: Koloch NightmareX, you I kind of see your point regarding leveling the testing field, but it is a bit flawed. Nobody is going to put 400mil isk worth of rigs on a 80 mil BS -or atleast there are very few. With that in mind you are adding too many variables to the test case and assume that pirate implants + t2 rigs are balanced. I've done a fair bit of testing on sisi and I've never flown anything that I couldn't afford to fly on TQ. Limabeanguy is correct in saying that if you want to call your tests valid then you should be testing against TQ realistic ship setups/implant configs. Well i see your point. But to bad, there isn't anything i can do with the t2 rigs and implants. When everyone is using those i can't just tell them to take all of it off just because i want to use my t1 rigged and no implanted character in a Tempest for example to be as much realistic as TQ. I have to take the fighting as much realistic as it can get on sisi. And still make sure it get's as much realistic as TQ as possible. Well there are a few people that probably wouldn't mind doing that. I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask. There are players that do log on to do valid testing. Having said that the thing I hate most about sisi is it's more about people interested in playing the arcade version of eve then actually testing.



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