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Two Beans
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Two Beans on 19/03/2009 10:45:23
I see the make-believe transvestite internet man-w***e is posting again. Tell me, what news has Star Tractor or whatever the hell you call it made recently? _____________ His Royal Highness King Two Beans King of CAOD
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Vuk Lau
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Thus far the CSM has had 18 players who have visited CCP headquarters in Iceland and met these guys face to face and come away with the strong impression that they were doing a good job and were running this game in a fair and balanced fashion.
1st there is less then 18 players cause few are in CSM for the 2nd time. :D 2nd as long as I really bow to CCP for making EVE such a outstanding experience, I highly disagree with certain politics/policies of CCP which I stated on this forums in several occasions and to them personaly aswell.
I would be a hypocrit aswell if I dont point that they are improving a lot (I was amazed with CCP approach and way they handled POS exploit issue) but they still suck bigtime in certain subjects. But at the end thats why CSM exists.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.19 11:34:00 -
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camping a station is such a epic thing to do
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Al'Htaed
Minmatar Hug Nutz
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn camping a station is such a epic thing to do
You mean, taking two regions while defender is camped in a station unable to defend their towers? Much more epic then undocking from the said station which got reported.
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Shikome Alluin
Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Shikome Alluin on 19/03/2009 12:17:13
Originally by: Jade Constantine faith in people doing a decent job
Nothing wrong in having faith in people, but sometimes it is proper to question the questionable actions of said people.
Originally by: Jade Constantine I've met these people and I'm telling you
You, as in "the Jade Constantine" have met these people and insure us "everything is above board". But you as "the Jade Constantine" is an outspoken anti-Goonswarm member, thus this can and should be taken as spin. (not that you met, but that it is above board)
Originally by: Jade Constantine believe its all some terrible conspiracy against the goons
The conspiracy theory is not against Goonswarm, it¦s that ISD¦s news reports in favour of the GBC (GkC).
Originally by: Jade Constantine The reality is simply that you haven't submitted your news leads properly. Everyone else in the game has to use this mechanism
Yea, because ISD only works of submitted news leads...
If you feel any of this is incorrect, please feel free to write allot of your well formatted words in response: - Aloha mr Hand |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:05:00 -
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I think hell has just frozen over - I find myself both in agreement with Jade Constantine and in disagreement with a CVA member.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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ISD Serathu Ashk
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:34:00 -
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I just need to make a small point here; The Interstellar Correspondents (IC) is a division of ISD, an organisation that has four other divisions that have nothing to do with writing player news.
If you are unhappy with the player news, please direct your complaint at IC, not at ISD as a whole - the volunteers in other divisions shouldn't be brought into this as their work is unrelated.
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Shikome Alluin
Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake I think hell has just frozen over - I find myself both in agreement with Jade Constantine and in disagreement with a CVA member.
How so? I am not posting in a capacity of CVA nor Genco. I just think Jade is spinning (although beautifully) just as fast as Goons. And I personally think the henceforth named "IC" is favourable towards the GkC, be it intentional or bad luck ;)
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Totally Slick on 19/03/2009 16:38:06
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk I just need to make a small point here; The Interstellar Correspondents (IC) is a division of ISD, an organisation that has four other divisions that have nothing to do with writing player news.
If you are unhappy with the player news, please direct your complaint at IC, not at ISD as a whole - the volunteers in other divisions shouldn't be brought into this as their work is unrelated.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Totally Slick Edited by: Totally Slick on 19/03/2009 16:38:06
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk I just need to make a small point here; The Interstellar Correspondents (IC) is a division of ISD, an organisation that has four other divisions that have nothing to do with writing player news.
If you are unhappy with the player news, please direct your complaint at IC, not at ISD as a whole - the volunteers in other divisions shouldn't be brought into this as their work is unrelated.
Are you saying that ISD isn't taking responsibility for this?
ISD is larger than just the IC. It also includes the guys who moderate the rookie help channel. You taking them to task for being biased too?
Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis |
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Darth Syphils
Amarr Noshikkan Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.03.19 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cal Hydar CAPS SO MAYBE SOMEONE WILL READ THE LINK
Quote: The War so Far
The war began when the CONCORD-registered Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded by a director, Arkannen, who defected to the alliance's enemy, GoonSwarm.
The member corporations of Band of Brothers reformed in KenZoku, previously an industrial alliance for Reikoku-affilliated corporations. Their previous Province and Capital sovereignties in the region were lost, but KenZoku was able to make a territorial sovereignty claim to systems formerly claimed under the Band of Brothers identity.
KenZoku's old enemies - GoonSwarm, Pandemic Legion and the Northern Coalition's RAZOR Alliance and Morsus Mihi - launched a full-scale invasion of the region, intending to conquer it before full sovereignty over the area could be restored.
The forces allied against KenZoku have attempted to confine most of the defender's forces into a Blood Raider Covenant station in PR-8CA and maintain a continual heavy guard in the system, while the rest of the attacking forces focus on removing the defending alliance's control towers.
Meanwhile, KenZoku's allies Against ALL Authorities are attacking the former home territories of GoonSwarm alongside C0ven and Stain Empire. GoonSwarm state that they have abandoned these systems for the time being and, it is claimed, will reconquer them once Delve has fallen.
To date, KenZoku has lost its sovereignty claims in 44 systems, though it then reclaimed two, while sufficient towers have survived to claim Protectorate sovereignty in some 70 systems in Catch, Delve, Querious, Detorid and Period Basis.
Quote: Dining in NOL
In particular, the outpost in NOL-M9 has assumed a symbolic importance in the conflict. It is widely rumoured that Goonswarm once vowed to dine in NOL-M9, the site of Band of Brother's outpost, The Alamo. (Ownership of the outpost passed to KenZoku and is currently with Pandemic Legion, who renamed it "The Lmao.")
XxAngelxX is CEO of The Illuminati, a Pandemic Legion corporation spoke about the conquest:
"We took it the first day that [sovereignty] dropped, then [KenZoku] retook it but we expect to have it back in about a week. We've had more important things to do than NOL-M9 recently.
"Pandemic Legion itself has / is in the process of taking FinFleet's sovereignty 4 constellation. We took the first station today in 5-6QW7. As for other sovereignty 4 constellations, I believe [GoonSwarm] and [the Northern Coalition] are well on their way with those too."
Since this interview, Pandemic Legion has completed both these objectives, holding both NOL-M9 and the 1-A81R constellation. XxAngelxX continued:
"There really has been little resistance. One of the major parts of this has been the 23/7 perma camp in PR-8CA which was well known to be [KenZoku's]... staging [area] and where they told GBC to regroup to, too.
"With their assets and ships locked in station, titans [caged] in their POS and massive issues with security, we haven't really seen much fight from them in the last couple of days. We've destroyed [approximately] 50 large POS in station systems in the last 2 days without resistance.
"At the moment, it's hardly a war. We'll see if [KenZoku] actually have a strategic plan after [Against ALL Authorities] finish with [the] old [GoonSwarm] space, but right now we are taking this space like no-one ever lived in it....the only battles we have had are ganking Shrike, ganking Waagaa's aeon and ganking an [Axiom Empire] aeon last night."
ISD has earned a rep in the past for being bias, but honestly, they have covered this all fairly well. You can't honestly expect ISD to document EVERY POS you take down. They hit the important stuff, so get off their back.
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cpu939
Gallente OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2009.03.19 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Totally Slick Edited by: Totally Slick on 19/03/2009 16:38:06
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk I just need to make a small point here; The Interstellar Correspondents (IC) is a division of ISD, an organisation that has four other divisions that have nothing to do with writing player news.
If you are unhappy with the player news, please direct your complaint at IC, not at ISD as a whole - the volunteers in other divisions shouldn't be brought into this as their work is unrelated.
Are you saying that ISD isn't taking responsibility for this?
ISD is larger than just the IC. It also includes the guys who moderate the rookie help channel. You taking them to task for being biased too?
ican just see it now
rookie - so what the best thing to do in this game moderate - kill goonswarm they are the evil of teh game and you must side on the right path and join forces with kenzoku rookie - why are they evil moderate - cos we say so
but really the guys that moderate the rookie chat do a great job and we should be thankful to them, for they have to reply to the same questions day after day and stops us getting it day after day. 01101111 01100110 01100110 01100010 01100101 01100001 01110100 00100000 01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 |
Palmer Eldritch
Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 19/03/2009 22:03:56
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I think you are on pretty rocky ground here goonswarm. Since in the eyes of many Eve players your current "squatting" on the Band of Brothers corp name for the purpose of blocking the re-creation of an established player alliance name is something that certainly looks like a breach of the rules and the fact that CCP haven't already forcibly renamed the goonswarm "band of brothers alt corp" to "corporation 112113131331" looks as much as anything like a biased position in your favour...
It is ridiculous that corporation naming can block alliance naming in the first place - but wilfully doing this to cause grief and upset by denying an existing player entity its established in-game identity is something that many consider beyond the pale of reasonable gameplay. By this deed goonswarm directors displayed their intention to remove history from the game and exploit poor game mechanics to do it.
Got to say if I was still on the CSM I'd be for bringing this matter up to CCP as a matter of principle, since I think failing to rectify this situation when there is a past record of impersonation characters and entities being removed is poor form.
What?
If you don't think the CSMs are doing their job properly, stand for election and contribute yourself.
Coming here and slagging off the CSMs . . . goddam.
They're volunteers and they do what they do for no reward. I'm not saying they're perfect, but who is?
It's about having a bit of respect for your fellow players, Jade. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point |
Jonis Sinmaker
Amarr Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.19 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/03/2009 04:06:18
Originally by: Mo adib ... and my response was that just because goons are trying to delegitimize an organization ...
And you think its acceptable for players of an online game to attack the legitimacy of the organizer's official news source and make unfounded accusations of "bias" because that special group of players feel they haven't received enough spontaneous praise?
Really?
Whatever happened to respecting the referee and having a bit of faith in people doing a decent job.
Thus far the CSM has had 18 players who have visited CCP headquarters in Iceland and met these guys face to face and come away with the strong impression that they were doing a good job and were running this game in a fair and balanced fashion.
I've met these people and I'm telling you that things are open and above board and I've told you on this very thread exactly how you can get news pieces published.
And yet you'd still rather believe its all some terrible conspiracy against the goons and yet again you are the slighted party because absolutely everything hasn't gone precisely your own way.
The reality is simply that you haven't submitted your news leads properly. Everyone else in the game has to use this mechanism - just expecting ISD to do the work for you and making goonswarm a special case is your problem not CCP's.
It must be close to CSM election ... go team go. I'm voting for pedro...less rhetoric and more factual evidence with his campaigns. -------- Semper Fi, Jonis Sinmaker
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Kaaii
Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Venomire
Originally by: Jade Constantine The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda...
How are we bad a public relations when we have 99% of EVE napped?
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At a circus, nobody would boo the clown...
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
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Lunas Feelgood
Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Venomire
Originally by: Jade Constantine The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda...
How are we bad a public relations when we have 99% of EVE napped?
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At a circus, nobody would boo the clown...
Thats not correct I have been booing bob since like forever
Originally by: Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history
Originally by: BOB
"I played EVE for 5 years and all I got left is crappy forum alts"..
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Gefex
Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.20 00:09:00 -
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I too found the quality of the news to be pretty distasteful.
BOB DISBANDED! ... ... ... BOB FIGHTS BACK!!
Hardly impartial
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.20 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 20/03/2009 00:27:14
Originally by: Gefex I too found the quality of the news to be pretty distasteful.
BOB DISBANDED! ... ... ... BOB FIGHTS BACK!!
Hardly impartial
Well it's not really BOB (or Kenny) fighting back, so they got that bit wrong.
Expecting news report from ISD as to how Kenny killed 1 POS after one week of fighting. (again not really Kenny, but the meat shield)
Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
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Berneh
Gallente Freelance Economics Astrological resources SIRRIUS.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 03:54:00 -
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I dont mean to sound like an ars3 but did the ec- camp make headlines when ascn and bob locked it down and took the outpost ?
i was in ascn at the time but dont remember, if it did (when we held the system for a weekend as far i remember) shouldnt the month long siege of that delve system been reported too because it was well a month ?
i'm not biased and totally impartial, just saying thats all.
ps woop Berneh is back o/
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Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii At a circus, nobody would boo the clown...
Never been to Philly have you? Hell son, we boo Santa.
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Easley Thames
Gallente The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.20 07:46:00 -
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My experience with ISD is that the reporters often contact the people they know in-game and get too drawn into writing about the alliances where they have pre-existing contacts. I experienced this phenomenon in IAC.
I remember 2 relatively minor and 1 justifiably news-worthy IAC-related events being documented by ISD when a certain person was being contacted routinely by ISD for quotes and status updates. After this individual left the alliance, despite larger developments (including the collapse of what was a well-known sov-holding alliance pre-dating BoB) there was suddenly nothing to report on in Catch.
However, this could all be due to a shortage of volunteers, a problem shared by non-official eve journalists. I've noticed that Eve Tribune, as an example, seems to have a lack of diversity in its coverage as well, although they do actually report on the front-page, earth-shattering events when at times ISD seems to be playing a different game entirely. Part of ISD's problem is that it has to report on fictional in-game stories for "flavor" and roleplay-fodder, but there also seems to be a sense of disconnection at times. It would be interesting to go back and compare ISD reports to the biggest events of 2008.
Let me say that I really enjoy the tribune, so please don't take offense. I also don't have major problems with ISD, though I would like to see more real-game-event coverage and less fiction, much the way Eve TV focused on players / events.
My thanks to those who do quality reporting. We do need more of you though.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Easley Thames
However, this could all be due to a shortage of volunteers, a problem shared by non-official eve journalists. I've noticed that Eve Tribune, as an example, seems to have a lack of diversity in its coverage as well, although they do actually report on the front-page, earth-shattering events when at times ISD seems to be playing a different game entirely. Part of ISD's problem is that it has to report on fictional in-game stories for "flavor" and roleplay-fodder, but there also seems to be a sense of disconnection at times. It would be interesting to go back and compare ISD reports to the biggest events of 2008.
I'm pretty sure that it's a different division of ISD that's behind the PF stories.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.20 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Blazde on 20/03/2009 10:42:44 Unless I'm horribly mistaken the NPC fiction is done by paid CCP employees. It does feel like there's a big disconnection between the two. Mainly that'll be because the two worlds are inherently different. One has to be kept relatively stable, while the other frequently sees unpredictable drama and chaos, big entities and entire regions toppling overnight. They have to be very carefully polluting the former with the latter.
But maybe it is time they professionalised the alliance/player news too, just as forum moderation was in the end to (I assume) remove the unavoidable bias. There could still be a place for volunteers but with CCP employees acting as editors, improving the quality up towards the standards the fiction enjoys, making up the manpower shortage and making sure the reporting was more balanced. Pay someone and they're a lot less likely to express their ingame bias and lot more likely to express their bias for putting food on their family's table.
It always bothers a bit too that alliance news is buried at the bottom of the news webpage page underneath piles of NPC news, even though the alliance news tends to be more dramatic and is (imo) are more important aspect of the game to show off. Granted it's on the character selection screen too, but I never wait for that to load (I always seem to be busy logging in at the time!). Other MMOGs have fiction and while EVE's certainly rocks a lot of depth it's not exactly the game's unique selling point. Alliance news could be, if it was finally able to climb out of the pit it always seems to have been stuck in. _
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Major Buttache
Amarr Coded Arms Coded Arms Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.20 10:46:00 -
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Whats that 'law' that states that in any interwebz thread where one protagonist mentions Hilter/****s he loses his argument by default (or some such)?
Perhaps we should create a new 'law' stating that any thread that Jade joins in suddenly becomes terminally boring?
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.20 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 20/03/2009 10:53:26 That would be Godwin's Law -
"In a Usenet discussion, the probability of comparison with the ****s proportionally increases with the length of the discussion."
Or, N=KL, where N and K >= 1 and L is a positive integer. N is probability of comparison, K is the Forum Quality Variable and L is the length of the thread. ________________________________________________
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.03.20 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin stuff
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Brobuck
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Funny change from the pretty obvious pro-NC crap that was spouted from ISD when we were up north. :)
Funny in that somehow an alliance (anime is cartoons) that holds no outposts somehow qualifies as a newsmaker?
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Brobuck
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.20 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel CCP does not protect idiots , or else then every person who got scammed should file for a full refund . Deal with it .
Then I guess its fair to say that CCP does not protect Goonswarm from being pretty poor at propaganda and failing to submit appropriate news leads either right?
Deal with it.
I think the difference is access. Everyone in game has the ability to scam or be scammed. Everyone has the same access to the metagame. Only CCP can name ISD leadership, who can then approve or deny applications to the reporter ranks. If the leadership of ISD has a bias, they accept biased reporters, who then write biased articles, which is a tool of propaganda available only to one side of the conflict, enabled by the game developers. Are you being deliberately obtuse?
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Siobhan
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.20 14:27:00 -
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Just to clarify Siobhan is Hardin's PvP account (Hardin is in a newly created alliance at the moment so can't post as Hardin on CAOD atm)
I can understand why Goons feel aggrieved at a perceived inbalance of ingame 'news' reporting at present but I would argue that this does not result from any inbuilt bias either against them or pro-BoB but has more to do with resourcing of ISD. I would also suggest that Goons don't do themselves any favours.
How so?
Well I know from experience that ISD reporters do use CAOD and other forums as a source of information. While CVA and other alliances will often make 'formal/official' alliance announcements it's never easy to tell when Goons are making some kind of official statement because so many of you are clogging up the channels with spoof announcements all the time.
I have to admit I can only name four Goons off the top of my head (Darius, Mittens, Bane & Guomindong). The sheer quantity and number of your posters means that it is often hard to identify who is actually a decent 'source' and who is just another member doing their CAOD thing.
The problem is your forum 'bombard' actually makes it really hard for ISD (or anyone) to identify who they can speak to in your organisation to get a relatively 'objective/official' line.
I (Siobhan/Hardin) have been interviewed by ISD on several occasions (primarily due to either an 'official CVA post' or a CVA response to someone else's 'official post') and while you can sometimes detect a bias in their initial angle this is primarily because the story has usually been initiated by a biased source.
Nevertheless the reporters do give both sides the opportunity to comment and if they haven't done this for Goons then I think this may be down to confusion as to who Goon's official spokespeople are...
Also, I am surprised that Goons are actually sensitive about ingame news anyway - particularly as they have been doing such a good job dominating out of game news -------------- Avenging Angel -------------- |
Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2009.03.20 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Siobhan Stuff
I don't think insinuating that the ISD is incompetent is really any better than insinuating they're biased. And for your particular analogy, you're setting up a straw man by picking goonswarm. With the example of the NC, or RAWR in particular, Blazde is pretty much the only consistent poster for a reason: he's also a lead diplomat. Ironically, the next most active person in RAWR is, *surprise* Orree, another diplomat. More to the point, there's plenty of contact information in the alliance info tab.
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