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General Windypops
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization
relavant to who?
TBH CCP have to think about the promotional impact of what they cover at times like this. "Huge multiplayer alliance disbands enemy by buying out director" isn't as interesting to the new player as what guys like Butterdog and Jade are doing on a smaller scale.
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Amiable Quinn
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization
relavant to who?
Hey look, later in the paragraph I explained this:
"The actions we take have a much larger effect on the EvE community (ship prices due to moon mining operations ceasing/beginning, disruption in travel in a large portion of space, mass migration and opportunities for Empire corps to take over abandoned space)."
Reading is FUNdamental!
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KeratinBoy
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.22 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization
relavant to who?
TBH CCP have to think about the promotional impact of what they cover at times like this. "Huge multiplayer alliance disbands enemy by buying out director" isn't as interesting to the new player as what guys like Butterdog and Jade are doing on a smaller scale.
Firstly, I was under the impression ISD interviewed Haargoth. ( I could be wrong)
Secondly, yeah, why would a new player, overwhelmed with the steep learning curve that is Eve, want to read a story about one player who turned the game world on its ear?
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Cal Hydar
Caldari DAB PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.22 05:45:00 -
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Here we go again. Not sure why I keep trying to point out things for Goons to read, since they seem to be incappable. Here you go folks:
Quote: The War so Far
The war began when the CONCORD-registered Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded by a director, Haargoth Agamar, who defected to the alliance's enemy, GoonSwarm.
The member corporations of Band of Brothers reformed in KenZoku, previously an industrial alliance for Reikoku-affilliated corporations. Their previous Province and Capital sovereignties in the region were lost, but KenZoku was able to make a territorial sovereignty claim to systems formerly claimed under the Band of Brothers identity.
KenZoku's old enemies - GoonSwarm, Pandemic Legion and the Northern Coalition's RAZOR Alliance and Morsus Mihi - launched a full-scale invasion of the region, intending to conquer it before full sovereignty over the area could be restored.
The forces allied against KenZoku have attempted to confine most of the defender's forces into a Blood Raider Covenant station in PR-8CA and maintain a continual heavy guard in the system, while the rest of the attacking forces focus on removing the defending alliance's control towers.
Meanwhile, KenZoku's allies Against ALL Authorities are attacking the former home territories of GoonSwarm alongside C0ven and Stain Empire. GoonSwarm state that they have abandoned these systems for the time being and, it is claimed, will reconquer them once Delve has fallen.
To date, KenZoku has lost its sovereignty claims in 44 systems, though it then reclaimed two, while sufficient towers have survived to claim Protectorate sovereignty in some 70 systems in Catch, Delve, Querious, Detorid and Period Basis.
Quote: Dining in NOL
In particular, the outpost in NOL-M9 has assumed a symbolic importance in the conflict. It is widely rumoured that Goonswarm once vowed to dine in NOL-M9, the site of Band of Brother's outpost, The Alamo. (Ownership of the outpost passed to KenZoku and is currently with Pandemic Legion, who renamed it "The Lmao.")
XxAngelxX is CEO of The Illuminati, a Pandemic Legion corporation spoke about the conquest:
"We took it the first day that [sovereignty] dropped, then [KenZoku] retook it but we expect to have it back in about a week. We've had more important things to do than NOL-M9 recently.
"Pandemic Legion itself has / is in the process of taking FinFleet's sovereignty 4 constellation. We took the first station today in 5-6QW7. As for other sovereignty 4 constellations, I believe [GoonSwarm] and [the Northern Coalition] are well on their way with those too."
Since this interview, Pandemic Legion has completed both these objectives, holding both NOL-M9 and the 1-A81R constellation. XxAngelxX continued:
"There really has been little resistance. One of the major parts of this has been the 23/7 perma camp in PR-8CA which was well known to be [KenZoku's]... staging [area] and where they told GBC to regroup to, too.
"With their assets and ships locked in station, titans [caged] in their POS and massive issues with security, we haven't really seen much fight from them in the last couple of days. We've destroyed [approximately] 50 large POS in station systems in the last 2 days without resistance.
"At the moment, it's hardly a war. We'll see if [KenZoku] actually have a strategic plan after [Against ALL Authorities] finish with [the] old [GoonSwarm] space, but right now we are taking this space like no-one ever lived in it....the only battles we have had are ganking Shrike, ganking Waagaa's aeon and ganking an [Axiom Empire] aeon last night."
Drrrrr.... Reading is hard..
Please try and keep saying you haven't had fair coverage. You have had your share, as has KenZoku and AAA. Stop complaining about volunteers doing their best. -------- sig here |
Vladic Ka
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.22 08:34:00 -
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Drrrrrr......
Read the war so far again dude. Who was that piece about an in what light does it show them? I think you got your coverage meter all mixed up.
Drrrrr..
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Cal Hydar
Caldari DAB PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.22 09:27:00 -
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Accurate information is OBVIOUSLY bias. Crawl back in your hole little one... -------- sig here |
Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.22 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Dumbledore
Originally by: Stalina
Originally by: Professor Dumbledore
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Whatever happened to the Goonswarm theme that Eve is just a game? Goonswarm has done nothing but take Eve with the same seriousness as BoB/KenZoku for the past 2 years.
Submit news leads or apply to be a volunteer. Get off your butt and do something if you feel things should be changed (as if they need to be much).
We had a person submit about 10 news leads none of which were published.
Why so bitter? You still have the tentonhammercolumnposterguy, aint that good?
I dont give no ****s about ISD or the ****ty news they produced i was simply stating we did give leads and they didn't publish them.
Boohoohoo it's just a game, get over it. If the stuff you sent to ISD was written the same way you guys post on caod, I don't understand why...blahblah. I can has your stuff please? _________________________________
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Vladic Ka
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.22 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cal Hydar Accurate information is OBVIOUSLY bias. Crawl back in your hole little one...
Is this about acurate information or coverage? I just dont know what you are trying to get at.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.22 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization
relavant to who?
Hey look, later in the paragraph I explained this:
"The actions we take have a much larger effect on the EvE community (ship prices due to moon mining operations ceasing/beginning, disruption in travel in a large portion of space, mass migration and opportunities for Empire corps to take over abandoned space)."
Reading is FUNdamental!
Unless you where involved in the moon exploite you are haveing no effect on ship prices. the amount of high end moons the nc is sitting on is so much bigger than any thing and you are not disrupting there flow only makeing them more money.
again you and your alliance is only relavant to a very minor part of the games players.
"Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time" |
Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.22 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization
relavant to who?
TBH CCP have to think about the promotional impact of what they cover at times like this. "Huge multiplayer alliance disbands enemy by buying out director" isn't as interesting to the new player as what guys like Butterdog and Jade are doing on a smaller scale.
dont think a new player cares abut wtf is going on in 0.0.
"Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time" |
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O Thief
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.22 10:55:00 -
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look at all the silly goons, worried about how 'relevant' they are
is someone taking internet spaceships too seriously? i think so
you brosefs need to follow your own advice, and chill with a mojito
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C4w3
Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.22 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Amiable Quinn Edited by: Amiable Quinn on 22/03/2009 00:09:02
Originally by: Rodj Blake
What's the bigger achievement - taking down a POS when you have 200 members, or taking down a POS when you have 5000 members?
Also, if you were to count the number of mentions in the news that the Goons have had over the years, I'm sure that it's a higher number than the number of mentions that Veto have had.
Whats the bigger news story? A 200 member corp taking down a POS or a 5000 member corp and allies taking down 500? (It's also far and away the bigger achievement, but since this is internet spaceships, who cares.)
The issue isn't who is "mentioned" in the news story, the issue is who gets to tell their story. Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization has fewer of their news submissions accepted than a small mercenary alliance. The actions we take have a much larger effect on the EvE community (ship prices due to moon mining operations ceasing/beginning, disruption in travel in a large portion of space, mass migration and opportunities for Empire corps to take over abandoned space). It's like putting the neighborhood hero who tackled a burglar on the front page, but ignoring World War 2. Don't get me wrong, coverage of smaller corps has its place, I'm sure many folks would be fascinated with a "human interest" story about its can-do spirit and outstanding k/d ratios. But what is happening in Delve right now is far more relevant to the average player, and the lack of balance in coverage is problematic.
Also buttes.
You seem to care quit a bit .... must be those ten dollas you payed joining go0ns rite?
On a side not you and your assorted pubbies are aware of that you can talk to ISD etc right?
If not your CSM rep must know? ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Skyraker7
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.22 11:50:00 -
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Kugu in ISD would make the news much more interesting.
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Le Skunk
Gallente Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.03.22 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 22/03/2009 16:28:59 Anyone want to explain this "(anime is cartoons)" thingy? And by that i mean not the obvious part, just why it is parenthesized as a matter of course by posters.
Obviously it is a dig of some sort, i should like to learn the history of this dig.
Many thanks
SKUNK
IMPORTANAT SIDE NOTE:
1) We once had an ISD dood turn up at one of our gatecamps to report on how "pirates" operate. 2) We gave him stick (in game) - bumped his ship about, smartbombed him etc untill he went away. 3) He then went to rancer or some such place where there are attention *****s and wrote an article on pirating.
Moral of the side note - If your important enough to get an ISD reporter show up - they will show up. If your TRULY interesting enough to warrant an ISD reporter - you wont want him there.
(o)
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Verone
Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.22 21:40:00 -
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Awesome Veto Flaming, A++++++
Would read again.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Junkie Beverage
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.22 22:25:00 -
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this thread rules
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Liranan
Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.03.23 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Saaya Illirie Aw Mr. Goonie is sad because ISD didn't make a post to increase his E-Peen size and give him more to gloat about on forums. QQ more nublette.
Summarising the thread. Farjung is my God
You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link. |
Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Verone Awesome Veto Flaming, A++++++
Would read again.
We need an update. What is Veto doing RIGHT NOW? |
Verone
Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.23 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Totally Slick
Originally by: Verone Awesome Veto Flaming, A++++++
Would read again.
We need an update. What is Veto doing RIGHT NOW?
Not worrying about how much ISD cover we get.... we've got that covered, apparently.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Jack Gates
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 02:42:00 -
[320]
I wonder if ISD has flown into delve in the past two months.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Verone Awesome Veto Flaming, A++++++
Would read again.
Typical Goons - flaming Veto and ignoring PIE. I detect bias!
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Amiable Quinn Veto - small non-space holding group, specializes in small gang pvp, approximately 200 members Goonswarm - largest alliance in the game, held/holds enormous swaths of territory, currently holds most valuable territory in the game, Regularly has fleet battles involving hundreds/thousands of pilots, approximately 5000 members (not counting allies)
Who gets more coverage in ISD? Veto.
You are forgetting:
Veto - Highly individual identity, established leadership, excellent self-publicity, well known personalities in the community and (one would assume) know how to fill in news-lead forms correctly.
Goonswarm - Best known for spamming CAOD, uncommunicative leadership, generally poor publicity, 5000 random members (most people would be hard put to name six actual different goons) and (it appears from this thread) don't know how to fill in news-lead forms correctly.
Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh Amiable Quinn but I have no clue who you are or who 99.9% of goon posters are. I know of Darius, I know of Mitani, I know of Bane, and I know of Goumindong. But thats about it for goonswarm - the rest of the 4996 members have never done anything to distinguish themselves in game and are only visible through forum spamming CAOD. But thats the reality with a large organization I'm afraid - you don't join goonswarm to become famous - you join because you want to be an anonymous cog in the great machine and thats fine if it suits your playstyle but it does make it difficult for anyone on the outside to see what you are about.
Reminds me a bit of the space-monkeys from Fight Club - shaven heads and identical commitment to project mayhem. You only have a name in death. (Like Suas I guess).
Basically you need to realize that 5000 members is nothing in the grand universe of Eve online - a mere drop in the ocean. Most of the game couldn't care less about outposts in Delve or month long station camps. You'd get more actual impact suiciding mining barges or haulers in empire - then the general population would take notice.
You'd also get far more notice if you cut back the CAOD spam and had some actual leadership figures posting proper press releases from time to time that had content and news in them rather than flames and memes and in-jokes that mean nothing to the readership of CAOD let alone the rest of the forums.
Here's the thing. When Verone posts a press release as Veto people read it because its likely to say *something* about *something* happening in-game. Sure its not going to be a huge massive world-defining *something* thats going to make the sky collapse and carebears go screaming to the heavens in an orgy of cataclysmic emocide ... but its going to mean something.
When Goons post ... well, I guess most people outside goonswarm never read the threads. Eyes glaze over, boredom and yawns, its nothing orginal - nothing interesting, nothing worth reading. Its all trolling, fakeposts, lame jokes and circular memes that just aren't looking at.
Its the "less is more" school of penetrating PR message. You guys in goonswarm have tried carpet-bombing caod with a myriad identical voices saying "never mind the quality feel the width" and it hasn't worked. People switch off.
Thats really what the op post to this thread is actually about I think - its nothing to do with ISD News bias or anything like that. Its closer to a cry for help on the part of a goonswarm that doesn't really understand why its message is not getting through and why what they perceive to be a great accomplishment and victory is not being seen that way by the rest of the server. We've had the CAOD "dirty campaign" of destructive spamming already. Question is can the goonswarm culture actually evolve and produce some proper public relations savvy and dig itself out of the pit its fallen into.
Because until that happens. Veto means more than Goonswarm in Eve online.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Vashan Tar
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
WALL OF TEXT
For someone who does not read goonswarm threads or finds them boring, you sure do seem to post in a lot of them. If you want to join I'm sure we can find someone who can mentor you in the fine art of quality posting for a reasonable fee.
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Ishbuanium
Gallente Black Skull Legion No Apology
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
You'd also get far more notice if you cut back the CAOD spam and had some actual leadership figures posting proper press releases from time to time that had content and news in them rather than flames and memes and in-jokes that mean nothing to the readership of CAOD let alone the rest of the forums.
I'm going to really only argue this point in your wall of text. It really shows how out of touch you are with CAOD and EVE in general. Hell, if you actually ever stopped sperging out all over the forums and bloody well looked over a number of the posts, you'd see how goon memes have permeated the forums, and how the so called in-jokes...well...aren't so much of in-jokes anymore.
Goon jokes have even managed to move out of CAOD, though by the nature of the forums (which you probably don't read) you'd see that a number of the forums each have a distinct character (C&P, for example).
Honestly, I kinda feel sorry for you. You're pretty disconnected from the community you are, by your subscription, a part of. You're pretty out of touch with those you want to feel kinship towards. Honestly, being lonely sucks, and I hope for your sake that you'll soon realize that and manage to become a contributing member of this community.
Until then keep up your self important wall of texts that could be easily summarized if you weren't making a weak attempt to appear extremely intelligent when in reality you're just an average guy, like the rest of us.
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Amiable Quinn
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:35:00 -
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Holy wall of text.
1. I had no intent to disrespect Veto, I was using them as an example to illustrate the bias in coverage. They have been nice folks to me in the past so they are cool in my book.
2. We are playing internet spaceships, no one is "important", what I was discussing is relevence We are all nobodies. The difference between you and me is that I am aware of this fact while you are a crazy person who deludes himself into thinking that being known for writing walls of texts in an MMORPG forum somehow translates into "relevance." This is the only non-private forum in which your gibberish isn't called out. Remember your visit to F13? We still get a good chuckle over that.
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KalamMek
Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh Amiable Quinn but I have no clue who you are or who 99.9% of goon posters are. I know of Darius, I know of Mitani, I know of Bane, and I know of Goumindong. But thats about it for goonswarm - the rest of the 4996 members have never done anything to distinguish themselves in game and are only visible through forum spamming CAOD. But thats the reality with a large organization I'm afraid - you don't join goonswarm to become famous - you join because you want to be an anonymous cog in the great machine and thats fine if it suits your playstyle but it does make it difficult for anyone on the outside to see what you are about.
When Goons post ... well, I guess most people outside goonswarm never read the threads. Eyes glaze over, boredom and yawns, its nothing orginal - nothing interesting, nothing worth reading.
#1. True, being in a large alliance is difficult if one desires to cultivate their MMO community reputation. Despite a sense of anonymity, this does not take away from the importance of individual participation and effort that makes a large alliance succeed.
#2 Were you describing our posts or yours?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Amiable Quinn Holy wall of text.
1. I had no intent to disrespect Veto, I was using them as an example to illustrate the bias in coverage. They have been nice folks to me in the past so they are cool in my book.
Have you actually compared the number of mentions of Veto in the news with the number of mentions that the Goons have received?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Totally Slick
Originally by: Verone Awesome Veto Flaming, A++++++
Would read again.
We need an update. What is Veto doing RIGHT NOW?
Not worrying about how much ISD cover we get.... we've got that covered, apparently.
Thanks keep us posted. Cheerios~ |
Amiable Quinn
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:03:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Rodj Blake Have you actually compared the number of mentions of Veto in the news with the number of mentions that the Goons have received?
Nice try, that's not the point I was making. The point is that a relatively small organization has had numerous stories they submitted accepted, whereas goons have had relatively few and in general those stories have little input from us/discussion of our verison of events.
In any event, mission accomplished, as it appears ISD took our concerns seriously (evidenced by the recent well-written and balanced news article describing the events occuring in 49-). So thanks for keeping this in the public eye.
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Rek Esket
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Amiable QuinnIn any event, mission accomplished, as it appears ISD took our concerns seriously (evidenced by the recent well-written and balanced news article describing the events occuring in 49-). So thanks for keeping this in the public eye.[/quote
If only they hadn't linked it to useless SHC.
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