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CowsCANBark
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:29:00 -
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This non-biased EVE ONLINE coverage of the small rebel resistance in delve has been GREEEAAAAT. I'm really glad there have only been 4 major incidents and that KENZOKU has been such a great alliance.
1. Kenzoku gets sov 2. Kengoku gets sov 2 3. Kenzoku undocks ( my personal fav~) 4. 650 man fleet in which kenogoku won!!!!!
Thanks for everything you do ISD, great job on this converage, fox news would call you scholars
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Saaya Illirie
Caldari Core Element Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:34:00 -
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Aw Mr. Goonie is sad because ISD didn't make a post to increase his E-Peen size and give him more to gloat about on forums. QQ more nublette. Suffer not the insufferable to live. |
CowsCANBark
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:35:00 -
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HEY BUDDY READ BETWEEN THE LINES< I LOVE ISD IN FACT I WANNA SUCK THEIR DILZ
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Berious
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:37:00 -
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Dog bites man isn't news, man bites dog is.
hth
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Haargoth Agamar
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Saaya Illirie Aw Mr. Goonie is sad because ISD didn't make a post to increase his E-Peen size and give him more to gloat about on forums. QQ more nublette.
Can you please inform of who this cOrE ElEMeNt corporation of the BlAckGuArD cOaLiTiOn is.
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Liranan
Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Saaya Illirie Aw Mr. Goonie is sad because ISD didn't make a post to increase his E-Peen size and give him more to gloat about on forums. QQ more nublette.
Farjung is my God
You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link. |
Captain Thunk
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:44:00 -
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What's wrong with Clarity Browns reporting?
It's pretty hand that whenever BoB Ken manage to do anything it appears on the right hand side of my character selection screen, as BoB Ken is so inactive recently I'd probably be oblivious otherwise.
Captain Thunk
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Liranan
Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Berious Dog bites man isn't news, man bites dog is.
hth
So, everyone can stop poasting on CAOD until an NPC corp actually takes sov, now that would be man biting dog. Farjung is my God
You people need to open your eyes and read threads before you mindlessly spam the New Thread link. |
Haargoth Agamar
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Haargoth Agamar on 17/03/2009 16:45:54
Originally by: Liranan
Originally by: Berious Dog bites man isn't news, man bites dog is.
hth
So, everyone can stop poasting on CAOD until an NPC corp actually takes sov, now that would be man biting dog.
Hihello is Frontal Impact still in the GBC (or whatever its called now)
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Ackaroth
Gallente Digital assassins The Foray Project
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:50:00 -
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Lol Haar I see you are catching up on missed news, like 5 posts from you in 2 minutes :p
Good to see ya ebuddy. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Leader of Gay Ops since '05 |
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Haargoth Agamar
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ackaroth Lol Haar I see you are catching up on missed news, like 5 posts from you in 2 minutes :p
Good to see ya ebuddy.
Sup broham
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 17:04:00 -
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clarity brown is a funny joke and it'd be a shame if his/her chronicles of kengoku's upcoming ~amazing lowsecurity space adventures~ were not on the login screen each day
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Corsa Grane
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Corsa Grane on 17/03/2009 17:42:39 Edited by: Corsa Grane on 17/03/2009 17:42:21 while every other part of CCP has been modernized to include such things as "review", "accountability" and "impartiality", one brave homesteader clings to the old ways
never change, ISD clarity brown
edit: whoops almost forgot the forums never change, unaccountable forum moderators
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Khorian
Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:43:00 -
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u mad? ---
My EvE Story Blog
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Haargoth Agamar
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Khorian u mad?
The Fleet Commander was standing on the bridge of his flagship, an arazu type recon cruiser. Infront of him large windows that gave view upon a large fleet of battleships and their support. Behind him the crew of the bridge, his command center. From here he gave orders that decided about the fate of thousands of lives, hostile and friendly. Commands that might lead to him becoming a great war hero for his people ... or to his downfall.
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Haargoth Agamar
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:45:00 -
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äForgive me.ô the admiral uttered silently. His face now showed no sign of a smile or arrogance but honest sympathy. He admired the chivalry of the hostile fleet and hated that he could not repay it. For a few more moments he watched the battle, both Fleets had started to take losses. Finally he took a deep breath and regained his posture. As he turned around and started to slowly walk out of the bridge, new ships dropped out of warp above and below the Battlefield. Battlegroups Beta and Gamma had arrived....
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Haargoth Agamar
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:48:00 -
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When I joined the Federal Navy Academy I really only had one goal in mind. To become a Deimos Pilot. It all started when me and my father were on a trip through Aridia in a civilian transport to visit my grandparents who had settled in the Yiratal Starsystem.
We were en route, my father had taken me to the board cinema where we were watching the newest movie of Blake Kimble: "Payback: Apocalypse on Caldari Prime", when suddenly the alarm went off. Communication went through the ship and passengers were asked to move to their rooms and fasten the security belts.
We were under attack by pirates. I was about 13 years old then and I was scared to death. My father stayed calm tho, he had been in many situations like this in his life. Alltho I think he might have felt a little uncomfortable too, since he wasn't exactly in control.
On the way to our room we passed the panorama deck, where i could catch a glimpse of our attackers. I could identify the hull of a Caracal, a Caldari cruiser class ship. I couldn't make out if it was a navy ship or an outlaw. What I could see tho, was a bunch of missiles launched right in our direction. I stood like in shock and awe, right before impact I felt my father pull me back into a corner holding me secure as the explosion shook the ship.
I took a peek around the corner and saw the Caracal hovering there, launchers pointed in our direction. She didn't fire. My Father whispered: "They are negotiating a price. Once they got their money they will be off.... They will pay, im sure"
The silence lasted for almost a minute, a long minute. Then all of the sudden I could see the launchers of the caldari cruiser light up again. They were preparing to fire again! I allready saw my short life passing by when all of the sudden a bunch of missiles were fired in our direction, closing in ... and passing by.
Explosions rocked the ship, but it were not direct hits. And then it happened, the moment that should become the turning point for me. The moment that set my goal to become a Deimos pilot.
The panorama deck was covered by a sleek shadow, followed by a loud, humming sound. A Deimos passed at minimal distance, it seemed like the boosters almost blew the windows away as she passed by and charged at the Caracal. The Caldari Pilot had turned 180 and was trying to get away. All the while there were still missiles impacting on the Deimos, whose weapons were still silent.
Then it all happened very fast, the Deimos had caught up to its prey, white flashing bolts of energy ripped through the Caldari cruiser who was allready badly damaged after the first few salvos. Another Salvo struck, and another one, and a bright explosion appeared, out of wich the Deimos appeared. For the rest of the Flight to a repair dock she accompanied us and I couldn't take my eyes off her while she was flying beside us.
That day I told my father I would become a Deimos Pilot.
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Professor Dumbledore
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:52:00 -
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hargy-chan you write funny fan fics you should enter our contest.
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Haargoth Agamar
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Dumbledore hargy-chan you write funny fan fics you should enter our contest.
I cannot take credit sadly, that is the great writer KHORIAN's work
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Evolution KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:56:00 -
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Funny change from the pretty obvious pro-NC crap that was spouted from ISD when we were up north. :)
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Corsa Grane
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Funny change from the pretty obvious pro-NC crap that was spouted from ISD when we were up north. :)
it's almost as if they have no idea what is actually going on in eve
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Dyfed
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: CowsCANBark This non-biased EVE ONLINE coverage of the small rebel resistance in delve has been GREEEAAAAT. I'm really glad there have only been 4 major incidents and that KENZOKU has been such a great alliance.
1. Kenzoku gets sov 2. Kengoku gets sov 2 3. Kenzoku undocks ( my personal fav~) 4. 650 man fleet in which kenogoku won!!!!!
Thanks for everything you do ISD, great job on this converage, fox news would call you scholars
Pretty sure I speak for all of us when I say... stop posting. |
The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Funny change from the pretty obvious pro-NC crap that was spouted from ISD when we were up north. :)
someone must have let m hoshi back in charge of a volunteer organization
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Orange Species
Minmatar Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:10:00 -
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nps -------------
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Krets
Gallente Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Khorian u mad?
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C4w3
Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:15:00 -
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Posting in a Goons Won EVE, no RAGE Goon rage EPIC tears and rage! ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Caius Proximus
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:26:00 -
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i get my eve news from the bbc |
Skoot
Gallente Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:44:00 -
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Just so you guys know, Anyone can write those stories published by ISD and whenever you see them it was not ISD that took the initiative to write it up but actual players in the game.
And I am sure it was a kensokugoku fan boi that made that one.
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Captain Thunk
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Skoot Just so you guys know, Anyone can write those stories published by ISD and whenever you see them it was not ISD that took the initiative to write it up but actual players in the game.
And I am sure it was a kensokugoku fan boi that made that one.
I doubt it was written by a kenhadookenu fan boi. It says that they were KenCom towers defended by an AAA fleet during their own primetime. A true kenboi wouldn't allow the implication to pass that Ken has little influence in it's own future and is reliant on AAA and their sponsors, watching from the sidelines with fingers crossed daring to hope.
Captain Thunk
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CCP Mitnal
Minmatar C C P
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Posted - 2009.03.17 21:18:00 -
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If you disagree with what is written or have a news item you'd like Interstellar Correspondents to follow up on, you can always get in touch with them at [email protected] or via the link on the forums.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email |
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thelung187
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.17 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal If you disagree with what is written or have a news item you'd like Interstellar Correspondents to follow up on, you can always get in touch with them at [email protected] or via the link on the forums.
Yes, because they I'm sure they'd respond to any player inquiry with a hand-written (non-form letter) personalized response.
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ISD Serathu Ashk
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2009.03.17 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: thelung187
Originally by: CCP Mitnal If you disagree with what is written or have a news item you'd like Interstellar Correspondents to follow up on, you can always get in touch with them at [email protected] or via the link on the forums.
Yes, because they I'm sure they'd respond to any player inquiry with a hand-written (non-form letter) personalized response.
Hi, I'm Serathu, the head of the Interstellar Correspondents.
We respond to all email correspondence, where appropriate, and try to respond to submissions from the website where possible.
To answer some of the other concerns here, I can assure you that the reporter in question has no connection to the in-game entities that they have written about. Our internal policies have strict bias rules, part of my job is to enforce this and our actions are regularly reviewed by the same team that watches the actions of CCP developers - CCP Internal Affairs. If you feel that we are actually biased in this matter, I encourage you to contact IA with any evidence you have and ask them to investigate.
Finally, if anyone has any useful information for us that will help us to improve our news, you are encouraged to send us an email or submit a news lead as previously detailed.
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Cippalippus Primus
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: thelung187
Yes, because they I'm sure they'd respond to any player inquiry with a hand-written (non-form letter) personalized response.
Hi, I'm Serathu, the head of the Interstellar Correspondents.
This is pretty much the hardest ownage I have witnessed on CAOD. -clp
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Challic
Minmatar Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.17 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: thelung187
Yes, because they I'm sure they'd respond to any player inquiry with a hand-written (non-form letter) personalized response.
Hi, I'm Serathu, the head of the Interstellar Correspondents.
This is pretty much the hardest ownage I have witnessed on CAOD.
welcome to eve....something new every day.
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Spiffy Sunkist
Gallente Malevolent Evolution The Church.
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Posted - 2009.03.17 21:50:00 -
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Goons " OH NO NOTHING ABOUT US SHOOT ME I WILL CUT MY ARM AND CRY MYSELF TOO BEEEEEED PLZPLZPLPLPLZPLPLZ"
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Haargoth Agamar
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Spiffy Sunkist Goons " OH NO NOTHING ABOUT US SHOOT ME I WILL CUT MY ARM AND CRY MYSELF TOO BEEEEEED PLZPLZPLPLPLZPLPLZ"
:rages:
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C4w3
Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:07:00 -
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Goons Rage ISD WaBbIt?
ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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penifSMASH
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:09:00 -
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dance my toys... for I am the PuPPet MasTer and I control your strings... heh..
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Palmer Eldritch
Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Spiffy Sunkist Goons " OH NO NOTHING ABOUT US SHOOT ME I WILL CUT MY ARM AND CRY MYSELF TOO BEEEEEED PLZPLZPLPLPLZPLPLZ"
/signed ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point |
thelung187
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: thelung187
Yes, because they I'm sure they'd respond to any player inquiry with a hand-written (non-form letter) personalized response.
Hi, I'm Serathu, the head of the Interstellar Correspondents.
This is pretty much the hardest ownage I have witnessed on CAOD.
oh dear
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D'ceet
Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: thelung187
Yes, because they I'm sure they'd respond to any player inquiry with a hand-written (non-form letter) personalized response.
Hi, I'm Serathu, the head of the Interstellar Correspondents.
This is pretty much the hardest ownage I have witnessed on CAOD.
yeah, i gotta agree with cippa here, that was some pretty good sized ownage.
Originally by: Popperr
I resent the insinuation that we have intelligence, artificial or otherwise.
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Shamis Orzoz
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk Finally, if anyone has any useful information for us that will help us to improve our news, you are encouraged to send us an email or submit a news lead as previously detailed.
Take a good look at all the news reports that have been released about Delve. Then take a look at what is actually happened in delve over the last 6 weeks.
It doesn't take any kind of deep insider intel to realize that the reporting in the south has been TERRIBLE. Normally I don't care about the reporting, but what we've seen lately makes a mockery of your entire organization.
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Corsa Grane
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Funny change from the pretty obvious pro-NC crap that was spouted from ISD when we were up north. :)
it's almost as if they have no idea what is actually going on in eve
LOL...exactly.
The funny thing about the "pro-NC crap" that was "spouted from ISD" was that, at least as it related to the Tribute campaign, the one story was laughably pro-GBC in its slant. Oh sure..it vaguely described the beatings the GBC was taking, but it still managed to call the GBC's progress in Tribute something along the lines of "significant" which was incredibly laughable to anyone who knew what was going on.
So, chin-up, Waagaa, we didn't view the ISD article as favorable towards us, either. In fact, I'd say we were at least as annoyed as you apparently were. The difference being that perhaps we had an actual reason to be annoyed.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:38:00 -
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C4w3
Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:57:00 -
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Best thread of tears ever. ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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James 315
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk Our internal policies have strict bias rules,
against or in favor?
boosh~
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: C4w3 Best thread of tears ever.
Tears of laughter? Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
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General Windypops
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:31:00 -
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To be honest 'Goonswarm achieve cheap victory by buying out a director to finish war with one click' doesn't run for long as a story, so it's not surprising that there's not much attention paid to you guys at the moment.
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Petar Quaresma
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:34:00 -
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ISD is just confused like a lot of other pubbies. The reality of Eve is that whatever goons are involved with is newsworthy and everything else is pretty much garbage. Do you think people would write a NYT article about life in empire? Do you think the BBC would report on the alliance tournament? Yea right. The only reason to even report on the "Band of Brothers" or "KenGoku" alliance is because we're doing something to them or against them. The clueless authors at ISD cannot/refuse to come to terms with this and wish upon a star that someone else can "be" Eve Online. Sadly, Eve Online is Goonswarm.
Wake up and smell the Mochachino, ISD.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 17/03/2009 23:48:45 nvm they fixed it already
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops To be honest 'Goonswarm achieve cheap victory by buying out a director to finish war with one click' doesn't run for long as a story, so it's not surprising that there's not much attention paid to you guys at the moment.
Less of the unfounded allegations alt Windy.
However after the fact that sov was reset, Kenny still had a huge advantage (on paper, and you know what those paper tigers are like)
ISD might have reported on the constant tower destruction, and the starngely absent Kenny fleets. Or maybe they could have reported on Delve now being in Goon hands, that was a news story.
Oh and you shouldn't join privs just to post with an alt, main.post.with. Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:44:00 -
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Those unbiased coverages (as ISD Serathu Ashk is stating) was something that was really amazing me during maxFAIL campaign, and now again in Southern campaign. Maybe ISD department just took for granted unbiased standards from their GM colleagues.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 17/03/2009 23:50:11
non-biased news is boring, more bias the better !
but i agree, they should post more news, and not just when one side does something interesting ;O
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Petar Quaresma
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Petar Quaresma on 17/03/2009 23:52:50
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 17/03/2009 23:50:11
non-biased news is boring, more bias the better !
but i agree, they should post more news, and not just when one side does something interesting ;O
That worked out well for Eve TV. It was so interesting to learn about the p00py pants crew wardecking the interstellar crew of friends and pals. Eve News should be a monthly newsletter at best.
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General Windypops
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Less of the unfounded allegations alt Windy.
TBH, Flinxy, I woudn't be surprised if I have more skillpoints than you old bean. But thanks for the unfounded 'alt' allegation.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.17 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
TBH, Flinxy, I woudn't be surprised if I have more skillpoints than you old bean. But thanks for the unfounded 'alt' allegation.
So you confess to being an alt poster, one that doesnt understand what "allegations" mean
"cheap victory by buying out a director"
You getting desperate Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
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General Windypops
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: General Windypops
TBH, Flinxy, I woudn't be surprised if I have more skillpoints than you old bean. But thanks for the unfounded 'alt' allegation.
So you confess to being an alt poster, one that doesnt understand what "allegations" mean
"cheap victory by buying out a director"
What?
You getting desperate
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Goberth Ludwig
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:06:00 -
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Who gives a crap about the news seriously? Stop hurf blurfing everyone..
- Gob
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Al'Htaed
Minmatar Hug Nutz
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:07:00 -
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And this is why I don't read ISD news.
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Berious
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Who gives a crap about the news seriously? Stop hurf blurfing everyone..
- Gob
Gobby you're the king and queen of hurf blurf
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ISD Serathu Ashk
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk Finally, if anyone has any useful information for us that will help us to improve our news, you are encouraged to send us an email or submit a news lead as previously detailed.
Take a good look at all the news reports that have been released about Delve. Then take a look at what is actually happened in delve over the last 6 weeks.
It doesn't take any kind of deep insider intel to realize that the reporting in the south has been TERRIBLE. Normally I don't care about the reporting, but what we've seen lately makes a mockery of your entire organization.
It is the nature of news that not every reader will be happy with our coverage and should you be unhappy with it we would welcome any substantiated evidence of error that you may have, which you can submit to us via one of the methods detailed above.
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ISD Serathu Ashk
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ...but i agree, they should post more news...
The Interstellar Correspondents is taking applications from those who wish to become reporters in order to help increase and improve our output.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:28:00 -
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I for one, am outraged that there was not more news items about PuPpETmAsTeRz and FoRceS oF EvIL valiant conquests in fountain
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Killer2
Amarr The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:34:00 -
[64]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk To answer some of the other concerns here, I can assure you that the reporter in question has no connection to the in-game entities that they have written about. Our internal policies have strict bias rules, part of my job is to enforce this and our actions are regularly reviewed by the same team that watches the actions of CCP developers - CCP Internal Affairs. If you feel that we are actually biased in this matter, I encourage you to contact IA with any evidence you have and ask them to investigate.
Finally, if anyone has any useful information for us that will help us to improve our news, you are encouraged to send us an email or submit a news lead as previously detailed.
This made me laugh. Not only is ISD biased but their also quite dellusional.
It does not take a rocket scientist to know that ISD news articles are purely the representation of a biased view. This has been an ongoing issue for quite sometime and it only seems to be getting worse and worse as time goes on. Kenzoku have been suffering from constant defeats for the last 6 weeks and no ISD articles were published during this period. They have their first major win in this time period and it's followed by two ISD news articles. Where were the ISD reporters during the initial 6 weeks? Why weren't any articles published about the daily slaughter Kenzoku and their allies received while the two coalitions (north and south) sieged Delve and Querious?
If you want the community to take ISD seriously with the news they publish, please make it as unbiased as practically possible and try to show some consistency with the events that may warrant a news report. |
Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:42:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Killer2
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk To answer some of the other concerns here, I can assure you that the reporter in question has no connection to the in-game entities that they have written about. Our internal policies have strict bias rules, part of my job is to enforce this and our actions are regularly reviewed by the same team that watches the actions of CCP developers - CCP Internal Affairs. If you feel that we are actually biased in this matter, I encourage you to contact IA with any evidence you have and ask them to investigate.
Finally, if anyone has any useful information for us that will help us to improve our news, you are encouraged to send us an email or submit a news lead as previously detailed.
This made me laugh. Not only is ISD biased but their also quite dellusional.
It does not take a rocket scientist to know that ISD news articles are purely the representation of a biased view. This has been an ongoing issue for quite sometime and it only seems to be getting worse and worse as time goes on. Kenzoku have been suffering from constant defeats for the last 6 weeks and no ISD articles were published during this period. They have their first major win in this time period and it's followed by two ISD news articles. Where were the ISD reporters during the initial 6 weeks? Why weren't any articles published about the daily slaughter Kenzoku and their allies received while the two coalitions (north and south) sieged Delve and Querious?
If you want the community to take ISD seriously with the news they publish, please make it as unbiased as practically possible and try to show some consistency with the events that may warrant a news report.
Dear god, did I just publicly agree with you K2? the end is nigh.
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Al'Htaed
Minmatar Hug Nutz
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:46:00 -
[66]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
It is the nature of news that not every reader will be happy with our coverage and should you be unhappy with it we would welcome any substantiated evidence of error that you may have, which you can submit to us via one of the methods detailed above.
Playing innocent is not going to get you far. You know why anyone would think you're taking sides.
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ...but i agree, they should post more news...
The Interstellar Correspondents is taking applications from those who wish to become reporters in order to help increase and improve our output.
If you're not going to report on 6 weeks worth of complete removal of Kenzoku from Delve then don't report on their undocking from a station. You can't damage control your way out of this.
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ISD Serathu Ashk
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:55:00 -
[67]
Edited by: ISD Serathu Ashk on 18/03/2009 00:55:39
Originally by: Killer2
This made me laugh. Not only is ISD biased but their also quite dellusional.
It does not take a rocket scientist to know that ISD news articles are purely the representation of a biased view. This has been an ongoing issue for quite sometime and it only seems to be getting worse and worse as time goes on. Kenzoku have been suffering from constant defeats for the last 6 weeks and no ISD articles were published during this period. They have their first major win in this time period and it's followed by two ISD news articles. Where were the ISD reporters during the initial 6 weeks? Why weren't any articles published about the daily slaughter Kenzoku and their allies received while the two coalitions (north and south) sieged Delve and Querious?
If you want the community to take ISD seriously with the news they publish, please make it as unbiased as practically possible and try to show some consistency with the events that may warrant a news report.
I can understand your viewpoint however I must point out that correlation does not imply causation.
To explain the reason behind what you've identified, we're volunteers and as such cannot rely on a formal commitment of time when it comes to reporting. We're somewhat understaffed at the moment and given some recent illnesses and absences, we've not necessarily had the experience and the volunteer time to commit to writing such news. This, coupled with the fact that we're not always told about events that happen (again, we don't have the staffing to know about everything that goes on or check every forum post), makes it very hard to produce a consistent output in terms of number of articles.
It's a situation I'm unhappy with which is why we're taking more reports on and will start prominently recruiting soon (we've got to make sure we have the people to train new volunteers first).
I hope that clearly answers this concern but if not, I'll be happy to explain further.
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the Poet
Minmatar Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.18 00:55:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Haargoth Agamar
Originally by: Saaya Illirie Aw Mr. Goonie is sad because ISD didn't make a post to increase his E-Peen size and give him more to gloat about on forums. QQ more nublette.
Can you please inform of who this cOrE ElEMeNt corporation of the BlAckGuArD cOaLiTiOn is.
That BOB arrogance is showing through.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.03.18 01:02:00 -
[69]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
It is the nature of news that not every reader will be happy with our coverage and should you be unhappy with it we would welcome any substantiated evidence of error that you may have, which you can submit to us via one of the methods detailed above.
This has nothing to do with the subjective concept of happiness. It has to do with statistics. I am still to see a single article from ISD about a conflict where BoB, Kenny or whatever they are called these days had their asses kicked. When you add this to the fact that they failed miserably everytime they decided to start a campaign in the last 2 years, that is quite a coincidence, don't you think? =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
Haargoth Agamar
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 01:04:00 -
[70]
Originally by: the Poet
Originally by: Haargoth Agamar
Originally by: Saaya Illirie Aw Mr. Goonie is sad because ISD didn't make a post to increase his E-Peen size and give him more to gloat about on forums. QQ more nublette.
Can you please inform of who this cOrE ElEMeNt corporation of the BlAckGuArD cOaLiTiOn is.
That BOB arrogance is showing through.
calm down
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Gram Hellfire
Caldari The Subtle Knife United Pod Service
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Posted - 2009.03.18 01:30:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Al'Htaed
If you're not going to report on 6 weeks worth of complete removal of Kenzoku sovereignty from Delve then don't report on their undocking from a station. You can't damage control your way out of this.
A month of being camped in a station while allied caps take down 30 towers a day is quite impressive, but even more boring. Pulling out a cap fleet meant that battles could occur, thus making the delve war dynamic and not static. That is defiantly news-worthy. The upcoming weeks of bob being ****ed off because -A- is good and they're terrible should be interesting :) - will -A- stay on bob's side? will the core corps in bob assimilate into -A-? will bob relocate to curse?
Anyways, we got enough "news" from the goons in CAOD during the camp :P
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Shamis Orzoz
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 01:34:00 -
[72]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk Finally, if anyone has any useful information for us that will help us to improve our news, you are encouraged to send us an email or submit a news lead as previously detailed.
Take a good look at all the news reports that have been released about Delve. Then take a look at what is actually happened in delve over the last 6 weeks.
It doesn't take any kind of deep insider intel to realize that the reporting in the south has been TERRIBLE. Normally I don't care about the reporting, but what we've seen lately makes a mockery of your entire organization.
It is the nature of news that not every reader will be happy with our coverage and should you be unhappy with it we would welcome any substantiated evidence of error that you may have, which you can submit to us via one of the methods detailed above.
I think you missed my point. I'm not questioning the truthiness of your news. I am questioning the breadth of your news.
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Morning Mist
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 01:45:00 -
[73]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk To explain the reason behind what you've identified, we're volunteers and as such cannot rely on a formal commitment of time when it comes to reporting. We're somewhat understaffed at the moment and given some recent illnesses and absences, we've not necessarily had the experience and the volunteer time to commit to writing such news. This, coupled with the fact that we're not always told about events that happen (again, we don't have the staffing to know about everything that goes on or check every forum post), makes it very hard to produce a consistent output in terms of number of articles.
It's a situation I'm unhappy with which is why we're taking more reports on and will start prominently recruiting soon (we've got to make sure we have the people to train new volunteers first).
I hope that clearly answers this concern but if not, I'll be happy to explain further.
Being understaffed is not a reason for biased reporting.
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ISD Serathu Ashk
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2009.03.18 01:48:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think you missed my point. I'm not questioning the truthiness of your news. I am questioning the breadth of your news.
Please see my above answer with regards to staffing issues limiting our breadth of coverage significantly.
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Berious
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 01:53:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Gram Hellfire
A month of being camped in a station while allied caps take down 30 towers a day is quite impressive, but even more boring.
OK then, how bout a week of epic battles that utterly dwarf the latest report in terms of ships deployed and lost? Or an all or nothing mass migration of the biggest alliance in EVE who abandoned vast tracts of space in the process?
You can't really argue nothing really interesting or unusual has been happening post-disband.
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Shikome Alluin
Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 02:22:00 -
[76]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think you missed my point. I'm not questioning the truthiness of your news. I am questioning the breadth of your news.
Please see my above answer with regards to staffing issues limiting our breadth of coverage significantly.
Stop squirming and start earning your ISD tag ffs - Aloha mr Hand |
Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2009.03.18 02:49:00 -
[77]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think you missed my point. I'm not questioning the truthiness of your news. I am questioning the breadth of your news.
Please see my above answer with regards to staffing issues limiting our breadth of coverage significantly.
I think you're largely missing a point. During Max, you reported 1 battle and claimed 'steady progress on the part of Band of Brothers' yet you failed to report a battle a few days later when a titan was killed. (third titan for one pilot) You somehow then ignore all changes in that campaign until a titan on the Northern coalition side is killed, and go silent about a titan being killed by goonswarm. (Not to mention the titan killed by Pandemic Legion, which was substantial insofar as it was the first sub-cap kill)
You then fail to mention a fairly significant defeat by Kenzoku, which included yet another titan loss, but somehow find the time to write about sov maps changing twice one way, but not the other.
Now, you can claim that Shrike losing titans is barely newsworthy, but by that token, is an alliance undocking anymore so? I think it's time to drop the charade of the 'unbiased reporter' and either add more people to that campaign, since clarity brown can only write about BoB (or triumvirate's) minor success, and somehow miss their major failures, or admit that you're not providing unbiased coverage, and at least let some of the more talented goon/nc/pl writers to provide news items.
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Killer2
Amarr The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.18 02:54:00 -
[78]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk I can understand your viewpoint however I must point out that correlation does not imply causation.
To explain the reason behind what you've identified, we're volunteers and as such cannot rely on a formal commitment of time when it comes to reporting. We're somewhat understaffed at the moment and given some recent illnesses and absences, we've not necessarily had the experience and the volunteer time to commit to writing such news. This, coupled with the fact that we're not always told about events that happen (again, we don't have the staffing to know about everything that goes on or check every forum post), makes it very hard to produce a consistent output in terms of number of articles.
It's a situation I'm unhappy with which is why we're taking more reports on and will start prominently recruiting soon (we've got to make sure we have the people to train new volunteers first).
I hope that clearly answers this concern but if not, I'll be happy to explain further.
I can completely understand that ISD staff are simply volunteers and are therefore somewhat restricted to time constraints. However, please do not tell me that the excuse to the biased articles published are as a direct result of staffing issues. With that line of argument, you are telling me that it is some shocking coincidence where immediately after GKC forces had their first major win in weeks, that suddenly the staffing issues for ISD were resolved and you were able to publish a news article?
This isn't something that has just popped up overnight. The biased opinions and reports coming from ISD has been an ongoing problem, as I have highlighted in my previous post. You have had ample time to find new (impartial) reporters who are capable of presenting both sides of an argument. Your feature articles about Kenzoku or Band of Brothers have only ever represented their successes and perhaps only briefly mentioning their failures.
Claiming that ISD isn't able to know everything that's going on in Eve is not relevant in this scenario. We are not talking about some rediculous fight between two fifty-man corporations. This is an ongoing conflict between thousands of players who make up more than 50% of CCP's player base. If ISD staff live under a rock, perhaps I can understand not knowing about the conflict. Are you also telling me that ISD were aware of a breakout of GKC forces from PR- after being camped in for weeks on end, but you were unaware of the amount of deathstars and baby super-capitals that were destroyed in Delve by coalition forces?
Please stop trying to scratch at the surface in an attempt to find excuses for the biased view on ISD news reports. I am but one voice in this community, however I know for a fact that I am not the only one who feels this way. Perhaps it is time that ISD seriously reflects how articles are published and what effect they have on the eve community. I pray that you come to realize the mistakes ISD have consistently made spanning at least two years, before it is too late and the majority of the eve community simply ignores the articles you publish, which I am already beginning to do.
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Maj'k Lootar
Caldari Trinity Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.18 03:28:00 -
[79]
look how pubbie you have become.
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Of Montreal
Gallente CRICE Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.18 03:53:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Killer2
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk I can understand your viewpoint however I must point out that correlation does not imply causation.
To explain the reason behind what you've identified, we're volunteers and as such cannot rely on a formal commitment of time when it comes to reporting. We're somewhat understaffed at the moment and given some recent illnesses and absences, we've not necessarily had the experience and the volunteer time to commit to writing such news. This, coupled with the fact that we're not always told about events that happen (again, we don't have the staffing to know about everything that goes on or check every forum post), makes it very hard to produce a consistent output in terms of number of articles.
It's a situation I'm unhappy with which is why we're taking more reports on and will start prominently recruiting soon (we've got to make sure we have the people to train new volunteers first).
I hope that clearly answers this concern but if not, I'll be happy to explain further.
I can completely understand that ISD staff are simply volunteers and are therefore somewhat restricted to time constraints. However, please do not tell me that the excuse to the biased articles published are as a direct result of staffing issues. With that line of argument, you are telling me that it is some shocking coincidence where immediately after GKC forces had their first major win in weeks, that suddenly the staffing issues for ISD were resolved and you were able to publish a news article?
This isn't something that has just popped up overnight. The biased opinions and reports coming from ISD has been an ongoing problem, as I have highlighted in my previous post. You have had ample time to find new (impartial) reporters who are capable of presenting both sides of an argument. Your feature articles about Kenzoku or Band of Brothers have only ever represented their successes and perhaps only briefly mentioning their failures.
Claiming that ISD isn't able to know everything that's going on in Eve is not relevant in this scenario. We are not talking about some rediculous fight between two fifty-man corporations. This is an ongoing conflict between thousands of players who make up more than 50% of CCP's player base. If ISD staff live under a rock, perhaps I can understand not knowing about the conflict. Are you also telling me that ISD were aware of a breakout of GKC forces from PR- after being camped in for weeks on end, but you were unaware of the amount of deathstars and baby super-capitals that were destroyed in Delve by coalition forces?
Please stop trying to scratch at the surface in an attempt to find excuses for the biased view on ISD news reports. I am but one voice in this community, however I know for a fact that I am not the only one who feels this way. Perhaps it is time that ISD seriously reflects how articles are published and what effect they have on the eve community. I pray that you come to realize the mistakes ISD have consistently made spanning at least two years, before it is too late and the majority of the eve community simply ignores the articles you publish, which I am already beginning to do.
Respectfully, Killer2.
Internet news articles about internet spaceships is serious business. Seems this is more Ken hax to me. Could shift the balance of power in their favor. I also think that the Gallente and Amarr get WAY to much attention in these articles, is there indeed a bias in the media towards us gallente and the Amarr?
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Tobruk
Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 04:07:00 -
[81]
Usually a lack of objectivity isn't that big of a deal. however, ISD has a complete monopoly of "official" eve news.
Thus, your inability to report in an unbiased manner really leaves only a couple of options. One; stop doing reports on the conflict. Like any good arbiter of fairness you ought to know best when to recuse yourself. Two; give up your monopoly on news and let other eve news organizations have loggin space/ time or compete in some other way (multiple choices on the concord board).
Its a shame that the players have to police ISD, but after T20 (and the countless other inconsistencies) the trust in CCP and its subsidiaries will never be there again. Thus, its best to leave it to the players and let "fact" seekers find some truth in the middle.
You can blame T20 (i do) but I think its time for ISD to hang up their hat. ----------------------------------------------
Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
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SK Rooster
Gallente No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.03.18 04:09:00 -
[82]
wow there are a lot of tears in this thread. ISD whatever his name is has made is painfully simple:
1. if you think something is not accurate, dont whine about it on forums, report it to proper people
2. if you think important events are not being reported, step and and apply for the ISD yourself then you can help do the reporting
they are a VOLUNTEER force so you cannot expect them to put out a story for everything, and if you want your stories out there maybe write one yourself and submit it to them
PS cry more goons, PL and NC
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Challic
Minmatar Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 04:28:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Challic on 18/03/2009 04:30:25
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think you missed my point. I'm not questioning the truthiness of your news. I am questioning the breadth of your news.
Please see my above answer with regards to staffing issues limiting our breadth of coverage significantly.
So these "staffing issues" that you speak of...does it include the intensive and extremely time consuming task of "open CAOD --> click on sov map --> OH **** SON GOONSWARM TOOK OVER DELVE!"
They even made the color yellow to please the eyeballs....I'm just saying, it took me 64 seconds (I had to get a beer so the time is not exact)Let me guess...you must be an AIG employee in the R.L.
GO TEAM KENNY...er I mean GO TEAM ISD! \o/
Crawl back in your cave bud...your damage control skills are weak. Just fire the clown who keeps feeding you those crap articles and get some real reporters. If I want spin I'll watch Fox news.
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Jonis Sinmaker
Amarr Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:12:00 -
[84]
-------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:56:00 -
[85]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: thelung187
Originally by: CCP Mitnal If you disagree with what is written or have a news item you'd like Interstellar Correspondents to follow up on, you can always get in touch with them at [email protected] or via the link on the forums.
Yes, because they I'm sure they'd respond to any player inquiry with a hand-written (non-form letter) personalized response.
Hi, I'm Serathu, the head of the Interstellar Correspondents.
I'm just going to quote this ownage. ---
Nothing is more discomforting than the discovery of our own inadequacies - Carl Jung |
Jamin Berry
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:56:00 -
[86]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk We're somewhat understaffed at the moment and given some recent illnesses and absences, we've not necessarily had the experience and the volunteer time to commit to writing such news.
Seems fairly logical to me. KenZoku and friends are losing, the pilots become unavailable due to "illnesses and absences," no articles are written. When KenZoku and friends decide to start playing Eve again, they find themselves with more time to write articles.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:03:00 -
[87]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk Edited by: ISD Serathu Ashk on 18/03/2009 00:55:39
Originally by: Killer2
This made me laugh. Not only is ISD biased but their also quite dellusional.
It does not take a rocket scientist to know that ISD news articles are purely the representation of a biased view. This has been an ongoing issue for quite sometime and it only seems to be getting worse and worse as time goes on. Kenzoku have been suffering from constant defeats for the last 6 weeks and no ISD articles were published during this period. They have their first major win in this time period and it's followed by two ISD news articles. Where were the ISD reporters during the initial 6 weeks? Why weren't any articles published about the daily slaughter Kenzoku and their allies received while the two coalitions (north and south) sieged Delve and Querious?
If you want the community to take ISD seriously with the news they publish, please make it as unbiased as practically possible and try to show some consistency with the events that may warrant a news report.
I can understand your viewpoint however I must point out that correlation does not imply causation.
To explain the reason behind what you've identified, we're volunteers and as such cannot rely on a formal commitment of time when it comes to reporting. We're somewhat understaffed at the moment and given some recent illnesses and absences, we've not necessarily had the experience and the volunteer time to commit to writing such news. This, coupled with the fact that we're not always told about events that happen (again, we don't have the staffing to know about everything that goes on or check every forum post), makes it very hard to produce a consistent output in terms of number of articles.
It's a situation I'm unhappy with which is why we're taking more reports on and will start prominently recruiting soon (we've got to make sure we have the people to train new volunteers first).
I hope that clearly answers this concern but if not, I'll be happy to explain further.
The base problem with this response is that literally spending 5 minutes per week browsing 1 or 2 threads on scrapheap or on caod or even both if you can spare the 10 minutes would give an infinitely more complete picture of what is going on in the eve universe then whatever method you actually use now. Granted the way you provide an out for yourselves it is at the limits of but within believable possibility that the only people contacting you with news articles are from either kenzoku or their friends, however this is a slim to none kind of deal.
The real issue here is that ISD saw fit to report on nothing for more then a month and then only decides to come back and report on the one victory a side has had in that month + period, and also that this is not a rare thin but historically is quite common. I am sorry to say but if you want to be a news service you are going to have to do a little research yourselves. We have a different name for reporting services that only print out what they are given, they are called propaganda machines and to be honest no propaganda machine should be directly assosciated with CCP in any way shape or form.
If you lack the resources to pull something off that is fine dont do it, but don't print out incredibly biased statements with no research on a somewhat regular basis, that is a far worse crime then doing nothing at all. Reallistically why would anyone interested in reporting what is actually going on in eve be interested in joining an outfit that is for all outward appearences just a propaganda tool.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:45:00 -
[88]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think you missed my point. I'm not questioning the truthiness of your news. I am questioning the breadth of your news.
Please see my above answer with regards to staffing issues limiting our breadth of coverage significantly.
Welp until I can find an archive of alliance news I will stick with vague references that point to extreme ISD bias.
Back in 07 when shrike lost his titan and the BoB offensive crumbled, Goonswarm subsequently took 4 regions from BoB with nary a news article, as we pushed into delve there was a news article painting BoB in the light of valiant defenders that hadn't just lost most of their space and left a large chunk of their pets to get slaughtered. (Pets that paid them billions in rent) There wasn't a news article for even one of the dozens of station captures or hundreds upon hundreds of pos we killed or when we pushed into delve and took qy6 and started pushing further. The very day after BoB retook qy6 there was a news article telling the "epic tale" of how they triumphed etc etc.
Sorry but if you really want to try this not biased thing you should go with a better defense than "We can not cover every story"
In delve II we killed nearly half a thousand pos in a few short weeks as we camped one of the most feared entities in the game into an NPC station for a ****ing month but it wasn't worth a news article until they broke out AFTER we took all of delve? How do you seriously justify that? The number of ironic happenings in those few weeks is so high it would make any real journalist wet himself. ISD chose to sit idly by until their Kenzoku heroes broke out(Which they could have done for weeks if they simply logged in and undocked) ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:47:00 -
[89]
The fact that ISD doesn't seem to understand why 99% of the Eve playerbase just rolls its eyes when you claim to be unbiased blows my ****ing mind. ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:52:00 -
[90]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think you missed my point. I'm not questioning the truthiness of your news. I am questioning the breadth of your news.
Please see my above answer with regards to staffing issues limiting our breadth of coverage significantly.
You really trying to say you didn't have the staff to do one article IN AN ENTIRE MONTH?!
Every one of you could write a sentence over the span of a week and it would make an article. Legit excuses are fine but stop outright lying to us.
------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
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Katsura Kotonoha
Caldari Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:58:00 -
[91]
The reasons are very simple. The good news is helping their recruitment. If ISD were to publish that Kenny is losing, then their recruitment pool dries up. To prevent this, Kenny is trying to control ISD and have them publish stories which put them in as best of light as possible.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 07:07:00 -
[92]
Seriously ISD dude these damage control vague as hell responses have to stop. You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself. Last entity I remember doing that was Aurora. Good times.
:) ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
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CL0VERFIELD
Minmatar Carley Group
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Posted - 2009.03.18 07:16:00 -
[93]
Haargoth, Mittani & thelung187 by planing new drama bomb on CAOD
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Lunas Feelgood
Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 07:18:00 -
[94]
The last 2-3 years of ISD "news" articles has been a complet one-sided propaganda show.. If the head of the ISD cant see this. Then either he is very bad at his job or he just dont give a ****..
In my honest opinion ISD has been infiltreted by bob alts and ISD are being used unintentional to provide propaganda and thats a shame really..
Atm ISD make FOX news look good..
Originally by: Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history
Originally by: BOB
"I played EVE for 5 years and all I got left is crappy forum alts"..
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.18 08:03:00 -
[95]
ISD News, Fair and Balanced.
How ironic is it that when I went to foxnews website to make sure Fair and Balanced was their saying that there is an eve add on the front page :p
might be targeted advertising but still amusing none the less
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 08:05:00 -
[96]
bfm are you drunk ---
Nothing is more discomforting than the discovery of our own inadequacies - Carl Jung |
Liranan
Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.03.18 08:21:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Liranan on 18/03/2009 08:22:02
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk It is the nature of news that not every reader will be happy with our coverage and should you be unhappy with it we would welcome any substantiated evidence of error that you may have, which you can submit to us via one of the methods detailed above.
Why do you guys rise to the filth spewed out by the Goons? It really is a waste of time arguing with them as this entire thread was summarised in the second post. Farjung is my God
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 08:22:00 -
[98]
The fact that ISD require the players to spoon feed them information when it comes to reporting in 0.0 is pretty funny given that they are supposed to be reporters. |
Das Panzer
Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.18 08:59:00 -
[99]
This thread is great
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Kaaii
Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.03.18 09:09:00 -
[100]
Its just leveling the playing field, I mean look at all the james 315, mittens, and countless goonspam circle jerk posts we have to wade through.
I for one, welcome our new ISD allies...
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
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Kanoubi
Amarr Enseki
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Posted - 2009.03.18 09:10:00 -
[101]
Mummy Goony !!! .. that bad ISD man stole my lollipop .
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 09:49:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/03/2009 09:49:52
As a neutral observer, I happen to think that the Delve stories over the last few weeks have all been pretty balanced.
As someone who has been interviewed by ISD reporters a few times over the years, I'd also like to say that in general the gist of what I've said has been well represented in the final article.
The secret to getting more coverage of what you're up to in the news is to let them know. If your enemy is getting lots of coverage, it's not exactly rocket science to send ISD some information of your own or getting them to interview you to find out your opinion on things.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 09:56:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
This has nothing to do with the subjective concept of happiness. It has to do with statistics. I am still to see a single article from ISD about a conflict where BoB, Kenny or whatever they are called these days had their asses kicked.
It took me thirty seconds to find this
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Zerakix
Minmatar LEAP Corp Arkai Confederation
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Posted - 2009.03.18 10:00:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Zerakix on 18/03/2009 10:01:04
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
To explain the reason behind what you've identified, we're volunteers and as such cannot rely on a formal commitment of time when it comes to reporting. We're somewhat understaffed at the moment and given some recent illnesses and absences, we've not necessarily had the experience and the volunteer time to commit to writing such news. This, coupled with the fact that we're not always told about events that happen (again, we don't have the staffing to know about everything that goes on or check every forum post), makes it very hard to produce a consistent output in terms of number of articles.
My take is they're limited on time and staff and there was to much goon spam to dig through to find out whats really going on and link to which makes sense give the ass load of posts the goons did in a day which the majority of was silly stuff one couldn't quote or bother linking as news.
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Cal Hydar
Caldari DAB PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.18 10:24:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
This has nothing to do with the subjective concept of happiness. It has to do with statistics. I am still to see a single article from ISD about a conflict where BoB, Kenny or whatever they are called these days had their asses kicked.
It took me thirty seconds to find this
Shhhh... Don't point this out to those complaining. -------- sig here |
Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.18 10:25:00 -
[106]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: thelung187
Originally by: CCP Mitnal If you disagree with what is written or have a news item you'd like Interstellar Correspondents to follow up on, you can always get in touch with them at [email protected] or via the link on the forums.
Yes, because they I'm sure they'd respond to any player inquiry with a hand-written (non-form letter) personalized response.
Hi, I'm Serathu, the head of the Interstellar Correspondents.
We respond to all email correspondence, where appropriate, and try to respond to submissions from the website where possible.
To answer some of the other concerns here, I can assure you that the reporter in question has no connection to the in-game entities that they have written about. Our internal policies have strict bias rules, part of my job is to enforce this and our actions are regularly reviewed by the same team that watches the actions of CCP developers - CCP Internal Affairs. If you feel that we are actually biased in this matter, I encourage you to contact IA with any evidence you have and ask them to investigate.
Finally, if anyone has any useful information for us that will help us to improve our news, you are encouraged to send us an email or submit a news lead as previously detailed.
The worst thing you did was to answer the vocals about the news don¦t give them any importance because i think you are doing fine.Even when the north reports were biased i didnt gave a crap because to the other eve players that arent in 0.0 politics it brings to them content and that to me is the biggest achivemeant.
If people didn¦t like the article well aplly to ISD and try to make your own ....Or you can NOT read the article ,F**** drama queens over here.
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 10:50:00 -
[107]
yeah who cares about the neutrality of CCP or their in-game news department
just mind your own business!!! move along!! nothing going on here!! no hands were caught in the cookie jar!!
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Spiffy Sunkist
Gallente Malevolent Evolution The Church.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 10:59:00 -
[108]
Originally by: EdFromHumanResources The fact that ISD doesn't seem to understand why 99% of the Eve playerbase just rolls its eyes when you claim to be unbiased blows my ****ing mind.
Hmmm. Coming from a Goon that's a statement.
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:07:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Totally Slick yeah who cares about the neutrality of CCP or their in-game news department
just mind your own business!!! move along!! nothing going on here!! no hands were caught in the cookie jar!!
No they just shouldn't get preoccupied from some comments off 0.0 power blocks say about their reports ,it stinks of propaganda .
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Misanth
Amarr RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:15:00 -
[110]
Biased or not (yah I too been wondering what rock they live under..), the log in screen would've been alot more dull without their posts.
Like CAOD without drama or battlereports. It'd just be 'watered out'.
Who cares what the content in their post is, just take is as some RP-ramble like some of the CCP posts. Those involved know wth is going on anyway. It's better that ISD post is there than not. Unlike Fox who actually has people believing that crap they're spewing, and that's real ****, not some internet spaceweb roflmayong.
There's alot more disturing things to put some energy on 'fixing' than this, and either case; biased news is better than no news. -
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Bagdon
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:50:00 -
[111]
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
I hope that clearly answers this concern but if not, I'll be happy to explain further.
Why, hello there Mr. ISD Rupert Murdoch. I, for one, welcome the fair and balanced reporting and look forward to future articles where you report and we decide. After all, ISD is the most powerful name in news.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:58:00 -
[112]
The ISD news on the Delve conflict has been pretty good I'd say. On the whole I think the news team have been doing a decent job in recent times on reporting a range of conflicts and happenings across the Eve universe and while obviously nobody is going to be completely happy with the content on each article the reality is that all news is good news for the purposes of getting the participants names and identity out there in the public domain.
Of course ISD is going to be dependent on players submitting leads though - its ridiculous to believe it can work in any other way, you can't expect the news team to have full time jobs inbedded in particular alliances and coalitions and create this stuff on spec and if it was ever discovered this was going on then it would create its own righteous scandal of indignation from everyone else.
Ultimately I think the goons in this threat need to step back and realize that there is a big difference between the kind of CAOD spamming "domination" they have been shooting for over the past months and the process of submitting interesting and valuable news leads for ISD to follow-up and research for the in-game login news.
Sure a CAOD front page full of memes and "we pwned j00 11111!" plays well for goon alliance membership and private forums but it does absolutely nothing to inform or entertain the wider eve player base and hence is pretty worthless as a basis for independent news articles. I find it very ironic that the goons in this thread are advising ISD to read SHC to find out whats happening in Delve because their own alliance have effectively made CAOD worthless through their own repetitive spamming - talk about an admission of guilt.
Reality is that you goons are going to have to evolve out of your own niche posting standards and present accounts of the war that appeal to "pubbies" if you expect to be taken seriously and given the general air time you seem to believe you deserve.
Other than that. Carry on with what you're doing ISD news - from a player uninvolved with the Delve conflict its been an informative and interesting sequence of articles and I do appreciate the RP spin you've placed on an often bland and unattractively metagamy sequence of game mechanic ploys.
Well done.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Mr Rive
Gallente Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:04:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Killer2
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk I can understand your viewpoint however I must point out that correlation does not imply causation.
To explain the reason behind what you've identified, we're volunteers and as such cannot rely on a formal commitment of time when it comes to reporting. We're somewhat understaffed at the moment and given some recent illnesses and absences, we've not necessarily had the experience and the volunteer time to commit to writing such news. This, coupled with the fact that we're not always told about events that happen (again, we don't have the staffing to know about everything that goes on or check every forum post), makes it very hard to produce a consistent output in terms of number of articles.
It's a situation I'm unhappy with which is why we're taking more reports on and will start prominently recruiting soon (we've got to make sure we have the people to train new volunteers first).
I hope that clearly answers this concern but if not, I'll be happy to explain further.
I can completely understand that ISD staff are simply volunteers and are therefore somewhat restricted to time constraints. However, please do not tell me that the excuse to the biased articles published are as a direct result of staffing issues. With that line of argument, you are telling me that it is some shocking coincidence where immediately after GKC forces had their first major win in weeks, that suddenly the staffing issues for ISD were resolved and you were able to publish a news article?
This isn't something that has just popped up overnight. The biased opinions and reports coming from ISD has been an ongoing problem, as I have highlighted in my previous post. You have had ample time to find new (impartial) reporters who are capable of presenting both sides of an argument. Your feature articles about Kenzoku or Band of Brothers have only ever represented their successes and perhaps only briefly mentioning their failures.
Claiming that ISD isn't able to know everything that's going on in Eve is not relevant in this scenario. We are not talking about some rediculous fight between two fifty-man corporations. This is an ongoing conflict between thousands of players who make up more than 50% of CCP's player base. If ISD staff live under a rock, perhaps I can understand not knowing about the conflict. Are you also telling me that ISD were aware of a breakout of GKC forces from PR- after being camped in for weeks on end, but you were unaware of the amount of deathstars and baby super-capitals that were destroyed in Delve by coalition forces?
Please stop trying to scratch at the surface in an attempt to find excuses for the biased view on ISD news reports. I am but one voice in this community, however I know for a fact that I am not the only one who feels this way. Perhaps it is time that ISD seriously reflects how articles are published and what effect they have on the eve community. I pray that you come to realize the mistakes ISD have consistently made spanning at least two years, before it is too late and the majority of the eve community simply ignores the articles you publish, which I am already beginning to do.
Respectfully, Killer2.
im just gonna quote his so i dont have the spend time writing a similar yet less well shaped opinion
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:09:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Funny change from the pretty obvious pro-NC crap that was spouted from ISD when we were up north. :)
I'm not totally sure but since you're a smart guy Waagaa I'll assume this comment is genuine sarcasm just dressed up as propoganda for anyone not concentrating? And if even Ken leaders are pointing out ISD is biased then it's undeniable there's a problem.
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk It is the nature of news that not every reader will be happy with our coverage and should you be unhappy with it we would welcome any substantiated evidence of error that you may have
The article (mentioned by others above) about BoB's capital defeats up north was this one: Titan And Two Motherships Downed In E-OGL4
It's one of the tiniest alliance articles ever so I'll even post it in it's entirety:
Quote: Northern Coalition and Greater BoB Community forces met in battle on the 26th and 27th of this month in the E-OGL4 star system. Over 1,000 pilots were present during the exchanges and hundreds of ships were lost, including two GBC motherships and a GBC titan.
Despite some earlier setbacks, it appears that The GBC ôMax Damageö offensive has been steadily advancing into the Tribute region via the Taisy/M-OEE8/E-OGL4 corridor. The NC has been successfully holding a defensive position in the next system of that corridor, 15W-GC.
On the night of the 26th, ShrikeÆs Avatar class titan was discovered and destroyed in E-OGL4 by a large Northern Coalition force. The ensuing rally by GBC forces and further reinforcement of NC forces combined into a large scale battle that claimed over 100 dreadnoughts, 20+ carriers, two motherships, and hundreds of battleships and support ships.
The GBC withdrew from the battlefield during both of the large scale fights on the 26th and 27th. Although the GBC surrendered the battlefields to NC salvagers, they still maintain a tight grip on the system.
This is pretty much what I'd expect a BoB leader to write if you put a gun to his head and absolutely forced him to report about the biggest capital defeats his alliance had ever suffered. It doesn't even mention Morsus Mihi (this is pretty much standard in articles about wars we're involved in so we're used to it - but c'mon this was the invasion of our tiny insignificant home). Read the title and you have no idea who lost the supercaps. For once BoB isn't mentioned much either, this could have been Skunk-Works losing a titan (no offence to 'em ) to the casual reader who doesn't know Shrike is actually the figurehead of the second the biggest alliance in 0.0, his ship the flagship of an entire coalition.
I could go on, the whole article is laced with bias. The "steadily advancing into Tribute" line drew the most laughs.
Inaccuracies are expected, and it's completely understandable that you lack manpower but honestly you just shouldn't have even bothered posting this article because it undermines all your other reporting.
There was one reasonably decent article about BoB's earlier losses during MAX and it serves very well to illustrate my next point. Anyone who remembers when the ISD reporters were formed will remember we were promised that bias would be avoided by contacting all parties and letting them have their say. Here's the article: Max Damage Minimized In Deklein
And here's the balanced say from all parties: ... |
Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:10:00 -
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...
Quote: One anonymous IRON pilot had this to say about the 'Maximum Damage' operation, "It doesn't seem to have been very successful for BoB..."
Krok elite of Red Alliance shared a similar view: "Operation 'MAXimum Damage' changed to 'MAXimum PODS going home'"
SpaceSavage, a member of Executive Outcomes (a member of the Greater BoB Coalition) had a different opinion: "If IRON believes they've stopped MAX, they are mistaken. The thing is with this sort of campaign is that you can't really stop it. With logistics being so easy, with the industrial strength, the only thing that will stop MAX is if BoB/GBC say stop. The most dangerous thing in [space] is a roaming entity, a fleet that has no specific goals other than to level part of the map, so far we've taken out fleets, taken high value moons, killed defenders and then killed attackers. MAX is designed to inflict maximum damage, thus far, it's happening. I think time will tell how efficient the campaign will be. I'm looking forward to many fights ahead; I was part of the group of 400 capitals that moved up here, a sight to behold, now all that's left is for someone to challenge that fleet."
This is a pretty common way to end any article that might otherwised put BoB in a bad light. Here's another gem from an article packed with BoB and Tri achievements and lots of Tri quotes ( Vale Of The Silent Conflict Grows ):
Quote: No representative of PURE. or the rest of the Northern Coalition could be contacted for comment prior to publication of this article, but we hope to have a Northern Coalition point of view for you in our next article!
I can't speak for other NC alliances but you made no attempt to contact RAWR despite us being right next-door with the Vale focused NC forces staging in our territory and despite us losing 3 motherships and 'activating a doomsday weapon' in your article. (The later was actually very newsworthy if you'd bothered to quiz us about it, but not at all flattering for us so we weren't exactly going to go out of our way to notify you.) For future reference myself, Orree, Killer2 are all good RAWR people to talk to for press stuff or failing that any of our diplos (listed on our wiki.eveonline.com page) will find you someone to talk to.
I'm not actually all that bothered about reading ISD news on 0.0 conflicts myself, and I suspect the same goes for a lot of 0.0 players. We get our news through more direct sources. What I do enjoy are those little stories about some empire corp I've never heard of being the first to do something random it'd never occurred to anyone else to do (or whatever), because it reminds me about the depth EVE has and I know it gives the players involved a lot of satisfaction to have all of EVE looking in on their world for a moment despite not being involved in EVE's 'endgame'. ISD correspondents do that stuff well. But I do think it's important to show off EVE's endgame on the front page news for new players (or potential players) because it's easy to play EVE for months and still not get what the fuss is about. In that sense ISD news succeeds. It doesn't matter it's biased, it still gives a flavour of 0.0. But if you do care about impartial reporting you should know that the majority of 0.0 considers you biased.
I don't buy that you're packed with BoB alts, my hunch is you've fallen for the BoB propoganda that they're somehow responsible for 'creating' all the 0.0 content and you thus have your sensors set artificially high for anything they do. Fair play to BoB (Ken), they consider getting news reports on their adventures to be very important and they do it well (up to and including the NY Times article). Maybe it's just another aspect of this great sandbox that they're able to play the official news agency like a tool, but you should know it's happening at the least.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:11:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/03/2009 12:12:38
Originally by: Mr Rive
Originally by: Killer2
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk I can understand your viewpoint however I must point out that correlation does not imply causation.
To explain the reason behind what you've identified, we're volunteers and as such cannot rely on a formal commitment of time when it comes to reporting. We're somewhat understaffed at the moment and given some recent illnesses and absences, we've not necessarily had the experience and the volunteer time to commit to writing such news. This, coupled with the fact that we're not always told about events that happen (again, we don't have the staffing to know about everything that goes on or check every forum post), makes it very hard to produce a consistent output in terms of number of articles.
It's a situation I'm unhappy with which is why we're taking more reports on and will start prominently recruiting soon (we've got to make sure we have the people to train new volunteers first).
I hope that clearly answers this concern but if not, I'll be happy to explain further.
I can completely understand that ISD staff are simply volunteers and are therefore somewhat restricted to time constraints. However, please do not tell me that the excuse to the biased articles published are as a direct result of staffing issues. With that line of argument, you are telling me that it is some shocking coincidence where immediately after GKC forces had their first major win in weeks, that suddenly the staffing issues for ISD were resolved and you were able to publish a news article?
This isn't something that has just popped up overnight. The biased opinions and reports coming from ISD has been an ongoing problem, as I have highlighted in my previous post. You have had ample time to find new (impartial) reporters who are capable of presenting both sides of an argument. Your feature articles about Kenzoku or Band of Brothers have only ever represented their successes and perhaps only briefly mentioning their failures.
Claiming that ISD isn't able to know everything that's going on in Eve is not relevant in this scenario. We are not talking about some rediculous fight between two fifty-man corporations. This is an ongoing conflict between thousands of players who make up more than 50% of CCP's player base. If ISD staff live under a rock, perhaps I can understand not knowing about the conflict. Are you also telling me that ISD were aware of a breakout of GKC forces from PR- after being camped in for weeks on end, but you were unaware of the amount of deathstars and baby super-capitals that were destroyed in Delve by coalition forces?
Please stop trying to scratch at the surface in an attempt to find excuses for the biased view on ISD news reports. I am but one voice in this community, however I know for a fact that I am not the only one who feels this way. Perhaps it is time that ISD seriously reflects how articles are published and what effect they have on the eve community. I pray that you come to realize the mistakes ISD have consistently made spanning at least two years, before it is too late and the majority of the eve community simply ignores the articles you publish, which I am already beginning to do.
Respectfully, Killer2.
im just gonna quote his so i dont have the spend time writing a similar yet less well shaped opinion
Two items from that post you quoted leap off the page really:
1. The conspiracy theory about why news gets published? - Well, it takes somebody to submit a news lead. Spamming CAOD doesn't count.
2. "This is an ongoing conflict between thousands of players who make up more than 50% of CCP's player base."
Seriously. If you really believe this is correct you really need to wake up and smell the coffee
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Cippalippus Primus
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:22:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
1. The conspiracy theory about why news gets published? - Well, it takes somebody to submit a news lead. Spamming CAOD doesn't count.
This is what I thought too, but apparently there are people who submitted news leads about events not-so-favourable for BoB and they have been ignored- or the news haven't been published. If they aren't lying about the fact that they submitted news leads, of course, which might as well be; but I doubt it.
I'm against conspiracy theories but I'm glad this thread came out. Anyway, ISD are supposed to be neutral like CCP in their news reporting but that isn't evidently the case, wether there is bias or simple lack of knowledge I don't know, but at the end of the day the news reported aren't neutral neither in their style nor in their content; not to mention timing. -clp
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:24:00 -
[118]
Coalition:
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Al'Htaed
Minmatar Hug Nutz
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:32:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Originally by: Jade Constantine
1. The conspiracy theory about why news gets published? - Well, it takes somebody to submit a news lead. Spamming CAOD doesn't count.
This is what I thought too, but apparently there are people who submitted news leads about events not-so-favourable for BoB and they have been ignored- or the news haven't been published. If they aren't lying about the fact that they submitted news leads, of course, which might as well be; but I doubt it.
I'm against conspiracy theories but I'm glad this thread came out. Anyway, ISD are supposed to be neutral like CCP in their news reporting but that isn't evidently the case, wether there is bias or simple lack of knowledge I don't know, but at the end of the day the news reported aren't neutral neither in their style nor in their content; not to mention timing.
Dude it's jade. Don't bother.
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Syrinthal
Gallente Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:43:00 -
[120]
*PL titan tackled by GBC and almost goes down in Fountain* *2 hours later PL tackles BoB titan in Curse* *Hurley dies to Goons+PL* *3 hours later news post about the PL titan that got tackled and got out* *No news about the actual titan that went down*
During one of the fights in question, there were uncloaked ISD ships 20 odd km off fleets, ISD talk in local while the battle was still on. ISD convoing FC's while the fight was still on.
So ISD rite now~~
hurf blurf etc etc.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:45:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Originally by: Jade Constantine
1. The conspiracy theory about why news gets published? - Well, it takes somebody to submit a news lead. Spamming CAOD doesn't count.
This is what I thought too, but apparently there are people who submitted news leads about events not-so-favourable for BoB and they have been ignored- or the news haven't been published. If they aren't lying about the fact that they submitted news leads, of course, which might as well be; but I doubt it.
I'm against conspiracy theories but I'm glad this thread came out. Anyway, ISD are supposed to be neutral like CCP in their news reporting but that isn't evidently the case, wether there is bias or simple lack of knowledge I don't know, but at the end of the day the news reported aren't neutral neither in their style nor in their content; not to mention timing.
In my own experience it sometimes takes up to a month for the story to get published.
Also, I suspect that ISD are more likely to respond to a news lead if it's submitted both according to their guidelines and in a polite manner.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:47:00 -
[122]
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:55:00 -
[123]
Edited by: The Mittani on 18/03/2009 12:55:42 no seriously not trollin' i think the isd is funny and i like it when they come out with stuff that's completely wrong~
1. its funny~ 2. it confuses pubbies which is always useful as the complacency this engenders provides wiggle room on the strategic level 3. if you really want to spread a message the login screen is a terrible way to do it and thats what other media outlets are for
edit: shameful lack of ~
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Cippalippus Primus
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:57:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
This is what I thought too, but apparently there are people who submitted news leads about events not-so-favourable for BoB and they have been ignored- or the news haven't been published. If they aren't lying about the fact that they submitted news leads, of course, which might as well be; but I doubt it.
I'm against conspiracy theories but I'm glad this thread came out. Anyway, ISD are supposed to be neutral like CCP in their news reporting but that isn't evidently the case, wether there is bias or simple lack of knowledge I don't know, but at the end of the day the news reported aren't neutral neither in their style nor in their content; not to mention timing.
In my own experience it sometimes takes up to a month for the story to get published.
Also, I suspect that ISD are more likely to respond to a news lead if it's submitted both according to their guidelines and in a polite manner.
If it's "breaking news" such as a Titan kill, the story is out within the next day.
As for "guidelines" and "polite manners", I doubt that the news leads were "we 0wnz0red those fukken noobs l0l". Well, unless it was SuperTwinkey doing them!
In any case, some of us decided that when stuff happens we'll send some lines, complaining about it and doing nothing won't bring us anywhere. -clp
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NeoTheo
Caldari Dark Materials
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Posted - 2009.03.18 13:08:00 -
[125]
lol whineswarm ;)
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Jack Fairplay
Minmatar Infusion.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 13:25:00 -
[126]
Originally by: NeoTheo lol whineswarm ;)
Who are you and why do you matter?
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Lunas Feelgood
Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 13:37:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 18/03/2009 13:42:42
I think its really funny so many are laughing about the concept that ISD has been infiltrated by BOB alts..
Last time a thread like this was on CAOD people was laughing there ass off that there was suggestions that there were devs in bob.. Then surdenly the hole "spawned BPO" scandel happend and the laughter then stoped.. So why in gods name is it so hard to belive??
Even if you on the other side just read the last year news.. Max fail campaign for starters biggest ass whope in the history of EVE.. BOB and allies lost over 500 capitals ships in 3-4 weeks span not one word was mention there..
Goons and allies dispand BOB kill 500 towers, take delve The biggest event ever and not one word mention there???
Everyone with half a brain can see whats going on here.
Edit. Btw it dont take a rocket scientist to infiltrate ISD. Make a new account aplie and then start writing some propaganda "news", yes its that easy.
Originally by: Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history
Originally by: BOB
"I played EVE for 5 years and all I got left is crappy forum alts"..
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Ar'tee
Amarr DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 13:39:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Jamin Berry
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk We're somewhat understaffed at the moment and given some recent illnesses and absences, we've not necessarily had the experience and the volunteer time to commit to writing such news.
Seems fairly logical to me. KenZoku and friends are losing, the pilots become unavailable due to "illnesses and absences," no articles are written. When KenZoku and friends decide to start playing Eve again, they find themselves with more time to write articles.
+rep
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Aneu Angellus
Caldari DAB PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.18 13:40:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood I think its really funny so many are laughing about the concept that ISD has been infiltrated by BOB alts..
Last time a thread like this was on CAOD people was laughing there ass off that there was suggestions that there were devs in bob.. Then surdenly the hole "spawned BPO" scandel happend and the laughter then stoped.. So why in gods name is it so hard to belive??
Even if you on the other side just read the last year news.. Max fail campaign for starters biggest ass whope in the history of EVE.. BOB and allies lost over 500 capitals ships in 3-4 weeks span not one word was mention there..
Goons and allies dispand BOB kill 500 towers, take delve The biggest event ever and not one word mention there???
Everyone with half a brain can see whats going on here.
It is quite simple yes - It was leading up to Apocrypha, where im sure most of the efforts were spent on the story line. In addition if someone from the aforementioned parties can post here saying 'I sent a mail to ISD to report this...' then i will retract what iv said - as i know for a fact BoB emailed ISD whenever anything major goes down.
Cheers ________________ Dark Angel Battalion
Recruiting Now |
Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 13:51:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 18/03/2009 13:51:37 I have to agree with the "whineswarm" comment, even if I'd use softer language. I honestly don't understand what motivation the ISD would have for only reporting KZ news. |
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LTD THOR
Caldari Liga Freier Terraner Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.03.18 14:13:00 -
[131]
Edited by: LTD THOR on 18/03/2009 14:20:16 "bohoo"
ask german members for translation.
it¦s a game about virtual spaceships and stuff.. it¦s unfair sometimes?
i¦m shocked!
Originally by: Bob Marley "..we¦re jammin, i hope you like jammin, too"
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 14:13:00 -
[132]
look at all these newbies complaining like a bunch of girly men at a PETA rally |
VCBee2777
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 14:17:00 -
[133]
damn crybabies, stop whining about ccp spawning bpos aurora handing out motherships isd not reporting news
you should all the take waaahhmbulance out of this thread |
NeoTheo
Caldari Dark Materials
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Posted - 2009.03.18 14:43:00 -
[134]
Edited by: NeoTheo on 18/03/2009 14:43:33
Originally by: Jack Fairplay
Originally by: NeoTheo lol whineswarm ;)
Who are you and why do you matter?
Ohhhh internet space ship importance! arnt you just the leet. Rich comming form the 1 post forum alt.
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LifeLines
Caldari Lithuanians Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 14:49:00 -
[135]
Edited by: LifeLines on 18/03/2009 14:49:39 sad seein' GS caring about internet fame.
you guise are becoming elitist!
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 15:01:00 -
[136]
we care about ccp :) |
James Duar
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 15:04:00 -
[137]
This is a terrible thread.
Clearly "Goons win" is far too common. I need to know when Kenny wins - then I can consider stopping collecting the ISK rain in Delve and shotting webs.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 15:08:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth bfm are you drunk
Ya I was. Lookit all dem words. ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
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Xunasy
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 15:21:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Jade Constantine words
Hahahaha you role play a chick online, your opinion means nothing.
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.18 15:33:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Aneu Angellus if someone from the aforementioned parties can post here saying 'I sent a mail to ISD to report this...' then i will retract what iv said - as i know for a fact BoB emailed ISD whenever anything major goes down.
This isn't intended to be damning evidence just a little something to stack up against the rest, but when RAWR dabbled in faction warfare I sent the embedded reporter assigned to the Caldari Militia a mail all about what we were doing. I linked him our detailed in-character roleplayed forum post (now on a deleted long forgotten roleplay forum). I'm a bit of a closet roleplayer and the evemail was in character too, certainly not "lulz we doin FW write report on us i'nit" kinda stuff. Now in hindsight an actual email to the full ISD news address as well would have been better but they'd gone out of their way to focus on FW with these embedded reporters and iirc asked us to contact them. I wasn't really expecting a news piece straight away but I did think having a major 0.0 alliance getting involved in FW/empire bound politics and indicating a desire to roleplay it would be pretty high on their list of leads to follow up. I figured I'd at least get an acklowledgement, a thank-you for going out of my way (in character that is) to give the media the inside scoop on our usully extremely secretive military.
Maybe he was ill or absent, except he wasn't. He logged on a lot some days later only by now our FW plans were being unwound as MAX was begining and we quietely dropped the whole idea. Hence I didn't actually want to talk to him, but it was still surpising he never acknowledged me. A couple weeks later I was even more surprised as this news article was published: Alliances Involved In Militia Politics ending with:
Quote: Jade Constantine hinted that Morsus Mihi and Ushra'Khan may be pursuing similar courses of action. Interstellar Correspondents is investigating these rumors and will follow up accordingly.
I guess Jade read our press release on the official alliance roleplay forum, but ISD never got the memo through either channel. As I said it's just circumstantial, all it really proves is they had a dud Caldari militia reporter and didn't read the IC alliance forum. ... |
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 15:34:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Xunasy
Originally by: Jade Constantine words
Hahahaha you role play a female prostitute terrorist online, your opinion means nothing.
fixed ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.18 15:34:00 -
[142]
... Here's another one though. After this article: Max Damage Minimized In Deklein I mailed Magnus ingame and by email. Here's the email:
Quote: [Copy of a mail I just sent ingame]
Hi, I just wanted to point out a small inaccuracy in your latest news piece.
This battle in 2R-CRW on the 10th came about as a result of Morsus Mihi scouts spotting the regrouped BoB/GBC fleet portaling into D06H-Q. The Morsus Mihi fleet was based around close range battleships with strong dictor support and setup in 2R-CRW on the CCP-US gate blocking the BoB fleet from reentering Deklein. An IRON/PURE sniper fleet arrived to provide additional fire over the gate and as the GBC jumped into us a lighter close range RA wing arrived too. It was suspected before BoB jumped in that they believed 2R-CRW wasn't cyno-jammed when in fact it was.
The losses were approximately 90 to 40 in favour of the NC with Morsus Mihi taking the majority (25) of the NC losses due to our position, so I feel it's a significant omission that we aren't even mentioned.
Thanks,
- Blazde, Chief Press Officer, Morus Mihi
As I said before ISD have a blind spot for RAWR and this was our one vain attempt to correct it since there was a lot of o.0 among members upon reading the article. Again I'll admit I should have mailed the general address but didn't. I was aiming for a more personal touch since Magnus authored the article and was one of the more prolific writers at the time. I guess I trusted him too much, or maybe he went absent right after writing the article. Again, it's circumstantial. Either way I didn't get so much as an acknowledgement, yet again.
After these and a few more failed attempts by others in RAWR we just don't bother anymore. I don't mind not getting a news article when we provide a lead, but when you try to support the ISD and your mails may well have gone unread for all you know... what's the incentive to keep wasting your time. ISD have contacted us once.. or twice in the past and we've played along and made it easy for them, but that was back in 2007. Maybe we're doing it wrong, maybe we should care more and keep spamming the blackhole, but we don't, and the result is biased news. My hunch is GoonSwarm's approach is the exact opposite to ours and yet they get ignored too. BoB are better than us at submitting leads *shrug*
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Vasili Z
Minmatar Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.18 15:42:00 -
[143]
Holy ****ing crybabies, people actually read the news? -------
Eve requires no skill anymore |
Twoside
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 16:15:00 -
[144]
ppl take ISD serious??? that's like taking CCP serious :) |
Hubris
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 17:21:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Hubris on 18/03/2009 17:22:23
Originally by: Twoside ppl take ISD serious??? that's like taking CCP serious :)
this is prob the best reply to the whole issue. ISD are worthless just as aurora was.
Eventually an internal leak will come out and they will end up being shut down as well. CCP entities do not learn from their past mistakes. DEV's cheated got caught Aurora cheated got caught ISD??????
Funny how everything was in one particular groups favor. -
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Spiffy Sunkist
Gallente Malevolent Evolution The Church.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 18:07:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Spiffy Sunkist on 18/03/2009 18:15:41 You guys are hilarious. It's so funny i can't even grasp for words. Camping somehone in for 1 Month or a battle when 700 ships were destroyed. If they would have reported on the camp that news flash would be like two senteces long.
"Goonswarm has been camping PR- for 1 Month. This has never been done before and is massive."
Just because you lost one battle and are emoragquiting. Maybe CCP should report that it's snowing in Sweden right now?
Maybe bob is just better
Im going too remember that quoute for the rest of my life Morsus mihi "usully extremely secretive military."
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.18 18:25:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Hubris Edited by: Hubris on 18/03/2009 17:22:23
Originally by: Twoside ppl take ISD serious??? that's like taking CCP serious :)
this is prob the best reply to the whole issue. ISD are worthless just as aurora was.
Eventually an internal leak will come out and they will end up being shut down as well. CCP entities do not learn from their past mistakes. DEV's cheated got caught Aurora cheated got caught ISD??????
Funny how everything was in one particular groups favor.
I can see it now ISD infiltrated bob agents have "propagandised" to death coagilition and they refuse to logon at eve and escaped to real life and are procreating like bunnys in their country's of choice.
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SK Rooster
Gallente No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.03.18 18:30:00 -
[148]
well my last post got moderated for god knows what reason so im posting it again:
ISD whatever his name is has made is painfully simple:
1. if you think something is not accurate, dont whine about it on forums, report it to proper people
2. if you think important events are not being reported, step and and apply for the ISD yourself then you can help do the reporting
they are a VOLUNTEER force so you cannot expect them to put out a story for everything, and if you want your stories out there maybe write one yourself and submit it to them
PS cry more goons, PL and NC
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Hubris
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 18:44:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Hubris Edited by: Hubris on 18/03/2009 17:22:23
Originally by: Twoside ppl take ISD serious??? that's like taking CCP serious :)
this is prob the best reply to the whole issue. ISD are worthless just as aurora was.
Eventually an internal leak will come out and they will end up being shut down as well. CCP entities do not learn from their past mistakes. DEV's cheated got caught Aurora cheated got caught ISD??????
Funny how everything was in one particular groups favor.
I can see it now ISD infiltrated bob agents have "propagandised" to death coagilition and they refuse to logon at eve and escaped to real life and are procreating like bunnys in their country's of choice.
There isn't much ISD can do in the realm of cheating that we know about. But it is funny they do all they can to still hold on to their precious blatantly bias ideals. -
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Professor Dumbledore
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 18:54:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Hubris
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Hubris Edited by: Hubris on 18/03/2009 17:22:23
Originally by: Twoside ppl take ISD serious??? that's like taking CCP serious :)
this is prob the best reply to the whole issue. ISD are worthless just as aurora was.
Eventually an internal leak will come out and they will end up being shut down as well. CCP entities do not learn from their past mistakes. DEV's cheated got caught Aurora cheated got caught ISD??????
Funny how everything was in one particular groups favor.
I can see it now ISD infiltrated bob agents have "propagandised" to death coagilition and they refuse to logon at eve and escaped to real life and are procreating like bunnys in their country's of choice.
There isn't much ISD can do in the realm of cheating that we know about. But it is funny they do all they can to still hold on to their precious blatantly bias ideals.
dont isd get those invincible ships that can warp cloaked ie making a perfect "scout" as well as "pretending" to be a reporter during a battle to get info from people like the normally do?
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 19:09:00 -
[151]
the idea that anyone at ccp or any one who volunteers for ccp could cheat is just so ridiculous that I won't even acknowledge the possibility that it could happen |
britishfish
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:09:00 -
[152]
Originally by: NeoTheo lol whineswarm ;)
made me laugh cheers
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General Windypops
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:37:00 -
[153]
This is absolutely class. A 5 page hissyfit tantrum about why they're not taken seriously. It's a delight to see how desperately they crave the attention these days.
A couple of observations as to why you aren't getting any news coverage:
- Camping some stations for a month and getting almost no kills isn't newsworthy. Sorry about that. - You're probably right that more of the volunteers have sympathies with Kenzoku. I reckon that's because BoB and its allies are the kind of people who take a constructive attitude to this game, and who contribute and volunteer to make it a better and more interesting place. That's why they're more popular than you.
If you care so much about that tiny little box you see when you log in, then take five minutes out from copying each others forum memes and write an article. Do something constructive rather than having yet another tantrum.
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:54:00 -
[154]
yeah non biased news is too much to ask for |
General Windypops
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:01:00 -
[155]
Edited by: General Windypops on 18/03/2009 21:01:10
Originally by: Totally Slick yeah non biased news is too much to ask for
It's about interest not bias. Kenzoku and allies staging fight back and kicking ass? Interesting. Goonswarm sit for a month bored off their arses in a system? Mindblowingly tedious.
I think it's amusing that you care so much about what the community think of you though. How dare they not celebrate your achievements??? After all you've done for them!!!
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Hubris
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:06:00 -
[156]
Originally by: General Windypops You're probably right that more of the volunteers have sympathies with Kenzoku. I reckon that's because BoB and its allies are the kind of people who take a constructive attitude to this game, and who contribute and volunteer to make it a better and more interesting place.
:sarcasm: They constructively started large scale metagaming and high level cheating in eve. They also contributed the cause of the largest bad press CCP have gotten. :sarcasm: -
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General Windypops
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:13:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Hubris
Originally by: General Windypops You're probably right that more of the volunteers have sympathies with Kenzoku. I reckon that's because BoB and its allies are the kind of people who take a constructive attitude to this game, and who contribute and volunteer to make it a better and more interesting place.
:sarcasm: They constructively started large scale metagaming and high level cheating in eve. They also contributed the cause of the largest bad press CCP have gotten. :sarcasm:
Yeah you've been making those claims for 3 years now. Yet it's still your side that are raging emo about losing the popularity contest in an internet spaceship game? Go figure.
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:19:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Totally Slick on 18/03/2009 21:21:04 it's amusing that you bring up ~the community~ teh community this~~ the community~ that the community couldn't be reached for a comment they said they were busy running level 4 missions
Originally by: Hubris
:sarcasm: They constructively started large scale metagaming and high level cheating in eve. They also contributed the cause of the largest bad press CCP have gotten. :sarcasm:
what is your beef with cheaters man nobody cares about cheaters any longer live and let live! |
Iva Soreass
Caldari Blind Violence
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:25:00 -
[159]
Holy hole in a doughnut batman, look at all the pubbie goon tear's.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:41:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 18/03/2009 21:46:00 nvm, it's really not worth it
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:57:00 -
[161]
i think you may be mistaking the intentional delegitimation of an outlet for whining but w/e nbd~
it happened to caod and now it seems to be isd's turn
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Spiffy Sunkist
Gallente Malevolent Evolution The Church.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:00:00 -
[162]
They don't get their attention from the momys so now they needz it from ISD. Sad^^
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Two Beans
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:04:00 -
[163]
Wait, there's news reports on the login screen? _____________ His Royal Highness King Two Beans King of CAOD
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General Windypops
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:26:00 -
[164]
Edited by: General Windypops on 18/03/2009 22:26:48
Originally by: The Mittani i think you may be mistaking the intentional delegitimation of an outlet for whining but w/e nbd~
it happened to caod and now it seems to be isd's turn
Oh ok, you might want to get the guys to work on their posting technique then, because it was coming across all aggro-needy, rather than laid-back cynicism. I'm fairly sure some of your newer goons misread the situation and were taking it all a bit seriously too so you might want to have a word just saying.
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:33:00 -
[165]
this isn't anything when it comes to posting.
you want goon posting to really take off? add a postcount underneath our avatars. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Chairman Lmao
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:38:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Illiya this isn't anything when it comes to posting.
you want goon posting to really take off? add a postcount underneath our avatars.
never stop believing never stop posting
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:39:00 -
[167]
Originally by: The Mittani i think you may be mistaking the intentional delegitimation of an outlet for whining but w/e nbd~
Thanks for confirming that for us.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:08:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Totally Slick the idea that anyone at ccp or any one who volunteers for ccp could cheat is just so ridiculous that I won't even acknowledge the possibility that it could happen
I think you are on pretty rocky ground here goonswarm. Since in the eyes of many Eve players your current "squatting" on the Band of Brothers corp name for the purpose of blocking the re-creation of an established player alliance name is something that certainly looks like a breach of the rules and the fact that CCP haven't already forcibly renamed the goonswarm "band of brothers alt corp" to "corporation 112113131331" looks as much as anything like a biased position in your favour...
It is ridiculous that corporation naming can block alliance naming in the first place - but wilfully doing this to cause grief and upset by denying an existing player entity its established in-game identity is something that many consider beyond the pale of reasonable gameplay. By this deed goonswarm directors displayed their intention to remove history from the game and exploit poor game mechanics to do it.
Got to say if I was still on the CSM I'd be for bringing this matter up to CCP as a matter of principle, since I think failing to rectify this situation when there is a past record of impersonation characters and entities being removed is poor form.
So at this point goonswarm complaining about CCP bias is laughable at best. You are abusing the alliance/corporation naming system for cheap morale damage against other paying Eve players and it doesn't look good.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:13:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Got to say if I was still on the CSM I'd be for bringing this matter up to CCP as a matter of principle, since I think failing to rectify this situation when there is a past record of impersonation characters and entities being removed is poor form.
The CSM really needs to spend more time going round in circles arguing over principles. You should re apply, the guy that took the minutes has recovered from his RSI
Kenny didn't own the name, and when it was no longer in use, anyone was free to use it. Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:15:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Mo adib on 18/03/2009 23:17:04
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Totally Slick the idea that anyone at ccp or any one who volunteers for ccp could cheat is just so ridiculous that I won't even acknowledge the possibility that it could happen
I think you are on pretty rocky ground here goonswarm. Since in the eyes of many Eve players your current "squatting" on the Band of Brothers corp name for the purpose of blocking the re-creation of an established player alliance name is something that certainly looks like a breach of the rules and the fact that CCP haven't already forcibly renamed the goonswarm "band of brothers alt corp" to "corporation 112113131331" looks as much as anything like a biased position in your favour...
It is ridiculous that corporation naming can block alliance naming in the first place - but wilfully doing this to cause grief and upset by denying an existing player entity its established in-game identity is something that many consider beyond the pale of reasonable gameplay. By this deed goonswarm directors displayed their intention to remove history from the game and exploit poor game mechanics to do it.
Got to say if I was still on the CSM I'd be for bringing this matter up to CCP as a matter of principle, since I think failing to rectify this situation when there is a past record of impersonation characters and entities being removed is poor form.
So at this point goonswarm complaining about CCP bias is laughable at best. You are abusing the alliance/corporation naming system for cheap morale damage against other paying Eve players and it doesn't look good.
before you get all righteous about how the evil goonies have done so wrong by utterly destroying their enemy u might want to look and see that the same side was attempting to do the same thing at the same time, infact they were even more open about it.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=980800
The fact that this is still on the first page when you are talking about it is rather embarassing though :/
dont throw stones when living in glass houses and what not.
edit: and god dont bring up your CSM time, that just proved how worthless of a PR bit the entire CSM thing was. Take a hint, you were not chosen again in any fashion.
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SK Rooster
Gallente No Trademark
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Originally by: General Windypops This is absolutely class. A 5 page hissyfit tantrum about why they're not taken seriously. It's a delight to see how desperately they crave the attention these days.
A couple of observations as to why you aren't getting any news coverage:
- Camping some stations for a month and getting almost no kills isn't newsworthy. Sorry about that. - You're probably right that more of the volunteers have sympathies with Kenzoku. I reckon that's because BoB and its allies are the kind of people who take a constructive attitude to this game, and who contribute and volunteer to make it a better and more interesting place. That's why they're more popular than you.
If you care so much about that tiny little box you see when you log in, then take five minutes out from copying each others forum memes and write an article. Do something constructive rather than having yet another tantrum.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mo adib Edited by: Mo adib on 18/03/2009 23:17:04
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Totally Slick the idea that anyone at ccp or any one who volunteers for ccp could cheat is just so ridiculous that I won't even acknowledge the possibility that it could happen
I think you are on pretty rocky ground here goonswarm. Since in the eyes of many Eve players your current "squatting" on the Band of Brothers corp name for the purpose of blocking the re-creation of an established player alliance name is something that certainly looks like a breach of the rules and the fact that CCP haven't already forcibly renamed the goonswarm "band of brothers alt corp" to "corporation 112113131331" looks as much as anything like a biased position in your favour...
It is ridiculous that corporation naming can block alliance naming in the first place - but wilfully doing this to cause grief and upset by denying an existing player entity its established in-game identity is something that many consider beyond the pale of reasonable gameplay. By this deed goonswarm directors displayed their intention to remove history from the game and exploit poor game mechanics to do it.
Got to say if I was still on the CSM I'd be for bringing this matter up to CCP as a matter of principle, since I think failing to rectify this situation when there is a past record of impersonation characters and entities being removed is poor form.
So at this point goonswarm complaining about CCP bias is laughable at best. You are abusing the alliance/corporation naming system for cheap morale damage against other paying Eve players and it doesn't look good.
before you get all righteous about how the evil goonies have done so wrong by utterly destroying their enemy u might want to look and see that the same side was attempting to do the same thing at the same time, infact they were even more open about it.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=980800
The fact that this is still on the first page when you are talking about it is rather embarassing though :/
dont throw stones when living in glass houses and what not.
edit: and god dont bring up your CSM time, that just proved how worthless of a PR bit the entire CSM thing was. Take a hint, you were not chosen again in any fashion.
Well not being chosen again might have had something to do with me not running again Unlike some I decided to wait until the issues I'd championed first time around actually got into the game before standing for re-election. (call me old-fashioned like that).
But on the point you raise about that AAA post. I honestly couldn't care less about it. Two wrongs don't make a right. If somebody had stolen the goonswarm name and squatted on it with an alt corp I'd support you guys getting it back. I don't believe the game of Eve should contain the kind of meta-gaming that can deny a group of players the identity they have established by cheaply creating alt-corps to block alliance naming.
On this issue I'm pro fair play and against cheesy game-mechanic exploitation whoever it benefits and whoever it harms. Take it or leave it.
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SK Rooster
Gallente No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani i think you may be mistaking the intentional delegitimation of an outlet for whining but w/e nbd~
it happened to caod and now it seems to be isd's turn
yes please lets take ISD and instead of putting goonswarm effort to try to improve it we will just whine about it until all the volunteers emo rage quit, gg
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/03/2009 23:26:01
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Kenny didn't own the name, and when it was no longer in use, anyone was free to use it.
Thats a poor argument and you know it.
Why then does an alliance that forgets to pay the bill and has a 3rd party "steal" the name in the interim get to petition and recover their name down the road?
You gained the advantage the alliance disbanding allowed you in zero'ing all BOB sovereignty and allowing the conquest of Delve.
Squatting on the Band of Brothers name and using it as an alt corp CAOD spamming entity is just taking the mickey.
If it had been any other alliances than Band of Brothers and Goonswarm involved I strongly suspect this would already have been resolved and the name returned.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
But on the point you raise about that AAA post. I honestly couldn't care less about it. Two wrongs don't make a right. If somebody had stolen the goonswarm name and squatted on it with an alt corp I'd support you guys getting it back. I don't believe the game of Eve should contain the kind of meta-gaming that can deny a group of players the identity they have established by cheaply creating alt-corps to block alliance naming.
On this issue I'm pro fair play and against cheesy game-mechanic exploitation whoever it benefits and whoever it harms. Take it or leave it.
There is no wrong int his game. Things like scamming, harassing and griefing are not only allowed but activelly encouraged. There is nothing remotely resembling fairplay in Eve, even because fairplay is a very hard thing to define.
Metagame has been used by all successful alliances in this game on occasion. Bob before being hit by this very aspect of the game even bragged about their use of it.
Basically you are talking nonsense just because you have emotional problems with goons. That is your problem, mate, but by continuing to spew absurdities here you just make yourself look stupid (even more than you usually do, really) =====
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Twoside
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops (...) It's a delight to see how desperately they crave the attention these days. (...)
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Twoside
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: SK Rooster PS cry more goons, PL and NC
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 18/03/2009 23:35:04
Originally by: Jade Constantine Thats a poor argument and you know it.
Why then does an alliance that forgets to pay the bill and has a 3rd party "steal" the name in the interim get to petition and recover their name down the road?
This alliance didn't forget to pay the bills. It was dissolved by someone that WITHIN game rules was able to do it. From this point on the name is free game. CCP seems to agree with me, considering they let it stay as it is. Basically it does only hurt YOUR distorted sense of ethics. So, again, your problem.
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If it had been any other alliances than Band of Brothers and Goonswarm involved I strongly suspect this would already have been resolved and the name returned.
If the rainbows dropped lollipops I suspect Leprechauns would exist. =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine words
Don't say "you guys" like I am a member or have ever been a member of goonswarm. My corp history is fairly simple and you are free to look it up whenever you like. I have been in both of the current powerblocs and trying to label me as one or the other is a way to dismiss any arguments I make and a sad one at that.
As to your line of argument, if Goonswarm would have spent the billion and just remade an alliance with the band of brothers name you wouldnt have any complaint about it?
Tbh through metagaming that was largely introduced to this game via these people, their name was taken from them without violating any of the EULA, as far as I am concerned goons now own that name.
Also of a side note, that post is made by one alt of Jake Noble(lol apparently ccp dont ban all alt posters) who other then being a former high ranking member in band of brothers and still influential liason to BOB and AAA, so my point in raising the post was that it was infact a GBC post and the irony of them losing their name so recently after such a disgusting attempt and metagaming is a hilarious event of the highest order.
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Reverand Pastor
Caldari DEATHFUNK Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/03/2009 23:26:01
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Kenny didn't own the name, and when it was no longer in use, anyone was free to use it.
Thats a poor argument and you know it.
Why then does an alliance that forgets to pay the bill and has a 3rd party "steal" the name in the interim get to petition and recover their name down the road?
You gained the advantage the alliance disbanding allowed you in zero'ing all BOB sovereignty and allowing the conquest of Delve.
Squatting on the Band of Brothers name and using it as an alt corp CAOD spamming entity is just taking the mickey.
If it had been any other alliances than Band of Brothers and Goonswarm involved I strongly suspect this would already have been resolved and the name returned.
It doesnt take a goon to see how full of crap you are. nobody needs you to whiteknight for them and i hope your a ken alt with the bias you show in every goon thread. even the terrible ones(wich is 90% of them)
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:39:00 -
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mo adib Also of a side note, that post is made by one alt of Jake Noble(lol apparently ccp dont ban all alt posters) who was a former high ranking member in band of brothers and still influential liason to BOB and AAA, so my point in raising the post was that it was infact a GBC post and the irony of them losing their name so recently after such a disgusting attempt and metagaming is a hilarious event of the highest order.
Like I said I don't care who made that post. I'm opposed to squatting on other people's unique entity names regardless of who thinks to do it and who they attempt to do it to. Irony or not, it represents a diminishing of the unique player history of Eve online and I think it just isn't on.
As for goonswarm paying 1b and registering the alliance name I'd still oppose that. (or anybody else doing this).
The only way I think it would be reasonable for goonswarm to get control of the Band of Brothers name is if they managed to subvert enough ceos/directors of alliance and literally kick out everyone else. (This would be pretty damned difficult of course but that hasn't stopped other people managing it in the past).
The snap disband / immediate registration of a corp to block the alliance reforming was a cheap trick whichever way you cut it and its the main reason why this delve campaign is not something that impresses the general population of the server much.
As already pointed out in this thread - ISD news reading "oh yeah we got a guy to click alliance disband and registered another corp name to steal the identity and basically won" - isn't newsworthy or good copy.
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NedFromAssembly
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:51:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/03/2009 23:26:01
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Kenny didn't own the name, and when it was no longer in use, anyone was free to use it.
Thats a poor argument and you know it.
Why then does an alliance that forgets to pay the bill and has a 3rd party "steal" the name in the interim get to petition and recover their name down the road?
You gained the advantage the alliance disbanding allowed you in zero'ing all BOB sovereignty and allowing the conquest of Delve.
Squatting on the Band of Brothers name and using it as an alt corp CAOD spamming entity is just taking the mickey.
If it had been any other alliances than Band of Brothers and Goonswarm involved I strongly suspect this would already have been resolved and the name returned.
You apparently don't realize how many alliance names we have turned into ten man alt corps.
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Panzram
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:53:00 -
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this thread has given me acute hurf poisoning, even that space prostitute tranny is posting now.
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NedFromAssembly
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Panzram this thread has given me acute hurf poisoning, even that space prostitute tranny is posting now.
Yup because when I think 0.0 politics I think Jade Constantine
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Camilo Cienfuegos
Caldari Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:54:00 -
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Get over yourselves. All of you. -
Originally by: The Cuckoo Good luck in defending idiotic and greedy noobs, as far as I'm concerned, you are their champion.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:04:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 00:06:02
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mo adib Also of a side note, that post is made by one alt of Jake Noble(lol apparently ccp dont ban all alt posters) who was a former high ranking member in band of brothers and still influential liason to BOB and AAA, so my point in raising the post was that it was infact a GBC post and the irony of them losing their name so recently after such a disgusting attempt and metagaming is a hilarious event of the highest order.
Like I said I don't care who made that post. I'm opposed to squatting on other people's unique entity names regardless of who thinks to do it and who they attempt to do it to. Irony or not, it represents a diminishing of the unique player history of Eve online and I think it just isn't on.
As for goonswarm paying 1b and registering the alliance name I'd still oppose that. (or anybody else doing this).
The only way I think it would be reasonable for goonswarm to get control of the Band of Brothers name is if they managed to subvert enough ceos/directors of alliance and literally kick out everyone else. (This would be pretty damned difficult of course but that hasn't stopped other people managing it in the past).
The snap disband / immediate registration of a corp to block the alliance reforming was a cheap trick whichever way you cut it and its the main reason why this delve campaign is not something that impresses the general population of the server much.
As already pointed out in this thread - ISD news reading "oh yeah we got a guy to click alliance disband and registered another corp name to steal the identity and basically won" - isn't newsworthy or good copy.
you mean kind of like kicking out all the corps in bob by coercing exactly enough of the high ranking leadership in the alliance to accomplish the task which btw was determined by the type of security bob had and the access they granted to certain members.
what is newsworthy is the betrayal of one of the dominant alliances of the game by one of their higher ups and the destruction of said alliance, or maybe the loss of said alliances entire section of space that had been one of the areas of space in the longest consectuive ownership by a single entity. Or maybe we could even make it newsworthy that said alliance under new name had their entire capital fleet and a number of titan and mothership class vessels trapped in one system for an entire month, I mean surely if undocking said fleet and jumping out of system was newsworthy, then why would it not be newsworthy to report on the fleet being trapped there in the first place, or nay of the previous breakout attempts that ended in utter failure.
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:08:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Mo adib Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 00:06:02
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mo adib Also of a side note, that post is made by one alt of Jake Noble(lol apparently ccp dont ban all alt posters) who was a former high ranking member in band of brothers and still influential liason to BOB and AAA, so my point in raising the post was that it was infact a GBC post and the irony of them losing their name so recently after such a disgusting attempt and metagaming is a hilarious event of the highest order.
Like I said I don't care who made that post. I'm opposed to squatting on other people's unique entity names regardless of who thinks to do it and who they attempt to do it to. Irony or not, it represents a diminishing of the unique player history of Eve online and I think it just isn't on.
As for goonswarm paying 1b and registering the alliance name I'd still oppose that. (or anybody else doing this).
The only way I think it would be reasonable for goonswarm to get control of the Band of Brothers name is if they managed to subvert enough ceos/directors of alliance and literally kick out everyone else. (This would be pretty damned difficult of course but that hasn't stopped other people managing it in the past).
The snap disband / immediate registration of a corp to block the alliance reforming was a cheap trick whichever way you cut it and its the main reason why this delve campaign is not something that impresses the general population of the server much.
As already pointed out in this thread - ISD news reading "oh yeah we got a guy to click alliance disband and registered another corp name to steal the identity and basically won" - isn't newsworthy or good copy.
you mean kind of like kicking out all the corps in bob by coercing exactly enough of the high ranking leadership in the alliance to accomplish the task which btw was determined by the type of security bob had and the access they granted to certain members.
what is newsworthy is the betrayal of one of the dominant alliances of the game by one of their higher ups and the destruction of said alliance, or maybe the loss of said alliances entire section of space that had been one of the areas of space in the longest consectuive ownership by a single entity. Or maybe we could even make it newsworthy that said alliance under new name had their entire capital fleet and a number of titan and mothership class vessels trapped in one system for an entire month, I mean surely if undocking said fleet and jumping out of system was newsworthy, then why would it not be newsworthy to report on the fleet being trapped there in the first place, or nay of the previous breakout attempts that ended in utter failure.
Well then apply to ISD and write those reports.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0 Well then apply to ISD and write those reports.
what and subvert the fair and balanced reporting you guys are putting out now?
articles are already being submitted and ignored, as some have even posted confirming in this very thread, the issue is deeper then the shallow excuse of its to much work.
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:30:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Mo adib
Originally by: Pesadel0 Well then apply to ISD and write those reports.
what and subvert the fair and balanced reporting you guys are putting out now?
articles are already being submitted and ignored, as some have even posted confirming in this very thread, the issue is deeper then the shallow excuse of its to much work.
It is a obvious conspiracy against coalition and in favor of BoB and -A- then .
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:33:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 00:37:19
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Mo adib
Originally by: Pesadel0 Well then apply to ISD and write those reports.
what and subvert the fair and balanced reporting you guys are putting out now?
articles are already being submitted and ignored, as some have even posted confirming in this very thread, the issue is deeper then the shallow excuse of its to much work.
It is a obvious conspiracy against coalition and in favor of BoB and -A- then .
No it is an obvious failure of achieving a stated objective. If they lack the will to achieve the goal of unbiased reporting they set forth then really there is no reason for ISD to exist. In which case it needs to take an idea from Aurora and be gone.
edit: on a side note still going the deny everything because everyone else is a conspiracy nut route has worked so well for you in the past its brave to continue on it, *cough* aurora *cough*, *cough* t20 *cough*, *cough metagaming *cough*, *cough* spys in ts *cough*
you are right though clearly everyone is paranoid cause your group has such a clean history of always playing honestly and not abusing everything under the sun to gain an advantage....
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mo adib
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Mo adib
Originally by: Pesadel0 Well then apply to ISD and write those reports.
what and subvert the fair and balanced reporting you guys are putting out now?
articles are already being submitted and ignored, as some have even posted confirming in this very thread, the issue is deeper then the shallow excuse of its to much work.
It is a obvious conspiracy against coalition and in favor of BoB and -A- then .
No it is an obvious failure of achieving a stated objective. If they lack the will to achieve the goal of unbiased reporting they set forth then really there is no reason for ISD to exist. In which case it needs to take an idea from Aurora and be gone.
I agree lets nuke everything because they werent "neutral" in your perspective .
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
I agree lets nuke everything because they werent "neutral" in your perspective .
quick redefine what I wrote so you can have amunition against it. go go go
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:53:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/03/2009 23:26:01
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Kenny didn't own the name, and when it was no longer in use, anyone was free to use it.
Thats a poor argument and you know it.
Why then does an alliance that forgets to pay the bill and has a 3rd party "steal" the name in the interim get to petition and recover their name down the road?
You gained the advantage the alliance disbanding allowed you in zero'ing all BOB sovereignty and allowing the conquest of Delve.
Squatting on the Band of Brothers name and using it as an alt corp CAOD spamming entity is just taking the mickey.
If it had been any other alliances than Band of Brothers and Goonswarm involved I strongly suspect this would already have been resolved and the name returned.
CCP does not protect idiots , or else then every person who got scammed should file for a full refund . Deal with it .
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:54:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Mo adib
Originally by: Pesadel0
I agree lets nuke everything because they werent "neutral" in your perspective .
quick redefine what I wrote so you can have amunition against it. go go go
Well i can always say that the story of your expulsion from your old alliance had more substance than our battle in 49- ,not substance,but definitely more humor.It sure was a first getting kicked from an alliance because some alts on caod mailed the leaearship that your corp were going rogue.
I can see it know the tittle :"First ever CAOD Alt corp wreaks **** in drone regions"
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel CCP does not protect idiots , or else then every person who got scammed should file for a full refund . Deal with it .
Then I guess its fair to say that CCP does not protect Goonswarm from being pretty poor at propaganda and failing to submit appropriate news leads either right?
Deal with it.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:58:00 -
[197]
Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:00:12
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Mo adib
Originally by: Pesadel0
I agree lets nuke everything because they werent "neutral" in your perspective .
quick redefine what I wrote so you can have amunition against it. go go go
Well i can always say that the story of your expulsion from your old alliance had more substance than our battle in 49- ,not substance,but definitely more humor.It sure was a first getting kicked from an alliance because some alts on caod mailed the leaearship that your corp were going rogue.
I can see it know the tittle :"First ever CAOD Alt corp wreaks **** in drone regions"
In this subject we are in agreement, I also think it is damn hilarious how all that went down. Had it made the news I would have laughed harder even. The hard part about that being news however is that it is so unbelievable had it not happened to me I might not believe it :/
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel CCP does not protect idiots , or else then every person who got scammed should file for a full refund . Deal with it .
Then I guess its fair to say that CCP does not protect Goonswarm from being pretty poor at propaganda and failing to submit appropriate news leads either right?
Deal with it.
Biased news reporting != Scam or game mechanics .
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Biased news reporting != Scam or game mechanics .
Whats biased about following up good leads but not following up bad leads?
You guys are very quick to whine about things when something goes against you. Is it so hard to believe that you are simply worse at propaganda news than your opponents?
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:06:00 -
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You do know that aurora or what not had bobbits , right ? So what makes em bias proof .
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:13:00 -
[201]
Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:18:16
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Biased news reporting != Scam or game mechanics .
Whats biased about following up good leads but not following up bad leads?
You guys are very quick to whine about things when something goes against you. Is it so hard to believe that you are simply worse at propaganda news than your opponents?
worst = not exploiting a neutral(Fair and Balanced CCP regulated news reporting group
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damn goonies havent sunk low enough yet jade needs you lower.
edit: fixed
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel You do know that aurora or what not had bobbits , right ? So what makes em bias proof .
And I know that CCP told us that goons had more volunteers devs gms and whatnot than bob had. Random rabble rabble is not proof.
And I also know how the in-game news process works having managed to get Star Fraction in the news more times than goons and their allies have done so far
Its not sorcery and its not rocket-science. It does take the ability to click "submit news lead" and provide the seed of the story, opportunity for journalism and suggestions for other participants to interview so the reporter can present a balanced case.
ISD don't like canned narratives or closed conclusions. Maybe thats where you are going wrong?
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SSDD24
Gallente THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: SSDD24 on 19/03/2009 01:21:10 Few days ago thanks to Jennifer1 from Arcane i had a revelation. All men that roleplay women in internet spaceships have to roleplay PMS at some point to feel their character complete.
I think Jade just reached that time of the month.
Regarding topic i think there where alot better subjects that didnt get on the news. Honestly i dont give a damn if its biased or not but poor work is poor and somebody needs to learn or go.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel You do know that aurora or what not had bobbits , right ? So what makes em bias proof .
And I know that CCP told us that goons had more volunteers devs gms and whatnot than bob had. Random rabble rabble is not proof.
And I also know how the in-game news process works having managed to get Star Fraction in the news more times than goons and their allies have done so far
Its not sorcery and its not rocket-science. It does take the ability to click "submit news lead" and provide the seed of the story, opportunity for journalism and suggestions for other participants to interview so the reporter can present a balanced case.
ISD don't like canned narratives or closed conclusions. Maybe thats where you are going wrong?
So that is where Blazde went wrong on page 5 of this thread.... try again, keep the excuse mil running maybe eventually you will draw one up that cant be easily countered in 20 seconds of browsing the very thread you are posting in.
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isqander
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
And I know that CCP told us that goons had more volunteers devs gms and whatnot than bob had. Random rabble rabble is not proof.
And I also know how the in-game news process works having managed to get Star Fraction in the news more times than goons and their allies have done so far
They said that after mass-censorship failed and the same post said they were creating some mysterious internal affairs department which was never heard from again until it was supposedly disbanded. "CCP told us" is not proof. And the fact that whatever corp you run gets any attention is proof that the current system is broken.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:25:00 -
[206]
Originally by: isqander And the fact that whatever corp you run gets any attention is proof that the current system is broken.
The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda is not proof of anything being broken. Ultimately it doesn't matter if you have 5000 members and camped a station for a month if none of your directors or representatives are capable of submitting a valid news lead.
If you want to make an impact you have to sell yourselves properly
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:33:00 -
[207]
Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:35:32
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: isqander And the fact that whatever corp you run gets any attention is proof that the current system is broken.
The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda is not proof of anything being broken. Ultimately it doesn't matter if you have 5000 members and camped a station for a month if none of your directors or representatives are capable of submitting a valid news lead.
If you want to make an impact you have to sell yourselves properly
I would like to thank you jade for your part in keeping this issue current and at the top of the forums, you are doing a great deed in helping people to see the injustice of the current ISD propaganda machine and the people thank you for your service.
edit: also insert joke about you mentioning selling yourself properly and rping being a tranny prostitute. ahh internet irony never gets old.
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Commander Tigre
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:36:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: isqander
... blah blah blah...
If you want to make an impact you have to sell yourselves properly
I see you are 'selling' yourself and Star Fraction quite well these days.
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BobFromBoB
Gallente Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:37:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: isqander And the fact that whatever corp you run gets any attention is proof that the current system is broken.
The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda is not proof of anything being broken. Ultimately it doesn't matter if you have 5000 members and camped a station for a month if none of your directors or representatives are capable of submitting a valid news lead.
If you want to make an impact you have to sell yourselves properly
You forgot t1 ships insutling dead RL players and our dishonourable metagaming
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:38:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Mo adib I would like to thank you jade for your part in keeping this issue current and at the top of the forums...
Its an important issue really. Every so often in Eve online some alliance or another thinks to attack ISD news on the allegation of perceived "bias" its generally always revealed as sour grapes and inability to use the "submit news lead" button correctly.
On this thread we've already seen a senior goon confirming that this current anti ISD campaign is just a organized campaign of wrecking to follow on the from the organized anti-CAOD campaign of the month before.
No mystery here.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:40:00 -
[211]
Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:44:03
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mo adib I would like to thank you jade for your part in keeping this issue current and at the top of the forums...
Its an important issue really. Every so often in Eve online some alliance or another thinks to attack ISD news on the allegation of perceived "bias" its generally always revealed as sour grapes and inability to use the "submit news lead" button correctly.
On this thread we've already seen a senior goon confirming that this current anti ISD campaign is just a organized campaign of wrecking to follow on the from the organized anti-CAOD campaign of the month before.
No mystery here.
it must be pretty awesome to read whatever you want to see from anything that is written down. How did you learn to do such a nifty trick?
edit: but oh wait that is right there are actually quite a few in this thread not from goons and some not even related to goons (which is an accomplishment because apparently they napped all of eve rite?) that are upset over the horrible job that is being done and the lame excuses being given for why it was handled so poorly.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:46:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Mo adib edit: but oh wait that is right there are actually quite a few in this thread not from goons and some not even related to goons (which is an accomplishment because apparently they napped all of eve rite?) that are upset over the horrible job that is being done and the lame excuses being given for why it was handled so poorly.
You do release that its possible for people to click on your portrait and see your posting history right?
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:48:00 -
[213]
Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:50:02 you do realize it is possible to talk about more people then ourselves? I mean I know its a stretch for you that there exists a world outside of your ego, but trust me its there.
strangely enough some of them even replied to you in this thread although you promptly ignored them, most likely because they dont fit into your fantasy world....
edit:
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:55:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Mo adib ... although you promptly ignored them.
I've replied where I see fit to do so and make the argument I wanted to make. I tend to ignore irrelevant points and outright incivility. Heh, surely you don't expect a person to reply to every single member of goonswarm - that would be a full time job!
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ChalSto
Gallente LOCKDOWN. Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:57:00 -
[215]
EvE is no petting zoo.
If you are not strong enough, it will eat you alive and kick your butt. Originally by: Agmar ----------------------------------------------- "The North is so ghey that even the NPCs fly ravens." |
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CCP Mitnal
Minmatar C C P
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:57:00 -
[216]
Cleaned.
Off-topic posts removed.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email |
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:03:00 -
[217]
I was taing more about the completely unrelated to goonswarm posters that have posted upset about the ISD problem and even responded to your threads tearing apart your points.
I could go on but your most recent post hits my point square on the head, you have tunnel vision for goons and getting righteous about ISD's unbiased reporting (which a blind man can see is about as biased as it gets) is your way of keeping up your goon hatred.
I dont know what they did to make you hate them so much, and I dont really care, because that is your problem.
What I do care about is a ccp backed news entity being utilized as a propaganda machine for select groups in game.
the major difference between a news reporting organization and a propaganda machine is that a propaganda machine chooses what to report and what ot supress.
This thread is filled with allegations and some evidence that ISD is in fact a propaganda machine, and the official ISD response to that is that they are understaffed. This response however is about as flacid as it gets, it can maybe explain the lack of news articles over certain time periods, it cannot however explain the content of the stories that are chosen to be reported on when ISD decides to put a piece out there.
Try and write this argument off as a goon offensive on ccp or whatever you think it is, but this is just a statement of facts as I have observed them and apparently others share my analysis of the situation.
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cycosis
Gallente Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:03:00 -
[218]
Edited by: cycosis on 19/03/2009 02:03:31 Does anyone even know how many reporters ISD has? I've only seen a handful of names making reports. I'd imagine keeping tabs on hundreds of alliances would be difficult without news tips being called in.
Tbh, I really just read the news because it's entertaining. I guess I don't see a bias since I'm not on either side of the conflict. Why are people so wound up about this stuff? In the end, it's all "fake" news anyway since it's just internet spaceships.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:20:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Mo adib Try and write this argument off as a goon offensive on ccp or whatever you think it is ...
Originally by: The Mittani i think you may be mistaking the intentional delegitimation of an outlet for whining but w/e nbd~ it happened to caod and now it seems to be isd's turn
Enough said really.
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BobFromBoB
Gallente Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:37:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mo adib Try and write this argument off as a goon offensive on ccp or whatever you think it is ...
Originally by: The Mittani i think you may be mistaking the intentional delegitimation of an outlet for whining but w/e nbd~ it happened to caod and now it seems to be isd's turn
Enough said really.
I think you post in a vain attempt to convince yourself you matter
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Jacob Majestic
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:46:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
ISD don't like canned narratives or closed conclusions. Maybe thats where you are going wrong?
Why look if it isn't Jade ****poster, who can always be counted on to **** up any goon thread.
To determine if you should actually be posting in this thread, please fill out the following questionnaire:
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Are you not so starved for attention that you hitch yourself to any goon bandwagon in some desperate cry for attention? oYES oNO
Is your posting relevant to the topic in question? oYES oNO
Has your alliance been relevant any time within the last 24 months? oYES oNO
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If you can answer YES to at least two out of these three questions, congratulations, you should be posting! However, in your case Jade, sorry, I don't think you qualify. ___
Originally by: steamy thank you Hippoking for doing a Jacob on the goons
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Cletus Graeme
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:53:00 -
[222]
Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 19/03/2009 02:56:30
ISD has always been a complete joke as an impartial news reporting service. Making excuses about the lack of staff etc to explain their poor coverage of events is absolute rubbish. If you're going to do a job then do it right or don't bother to do it at all.
It's obvious to outsiders such as myself that the news they provide is both selective and biased. You only have to compare the reports with those from other EVE fan sites to see just how skewed their stories are.
The EvE Tribune is just one example of an excellent EvE site that does a far better job of reporting EvE news on a weekly basis. If you really want to know what is happening in EvE then I would encourage you to give it a try. ISD have already proven that they're more interested in attention grabbing headlines than accurate, impartial journalism.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:58:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Mo adib ... goons, who are putting up a legitimate grievance against ISD.
Originally by: The Mittani i think you may be mistaking the intentional delegitimation of an outlet for whining but w/e nbd~ it happened to caod and now it seems to be isd's turn
Do you understand what is meant by "intentional delegitimation" in this context?
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.19 03:19:00 -
[224]
That one was a little obvious even for you Jade but it did make me smile and you troll with balls I'll give you that As long as I'm stuck reading this thread now the entertainment is appreciated. _
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 03:38:00 -
[225]
Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 03:40:30 and my response was that just because goons are trying to delegitimize an organization that I have a legitimate grievance with does not mean my grievance is not legitimate, and that goes for all the other non goons and goons that view this as a real grievance.....
infact I might even go so far as to say that it is very acceptable for someone to attempt to show how illegitimate an organization is if they perceive it that way.
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 03:58:00 -
[226]
man this is a great thread
i just want you all to know that mittens as a species have nothing but the highest respect for isd and for clarity brown in particular~~~
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:03:00 -
[227]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/03/2009 04:06:18
Originally by: Mo adib ... and my response was that just because goons are trying to delegitimize an organization ...
And you think its acceptable for players of an online game to attack the legitimacy of the organizer's official news source and make unfounded accusations of "bias" because that special group of players feel they haven't received enough spontaneous praise?
Really?
Whatever happened to respecting the referee and having a bit of faith in people doing a decent job.
Thus far the CSM has had 18 players who have visited CCP headquarters in Iceland and met these guys face to face and come away with the strong impression that they were doing a good job and were running this game in a fair and balanced fashion.
I've met these people and I'm telling you that things are open and above board and I've told you on this very thread exactly how you can get news pieces published.
And yet you'd still rather believe its all some terrible conspiracy against the goons and yet again you are the slighted party because absolutely everything hasn't gone precisely your own way.
The reality is simply that you haven't submitted your news leads properly. Everyone else in the game has to use this mechanism - just expecting ISD to do the work for you and making goonswarm a special case is your problem not CCP's.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:10:00 -
[228]
welp
yep thats right put words in my mouth, its ok eventually you will have an argument in this thread that doesnt get shot down.
I am saying if there is a perceived bias or iligitimacy I see nothing wrong with them bringing that to light, I dont think that this company has a history of being innocent of such things and in this case there is evidence to support the accusations which has been responded to with irrelevant facts about them being understaffed, in effect deflecting the accusations.
However seeing as this thread has now reached 8 pages and you are beginning to bore me I think ill call it a day and let others take the torch
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:22:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Mo adib its ok eventually you will have an argument in this thread that doesnt get shot down.
Well you guys haven't managed it yet
Quote: ... in this case there is evidence to support the accusations ...
Except there isn't.
Quote: However seeing as this thread has now reached 8 pages and you are beginning to bore me I think ill call it a day and let others take the torch
Well, its livened up some long-range hauling for me so you've not entirely wasted your time. ta ta!
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:51:00 -
[230]
the evidence is in this very thread, look hard you may find it.
you are still saying you guys like I am a goon when that is not the case nor has it ever been. but keep trying an ad hominem to get out of this one, maybe it will work sometime.
and just as it has been helping to liven up your hauling trip, it has been helping to ensure that every person on caod reads the first page of this post and about the problems with ISD, most dont make it 5 pages in to read the drible you are spewing.
so o/ \o job well done.
you can shorten your posts alot by just typing TTT though
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 05:07:00 -
[231]
As a totally complete random aside, the EVE Tribune is looking for more reporters--such as, oh, Delve war correspondents--for interviews with alliance directors involved in the conflict, and, as always, for donations.
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Petar Quaresma
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:14:00 -
[232]
I'll report for your dumprag of a news organization so long as you promise not to restrict me artistically. I should be allowed to use any images or language I wish. Speak to me in game if you submit to my demands.
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:27:00 -
[233]
EVE Tribune does deserve a lot of props, it must be said. I'm amazed you guys are still going after all these years considering you come in a little under the radar (or maybe this is actually why you've suceeded). Not every individual article is unbiased but when it comes to breadth of reporting or ability to collect basic facts (without requiring leads) you just plain show ISD Correspondents how it's done.
Honestly I have a lot of sympathy for ISD news because it's never really worked at alliance reporting yet every year or so they try a big reform, recruit some people and tweak the style, but a few months down the line visibly end up lacking manpower again. As I said above I don't think it's riddled with actual BoB members, it just seems to attract people who go all starry eyed when the infamous BoB contacts them and end up getting used. The dilemna for people like me volunteering to be a correspondent is that while we're experienced in 0.0 conflicts and would know how to get to the bottom of a story and cut through the propoganda, we're also very firmly attached to one side of most major conflicts. I couldn't bring myself to write about Ken's achievements but equally I don't want to write biased pro-RAWR/NC material either because it just makes our side look stupid and does nothing to solve ISD news bias. So it's not as simple as "Hey if you don't like it why don't you volunteer".
The people who are untainted by bias, by and large, are that way because they haven't yet immersed themselves in 0.0 politics and hence don't make good reporters either. There are exceptions, EVE Tribune manages to recruit some. I'm sure ISD news manages to recruit the odd decent unbiased reporter once in a while too but somehow fails ever to retain them.
I don't know EVE Tribune's stance on independence and so on but ISD could to a lot worse than just outsourcing their 0.0 reporting to you, or pooling resources and putting your news on the front page. In a similar way to how EVE Radio gets a bit of official endorsement. It'd be a big step in a questionable direction but not completely unprecedented. At least maybe you could try to help them out somehow, if possible without worsening your own manpower issues *shrug* _
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Cal Hydar
Caldari DAB PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:36:00 -
[234]
CAPS SO MAYBE SOMEONE WILL READ THE LINK
Quote: The War so Far
The war began when the CONCORD-registered Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded by a director, Arkannen, who defected to the alliance's enemy, GoonSwarm.
The member corporations of Band of Brothers reformed in KenZoku, previously an industrial alliance for Reikoku-affilliated corporations. Their previous Province and Capital sovereignties in the region were lost, but KenZoku was able to make a territorial sovereignty claim to systems formerly claimed under the Band of Brothers identity.
KenZoku's old enemies - GoonSwarm, Pandemic Legion and the Northern Coalition's RAZOR Alliance and Morsus Mihi - launched a full-scale invasion of the region, intending to conquer it before full sovereignty over the area could be restored.
The forces allied against KenZoku have attempted to confine most of the defender's forces into a Blood Raider Covenant station in PR-8CA and maintain a continual heavy guard in the system, while the rest of the attacking forces focus on removing the defending alliance's control towers.
Meanwhile, KenZoku's allies Against ALL Authorities are attacking the former home territories of GoonSwarm alongside C0ven and Stain Empire. GoonSwarm state that they have abandoned these systems for the time being and, it is claimed, will reconquer them once Delve has fallen.
To date, KenZoku has lost its sovereignty claims in 44 systems, though it then reclaimed two, while sufficient towers have survived to claim Protectorate sovereignty in some 70 systems in Catch, Delve, Querious, Detorid and Period Basis.
Quote: Dining in NOL
In particular, the outpost in NOL-M9 has assumed a symbolic importance in the conflict. It is widely rumoured that Goonswarm once vowed to dine in NOL-M9, the site of Band of Brother's outpost, The Alamo. (Ownership of the outpost passed to KenZoku and is currently with Pandemic Legion, who renamed it "The Lmao.")
XxAngelxX is CEO of The Illuminati, a Pandemic Legion corporation spoke about the conquest:
"We took it the first day that [sovereignty] dropped, then [KenZoku] retook it but we expect to have it back in about a week. We've had more important things to do than NOL-M9 recently.
"Pandemic Legion itself has / is in the process of taking FinFleet's sovereignty 4 constellation. We took the first station today in 5-6QW7. As for other sovereignty 4 constellations, I believe [GoonSwarm] and [the Northern Coalition] are well on their way with those too."
Since this interview, Pandemic Legion has completed both these objectives, holding both NOL-M9 and the 1-A81R constellation. XxAngelxX continued:
"There really has been little resistance. One of the major parts of this has been the 23/7 perma camp in PR-8CA which was well known to be [KenZoku's]... staging [area] and where they told GBC to regroup to, too.
"With their assets and ships locked in station, titans [caged] in their POS and massive issues with security, we haven't really seen much fight from them in the last couple of days. We've destroyed [approximately] 50 large POS in station systems in the last 2 days without resistance.
"At the moment, it's hardly a war. We'll see if [KenZoku] actually have a strategic plan after [Against ALL Authorities] finish with [the] old [GoonSwarm] space, but right now we are taking this space like no-one ever lived in it....the only battles we have had are ganking Shrike, ganking Waagaa's aeon and ganking an [Axiom Empire] aeon last night."
ISD has earned a rep in the past for being bias, but honestly, they have covered this all fairly well. You can't honestly expect ISD to document EVERY POS you take down. They hit the important stuff, so get off their back. -------- sig here |
Cal Hydar
Caldari DAB PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:38:00 -
[235]
Edited by: Cal Hydar on 19/03/2009 06:38:06 OSHI-
double post >< -------- sig here |
Jamin Berry
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:38:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Jade Constantine The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda...
why yes goonies are terrible at propaganda
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:05:00 -
[237]
Edited by: Miyamoto Isoruku on 19/03/2009 07:06:59 ISD's job is tough because they have to be "official". The Trib has it a lot easier, since if you don't like something we publish or you think it's biased, you can go ahead and write up a response and talk to Mr. M about it and there's a good chance it'll get published and you'll get ISKies for it. So I would give the ISD guys a little slack.
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Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:23:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Jade Constantine The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda...
How are we bad a public relations when we have 99% of EVE napped?
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cpu939
Gallente OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2009.03.19 08:45:00 -
[239]
ok i have read all 8 pages and yes its late and i have been up all night (my time is gmt)
option 1 i think the easy way to sort this is to close isd down allow caod to be the place for news. where we the member of this game get to tell the news thus it will not be bias at all.
option 2 i think this would be the hard way, -but for every large event in eve isd to send two reports out one to each side thus it could never be bias as we would have the story from both sides.
btw i like option 2 it could make for some great reading.
lets take number 3 from the ops list (storys are just made up as a guildline and very short)
Goonswarm side Goonswarm and allis have been able to keep the camp of the station in delve for over a month ever since the former alliance know as bob was closed, now from my point of view i don't think bob could undock ships with out lossing them, this is one of the best camps i have scene in the game so far the fleet member know it is a long and dul job but at the same time they know that this will help to win the war
Kenzoku side Kenzoku after being camped in to a station in delve for some time now has take the option to fight back there Fleet commander had them undock in the the warp bubble knowing they could not warp but might be able to do some damage to the hostile fleet. from what i can see they would have great delight in the order to undock as the game is not one of station spinning but of great fights this could be one of the storys to go down in history only time will tell if it was worth the fight.
ok not the best storys ever but you can see how it could work i hope. 01101111 01100110 01100110 01100010 01100101 01100001 01110100 00100000 01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 |
Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.19 09:40:00 -
[240]
I juzt wanted to post here az I waz flying through space and the waaaaa meter pegged, so I came to check out the source of the problemz. I see many tearz of rage and fruztration. Back to shooting for me, muzt take more ISKz.
MSC eht ot etadidnac P&C suopmoP niatpaC rof etoV |
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Two Beans
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:44:00 -
[241]
Edited by: Two Beans on 19/03/2009 10:45:23
I see the make-believe transvestite internet man-w***e is posting again. Tell me, what news has Star Tractor or whatever the hell you call it made recently? _____________ His Royal Highness King Two Beans King of CAOD
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:59:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Thus far the CSM has had 18 players who have visited CCP headquarters in Iceland and met these guys face to face and come away with the strong impression that they were doing a good job and were running this game in a fair and balanced fashion.
1st there is less then 18 players cause few are in CSM for the 2nd time. :D 2nd as long as I really bow to CCP for making EVE such a outstanding experience, I highly disagree with certain politics/policies of CCP which I stated on this forums in several occasions and to them personaly aswell.
I would be a hypocrit aswell if I dont point that they are improving a lot (I was amazed with CCP approach and way they handled POS exploit issue) but they still suck bigtime in certain subjects. But at the end thats why CSM exists.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.19 11:34:00 -
[243]
camping a station is such a epic thing to do
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Al'Htaed
Minmatar Hug Nutz
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:07:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Lilan Kahn camping a station is such a epic thing to do
You mean, taking two regions while defender is camped in a station unable to defend their towers? Much more epic then undocking from the said station which got reported.
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Shikome Alluin
Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:15:00 -
[245]
Edited by: Shikome Alluin on 19/03/2009 12:17:13
Originally by: Jade Constantine faith in people doing a decent job
Nothing wrong in having faith in people, but sometimes it is proper to question the questionable actions of said people.
Originally by: Jade Constantine I've met these people and I'm telling you
You, as in "the Jade Constantine" have met these people and insure us "everything is above board". But you as "the Jade Constantine" is an outspoken anti-Goonswarm member, thus this can and should be taken as spin. (not that you met, but that it is above board)
Originally by: Jade Constantine believe its all some terrible conspiracy against the goons
The conspiracy theory is not against Goonswarm, it¦s that ISD¦s news reports in favour of the GBC (GkC).
Originally by: Jade Constantine The reality is simply that you haven't submitted your news leads properly. Everyone else in the game has to use this mechanism
Yea, because ISD only works of submitted news leads...
If you feel any of this is incorrect, please feel free to write allot of your well formatted words in response: - Aloha mr Hand |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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I think hell has just frozen over - I find myself both in agreement with Jade Constantine and in disagreement with a CVA member.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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ISD Serathu Ashk
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:34:00 -
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I just need to make a small point here; The Interstellar Correspondents (IC) is a division of ISD, an organisation that has four other divisions that have nothing to do with writing player news.
If you are unhappy with the player news, please direct your complaint at IC, not at ISD as a whole - the volunteers in other divisions shouldn't be brought into this as their work is unrelated.
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Shikome Alluin
Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake I think hell has just frozen over - I find myself both in agreement with Jade Constantine and in disagreement with a CVA member.
How so? I am not posting in a capacity of CVA nor Genco. I just think Jade is spinning (although beautifully) just as fast as Goons. And I personally think the henceforth named "IC" is favourable towards the GkC, be it intentional or bad luck ;)
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Totally Slick on 19/03/2009 16:38:06
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk I just need to make a small point here; The Interstellar Correspondents (IC) is a division of ISD, an organisation that has four other divisions that have nothing to do with writing player news.
If you are unhappy with the player news, please direct your complaint at IC, not at ISD as a whole - the volunteers in other divisions shouldn't be brought into this as their work is unrelated.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Totally Slick Edited by: Totally Slick on 19/03/2009 16:38:06
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk I just need to make a small point here; The Interstellar Correspondents (IC) is a division of ISD, an organisation that has four other divisions that have nothing to do with writing player news.
If you are unhappy with the player news, please direct your complaint at IC, not at ISD as a whole - the volunteers in other divisions shouldn't be brought into this as their work is unrelated.
Are you saying that ISD isn't taking responsibility for this?
ISD is larger than just the IC. It also includes the guys who moderate the rookie help channel. You taking them to task for being biased too?
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Darth Syphils
Amarr Noshikkan Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.03.19 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cal Hydar CAPS SO MAYBE SOMEONE WILL READ THE LINK
Quote: The War so Far
The war began when the CONCORD-registered Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded by a director, Arkannen, who defected to the alliance's enemy, GoonSwarm.
The member corporations of Band of Brothers reformed in KenZoku, previously an industrial alliance for Reikoku-affilliated corporations. Their previous Province and Capital sovereignties in the region were lost, but KenZoku was able to make a territorial sovereignty claim to systems formerly claimed under the Band of Brothers identity.
KenZoku's old enemies - GoonSwarm, Pandemic Legion and the Northern Coalition's RAZOR Alliance and Morsus Mihi - launched a full-scale invasion of the region, intending to conquer it before full sovereignty over the area could be restored.
The forces allied against KenZoku have attempted to confine most of the defender's forces into a Blood Raider Covenant station in PR-8CA and maintain a continual heavy guard in the system, while the rest of the attacking forces focus on removing the defending alliance's control towers.
Meanwhile, KenZoku's allies Against ALL Authorities are attacking the former home territories of GoonSwarm alongside C0ven and Stain Empire. GoonSwarm state that they have abandoned these systems for the time being and, it is claimed, will reconquer them once Delve has fallen.
To date, KenZoku has lost its sovereignty claims in 44 systems, though it then reclaimed two, while sufficient towers have survived to claim Protectorate sovereignty in some 70 systems in Catch, Delve, Querious, Detorid and Period Basis.
Quote: Dining in NOL
In particular, the outpost in NOL-M9 has assumed a symbolic importance in the conflict. It is widely rumoured that Goonswarm once vowed to dine in NOL-M9, the site of Band of Brother's outpost, The Alamo. (Ownership of the outpost passed to KenZoku and is currently with Pandemic Legion, who renamed it "The Lmao.")
XxAngelxX is CEO of The Illuminati, a Pandemic Legion corporation spoke about the conquest:
"We took it the first day that [sovereignty] dropped, then [KenZoku] retook it but we expect to have it back in about a week. We've had more important things to do than NOL-M9 recently.
"Pandemic Legion itself has / is in the process of taking FinFleet's sovereignty 4 constellation. We took the first station today in 5-6QW7. As for other sovereignty 4 constellations, I believe [GoonSwarm] and [the Northern Coalition] are well on their way with those too."
Since this interview, Pandemic Legion has completed both these objectives, holding both NOL-M9 and the 1-A81R constellation. XxAngelxX continued:
"There really has been little resistance. One of the major parts of this has been the 23/7 perma camp in PR-8CA which was well known to be [KenZoku's]... staging [area] and where they told GBC to regroup to, too.
"With their assets and ships locked in station, titans [caged] in their POS and massive issues with security, we haven't really seen much fight from them in the last couple of days. We've destroyed [approximately] 50 large POS in station systems in the last 2 days without resistance.
"At the moment, it's hardly a war. We'll see if [KenZoku] actually have a strategic plan after [Against ALL Authorities] finish with [the] old [GoonSwarm] space, but right now we are taking this space like no-one ever lived in it....the only battles we have had are ganking Shrike, ganking Waagaa's aeon and ganking an [Axiom Empire] aeon last night."
ISD has earned a rep in the past for being bias, but honestly, they have covered this all fairly well. You can't honestly expect ISD to document EVERY POS you take down. They hit the important stuff, so get off their back.
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cpu939
Gallente OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2009.03.19 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Totally Slick Edited by: Totally Slick on 19/03/2009 16:38:06
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk I just need to make a small point here; The Interstellar Correspondents (IC) is a division of ISD, an organisation that has four other divisions that have nothing to do with writing player news.
If you are unhappy with the player news, please direct your complaint at IC, not at ISD as a whole - the volunteers in other divisions shouldn't be brought into this as their work is unrelated.
Are you saying that ISD isn't taking responsibility for this?
ISD is larger than just the IC. It also includes the guys who moderate the rookie help channel. You taking them to task for being biased too?
ican just see it now
rookie - so what the best thing to do in this game moderate - kill goonswarm they are the evil of teh game and you must side on the right path and join forces with kenzoku rookie - why are they evil moderate - cos we say so
but really the guys that moderate the rookie chat do a great job and we should be thankful to them, for they have to reply to the same questions day after day and stops us getting it day after day. 01101111 01100110 01100110 01100010 01100101 01100001 01110100 00100000 01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 |
Palmer Eldritch
Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 19/03/2009 22:03:56
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I think you are on pretty rocky ground here goonswarm. Since in the eyes of many Eve players your current "squatting" on the Band of Brothers corp name for the purpose of blocking the re-creation of an established player alliance name is something that certainly looks like a breach of the rules and the fact that CCP haven't already forcibly renamed the goonswarm "band of brothers alt corp" to "corporation 112113131331" looks as much as anything like a biased position in your favour...
It is ridiculous that corporation naming can block alliance naming in the first place - but wilfully doing this to cause grief and upset by denying an existing player entity its established in-game identity is something that many consider beyond the pale of reasonable gameplay. By this deed goonswarm directors displayed their intention to remove history from the game and exploit poor game mechanics to do it.
Got to say if I was still on the CSM I'd be for bringing this matter up to CCP as a matter of principle, since I think failing to rectify this situation when there is a past record of impersonation characters and entities being removed is poor form.
What?
If you don't think the CSMs are doing their job properly, stand for election and contribute yourself.
Coming here and slagging off the CSMs . . . goddam.
They're volunteers and they do what they do for no reward. I'm not saying they're perfect, but who is?
It's about having a bit of respect for your fellow players, Jade. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point |
Jonis Sinmaker
Amarr Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.19 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/03/2009 04:06:18
Originally by: Mo adib ... and my response was that just because goons are trying to delegitimize an organization ...
And you think its acceptable for players of an online game to attack the legitimacy of the organizer's official news source and make unfounded accusations of "bias" because that special group of players feel they haven't received enough spontaneous praise?
Really?
Whatever happened to respecting the referee and having a bit of faith in people doing a decent job.
Thus far the CSM has had 18 players who have visited CCP headquarters in Iceland and met these guys face to face and come away with the strong impression that they were doing a good job and were running this game in a fair and balanced fashion.
I've met these people and I'm telling you that things are open and above board and I've told you on this very thread exactly how you can get news pieces published.
And yet you'd still rather believe its all some terrible conspiracy against the goons and yet again you are the slighted party because absolutely everything hasn't gone precisely your own way.
The reality is simply that you haven't submitted your news leads properly. Everyone else in the game has to use this mechanism - just expecting ISD to do the work for you and making goonswarm a special case is your problem not CCP's.
It must be close to CSM election ... go team go. I'm voting for pedro...less rhetoric and more factual evidence with his campaigns. -------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
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Kaaii
Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Venomire
Originally by: Jade Constantine The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda...
How are we bad a public relations when we have 99% of EVE napped?
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At a circus, nobody would boo the clown...
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
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Lunas Feelgood
Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Venomire
Originally by: Jade Constantine The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda...
How are we bad a public relations when we have 99% of EVE napped?
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At a circus, nobody would boo the clown...
Thats not correct I have been booing bob since like forever
Originally by: Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history
Originally by: BOB
"I played EVE for 5 years and all I got left is crappy forum alts"..
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Gefex
Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.20 00:09:00 -
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I too found the quality of the news to be pretty distasteful.
BOB DISBANDED! ... ... ... BOB FIGHTS BACK!!
Hardly impartial
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.20 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 20/03/2009 00:27:14
Originally by: Gefex I too found the quality of the news to be pretty distasteful.
BOB DISBANDED! ... ... ... BOB FIGHTS BACK!!
Hardly impartial
Well it's not really BOB (or Kenny) fighting back, so they got that bit wrong.
Expecting news report from ISD as to how Kenny killed 1 POS after one week of fighting. (again not really Kenny, but the meat shield)
Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
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Berneh
Gallente Freelance Economics Astrological resources SIRRIUS.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 03:54:00 -
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I dont mean to sound like an ars3 but did the ec- camp make headlines when ascn and bob locked it down and took the outpost ?
i was in ascn at the time but dont remember, if it did (when we held the system for a weekend as far i remember) shouldnt the month long siege of that delve system been reported too because it was well a month ?
i'm not biased and totally impartial, just saying thats all.
ps woop Berneh is back o/
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Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii At a circus, nobody would boo the clown...
Never been to Philly have you? Hell son, we boo Santa.
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Easley Thames
Gallente The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.20 07:46:00 -
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My experience with ISD is that the reporters often contact the people they know in-game and get too drawn into writing about the alliances where they have pre-existing contacts. I experienced this phenomenon in IAC.
I remember 2 relatively minor and 1 justifiably news-worthy IAC-related events being documented by ISD when a certain person was being contacted routinely by ISD for quotes and status updates. After this individual left the alliance, despite larger developments (including the collapse of what was a well-known sov-holding alliance pre-dating BoB) there was suddenly nothing to report on in Catch.
However, this could all be due to a shortage of volunteers, a problem shared by non-official eve journalists. I've noticed that Eve Tribune, as an example, seems to have a lack of diversity in its coverage as well, although they do actually report on the front-page, earth-shattering events when at times ISD seems to be playing a different game entirely. Part of ISD's problem is that it has to report on fictional in-game stories for "flavor" and roleplay-fodder, but there also seems to be a sense of disconnection at times. It would be interesting to go back and compare ISD reports to the biggest events of 2008.
Let me say that I really enjoy the tribune, so please don't take offense. I also don't have major problems with ISD, though I would like to see more real-game-event coverage and less fiction, much the way Eve TV focused on players / events.
My thanks to those who do quality reporting. We do need more of you though.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Easley Thames
However, this could all be due to a shortage of volunteers, a problem shared by non-official eve journalists. I've noticed that Eve Tribune, as an example, seems to have a lack of diversity in its coverage as well, although they do actually report on the front-page, earth-shattering events when at times ISD seems to be playing a different game entirely. Part of ISD's problem is that it has to report on fictional in-game stories for "flavor" and roleplay-fodder, but there also seems to be a sense of disconnection at times. It would be interesting to go back and compare ISD reports to the biggest events of 2008.
I'm pretty sure that it's a different division of ISD that's behind the PF stories.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.20 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Blazde on 20/03/2009 10:42:44 Unless I'm horribly mistaken the NPC fiction is done by paid CCP employees. It does feel like there's a big disconnection between the two. Mainly that'll be because the two worlds are inherently different. One has to be kept relatively stable, while the other frequently sees unpredictable drama and chaos, big entities and entire regions toppling overnight. They have to be very carefully polluting the former with the latter.
But maybe it is time they professionalised the alliance/player news too, just as forum moderation was in the end to (I assume) remove the unavoidable bias. There could still be a place for volunteers but with CCP employees acting as editors, improving the quality up towards the standards the fiction enjoys, making up the manpower shortage and making sure the reporting was more balanced. Pay someone and they're a lot less likely to express their ingame bias and lot more likely to express their bias for putting food on their family's table.
It always bothers a bit too that alliance news is buried at the bottom of the news webpage page underneath piles of NPC news, even though the alliance news tends to be more dramatic and is (imo) are more important aspect of the game to show off. Granted it's on the character selection screen too, but I never wait for that to load (I always seem to be busy logging in at the time!). Other MMOGs have fiction and while EVE's certainly rocks a lot of depth it's not exactly the game's unique selling point. Alliance news could be, if it was finally able to climb out of the pit it always seems to have been stuck in. _
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Major Buttache
Amarr Coded Arms Coded Arms Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.20 10:46:00 -
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Whats that 'law' that states that in any interwebz thread where one protagonist mentions Hilter/****s he loses his argument by default (or some such)?
Perhaps we should create a new 'law' stating that any thread that Jade joins in suddenly becomes terminally boring?
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.20 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 20/03/2009 10:53:26 That would be Godwin's Law -
"In a Usenet discussion, the probability of comparison with the ****s proportionally increases with the length of the discussion."
Or, N=KL, where N and K >= 1 and L is a positive integer. N is probability of comparison, K is the Forum Quality Variable and L is the length of the thread. ________________________________________________
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.03.20 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin stuff
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Brobuck
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Funny change from the pretty obvious pro-NC crap that was spouted from ISD when we were up north. :)
Funny in that somehow an alliance (anime is cartoons) that holds no outposts somehow qualifies as a newsmaker?
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Brobuck
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel CCP does not protect idiots , or else then every person who got scammed should file for a full refund . Deal with it .
Then I guess its fair to say that CCP does not protect Goonswarm from being pretty poor at propaganda and failing to submit appropriate news leads either right?
Deal with it.
I think the difference is access. Everyone in game has the ability to scam or be scammed. Everyone has the same access to the metagame. Only CCP can name ISD leadership, who can then approve or deny applications to the reporter ranks. If the leadership of ISD has a bias, they accept biased reporters, who then write biased articles, which is a tool of propaganda available only to one side of the conflict, enabled by the game developers. Are you being deliberately obtuse?
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Siobhan
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.20 14:27:00 -
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Just to clarify Siobhan is Hardin's PvP account (Hardin is in a newly created alliance at the moment so can't post as Hardin on CAOD atm)
I can understand why Goons feel aggrieved at a perceived inbalance of ingame 'news' reporting at present but I would argue that this does not result from any inbuilt bias either against them or pro-BoB but has more to do with resourcing of ISD. I would also suggest that Goons don't do themselves any favours.
How so?
Well I know from experience that ISD reporters do use CAOD and other forums as a source of information. While CVA and other alliances will often make 'formal/official' alliance announcements it's never easy to tell when Goons are making some kind of official statement because so many of you are clogging up the channels with spoof announcements all the time.
I have to admit I can only name four Goons off the top of my head (Darius, Mittens, Bane & Guomindong). The sheer quantity and number of your posters means that it is often hard to identify who is actually a decent 'source' and who is just another member doing their CAOD thing.
The problem is your forum 'bombard' actually makes it really hard for ISD (or anyone) to identify who they can speak to in your organisation to get a relatively 'objective/official' line.
I (Siobhan/Hardin) have been interviewed by ISD on several occasions (primarily due to either an 'official CVA post' or a CVA response to someone else's 'official post') and while you can sometimes detect a bias in their initial angle this is primarily because the story has usually been initiated by a biased source.
Nevertheless the reporters do give both sides the opportunity to comment and if they haven't done this for Goons then I think this may be down to confusion as to who Goon's official spokespeople are...
Also, I am surprised that Goons are actually sensitive about ingame news anyway - particularly as they have been doing such a good job dominating out of game news -------------- Avenging Angel -------------- |
Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2009.03.20 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Siobhan Stuff
I don't think insinuating that the ISD is incompetent is really any better than insinuating they're biased. And for your particular analogy, you're setting up a straw man by picking goonswarm. With the example of the NC, or RAWR in particular, Blazde is pretty much the only consistent poster for a reason: he's also a lead diplomat. Ironically, the next most active person in RAWR is, *surprise* Orree, another diplomat. More to the point, there's plenty of contact information in the alliance info tab.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Brobuck Funny in that somehow an alliance (anime is cartoons) that holds no outposts somehow qualifies as a newsmaker?
Funny how somebody in an alliance with lots of outposts somehow thinks thats the only qualifying attribute for being a newsmaker.
What next I have to ask?
Perhaps only people who own Titans should qualify as newsmakers (since they have obviously "won eve" by owning the biggest ship in the game?)
Perhaps only people with 90m skillpoints should qualify as newsmakers (since by playing for five years+ they've shown they can stand the test of time?)
Perhaps only people with 100b+ isk in their wallets should qualify as newsmakers (since they are actually demonstrating an ability to materially affect the political environment through their buying power?)
Perhaps only people who have appeared in EON should qualify as newsmakers (since they've been recognized by the eve community and considered worthwhile commentators worthy of the interview in print?)
Perhaps only people who've qualified past the first round in the alliance tournament should qualify as newsmakers (since they at least can pvp on an even footing in a competition of their peers?)
See where I'm going with this yet?
Basically setting up just one factor (temporary ownership of invulnerable outposts) amongst the myriad indicators of individual (or alliance) success in the environment of eve online and using it as the sole measure of qualification for "newsmaker status" is the height of arrogant fallacy and makes you guys every bit the overbearing egocentric faux-elitest stereotypes you used to accuse Band of Brothers of being.
Eve does not begin and end with outposts.
Reading a monotonous dirge of "x took y outpost and lost z outpost" every day on the login page would be massively boring and present an entirely meaningless view of accomplishment in the setting.
What would be newsworthy would be if you got SirMolle and the BOB leadership to post on CAOD with an admission of defeat and surrender.
But that would take a little more than a cheap emo director disband trick and a month long station camp to achieve so it might be too hard for you guys to achieve.
So then, less of the silly elitest "only outposts matter" nonsense please. When you've managed to achieve something newsworthy in your own name then you can talk about "newsmakers" - until then keep trying with everyone else and accept there is more than one route to fame and fortune in the single server environment of Eve Online.
And have a nice day!
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Brobuck
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:20:00 -
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funny how you respond to my question to somebody else, but ignore my question to you
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Brobuck funny how you respond to my question to somebody else, but ignore my question to you
Your question to me was based on an entirely false premise and it was pointless to address. Whereas the comment you passed that I did reference was far more significant in the context of this thread. Respond to that if you wish.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.20 17:57:00 -
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Whatever happened to the Goonswarm theme that Eve is just a game? Goonswarm has done nothing but take Eve with the same seriousness as BoB/KenZoku for the past 2 years.
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Professor Dumbledore
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Whatever happened to the Goonswarm theme that Eve is just a game? Goonswarm has done nothing but take Eve with the same seriousness as BoB/KenZoku for the past 2 years.
Submit news leads or apply to be a volunteer. Get off your butt and do something if you feel things should be changed (as if they need to be much).
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.20 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Thuul''Khalat on 20/03/2009 18:50:09 Edited by: Thuul''Khalat on 20/03/2009 18:49:14 *9 pages of Goons slagging off ISD (You know... voulenteers)
Originally by: Palmer Eldritch Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 19/03/2009 22:03:56
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I think you are on pretty rocky ground here goonswarm. Since in the eyes of many Eve players your current "squatting" on the Band of Brothers corp name for the purpose of blocking the re-creation of an established player alliance name is something that certainly looks like a breach of the rules and the fact that CCP haven't already forcibly renamed the goonswarm "band of brothers alt corp" to "corporation 112113131331" looks as much as anything like a biased position in your favour...
It is ridiculous that corporation naming can block alliance naming in the first place - but wilfully doing this to cause grief and upset by denying an existing player entity its established in-game identity is something that many consider beyond the pale of reasonable gameplay. By this deed goonswarm directors displayed their intention to remove history from the game and exploit poor game mechanics to do it.
Got to say if I was still on the CSM I'd be for bringing this matter up to CCP as a matter of principle, since I think failing to rectify this situation when there is a past record of impersonation characters and entities being removed is poor form.
What?
If you don't think the CSMs are doing their job properly, stand for election and contribute yourself.
Coming here and slagging off the CSMs . . . goddam.
They're volunteers and they do what they do for no reward. I'm not saying they're perfect, but who is?
It's about having a bit of respect for your fellow players, Jade.
- From one of the same Goons.
Now that my friends, is EPIC irony. ---
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Palmer Eldritch
Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 19:43:00 -
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And makes it ok to abuse the CSMs, clearly.
I'm simply asking Jade to show some respect to people who volunteer their time to make the game better for all of us. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point |
Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Siobhan :words:
Most of the time, Hardin, we find our "official announcements" (read: director posts) locked (instead of just being cleaned) due to an adverse amount of trolling from our space foes.
Then things see-saw in the other direction. Years later, well, CAOD is what it is.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Originally by: Professor Dumbledore We had a person submit about 10 news leads none of which were published.
Veto has been submitting news leads for years and often doesn't get a story about awesome we are (although we did recently and enjoyed it).
Your logic doesn't fly. ISD is a volunteer group with limited time on their hands. Not to mention I'm willing to bet most news leads sent in are spam with little information, so they'd have to contend with that.
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.03.20 20:33:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Professor Dumbledore
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Whatever happened to the Goonswarm theme that Eve is just a game? Goonswarm has done nothing but take Eve with the same seriousness as BoB/KenZoku for the past 2 years.
Submit news leads or apply to be a volunteer. Get off your butt and do something if you feel things should be changed (as if they need to be much).
We had a person submit about 10 news leads none of which were published.
Why so bitter? You still have the tentonhammercolumnposterguy, aint that good? _________________________________
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.03.20 20:56:00 -
[281]
Hey guys I know how to fix ISD bias. Lets put Jade writting the news! =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
Vladic Ka
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:15:00 -
[282]
Please report on the 49- fight tonight ISD. Will be interesting to see how it pans out for you.
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:22:00 -
[283]
It could look like this:
According to the people we interviewed X won the battle with a 10000/1 kd ratio. -ISD |
Professor Dumbledore
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:49:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Stalina
Originally by: Professor Dumbledore
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Whatever happened to the Goonswarm theme that Eve is just a game? Goonswarm has done nothing but take Eve with the same seriousness as BoB/KenZoku for the past 2 years.
Submit news leads or apply to be a volunteer. Get off your butt and do something if you feel things should be changed (as if they need to be much).
We had a person submit about 10 news leads none of which were published.
Why so bitter? You still have the tentonhammercolumnposterguy, aint that good?
I dont give no ****s about ISD or the ****ty news they produced i was simply stating we did give leads and they didn't publish them.
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ThorTheGreat
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 23:47:00 -
[285]
I can do this...
Kenzoku fights pitched battle in 49-
Eariler today Kenzoku fought a pitched battle involving around 900 pilots in 49-. According to Dianbolic they were able to rep two of their towers and establish dominance. "We had some losses but once the killboards have cleared I'm sure we'll come out on top".
Random Goon #245 A recruitment director had this to say "Your tribe's water will mix with my tribe's water". He then pasted an ascii *****. Obviously they are distraught by the current situation.
We'll give you more as it develops. Fair and Balanced... ISD
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Cletus Graeme
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 00:58:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel Hey guys I know how to fix ISD bias. Lets put Jade writting the news!
You b*st*rd! You just made me throw up...
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.21 02:11:00 -
[287]
The Spice Must Flow.
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Lina Jakiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.21 04:30:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
*9 pages of Goons slagging off ISD (You know... voulenteers)
- From one of the same Goons.
Now that my friends, is EPIC irony.
Yes, it was a well constructed bit of irony.
What, you missed the point of the post? You don't say!
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Leon 026
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.21 09:24:00 -
[289]
Just lol at people suggesting that ISD-IC should read CAOD to gather "information" for their news. No ISD reads CAOD due to the cesspool that is it, other than the moderators to keep the inmates in check.
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Amiable Quinn
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:10:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Professor Dumbledore We had a person submit about 10 news leads none of which were published.
Veto has been submitting news leads for years and often doesn't get a story about awesome we are (although we did recently and enjoyed it).
Veto - small non-space holding group, specializes in small gang pvp, approximately 200 members Goonswarm - largest alliance in the game, held/holds enormous swaths of territory, currently holds most valuable territory in the game, Regularly has fleet battles involving hundreds/thousands of pilots, approximately 5000 members (not counting allies)
Who gets more coverage in ISD? Veto.
This isn't meant as a slam on your play-style but Veto has gotten far more coverage over the years than Goonswarm, even though at the alliance politics level you guys are a non-entity. That seems to show evidence of some pretty clear bias.
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C4w3
Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:37:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Professor Dumbledore We had a person submit about 10 news leads none of which were published.
Veto has been submitting news leads for years and often doesn't get a story about awesome we are (although we did recently and enjoyed it).
Veto - small non-space holding group, specializes in small gang pvp, approximately 200 members Goonswarm - largest alliance in the game, held/holds enormous swaths of territory, currently holds most valuable territory in the game, Regularly has fleet battles involving hundreds/thousands of pilots, approximately 5000 members (not counting allies)
Who gets more coverage in ISD? Veto.
This isn't meant as a slam on your play-style but Veto has gotten far more coverage over the years than Goonswarm, even though at the alliance politics level you guys are a non-entity. That seems to show evidence of some pretty clear bias.
Getting to little intraweb im importatnt time are we? ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:03:00 -
[292]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/03/2009 12:06:27
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Professor Dumbledore We had a person submit about 10 news leads none of which were published.
Veto has been submitting news leads for years and often doesn't get a story about awesome we are (although we did recently and enjoyed it).
Veto - small non-space holding group, specializes in small gang pvp, approximately 200 members Goonswarm - largest alliance in the game, held/holds enormous swaths of territory, currently holds most valuable territory in the game, Regularly has fleet battles involving hundreds/thousands of pilots, approximately 5000 members (not counting allies)
Who gets more coverage in ISD? Veto.
This isn't meant as a slam on your play-style but Veto has gotten far more coverage over the years than Goonswarm, even though at the alliance politics level you guys are a non-entity. That seems to show evidence of some pretty clear bias.
What's the bigger achievement - taking down a POS when you have 200 members, or taking down a POS when you have 5000 members?
Also, if you were to count the number of mentions in the news that the Goons have had over the years, I'm sure that it's a higher number than the number of mentions that Veto have had.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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isqander
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:58:00 -
[293]
Edited by: isqander on 21/03/2009 12:57:58
Originally by: Rodj Blake
What's the bigger achievement - taking down a POS when you have 200 members, or taking down a POS when you have 5000 members?
Also, if you were to count the number of mentions in the news that the Goons have had over the years, I'm sure that it's a higher number than the number of mentions that Veto have had.
Way to miss the point. They're supposed to report news. Important events. Galaxy changing upheavals. Not post a bunch of chestbeating reports about stuff that you might consider an "achievement." If they followed your logic ISD would be reporting how Joe Schmoe soloed a lvl 3 in his crusader.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:16:00 -
[294]
Originally by: isqander Edited by: isqander on 21/03/2009 12:57:58
Originally by: Rodj Blake
What's the bigger achievement - taking down a POS when you have 200 members, or taking down a POS when you have 5000 members?
Also, if you were to count the number of mentions in the news that the Goons have had over the years, I'm sure that it's a higher number than the number of mentions that Veto have had.
Way to miss the point. They're supposed to report news. Important events. Galaxy changing upheavals. Not post a bunch of chestbeating reports about stuff that you might consider an "achievement." If they followed your logic ISD would be reporting how Joe Schmoe soloed a lvl 3 in his crusader.
What's more likely to get prominently covered by a RL news service - police catching a burglar the same as they do hundreds of times every week, or a burglar being caught by a granny?
As for missing the point, you appear to missed my second one.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:22:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: isqander Edited by: isqander on 21/03/2009 12:57:58
Originally by: Rodj Blake
What's the bigger achievement - taking down a POS when you have 200 members, or taking down a POS when you have 5000 members?
Also, if you were to count the number of mentions in the news that the Goons have had over the years, I'm sure that it's a higher number than the number of mentions that Veto have had.
Way to miss the point. They're supposed to report news. Important events. Galaxy changing upheavals. Not post a bunch of chestbeating reports about stuff that you might consider an "achievement." If they followed your logic ISD would be reporting how Joe Schmoe soloed a lvl 3 in his crusader.
What's more likely to get prominently covered by a RL news service - police catching a burglar the same as they do hundreds of times every week, or a burglar being caught by a granny?
As for missing the point, you appear to missed my second one.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:24:00 -
[296]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/03/2009 13:24:37
Well, ISD has produced multiple reports on your Delve campaign, so where's the problem?
The thing is, there's both room and a need for reports on both large and small events.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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The Qat
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.21 14:21:00 -
[297]
History is supposed to be written by the winners, duh
PS Jade shut up
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Amiable Quinn
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:03:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
What's the bigger achievement - taking down a POS when you have 200 members, or taking down a POS when you have 5000 members?
Also, if you were to count the number of mentions in the news that the Goons have had over the years, I'm sure that it's a higher number than the number of mentions that Veto have had.
Whats the bigger news story? A 200 member corp taking down a POS or a 5000 member corp and allies taking down 500? (It's also far and away the bigger achievement, but since this is internet spaceships, who cares.)
The issue isn't who is "mentioned" in the news story, the issue is who gets to tell their story. Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization has fewer of their news submissions accepted than a small mercenary alliance. The actions we take have a much larger effect on the EvE community (ship prices due to moon mining operations ceasing/beginning, disruption in travel in a large portion of space, mass migration and opportunities for Empire corps to take over abandoned space). It's like putting the neighborhood hero who tackled a burglar on the front page, but ignoring World War 2. Don't get me wrong, coverage of corps like yours has its place, I'm sure many folks would be fascinated with a "human interest" story about your can-do spirit and outstanding k/d ratios. But what is happening in Delve right now is far more relevant to the average player, and the lack of balance in coverage is problematic.
Also buttes.
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isqander
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:11:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
What's more likely to get prominently covered by a RL news service - police catching a burglar the same as they do hundreds of times every week, or a burglar being caught by a granny?
Do Titans get killed hundreds of times a week? Do the best regions in the game get conquered hundreds of times a week? Your analogy is ******ed. As was your second point. Goonswarm does more newsworthy things. Period.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Well, ISD has produced multiple reports on your Delve campaign, so where's the problem?
Read the initial post of this thread if you want to figure out what people are talking about.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:16:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization
relavant to who?
"Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time" |
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General Windypops
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:47:00 -
[301]
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization
relavant to who?
TBH CCP have to think about the promotional impact of what they cover at times like this. "Huge multiplayer alliance disbands enemy by buying out director" isn't as interesting to the new player as what guys like Butterdog and Jade are doing on a smaller scale.
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Amiable Quinn
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:49:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization
relavant to who?
Hey look, later in the paragraph I explained this:
"The actions we take have a much larger effect on the EvE community (ship prices due to moon mining operations ceasing/beginning, disruption in travel in a large portion of space, mass migration and opportunities for Empire corps to take over abandoned space)."
Reading is FUNdamental!
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KeratinBoy
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.22 04:09:00 -
[303]
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization
relavant to who?
TBH CCP have to think about the promotional impact of what they cover at times like this. "Huge multiplayer alliance disbands enemy by buying out director" isn't as interesting to the new player as what guys like Butterdog and Jade are doing on a smaller scale.
Firstly, I was under the impression ISD interviewed Haargoth. ( I could be wrong)
Secondly, yeah, why would a new player, overwhelmed with the steep learning curve that is Eve, want to read a story about one player who turned the game world on its ear?
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Cal Hydar
Caldari DAB PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.22 05:45:00 -
[304]
Here we go again. Not sure why I keep trying to point out things for Goons to read, since they seem to be incappable. Here you go folks:
Quote: The War so Far
The war began when the CONCORD-registered Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded by a director, Haargoth Agamar, who defected to the alliance's enemy, GoonSwarm.
The member corporations of Band of Brothers reformed in KenZoku, previously an industrial alliance for Reikoku-affilliated corporations. Their previous Province and Capital sovereignties in the region were lost, but KenZoku was able to make a territorial sovereignty claim to systems formerly claimed under the Band of Brothers identity.
KenZoku's old enemies - GoonSwarm, Pandemic Legion and the Northern Coalition's RAZOR Alliance and Morsus Mihi - launched a full-scale invasion of the region, intending to conquer it before full sovereignty over the area could be restored.
The forces allied against KenZoku have attempted to confine most of the defender's forces into a Blood Raider Covenant station in PR-8CA and maintain a continual heavy guard in the system, while the rest of the attacking forces focus on removing the defending alliance's control towers.
Meanwhile, KenZoku's allies Against ALL Authorities are attacking the former home territories of GoonSwarm alongside C0ven and Stain Empire. GoonSwarm state that they have abandoned these systems for the time being and, it is claimed, will reconquer them once Delve has fallen.
To date, KenZoku has lost its sovereignty claims in 44 systems, though it then reclaimed two, while sufficient towers have survived to claim Protectorate sovereignty in some 70 systems in Catch, Delve, Querious, Detorid and Period Basis.
Quote: Dining in NOL
In particular, the outpost in NOL-M9 has assumed a symbolic importance in the conflict. It is widely rumoured that Goonswarm once vowed to dine in NOL-M9, the site of Band of Brother's outpost, The Alamo. (Ownership of the outpost passed to KenZoku and is currently with Pandemic Legion, who renamed it "The Lmao.")
XxAngelxX is CEO of The Illuminati, a Pandemic Legion corporation spoke about the conquest:
"We took it the first day that [sovereignty] dropped, then [KenZoku] retook it but we expect to have it back in about a week. We've had more important things to do than NOL-M9 recently.
"Pandemic Legion itself has / is in the process of taking FinFleet's sovereignty 4 constellation. We took the first station today in 5-6QW7. As for other sovereignty 4 constellations, I believe [GoonSwarm] and [the Northern Coalition] are well on their way with those too."
Since this interview, Pandemic Legion has completed both these objectives, holding both NOL-M9 and the 1-A81R constellation. XxAngelxX continued:
"There really has been little resistance. One of the major parts of this has been the 23/7 perma camp in PR-8CA which was well known to be [KenZoku's]... staging [area] and where they told GBC to regroup to, too.
"With their assets and ships locked in station, titans [caged] in their POS and massive issues with security, we haven't really seen much fight from them in the last couple of days. We've destroyed [approximately] 50 large POS in station systems in the last 2 days without resistance.
"At the moment, it's hardly a war. We'll see if [KenZoku] actually have a strategic plan after [Against ALL Authorities] finish with [the] old [GoonSwarm] space, but right now we are taking this space like no-one ever lived in it....the only battles we have had are ganking Shrike, ganking Waagaa's aeon and ganking an [Axiom Empire] aeon last night."
Drrrrr.... Reading is hard..
Please try and keep saying you haven't had fair coverage. You have had your share, as has KenZoku and AAA. Stop complaining about volunteers doing their best. -------- sig here |
Vladic Ka
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.22 08:34:00 -
[305]
Drrrrrr......
Read the war so far again dude. Who was that piece about an in what light does it show them? I think you got your coverage meter all mixed up.
Drrrrr..
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Cal Hydar
Caldari DAB PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.22 09:27:00 -
[306]
Accurate information is OBVIOUSLY bias. Crawl back in your hole little one... -------- sig here |
Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.22 09:28:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Professor Dumbledore
Originally by: Stalina
Originally by: Professor Dumbledore
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Whatever happened to the Goonswarm theme that Eve is just a game? Goonswarm has done nothing but take Eve with the same seriousness as BoB/KenZoku for the past 2 years.
Submit news leads or apply to be a volunteer. Get off your butt and do something if you feel things should be changed (as if they need to be much).
We had a person submit about 10 news leads none of which were published.
Why so bitter? You still have the tentonhammercolumnposterguy, aint that good?
I dont give no ****s about ISD or the ****ty news they produced i was simply stating we did give leads and they didn't publish them.
Boohoohoo it's just a game, get over it. If the stuff you sent to ISD was written the same way you guys post on caod, I don't understand why...blahblah. I can has your stuff please? _________________________________
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Vladic Ka
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.22 10:38:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Cal Hydar Accurate information is OBVIOUSLY bias. Crawl back in your hole little one...
Is this about acurate information or coverage? I just dont know what you are trying to get at.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.22 10:46:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization
relavant to who?
Hey look, later in the paragraph I explained this:
"The actions we take have a much larger effect on the EvE community (ship prices due to moon mining operations ceasing/beginning, disruption in travel in a large portion of space, mass migration and opportunities for Empire corps to take over abandoned space)."
Reading is FUNdamental!
Unless you where involved in the moon exploite you are haveing no effect on ship prices. the amount of high end moons the nc is sitting on is so much bigger than any thing and you are not disrupting there flow only makeing them more money.
again you and your alliance is only relavant to a very minor part of the games players.
"Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time" |
Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.22 10:48:00 -
[310]
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization
relavant to who?
TBH CCP have to think about the promotional impact of what they cover at times like this. "Huge multiplayer alliance disbands enemy by buying out director" isn't as interesting to the new player as what guys like Butterdog and Jade are doing on a smaller scale.
dont think a new player cares abut wtf is going on in 0.0.
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O Thief
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.22 10:55:00 -
[311]
look at all the silly goons, worried about how 'relevant' they are
is someone taking internet spaceships too seriously? i think so
you brosefs need to follow your own advice, and chill with a mojito
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C4w3
Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.22 11:06:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Amiable Quinn Edited by: Amiable Quinn on 22/03/2009 00:09:02
Originally by: Rodj Blake
What's the bigger achievement - taking down a POS when you have 200 members, or taking down a POS when you have 5000 members?
Also, if you were to count the number of mentions in the news that the Goons have had over the years, I'm sure that it's a higher number than the number of mentions that Veto have had.
Whats the bigger news story? A 200 member corp taking down a POS or a 5000 member corp and allies taking down 500? (It's also far and away the bigger achievement, but since this is internet spaceships, who cares.)
The issue isn't who is "mentioned" in the news story, the issue is who gets to tell their story. Goonfleet, the much larger and more relevant organization has fewer of their news submissions accepted than a small mercenary alliance. The actions we take have a much larger effect on the EvE community (ship prices due to moon mining operations ceasing/beginning, disruption in travel in a large portion of space, mass migration and opportunities for Empire corps to take over abandoned space). It's like putting the neighborhood hero who tackled a burglar on the front page, but ignoring World War 2. Don't get me wrong, coverage of smaller corps has its place, I'm sure many folks would be fascinated with a "human interest" story about its can-do spirit and outstanding k/d ratios. But what is happening in Delve right now is far more relevant to the average player, and the lack of balance in coverage is problematic.
Also buttes.
You seem to care quit a bit .... must be those ten dollas you payed joining go0ns rite?
On a side not you and your assorted pubbies are aware of that you can talk to ISD etc right?
If not your CSM rep must know? ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Skyraker7
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.22 11:50:00 -
[313]
Kugu in ISD would make the news much more interesting.
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Le Skunk
Gallente Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.03.22 16:28:00 -
[314]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 22/03/2009 16:28:59 Anyone want to explain this "(anime is cartoons)" thingy? And by that i mean not the obvious part, just why it is parenthesized as a matter of course by posters.
Obviously it is a dig of some sort, i should like to learn the history of this dig.
Many thanks
SKUNK
IMPORTANAT SIDE NOTE:
1) We once had an ISD dood turn up at one of our gatecamps to report on how "pirates" operate. 2) We gave him stick (in game) - bumped his ship about, smartbombed him etc untill he went away. 3) He then went to rancer or some such place where there are attention *****s and wrote an article on pirating.
Moral of the side note - If your important enough to get an ISD reporter show up - they will show up. If your TRULY interesting enough to warrant an ISD reporter - you wont want him there.
(o)
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Verone
Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.22 21:40:00 -
[315]
Awesome Veto Flaming, A++++++
Would read again.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Junkie Beverage
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.22 22:25:00 -
[316]
this thread rules
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Liranan
Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.03.23 00:57:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Saaya Illirie Aw Mr. Goonie is sad because ISD didn't make a post to increase his E-Peen size and give him more to gloat about on forums. QQ more nublette.
Summarising the thread. Farjung is my God
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 01:18:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Verone Awesome Veto Flaming, A++++++
Would read again.
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Verone
Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.23 02:00:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Totally Slick
Originally by: Verone Awesome Veto Flaming, A++++++
Would read again.
We need an update. What is Veto doing RIGHT NOW?
Not worrying about how much ISD cover we get.... we've got that covered, apparently.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Jack Gates
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 02:42:00 -
[320]
I wonder if ISD has flown into delve in the past two months.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 08:17:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Verone Awesome Veto Flaming, A++++++
Would read again.
Typical Goons - flaming Veto and ignoring PIE. I detect bias!
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:18:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Amiable Quinn Veto - small non-space holding group, specializes in small gang pvp, approximately 200 members Goonswarm - largest alliance in the game, held/holds enormous swaths of territory, currently holds most valuable territory in the game, Regularly has fleet battles involving hundreds/thousands of pilots, approximately 5000 members (not counting allies)
Who gets more coverage in ISD? Veto.
You are forgetting:
Veto - Highly individual identity, established leadership, excellent self-publicity, well known personalities in the community and (one would assume) know how to fill in news-lead forms correctly.
Goonswarm - Best known for spamming CAOD, uncommunicative leadership, generally poor publicity, 5000 random members (most people would be hard put to name six actual different goons) and (it appears from this thread) don't know how to fill in news-lead forms correctly.
Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh Amiable Quinn but I have no clue who you are or who 99.9% of goon posters are. I know of Darius, I know of Mitani, I know of Bane, and I know of Goumindong. But thats about it for goonswarm - the rest of the 4996 members have never done anything to distinguish themselves in game and are only visible through forum spamming CAOD. But thats the reality with a large organization I'm afraid - you don't join goonswarm to become famous - you join because you want to be an anonymous cog in the great machine and thats fine if it suits your playstyle but it does make it difficult for anyone on the outside to see what you are about.
Reminds me a bit of the space-monkeys from Fight Club - shaven heads and identical commitment to project mayhem. You only have a name in death. (Like Suas I guess).
Basically you need to realize that 5000 members is nothing in the grand universe of Eve online - a mere drop in the ocean. Most of the game couldn't care less about outposts in Delve or month long station camps. You'd get more actual impact suiciding mining barges or haulers in empire - then the general population would take notice.
You'd also get far more notice if you cut back the CAOD spam and had some actual leadership figures posting proper press releases from time to time that had content and news in them rather than flames and memes and in-jokes that mean nothing to the readership of CAOD let alone the rest of the forums.
Here's the thing. When Verone posts a press release as Veto people read it because its likely to say *something* about *something* happening in-game. Sure its not going to be a huge massive world-defining *something* thats going to make the sky collapse and carebears go screaming to the heavens in an orgy of cataclysmic emocide ... but its going to mean something.
When Goons post ... well, I guess most people outside goonswarm never read the threads. Eyes glaze over, boredom and yawns, its nothing orginal - nothing interesting, nothing worth reading. Its all trolling, fakeposts, lame jokes and circular memes that just aren't looking at.
Its the "less is more" school of penetrating PR message. You guys in goonswarm have tried carpet-bombing caod with a myriad identical voices saying "never mind the quality feel the width" and it hasn't worked. People switch off.
Thats really what the op post to this thread is actually about I think - its nothing to do with ISD News bias or anything like that. Its closer to a cry for help on the part of a goonswarm that doesn't really understand why its message is not getting through and why what they perceive to be a great accomplishment and victory is not being seen that way by the rest of the server. We've had the CAOD "dirty campaign" of destructive spamming already. Question is can the goonswarm culture actually evolve and produce some proper public relations savvy and dig itself out of the pit its fallen into.
Because until that happens. Veto means more than Goonswarm in Eve online.
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Vashan Tar
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
WALL OF TEXT
For someone who does not read goonswarm threads or finds them boring, you sure do seem to post in a lot of them. If you want to join I'm sure we can find someone who can mentor you in the fine art of quality posting for a reasonable fee.
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Ishbuanium
Gallente Black Skull Legion No Apology
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
You'd also get far more notice if you cut back the CAOD spam and had some actual leadership figures posting proper press releases from time to time that had content and news in them rather than flames and memes and in-jokes that mean nothing to the readership of CAOD let alone the rest of the forums.
I'm going to really only argue this point in your wall of text. It really shows how out of touch you are with CAOD and EVE in general. Hell, if you actually ever stopped sperging out all over the forums and bloody well looked over a number of the posts, you'd see how goon memes have permeated the forums, and how the so called in-jokes...well...aren't so much of in-jokes anymore.
Goon jokes have even managed to move out of CAOD, though by the nature of the forums (which you probably don't read) you'd see that a number of the forums each have a distinct character (C&P, for example).
Honestly, I kinda feel sorry for you. You're pretty disconnected from the community you are, by your subscription, a part of. You're pretty out of touch with those you want to feel kinship towards. Honestly, being lonely sucks, and I hope for your sake that you'll soon realize that and manage to become a contributing member of this community.
Until then keep up your self important wall of texts that could be easily summarized if you weren't making a weak attempt to appear extremely intelligent when in reality you're just an average guy, like the rest of us.
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Amiable Quinn
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:35:00 -
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Holy wall of text.
1. I had no intent to disrespect Veto, I was using them as an example to illustrate the bias in coverage. They have been nice folks to me in the past so they are cool in my book.
2. We are playing internet spaceships, no one is "important", what I was discussing is relevence We are all nobodies. The difference between you and me is that I am aware of this fact while you are a crazy person who deludes himself into thinking that being known for writing walls of texts in an MMORPG forum somehow translates into "relevance." This is the only non-private forum in which your gibberish isn't called out. Remember your visit to F13? We still get a good chuckle over that.
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KalamMek
Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh Amiable Quinn but I have no clue who you are or who 99.9% of goon posters are. I know of Darius, I know of Mitani, I know of Bane, and I know of Goumindong. But thats about it for goonswarm - the rest of the 4996 members have never done anything to distinguish themselves in game and are only visible through forum spamming CAOD. But thats the reality with a large organization I'm afraid - you don't join goonswarm to become famous - you join because you want to be an anonymous cog in the great machine and thats fine if it suits your playstyle but it does make it difficult for anyone on the outside to see what you are about.
When Goons post ... well, I guess most people outside goonswarm never read the threads. Eyes glaze over, boredom and yawns, its nothing orginal - nothing interesting, nothing worth reading.
#1. True, being in a large alliance is difficult if one desires to cultivate their MMO community reputation. Despite a sense of anonymity, this does not take away from the importance of individual participation and effort that makes a large alliance succeed.
#2 Were you describing our posts or yours?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Amiable Quinn Holy wall of text.
1. I had no intent to disrespect Veto, I was using them as an example to illustrate the bias in coverage. They have been nice folks to me in the past so they are cool in my book.
Have you actually compared the number of mentions of Veto in the news with the number of mentions that the Goons have received?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Totally Slick
Originally by: Verone Awesome Veto Flaming, A++++++
Would read again.
We need an update. What is Veto doing RIGHT NOW?
Not worrying about how much ISD cover we get.... we've got that covered, apparently.
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Amiable Quinn
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Have you actually compared the number of mentions of Veto in the news with the number of mentions that the Goons have received?
Nice try, that's not the point I was making. The point is that a relatively small organization has had numerous stories they submitted accepted, whereas goons have had relatively few and in general those stories have little input from us/discussion of our verison of events.
In any event, mission accomplished, as it appears ISD took our concerns seriously (evidenced by the recent well-written and balanced news article describing the events occuring in 49-). So thanks for keeping this in the public eye.
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Rek Esket
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Amiable QuinnIn any event, mission accomplished, as it appears ISD took our concerns seriously (evidenced by the recent well-written and balanced news article describing the events occuring in 49-). So thanks for keeping this in the public eye.[/quote
If only they hadn't linked it to useless SHC.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:15:00 -
[331]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/03/2009 16:15:33
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Originally by: Rodj Blake Have you actually compared the number of mentions of Veto in the news with the number of mentions that the Goons have received?
Nice try, that's not the point I was making. The point is that a relatively small organization has had numerous stories they submitted accepted, whereas goons have had relatively few and in general those stories have little input from us/discussion of our verison of events.
So what are the numbers then?
Quote: In any event, mission accomplished, as it appears ISD took our concerns seriously (evidenced by the recent well-written and balanced news article describing the events occuring in 49-). So thanks for keeping this in the public eye.
Except that the previous Delve articles were also well-written and balanced!
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Oran Sound
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Oran Sound on 23/03/2009 17:00:46 There should be an article on the recent name change of the Kenzoku Alliance. Should I also e-mail this to the ISD, CCP Mitnal?
Its a cool event, being the first recorded name change of an alliance.
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Poopsock Alarmclock
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Oran Sound Edited by: Oran Sound on 23/03/2009 17:00:46 There should be an article on the recent name change of the Kenzoku Alliance. Should I also e-mail this to the ISD, CCP Mitnal?
Its a cool event, being the first recorded name change of an alliance.
I for one cannot wait to hear fair and unbiased reporting on this unprecedented event.
Quote this if you're down.
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Xaen
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Oran Sound Edited by: Oran Sound on 23/03/2009 17:00:46 There should be an article on the recent name change of the Kenzoku Alliance. Should I also e-mail this to the ISD, CCP Mitnal?
Its a cool event, being the first recorded name change of an alliance.
Seconded.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Amiable Quinn
2. We are playing internet spaceships, no one is "important", what I was discussing is relevence We are all nobodies.
Well Amiable Quinn if you appreciate that Goonswarm are "nobodies" then there is no reason why they should be considered any more relevant than anybody else playing this game is there?
Ultimately it comes down to submitting interesting news-leads. If we're all "nobodies" then the name of the organization has no relevance and its all about ISD news getting informed about things that the rest of the "nobodies" in the player base find intriguing.
This pretty much invalidates the accusation of "bias" that the goonswarm posters have been making in the thread.
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Baquack Obamailure
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 18:49:00 -
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I submitted a news lead about the Delve war and it was never followed up on hope this helps
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/03/2009 19:05:01
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Oran Sound Edited by: Oran Sound on 23/03/2009 17:00:46 There should be an article on the recent name change of the Kenzoku Alliance. Should I also e-mail this to the ISD, CCP Mitnal?
Its a cool event, being the first recorded name change of an alliance.
Seconded.
It wasn't so long ago that this thread was being used by the Goons and their friends to complain that BoB/Ken were getting too much coverage. How things change! I'm also reasonably certain that alliances have had their names changed in the past.
Quote: Biggest news since bob was disbanded. (Was that reported?)
You know full well that it was.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Etien Aldragoran
Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 19:27:00 -
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Quote: In any event, mission accomplished, as it appears ISD took our concerns seriously (evidenced by the recent well-written and balanced news article describing the events occuring in 49-). So thanks for keeping this in the public eye.
I like the part where every other sentence had a link to Scrapheap. You know, that forum where your post would be deleted or your account banned if you were anti-BOB.
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Xaen
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/03/2009 19:05:01
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Oran Sound Edited by: Oran Sound on 23/03/2009 17:00:46 There should be an article on the recent name change of the Kenzoku Alliance. Should I also e-mail this to the ISD, CCP Mitnal?
Its a cool event, being the first recorded name change of an alliance.
Seconded.
It wasn't so long ago that this thread was being used by the Goons and their friends to complain that BoB/Ken were getting too much coverage. How things change! I'm also reasonably certain that alliances have had their names changed in the past.
Link or STFU.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Quote: Biggest news since bob was disbanded. (Was that reported?)
You know full well that it was.
No, I don't. Care to link it? - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Oran Sound
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Oran Sound on 23/03/2009 19:51:59
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/03/2009 19:05:01
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Oran Sound Edited by: Oran Sound on 23/03/2009 17:00:46 There should be an article on the recent name change of the Kenzoku Alliance. Should I also e-mail this to the ISD, CCP Mitnal?
Its a cool event, being the first recorded name change of an alliance.
Seconded.
It wasn't so long ago that this thread was being used by the Goons and their friends to complain that BoB/Ken were getting too much coverage. How things change! I'm also reasonably certain that alliances have had their names changed in the past.
I'm actually, pretty sure that CCP has never done name changes on a whim except in exceptional cases of abuse. In most cases, they have told the alliances to just remake the alliance if they had made a spelling mistake in the name. Granted, this would cause SOV and isk to be lost, woops. And a whole raft of other issues would arise. This is far easier for them than changing/editing their database entry for the old AllianceID to have a new name.
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Mr Adebisi
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 19:54:00 -
[341]
Originally by: Oran Sound Edited by: Oran Sound on 23/03/2009 19:51:59
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/03/2009 19:05:01
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Oran Sound Edited by: Oran Sound on 23/03/2009 17:00:46 There should be an article on the recent name change of the Kenzoku Alliance. Should I also e-mail this to the ISD, CCP Mitnal?
Its a cool event, being the first recorded name change of an alliance.
Seconded.
It wasn't so long ago that this thread was being used by the Goons and their friends to complain that BoB/Ken were getting too much coverage. How things change! I'm also reasonably certain that alliances have had their names changed in the past.
Its not like they have any sov to worry about losing.
I'm actually, pretty sure that CCP has never done name changes on a whim except in exceptional cases of abuse. In most cases, they have told the alliances to just remake the alliance if they had made a spelling mistake in the name. Granted, this would cause SOV and isk to be lost, woops. And a whole raft of other issues would arise. This is far easier for them than changing/editing their database entry for the old AllianceID to have a new name.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 20:24:00 -
[342]
Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Quote: Biggest news since bob was disbanded. (Was that reported?)
You know full well that it was.
No, I don't. Care to link it?
Wow, it's almost as though you haven't been reading the news!
But since you asked nicely, it's here
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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LASER WATCHER
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Baquack Obamailure I submitted a news lead about the Delve war and it was never followed up on hope this helps
quoting this
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Warrio
Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:58:00 -
[344]
Fact: Bob Kenny BoBR Beaver is an elite PvP alliance. sXe |
Treylis
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:15:00 -
[345]
Goonswarm is the premier PVP alliance in Eve.
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Lee Bian
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.07 06:58:00 -
[346]
Edited by: Lee Bian on 07/04/2009 06:58:16 thank you isd for your continuing reporting on relevant news in the eve community such as http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2978&tid=7 instead of some silly little cap fights
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William Romeo
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.07 07:18:00 -
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and yet they still seem to be missing quite a few members, according to the Dotlan figures.
Quote: SFShootme's initial response was that RKK members could wind up in a new corporation formed with members of Destructive Influence, to be called Relentless Influence [RiCE]. LadyScarlet of Destructive Influence even displayed a banner which she claimed was supposed to be their official picture.
Maybe they just don't like asian food and got tired of all the anime garbage?
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Petar Quaresma
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.07 07:26:00 -
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Edited by: Petar Quaresma on 07/04/2009 07:26:06
Member of Reikoku Corporation takes "Pleasant Dump" ISD Reporter Shill Worthington
Earlier today New Eden was rocked by news of a member of Reikoku having a "pleasant dump" and "reading good news in his horoscope."
Reikoku member Surrius Bidness described the situation as "very nice" and told this ISD reporter that, according to his local paper's horoscopes, he would "face a challenge today and overcome it."
When asked what that challenge might be, Surrius replied "well, we've managed to lure The Goonsfleet into Delve and I believe this horoscope is a sign that we will be able to make them homeless." Without getting off the toilet, Surrious continued to report that "this was all part of a greater plan" and that they were "biding their time until the Goons would be destroyed."
There were rumors of a major capfleet battle somewhere in the region of Querigous, but New Eden was again rocked by news that a member of the Destructive Influence corporation doomsdayed a group of six Northern Coalition members near Lowsec. When asked about the situation, titan pilot Fat Buttes replied that "our tactics are simply superior." Wiping grease off his chin from his English breakfast, Buttes said "the fight was awesome and is an indication of our growing strength."
No other events occurred today as far as our staff are aware.
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Lizhia Birath
Minmatar Rogue Industrial Group The Fifth Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.07 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Lizhia Birath on 07/04/2009 07:51:15 Since its apparently open season on reporting any kind of crap there is, I'd like to submit the following;
Today Lizhia Birath mined Plagioclase for 3 hours straight. She has been planning on buying a large quantity of ammo bpo's for research and manufacturing. What impact this will have on the ammunitions market has yet to be seen. Lizhia had this to say about the future: "Toooth tooooth twiddelie toooth"
I did not mean to outdo the ISD but its so damn hard not to :I Ps. this might be a bit biased
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Captain Thunk
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.07 08:39:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Thunk on 07/04/2009 08:38:56 Clarity Brown should never stop posting.
Not that I think he needs any encouragement as even when Kenzoku have been docked for a month, he still has the remarkable ability to dredge up some story on Ken bowel movements or something.
Luckily Clarity was on hand to explain the Reikoku situation before the general public, which is significantly more stupid than a Kenzoku player, may have misinterpreted the situation and believed the greatest alliance ever to grace the face of Eve-Online may have done something stupid.
I look forward to Hilarity Browns next thrilling episode, which of course will no doubt feature everyone's favourite anime based alliance.
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Jonas Cooke
Minmatar Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2009.04.07 09:30:00 -
[351]
Originally by: CowsCANBark This non-biased EVE ONLINE coverage of the small rebel resistance in delve has been GREEEAAAAT. I'm really glad there have only been 4 major incidents and that KENZOKU has been such a great alliance.
1. Kenzoku gets sov 2. Kengoku gets sov 2 3. Kenzoku undocks ( my personal fav~) 4. 650 man fleet in which kenogoku won!!!!!
Thanks for everything you do ISD, great job on this converage, fox news would call you scholars
We didn't want news coverage anyw- o snap.
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.07 10:07:00 -
[352]
obama won
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GATORAN
Minmatar Child Head Injury and Laceration Doctors
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Posted - 2009.04.07 11:13:00 -
[353]
Edited by: GATORAN on 07/04/2009 11:15:19
Originally by: some goonswarm member
I like the part where every other sentence had a link to Scrapheap. You know, that forum where your post would be deleted or your account banned if you were anti-BOB.
Originally by: some other goonswarm member
This non-biased EVE ONLINE coverage of the small rebel resistance in delve has been GREEEAAAAT. I'm really glad there have only been 4 major incidents and that KENZOKU has been such a great alliance.
1. Kenzoku gets sov 2. Kengoku gets sov 2 3. Kenzoku undocks ( my personal fav~) 4. 650 man fleet in which kenogoku won!!!!!
Thanks for everything you do ISD, great job on this converage, fox news would call you scholars
Originally by: yet another goonswarm member
Member of Reikoku Corporation takes "Pleasant Dump" ISD Reporter Shill Worthington
......
W00t, page 12 in a "OMG PPL DONT LIKE GOONSWARM???? WAAAAAAAAAH!! LIKE US DAMMIT! GIVE US ATTENTION!! RECOGNIZE US AND READ ABOUT US! *spams forum some more, throws toys out of pram and throws around accusations about how people are all bob-pets for not liking them" goon thread.
Obviously the next thing I'll be trolled with is "Who are you??" cause you know, thats all they know how to say.
Man that was worth my bi-yearly visit to CAOD.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.04.07 13:26:00 -
[354]
Are they really still complaining about getting no news coverage for camping an empty station?
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Zell Shadowcast
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.07 13:29:00 -
[355]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Are they really still complaining about getting no news coverage for camping an empty station?
Who are you?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.04.07 13:33:00 -
[356]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/04/2009 13:33:05
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
Who are you?
The person you owe your 100m goonfleet fees for April too. Send the isk over when you logon otherwise your section commander will have you humping roids for the next six weeks. Hop to it old chap!
Toodle-pip
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Zell Shadowcast
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.07 13:36:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/04/2009 13:33:05
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
Who are you?
The person you owe your 100m goonfleet fees for April too. Send the isk over when you logon otherwise your section commander will have you humping roids for the next six weeks. Hop to it old chap!
Toodle-pip
Sounds like a scam. but if you were infamous in any way I would have heard of you by now, which account do i send the isk to.
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Captain Thunk
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.07 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/04/2009 13:33:05
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
Who are you?
The person you owe your 100m goonfleet fees for April too. Send the isk over when you logon otherwise your section commander will have you humping roids for the next six weeks. Hop to it old chap!
Toodle-pip
Jade Scamstantine in Eve-O forum shocker!
Shame you're not in kenzuko though, bet Clarity Brown could have managed a 2 page article out of that lil' nugget
Captain Thunk
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.04.07 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zell Shadowcast ... which account do i send the isk to.
Jade Constantine will do. Mark the isk transfer "april fees".
Jolly good.
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Etien Aldragoran
Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.07 13:51:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Are they really still complaining about getting no news coverage for camping an empty station?
*two of the biggest capital fights in months happen in one day*
*IC writes up about how RKK isn't dead and it's just changing names despite membership graphs on dotlan*
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Zell Shadowcast
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.07 13:57:00 -
[361]
Originally by: Etien Aldragoran
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Are they really still complaining about getting no news coverage for camping an empty station?
*two of the biggest capital fights in months happen in one day*
*IC writes up about how RKK isn't dead and it's just changing names despite membership graphs on dotlan*
Pro-BoB propaganda over shadowing a hundred capital losses in a single day in two parts of eve, why I never.
Also whoever that guy is...i think a "Jade something" I'm not givin u isk bro, i don't like the cut of your jib.
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Yarik Mendel
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.07 14:03:00 -
[362]
Originally by: Etien Aldragoran
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Are they really still complaining about getting no news coverage for camping an empty station?
*two of the biggest capital fights in months happen in one day*
*IC writes up about how RKK isn't dead and it's just changing names despite membership graphs on dotlan*
I must ask, did you send in a battle report article for them to publish?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.04.07 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zell Shadowcast I'm not givin u isk bro, i don't like the cut of your jib.
Bah goons, I thought the one thing you guys were good at was following orders
Disappointing!
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Talzaris
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.07 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Talzaris on 07/04/2009 14:31:24
Originally by: Jade Constantine I thought the one thing you guys were good at was following orders
More proof that you don't know ****. Goons are terrible at following orders.
Originally by: Yarik Mendel I must ask, did you send in a battle report article for them to publish?
Do they think that copy and pasting any ******ed story that gets tossed in front of them counts as reporting?
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Captain Thunk
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.07 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Yarik Mendel I must ask, did you send in a battle report article for them to publish?
I don't think many people actually care. It's just rather amusing the same clunk, Clarity Brown, produces these articles about obscure aspects of Kenzoku that for whatever reason he thinks people will be interested in. Despite being called out about it, he continues oblivious which just makes it better.
As his purpose is to both entertain and get people who wouldn't normally read these articles, to read them he's probably the most successful ISD reporter, even though it's for all the wrong reasons. I, for one cannot name any of the others.
I'm looking forward to his next article, I doubt it'll be about something stupid like the Finfleet jump freighter who x'd in local and was gang warped to a hostile pos, but maybe something like the interesting adventures of a Kenzoku small roaming gang. Just needs Kenzoku to A) Make a small roaming gang and B) Kill something. If I see one, which I doubt, then I will certainly inform Hilarity Brown and suggest the gang pilots be interviewed.
Captain Thunk
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DaiTengu
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.08 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Are they really still complaining about getting no news coverage for camping an empty station?
look at you, you get coverage for pretending to be a space hooker who bought a titan that he/she never uses.
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KeratinBoy
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.08 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Are they really still complaining about getting no news coverage for camping an empty station?
There's at least one more thread you can be wrong in, y'know. It's started by Molle and is p funny.
On the other hand, you not having anything to do with 0.0, it's easy to get things about it wrong, e.g., your proposed changes to 0.0 and such.
Being a denizen of 0.0 myself, I can assure you that once the bubbles around the station were taken down, a bunch of Kenny caps exited and cyno'd out in a fairly constant stream. Hopefully, you can read this past Molle's belt buckle.
P.S. Are you jealous of llondon?
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Kirith Kodachi
Caldari m3 Corp BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Blazde Edited by: Blazde on 19/03/2009 06:42:40 Btw what did happen to Zarch and his Null Sec Wars summaries?
Originally by: Zarch Can someone reply to this post and say that I've stopped playing for RL reasons but we are working on making sure they continue in my absence. :)
Done. :)
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CCP Mitnal
Minmatar C C P
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Posted - 2009.04.15 19:40:00 -
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